**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 22 02:59:56 2007 May 22 03:02:20 anyone know why pupnik is MIA May 22 03:02:36 i would really like to know the progress of POSE May 22 03:03:26 guess he's over #maemo....Pupnik come back....come back to the light... May 22 03:53:51 maemo.org gone again...? May 22 04:02:21 hey. someone say my name. I'm testing out irssi and I want to see if the bell is audible in terminal. May 22 04:02:40 trevarthan - boing May 22 04:03:19 --srcdir= doesn't seem to want to work for me.. May 22 04:06:24 Milhouse2: I didn't hear anything... May 22 04:20:37 pd May 22 04:35:54 ok ok. how do I get an audible bell in maemo xterm? May 22 04:37:28 ok ok. how do I get an audible bell in maemo xterm? May 22 04:43:09 <`0660> you want bells and whistless? :) May 22 04:49:03 nah. just the bell. ;) May 22 04:57:51 Milhouse2: seems to be working fine for me right now. May 22 05:06:16 philip - sorry missed you. over here (UK) i'm getting a ZoneEdit DNS expiration page May 22 05:08:05 hmnmm scratch that, seems to be working ok in IE but FF still gives me the zoneedit error, must be a caching issue May 22 05:10:19 i'm using a squid proxy for Firefox and that appears to be caching the old ZoneEdit page which I first started getting last night (21 May)... the squid cache will probably expire in a few more hours. sorry for the false alarm May 22 05:17:12 exit May 22 05:38:26 k, good news May 22 05:38:53 the guys at gimp were right for getting on me about compiling gimp 2.0.2 May 22 05:39:17 compiled 2.2.10 in scratchbox. May 22 05:39:31 for the devs.... May 22 05:39:52 what flags can i use for optimizing for arm. May 22 05:40:00 would be helpful... May 22 05:40:01 very May 22 06:04:10 Hi to all ... May 22 06:04:31 Hi mk8 May 22 06:04:59 Hi Yaco2 May 22 06:05:13 how are you? May 22 06:05:38 Fine, thanks. And you? May 22 06:06:18 fine fine May 22 06:06:22 where are you from? May 22 06:06:40 Florence - Italy, and you? May 22 06:06:59 Buenos Aires, Argentina May 22 06:07:11 Batistuta...? May 22 06:07:13 :-D May 22 06:07:16 :D May 22 06:07:38 So, what do you do? job? May 22 06:09:38 Yes. In this moment I write a program for a customer of mine ... Is the second project that I do for It .... Is a not too big fashion company May 22 06:09:56 oh May 22 06:10:02 you are a programmer May 22 06:10:11 yes May 22 06:10:14 you do free software? May 22 06:10:58 when tha work is fisinsh ... sometimes ... with 3 child I haven't much time ... :) May 22 06:12:09 few day ago I release a game for N770/800 ... at this address ... http://code.google.com/p/monkeysmemory-n800/ May 22 06:12:36 let me see May 22 06:12:42 but the wiki page is empty .... shortly I insert the alredy done screenshot ... May 22 06:12:48 Hi May 22 06:13:09 hi keesj May 22 06:13:11 now I push to have the SQLite binding for mono May 22 06:13:23 you port mono? May 22 06:14:32 No ... I not made the port .... I simpy test it .. :) ... May 22 06:15:22 oh May 22 06:15:43 so, what uses do give to our nokia? May 22 06:15:48 *your nokia May 22 06:16:54 hey May 22 06:16:58 question May 22 06:17:33 any usefull flaags i can use while compiling something for the n800 May 22 06:17:59 I use it as PDA, to read PDF, an to test to write software. I must realise an application to a customer and It let me free to make the choiche of which PDA. So my choiche is N800 ... and I want to write the code using mono May 22 06:18:00 to optimize performance maybe May 22 06:20:00 do you know if its possible to emulate symbian? May 22 06:20:31 Sorry, I don't know ... May 22 06:42:54 unique311: -mcpu=arm1136j-s and -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp if you want to use the FPU for floating point May 22 06:43:11 thanks... May 22 06:47:12 a question. I want realize an application that discovery from itself other application instance running on other device o PC. There is a meccanism like uPnp or zeroconfig inside N800 and where is the documentation? May 22 06:47:22 Thank's ... sorry for my english ... :( May 22 06:48:06 the n800 is a upnp client May 22 06:48:29 I guess you can install gmediaserver or similar to share files May 22 06:49:26 keesj: I want write the application ... so I need something like a API with documentation ... :) May 22 06:49:52 the n800 uses libupnp May 22 06:51:02 ok keesj ... thanks May 22 06:51:04 the "norma;" apps use the gnome virtual filesystem May 22 06:51:20 they are not aware of the underlaying protoloc May 22 06:52:16 I guess that I you want to play with it you can probabely do things with dbus to listen to different evetns May 22 06:52:29 so I must read the documentation about the Gnome Virtaul Filesystem? But it work if I want realize an interactive application that need to send data to the other application soon as possbile? May 22 06:52:39 I don't know GVF May 22 06:53:24 mk8 me neither, I am just pretending to know what I am talking about May 22 06:56:47 keesj: ... not understand .. :( ... my english is too bad ... May 22 06:57:26 I try to bad joke :p May 22 06:57:47 what is your native language? May 22 06:58:00 Italian ... :( May 22 06:59:42 keesj: I try to read somithing of GVF but seems to be something to extend the datatype supported by normal Gnome Application, so I suppose that the libupnp is the right solution ... May 22 07:00:57 it can be use to notify to other device or PC the existence of a running "service" (my application)? Or only as a client (you write that n800 is a upnp client)? May 22 07:02:02 I don't know May 22 07:02:20 ok, thanks May 22 08:00:36 mk8 May 22 08:01:10 Hi unique311 May 22 08:01:12 http://gnupoc.sourceforge.net/ symbian sdk for unix May 22 08:01:16 is possible May 22 08:01:34 to run symbian May 22 08:01:41 :) May 22 08:01:55 Pupnik got POSE running... May 22 08:02:06 and i did a nice job with basiliskII May 22 08:03:35 its the tools section i'm worried about May 22 08:03:48 check out the screenshots towards the bottom of the page May 22 08:05:29 http://www.koeniglich.de/sdk2unix/symbian_sdk_on_unix.html heres another link May 22 08:07:00 Morning, all May 22 08:08:46 hello May 22 08:19:14 good morning people May 22 08:20:07 good morning May 22 08:20:21 good morning May 22 08:22:22 k, 2.2.15 crashes on splash screen May 22 08:22:40 guess not enough memory May 22 08:23:12 well 2.2.10 started up nice guess i'll go back to that one. May 22 08:30:35 good morning May 22 08:37:47 Aloha! May 22 08:38:21 well May 22 08:38:35 i just got my hopes downed again May 22 08:41:52 unique311: wassup? May 22 08:45:15 nada May 22 08:45:31 getting some advice from #gimp May 22 08:46:28 unique311: we are a bunch of desillusionists. :) May 22 08:47:26 nomis May 22 08:47:32 are you on #gimp May 22 08:47:40 let me guess neo? May 22 08:48:55 unique311: no, I am nomis in #gimp as well. May 22 08:49:09 k May 22 08:49:33 i don't think there's any fate in compiling gimp for n800 May 22 08:49:38 anywhere May 22 08:50:39 I asked the pixel creator to compile pixel for the maemo platform http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12 May 22 08:51:05 unique311: there are two problems: Memory consumption (gimp is pretty wasteful with it - just loading a single jpeg uses twice the amount of raw image data), plus the multiple-window gui, which will be a challenge to get right on the tablets. May 22 08:52:06 unique311: You have seen this one, right? http://net9.blogspot.com/2007/04/gimp-running-on-n800.html May 22 08:52:16 it opens up the multiple windows May 22 08:52:40 thats my video X-fade May 22 08:52:45 i compiled 2.0.2 May 22 08:53:04 perhas a first start could be to just test what happens when you using it from remote (ssh+x forwarding enabled? May 22 08:53:06 i just got 2.2.10 compile May 22 08:53:16 Ah ;) I think pupnik did that? May 22 08:54:59 no May 22 08:55:14 i wrote his name on it...cause he asked if airbrush work.. May 22 08:55:22 he is suppose to be working on it also.. May 22 08:55:36 but i think he is going more for mtpaint... May 22 08:55:41 Ah ;) May 22 08:56:36 Well gimp has always been 'different' gui-wise. Are you going to hildonize it? May 22 08:57:56 thats was my first problem with it.. May 22 08:58:15 I cannot hildon... May 22 08:58:20 well i probably can... May 22 08:58:33 but i suck at code May 22 08:58:35 script May 22 08:58:41 whatever you want to call it May 22 08:58:58 also compiled mtpaint.. May 22 08:59:02 * nomis suspects that hildonizing gimp will not be easy. May 22 09:00:12 i was thinking get a nice working compile version working....and contact the nokia devs, and let them have a shot at it... May 22 09:00:36 yep, gimp uses multiple separate windows.. it needs a lot of ui work to be usable on maemo May 22 09:00:49 in fact I share neos concerns that it is kind of pointless to try to make gimp usable on the tablets. There are a few things that need to be reorganized. May 22 09:01:29 especially in the UI, we need someone to implement the proposal for dockables being able to be docked inside the image window. May 22 09:02:37 ram..is what i'm worried about... May 22 09:02:47 1GB at least neo....said May 22 09:03:03 thats not good for n800 or 770 May 22 09:04:17 actually it would probably make more sense to evaluate, what people actually expect from an image manipulation program on a tablet and then try to implement something e.g. GEGL based. May 22 09:04:58 tools.... May 22 09:05:11 i think for the most part... May 22 09:05:25 unique311: what tools? May 22 09:06:59 good morning :) May 22 09:08:00 good morning May 22 09:08:03 crop & resize May 22 09:08:17 smudge May 22 09:08:22 dodge/burn May 22 09:08:36 airbrush May 22 09:09:01 eraser not necessarily May 22 09:09:08 blend is nice May 22 09:10:04 theirs a bunch May 22 09:12:53 can you help me?, i must start the n800 with X server but without matchbox :( May 22 09:13:09 ^ i need wlan for ssh :) May 22 12:10:55 i need help please May 22 12:11:00 i need to link to a static library May 22 12:11:05 i have 2 builds for this library May 22 12:11:17 1 build for arm which is in somewhere/bin/arm May 22 12:11:27 1 build for x86 which is in somewhere/bin/x86 May 22 12:11:46 what do i need to do in Makefile.am so that it links to the correct library May 22 12:55:18 hi folks. who can tell me how to get iwconfig gets running on n800 ??? May 22 13:13:40 Hi to all May 22 13:15:51 djude: install wireless tools May 22 13:40:04 Hi to all ... I found the libgupnp library into N800 ...Can anyone give me a link about the library documentation? May 22 13:40:34 hi ppl May 22 13:41:12 does anyone know where to get gcc 3.2 for the N800 ??? i only found gcc 3.4 on repository.maemo.org May 22 13:42:19 Why do you need 3.2? May 22 13:44:13 acapela mobility (from www.acapela-group.com) runs on: May 22 13:44:23 OS Supported: Linux X86: gcc 3.2 / 3.3, Linux ARM : 2.95 / 3.2 Processors Supported: Arm/Xscale processors, X86 processors May 22 13:45:24 I don't see any code May 22 13:45:30 [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/acap/nscapi/Sample/test] > make May 22 13:45:45 i get a few warnings (my libs are newer then theirs) May 22 13:45:50 and then i get: May 22 13:46:01 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: ERROR: Source object ../../lib/libnscube.so has EABI version 0, but target test has EABI version 4 May 22 13:46:26 hi! May 22 13:46:29 hi there May 22 13:47:16 koen, eabi, your pet topic May 22 13:47:35 has anybody a rootfs for the n800 what only starts the X-Server? May 22 13:48:03 is koen away? May 22 13:49:02 Synt1: No idea. I don't know whether you can force ld to ignore the error, but if you try compiling with a different toolchain because you can't, you'll probably need to link everything statically against a different libc too May 22 13:49:11 @DaddyCool: ROT13[[ Nhs qrf Syrvfpuunhref Fpuvyq jne qre Nofgnaq mjvfpura ""Xäfr"" haq ""haq"" haq ""haq"" haq ""Jhefg"" mh xyrva trengra. ]] May 22 13:49:24 synt1? May 22 13:49:45 ah ... rot 13 May 22 13:50:35 synt1? what do you meen? May 22 13:50:51 :) May 22 13:51:05 Auf des Fleischhauers Schild war der Abstand zwischen ""Käse"" und ""und"" und ""und"" und ""Wurst"" zu klein geraten. May 22 13:51:23 what is the exact problem when i get the 'EABI' error?? May 22 13:52:13 Some bg: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort May 22 13:54:10 les demission faut pas se faire chier May 22 13:54:14 oups, sorry May 22 13:54:24 thy@lardman - gonna read that one ;) May 22 13:55:11 sameo: thanks I thought so. but can you tell me where I can find a package for armel? May 22 14:01:51 do you think it would be possible to compile maemo for x86? May 22 14:05:56 ryan, isn't it already done? May 22 14:06:03 i don't know. May 22 14:06:30 ryan, if you look closely, you will see that repository.maemo.org contains both armel and i386 debs May 22 14:07:25 ah, May 22 14:07:27 Does xchat not support fullscreen, or is it just me? May 22 14:07:30 ryan, getting it running nicely (== without scratchbox) might be a different issue May 22 14:07:39 because maemo would make the perfect carPC solution May 22 14:07:45 it is designed for a touchscreen from the ground up May 22 14:08:14 trevarthan: worksforme May 22 14:09:53 @lardman: wiki.debian...EabiPort describes what eabi is - but does not touch my problem (compile error 'wrong eabi ver') May 22 14:09:53 who could answer me this one!? May 22 14:10:08 ?? koen ?? May 22 14:10:41 I assume there are differences between the eabi versions May 22 14:10:49 and that these differences are incompatible May 22 14:11:08 just what the incompatibilities are, or whether you could work around them, I don't know May 22 14:11:15 eabi version 0 sounds like no eabi May 22 14:11:35 yes, that's what I was thinking May 22 14:11:38 exactly my suspects... May 22 14:11:56 so i do(!) need gcc3.2 ?? May 22 14:12:10 because the .so's need it?! May 22 14:12:21 can't you get the source of the libs? May 22 14:12:30 no - that's the prob May 22 14:14:07 Couldn't you use flite? May 22 14:14:38 I assume that's the libs you want to use do speech generation May 22 14:14:59 maybe i do sth. wrong - does anyone want to try to compile it?? May 22 14:16:25 do anyone know where I can get wireless-tools.deb for n800? May 22 14:17:24 maybe on http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/wireless-tools_28-1.osso1_armel.deb May 22 14:17:45 and on http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/wireless-tools_28-1.osso1_i386.deb May 22 14:17:56 okay thank you synt1 May 22 14:18:03 np May 22 14:19:08 Synt1: What does readelf show the Flags for the binary being? May 22 14:20:06 Because if it requires fpa floating point, you'll need a different kernel too May 22 14:20:07 [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/acap/nscapi/lib] > file libbabile.so May 22 14:20:10 reports May 22 14:20:32 libbabile.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (ARM), not stripped May 22 14:21:35 how to use readelf? May 22 14:21:46 readelf -a spits out a bit much May 22 14:21:53 readelf -h binary_name May 22 14:21:58 pastebin it May 22 14:22:00 eabi version 0 can also be caused by wrong linker scripts May 22 14:22:26 attention... big paste: May 22 14:22:28 ELF Header: May 22 14:22:28 Magic: 7f 45 4c 46 01 01 01 61 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 May 22 14:22:28 Class: ELF32 May 22 14:22:28 Data: 2's complement, little endian May 22 14:22:28 Version: 1 (current) May 22 14:22:28 OS/ABI: ARM May 22 14:22:30 ABI Version: 0 May 22 14:22:32 Type: DYN (Shared object file) May 22 14:22:34 Machine: ARM May 22 14:22:36 Version: 0x1 May 22 14:22:38 Entry point address: 0xf73c May 22 14:22:40 Start of program headers: 52 (bytes into file) May 22 14:22:42 Start of section headers: 870764 (bytes into file) May 22 14:22:44 Flags: 0x202, has entry point, GNU EABI, software FP May 22 14:22:46 Size of this header: 52 (bytes) May 22 14:22:48 Size of program headers: 32 (bytes) May 22 14:22:50 Number of program headers: 3 May 22 14:22:52 Size of section headers: 40 (bytes) May 22 14:22:54 Number of section headers: 31 May 22 14:22:56 Section header string table index: 28 May 22 14:22:58 for the 'main' .so file May 22 14:23:05 ok May 22 14:23:06 enough May 22 14:23:07 pastebin is your friend :) May 22 14:23:10 pastebin, not paste into the channel May 22 14:23:17 sry May 22 14:23:23 Flags: 0x202 -> software floating point May 22 14:23:26 !find pastebin May 22 14:23:39 pastebin.ca, something like that May 22 14:24:08 So it should be okay from a kernel-handling-floating-point point of view May 22 14:25:16 when i paste some content to pastebin.com i get an error: May 22 14:25:16 Query failure: Can't open file: 'recent.MYI'. (errno: 145) May 22 14:25:16 lock tables recent write May 22 14:25:35 perhaps the site is knackered, there are others about that do the same thing May 22 14:25:37 use rafb.net/paste or pastebin.ca or one of the zillion other pastebins out there, then. May 22 14:26:04 pastebin.com is soooooo slow for me anyway I never use it May 22 14:26:21 sorry... i am a bit confused today - got a bit too less sleep the last day's.... May 22 14:26:57 complete another question...: May 22 14:29:27 what is the sound device on the n800 to use??? May 22 14:29:27 sox tells me to use /dev/dsp - May 22 14:29:27 but play -d /dev/dsp sample.wav tells me: May 22 14:29:27 "Failed writing /dev/dsp: Unable to reset OSS driver. Possibly accessing an invalid file/device" May 22 14:29:27 but oss must work because i hear the 'clicks' when touching the touchscreen - doesn't it?? May 22 14:29:58 it's alsa May 22 14:30:49 perhaps you can use aoss , it it on the device? May 22 14:30:51 alsa is the 'new' sound subsystem - isn't it?? how to use it?? May 22 14:31:16 no oss is old and very deprecated :) May 22 14:31:50 AOSS|AirStation One-Touch Secure System May 22 14:31:54 ?? May 22 14:32:16 OSS = open sound system May 22 14:32:17 Airborne Oil Surveillance System May 22 14:32:22 but I think that on the n800 it's esd (enlighetenment sound daemon ) who merges the different sounds samples together right? May 22 14:32:40 keesj: uh, no? May 22 14:32:55 gstreamer as far as I know May 22 14:33:15 O lord! May 22 14:33:31 isnt the whole thing done with gstreamer? May 22 14:33:55 esd exists on my n800 May 22 14:33:59 gstreamer does not May 22 14:34:18 hmm May 22 14:34:20 I imagine it does May 22 14:34:26 Synt1: you must have removed gstreamer by yourself then May 22 14:34:37 * tigert doesnt think we switched from gstreamer to esd May 22 14:34:59 koen: i've only installed sox May 22 14:35:01 why would anyone do that? May 22 14:35:02 yup esd is running May 22 14:35:03 tigert: especially since PCM is routed through the dsp, which needs gstreamer May 22 14:35:04 + dependencies May 22 14:35:33 Synt1: there is no "gstreamer" binary it's a lib , perhaps gst-launch will exist May 22 14:35:35 so how do i play a 'dumb' wav or pcm file i have on a mmc via ssh May 22 14:35:56 gst-launch does not exist either May 22 14:35:57 that is easy May 22 14:36:27 * Synt1 excuses himself for his little *nix/*nux knowledge May 22 14:36:41 http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/28/p64#more64 May 22 14:36:55 What about gst-launch-someversionnumberhere? May 22 14:37:28 lardman: it's in gstreamer-tools or gst-tools May 22 14:37:37 ah, that's true, sorry May 22 14:38:45 guys, someone know anything on howto to stream video with farsight? May 22 14:39:58 anything i know: http://farsight.freedesktop.org/wiki/ May 22 14:40:48 I'm just trying the examples ... but seem not to work... ;( May 22 14:44:46 keesj: that's not exactly what i've been looking for,,, May 22 14:45:02 i have test.wav on the device an i am connected via ssh May 22 14:45:16 what do i have to hack onto that term to play test.wav? May 22 14:45:39 i would have suspected something like > play -d /dev/dsp test.wav May 22 14:47:39 i just got rid of the matchbox - my little app should run on the plain X May 22 14:47:57 so the only way to try - playing a sound is from far far away via ssh May 22 14:48:20 Synt1: in that case I don't know but you can 1) learn about gstreamer 2)search the mailing list how to launch the default music player, 3)install mplayer , that works May 22 14:49:04 I guess gstreamer is what nokia want's you to use. May 22 14:49:08 i think i'll choose 1) - learning about gstreaming May 22 14:58:21 Synt1: for mp3 you can use this "gst-launch-0.10 gnomevfssrc location=your.mp3 ! dspmp3sink" May 22 14:59:38 http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/gst-launch-0.10.1.html, scroll down to Pipeline examples (or search for pipeline & gstreamer) May 22 14:59:48 you need to alter the sink name though May 22 15:00:06 Synt1: or use the dsppcmsink May 22 15:00:18 indeed, to that one May 22 15:04:39 the media player is insane May 22 15:05:54 it gives me 4 copies of each song from one album if I go to the library and click on "play" with the "Artists" option selected May 22 15:06:10 the other albums are added normally May 22 15:12:48 dev so it uses dsp afterall? May 22 15:13:43 these pipelines, yes May 22 15:14:21 so why did cat play not work? May 22 15:14:53 sorry why did play -d /dev/dsp test.wav May 22 15:15:04 not work May 22 15:16:17 maybe because you don't have /dev/dsp May 22 15:17:29 maybe the dsp needs some additional initialization May 22 15:18:09 is osso-terminal v 0.13's source available? I'd like to try adding an audible bell to it. May 22 15:18:30 irssi would probably be more useful if I could get message notification. May 22 15:21:22 trevarthan: you may want to check out the maemo-hackers.org version of osso-xterm May 22 15:21:33 it has a bunch of good bells and whistles May 22 15:21:46 does it have audible bell support? May 22 15:23:13 hmmm.. I think that's the one I'm using. So yeah, that's what I want to modify. Thanks mgeadmin. May 22 15:23:21 don't know, don't care about audible bells May 22 15:23:40 I turned all system sounds off first thing May 22 15:37:50 sorry - read that all a bit to late... May 22 15:37:50 ....now i already made myself a /sbin/play file, containing: #!/bin/ash May 22 15:38:02 gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=$1 ! wavparse ! dsppcmsink May 22 15:38:53 but it needs quite long (about .5 to 1 second) to initialize before playing - does anyone know why!? May 22 15:43:02 prob as dsp needs to load task & start going May 22 16:07:14 offtopic: does anyone here have a preferred multi user IRC proxy they like? May 22 16:07:35 I need to be able to log in from multiple machines to one server at the same time. May 22 16:08:16 irssi-proxy <3 May 22 16:12:35 hmmm, I'm not sure if my irssi came with the proxy module. but I think I would prefer a daemon. May 22 16:17:10 <`0660> screen + irssi <3 May 22 16:17:17 <`0660> + ssh... May 22 16:17:37 +stylus May 22 16:17:53 <`0660> i prefer thumbs with my irssi :) May 22 16:18:21 Bye to all ... May 22 16:22:12 irssi is great, but i would prefer to use pidgin so i can get audible notifications. May 22 16:22:52 I'm writing this on irssi. It's just not enough. May 22 16:24:03 my best mobile irc is 3G + ssh + screen + irssi May 22 16:24:07 and the thumb keyboard May 22 16:25:03 don't you hate all of those login steps though? May 22 16:25:27 trevarthan, irssi can beep or execute stuff May 22 16:26:07 yeah, but beep doesn't seem to work in maemo terminal. May 22 16:27:54 it's easy to execute something instead of beeping May 22 16:29:01 <`0660> trevarthan, which login steps? May 22 16:30:12 <`0660> needs some configuration but it's possible to make a menu item which brings you directly to the irssi screen May 22 16:30:54 <`0660> and asks to open a connection if necessary... May 22 16:31:56 hmmm. i'm using irssi remotely. i suppose the execute thing would work if i ran irssi locally on my n800. but then i would still need an irc proxy for my other clients. May 22 16:32:46 the connection bit is possible May 22 16:32:49 `0660: what about the ssh though? May 22 16:32:57 have a shell script May 22 16:32:59 <`0660> public key authentication May 22 16:33:01 that sources connectivity_preload.sh May 22 16:33:06 and then executes irssi May 22 16:33:08 <`0660> that's what i did May 22 16:33:11 I have one for ssh May 22 16:33:36 <`0660> it's quite handy :) May 22 16:33:52 <`0660> about two clicks to see what's going on May 22 16:34:40 <`0660> and i think there was a desktop plugin which would bring it down to just one click May 22 16:54:53 i'm convinced that irssi is the best for the thumb keyb. i just need audible notify. so that means a local irssi client i guess. May 22 16:59:32 hmm. i don't see an irssi client for os2007 though. May 22 17:00:26 can you play audio over an x11 link? May 22 17:02:27 the x11 protocol has a request for sounding a bell, I think May 22 17:02:55 there's a xkbbell binary on my laptop May 22 17:03:18 seems to trigger a visual bell that I've configured in metacity May 22 17:05:21 yeah, but that wouldn't work as osso-xterm would catch the signal and drop it. May 22 17:05:30 (I think) May 22 17:07:24 more likely, the window manager would ignore the request for the bell May 22 17:07:34 or the x server wouldn't support the xkb extension May 22 17:08:40 I wonder if I could use screen locally on the n800 and somehow get it to intercept the beep and do something useful with it. May 22 17:11:39 yes May 22 17:11:44 I just need to build irssi for os2007. that would solve my problems I think. May 22 17:11:49 ... probably May 22 17:12:00 doesn't screen convert echo -e '\a' into a visual bell? May 22 17:13:07 okay, this stuff is too deep for me right now May 22 17:13:11 lol May 22 17:13:12 have fun reading the man pages May 22 17:13:17 yeah. May 22 17:13:26 ... need ... caffeine ... May 22 17:15:27 crap. can't install screen either. May 22 17:15:33 only for os 2006 May 22 17:28:49 yeah May 22 17:29:01