**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 24 02:59:57 2007 May 24 04:01:34 neostrider May 24 04:01:36 ! May 24 04:28:26 May I request that somebody attempt a GTalk call to russnelson@gmail.com ? May 24 04:35:46 May I request that somebody WHO IS AWAKE attempt a GTalk call to russnelson@gmail.com ? May 24 04:53:28 nelson is it that important... May 24 04:54:44 not sure if a symbian emulator would be possible on n800/770 May 24 04:54:53 java May 24 04:55:53 problem solved on my correspondants' end. Firewall issues. May 24 04:56:32 k May 24 06:27:09 hmm May 24 06:27:19 why does planet maemo have display: block for images? May 24 06:27:28 this forces them out of the bubbles it seems May 24 06:59:04 tigert: I thought you were the one doing it ;) May 24 07:04:00 not currently May 24 07:04:12 busy with other things now May 24 07:14:55 trevarthan: Yes, N800 with the latest firmware and mostly default settings. May 24 07:17:24 Hi to all ... May 24 07:22:58 i'm itching to try the video on n800... anyone want to try it? May 24 07:23:56 zbowling@gmail.com May 24 07:25:41 need more friends with it May 24 07:28:02 zbowling|n800: You could try to seduce a friend who has a windows PC & webcam with the invitation thing May 24 07:29:20 does that work on gtalk for win? i don't use windows May 24 07:29:56 there's a binary on the nokia site May 24 07:30:03 the invitation will point the user to that site May 24 07:30:27 ahh that thing ;-) May 24 07:31:22 i'm guess it doesn't work on linux or mac? May 24 07:31:41 guessing* **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 24 07:35:47 2007 May 24 07:38:32 zbowling|n800: there is no binary for linux :( May 24 07:39:52 and the whole thing is pretty beta May 24 07:40:35 there is no real registration and it looks like anybody can steal other's nicks May 24 07:41:27 at least that is how I understand it is more designed to ad-hoc communication you chose a nick and post to the website May 24 07:42:15 the trouble is that is does not mix well with the other features (like knowing when somebody is online). May 24 07:42:43 n800->n800 communication is ok May 24 07:43:24 that is if one of the parties use the headphone :p May 24 07:45:23 does the gtalk support video? May 24 07:49:40 Morning, all May 24 07:54:08 hi May 24 07:54:32 I am looking for the Sofia SIP Telepathy connection manager pre-built for the N800 - anyone know where I might find it? May 24 07:56:14 The wiki and maemo.org are in pain May 24 08:14:45 good morning May 24 08:16:55 ../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: doze/dozea.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 3) May 24 08:16:55 doze/dozea.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format May 24 08:16:55 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status May 24 08:16:55 make: *** [dega] Error 1 May 24 08:17:01 wtf does that mean May 24 08:17:46 btw, i got a working msx emu..... May 24 08:17:55 not sure how the controls are going to handle... May 24 08:17:59 but its working May 24 08:26:11 is there a sip client for N800? May 24 08:32:04 Okko: gizmo? May 24 08:33:38 oh, it is available for N800. thanks. May 24 08:34:02 can I configure any sip account to the software or is it binded to gizmo accounts? May 24 08:34:42 Okko: I was just thinking the same thing :) May 24 08:34:58 Isn't the Telepathy SIP connection manager available as a binary somewhere? May 24 08:35:49 according to gizmo's screenshots there's "[x] login to second account" which implies it always logins to gizmo May 24 08:36:36 Install it and try? :) May 24 08:36:49 It had some stability issues. May 24 08:36:56 I don't have my N800 with me atm May 24 08:37:18 Don't know if they're fixed now. May 24 08:40:56 pyhimys: Do you have a lead on the SPI connection manager for Telepathy? May 24 08:41:06 Gizmo works ok for me. May 24 08:42:10 The only problem it has is that is doesn't automatically reconnect after I have lost the wireless network for a time.. May 24 08:42:37 I guess Ekiga hasn't been packaged for N800 yet May 24 08:42:50 found compile instructions though May 24 08:42:58 http://n770.herraiz.org/archives/27 May 24 08:44:44 And MiniSIP may be coming.. http://www.minisip.org/download.html#LinuxEmbedded May 24 08:50:48 Okko: Isn't there a SIP connection manager? May 24 08:51:10 In which case SIP should Just work with the VoIP client already on the N800 May 24 08:51:34 dneary: already installed? May 24 08:51:42 in the firmware? May 24 08:52:05 I'm looking to get it installed - I know it exists May 24 08:52:13 But I don't yet have it May 24 08:52:36 <|tbb|> okko for what is it good for? May 24 08:53:35 |tbb|: a SIP client? May 24 09:19:41 what is enprocess and why should I let it take 100% cpu ? May 24 09:23:08 that's the Evil Nokia Process May 24 09:23:32 yeah, if you don't have a nokia phone it is run periodically May 24 09:23:54 and then the nokia resellers can tell you "oh, yeah but it consumes less battery with a nokia phone" :) May 24 09:28:36 keesj: ok if one of the parties use the headphone? the N800 has echo cancellation, provided they're not in the same room then it doesn't create feedback. May 24 09:29:27 keesj: gtalk itself doesn't support video, the N800 has implemented some newer standards May 24 09:31:01 so no one really knows what it is ? :) May 24 09:31:26 it's the Jingle XEPs on xmpp.org/extensions May 24 09:31:39 I made them work, and then fed back all of the changes to make the XEPs match my implementation :) May 24 09:31:57 Robot101: sensible approach. :-P May 24 09:32:16 first implementer's priviledge :D May 24 09:35:59 :P May 24 09:37:02 to be honest I have only seen google talk voice work under windows nerver under linux(other then the 770 and n800 of course) May 24 09:37:12 it works for me May 24 09:37:26 but then again I write the software that runs on the 770 and N800 :) May 24 09:37:33 :) May 24 09:37:36 I do need headphones though, my laptop doesn't have echo cancellation May 24 09:37:55 we're seeing some linux client projects that look reasonably good now May 24 09:38:11 really ? May 24 09:38:30 we've been working on Empathy in the GNOME SVN, based off Gossip, componentized but no voice yet, the Novell guys are working in C May 24 09:38:40 (AGRHGAHRG AMERICAN KEYBOARD) May 24 09:38:49 C# on Banter, also in GNOME SVN May 24 09:38:54 a person-centric thing May 24 09:39:19 and INdT have been working on Colligo, which is a pretty traditional client built on top of Telepathy & tapioca-glib May 24 09:40:18 let's try gossip :p May 24 09:42:06 lol gossip requires loudmouth , May 24 09:43:05 unless you --enable-telepathy May 24 09:49:49 happy joy joy May 24 09:49:54 kegs emu... May 24 10:09:40 Does anyone know how I can detect with gstreamer in C that I try to use a non-existing/not available device as v4l2 source? May 24 10:43:59 hello May 24 12:32:07 hi May 24 12:32:13 hi May 24 12:32:50 anyone knows how to do video/voip calls between a n800 or a 770 and a Macbook? May 24 12:33:13 what programs should I use? May 24 12:34:04 you're greedy :) May 24 12:35:29 fer, install linux on yer macbook and use tapioca ;) May 24 12:35:41 i think you can use parallels w/ windows :) May 24 12:37:01 http://videovoip.tableteer.nokia.com/ May 24 12:39:39 timeless, thanks May 24 12:39:57 i presume you can find windows for your mac :) May 24 12:49:26 is there a perl package? May 24 12:52:44 perl is included by default afaik May 24 12:53:13 no May 24 12:53:20 it is most definitely not included by default May 24 12:53:25 ah.. it's in extras May 24 12:53:28 it is theoretically possible to addit May 24 12:53:36 it's not? I thought apt/dpkg kinda depends on it.. o_O May 24 12:53:50 oddly enough nokia has managed w/o it May 24 12:53:56 weird May 24 12:54:06 debian lists it as an essential or something May 24 12:54:24 so it's assumed to be there, but enough things (or at least the things nokia ships) don't require it May 24 12:55:25 k, i'll try to remember that in the future :) May 24 12:57:20 repository hell... May 24 12:58:56 if you have fewer than 20 repositories, you haven't reached hell May 24 12:59:36 :) May 24 12:59:50 hehe May 24 13:17:59 dpb, IIRC 770 shipped with perl, N800 no longer does May 24 13:18:24 yup it was in one of extras and now it's called perl-base May 24 13:45:50 <_guardian> could the n800 screen report multitouch press events ? May 24 13:48:50 <||cw> guardian: I think multitouch requires a special digitzer May 24 13:49:54 i'm clueless about what's going on the hardware side May 24 14:34:13 what's up folks? May 24 16:05:22 MDK: --enable-xan ... wtf? :) May 24 16:07:27 tko: --enable-lazy-coder-mode May 24 16:07:31 disables -Werror May 24 16:08:01 MDK: I saw what it does, but the name of the option is unconventional May 24 16:09:04 not consolidated enough? ;) May 24 18:00:00 anyway to run firefox on the 800? May 24 18:02:32 Negen: not as such, no. there is a port of minimo available, but it's not very stable May 24 18:04:48 I rebooted my n800 today, and now it won't boot up properly. The blue bar goes partway, then it reboots automatically and starts over. What can I do? May 24 18:06:08 first make sure that the battery isn't empty May 24 18:06:56 trev did u recently install RoR? i had a similar prob after May 24 18:16:21 part: you heard of any way to connect to a checkpoint vpn? May 24 18:17:13 Negen: What is RoR? May 24 18:17:18 Ruby on Rails? May 24 18:17:19 no May 24 18:17:36 kk May 24 18:17:48 part: batt is not empty. Plugged into a power adapter and no change. Still does the same thing. May 24 18:17:51 what now? May 24 18:18:15 whar have u recently installed May 24 18:18:33 trevarthan: if the battery is completely empty, it takes about 5 minutes to get enough charge to actually boot up May 24 18:18:49 part: it's not. May 24 18:19:16 besides, wouldn't it at least boot while plugged in? May 24 18:19:22 trevarthan: ok, the next step would be to turn off the automatic reboot. This can be done with the flasher May 24 18:19:36 trevarthan: no, it won't boot up until there's some charge in the battery May 24 18:19:56 I'm pretty sure I checked the batt meter before rebooting and it was all green. May 24 18:20:09 So no, I doubt it's the battery. May 24 18:20:42 Negen: if there is a free client for checkpoint, it shouldn't be a lot of effort to compile it for maemo May 24 18:21:46 part : i tried with no luck... but i have a webbased vpn but it requires an activex component May 24 18:22:20 is there a way to disable automatic reboot using the windows flasher? Or do I have to use the linux one? May 24 18:22:40 trevarthan: no idea about the windows flasher, sorry May 24 18:23:07 trevarthan: i dont think you can May 24 18:23:29 arg. May 24 18:24:27 trevarthan: if you connect the usb and power holding home... do you ever get the usb icon? May 24 18:25:01 trevarthan: do you have any idea what happened before it got into the reboot loop? May 24 18:25:07 e.g. did you install some software? May 24 18:25:19 or write/delete large amounts of data to the internal flash? May 24 18:26:12 did I install some software? Uh... yeah. Do I know which one caused the problem? Not a clue. May 24 18:26:28 any desktop/statusbar plugins? May 24 18:26:36 not recently May 24 18:26:39 no, these would cause a crash later May 24 18:27:05 trevarthan: can you get the usb icon on boot by holding home? May 24 18:27:15 here's hoping the flasher works from vmware on a win32 host. May 24 18:27:38 yes May 24 18:27:44 rebooting in the middle of the blue bar... I've heard that somewhere... May 24 18:27:51 well, by plugging in usb anyway May 24 18:28:01 flash garbage collector might cause it by using all the cpu and triggering the watchdog reboot, IIRC May 24 18:28:29 I'm just gonna turn off the lifeguard thing. seems like a useless thing anyway May 24 18:28:35 what's it supposed to protect? May 24 18:28:41 the fix, iirc, is to turn off lifeguard and let the gc collector finish its job May 24 18:28:59 i had a similar prob after installin a bad ror package. had to reflah to 2007 clean May 24 18:29:24 there was also some other bug in some firmware where it would just keep rebooting if it failed to successfully up 10 times May 24 18:29:32 yeah, I hope I don't have to reflash. It's taken about a week to get to this point. May 24 18:29:39 and the fix was to reflash a newer firmware May 24 18:29:58 I've got the latest firmware. May 24 18:39:30 Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted May 24 18:39:43 I bet that's because I'm running under vmware... May 24 18:40:28 maybe it's because I'm not root May 24 18:40:44 trevarthan: you may have to wipe the unit using nokias tool May 24 18:41:49 it's not a tumor. May 24 18:42:38 ;-) May 24 18:43:21 that became my option when i had the problem May 24 18:44:19 is it booting into some sort of safe mode now? The windows don't show up with gui widgets.... May 24 18:45:08 never heaard orr seen that May 24 18:45:23 the white screen of death? May 24 18:45:29 lol May 24 18:46:07 That was not supposed to be funny , such a thing exists in maemo lang May 24 18:46:09 land May 24 18:46:12 yeah. the code dialog has buttons, but they aren't graphical. May 24 18:46:41 It keeps booting with a wrench at the bottom of the screen.... May 24 18:47:21 you will have to make a photo for me May 24 18:47:41 what are non graphical buttons , is that ascii or something? May 24 18:48:10 no, they just don't look like buttons. only the text on them show up May 24 18:50:03 keesj: sry bout that.. trevarthan: is there too much personal data to try reflashing the system in win? May 24 18:50:09 MDK: what happened to the lock code dialog in hildon-1 ? May 24 18:51:43 keesj: it's telling me the kernel version as it boots. Ring a bell? May 24 18:52:22 r&d mode is on May 24 18:52:29 tko: is there? May 24 18:52:36 how do I turn it off? May 24 18:52:48 tko: at least, was there when I looked last time ;) May 24 18:53:05 with a flasher May 24 18:53:24 yeah. how do you think it got turned on in the first place. :) May 24 18:53:31 MDK: umm.. it is there now.. either you added it today or I'm blind May 24 18:54:11 heh May 24 18:54:17 no, I didn't add it today ;) May 24 18:54:26 it's called hildon-code-dialog May 24 18:58:31 I've got it booted into R&D mode, but I get no GUI. Just a blank white screen. If I knew the IP, then I could ssh in and have a look around, but I don't know the IP as it's on a different net... May 24 19:04:48 <||cw> trevarthan: is it still plugged into usb? May 24 19:05:09 no May 24 19:08:04 I'm f'd, right? I just need to flash it now? Does anyone realize how much that sucks? May 24 19:11:29 o/ May 24 19:14:18 That's one of the reasons why I have the bootmenu and a backup system in the internal flash, I can safely tinker with the system on the sd and recover it through the system on the flash May 24 19:16:02 yeah. If it's going to be this easy to completely destroy weeks worth of work then Nokia ***really*** needs a way to backup the image to the desktop. May 24 19:16:08 I'm *not* happy at all. May 24 19:18:12 I guess they warn you about it in the dialogs in app-manager ;) May 24 19:19:01 does the backup program save your installed applications? No. So it isn't really a backup, is it? May 24 19:19:22 trevarthan: apparently there are solutions like what zuh is using, so I guess that if you want to be unhappy , you could start with being unhapy about the way you developed. I don't want to make you angry but I thing you are being a little unfair May 24 19:19:45 and let's face it. The n800 is useless without 3rd party software, so I'm not satisfied with a "don't install 3rd party software" answer. May 24 19:20:29 show me a link to the solution zuh is using. I didn't even know it existed until he mentioned it. May 24 19:21:06 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs May 24 19:21:11 it's in the wiki, there are different pages about how to boot easely from mmc May 24 19:21:15 I don't think I'm being unfair at all. I'm bloody furious. I'll get over it. I'll redo all my hard work. I'm just very unhappy right now. May 24 19:21:25 But note that this is even less supported than 3rd party sw :P May 24 19:22:28 * guardian now playing Lofofora - Buvez du cul May 24 19:23:55 sorry for that May 24 19:25:40 is zsh known to screw things up? May 24 19:26:03 zsh is the only thing I installed that didn't install properly. It never has on my n800. May 24 19:27:03 Is there any way to do a serial console over USB or something? May 24 19:27:35 I mean, something is jacking up the boot process. If I could just get a shell then I could fix it. May 24 19:27:49 there is a serial port if you feel like soldering a connector to it May 24 19:27:59 no... I don't. May 24 19:28:07 but if you want to solder, its prolly easier to grab the jtag port instead May 24 19:30:03 I know how to solder, but I don't feel like completely bricking a $400 tool.... May 24 19:30:48 does the serial console boot by default? May 24 19:30:55 or do you need a custom kernel anyway? May 24 19:33:15 You can enable it with the flasher tool May 24 19:34:57 that's tempting. But then I'd have a goofy serial port on my n800 all the time. Not practical. May 24 19:35:36 /lastlog zuh May 24 19:36:12 I guess you could make some kind of connector pins and just fix it in place with tape or something... May 24 19:36:31 hw-hackery is fun ;) May 24 19:39:22 well, I guess I'm just going to flash it and lose my work. I didn't have anything terribly important on there. Just some notes and a frick-load of applications that I'll have to painfully reinstall. May 24 19:41:30 I think what would help in the future is if you could backup over the USB or network somehow and if you could backup applications somehow. Or at least make a list of applications installed that allows you to reinstall all with a single click or something. May 24 19:42:16 Some sort of safe mode boot option would be nice too. May 24 19:42:30 or a usb serial console. May 24 19:42:52 qemu needs true omap support May 24 19:44:40 if you could download the internal flash via USB and mount it under linux, that would be useful too. May 24 19:45:05 Then you could backup a bricked device, even if you couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. May 24 19:45:23 you should be able to... May 24 19:46:09 if it's not bricked ;-P May 24 19:46:28 how do I do that then? May 24 19:46:43 that would save me a headache, I think. May 24 19:47:44 you could to flash... May 24 19:47:56 boot* May 24 19:48:38 I'm confused. Those last two sentences didn't make any sense to me. May 24 19:49:03 you could boot to flash May 24 19:49:25 evening May 24 19:51:03 <||cw> pretty sure one the flasher options is to make a backup May 24 19:55:10 ||cw: hmmm... don't see it. Does it show up in -h? May 24 19:55:48 <||cw> no idea, I just recall it.. vaugely May 24 19:58:25 do not want May 24 19:59:49 has anyone used a GPS device with the n800 ? May 24 20:00:10 I am trying to find a list with supported hw gps devices that work with the n800 May 24 20:04:47 <||cw> zyxulnaga: all bt gps's should work May 24 20:05:20 <||cw> I do recomend the Hollox for casual use though, killer battery life May 24 20:05:45 <||cw> I have the GPSlim 236, starts pretty fast and has an external antenna connector too May 24 20:10:06 uhm...was looking for forwarding a X application from the N800 to my PC thru an ssh connection. May 24 20:10:21 ||cw: thanks May 24 20:10:22 well...the $ ssh -X ... is not enough May 24 20:10:34 ||cw: do they interface through gpsd ? May 24 20:10:43 and even changing the /etc/ssh/sshd_config doesn't work May 24 20:11:01 someone was more lucky than me? ;-) May 24 20:12:38 oh yeah its gpsd nice May 24 20:13:19 http://gpsd.berlios.de/hardware.html May 24 20:15:23 <||cw> zyxulnaga: bt gps's are all serial profiles May 24 20:16:58 so they should all work? May 24 20:17:29 <||cw> yes May 24 20:17:53 <||cw> some are better than others though, I'd stick with a SiRF chipset May 24 20:18:38 cool May 24 20:18:40 thanks May 24 20:26:48 anyone ever compared SDL performance to using straight X or using gdk image directly in the correct pixel format ? May 24 20:31:06 re May 24 20:34:13 one more thing, has anyone tried connecting the n800 to a projector? May 24 20:46:02 Has anyone successfully used bluetooth DUN via a treo700w? May 24 20:49:53 I guess someone can use a ssh into a linux machine thats connected to a projector share the display and do it May 24 20:53:59 i'm creating a pretty offline page downloader May 24 20:55:58 was using wget and cron jobs.. bumped it up to daemon, with connection detection and libcurl May 24 20:57:39 even generates an html indexer page with a list of all the downloaded sites, with links to thier entry pages the date of last update May 24 20:59:04 but that is probably going to go in favor of a gtk fronted May 24 21:02:30 like advant go or plucker but n800ized May 24 21:02:56 using mono and gtk# for rapid dev May 24 21:04:49 mono beats java and python everyday of the week May 24 21:08:12 in fact python and java run on mono already making them biotches... i think its funny hearing about people getting java on maemo when we did it via mono already and we do it better because we have an arm jit and is intrupted on arm (embedded versions) May 24 21:08:51 java is intrupted on arm May 24 21:10:08 http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo May 24 21:10:38 you could even use vb.net on maemo May 24 21:11:03 if you are a sadomasicist May 24 21:12:42 hildon# and osso# and maemo# rock May 24 21:13:47 so its everyones duty if you hear anyone say java to slap them and say mono May 24 21:14:09 slap them silly May 24 21:14:14 ?? May 24 21:14:17 hello May 24 21:14:20 should we shout praises for almighty microsoft too? May 24 21:15:03 only if you are wanting to confuse people May 24 21:15:05 zbowling May 24 21:15:12 java runs in mono May 24 21:15:19 yah May 24 21:15:22 shit May 24 21:15:28 pardon my french May 24 21:15:46 see ikvm.net May 24 21:15:52 thanks May 24 21:16:51 http://www.mono-project.com/Java May 24 21:17:14 its more for compatability May 24 21:17:59 can install mono on the n800.. May 24 21:18:14 and run java on it? May 24 21:20:03 you have to copy ikvm after you install May 24 21:20:46 ikvm is a mono library... pretty simple May 24 21:22:24 it coverts java bytecode to cli bytecode on the fly May 24 21:23:09 i'll follow the instructions on the site.. May 24 21:23:12 and uses gnu classpath as the java classpath May 24 21:23:13 thanks May 24 21:24:07 i want to use this app called salling clicker and their a .jar file for it...to install on the device thats going to be use as the remote May 24 21:24:19 funny part is we are faster then java for most things May 24 21:24:21 not to install to run May 24 21:25:38 ahh yah.. ikvm has a tool to convert it on your desktop first the upload the result + ikvm libs May 24 21:28:11 i work at TI (in the educational/productivty dep. on the calculators) and i've been working on mono for the omap for our stuff but when i come how i get to work on poorting that code to work on maemo May 24 21:28:29 home* May 24 21:30:18 optomized the jit in mono for arm core in the omaps... we use just about every feature May 24 21:30:59 even our softfloat uses some omap tricks May 24 21:36:17 so conert the .jar file i have to ikvm? May 24 21:36:22 and be worry free May 24 21:37:24 yah May 24 21:37:33 there is a tool May 24 21:40:15 using ikvm.exe it will convert on the fly, but its huge and needs lots of memory at first... ikvmc.exe converts ahead of time and generates a mono library or executable from your jar May 24 21:40:45 use ikvmc and copy the result May 24 21:42:36 use ikvmstub.exe against any mono/.net library and it will make a jar stub for the library you can comple against in java... May 24 21:42:50 hello all, is anyone here familiar with pygame? i am trying to figure out how to get my program to have an icon in the taskbar, as it doesn't get one automatically May 24 21:43:44 wouldn't that be a DM issue? May 24 21:43:46 ikvm.net/uses.html May 24 21:53:03 is it suppose to complain on first install May 24 21:53:52 hmmm May 24 21:54:03 have to install the libs seperate May 24 22:05:10 a few.. for ikvm May 24 22:25:43 can anyone help me install aircrack on my n800? May 24 22:28:09 ill give u .50$ May 24 22:28:56 or his head which ever u prefer May 24 22:30:21 can anyone help me install aircrack on my n800? May 24 22:31:28 I have not used it, is it a deb? May 24 22:32:06 there is a deb but im trying my own May 24 22:32:24 getting an unknown err May 24 22:32:56 not sure what you mean, did you install a deb? May 24 22:33:09 trying my own access point? May 24 22:33:26 no ... compiling my own version May 24 22:33:34 ah, inside scratchbox May 24 22:33:54 but the log states wlan0 not present May 24 22:34:43 hmmm, May 24 22:34:48 yyet wlan0 is the default for all other apps im using May 24 22:35:12 is wlan0 connected to ap when you start aircrack May 24 22:35:23 did you bring up the interface May 24 22:35:28 ifconfig wlan0 up May 24 22:35:49 this is all command line I am assuming? May 24 22:36:09 yes... brb i think i fixed it May 25 01:05:58 hello May 25 01:09:57 zso you use ikvm from within mono? May 25 01:09:59 wtf May 25 01:10:03 this thing is killing me May 25 01:10:06 softly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 25 02:59:57 2007