**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 27 02:59:56 2007
May 27 03:27:41 <neostrider> hello folks
May 27 04:19:30 * acydlord sighs
May 27 04:19:39 <acydlord> the next version of debian needs to be out already lol
May 27 04:20:39 <dpb> lol.. wait a few years.. ;)
May 27 04:21:17 <acydlord> i was going to port gtwitter to maemo
May 27 04:21:29 <acydlord> but then debian decided to yell at me about some ooold libs
May 27 04:23:57 <neostrider> acydlord , what is gtwitter?
May 27 04:24:31 <acydlord> it's a little gtk/mono app for posting to twitter and viewing the twitter timelines
May 27 04:24:36 <acydlord> http://twitter.com
May 27 04:28:35 <pupnik> interesting
May 27 04:42:14 <acydlord> yeah, i got addicted to it
May 27 05:10:31 <mk8> Hi to all ...
May 27 05:18:07 <pupnik>  Rehi unique311
May 27 05:18:32 <unique311> celebration
May 27 05:18:35 <unique311> hey
May 27 05:18:43 <pupnik> been a while
May 27 05:18:46 <unique311> missing in action dude
May 27 05:18:51 <unique311> yeah man..where u been
May 27 05:18:57 <pupnik> i was campaigning online for Ron Paul
May 27 05:19:07 <unique311> whose ron paul
May 27 05:19:19 <unique311> sorry i don't watch the news...
May 27 05:19:26 <unique311> so my current events suck
May 27 05:19:38 <pupnik> it's offtopic here, you can check out #ronpaul for more info, or search youtube.
May 27 05:19:45 <unique311> k
May 27 05:19:52 <unique311> i have another emu under the belt..
May 27 05:19:58 <unique311> i just got it to start..
May 27 05:20:05 <unique311> apple IIgs
May 27 05:20:08 <unique311> kegs
May 27 05:21:26 <unique311> gonna test it out some more..and then share..keyboard is definitely necessary...but i think typing can be done via the terminal..i'm not sure how that came about..
May 27 05:23:10 <pupnik> nice
May 27 05:25:09 <unique311> i manage to get fmsx to start also...
May 27 05:25:37 <unique311> not sure what to do with it..
May 27 05:25:43 <pupnik> what is it
May 27 05:30:07 <unique311> an old school game console..fromt he looks of i...
May 27 05:30:08 <unique311> it
May 27 05:30:16 <unique311> i thought it was a sega emu
May 27 05:30:34 <unique311> but its like a desktop/game system...
May 27 05:30:38 <unique311> don't quote me on that
May 27 05:31:08 <unique311> http://fms.komkon.org/fMSX/
May 27 05:31:12 <pupnik> playstation portable
May 27 05:31:35 <unique311> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSX
May 27 05:31:38 <unique311> no
May 27 05:31:42 <pupnik> oh no
May 27 05:31:43 <unique311> home computer...
May 27 05:31:46 <unique311> by sony
May 27 05:32:32 <unique311> maybe i
May 27 05:32:41 <unique311> ll invest some time in that also..
May 27 06:05:49 <unique311> pupnik..with synergy..
May 27 06:06:04 <unique311> my notebook has has to be running the server..
May 27 06:06:07 <unique311> or the n800
May 27 06:06:15 <unique311> ?
May 27 06:06:36 <pupnik> i run the server on my desktop pc
May 27 06:06:41 <pupnik> should work both ways though
May 27 06:07:30 <acydlord> yep, should work both ways
May 27 06:11:13 <unique311> k
May 27 08:29:25 <xbagz> hi there, n800 noob here. i just confiugured bluetooth with pand on my n800. right now i could ssh. and do apt-gets on the command line but browsing on the n800 apps doenst work. i already did the dummy iap gconf thing on the wiki. anyone know how to make this work?
May 27 08:48:32 <pupnik> hi xbagz
May 27 08:48:56 <pupnik> what do you want to do?
May 27 08:50:19 <xbagz> i just want to surf on bluetooth... :) my wifi router broke. =(
May 27 08:50:35 <pupnik> oh, no idea
May 27 08:51:06 <xbagz> isok =)
May 27 08:51:18 <xbagz> still googling =)
May 27 08:51:24 <keesj> xbagz: I have not manager to do that yet, but I really would like :p
May 27 08:52:50 <xbagz> yup.. it kinda sucks without wifi.
May 27 08:53:10 <xbagz> its weird since apt-get on the cli works but the gui manager doesnt work
May 27 08:54:16 <pupnik> that is confusing to me
May 27 08:54:19 <pupnik> "gui manager"?
May 27 08:54:23 <pupnik> = application installer?
May 27 08:55:15 <xbagz> err.. application manager
May 27 08:55:24 <xbagz> the apt-frontend
May 27 08:55:27 <xbagz> =)
May 27 08:56:28 <pupnik> that's strange
May 27 09:02:49 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 27 09:11:45 <pupnik> hi Jaffa
May 27 09:22:14 <mogli> nokiq internet tablets eh?
May 27 09:22:38 <pupnik> maemo is development environment for them yes
May 27 09:22:56 <mogli> koolnesss
May 27 09:22:57 <mogli> brb
May 27 09:42:18 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
May 27 10:13:24 <melmoth> Any idea how i can ask gnomevfs to switch from passive to active mode (and reverse) for ftp transfert ?
May 27 12:14:49 <eichi> hello, someone here, uses the maemo mapper?
May 27 12:15:27 <eichi> how much space do the maps need? If I want to download all maps from germany..how much MB can this be?
May 27 12:46:28 <pupnik> hi eichi, i am sorry you will have to search the web
May 27 12:59:59 <wazquis> eichi: a LOT!
May 27 13:01:10 <wazquis> eichi: if you limit which zoomlevels and don't need the most-zoomed-in, then you can save a lot of space
May 27 13:01:50 <wazquis> eichi: i downloaded a couple of areas in denmark and i've used 300mb with every second zoomlevel and still not having the most-zoomed in
May 27 13:01:55 <wazquis> (both typo and sat that is)
May 27 13:02:10 <wazquis> i think you can save a lot if you only need typo
May 27 13:06:16 <keesj> eichi: are you serious? I guess it depends on the scale you download but I don't think it will fit any sd-card in the market
May 27 13:06:42 <eichi> i have a 2 gb sd card for this
May 27 13:10:16 <nomis> well, germany only is not that hard, you could e.g. skip the two finest resolutions
May 27 13:10:46 <nomis> go from top to bottom and see how fast your space fills up.
May 27 14:30:18 <eichi> nomis: is there a way to see this in linux with firefox?
May 27 14:34:12 <eichi> okay, I see I see ;) it could be get very big ;)
May 27 14:34:19 <eichi> *become
May 27 14:35:28 <eichi> In the most navi software there are no pictures but geometric data or why there is so small place with such nice map?
May 27 14:36:21 <gla55> most have vector data yes
May 27 14:38:57 <eichi> maybe the free software must work together with openstreetmap.org
May 27 14:47:40 <Cyorxamp> Lo, I'm an owner of a Zaurus PDA... I used have a HP pdaphone... I want to go back to something like that again (either pda or umpc with phone) but with linux... does nokia only do that one tablet?
May 27 14:50:58 <gla55> only 770 and 800, neither have a phone
May 27 14:52:02 <Cyorxamp> tis a shame
May 27 14:52:23 <Cyorxamp> the only decent devices out there are the HTC ones - but linux is far from ready on them
May 27 14:52:48 <Cyorxamp> I don't suppose anyone has been replacing symbian for linux on some nokia phones?
May 27 14:54:04 <gla55> nope
May 27 14:54:12 <Efrael> It would be a huge project
May 27 14:54:15 <gla55> not so far as a bootloader or anything
May 27 14:54:49 <gla55> yeah it would be pretty huge...
May 27 14:55:02 <Cyorxamp> linux just has no hope then atm :(
May 27 14:55:13 <Cyorxamp> not in a total-combined mobile area
May 27 14:56:03 <Cyorxamp> I don't suppose those tablets allow for those PCMCIA cards that can use SIM cards? lol
May 27 14:56:06 <gla55> well.. some motos got linux.. but. locked so away that it's rather irrelevant that they're linux
May 27 14:56:27 <gla55> no pcmcia slot
May 27 14:57:29 <Cyorxamp> atm I'm using a Nokia 6100 with a Zaurus SL-5500.... internet via GRPS > Infrared
May 27 14:57:31 <Cyorxamp> which is crap
May 27 14:57:59 <gla55> infrared is pretty crap
May 27 14:58:01 <Cyorxamp> And it doesn't work, since I'm not on contract I can't use the GPRS modem for IR use on the phone - grr!
May 27 14:58:12 <gla55> bluetooth is much nicer
May 27 14:58:18 <Cyorxamp> Well theres no point in me having a bluetooth phone as the PDA isn't bluetooth
May 27 14:58:39 <Cyorxamp> and Sharp have pulled out of the american/european market for there linux PDA's - only japan now
May 27 14:58:43 <gla55> well, there's some sd cards with bt for it, right?
May 27 14:59:03 <Cyorxamp> I could probably get a Bluetooth CF card - like I have a Wi-Fi CF card
May 27 14:59:24 <Cyorxamp> but I'm still left with the issue that I can't use my phones GPRS modem anyways - since I'm on pay&go
May 27 15:00:14 <Cyorxamp> I never had this issue with the Jornada 928 - just worked... but it ran evil windows and HP abandoned it
May 27 15:06:37 <Cyorxamp> hmm HTC have a mobile computer now with built in phone
May 27 15:15:47 <Cyorxamp> will the 770 or the 800 play OGG media files okay?
May 27 15:16:02 <gla55> yeah
May 27 15:16:14 <Cyorxamp> niiiiice :D
May 27 15:16:18 <Cyorxamp> I think I'm buying one
May 27 15:16:39 <zuh> Though not out of the box...
May 27 15:16:48 <Cyorxamp> Whats the linux it uses a derivative of?  Debian?
May 27 15:17:29 <zuh> It uses the package management of debian, but that's about as far as the similarities go. It's pretty custom system.
May 27 15:17:35 <Cyorxamp> ipkg ?
May 27 15:17:57 <zuh> no, regular dpkg
May 27 15:18:11 <zuh> I guess it's patched somehow, but not sure...
May 27 15:18:12 <Cyorxamp> cool, whats the window manager?
May 27 15:18:21 <zuh> Matchbox
May 27 15:18:26 <Cyorxamp> so you can use not only the nokia repository then I guess?
May 27 15:19:14 <zuh> Yeah, normal debian packages won't work (at least not due to dependancies, the armel port might even be binary compatible...)
May 27 15:19:23 <Cyorxamp> I'm thinking ditch the 6100 and the Zaurus - get a shiney yet uncomplicated bluetooth nokia - and a N800
May 27 15:20:07 <Cyorxamp> so it is ARM based?
May 27 15:20:20 <gla55> there's plenty of info on http://maemo.org/ etc
May 27 15:20:53 <Cyorxamp> I don't see any mention of the specific tablets on there
May 27 15:20:55 <gla55> if you want to try it out then the dev env gives you a chance(though it lacks properiaty apps)
May 27 15:21:15 <gla55> 770 and 800 are arm
May 27 15:22:28 <Cyorxamp> what has been known to work well (out of nokia phones) with the N800?  as seamless as possible
May 27 15:25:28 <gla55> any recent nokia bt phone should be painless
May 27 15:44:38 <neostrider> hello folks
May 27 15:48:16 <Cyorxamp> Damned PC reset
May 27 15:48:42 <Cyorxamp> I was asking what would be a good nokia phone (naturally it doesn't have to do loads, since the N800 would) to put with the N800?
May 27 15:49:17 <gla55> any recent one with bt, you somewhere with 3g?
May 27 15:49:30 <Cyorxamp> yeah the UK has 3G everywhere
May 27 15:49:51 <Cyorxamp> but I like a phone that just calls and SMS - nothing over fancy or I feel like Axing it
May 27 15:50:06 <sxpert> 3G is pretty useless, considering how expensive it is
May 27 15:50:07 <Cyorxamp> I know its a stupid thing to ask... a bog standard 3G/Bluetooth phone hehe
May 27 15:50:22 <gla55> sxpert: that entirely depends on your operator
May 27 15:50:42 <gla55> sxpert: unlimited plans are 10-30e here, depending on speed
May 27 15:50:44 <sxpert> hmmm..
May 27 15:50:53 <cosmo_> Cyorxamp: i've got samsung z150, it's really small and does everything needed
May 27 15:50:57 <gla55> frm 128kbit/s to max hsdpa..
May 27 15:51:05 <cosmo_> nokia doesn't have small phones
May 27 15:51:09 <Cyorxamp> cosmo_: I'd rather go with a Nokia, I always have
May 27 15:51:15 <sxpert> gla55, guess we're being ripped off here
May 27 15:51:32 <gla55> sxpert: i guess. 3g really is useless if you pay per mb..
May 27 15:51:49 <sxpert> gla55, yeah, it's the type of pricing here...
May 27 15:52:10 <Cyorxamp> So an uncomplicated Nokia 3G/GPRS/Bluetooth phone?  theres billions of nokia phones - any recommendations ?
May 27 15:52:43 <gla55> Cyorxamp: well, some recent s40 phone then. it really depends on what form factor you want i guess
May 27 15:52:44 <sxpert> they have "unlimited" that's really limited to 500MB if you read the fine print, and you can't use anything that'd do "streaming"
May 27 15:53:24 <sxpert> and that's 70 eur or so
May 27 15:54:46 <gla55> Cyorxamp: something like 6151 i guess
May 27 15:55:02 <Cyorxamp> the headphones they N800 come with - they just standard 3.5mm headphone jack ones?
May 27 15:55:19 <Cyorxamp> it gives a nokia code for them - which makes me worries
May 27 15:55:28 <Cyorxamp> and the tech spec of the N800 I'd hardly say is complete
May 27 15:56:07 <sxpert> Cyorxamp, yeah, anything will do
May 27 15:56:33 <Cyorxamp> sxpert: so it's not like its a special nokia port? infact what ports does it have
May 27 15:56:35 <Cyorxamp> mini usb maybe?
May 27 15:56:50 <sxpert> yeah. mini usb
May 27 15:57:00 <Cyorxamp> and a standard 3.5mm jack?
May 27 15:57:05 <sxpert> yeah
May 27 15:57:11 <Cyorxamp> normal nokia charger cable?
May 27 15:57:26 <Cyorxamp> sorry to be a pain - I can't find any better tech specs out there
May 27 15:57:29 <sxpert> the only thing I can think of is if there was a connection for the radio antenna on the 3.5 jack
May 27 15:57:45 <sxpert> Cyorxamp, get the FCC declaration :D
May 27 15:58:15 <Cyorxamp> whats the internal memory like?
May 27 15:58:32 <sxpert> hmm ?
May 27 15:58:42 <Cyorxamp> just says 128mb ram - that includes everything? cuz its a bit crapy
May 27 16:00:07 <sxpert> that's pretty complete... http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4305205
May 27 16:00:47 <sxpert> Cyorxamp, why would 128 MB be crappy ?
May 27 16:01:01 <sxpert> you're not supposed to run openoffice on that thing
May 27 16:01:05 <Cyorxamp> 128mb for all installed applications?
May 27 16:01:29 <Cyorxamp> thats only double what my zaurus can do - and that is about 5 years old now
May 27 16:01:59 <sxpert> you can use a file in the micro-SD as "swap"
May 27 16:02:28 <Cyorxamp> and combine the 128mb and 256mb for the rootfs?
May 27 16:03:17 <defor> hello
May 27 16:04:15 <sxpert> Cyorxamp, no. the 256 are inside the thing, where the OS and apps are installed.
May 27 16:04:53 <Cyorxamp> so the 256mb section is the rootfs? whilst the 128mb ram is just normal ram?
May 27 16:04:59 <sxpert> yeah
May 27 16:05:04 <Cyorxamp> oh that sounds better :D
May 27 16:06:06 <defor> hello... I've just started using a n770, but I'm curious, is the 800 really that large a leap in terms of performance, etc? I can't stand the 800's case design, but if it holds that many advantages over the 770, maybe it's worth switching to it...
May 27 16:07:43 <Cyorxamp> sxpert: so no one has replaced the OS like they did with the zaurus... its just already flexible enough to do whatever you need with it (he says glancing at the forum, at OGG support... DOOM... etc...)
May 27 16:08:20 <sxpert> well, yes, it's based on debian
May 27 16:08:38 <sxpert> using apt-get as package manager
May 27 16:08:50 <Cyorxamp> which debian ?  sarge?
May 27 16:13:33 <Protocol-> Cyroxamp: you can boot from the mmc card, I use a 1G card it works great
May 27 16:14:09 <Cyorxamp> I do that with my zaurus... the internal memory has a bootstrap and OpenZaurus boots from SD
May 27 16:14:32 <Protocol-> to answer the first question, for a good and easy nokia phone 3G/etc.. is the e61..
May 27 16:15:03 <Cyorxamp> and it's not going to want to wash my dishes and suck out my brain and attend to my every need when I just need a freaking phone?
May 27 16:15:15 <Protocol-> that's what I use, the OS is symbian that sucks a bit but it does everything
May 27 16:15:17 <gla55> e61 is definetely not just a phone
May 27 16:15:26 <Cyorxamp> blah!
May 27 16:15:29 <gla55> for starters it has a qwerty pad
May 27 16:15:43 <gla55> multitasking os, webkit browser
May 27 16:15:55 <Protocol-> it has edge/umts/gprs/wifi/bt
May 27 16:16:06 <Cyorxamp> ok, nm... tbh I'd only be compromising - I want the N800 to already be GSM and 3G (phone and SMS)
May 27 16:16:13 <Protocol-> a functional sip client
May 27 16:16:16 <Cyorxamp> so are Nokia planning anything for later?
May 27 16:16:25 <gla55> Cyorxamp: maybe in few years
May 27 16:16:29 <Cyorxamp> oh ffs
May 27 16:16:30 <gla55> nothing you should wait for
May 27 16:16:44 <Cyorxamp> but I've been waiting aaages!
May 27 16:16:55 <Protocol-> there is also the e or n 95? but it's really not the cheapest
May 27 16:17:00 <gla55> you could buy a greenphone but it blows
May 27 16:17:12 <gla55> Protocol-: neither e61 nor n95 fit what Cyorxamp was looking for
May 27 16:17:31 <defor> uhm... totally different question... has there been any success enabling host mode on n800?
May 27 16:17:35 <gla55> nice phones, yes (got a n95 here), but not really something you'd use to answer calls and act as modem for n800
May 27 16:17:38 <Cyorxamp> Can I send text messages from the N800 when connected to another nokia phone?
May 27 16:17:59 <gla55> don't think there's any apps for that.. hmm
May 27 16:18:21 <Cyorxamp> blah! Nokia == Phone Manufacturers... WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY PLAYING AT
May 27 16:18:41 <Protocol-> gla55: I use it exactly for this.. to get my n770 easily connected to gprs/3g etc..
May 27 16:19:00 <Cyorxamp> Bugger it I'm gonna stick to my Zaurus + Nokia 6100 combination until someone makes something worth buying
May 27 16:19:16 <Protocol-> I got the e61 for 200 euro 2nd hand
May 27 16:20:12 <gla55> Cyorxamp: they got their reasons for using os's they use..
May 27 16:20:20 <gla55> Cyorxamp: anyhow, you could buy a greenphone today
May 27 16:20:32 <gla55> from trolltech
May 27 16:20:47 <gla55> techwise it's nothing fancy though(imho)
May 27 16:20:58 <Cyorxamp> but its GREEN!
May 27 16:21:28 <gla55> dunno whats the status of neo1973
May 27 16:21:47 <gla55> techwise though again it's nothing special
May 27 16:22:01 <robtaylor> there's telepathy-blue
May 27 16:22:18 <robtaylor> not sure what the status of it is on the n800 though
May 27 16:23:17 <Protocol-> gla55: what makes you say "not really something you'd use to answer calls and act as modem for n800"?
May 27 16:23:27 <Cyorxamp> Nokia, HTC, Sharp - they are all _so_ close... but no cigar
May 27 16:23:56 <Cyorxamp> When someone makes a viable linux PDA/UMPC Phone - let me know
May 27 16:24:07 <Cyorxamp> But I'll probably be dead by then
May 27 16:24:23 <gla55> Protocol-: ..that they're more of high end than lowend phones
May 27 16:24:52 <gla55> protocol: featurewise they overlap with n800 too
May 27 16:25:17 <Protocol-> maybe indeed
May 27 16:25:46 <gla55> definetely they weren't the kind of phones Cyorxamp was asking about, where the more lowend s40's fit the bill
May 27 16:28:44 <Cyorxamp> lol gla55 - my Nokia 6100 already is a S40
May 27 16:30:16 <gla55> yeah, i figured some s40 with bt and 3g would have been a good replacement
May 27 16:33:20 <Cyorxamp> coudlnt' the N800 just run a form of GNocky or Nokia Data Suite ?!
May 27 16:33:37 <Cyorxamp> thus access via bluetooth the ability to send SMS and get access to the phone directory?
May 27 16:33:48 <Cyorxamp> maybe even sync that directory with an LDAP server? :D
May 27 16:34:20 <Cyorxamp> or am I thinking too quickly for slow pace of industry? :D
May 27 16:34:36 <gla55> i guess it could
May 27 16:35:04 <gla55> it would be nice if nokia ported it's pc suites functionality to it
May 27 16:35:06 <Cyorxamp> phone are cool - I get that... grab your phone - go off for a night out
May 27 16:35:14 <Cyorxamp> grab your phone and tablet - go to woek
May 27 16:35:15 <Cyorxamp> *work
May 27 16:37:03 <molkko> how do you find out the "namespace" of dbus. i mean what messages make sense to send to dbus
May 27 16:37:13 <Cyorxamp> what is Gnokii was ported?  www.gnokii.org
May 27 16:37:22 <Cyorxamp> it's already GTK+
May 27 16:37:24 <molkko> who is listening dbus
May 27 16:37:45 <Protocol-> Cyorxamp: there is gnokii already I think
May 27 16:37:50 <Cyorxamp> neat!
May 27 16:37:56 <Protocol-> wait, or gammu/wammu?
May 27 16:38:03 <Cyorxamp> so you can already send sms's and access your phone book ;D
May 27 16:38:10 <Cyorxamp> gammu wammu? wha?
May 27 16:38:51 <gla55> gnokii commandline is ported at least
May 27 16:38:58 <Cyorxamp> lol
May 27 16:39:06 <Cyorxamp> it's a start!
May 27 16:39:39 <Cyorxamp> ok I thinks its time I jumped off the sinking ship of angstrom/openzaurus
May 27 16:48:35 <Cyorxamp> gla55: 6510, 6310, 8310, 6310i, 6360, 6610, 6100, 5100, 3510, 3510i, 3595, 6800, 6810, 6820, 6820b, 6610i, 6230, 6650, 7210, 7250, 7250i, 7600, 6170, 6020, 6230i
May 27 16:48:52 <Cyorxamp> I will check them all - but off hand ... know if any of those have bluetooth?
May 27 16:48:59 <Cyorxamp> Nokia has faaar too many phones lol
May 27 16:49:13 <Cyorxamp> They are the ones that Gnokii is known to work with
May 27 16:52:34 <sxpert> Cyorxamp, lol
May 27 16:53:00 <sxpert> nokia starts with the assumption that everyone will want a different phone
May 27 16:53:58 <gla55> Cyorxamp: are those the only phones? not newer s40's?
May 27 16:54:26 <gla55> nokia has just few platforms.. but a shitload of models
May 27 18:08:23 <Cyorxamp> Nokia sure does have some horrid 3G flip phones
May 27 18:09:40 <Cyorxamp> 6292 looks good
May 27 18:10:23 <zakx> Your search - "nokia 6292" - did not match any documents.
May 27 18:10:35 <Cyorxamp> http://europe.nokia.com/A4254250
May 27 18:10:52 <Cyorxamp> ah lol... 6290 hehe
May 27 18:10:57 <zakx> heh
May 27 18:11:15 <Cyorxamp> it's a flippy bluetoothy 3g-ey... thing
May 27 18:11:20 <zakx> got the 6280 since yesterday
May 27 18:11:22 <Cyorxamp> might be a good companion to the N800
May 27 18:11:37 <zakx> didn't try 3G with n800 yet though
May 27 18:12:29 <Cyorxamp> gotta ditch my two official nokia stands with the phone as well :(
May 27 18:20:37 <Cyorxamp> I still think I'm gonna hold off - at least for now I know Nokia are worth watching in this area
May 27 18:21:08 <Cyorxamp> I like a PDA that has a keyboard and cover built in - my Zaurus SL-5500 had it and my Jornada 928 did
May 27 18:21:38 <Cyorxamp> I'll be back in umm 6 months - xmas :D bye
May 27 18:37:06 <tigert_> heh
May 27 18:37:12 <tigert_> wow, what happened to my nick
May 27 18:37:24 <tigert> better
May 27 18:38:00 * tigert likes the thumb keyboard a lot
May 27 18:38:05 <tigert> its very clever idea
May 27 18:40:14 <zuh> It could be better though, specially with situations where you want to see some context too
May 27 18:40:54 <zuh> But it's The IM on the device for sure
May 27 18:49:00 <roope> :)
May 27 18:51:39 <roope> The context issue is a problem. I was looking at the ubuntu things. the transparent keyboard.
May 27 18:57:00 <roope> We also studied transparency, but it's really hard to make it work, hard on many levels.
May 27 18:57:10 <roope> even on the UI level, not to mention the technical problems.
May 27 19:19:51 <Andy80> hi
May 27 19:19:55 <Robot101> yo
May 27 19:20:27 <Robot101> roope: actually updating the display is so slow you can have any amount of pretty graphics you want on the CPU, and not affect the speed :)
May 27 20:01:47 <Andy80> a question about maemo mapper... I'm using latest version (1.4.5) on my 770, and I've a Bt77 GPS receiver. I can download maps correctly and I can connect with bt77 without problems. The question is: since maemo mapper knows the gps position, how can I display my position on the map? I only can see the map and the coordinates in the gps info, but I would like to see a simple "point" on the map that shows where I am. Is i
May 27 20:01:47 <Andy80> t possible?
May 27 20:26:20 <unique311> java working in mono, anybody made that happen yet...
May 27 20:26:36 <unique311> i tried but cant understand some of the instructions..
May 27 21:00:17 <unique311> pupnik...
May 27 21:00:43 <unique311> i found the file you need to modify in pose to change the window position and size..
May 27 22:42:01 <pulsar_> has anyone run into an issue where it was no longer possible to start the software manegement tool?
May 27 22:43:00 <pulsar_> the apt database is prefectly ok, and everything works on the shell. but the frontend seems to have some startup issues. sometimes it just hangs and leaves a dead window.
May 27 22:43:25 <pupnik> What OS?
May 27 22:43:44 <pulsar_> 2007
May 27 22:44:23 <pupnik> Do you see any errors in the log of app manager?
May 27 22:44:38 <pulsar_> nope. so you did not :)
May 27 22:45:15 <unique311> any deb pack for QEMU...running on the n800/770
May 27 22:45:16 <unique311> ?
May 27 22:45:18 <pulsar_> i have tons of 3rd party tools / apt sources set up. perhaps some of the apps / libs is causing the issues.
May 27 22:46:11 <pulsar_> the funny thing, 1 of 10 attempts the app starts correctly.
May 27 22:46:20 <pulsar_> seems like a timing issue
May 27 22:48:50 <pulsar_> and somethign completly different: the latest ubuntu has some link issues with sdl/ttf. libX11.so.6 undefined smbol DPMSDisable. Anyone an idea how to get this working again - besides patching sdl sources.
May 27 22:56:04 <pupnik> that looks like a problem with X, not SDL
May 27 22:56:27 <pulsar_> nah, lib ttf seems to be linked against the wrong x version.
May 27 22:57:29 <pulsar_> as it appears to me at least.
May 27 22:57:54 <pupnik> ahhh
May 27 22:58:42 <pupnik> i'm a sidux nazi and ubuntu users are communists
May 27 22:58:51 <pupnik> :)
May 27 22:59:12 <pulsar_> yeah, whatever :)
May 27 22:59:19 <pulsar_> lets go back to gentoo
May 27 22:59:43 <pupnik> this is #maemo
May 27 23:02:12 <pupnik> unique311: forget qemu
May 27 23:10:07 <unique311> why?
May 27 23:10:14 <unique311> not possible?
May 27 23:11:33 <pulsar_> performance will suck for sure, perhaps thats what he meant?
May 27 23:13:22 <unique311> k
May 27 23:13:43 <unique311> pupnik pose
May 27 23:13:48 <unique311> whats the status...?
May 27 23:13:49 <unique311> dead
May 27 23:14:30 <unique311> the guys over at #hackndev said go with qemu running palm roms....
May 27 23:14:33 <unique311> better option.
May 27 23:17:28 <pulsar_> you basically you want to run palm apps on your nokia?
May 27 23:18:14 <unique311> well
May 27 23:18:21 <unique311> yes..
May 27 23:18:29 <pulsar_> how is that supposed to work without the whole underlaying software architecutre?
May 27 23:19:17 <pupnik_> You need to download palmOS
May 27 23:19:17 <pulsar_> or is it about emulating the palmos in the first place?
May 27 23:19:18 <unique311> pupnik made it happen..
May 27 23:19:26 <pulsar_> ic
May 27 23:19:38 <pupnik_> unique311: found the palmOS online
May 27 23:19:47 <unique311> the screen size..
May 27 23:19:53 <pupnik_> oh yeah i can fix that now
May 27 23:19:57 <pupnik_> just need to do it
May 27 23:20:05 <unique311> when doubled  255 percent of the screen is missing
May 27 23:20:14 <unique311> when in regular mode its tiny
May 27 23:20:29 <unique311> i found 2 files in the source..
May 27 23:20:48 <pupnik_> yeah could you /msg those filenames to me?
May 27 23:20:49 <unique311> i think deals with size..but rotation of the gui is whats needed
May 27 23:20:53 <unique311> yeah
May 27 23:20:56 <pupnik_> yes
May 27 23:49:44 <T12U> hello
May 27 23:52:05 <T12U> I am trying to install maemo-gpsdrive onto my Nokia 770 running OS 2006 edition and I am getting "Unable to install. Package is incompatible with current software."
May 27 23:52:19 <T12U> any help would be greatly appreciated
May 27 23:52:41 <pulsar_> seems its not meant to be used on os 2006
May 27 23:53:29 <T12U> if you don't mind me asking, is there a version of maemo-gpsdrive that can be installed and ran on os 2006?
May 27 23:53:31 <pulsar_> are you using the deb packages?
May 27 23:53:35 <pulsar_> no idea
May 27 23:53:49 <T12U> I have tried to do a search on google but with no solution
May 27 23:54:05 <pupnik> Hmm
May 27 23:54:07 <pulsar_> well, if you get the deb package, you can still try to "force" its installation
May 27 23:54:31 <pulsar_> but that behaviour must be for a reason, so it might cause you more troubles than you can handle :)
May 27 23:54:47 <T12U> I first installed Xterm and then maemo-libpcre3, maemo-gpsd, and now I am stuck on the last program to be installed
May 27 23:54:59 <pupnik> How are you installing
May 27 23:55:06 <pulsar_> you use dpkg -i <package> ?
May 27 23:55:12 <pulsar_> try --force then.
May 27 23:55:28 <pupnik> if you use dpkg -i, you probably have the wrong package
May 27 23:55:30 <T12U> No I downloaded each of them from the site that had the tutorial
May 27 23:55:51 <pupnik> that's why we have repositories and apt-get or application manager
May 27 23:57:10 <T12U> oh ok. So do you happen to know where can I download the correct package for os 2006 and a way to "force" install it?
May 27 23:57:28 <pulsar_> where is that tutorial page you are talking about?
May 27 23:57:30 <pulsar_> let me have a look
May 27 23:57:37 <T12U> http://tabletblog.com/2006/02/howto-bluetooth-gps-and-gpsdrive-on.html
May 27 23:59:26 <pulsar_> hmm.. on os 2007 there is osso-gpsd daemon, is that equivalent to maemo-gpsd?
May 27 23:59:53 <pulsar_> http://www.elisanet.fi/tapio.tolvanen/nokia770.html
May 28 00:00:04 <pulsar_> there you have the os2006 / n770 packages
May 28 00:00:38 <T12U> I'll try to check it out. Thank you for now
May 28 00:00:43 <pulsar_> get them and either open the deb packages in the filemanager which should fire up the sofware management tool or use the console and the dpkg command to install those.
May 28 00:04:00 <pulsar_> T12U: maemo mapper might be also worth a try, did work of of the box (semi-official apt-sources) for me.
May 28 00:04:23 <pulsar_> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-mapper/
May 28 00:08:28 <pulsar_> i have just compiled htop, tested on n800 works very nice. http://www.paul.vc/htop if anyone is interessted.
May 28 00:14:30 <T12U> I'm trying to install maemo-mapper - IT2006 and I am getting a "Unable to install. Some packages required for the installation are missing" and when I clicked on details it says that libsqlite3-0(>=3.3.5) is missing
May 28 00:14:59 <T12U> sorry for all the newbie questions
May 28 00:15:00 <pulsar_> switch to the xterm
May 28 00:15:03 <pulsar_> and type:
May 28 00:15:12 <pulsar_> apt-cache search libsqlite
May 28 00:15:44 <pulsar_> if its there, install it by "apt-get install libsqlite3"
May 28 00:16:21 <pulsar_> otherwise you will need to figure out which repository offers it and add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list file and try again.
May 28 00:17:33 <pulsar_> ah, ic.
May 28 00:17:46 <pulsar_> you will need the extras repository.
May 28 00:18:21 <pulsar_> make sure "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras mistral non-fre" is in your sources.list
May 28 00:19:21 <T12U> well I tried the apt-get install libsqlite command and got "E: Could not openopen lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/locl - open (13 permissi)
May 28 00:19:30 <pulsar_> close the other application first.
May 28 00:19:30 <T12U> ok I'll try that
May 28 00:19:36 <pulsar_> that software management
May 28 00:20:05 <pulsar_> they do lock the repository so no other application an modify the apt database in while they are running.
May 28 00:20:26 <pulsar_> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ btw
May 28 00:22:31 <pulsar_> i'm off, nite!
May 28 00:22:40 <T12U> ok thanks for your help
May 28 00:35:52 <trevarthan> Anyone here use Bacula? http://www.bacula.org/
May 28 00:36:13 <trevarthan> Thinking about packaging a bacula client for OS 2007.
May 28 00:36:48 <trevarthan> firmware level backups don't seem to be working out with 0xFFFF. It's too fragile a process.
May 28 00:37:52 <trevarthan> rsync works. But I'm not having any real luck preserving file ownership when backing up to a non-privileged user on a remote system, so that won't be useful for "bare metal recovery".
May 28 00:38:21 <trevarthan> tar would probably do the job, but the tar packaged with busybox is fairly crippled.
May 28 00:39:17 <trevarthan> So... I'm thinking bacula. It's a beast to set up. But it's automated, I've used it before and know it works quite well for bare metal recovery.
May 28 00:39:53 <trevarthan> I hate doing that though. I'd probably be the only person using it on the n800 due to bacula's learning curve.
May 28 00:40:06 <trevarthan> Any ideas?
May 28 00:40:42 <trevarthan> Oh, and I don't think cpio would work either. Something about being incompatible across CPU archs or something.
May 28 00:55:36 <trevarthan> hmmmm... that's odd. `du -hcx -d 1 /` on my n800 reports different numbers than running the following on the rsync backup I made just now on a remote machine: `du -hc --max-depth 1 n800-backup-dir/`
May 28 00:56:56 <trevarthan> My remote machine reports 286M as the size of the filesystem, whereas the n800 reports 245.5M as the size. It isn't just one dir that is skewed. They're all slightly larger on the remote machine. What could account for the discrepancy?
May 28 01:00:04 <javamaniac> trevarthan, maybe the filesystem inode size by default
May 28 01:06:56 <trevarthan> ah. I guess that makes sense. Interesting.
May 28 01:08:28 <trevarthan> ok. I guess rsync works alright so long as you run it as root on the remote machine. It preserves the file ownerships then.
May 28 01:09:24 <trevarthan> So rsync is a good one-off method. I still think I'll attempt to package a bacula client for the n800 so I can benefit from the automatic scheduling though.
May 28 01:16:41 <javamaniac> trevarthan, i think something like conduit is more suitable for this kind of task, it's in development still but looks promissing
May 28 01:16:55 <javamaniac> trevarthan, http://www.conduit-project.org/
May 28 01:53:19 <trevarthan> javamaniac: no, I'm specifically interested in backing up my third part applications. Last time I got the dreaded white screen of death it took 5 straight hours to reinstall them. I want to automate that reinstall process.
May 28 01:54:07 <javamaniac> mm, interesting
May 28 01:55:49 <trevarthan> honestly, bare metal recovery is a recurring theme in the administration of any system. Whether it be a linux server, a windows workstation, or anything in between. I don't see why a laptop or a tablet PC should be any different.
May 28 01:56:16 <trevarthan> In fact, it's much easier with a tablet as there is significantly less to backup and restore.
May 28 01:57:12 <javamaniac> yes, you're right, but think about the little amount of computationa resources of , by example, a n800
May 28 01:57:20 <javamaniac> computational*
May 28 02:00:04 <trevarthan> yeah, backups usually aren't cpu bound. they're usually i/o bound, unless compression is used.
May 28 02:01:03 <trevarthan> bacula uses md5sums for incrementals. not sure how slow that will be on an n800.
May 28 02:03:01 <trevarthan> really, i probably won't care as long as the backup takes place late enough and finishes before i wake up.
May 28 02:03:09 <javamaniac> hehe
May 28 02:03:44 <javamaniac> ok, but please, do performance test , to see how much impact it cause
May 28 02:04:18 <javamaniac> maybe some tweaks can be made, to make a efficient backup tool
May 28 02:06:01 <trevarthan> yeah, i did the rsync over ssh backup just now and it maxed out the cpu, but finished in less than an hour. don't know exactly how long it took. i'll try to record that next time.
May 28 02:07:10 <trevarthan> soon as i finish walking my dogs i'll start a bacula client compile and then i'll time a similar bacula backup.
May 28 02:07:44 <trevarthan> irssi + thumbs = cool.
May 28 02:17:43 <trevarthan> If anyone is interested in my rsync backup method: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800#Network_Backups
May 28 02:18:05 <trevarthan> Note that I haven't tested a restore yet. However, it *should* work. :)
May 28 02:46:34 <kennethd> trevarthan: so you set up your n800 user with your linux root account's public key? all of my linux machines disallow root login via ssh
May 28 02:48:18 <kennethd> I think a tar.gz backup might be better?.. can then scp/rsync it to a regular remote account
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