**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 28 02:59:56 2007 May 28 03:00:29 kennethd: no. I use password login on my root account. not public key. I know, it's a security risk, but I think you'll find that it's not all that uncommon in the linux world. May 28 03:01:11 kennethd: Yes, tar.gz would be better, if the default busybox tar wasn't crippled. It doesn't support critical options like -p. May 28 03:01:34 trevarthan: also, i'm curious: why choose xjournal over maemopad+ ? May 28 03:03:26 kennethd: lots of reasons. First of all, I use the sketching functionality the most, and xournal implements it about 10 times better than maemopad+. In maemopad+, getting a new page is like 3 or 4 clicks. In xournal, it's one click. In maemopad, the page size is limited to slightly larger than the screen size. In xournal, the page size is a full letter size page. May 28 03:03:47 I could go on. xournal is light years ahead of maemopad+ IMO. May 28 03:03:54 trevarthan: ahh, I didn't realize that. that sucks, I just recovered from my 1st need to flash the factory os & have been looking for a backup solution & was planning on using tar May 28 03:05:21 well, I don't like the root thing either. If you find a better way, let me know. Oh, BTW, I discounted cpio too. Apparently a page I read mentioned that it has compatibility issues between CPU archs and memory archs. May 28 03:06:07 I'm not sure what that leaves you with besides rsync (and root logins), or some more complicated backup system, like bacula or amanda. May 28 03:07:05 maemopad+ is annoying, I agree, I was just curious what your reasons were. May 28 03:08:54 kennethd: yeah, try xournal. you might like it. May 28 05:35:05 totally offtopic but very cool science experiment May 28 05:35:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw May 28 06:15:01 anyone in May 28 06:56:41 pupnik: I prefer the video with the blonde. May 28 08:26:27 good morning May 28 08:35:26 morning May 28 08:40:31 good morning May 28 09:02:55 Pupnik May 28 09:03:09 i think figured out this rotate for pose May 28 09:03:17 landscape May 28 09:08:16 hi *, i'm tring to compile the hildon-desktop within scratchbox but I got many errors, i'm actually blocked with the following: May 28 09:10:01 hd-desktop.c:45:34: hildon/hildon-banner.h: No such file or directory May 28 09:10:01 hd-desktop.c:46:32: hildon/hildon-note.h: No such file or directory May 28 09:10:01 hd-desktop.c: In function `hd_desktop_launch_banner_show': May 28 09:10:01 hd-desktop.c:138: warning: implicit declaration of function `hildon_banner_show_animation' May 28 09:10:01 hd-desktop.c: In function `hd_desktop_create_note_infoprint': May 28 09:10:02 hd-desktop.c:1050: error: `HILDON_TYPE_BANNER' undeclared (first use in this function) May 28 09:10:04 hd-desktop.c:1050: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once May 28 09:10:06 hd-desktop.c:1050: error: for each function it appears in.) May 28 09:10:08 any hint? May 28 09:11:01 well don't know where to find hildon/hildon-banner.h, guess in hildon-libs but not sure May 28 09:12:53 pna, libhildon1 May 28 09:13:18 pna, and libhildon1-dev to be exact May 28 09:13:30 great so actually need to build that, k tahnx May 28 09:16:04 pna, well, you can also grab it as deb from sardine May 28 09:19:28 anybody know if there is a way to tell gnomevfs to use passive or active ftp ? May 28 09:22:27 inz, thanx May 28 09:26:16 melmoth, I'd guess no (I think it only uses passive) May 28 09:27:16 melmoth, from gnome svn: /* FIXME bugzilla.eazel.com 1464: implement non-PASV mode */ May 28 09:27:27 grumble. That s funny now May 28 09:28:15 my ftp transfert fails without warning on my development machine, wget fails as well (with 'bad port') except if i use --passive-ftp or something May 28 09:43:08 wow ok i get succeful compiled the hildon-desktop with my changes, build also the deb files with dpkg-buildpackage scped those files to the n800 and tried to dpkg -i *.deb May 28 09:43:35 aand i got many May 28 09:43:54 dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `MANY PACKAGES' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. May 28 09:44:09 i guess could be some problem with May 28 09:45:37 with some directory with the data.tar.gz file May 28 09:46:35 have I to move the hildon-desktop directory in some specific path to compile it with dpkg-build? May 28 09:57:17 inz: hmm actually i only experience the problem when i use gnomevfs in scratchbox, in a xen host. May 28 09:58:13 a scratchbox in a real machine works perfectly. Must be a problem with xen bridging(wich i m clueless about) May 28 10:04:28 melmoth, passive ftp shouldn't require anything special (unless you limit outbound connections to certain ports) May 28 10:13:32 hi, I wonder if anyone can give a force with this problem..i am trying to install a deb in the SDK using fakeroot dpkg -i jiboia.deb and i get dpkg: error processing jiboia.deb (--install): error creating directory `./home/user': Permission denied May 28 10:14:41 the deb is lintian and linda clean May 28 10:14:50 ian, that's because you don't have permissions to /home in scratchbox May 28 10:16:49 is this for some reason? May 28 10:19:25 ian_brasil_, is your user named user? May 28 11:03:58 I have a nokia770 with Asterisk (voip server) running on it. I am root and things run fine. Is there any way to change the runlevel or a special combination of keys during startup so the gui doesn't start and precious memory and cpu cycles can be saved. May 28 13:16:26 les May 28 13:21:03 what is the chat client for n800 May 28 13:21:20 widely used chat client in n800 :) May 28 13:21:22 irc? May 28 13:22:13 for irc, xchat is popular May 28 13:23:21 ssh? May 28 13:24:35 * pupnik wonders what to work on May 28 13:25:52 hi, sometimes when in ssh on my n800 try to apt-get upgrade or update or even apt-get -f install, then when is time to respond Y or n to the questio, if I'm sure... i get May 28 13:26:03 22 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 47 not upgraded. May 28 13:26:03 Need to get 3940kB of archives. May 28 13:26:03 After unpacking 2130kB of additional disk space will be used. May 28 13:26:03 Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y May 28 13:26:03 Abort. May 28 13:26:04 Nokia-N800-10:~# May 28 13:26:30 if i do it on the xterm in the n800 everything goes smooth May 28 13:26:32 capital Y May 28 13:26:38 even with capital May 28 13:27:00 it doesn't matter if it's capital, the capital letter just marks that it's the default option May 28 13:27:08 oh May 28 13:27:11 heh May 28 13:27:19 yeah thats for the default option May 28 13:27:22 the same May 28 13:27:28 if i just press enter May 28 13:31:08 maybe some dropbear problem? some cr that not have to go? maybe some xterm-osso problem? maybe the apt package, i don't know, even i can't understand May 28 14:09:56 hello May 28 14:10:06 now when i start login scratchbox i have a new error: May 28 14:10:14 ERROR: '/opt/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid' is not suid ROOT May 28 14:10:44 you did install it as root, right? May 28 14:12:08 thanks May 28 14:12:13 but ihave resolved with chmod u+s /opt/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid May 28 14:12:16 :) May 28 14:12:24 thx dpb May 28 14:12:47 np May 28 15:03:27 i don't have af-sb-init.sh in my scratchbox :( May 28 15:04:17 did you install the rootstrap? May 28 15:05:50 yes part May 28 15:06:11 with sb-conf May 28 15:06:18 no sb-menu May 28 15:07:04 part this rootstrap ==> Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz May 28 15:07:08 it's good ? May 28 15:07:55 no, that's not a full rootstrap, that's just the non-free binaries May 28 15:08:15 where is full rootstrap May 28 15:08:16 ? May 28 15:08:23 :( May 28 15:11:05 seems to be under http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/bora/ May 28 15:11:40 the *rootstrap*.tgz files in i386 and arm directories May 28 15:11:52 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/i386/ May 28 15:12:03 Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz May 28 15:12:10 well May 28 15:12:17 it's good May 28 15:12:19 if you are going for 2.2, yeah May 28 15:12:20 the simplest method is to let the installer script do its job May 28 15:12:28 oki thx part May 28 15:12:35 ah 2.2 May 28 15:13:02 ;) May 28 15:18:27 it's good guardian part ;) May 28 15:18:32 thanks :) May 28 17:01:27 hello everyone May 28 17:02:29 what do you do here ?? May 28 17:04:19 i do have an n800 May 28 18:00:14 <`0660> user__, congratulations on that :) May 28 18:08:47 hi guys, anyone tried angstrom on their 770 ? May 28 18:28:32 Hmmm.... I'm going to try to build irssi with perl support. May 28 18:29:02 perl was once my favourite language May 28 18:29:03 perl-base is installed, but irssi's configure says it can't link with perl's libraries. Where are they located? May 28 18:29:05 briefly May 28 18:29:46 Perl's OK, until you start having to mess with cpan. :) May 28 18:33:23 is perl something new in os 2007? I read a lot of people wishing that the 770 had perl... May 28 18:33:39 but clearly perl-base exists and /usr/bin/perl exists... May 28 18:35:39 Not on my N800 they don't May 28 18:36:35 on my n800: perl-base-5.8.3-3osso6 May 28 18:36:54 maybe not installed by default, but looks like an official nokia package. May 28 18:36:56 Also note that scratchbox has one version of perl, which has absolutely nothing to do with stuff on the device May 28 18:37:35 perl-base is available from some 3rd party repository May 28 18:37:37 Where does it come from? May 28 18:37:41 indt's perhaps? May 28 18:37:44 I don't remember May 28 18:38:05 or maybe maemo-hackers? May 28 18:38:22 I have one maemo-hackers repo, no perl-base May 28 18:39:19 I have the "official" repos I know and apt-cache search returns nothing May 28 18:39:58 Aloha! May 28 18:41:49 do I have to run something after adding a line to /etc/apt/sources.list? May 28 18:42:12 apt-get update May 28 18:42:59 zuh: thanks May 28 18:44:55 does apt-cache search what is available in the repos? Or just what is installed on the machine? May 28 18:45:15 trying to find a way to do something like `yum search perl-base` with apt tools. May 28 18:47:11 Hmm, I'm not sure if it looks in the dpkg database... But if you need to find out, apt-cache policy will tell where it originates May 28 18:50:12 trevarthan: apt-cache search searches what was in the repositories at the time you last did apt-get update May 28 18:55:47 not a clue where that deb comes from. I added everything from my n800's /etc/apt/sources.list to my sdk's /etc/apt/sources.list then ran `apt-get update` and then `apt-cache search perl-base` and I still only see the SDK's "perl-base - perl-base from Scratchbox" May 28 18:56:23 anyway, I guess it doesn't really matter. I can statically link perl into irssi if necessary. I just need to fix the configure issues, I think. May 28 18:59:35 trevarthan: perpahs it's a configuration issues like "arm" v.c armel May 28 19:09:44 keesj: perl-base came with the sdk. I don't know how that would be possible... May 28 19:10:52 I could , I guess it depends on how you setup the repository no? May 28 19:11:55 dunno. I'm going through the configure script now trying to extract the flag info so I can perform the test they're using myself and see if I can tweak it. May 28 20:54:43 Hi! is there a way to get gps information for python, i've been googling a lot, but didn't get any conclusive answers :/ May 28 20:55:39 Hi Lyndon! gps binding is in our plans to the next pymaemo release May 28 20:57:23 nice, well then i have time to learn more python ;) May 28 20:57:39 Lyndon, for sure :) May 28 21:21:05 :) May 28 21:22:11 can anyone please tell me how i can edit my hosts file? May 28 21:23:44 chibiace: vi /etc/hosts May 28 21:24:51 lol vi is not my thing, i tried echo blah >> hosts May 28 21:26:36 perhaps my problem is becomming root May 28 21:27:37 chibiace: two choices: enabling R&D mode or install becameroot May 28 21:28:23 which is better/easier May 28 21:29:30 install becameroot package May 28 21:36:44 thanks! May 29 02:00:36 * pupnik ponders May 29 02:07:44 * pupnik wants IT2007 theme without border around window May 29 02:08:04 mo pixels mo bettuh May 29 02:08:42 lol bettuh May 29 02:26:15 quiet May 29 02:30:26 71961600 May 29 04:22 wtmp May 29 02:30:29 sheesh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 29 02:59:57 2007