**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 03 02:59:58 2007 Jun 03 03:19:39 anyone knows how to turn off that click noise the D-Pad does? Jun 03 03:19:47 I mean, programaticly? Jun 03 03:32:08 cesman, you can install linux on it... Jun 03 03:39:30 it will probably have poor HW support, right? Jun 03 04:00:54 Greetings folks Jun 03 04:01:03 My N800 just keeps rebooting Jun 03 04:01:18 Any ideas how to track down the cause Jun 03 04:10:14 pity, I was just about to help him Jun 03 05:08:17 Hi Jun 03 05:08:33 cesman: It's early here :p Jun 03 05:08:39 and sunday :p Jun 03 05:18:10 still saturday evening here Jun 03 05:19:27 sunday morning around 7 o clock :p Jun 03 07:51:23 there is a bug in chess Jun 03 07:51:54 the computer is allowed to attack pawns sideways Jun 03 07:52:22 with other pawns Jun 03 07:54:04 why does my hand fall asleep using the stylist Jun 03 08:26:21 hi Jun 03 08:26:25 zbowling|n800: its sounds like the pragmatic developers "select on unix is broken" Jun 03 08:26:33 how can i kill metalayer-crawler ? Jun 03 08:26:57 the buggy pos is locking my mmc1 Jun 03 08:27:11 * osfameron kicks his n800 Jun 03 08:27:36 osfameron: I am also constantly searching for the pin reset :p Jun 03 08:27:50 osfameron: like on linux usually.. /etc/init.d/metalayer-whatever stop Jun 03 08:28:09 ah! in /etc/init.d, ta Jun 03 08:28:41 can i stop the useless thing from /evr/ starting up again? Jun 03 08:30:23 maybe the n800's successor will have ironed out the usability issues that make this so utterly hateful Jun 03 08:30:31 where can I find the midgard wiki syntax? Jun 03 08:30:43 suihkulo1ki: thanks Jun 03 08:41:06 keesj: I always had to resort to google.. markdown IIRC Jun 03 08:48:22 thanks I will try to experiment .. a preview would have been nice Jun 03 08:50:16 zbowling|n800: are you sure it's not this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_passant Jun 03 09:13:07 I am a bit confused at to where to file bugs for the website is that in the Maemo website build with Midgard CMS or in bugzilla? Jun 03 09:13:48 osfameron: You might be interested in http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/27/maemo-service-handler/ Jun 03 11:59:13 Jippie! 3 gig remaining on my rootfs after boot from mmc2 ! Jun 03 12:10:05 what would be a go start if I want to use the a n800 and a 770 af walky talky? Jun 03 12:15:43 funny gizmo added msn and jabber chat! Jun 03 16:06:08 hello folks Jun 03 16:13:51 hello Jun 03 16:15:58 hey gla55 , do know anything about Gconf? Jun 03 16:16:05 not really Jun 03 16:17:29 do you have any of the maemo devices? Jun 03 16:18:13 <`0660> i know something about gconf Jun 03 16:18:22 <`0660> and i have a maemo device Jun 03 16:19:05 do you know what gconf key I have to temporarily disable the d-pad "click" sound? Jun 03 16:19:13 and what device do you have? Jun 03 16:19:17 <`0660> no Jun 03 16:19:20 <`0660> and i have n800 Jun 03 16:21:58 so, can you please check a gconf key for me? Jun 03 16:22:27 its /apps/osso/osso-device-applet Jun 03 16:22:48 <`0660> ok Jun 03 16:23:09 thanks Jun 03 16:23:35 (I bet I can use this to identify if my game is running on a n770 or a n800 Jun 03 16:23:38 ) Jun 03 16:23:54 <`0660> i don't have that key Jun 03 16:24:11 strange... Jun 03 16:24:15 <`0660> i do have /apps/osso/osso-applet-device though... Jun 03 16:24:30 and what it does read? Jun 03 16:24:35 <`0660> but it only contains a key called "device_name" Jun 03 16:24:46 and what it contains? Jun 03 16:25:08 <`0660> the name i gave for the device Jun 03 16:25:52 ok...so it was a coincidence I gave my 770 the name "nokia 770" heheh ;-p Jun 03 16:26:02 <`0660> :P Jun 03 16:26:04 but that key can be useful ... Jun 03 16:26:07 thanks =-) Jun 03 16:26:12 going to lunch... Jun 03 16:26:13 BRB Jun 03 16:49:54 Anyone know where I might be able to snag a .deb for mutt or pine on the 800? Jun 03 16:57:17 if it's not in the garage it probably hasn't been ported Jun 03 16:57:37 thx drag Jun 03 16:57:49 trying to find a reasonable mail cleint :P Jun 03 16:57:51 garage.maemo.com i think Jun 03 16:58:03 or maybe .org. Looks like .org from the topic Jun 03 16:58:19 being curses and terminal, it probably wouldn't be too hard to port yourself if you grabbed the devkit Jun 03 16:58:19 pine is listed, no linked deb Jun 03 16:58:37 try googling, might be able to find the persons home page w/ packages Jun 03 16:58:52 Aye, I think it'd be simply a compile, no pc for a couple months though Jun 03 17:01:22 it's not as useful as you'd hope though, since it's a small screen, cut in half by using the on-screen keyboard Jun 03 17:01:37 (having run other curses apps, you really face some size problems) Jun 03 17:02:56 perhaps I'll have to look for a different mail app that someone has already ported Jun 03 17:20:58 so, folks...whtas going on? Jun 03 17:21:05 any news from your personal projects? Jun 03 17:23:58 neostrider: Have you checked UKMP? Jun 03 17:24:07 1.0 on wednesday Jun 03 17:24:28 1.01 brewing currently. Jun 03 17:25:32 no Jun 03 17:25:45 actually, I dont even know what it is Jun 03 17:26:00 sorry Jun 03 17:26:03 can u explain to me? Jun 03 17:27:10 music player. Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCIANUJ-ctg Jun 03 17:27:21 2 minutes. shows it pretty completely Jun 03 17:34:48 konttori : starting the video....nice theme on the device ;-) Jun 03 17:35:10 thanks. It's nuvo. Jun 03 17:37:36 by the way Jun 03 17:37:39 really COOL! Jun 03 17:37:47 have you tested on 770? Jun 03 17:37:51 Yeah Jun 03 17:37:59 Works just fine Jun 03 17:38:01 what did you used for this?SDL? Jun 03 17:38:11 SDL. Yeah. and python Jun 03 17:38:13 I will try then =-) Jun 03 17:38:26 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/05/ukmp-10-outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi.html Jun 03 17:38:28 looks, for me as a simpler take on the same task as canola Jun 03 17:38:38 You need to have python installed. Jun 03 17:38:59 I tried to keep it as straight forward to use as possible Jun 03 17:39:00 THAT is a problem Jun 03 17:39:07 I dont have acess to wifi right now... Jun 03 17:39:59 You don't have any version installed? Jun 03 17:40:52 a shame. Anyway, try it out when you can and let me know if you have improvement ideas. Jun 03 17:42:15 I'm at the moment working on making small improvements all around, but not feature changes. Basically the usual stuff for 1.01. Jun 03 17:43:28 * neostrider wishes to reach 1.0 for his game too Jun 03 17:44:10 what are you working on? Jun 03 17:44:31 1.0 is just a number, just like 15 Jun 03 17:45:04 a 3D tron game Jun 03 17:45:24 1.0 Is a big thing. It means that you feel that the app is ready for normal consumer use. Jun 03 17:45:29 yeah..."I want to reach stability and a good finish...just like UKMP" Jun 03 17:45:42 the game is quite simple indeed Jun 03 17:45:57 there is no usability issues at all Jun 03 17:46:11 just "press ok to play or escape at anytime to exit" Jun 03 17:46:12 Sounds like a really nice one. Do you have current screenshots? Jun 03 17:46:16 sure Jun 03 17:46:23 I have indeed a .deb Jun 03 17:46:29 Do you use the pen to steer? Jun 03 17:46:38 but I wouldnt recommend it yet Jun 03 17:46:41 no Jun 03 17:46:43 the rocker Jun 03 17:46:47 its simpler Jun 03 17:46:57 but thats a good idea... Jun 03 17:47:03 I feel that the rocker is such a poor design in n800. Jun 03 17:47:09 http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/05/26/angstron-major-optimizations/ Jun 03 17:47:21 yeah..the 770 is a bit better, I guess Jun 03 17:47:39 I think so too. Jun 03 17:47:40 (never ever touched a n800 ,but as with the pictures...) Jun 03 17:47:50 All the buttons in 770 are better than in n800. Jun 03 17:47:52 even more for a game developer Jun 03 17:48:21 I guess the "smooth body" design of the n800 makes it poor for fast action games Jun 03 17:48:29 its harder to find the keys Jun 03 17:48:44 older pictures: http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/angstron-alpha-2-on-its-way/ Jun 03 17:49:04 it looks pretty cool. Does it do over 15 fps? Jun 03 17:50:25 not even nearly that heheh Jun 03 17:50:42 I get (what I think its) 7 fps on best cases Jun 03 17:50:48 but it is playable Jun 03 17:51:12 (the game its self is already very hard on a 1Ghz desktop system, with no speed issues!) Jun 03 17:51:23 (to test the later levels, I had to cheat) Jun 03 17:57:16 but on the other hand Jun 03 17:57:24 that is a multi purpose game engine Jun 03 17:57:43 its not "optimized for doing TRON 3D games" Jun 03 17:57:59 indeed Im working on a "FIRST PERSON SNIPER GAME" Jun 03 17:58:04 and a RPG Jun 03 18:08:39 is it possible to enable usb network on an N800 with default kernel? Jun 03 18:12:42 sbaturzio, yes Jun 03 18:13:45 so this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_usb_networking_bora.html must be updated Jun 03 18:16:07 sbaturzio, whet's wrong ? Jun 03 18:16:18 sbaturzio, what's wrong ? Jun 03 18:16:51 it tells: "In order to use USB networking on your device, you need to have a development root filesystem flashed into it." Jun 03 18:17:51 You're right Jun 03 18:18:32 and some things are missing : load the g_ether.ko module Jun 03 18:19:11 sbaturzio, the wiki is up-to-date Jun 03 18:19:19 now I'm following this howto: "http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/" and seems much better :-) Jun 03 18:23:26 sbaturzio, I followed this too Jun 03 18:23:51 sbaturzio, and I uses the useful script provided here : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworkingwinxp/ Jun 03 18:24:07 sbaturzio, to stop/start the usbnet network Jun 03 18:26:29 yes, that script seems ver useful Jun 03 18:26:46 now we need only a .desktop file to include them on menu :-) Jun 03 18:27:42 UKMP looks sexy Jun 03 18:27:47 With IDEA, You can add cutom shortcuts on the desktop Jun 03 18:28:55 sbaturzio, but menu entries are nicer Jun 03 18:29:16 is ther a toc trick for the new wiki? Jun 03 18:59:49 keesj: Glad to hear you like it. Jun 03 19:06:16 keesj: Did you test it out? Jun 03 19:19:48 * cesman is away: Gone away for now. Jun 03 19:26:51 konttori: not yet Jun 03 19:27:21 My collection is not very well organized ... Jun 03 19:33:06 I am so happy with my mmc based rootfs! it totaly changes the way I think about maemo devices Jun 03 19:36:27 konttori: you are right the dark skin looks better! Jun 03 19:36:41 and this is python + gtk? Jun 03 19:39:39 yeah. python + sdl. Jun 03 19:39:58 ok sdl.. Jun 03 19:40:37 I'll try to have a look at the light skin to make it look a bit better. Jun 03 19:41:10 ukmp will orgamize your music automatically. Jun 03 19:41:22 It reads the id3 tags and sorts them by album. Jun 03 19:44:08 konttori: any ogg vorbis support on the roadmap ? :) Jun 03 19:45:15 sure. Jun 03 19:45:25 Hmm... Might even be possible in the very near term. Jun 03 19:46:09 I've already kind of pre-tested it, so it's not that far away. Jun 03 19:49:07 \o/ great ;) Jun 03 19:49:29 I just don't use ogg, so it hasn't been priority to me Jun 03 19:58:07 Oh, I would just need to know the ogg sink name and installation stuff for testing. Jun 03 20:00:29 There's no "ogg sink", only parser for the ogg format (it's a container) and decoders for the stuff inside (theora/vorbis/whatever) Jun 03 20:00:53 Or I guess parser==demuxer more accurately Jun 03 20:01:24 Umm... So can I then pass it to dspmp3sink? Jun 03 20:01:40 tremor (the integer-only decoder for vorbis, the fastest one) IIRC does both though. Jun 03 20:02:02 To dsppcmsink Jun 03 20:02:32 dspmp3sink only handles mp3 AFAIK Jun 03 20:03:23 Yeah. makes sense. I was just looking at barbieris python player and it seemed to use dspmp3 for both. Jun 03 20:03:34 OTOH, I haven't tested it, so it might not work Jun 03 20:03:35 http://www.gustavobarbieri.com.br/eagle/examples/player-maemo.py Jun 03 20:08:35 Ok, i'll try asking kulve tomorrow Jun 03 20:08:44 konttori: that's mine, what's up? Jun 03 20:08:47 He seems to be the author of the ogg komponents Jun 03 20:08:59 Yeah, he made the debs Jun 03 20:09:03 Oh, just thinking of adding ogg support to ukmp Jun 03 20:09:34 konttori: is it gst or what? Jun 03 20:09:35 Just wondering how I should build the gst player Jun 03 20:09:37 yeah Jun 03 20:09:45 just create another pipeline Jun 03 20:09:55 Like, e.g. pipeline call for that would be nice. Jun 03 20:10:10 unfortunately you can't use playbin or decodebin :-( Jun 03 20:10:16 as in: self.player = gst.parse_launch( "gnomevfssrc name=source ! dsppcmsink name=sink" ) -> to somerhing that playes ogg ;) Jun 03 20:10:26 ah Jun 03 20:10:30 Add "tremor" in between Jun 03 20:10:38 that'll do it Jun 03 20:10:46 maybe you should use tremor and add to some sink, like esd or pcmsink Jun 03 20:10:55 Really? I don't have to take any callbacks from it, do I? Jun 03 20:11:28 Like this: gnomevfssrc name=source ! tremor name=decoder ! dsppcmsink name=sink Jun 03 20:11:34 konttori: no, why should you? Jun 03 20:11:40 Just wondering Jun 03 20:11:56 i think that something like you suggested is fine Jun 03 20:12:01 but cool that I don't have to! Jun 03 20:12:09 you can pollute it with some queue and other things, but basically it's that Jun 03 20:12:19 ok. cool stuff Jun 03 20:12:25 you can ask bilboed or some other gst hackers that hang around Jun 03 20:12:43 konttori: I'd go with mplayer myself :-P Jun 03 20:13:07 http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/maemo/catota/ Jun 03 20:13:11 code is there to handle things Jun 03 20:13:13 it's an example GTK ui Jun 03 20:13:37 for mplayer? Jun 03 20:13:51 yep Jun 03 20:14:05 it's an experiment (catota means "snot" in pt_BR) Jun 03 20:14:25 very interesting Jun 03 20:14:50 But, I'd like music player to stay just that: music player. Jun 03 20:15:12 konttori: ok, mplayer can play music just fine Jun 03 20:15:14 So, I thik your ogg libs are wonderfull for that. Jun 03 20:15:29 and manage playlists and play ogg, wma and everything you can compile in it Jun 03 20:16:24 indeed. It's a wonderful program Jun 03 20:18:45 How come ogg support is 1.9 megs? Quite a lot. Jun 03 20:19:02 Is it full of precompilation tables? Jun 03 20:19:19 precompiled lookup tables Jun 03 20:22:42 accidentally left unstripped? Jun 03 20:27:29 sweet. Ogg works now. Jun 03 20:27:46 ok, but my test song sucks so deep. Jun 03 20:27:54 Have - to - stop - it Jun 03 20:29:55 konttori: free software song? Jun 03 20:30:12 olen omena. olen pyöreä omeena. Jun 03 20:30:18 Nope. I don't remember where I got the song Jun 03 20:30:27 never heard Jun 03 20:30:32 link perhaps? Jun 03 20:30:40 zuh: thanks, checking Jun 03 20:39:17 AFAIK, some companys build their products based on Hildon framework and don't open their source code now . eg: the MIDINUX. What can I do with them ? Jun 03 20:39:47 I think the maemo community need do sth ... Jun 03 20:41:39 mhzhu: have them to cry... eheheh Jun 03 20:43:27 Hi to all ... Jun 03 20:43:31 mhzhu: do they ship Midinux already? Jun 03 20:47:02 not yet now , I saw MiDINUX in IDF. The MIDLINUX is the product of Red Flag Software , and the Red Flag Software has vilotaed GPL before . Jun 03 20:48:20 mhzhu: however, there is nothing to complain about if they don't distribute it. Jun 03 20:49:19 the (L)GPL only kicks in if they ship their product with (L)GPL components. Jun 03 20:50:04 all right. ukmp has now sweet support for ogg Jun 03 20:51:20 oh , I see. But if they don't open the source code when they distribute the MIDLINUX. What can the community of maemo.org do ? Jun 03 20:52:04 In deed, I don't believe Red Flag Software, they has vilotaed GPL many times Jun 03 20:52:49 mhzhu: GPL just states that if you give someone a binary, you have to give hime/her the source as well Jun 03 20:53:01 mhzhu: do you have MIDLINUX binaries= Jun 03 20:53:03 ? Jun 03 20:53:36 mhzhu: there are two parties that can sue: the original authors and/or someone who got the midilinux binaries and got no sourcecode on request. Jun 03 20:54:09 redflag is not obligued to make their version of the sources available to *everybody* Jun 03 20:56:15 I see. My boss give me a demo of MIDLINUX for testing , not product. They said the MIDLINUX will be shiped in the later of 2007. Jun 03 20:56:21 only to anyone who can present the gpl offer Jun 03 20:56:22 I asked red-flag for the source code but no reply. I hope the redflag will open the source code to their consumer Jun 03 20:57:15 mhzhu: actually you'd probably have to ask your boss :) Jun 03 20:57:24 (since he distributed the software to you...) Jun 03 20:57:52 and if he got that from redflag he should have gotten a written offer for the sourcecode. Jun 03 20:59:37 mhzhu: mhm yeah, since you have the binaries, you can definetly demand sources from them Jun 03 21:01:33 suihkulo1ki: he can ask for the sources from the party distributing the binaries to him. Jun 03 21:03:22 hehe , my boss said I need to ask for the source code myself and the redflag sofrware give me no reply . Jun 03 21:03:31 Anyway , I hope the source of MIDLINUX will be opened when it mass market. Jun 03 21:04:10 ASFAIK, the redflag software is the first company that build their product on Hildon framework except Nokia . I think the community need to pay attention to MIDLINUX ... Jun 03 21:19:33 does the n800 handle large sd cards yet (> 2G)? Jun 03 21:21:12 edt: it does with a custom kernel Jun 03 21:21:39 does latest n800 kernel update handle cards bigger than 2G ? Jun 03 21:21:48 zakx thanks Jun 03 21:21:49 afaik you can use 8gb sdhc cards with a custom kernel Jun 03 21:22:26 how tricky is setting up to compile your own (I do this locally for my boxes) Jun 03 21:22:51 so it more of a tool chain type of question Jun 03 21:23:07 i haven't done that yet, but i guess it's a binary kernel anyway Jun 03 21:23:28 so you should be able to apt-get it Jun 03 21:23:47 no. There will be binary modules but the kernel should be buildable Jun 03 21:24:37 that does make it easier Jun 03 21:24:54 guess you'll be able to build your own using scratchbox Jun 03 21:25:04 as long as you can trust the source - which is usually not an issue. Jun 03 21:25:09 but there are precompiled kernels for that purpose Jun 03 21:26:44 * edt birthday is coming up and he has been hinting - she get jewellery I get gadgets... fingers crossed Jun 03 21:28:38 the video of Midinux(based on Hildon framework) --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IALqu7EKUTw , I hope I can migrate maemo to the machine :) Jun 03 21:29:20 there a few nice things in the pipe line for the kernel. A new scheduler which works more fairly and new filesystem designed with flash in mind (the current ones have been retro fitted to flash - they were more aimed at images on 'ram' disks) Jun 03 21:30:55 by 'the kernel' I mean the generic linux kernel not one specifically for the n800/n770 Jun 03 22:33:23 * cesman_away is back. Jun 03 23:50:46 Hi Jun 03 23:52:02 Do you know if there's an updated xchat version available for maemo? Jun 03 23:56:00 I found maemo-xchat for os2007, but no releasevfor n770 :( why? Jun 04 00:04:21 is there usb host mode yet? Jun 04 01:14:48 waz up peepz Jun 04 01:33:58 usb host mode? Jun 04 01:33:59 bump Jun 04 01:34:01 does it exist yet Jun 04 01:34:13 i've watned a n800 for a while but no way in hell am i getting one sans usb host Jun 04 01:34:31 even if the only alternative is a cowon q5 running windows mobile **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 04 02:59:56 2007