**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 05 02:59:57 2007 Jun 05 04:30:21 is the VPN client for maemo maintained at all? Jun 05 04:31:32 <`0660> i can check it for you if you give the url to the website of that project Jun 05 04:34:27 http://scriptkiller.de/cisco_vpnc_with_nokia_770.php Jun 05 04:34:31 ummm okay Jun 05 04:40:06 <`0660> the last release happened about two months ago Jun 05 04:40:15 <`0660> and nothing has been modified after that Jun 05 04:40:36 <`0660> so i guess it's supposed to work good enough Jun 05 04:40:57 hmmm maybe ill try it again Jun 05 04:41:17 i didnt have much luck last time Jun 05 04:42:12 <`0660> https://script.shacknet.nu:81/vpnc-gui/trunk/debian/changelog Jun 05 04:42:26 <`0660> hmm Jun 05 04:42:50 <`0660> it might not have been tested to work with n800 Jun 05 05:39:21 can anybody help me out with maemo on ubuntu? the only app that came on the emulator was maemopad Jun 05 05:39:36 I've see screen shots of people with xterminal Jun 05 05:41:14 You mean you installed other stuff too but they don't work? Jun 05 05:41:44 I followed the tutorial and when I loaded it up for the first time all it had was maemopad Jun 05 05:41:55 do I need to install xterm manually? Jun 05 05:41:59 Yep Jun 05 05:43:00 oh, ok Jun 05 05:43:50 ..how do I do that? Jun 05 05:45:03 I have never actually had a need for an xterm in maemo. There are probably some good information somewhere in the site or with google maybe. Or perhaps someone else here knows.. Jun 05 05:45:40 I mean in the emulator Jun 05 05:46:05 so how would I run a test app on the emulator? Jun 05 05:46:32 From scratchbox command line Jun 05 05:46:54 Or you make a debian package of your test app and install it Jun 05 05:47:15 install from command line as well? Jun 05 05:47:19 Yep Jun 05 05:48:08 so how do I copy a file from my home directory on to the emulator? Jun 05 05:48:51 Easiest way is to copy it to the /tmp Jun 05 05:48:58 sweet, thanks Jun 05 05:49:14 That's shared by both environments Jun 05 05:49:58 do you know if its possible to get mono running on the emulator? Jun 05 05:55:15 I don't know Jun 05 07:02:10 I was just about to ask if anybody remembered what was the url for the open GPS data site until I remembered that google exists. KVG (lol). openstreetmap is still in its infancy. http://www.openstreetmap.org/ Jun 05 07:05:52 Considering that at least in finland the map data copyright expires in 15 years, it's a wonder no-one has scanned some 16 year old map, mapped streets from it and published it to the site. Jun 05 07:11:49 I would assume that similar law on data derived works exists in other countries as well. Jun 05 07:12:28 In the US it's 70 years, and likely to grow. Jun 05 07:13:34 Is it 70 years for database derived works as well? Jun 05 07:13:51 AFAIK they're treated no differently. Jun 05 07:14:05 We have 50 years (I think) for artistic derived works and 15 for database derived works. Jun 05 07:15:09 oh, no google gears for opera ;/ Jun 05 07:25:19 Hi! Jun 05 07:26:21 Has anyone managed to connect their n800 to wlan using PEAP? Jun 05 07:31:30 livingtm, did you select the cputransp devkit in sb-menu? I recon it wasn't selected in the tutorial, but when I selected it, I got some choices in the next cputransp-related menu Jun 05 07:32:26 Mikho yeah i the tut wasnt clear that you had to select more than one devkit Jun 05 07:32:43 once i did that i was able to select the cpu trans options and compile for armel Jun 05 07:32:51 now im loosing sleep trying to program :-) Jun 05 07:38:08 ok. Just be careful not to select debian-sarge Jun 05 07:43:52 morning Jun 05 08:15:56 Duomio, I'm connected to my university's PEAP network right now Jun 05 08:20:21 Hi to all .... Jun 05 08:38:57 Shackan, we have strong encryption here, I've installed the root certificate etc. but every time I connect I get "network connection failed" w/out any further advice Jun 05 08:39:32 Shackan, I got my Vista and OsX working fine but I just can't get this logged in Jun 05 08:39:50 I should get mschapv2 authentication working somehow Jun 05 08:55:43 what on earth! My ubuntu went completely crazy, started deleting every file I pointed at in file browser Jun 05 09:02:01 luckily they went only to .trash Jun 05 09:07:01 daaaamn! 'unable to update repository', even with just the nokia one, and plenty of free space Jun 05 09:11:58 someone wanted to buy a bluetooth GPS receiver a while ago? I have one for sale now Jun 05 09:12:06 located in Helsinki Jun 05 09:13:40 anyone got full navigation kit for 770 for sale? Jun 05 09:14:48 200¤ is way too much for it Jun 05 09:19:09 Is maemo mapper not good enough for you? (just curious) Jun 05 09:19:26 I haven't tested it much, let alone compared it to a proper navigation software Jun 05 09:19:31 i'd like to use it for real car navigation Jun 05 09:23:01 dropped my 770 onto concrete floor last night Jun 05 09:23:11 no problems :) Jun 05 09:23:29 o/ Nokia Jun 05 09:23:52 konttori: mapper needs to predownload maps, and has no any kind of route planning :( Jun 05 09:24:56 but for 200¤ i can buy a full navigator, so i don't want to pay that for bt gps + software Jun 05 09:25:03 Really. Now, that is deep. It hought it could do it somehow. Jun 05 09:25:15 too bad the sw is not available at piratebay ;) Jun 05 09:37:45 this gobject stuff makes my head hurt. How can I get ConIcStatistcsEvents parent? So that I could use con_ic_event_get_iap_id which needs ConIcEvent pointer Jun 05 09:39:38 Gathaja: probably CON_IC_EVENT (statistics_event) Jun 05 09:40:03 if the ConIcStatisticsEvent is derived from ConIcEvent. Jun 05 09:40:27 compiler didn't complain anything, eeexellent Jun 05 09:40:33 nomis: thanks! Jun 05 09:40:37 you're welcome. Jun 05 09:41:07 type = g_type_register_static (G_TYPE_OBJECT, "ConIcStatisticsEvent", &info, 0); Jun 05 09:41:10 these CON_IC_EVENT things are type-checking casts, so they provide some run-time typesafety (unless you disable them) Jun 05 09:42:07 i.e. statistics event is not a ConIcEvent Jun 05 09:42:50 0_o Jun 05 09:42:58 sigh Jun 05 09:43:03 And CON_IC_EVENT(statistics_event) will cause run time b0rkedness Jun 05 09:43:25 ok, but then it does not make sense at all to use con_ic_event_get_iap_id() on it. Jun 05 09:43:38 :( Jun 05 09:44:09 nomis, imo it would make perfect sense Jun 05 09:44:40 nomis, but I guess the maintainer of libconic disagrees Jun 05 09:45:23 inz: without looking at the sources: If ConIcStatisticsEvent is not derived from ConIcEvent and con_ic_event_get_iap_id() expects a ConIcEvent, then it does not make sense. At least not from a glib/gobject view :) Jun 05 09:45:39 con_ic_event_set_iap_id(CON_IC_EVENT(event), connection->iap_id); Jun 05 09:45:39 con_ic_event_set_bearer_type(CON_IC_EVENT(event), connection->bearer); Jun 05 09:45:44 This is where the fun begins! Jun 05 09:45:56 struct _ConIcStatisticsEvent Jun 05 09:45:57 { ConIcEvent parent_instance; Jun 05 09:46:02 inz: I'll avoid looking at that code :) Jun 05 09:46:20 Anyone wants to file a bug? Jun 05 09:47:06 CON_IC_EVENT(statistics_event) doesn't work with run time type checks Jun 05 09:47:48 But without them should work just fine Jun 05 09:48:11 then con_ic_event_set_iap_id ((ConIcEvent *) statistics_event, ...) probably would work, although there seems to be a maintainer who needs to learn how to use gobject. Jun 05 09:49:18 :) Jun 05 09:50:16 nomis, yeah, without gobject "safe cast" it works just fine Jun 05 10:01:46 Does anyone know how to get MSCHAPV2 working with N800? Jun 05 10:38:19 Hi all Jun 05 10:38:59 does anyone use hildon c++ bindings? Jun 05 10:43:42 I am but I'm still trying to learn this stuff :) Jun 05 10:44:59 con_ic_event_get_iap_id( (ConIcEvent*)stat_event) return null :/ Jun 05 10:46:00 well I am trying to open another window from an existing window Jun 05 10:46:09 but it does not show it Jun 05 10:46:53 I can open both window independently but not together Jun 05 10:47:15 oh, I don't have any experience on that Jun 05 10:47:24 ok Jun 05 10:49:04 how can I use hildon c++ bindings? Jun 05 10:49:12 It should show the window, if we say window.show_all(), but don't understand what else is needed Jun 05 10:49:51 Well u need to have hildon-libsmm and hildon-fmmm packages Jun 05 10:50:00 including gtkmm package Jun 05 10:50:58 C stuff was so ugly that I had to get it :) Jun 05 10:51:54 I have just started learning it, but it seems we can make more clean code with c++ Jun 05 10:53:13 nkverma, do you have some kind of transiency between the windows? Jun 05 10:53:15 once we resolve these small issues ;) Jun 05 10:53:33 if only this connection stuff had also c++ bindings Jun 05 10:53:43 just reading the c part of the tutorial and I'm feeling disgusted Jun 05 10:53:52 :) Jun 05 10:54:30 inz:no Jun 05 10:54:46 i think people often make own c++ ui classes that use gtk+ code Jun 05 10:55:28 nkverma, do you have any code you could put into pastebin? Jun 05 10:55:30 inz: in the menu item click I am just creating an object of another window class Jun 05 10:55:52 inz: yes sure Jun 05 11:06:23 inz : http://pastebin.ca/539820 Jun 05 11:06:33 inz: please check the link Jun 05 11:07:13 inz : Both the window classes are exteded with Hildon::Window Jun 05 11:11:19 nkverma, doesn't the settings window get destroyed when menuSettingsHandler is left? Jun 05 11:12:23 nkverma, I'd go for making SettingsWindow a GtkDialog and then calling the run method from menuSettingsHandler Jun 05 11:13:22 nkverma, then you don't need the call to add_window(), but instead you should make the dialog transient to the "first window" Jun 05 11:13:49 ok Jun 05 11:13:53 can I use c++ on 770? Jun 05 11:14:10 let me try Jun 05 11:14:20 Mikho, there are gtk and hildon bindings for c++ Jun 05 11:14:29 inz, thanks Jun 05 11:15:22 I'm trying to locate the repository where I could download the required libraries Jun 05 11:15:34 nkverma, you can use HildonWindow too, but then you need to a) define it in a wider scope and only show on demand, b) create it dynamically, or c) create a gmainloop in the function and run it until the settingswindow is handled Jun 05 11:16:48 inz: yes I tried option c, but i did not find it good Jun 05 11:16:53 apt-get install hildon-fmmm-dev hildon-libsmm-dev just says cannot find at the moment Jun 05 11:17:22 http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch03.html and this page tells that I cant use maemomm on maemo versions older than 3.0 Jun 05 11:17:22 because in option c it show two window as seperate application Jun 05 11:17:38 offcourse I can hide the first one Jun 05 11:17:42 but sill Jun 05 11:17:53 Mikho, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/2.0/free/h/ Jun 05 11:18:28 I think b would be better Jun 05 11:18:52 inz: I will try your previous option also Jun 05 11:19:19 Mikho, 2.1 and 2.2 (scirocco and gregale) don't have the packages, but I'm guessing the 2.0 ones are compatible Jun 05 11:19:40 nkverma, I'd go for the GtkDialog inheriting Jun 05 11:21:52 inz:Yes I think this is better Jun 05 11:23:00 in the b option also its not require to add the window in program Jun 05 11:23:04 as I test Jun 05 11:23:27 i mean using add_window() Jun 05 11:25:28 should I use libhildon or hildon and -dev or not? Jun 05 11:26:10 hildon-libsmm & hildon-fmmm Jun 05 11:28:39 so how can I find hildon-libsmm? Jun 05 11:31:21 add-->deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free Jun 05 11:31:31 and-->deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free Jun 05 11:31:40 but it's not bora Jun 05 11:31:45 in ur apt source list Jun 05 11:31:46 that's mistral for 770 Jun 05 11:32:02 oh Jun 05 11:32:13 you need for n770 Jun 05 11:32:15 And hildon-widgetsmm Jun 05 11:32:15 ? Jun 05 11:33:22 added those lines but apt-get still can't find them Jun 05 11:34:42 Mikho, the packages are hildon-fmmm-dev and hildon-widgetsmm-dev Jun 05 11:36:11 ok Jun 05 11:36:41 looks like I need gtkmm2.4 too Jun 05 11:36:48 yes Jun 05 11:43:02 there's a plethora of dependencies... do I need to manually install them all? Jun 05 11:44:55 doesn't apt-get do it for you? Jun 05 11:45:16 does it comes during configure? Jun 05 11:45:47 well, apt-get doesn't seem to abe able to find anything Jun 05 11:46:04 oh Jun 05 11:46:54 I have deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras mistral free non-free in sources.list, but it doesn't seem to find the packages anyway Jun 05 11:47:58 I have all the links realted to bora in my source list, and manage to istall Jun 05 11:49:22 apt-get install glibmm2.4 just says cannot find Jun 05 11:49:25 not sure but is it because of different tool-chain? Jun 05 11:50:57 can't you try to download the source and compile? Jun 05 11:51:59 Mikho, would it work better, if you try to install libhildon-widgetsmm-1.0-dev? Jun 05 11:57:18 ok, I was supposed to enter the whole library name along with version information, without the help of tab autocompletion Jun 05 13:01:07 <||cw> interesting... http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/04/iphone-to-get-software-development-kit-at-wwdc/ Jun 05 13:01:33 <||cw> thinkt he next maemo device will be a phone? Jun 05 13:02:04 i wouldnt think so yet Jun 05 13:02:20 i just don't see moving so fast towards that at nokia Jun 05 13:14:24 *gah*, supporting both hildon-1 and hildon-lgpl is quite painful... Jun 05 13:14:39 Not too painful, but still quite ;) Jun 05 13:26:08 why would con_ic_event_get_id( (ConIcEvent*)status_event) return null? Jun 05 13:40:03 Gathaja, if the libconic hasn't received a "connected" event, it doesn't know the id Jun 05 13:41:32 Gathaja, I'm guessing the replies to the messages come in reversed order for some reason Jun 05 13:41:33 ah Jun 05 13:43:00 (I'm only guessing here though) Jun 05 13:43:56 yep, you were right :) Jun 05 13:44:00 thanks Jun 05 14:02:08 out of curiosity, are there specific SDL improvements for the tablet ? Jun 05 14:15:50 Anybody know how flexible is the power supply in the N800? Can it accept 6V input? Jun 05 14:17:56 guardian: no Jun 05 14:18:02 now I can't find hildon-libsmm anywhere Jun 05 14:18:10 guardian: do you need something special? Jun 05 14:18:26 Mikho, it's hildon-widgetsmm for 2.0 Jun 05 14:18:29 i don't think so :) Jun 05 14:18:42 gonna try coding graphics stuff Jun 05 14:18:45 pet project Jun 05 14:19:22 i was hesitating between using straight GdkImage in the proper pixel format or use SDL Jun 05 14:19:36 SDL is surely a wise choice so that it's portable Jun 05 14:19:56 ok, then I'll need to change the code in the example programs Jun 05 14:20:00 guardian: sdl is faster and easier Jun 05 14:20:21 hello Jun 05 14:20:21 guardian: you'll find that if your not a "G" zealot Jun 05 14:20:23 hehehe Jun 05 14:20:27 b0unc3: hi Jun 05 14:20:34 guardian: what's your prj? Jun 05 14:20:56 "G" zealot ? Jun 05 14:21:12 3D software renderer and/or raytracing Jun 05 14:21:28 guardian, G{nome,tk+,lib} Jun 05 14:22:13 k Jun 05 14:23:35 guardian: ok, output engine will not need to do much Jun 05 14:23:38 SDL would be sad if it *wasn't* better in graphics than a generic UI toolkit, after all, it should be designed for it Jun 05 14:23:44 guardian: be sure to use SDL in 16bpp Jun 05 14:24:09 zuh: Gdk is also meant for it Jun 05 14:24:43 any cool sdl project i could look at on garage ? Jun 05 14:24:45 zuh: or do you think that GIMP created GTK to be Gnome's UI system? Jun 05 14:24:47 something coming to mind ? Jun 05 14:24:54 guardian: canola :-) Jun 05 14:25:08 guardian: unfortunately it's close source so far :-( Jun 05 14:25:21 guardian: games that came with maemo are also SDL Jun 05 14:25:47 http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/ provides some hints Jun 05 14:26:05 i've sdl code spread all over the repository Jun 05 14:26:35 ok gonna have a look Jun 05 14:26:36 ths Jun 05 14:26:37 thx Jun 05 14:26:59 can the tablet browse samba shares ? Jun 05 14:27:21 no Jun 05 14:28:12 guardian, it's on the roadmap, so make it "not yet" Jun 05 14:28:16 k-s[WORK]: I think Gdk hasn't really concentrated in graphics for a long time... The drawing API isn't really "serious". Jun 05 14:28:50 zuh: no, Gimp guys still hack on GTK and it's really focused on graphics Jun 05 14:28:55 it IS really serious Jun 05 14:29:00 but no easy of use Jun 05 14:29:17 in order to get things right you must know many of X intrinsics Jun 05 14:29:39 SDL, on other hand exposes it simple to you as a pixel framebuffer Jun 05 14:29:52 they have their pro and cons Jun 05 14:33:00 for usb host support on the 770, does one have to supply power in the cable that immediately leads to a hub, or can the usb hub do the power requirement (which does take care of the devices, but nothing I've seen will pick up w/ usb host enabled) Jun 05 14:33:31 sethstorm: The 770 won't notice the hub unless you supply the power Jun 05 14:33:56 zuh: so I have to supply power in between the 770 and the hub? Jun 05 14:34:10 Yes Jun 05 14:34:45 and this is even if the hub itself is powered? (which I'm presuming what you'd say next) Jun 05 14:34:49 Yes Jun 05 14:35:47 good Jun 05 14:39:35 k-s[WORK]: If you look at gdk_draw_*, all you see is "draw this primitive", while a "serious" graphics API has notions of blending and other more advanced stuff. And yes, it's tighlty coupled with the X(lib) drawing API, which is pretty limited in terms of readily-available features. Fortunatlely we have now Cairo to fix this... Jun 05 14:42:25 speaking of which, are there finally cairo packages in maemo? Jun 05 14:43:15 dragorn: etrunko did some packages for cairo Jun 05 14:43:18 etrunko: right? Jun 05 14:43:40 now I'm getting all kinds of errors: 'Hildon' has not been initialized and so forth. I don't know what files to #include, and can't find the definition of namespace Hildon or window.h anywhere Jun 05 14:43:42 Yeah, for evince. And IIRC they are available from extras..? Jun 05 14:44:03 inz, are you sure hildon-widgetsmm is the same as hildon-libsmm? Jun 05 14:44:38 Mikho: theres a hildon howto on the garage under 'development' for generic stuff Jun 05 14:45:12 as far as using gdk primitives, unless you need alpha blending and AA, it's not particularly hard. Cario generates much nicer output for less coder time, but more render time during execution Jun 05 14:45:32 i think you need to add Jun 05 14:45:42 did you try with this Jun 05 14:45:53 k-s[WORK]: they're in extras repository Jun 05 14:46:17 hm, guess that isn't in my list. I'll check it out, I was actually looking last night Jun 05 14:46:24 dragorn: yes, the cairo packages are there for a while Jun 05 14:46:39 there's no window.h under hildon-widgetsmm Jun 05 14:48:17 etrunko: happen to have the repo url handy? maemos search appears to suck, and google doesn't appear to be finding the cairo packages Jun 05 14:48:22 well I have hildon-libsmm/hildon-libsmm/window.h Jun 05 14:48:51 may it is at different path in widgetsmm Jun 05 14:48:52 dragorn: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free Jun 05 14:49:01 hm. useless search engines. :P Jun 05 14:49:14 and for gregale also deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras gregale free non-free Jun 05 14:55:49 as per the examples in hildon-widgetsmm repository window.h should be at Jun 05 14:56:02 may be ur pkg-config path is not set Jun 05 14:57:34 it seems there's no window.h on my hard drive Jun 05 14:57:43 at least locate didn't find it Jun 05 14:57:54 that strange Jun 05 14:58:07 I wonder if I'm missing some packages again Jun 05 14:58:18 it seems Jun 05 14:59:53 what if you try pkg-config hildon-widgetsmm --cflags Jun 05 15:04:50 there's again the complex network of dependencies, conflicts and versions Jun 05 15:05:00 seems I haven't installed all the -dev packages Jun 05 15:05:30 but now I need libglibmm (>=2.6.1) Jun 05 15:18:26 looks like it's impossible to install hildon-fmmm-dev and hildon-widgetsmm-dev due to a loop of dependencies and conflicts Jun 05 15:20:06 is canola open source ? Jun 05 15:24:55 guardian: no :-( Jun 05 15:25:13 guardian: it will be... one day (we're trying to convince boss) Jun 05 15:26:19 oh you're working on it ? Jun 05 15:27:04 guardian: yes Jun 05 15:27:13 does it use clutter ? Jun 05 15:27:15 so is there aynone who's got c++ hildon to work on maemo 2.2? Jun 05 15:27:26 guardian: actually it's on hold, we're working on next version Jun 05 15:27:43 guardian: no... no clutter, no hw accel on device Jun 05 15:27:58 guardian: we're moving to evas and enlightenment foundation libraries for next version Jun 05 15:28:10 oh Jun 05 15:28:17 guardian: for softwares like canola, it's the way to go Jun 05 15:28:19 so droping sdl and some custom code ? Jun 05 15:28:35 guardian: yes... there's not much custom code there Jun 05 15:28:38 plain sdl do Jun 05 15:29:02 evas can be coupled with Edje, a powerful theme system Jun 05 15:29:19 and can embed a widget set that fits... like etk Jun 05 15:30:00 imagine being able to be able to insert a beautiful/themed GTK form inside your app when you need, doing alpha blend or other special effects Jun 05 15:30:23 are there sample applications demonstrating this ? Jun 05 15:32:43 Hi...how can i change the active scratchbox target...using sb-menu i get 'you must close the active sessions first'...if i do that i cannot run sb-menu Jun 05 15:33:43 you have have logged twice to scratchbox Jun 05 15:34:33 ah,ok...i am running scratchbox in vmware maybe it is this? Jun 05 15:34:48 k-s[WORK]: so you prefer evas to clutter Jun 05 15:34:53 ian_brasil_: don't know Jun 05 15:36:19 no it is me being dumb...like you said i had 2 scratchboxes going Jun 05 15:38:46 etrunko: Any obvious alternatives to gdk_cairo_set_source_pixmap since the gdk in maemo doesn't seem to be cairo-aware? Jun 05 15:43:15 sometimes scratchbox thinks you're using it when you're not Jun 05 15:43:20 some background processes or whatnot Jun 05 15:43:28 you can use sb-conf killall then, IIRC Jun 05 15:44:02 hmmm, new apple laptops Jun 05 15:44:13 is it possible to use maemo 3.0 for nokia 770? Jun 05 15:56:32 @Mikho. Yes is possible there is a hack version of OS2007 Jun 05 15:58:10 so why am I still trying to use 2.2? Jun 05 15:58:29 guardian: guardian yes, I like evas more than clutter Jun 05 15:58:55 MDK: what about your gfx sw? is it ready? Jun 05 16:00:25 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch Jun 05 16:08:40 now I'm trying to compile hildon-libsmm-dev and hildon-fmmm-dev myself, to no avail. ./configure runs ok but make quits with an error. Looks like I'm doomed to using hildon C-bindings for all eternity Jun 05 16:23:39 @Mikho it still a hacker vrsion is not a official release so is some what buggy Jun 05 16:33:59 if it's more compatible than the sword&stone v2.2, then I guess it's a good tradeoff Jun 05 16:34:45 but I wonder if I can use the programs I write in non-hacked 770's Jun 05 16:36:42 I mean, can people with non-hacked 770's run the programs written with maemo 3? Jun 05 16:46:11 <`0660> i don't think they can Jun 05 16:47:13 but can users of hacked 770 or n800 use the programs I write with maemo 2.2? Jun 05 16:49:17 <`0660> yes Jun 05 16:50:17 <`0660> at least that's how i have understood this Jun 05 16:52:28 maybe I'll just forget about the hildon c++ bindings Jun 05 16:52:37 @Mikho Yes is just backwards Programs writen for the N800 engine will not work in a 770 Jun 05 16:53:41 it'd be so nice if they'd officialize the new os for 770 Jun 05 16:54:07 but I guess companies like nokia don't dwell on the past Jun 05 16:54:34 Yeap I am still stuck on 2.2 my self for my 770... I havent switch to the hacked version because I also own a N800 Jun 05 16:54:43 nokia, nor others like, publish new os versions for old devices.. Jun 05 16:59:01 earlier, when developing software for nokia 6600, I found out I couldn't use vibra because they had forgotten a file out of the sdk. Jun 05 16:59:19 And they couldn't fix it, no Jun 05 16:59:27 lol Jun 05 17:00:00 hmm, actually it was a library file inside the 6600 that was missing Jun 05 17:00:21 vibra worked alright, but no-one could develop any custom software that used it Jun 05 17:01:43 Mikho: it's only one of the many, many headers or libraries "forgotten" from certain sdk's Jun 05 17:01:57 yep. Jun 05 17:02:02 then there's on the other hand the stuff that is in that just doesn't work Jun 05 17:02:46 nothing like getting a professional feeling from copying bits and pieces from various sdk's from various manufacturers to get the stuff you want compiled.. Jun 05 17:03:11 libdumping to get profile information out ftw Jun 05 17:03:23 maybe the new security stuff nokia is promoting is just to make it hard for people to find out about the quality of the code they are writing Jun 05 17:03:54 oh you find about the quality all right Jun 05 17:04:06 it's just that some of the built in stuff wouldn't pass symbiansigneds criteria Jun 05 17:04:25 ..even though you can get pretyt much anything through that Jun 05 17:04:33 I sweat blood and bile trying to make my 6290 able to display asian fonts Jun 05 17:04:36 security stuff is just to piss off people, really Jun 05 17:04:54 ITT has become a house for clowns Jun 05 17:06:53 @gla55. Man thats going to be my new signature! LOL Jun 05 17:07:15 well said Jun 05 17:40:47 Anybody here using sardine? Seems that sardine doesn't have the hildonized look of standard maemo sdk. Is it right? Jun 05 17:44:21 ok.. i'm not familiar with some distribution methods, but let's say I just compiled some libraries that were needed as dependencies for somehting else... how would I go about packaging them up for distro on the n800... Jun 05 17:44:59 or dont bother, and instead copy them over manually Jun 05 17:49:24 luck^: huh? sardine uses a different theme, plankton Jun 05 17:49:48 (it's going to replace the original 770 look) Jun 05 17:50:52 damn it! for some reason my scratchbox cannot resolve hosts using apt (again). The nsswitch.conf files were already modified and fixed the problem once. anyone an idea what might cause this problem again? Jun 05 17:51:23 pulsar__: /etc/resolv.conf ? Jun 05 17:51:26 nah Jun 05 17:51:30 its perfectly ok. Jun 05 17:51:44 loops back to 127.0.0.1 where i have dnsmasq up and running. Jun 05 17:51:54 tried also the "real" ns over here, did not help. Jun 05 17:54:18 ah, gotcha! Jun 05 17:54:49 tko, hmmmm... but there is any way to test hildon application with a hildonized look? :) Jun 05 17:55:26 tko: thanks for the hint, the /etc/resolv.conf was ok (beeing logged into the scratchbox), but it isnt used. /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf was borked. Jun 05 17:55:55 tko, here it runs with the same look when I don't use run-standalone Jun 05 17:55:59 luck^: umm, run it? Jun 05 17:56:24 tko, its my first attempt with sardine Jun 05 17:56:43 luck^: hmm.. check ~/.osso/current-gtk-theme* -- they should point to 'plankton' or 'default' (where /usr/share/themes/default then points to plankton) Jun 05 17:57:03 I recall MDK saying sardine currently doesn't set up the theme all the way Jun 05 17:57:36 luck^: please send any comments you might have to sardine-developers Jun 05 17:58:09 ok tko. thanks! Jun 05 18:18:54 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. Jun 05 18:33:07 Hi! Jun 05 18:33:23 Is there a command I can use to set the background image in N800? Jun 05 18:45:05 whats the google satelite url atm? Jun 05 18:45:12 (for maemo mapper) Jun 05 18:52:43 fish_, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3514 second post in the thread Jun 05 18:55:47 Is there a ssh server for IT2007? I've found the tutorials for openssh and dropbear for IT200[56] ... Jun 05 18:56:23 Pio: thx Jun 05 18:56:44 fish_, np, i had the page open from earlier today by coincidence Jun 05 18:58:53 im loading up on maps for a mt. whitney backpacking trip tomorrow :) Jun 05 19:00:11 harleypig yes Jun 05 19:00:54 k-way: Can you point me to a tutorial or a repository? Jun 05 19:01:19 I am searching for a ready make usb cable to connect my n800 as host into a hub Jun 05 19:02:03 harleypig , yes search the download in maemo.org is(you need red pil mode) Jun 05 19:02:11 harleypig: are you already root on your system? Jun 05 19:02:18 http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=ssh&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openpsa_pro Jun 05 19:02:25 bugger sorry Jun 05 19:02:26 Not yet. Jun 05 19:02:39 wow ... that's a long link Jun 05 19:02:42 this is the link for openssh http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh Jun 05 19:03:08 this is openssh, not dropbear? Jun 05 19:03:11 but please remeber to change your password since the default root password is well known Jun 05 19:03:17 openssh is openssh Jun 05 19:03:50 this might be a good place to start http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/ Jun 05 19:04:13 thanks Jun 05 19:04:22 heh ... yeah, isn't the root passwd rootme? Jun 05 19:04:35 yes Jun 05 19:04:51 would this adapter work ? http://www.nextag.com/Belkin-USB-B-TO-77569655/prices-html Jun 05 19:06:35 k-way: For the eko.one.pl repository, should I put mistral as the page states or update it to bora for my n800? Jun 05 19:12:04 hi Jun 05 19:12:08 bora Jun 05 19:12:42 bora +- it2007 +- n800 -+ 3.0 or 3.1 Jun 05 19:13:28 thanks Jun 05 19:14:00 ok.. i'm having curious issues... i selecter armel, restarted scratchbox, did a ./configure on the cli app i'm trying to get running, did make clean, then make Jun 05 19:14:26 the app compiled flawlessly, but when run on the n800 i'm gettingL: Nokia-N800-10:~/hx$ bin/hx Jun 05 19:14:26 bin/hx: bin/hx: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected Jun 05 19:15:41 try file hx Jun 05 19:16:00 isn't hx a progam to send data over serial? Jun 05 19:16:15 nah Jun 05 19:16:23 clommand-line hotline client Jun 05 19:16:26 command Jun 05 19:16:42 i successfully compiled it with 286 selected Jun 05 19:16:45 386 Jun 05 19:17:32 switched the target and scratchbox compiled, but would not run on the pc, so i decided to try it on the n800 directly Jun 05 19:17:43 can you perform a file hx on your sbox? Jun 05 19:17:54 one sec Jun 05 19:17:56 rebooting vmware Jun 05 19:18:00 haha Jun 05 19:18:21 what's the funny part? Jun 05 19:18:35 uh ... I'm assuming 'red pill mode' is becomeroot? Jun 05 19:19:19 vmware has been working wonderfully for getting this running... Jun 05 19:19:21 harleypig: no ' it's a trick to show all the packages in the package manager, by default only package with a section field are shown Jun 05 19:19:43 oh Jun 05 19:20:20 defor80: I once had a friend and everyting on his machine was alwaisworking , I would have liked to have had vmware back then Jun 05 19:20:25 hmmm ... not finding much on "red pill" on maemo.org Jun 05 19:20:30 red-pill? Jun 05 19:20:46 but I would also allow you to install ssh and then become root by ssh'ing to your machine . Jun 05 19:20:48 theres quite a few people confuse about gainroot, sudo, and red pill mode... is all different Jun 05 19:21:16 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode Jun 05 19:21:22 well, I know what gainroot and sudo is ... Jun 05 19:21:29 yeah it took me a whole to figure it out too... Jun 05 19:21:43 i don't use root on the device much.. mainly only through ssh Jun 05 19:21:50 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode Jun 05 19:22:05 heheh got beeten to it :P Jun 05 19:22:32 thanks Jun 05 19:22:40 lol dammit.. i forgot to check for a precompile of readline Jun 05 19:22:41 :P Jun 05 19:22:50 ok off to sleep Jun 05 19:22:55 cya Jun 05 19:22:55 greets Jun 05 19:23:05 I am also away :p Jun 05 19:23:35 zzz g/n zzzz Jun 05 19:25:35 snork snork Jun 05 19:25:47 crap Jun 05 19:25:53 it compiled as 386 Jun 05 19:26:00 thanks for the tip about file Jun 05 19:26:09 i'm not familiar with it Jun 05 19:53:13 bergie: Have you tried www.matka.fi? Jun 05 19:53:17 (just reading your blog entry) Jun 05 19:53:47 roope: haven't tried actually Jun 05 19:54:19 i think it's actually close to what you were looking for. Jun 05 19:54:49 although of course not yet perfect. Jun 05 19:55:00 yes, seems to do the trick for Finland Jun 05 19:55:09 thanks for the link! Jun 05 19:55:35 when does linux tag end ? Jun 05 19:55:57 guardian: it ended last saturday. Jun 05 19:56:03 ah Jun 05 19:56:10 i thought it was this week :) Jun 05 19:56:20 guardian: nope :) Jun 05 19:59:46 hmm... Helsinki-Nuorgam only 17h47 Jun 05 20:12:25 how can i disable screen blanking? is there a dbus command or something? Jun 05 20:13:56 Hi to all .... Jun 05 20:21:27 and another question: i have a cheap car power supply with should deliver 5v for my nokia 770. but its unstabilized and i dont know how sensible the nokia 770 is when it comes to current fluctuations Jun 05 20:31:18 I doubt it's extremely sensitive, but might not be a bad idea to not plug it until after the car is running, since starting is when the largest spikes come Jun 05 20:41:42 Juhaz: yes, i know.. well i'll try it ;) Jun 05 20:46:58 <||cw> I've used mine on trips with no problems, but my van has the towing kit with bigger battery and bigger alternator and so it doens't spike as much **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 06 02:59:58 2007