**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 06 02:59:58 2007
Jun 06 06:01:06 <jga23> is it possible to write an applet in python?
Jun 06 06:30:15 <inz> jga, in maemo4.0 it will be
Jun 06 06:33:48 <jga23> what can I write an applet in then?
Jun 06 06:35:05 <guardian> C
Jun 06 07:01:31 <konttori> Will maemo 4.0 be included in the next firmware?
Jun 06 07:20:45 <jga23> what is the equivalient to .bashrc on maemo?
Jun 06 07:39:35 <jga23> anybody know how to stop dropbear ssh?
Jun 06 07:40:13 <geaaru> /etc/init.d/dropbear stop
Jun 06 07:40:32 <jga23> I did that, but I can still connect
Jun 06 07:40:56 * cesman is away: Gone away for now.
Jun 06 07:41:33 <inz> jga, .profile is the closest one to .bashrc
Jun 06 07:42:02 <jga23> inz, thanks
Jun 06 08:00:52 <jga23> is there any difference from installing python or installing pymaemo?
Jun 06 08:09:26 <guardian> good morning
Jun 06 08:09:49 <guardian> jga23: judging from the names i would install pymaemo
Jun 06 08:09:57 <guardian> but i never used python on maemo
Jun 06 08:10:14 <jga23> ok, thanks
Jun 06 08:19:24 <AD-N770> good morning
Jun 06 08:20:19 <nkverma> hi all
Jun 06 08:29:42 <lool> Hey there; is there a way to subscribe to uploads to the archive?  I see I can subscribe to SVN commits, but some teams don't use SVN
Jun 06 08:59:45 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jun 06 09:11:55 <guardian_> geez
Jun 06 09:12:42 <guardian_> spent 20 minutes to discover that i wrote G_END_DCLS instead of G_END_DECLS
Jun 06 09:12:50 <guardian_> the compiler only said "extern" undefined identifier
Jun 06 09:12:50 <guardian_> :D
Jun 06 09:27:54 <SeRi_zZZzZz> aloha
Jun 06 10:51:39 <Mikho> I'm trying to set up eclipse to compile and link using scratchbox compilers, but
Jun 06 10:51:59 <Mikho> it seems the linker can't find all the libraries
Jun 06 10:52:24 <Mikho> I wonder what libraries am I supposed to include in -l and what paths to -L
Jun 06 10:53:33 <Mikho> I'm trying to run the simple example program in http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html#Building-applications
Jun 06 10:54:04 <Mikho> (example_hildonprogram.c)
Jun 06 10:55:01 <Mikho> the first linker error is "undefined reference to 'gtk_init'" followed by similar errors to the rest of the functions in use
Jun 06 11:07:23 <melmoth> MikaT, i have no clue....but, i have here an old makefile that used to work (before i switched to python :)) )
Jun 06 11:07:25 <melmoth> HILDON_CFLAGS = -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/hildon-fm
Jun 06 11:10:12 <inz> it's not compiler issue, it's linker issue
Jun 06 11:10:32 <inz> And you shouldn't hardcode the include paths like that, but use pkg-config instead
Jun 06 11:11:12 <melmoth> well, the Makefile was generated by autoconf/autotools stuff, and it worked.
Jun 06 11:11:37 <melmoth> but anyway, i switched to pyhton since anyway, it s just that the file it still there :)
Jun 06 11:11:50 <inz> Mikho, try cc `pkg-config hildon-lgpl --cflags --libs` example_hildonprogram.c -o example
Jun 06 11:15:58 <Mikho> hmm
Jun 06 11:22:34 <Mikho> grr, spent a good 10 mins wondering what's wrong when I had typed "hildon-lpgl"
Jun 06 11:22:40 <Mikho> "cannot find"
Jun 06 11:54:53 <Mikho> sbox-arm-linux-cc: pkg-config hildon-lgpl --cflags --libs: No such file or directory
Jun 06 11:57:48 <Mikho> how is it supposed to execute that line pkg-config hildon... etc?
Jun 06 12:00:31 <guardian> which would u use ?
Jun 06 12:00:33 <guardian> mythtv ?
Jun 06 12:00:36 <guardian> mediatomb ?
Jun 06 12:00:37 <guardian> ushare ?
Jun 06 12:00:45 <guardian> i don't have much time to test each one :/
Jun 06 12:05:07 <Mikho> why does it think the line inside '':s is just another input file?
Jun 06 12:06:22 <kulve> those were ` not '
Jun 06 12:07:07 <Mikho> does it make a difference if it's ` or ´ ?
Jun 06 12:07:15 <Mikho> just that it isn't '?
Jun 06 12:07:25 <kulve> yes it does
Jun 06 12:07:35 <Mikho> it has to be ` ?
Jun 06 12:07:47 <kulve> using `, the shell will execute the command inside the `s before running the cc command
Jun 06 12:08:29 <Mikho> is this a particular shell feature, or general 'nix?
Jun 06 12:08:34 <kulve> general, afaik
Jun 06 12:08:47 <Mikho> ... you learn something new every day
Jun 06 12:08:50 <kulve> but I'm no shell guru :)
Jun 06 12:09:14 <dpb__> general in bourne shells atleast
Jun 06 12:09:43 <Mikho> great, thanks :)
Jun 06 12:15:09 <Mikho> blah, if I run the linker outside scratchbox, it can't find hildon-lgpl, of course
Jun 06 12:16:12 <pulsar> ah, that reminds me of something. does anyone use scons inside tha scratchbox?
Jun 06 12:20:40 <inz> Mikho, some shells also support $(command), but `command` is more generic
Jun 06 12:25:57 <Mithrandir> inz: $(command) is POSIX so using that is fine.
Jun 06 12:26:14 <Mithrandir> anybody using non-posix shells lose.
Jun 06 12:27:06 <Mikho> this is so nice: every time I try out a wrong compiling command it spews out thousands and thousands of errors and warnings, locking itself for a few minutes
Jun 06 12:30:06 <Mikho> does anybody know a good IDE for developing c++?
Jun 06 12:30:27 <melmoth> well,a new emacs has just been released :)
Jun 06 12:30:42 <Mikho> seems eclipse with the c++ plugin is just waste of time
Jun 06 12:30:43 <pulsar> anjuta is nice
Jun 06 12:30:46 <Efrael> Visual studio \o/
Jun 06 12:30:57 <Mikho> for ubuntu..
Jun 06 12:31:02 <pulsar> anjuta
Jun 06 12:31:11 <Mikho> anjuta you say
Jun 06 12:31:19 <pulsar> yep. its in the repository.
Jun 06 12:31:37 <cosmo> eclipse+cdt seems to work quite well also
Jun 06 12:31:38 <pulsar> lacks plenty of features i am used to but it does the job quite well
Jun 06 12:31:40 <Efrael> These QT things have something. Maybe KDevelop.
Jun 06 12:31:59 <pulsar> cosmo: @see above, he already gave it a try :)
Jun 06 12:32:31 <Mikho> I just can't find out where to insert the `` commands in build settings in eclipse
Jun 06 12:32:32 <pulsar> if you are looking for a stressless make replacement take a look at scons too
Jun 06 12:32:41 <Mikho> moreover, eclipse+cdt is sloooow
Jun 06 12:33:05 <cosmo> eclipse has automatic makefile generation, you don't need to do it by hand anymore
Jun 06 12:33:22 <Mikho> it still doesn't find the libraries automatically
Jun 06 12:33:42 <cosmo> you just enter the libs in build settings
Jun 06 12:34:08 <Mikho> looks like I'd have to type pkg-config in shell, look what libraries are used and then input the libraries manually one by one in the build settings
Jun 06 12:36:59 <Mikho> I could give anjuta and the others a try as well
Jun 06 12:39:31 <Mikho> I hope they have automatic makefile management...
Jun 06 12:39:38 <pulsar> anjuta does
Jun 06 12:39:45 <Mikho> great
Jun 06 12:39:47 <pulsar> uses automake afair
Jun 06 12:41:23 <Efrael> A couple of years ago when I tried Anjuta in Ubuntu it kept segfaulting when I tried to create a certain type of project.
Jun 06 12:42:00 <pulsar> hehe... common problem of many open source programs and linux.
Jun 06 12:42:43 <pulsar> seems to work fine using ubuntu 7 at least right now.
Jun 06 12:46:11 <Efrael> When I fiddled with Qt it had some rather cool tool for C++, but can't remember the name. It might have been a little Qt specific, though.
Jun 06 12:52:21 <Mikho> the installation threw an error but it seems to be installed allright
Jun 06 12:52:39 <Mikho> how can I make sure it's not broken or sth
Jun 06 13:27:25 <Mikho> ok, so how do I make anjuta to auto-manage my makefile
Jun 06 13:27:40 <Mikho> atm I can't build because I don't have a makefile
Jun 06 13:57:36 <Mikho> ok, it was a mistake to try to import the project directly from eclipse
Jun 06 13:59:33 <Efrael> Hey, that's actually exactly what I was trying to do when it kept segfaulting
Jun 06 14:00:57 <Mikho> it disabled almost all automatic functionality
Jun 06 14:01:25 <Mikho> but now I can't find out how to define which libraries and includes are needed
Jun 06 14:06:32 <Mikho> wow, it actually generated a nice ./configure:ation script! I thought it was just a hello world program
Jun 06 14:07:10 <Mikho> it also processes the script for 14 seconds while looking cool
Jun 06 14:07:52 <Efrael> Doesn't it use configure.ac and Makefile.am with autoconf and automake?
Jun 06 14:10:11 <Mikho> there are lot of files but no configure.ac
Jun 06 14:10:20 <Mikho> there is a Makefile.am though
Jun 06 14:13:26 <Efrael> What about configure.in?
Jun 06 14:13:42 <Mikho> in this case it's not as simle as to just right click on the project name and type in the libraries and headers
Jun 06 14:14:37 <Mikho> now where and what should I write to make the builder find <hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h>
Jun 06 14:15:56 <Mikho> oh, there is a configure.in file, and it seems to update it according to what I write on the right-button-configuration-dialog
Jun 06 14:16:35 <Efrael> configure.in is the old name for configure.ac
Jun 06 14:18:00 <Efrael> I don't know about anjuta but at least modifying configure.in and Makefile.am is useful when trying to include necessary libraries in your build.
Jun 06 14:21:19 <Mikho> configure.in seems to be in some mystical alien language
Jun 06 14:22:41 <Mikho> in the tutorial http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/documentations/subpage/documents/C/anjuta-manual/anjuta-manual.html in figure 6.1 there seems to be a nice project properties dialog, but there's no such thing in my anjuta
Jun 06 14:22:59 <Efrael> Yeah, it's a whole another world. I found the automake manual quite helpful while autoconf manual was too overwhelming. In automake manual both configure.in and Makefile.am are covered.
Jun 06 14:24:38 <Mikho> so, I'm supposed to enter straight automake/autoconf syntax in the "Configure Project" dialog?
Jun 06 14:25:20 <Efrael> Probably not =) But that's all I know.
Jun 06 14:25:35 <Efrael> Autotools are useful stuff to learn anyways, though.
Jun 06 14:26:09 <harleypig> Can I install bash without losing a whole bunch of necessary packages?
Jun 06 14:31:07 <Mikho> oh... it seems the anjuta in ubuntu distribution wasn't anjuta2
Jun 06 14:32:09 <Mikho> but just some old 1.2.4a-5build1
Jun 06 14:34:13 <Mikho> *sigh*
Jun 06 14:54:57 <b0unc3> hello
Jun 06 15:28:53 <b0unc3> there is any way to get java run on n800 ?
Jun 06 15:30:40 <alp> b0unc3: i tried ikvm under mono some time ago, much of the test suite passes and it performs well
Jun 06 15:31:08 <b0unc3> alp: you can run java with awt or swing ?
Jun 06 15:31:59 <alp> i didn't try any UI things, the eclipse toolkit used by azureus etc. should work fine though
Jun 06 15:32:24 <b0unc3> uhm... sounds interesting... any links ?
Jun 06 15:32:56 <alp> nothing that "I'm feeling lucky" on google won't give you
Jun 06 15:33:18 <b0unc3> alp: ok :-)
Jun 06 15:44:09 <zyxulnaga> is wlanconfig available for the n800 ?
Jun 06 15:47:52 <dragorn> I wouldn't expect it to be, that's a madwifi userspace tool
Jun 06 15:58:42 * TimRiker notices that Someone(tm) is looking at his flashing-from-debian-4-with-2.6.20 bug.
Jun 06 15:58:48 <zyxulnaga> trying to generate a probe request
Jun 06 15:58:59 <zyxulnaga> doesnt seem to be possible
Jun 06 16:31:24 <defor80> if anyone's handy.. I'm trying to compule some already-existing code, and while I've gotten 99% working, compiled most of the existing cli apps, i'm having issues with the gtk part, specifically, using the normal configure/makefile, i get the error that gtk/gtk.h cannot be found. I've verified using apt-get as fakeroot that libgtk2.0-dev is installed, but i'm still hitting this wall... any thoughts?
Jun 06 16:31:56 <dragorn> look at config.log and see if it can't be found or if some other error is causing it to fail the compile test with gtk.h
Jun 06 16:34:21 <defor80> looking
Jun 06 16:36:25 <defor80> config.log doesnt even check for gtk
Jun 06 16:36:43 <konttori> Hey, what is the command to ask user a question in the postinst file?
Jun 06 16:36:50 <defor80> it isn't until i run make that i hit the error
Jun 06 16:36:57 <konttori> I would like to ask user a question at the end of install
Jun 06 16:37:07 <konttori> and then act accordingly
Jun 06 16:37:11 <jonnylamb> konttori: Using debconf?
Jun 06 16:39:53 <konttori> Ahh.. this should do the trick: maemo-confirm-text [title] file
Jun 06 16:42:48 <zuh> That's _very_ annoying if one is installing something over ssh ("hmmm... why does it take so long to install this..?")
Jun 06 16:43:46 <jonnylamb> Debian policy insists that package installation *must-not* be interactive.
Jun 06 16:44:49 <part> konttori: what do you want to ask from the user?
Jun 06 16:45:04 <konttori> If he wants to delete previous cached images
Jun 06 16:45:10 <konttori> From previous install
Jun 06 16:45:33 <konttori> But hey, even nokia apps ask user to accept license agreement
Jun 06 16:45:48 <part> konttori: and that's annoying too
Jun 06 16:45:56 <konttori> But it makes sense.
Jun 06 16:47:30 <mgedmin> jonnylamb: are you sure about that?  because some packages (like libc6) are very interactive on upgrades, and don't use debconf
Jun 06 16:48:29 <konttori> Hey, how do I get the exit value of that command call (maemo-confirm-text)?
Jun 06 16:48:36 <part> mgedmin: libc is a pretty special case, as it's necessary for just about everything else to actually function
Jun 06 16:49:42 <konttori> Sorry for asking such a silly question, but you guys probably know it immediately.
Jun 06 16:49:57 <melmoth> if it s in a shell $?  i think
Jun 06 16:50:06 <melmoth> if the maemo shell works as bash that is :)
Jun 06 16:50:19 <jonnylamb> mgedmin: Sorry, I'm an idiot- I meant *building* the package must be non-interactive.
Jun 06 16:51:45 <melmoth> konttori, yop, 'echo $?' works as with a regular bash
Jun 06 16:51:52 <konttori> thanks
Jun 06 16:56:50 <harleypig> Is there a way I can get rid of all language packages but my own?
Jun 06 16:57:07 <harleypig> Or is there a better irc channel to ask these types of questions?
Jun 06 16:57:54 <dragorn> if you back up your device first you can try just removing them
Jun 06 16:58:14 <harleypig> Yeah, but that won't help when upgrading.
Jun 06 16:58:46 <harleypig> In gentoo there is an options to set which languages you wish to install for.  I was wondering/hoping that there was something similar for debian.
Jun 06 16:58:48 <dragorn> well, no, you'd have to do it again every time
Jun 06 17:10:23 <harleypig> Is aptitude available in a repository somewhere?
Jun 06 17:17:34 <defor80> ok.. another random question.. is there a proper way to mount a mmc as /home, so as to not run the internal flash out of space?
Jun 06 17:21:15 <harleypig> Hmmm ... I don't remember how to fix a BADSIG error on an apt-get update ... anyone got a quick pointer for me to fix that?
Jun 06 17:21:49 <dragorn> defor80: I think theres a howto on the maemo site for extending root onto a card, don't have the url handy, I think it was either in the wiki or in the developer portion
Jun 06 17:29:02 <harleypig> ARGHH ... how can I keep a ssh session from timing out on my n800?
Jun 06 17:32:55 <TimRiker> harleypig: I keep ssh sessions open for quite some time using the dropbear packages. I've not noticed them timing out.
Jun 06 17:34:02 <harleypig> I'm not using the dropbear package ... I couldn't find them for the repositories I have.
Jun 06 17:35:10 <harleypig> OTOH, I'm only using repositories for IT2007 ... can I safely use IT2006 repositories?
Jun 06 17:45:34 <jonnylamb> How come ~ is copied in the rss feed reader's cache?!
Jun 06 17:45:55 <jonnylamb> s/cache/image cache/
Jun 06 17:45:55 <infobot> jonnylamb meant: How come ~ is copied in the rss feed reader's image cache?!
Jun 06 17:46:21 <jonnylamb> Hmm, indeed infobot.
Jun 06 18:01:47 <pupnik> servus
Jun 06 18:25:53 <pupnik>  CNN had a 'who won the GOP debate' comments section and they DELETED it
Jun 06 18:26:06 <pupnik> because Ron Paul support was dominating the comments
Jun 06 18:26:14 <pupnik> now they redirect the page to another page
Jun 06 18:26:17 <pupnik> see for yourself
Jun 06 18:26:25 <pupnik>  http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/05/who-won-the-debate/
Jun 06 18:27:24 <derf> Yeah, everyone online has Ron Paul winning.
Jun 06 18:27:34 <derf> Too bad that's not where the election will be conducted.
Jun 06 18:28:09 <pupnik> I apologize for the offtopic but that makes me grrrrRRRRRR!
Jun 06 18:28:50 <pupnik> nice to see someone here knows what i'm talking about :) hi derf
Jun 06 18:29:02 <derf> The distribution of people online (who comment on political articles) is not indicative of the distribution of the voting population of the country.
Jun 06 18:29:15 <derf> Also, the election is over a year away.
Jun 06 18:29:16 <pupnik> correct
Jun 06 18:30:16 <pupnik> this RP campaign has totally derailed my maemo work :/
Jun 06 18:30:55 <pupnik> i'll stop talking about it here.  anybody interested can check out ##ronpaul on freenode, efnet or undernet
Jun 06 18:34:16 <Efrael> GOP sounds no un-OSS ;)
Jun 06 18:34:29 <Efrael> I mean *so* un-OSS
Jun 06 18:51:50 <pupnik> is there a way to increase TX power on the 770 wifi chip?
Jun 06 19:02:36 <zyxulnag1> pupnik: I think in the connectivity manager advanced options
Jun 06 19:02:45 <zyxulnag1> in the n800 you can
Jun 06 19:03:10 * zyxulnag1 powers up his dusted n770
Jun 06 19:04:24 <zyxulnag1> you could max is 100mw
Jun 06 19:04:54 <pupnik> ty
Jun 06 19:04:57 <pupnik> that's what i thought
Jun 06 19:04:58 <zyxulnag1> np
Jun 06 19:40:18 <toresbe> pjustice: :)
Jun 06 19:40:34 <pjustice> toresbe,
Jun 06 19:40:49 <toresbe> bye!
Jun 06 20:58:23 <mk8> Hi to all ...
Jun 06 21:01:31 <harleypig> What's a good bluetooth keyboard for the n800?
Jun 06 21:08:36 <b0unc3> harleypig: the nokia sw-8w would have to work
Jun 06 21:09:27 <tigert> harleypig: just get used to the thumb keyboard
Jun 06 21:09:31 <tigert> its much nicer
Jun 06 21:09:40 <tigert> if you really use the device when on the go
Jun 06 21:09:54 <harleypig> I haven't even tried it ...
Jun 06 21:09:57 <tigert> bluetooth keyboards are fun when you are sitting on a desk where you have you laptop along anyway as well :)
Jun 06 21:10:00 <tigert> try it
Jun 06 21:10:09 <tigert> its not too bad, I irc with it just nicely
Jun 06 21:10:27 <tigert> the drawback is you dont see the app while typing, but thats minor issue
Jun 06 21:11:00 <harleypig> Hmmm ... I'm not seeing it ... do I have to install it?
Jun 06 21:12:56 <||cw> hold your finger on the text box for a few seconds then let go
Jun 06 21:13:57 <harleypig> Oh.  Interesting.
Jun 06 21:19:43 <konttori> ukmp 1.1 out!
Jun 06 21:19:52 <konttori> http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-11.html
Jun 06 21:23:50 <konttori> Includes OGG support!
Jun 06 21:39:56 <konttori> Man, vmware fusion looks cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIApJMzGzDQ
Jun 06 21:44:45 <konttori> Interesting. 189 $ laptop from asus
Jun 06 21:44:46 <konttori> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/114773/asus-stuns-computex-with-100-laptop.html#
Jun 06 21:45:01 <konttori> runs linux
Jun 06 21:45:56 <konttori> larger image: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/picture_library/dir_125/it_portal_pic_62535.jpg?751
Jun 06 21:47:42 <konttori> Another take http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/05/asus-new-eee-pc-701-joins-the-laptop-lite-fray-with-a-bang/
Jun 06 21:48:52 <konttori> Looks really nasty competition to foleo as well as internettablet. (ok, nastier for foleo, less nasty for n800 - but WILL effect whole internet appliance market.)
Jun 06 21:50:14 <konttori> In this image you can see how small asus is: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40076
Jun 06 21:50:18 <b0unc3> konttori: looks really interesting!
Jun 06 21:50:26 <konttori> indeed
Jun 06 21:51:00 <javamaniac> nice toy!
Jun 06 21:51:48 <konttori> we'll see if it's that much a toy. Might work pretty nicely for the ubiquitous communication device.
Jun 06 21:53:43 <zakx> if they're really releasing it anyway
Jun 06 21:55:32 <konttori> true.
Jun 06 21:56:07 <konttori> OTOH, they did refer availability this year.
Jun 06 22:16:09 <tigert> no pics of the ui though
Jun 06 22:20:25 <unique311> ok, i haven't touch my n800 in 3 days.......wtf.
Jun 06 22:20:36 <sethstorm> that isnt a bad thing
Jun 06 22:20:41 <unique311> not good at all
Jun 06 22:22:01 <unique311> finally fixed my thinkpad...had issues with it....but still undecided as to what OS to install on it..
Jun 06 22:22:24 <sethstorm> dualboot if you're undecided ;)
Jun 06 22:28:43 <derf> I finally got everything working on my thinkpad.
Jun 06 22:29:00 <derf> Suspend, hibernate, monitor switching, ultrabay switching...
Jun 06 22:43:41 <tigert> how did you make ultrabay work? on linux?
Jun 06 22:43:54 <tigert> post tutorial :)
Jun 06 22:46:48 <unique311> thinkpad ?
Jun 06 22:46:55 <unique311> i have a t41p old.............
Jun 06 22:47:17 <unique311> but i paid 30 dollars for it..so its a great catch
Jun 06 22:48:09 <unique311> running mediacenter on it..right now...might keep it media center and just run vmware
Jun 06 23:00:32 <SeRi_zZZzZz> I havea t30 running FC6
Jun 06 23:45:01 <unique311> whats new in maemo, besides nokia messing with thoughtfix
Jun 06 23:45:24 <unique311> free thoughtfix....i have the tshirts in the making...
Jun 06 23:48:12 <trevarthan> So..... I'm thinking we need some new GTK widgets designed just for touch screens.
Jun 06 23:48:31 <trevarthan> You know, widgets with inertia and stuff like that.
Jun 06 23:48:49 <trevarthan> BTW, does the n800 have any 3D hardware? Or is it purely a 2D device?
Jun 06 23:51:47 <sp3000> well, it has several millimetres or depth
Jun 06 23:52:15 <sp3000> so year three-dee hardware :D
Jun 06 23:52:25 * sp3000 is sleepy, can you tell
Jun 06 23:53:45 <trevarthan> Yeah, I just read something by pancake stating that there's some sort of licensing for the 3D chipset, and the mobo isn't very well designed to accomodate 3d performance even if there was a driver.
Jun 06 23:54:08 <trevarthan> But still, we could still do inertial widgets.
Jun 07 00:16:53 <edt> If you add a folder by mistake on the n800's application starter, how do you remove it?
Jun 07 00:17:38 <trevarthan> Not sure. I usually use the simple starter.
Jun 07 00:18:02 <trevarthan> It's a one bar starter that takes up less space and I think is easier to deal with.
Jun 07 00:20:23 <edt> can you remove it from the menu? (I have had my n800 3 hours...)
Jun 07 00:20:43 <trevarthan> Can you remove what from the menu?
Jun 07 00:21:16 <edt> on the left of the screen
Jun 07 00:21:49 <trevarthan> Yeah, you can uninstall it. You can also move it to a different folder on the left.
Jun 07 00:22:13 <trevarthan> Go to Tools -> Navigation and I think click to tab in the upper left to move things around.
Jun 07 00:22:37 <trevarthan> If you want to uninstall something then you can do that from Tools -> Application Manager
Jun 07 00:24:45 <edt> no tool navigation here - I have half figured out the app manager...
Jun 07 00:31:53 <trevarthan> oh, sorry
Jun 07 00:32:02 <trevarthan> it's Tools -> Control Panel -> Navigation
Jun 07 00:32:17 <trevarthan> I'm doing this from memory. My wife is playing with my n800.. :)
Jun 07 00:34:03 <edt> how do you use simple launcher?
Jun 07 00:35:22 <trevarthan> Install it from app manager, then go to your desktop, click the down arrow next to "home", and add the applet to your desktop.
Jun 07 00:35:45 <trevarthan> once it's on your desktop you go to the "home" menu again and configure it.
Jun 07 00:37:11 <trevarthan> Here's a little video about the canola applet that will give you an idea what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hCg90Pz0as
Jun 07 00:40:03 <trevarthan> BTW, *do* *not* install the zsh or maemo weather packages. They'll royal jack up your tablet.
Jun 07 00:41:58 <rwhitby> IDEA is a good launcher too
Jun 07 00:42:16 <rwhitby> (and has a transparent background, compared to the ugly white of the simple launcher that I tried
Jun 07 00:42:33 <trevarthan> yeah, it's a bulky beast though.
Jun 07 00:43:46 * rwhitby touts http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/category/n800/
Jun 07 00:45:06 <edt> how do you control here apps get installed?
Jun 07 00:46:00 <trevarthan> It usually asks you where you want to put them at install time. Usually. That's about all the control you have.
Jun 07 00:46:10 * trevarthan touts http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800
Jun 07 00:46:49 * trevarthan likes rwhitby's theme better than his own. :)
Jun 07 00:48:00 * edt collects links
Jun 07 00:48:57 <rwhitby> trevarthan: yeah, but your site has more content :-)
Jun 07 00:49:04 <edt> when I updated to the latest kernel all the apps I installed were lost.  Is this par for the course?
Jun 07 00:49:36 <trevarthan> If by "kernel", you mean "firmware", then "yes", it's par for course.
Jun 07 00:50:05 <trevarthan> However, the kernel itself is actually independently flashable apart from the rest of the firmware.
Jun 07 00:50:57 <trevarthan> For example, if you want to use an SDHC card with the current firmware, you can do this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_flash_the_SDHC_kernel_w/out_connecting_to_a_computer
Jun 07 00:51:10 <trevarthan> Which won't overwrite any of your applications.
Jun 07 00:51:11 <edt> guess I will have to figure out how to get the inventory before updating and have apt-get reinstall after
Jun 07 00:51:38 <trevarthan> edt: Check out http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/Nokia_n800#Network_Backups
Jun 07 00:51:57 <trevarthan> Back it up once you've got it running the way you like, then worry about the details later.
Jun 07 00:52:24 <edt> anyone know of a respository with synergy on it?
Jun 07 00:52:38 <SeRi> synergy hasent been fully ported
Jun 07 00:53:21 <edt> how much works?
Jun 07 00:53:47 <SeRi> let me link u
Jun 07 00:54:06 <trevarthan> Here you go: http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/synergy/
Jun 07 00:54:42 <trevarthan> Keesj does a lot of good work. You'll also want to check out his acmonitor (linked at the bottom of my page).
Jun 07 00:55:06 <SeRi> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/
Jun 07 00:55:10 <trevarthan> I don't use synergy personally, so I don't know how well it works. I use the thumb keyboard.
Jun 07 00:55:51 <SeRi> read the notes
Jun 07 00:56:27 <trevarthan> huh. didn't know there was a 1.3 vs 2.0. What's the difference?
Jun 07 00:57:45 <edt> hey you have ruby too!
Jun 07 00:57:56 <SeRi> acmonitor is pretty c00l I did had some problems at first had to hack it a bit
Jun 07 00:58:13 <SeRi> thats the old port of ruby
Jun 07 00:58:18 <SeRi> use p35
Jun 07 00:58:43 <SeRi> http://pierre.droids-corp.org/maemo/
Jun 07 00:58:53 <trevarthan> What did you change in acmonitor? I've noticed some strangeness from it too, but I've never bothered tracking it down.
Jun 07 00:58:55 <SeRi> ^^ latest ruby + rails
Jun 07 00:59:20 <SeRi> and rubygems
Jun 07 00:59:43 <SeRi> I change the behavior in the charging monitoring
Jun 07 01:00:24 <trevarthan> It doesn't save it's settings does it? Might be neat to have it do that so you don't have to reconfigure after a reboot.
Jun 07 01:00:41 <SeRi> if I would set  the time different fomr the default when I would turn it off it would never dim down and never charge or take for ever
Jun 07 01:01:04 <SeRi> so I set to not save when charging
Jun 07 01:01:39 <trevarthan> I've seen it lock the screen on at times. Usually when I'm running canola and the ac is plugged in.
Jun 07 01:02:38 <SeRi> yea it acts up when charging
Jun 07 01:02:42 <SeRi> so I have it to ignore
Jun 07 01:02:59 <trevarthan> Oh, edt, check out keesj's netdate deb too. Handy for setting time via NTP. I've been meaning to set up a .desktop file for it for the longest time. I need to do that one of these days.
Jun 07 01:03:33 <trevarthan> SeRi: So you don't have it do anything special when charging? What's the point then?
Jun 07 01:03:55 <SeRi> I use it most when not charging :D
Jun 07 01:04:31 <trevarthan> But I thought the whole point of acmonitor was to change the settings when it's plugged in vs not plugged in?
Jun 07 01:04:36 <SeRi> for example when I am using metasploit
Jun 07 01:05:38 <SeRi> acmonitor was use to change the behavior of the screen dim and turn off and remeber the times you want them to dim and turn off and remember them that way you didnt have to change it each time
Jun 07 01:06:11 <SeRi> one setting for battery and one setting for charging
Jun 07 01:06:29 <SeRi> before every time you reboot you had to set it manually each time
Jun 07 01:06:37 <trevarthan> So if you set it to ignore charging, what's the point in using it?
Jun 07 01:06:38 <SeRi> with acmonitor you dont
Jun 07 01:06:47 <trevarthan> oh
Jun 07 01:06:52 <SeRi> ;)
Jun 07 01:07:00 <trevarthan> you just use it to remember settings between boots then?
Jun 07 01:07:06 <SeRi> yes :)
Jun 07 01:07:17 <edt> Does the built in email app support ssl?
Jun 07 01:07:26 <SeRi> no
Jun 07 01:07:29 <trevarthan> Ah. I didn't think it did that. I've had it lose my settings between boots. Maybe we're using different versions?
Jun 07 01:07:32 <SeRi> use claws-mail
Jun 07 01:07:41 <SeRi> I think
Jun 07 01:07:48 <trevarthan> Yeah, claws-mail is the shiznit.
Jun 07 01:08:02 <edt> from where?
Jun 07 01:08:03 <SeRi> @trevarthan let me link you
Jun 07 01:09:30 <trevarthan> edt: http://www.claws-mail.org/maemo/
Jun 07 01:10:42 <trevarthan> edt: or here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/claws-mail
Jun 07 01:11:10 <SeRi> snap the page is offline... you have a email I can seend it to?
Jun 07 01:11:48 <trevarthan> Yeah. jesse@guardiani.us
Jun 07 01:12:27 <trevarthan> I'm gonna go play some Gears of War gentlemen. Talk to you all later.
Jun 07 01:15:27 <SeRi> laterz
Jun 07 01:15:29 <edt> thanks for the help
Jun 07 01:15:48 <edt> this is one of  the reasons for getting a n800!
Jun 07 01:17:13 <edt> any progress on getting opengl aware drivers for the box?
Jun 07 01:20:32 <SeRi> man that would be awesme but I think the processor wont take it
Jun 07 01:39:31 <GeneralAntilles> OpenGL would be amazing.
Jun 07 01:40:22 * luisv watches ukmp actually find album covers of his oggs, is pleased and amazed
Jun 07 01:45:04 <luisv> ukmp is love, that is all. night!
Jun 07 02:13:27 <kamui> As the proud owner of a new N800, I just learned that I apparently can't use my Wm6 smartphones ulimited data connection with it?
Jun 07 02:13:56 <kamui> seems that it doesn't support dial up networking profile anymore, but shared internet connection through PAN, is there any known workarounds?
Jun 07 02:14:00 <kamui> are
Jun 07 02:34:19 <edt> how do you use becomeroot?
Jun 07 02:36:05 <rwhitby> install it, and an xterm, then open the xterm and type "sudo gainroot"
Jun 07 02:39:22 <rwhitby> or just install ssh and ssh in.
Jun 07 02:39:31 <rwhitby> (then you don't need becomeroot)
Jun 07 02:39:45 <rwhitby> (but you do need to be able to access the n800 over the network)
Jun 07 02:45:55 <edt> how do you get the ip - its dhcp assigned here (its easy if you are root)
Jun 07 02:50:03 <kamui> ifconfig should still give you your addresses
Jun 07 02:50:14 <kamui> you just cant change or configure the hardware without root access
Jun 07 02:51:01 <edt> ifconfig is not found as 'user'
Jun 07 02:51:17 <kamui> . /sbin/ifconfig
Jun 07 02:51:19 <kamui> try that
Jun 07 02:51:58 <edt> yes
Jun 07 02:52:04 <edt> figured that out too
Jun 07 02:52:05 <edt> thanks
Jun 07 02:52:27 <kamui> so that worked or you're being sarcastic and letting me know you've already tried that
Jun 07 02:52:36 <kamui> I have yet to install the console on my shiny new n800
Jun 07 02:52:38 <edt> is there a shortcut to go to full screen
Jun 07 02:52:57 <kamui> Im still trying to get this god damn pan internet connection working
Jun 07 02:53:10 <edt> not sarcastic - kicking myself for asking a stupid question
Jun 07 02:53:36 <edt> mine is about 5 hours old now
Jun 07 02:53:42 <kamui> :)
Jun 07 02:53:46 <edt> yep
Jun 07 02:53:48 <kamui> well Im glad im not the only new one in here
Jun 07 02:53:58 <kamui> I haven't even tried to install any new software yet
Jun 07 02:54:05 <edt> birthdays presents can be fun
Jun 07 02:54:23 <kamui> Happy Birthday to you then buddy :)
Jun 07 02:54:33 <edt> thanks
Jun 07 02:59:31 <rwhitby> edt: The Connection Manager also has a menu item to show the network address
Jun 07 02:59:46 <kamui> looks like I "MAY" have found a script will allow a pan connection to my Dash
Jun 07 02:59:49 <kamui> this is such a damn chore
Jun 07 02:59:57 <kamui> not at all what I expected when I bought this thing
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