**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 07 02:59:58 2007 Jun 07 03:00:10 otherwise I feel It may replace my C3000 Jun 07 03:02:21 isn't this supposed to support WPA-PSK TKIP? Jun 07 03:05:19 wpa wooks here Jun 07 03:06:14 I just fixed it Jun 07 03:06:22 looks like I thumbed the wrong password :-D Jun 07 03:06:37 now if I can find a way to get this pan ics working I think Ill be really happy Jun 07 03:07:26 its nice to be able to ssh into the box Jun 07 03:07:43 see http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/category/n800/ Jun 07 03:07:57 he has some good stuff doced Jun 07 03:09:39 hello, where can I find some slides about maemo ? thx ! Jun 07 03:14:55 rwhitby thanks - with the pointer I found it Jun 07 03:17:06 ruby on rails describes my last bondage fetish girlfriend Jun 07 03:17:16 HO-guage Jun 07 03:26:47 sems that rwhitby site is down now Jun 07 03:27:16 I sure hope not Jun 07 03:28:34 looks up to me Jun 07 03:32:26 there we go, its magically back :) Jun 07 03:33:58 I restarted the web server :-) Jun 07 03:37:32 thanks Jun 07 03:37:40 Im using your guide to set up my new n800 Jun 07 03:37:49 then Ill tackle PAN ICS Jun 07 03:39:45 * cesman_away is back. Jun 07 04:19:18 rwhitby u still there Jun 07 04:19:30 I install becomeroot, but how do I actually BECOME root? Jun 07 04:19:42 I tried SU'ing but I get a this app needs privaledges Jun 07 04:19:49 sudo gainroot Jun 07 04:19:51 and sudo su also fails with that default root password Jun 07 04:19:52 ohhh Jun 07 04:20:46 sweet, thanks man Jun 07 04:26:08 can I set a password on my regular user account? Jun 07 04:26:15 or is this a bad idea that could break stuff Jun 07 05:29:10 GOOGLE taking over the world... Jun 07 05:29:58 http://maps.google.com/maps Jun 07 05:30:07 try the new street view feature... Jun 07 05:41:55 is there any reason why after editing my systemui.xml that the soft power off option wouldn't be in my menu after a reset? Jun 07 06:05:58 hi Jun 07 07:11:33 morning! Jun 07 07:12:44 hello Jun 07 07:22:49 anybody have any experience with mono on maemo? Jun 07 07:30:53 Just python. Is mono already working properly in maemo? Jun 07 07:31:01 How much does mono weight? Jun 07 07:32:29 I just ran the installer Jun 07 07:32:37 but I can't seem to find mcs or gmcs (the compilers) Jun 07 07:35:09 did you install it on device? Jun 07 07:35:26 yeah, but I think I missed a couple libraries Jun 07 07:35:26 I don't think that installer contains compilers. Jun 07 07:35:42 Did you install from here: http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo Jun 07 07:35:48 yeah Jun 07 07:36:10 The install there only contains the runtime Jun 07 07:36:34 You should compile the app on mono on your pc. Jun 07 07:36:52 You can install mono 'devkit' on windows and linux. Jun 07 07:37:30 just compile on your desktop, test the app, when it works, copy it to your n800 / 770 and run it there. Jun 07 07:37:50 I've looked into python as well, is that easy to create gui apps? Jun 07 07:38:09 python is really nice for creating pretty much anything. Jun 07 07:38:20 I did ukmp on it: Jun 07 07:38:35 there's a small video: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/05/ukmp-10-outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi.html Jun 07 07:39:03 Do you want to make gtk app or a full graphic app? Jun 07 07:39:44 either Jun 07 07:39:56 Ok, well, python is great for both. Jun 07 07:40:06 do you recommend any tutorials? Jun 07 07:41:09 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html Jun 07 07:41:34 what clock applet is that on your demo? Jun 07 07:42:00 pretty sweet app btw :) Jun 07 07:42:07 Oh, that's just part of the theme. Jun 07 07:42:16 I just made the clock bg image transparent. Jun 07 07:43:25 no way to create an applet in python, right? Jun 07 07:43:31 No yet. Jun 07 07:43:41 Next firmware will hopefully allow it. Jun 07 07:45:05 if you want to create a full graphic based app like UKMP, then you need ot use pygame (part of the python install) Jun 07 07:45:16 http://www.pygame.org/news.html Jun 07 07:46:04 if I just want to use standard controls, I just need the pygtk, right? Jun 07 07:46:09 yeah Jun 07 07:46:53 And that maemo tutorial should help you through it nicely. Jun 07 07:47:14 thanks Jun 07 07:51:41 exit Jun 07 08:08:23 konttori: is there a way to exit ukmp using a hardware key? Jun 07 08:08:29 (ukmp is pretty cool, btw - used it for the first time for a vidcast and a podcast on the bus to and from work) Jun 07 08:12:29 Nope, no hardware key. Just press the fullscreen toggle and then close the app normally. Jun 07 08:14:07 I did have close binded to a key at some point, but it was all too easy to accidentally press it, so I opted for a no hardware key approach. Jun 07 08:14:25 I probably should add an exit button to the app somewhere. Jun 07 08:15:22 rwhitby: Did you already upgrade to UKMP 1.1? Jun 07 08:15:39 konttori: what about the normal usage of holding down the back arrow, which normally closes an application but can't be pushed accidentally Jun 07 08:16:10 I use back to switch between views. So, it would even then be a bit accidental to hold it down. Jun 07 08:16:12 good morning Jun 07 08:16:29 how about holding it down a *long* time ;-) Jun 07 08:16:34 OTOH, that is the button I would choose as well. Jun 07 08:16:41 that was the first thing I tried instinctively Jun 07 08:16:50 (cause all the other apps do that) Jun 07 08:17:07 They do? In that case, I'll add that as well. Jun 07 08:17:35 ok. 2 secs down and close. I'll add that to next version. Jun 07 08:17:54 yep, running 1.1 (had to look for it, cause it's called mediacenter rather than ukmp) Jun 07 08:18:54 I'll fix the name as well. good point. Jun 07 08:19:09 konttori: the other thing I will be looking for is a way to delete files easily (this is for the "listen to a podcast, and then delete it and listen to the next one" use case) Jun 07 08:19:54 Indeed. I've been wanting to do that as well. I thought I'd add that at the same time with party queue, but maybe that's something to be added even sooner. Jun 07 08:19:59 (but that can be in a menu item, you wouldn't want to press a key for that accidentally) Jun 07 08:21:11 I was thinking that user should choose mode to be delete mode. Then when you click on a song, it will be deleted. Sounds good? Jun 07 08:21:27 I'm coming from a background of using Pocket Tunes on a Treo 650 for podcast and audio listening, so that colours my opinions. Jun 07 08:21:33 Then you could delete many songs in a row easily. Jun 07 08:22:06 hmm - that would be good for multiple deletes, but for the podcast use case I'd only ever want to delete one at a time, so just a menu->file->delete would be fine Jun 07 08:23:15 Since in that use case I'd only delete a file every half hour or hour, I wouldn't even care if it had a confirm dialog box as well :-) Jun 07 08:24:05 Hmm... I'm not sure if I can use GTK menus in a pygame app. I'll have to check into that. Jun 07 09:20:28 hi Jun 07 09:20:42 I'd like to know if its possible to develop for maemo with debian-ppc Jun 07 09:21:00 I mean, if there is any problem with the arch Jun 07 09:50:50 what's the easiest way to connect to the n800 through ssh ? Jun 07 09:51:17 wanted to search gmane but it's borked Jun 07 09:51:47 install the ssh package Jun 07 09:51:50 Install openssh? ;) Jun 07 09:52:27 guardian: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/n800/n800-initial-setup.html Jun 07 09:53:48 i installed ssh package Jun 07 09:53:50 sshd is running Jun 07 09:53:53 what's user/pass ? Jun 07 09:54:00 root/rootme Jun 07 09:54:42 and the pass for user ? Jun 07 09:57:10 rwhitby: what's the use of becomeroot when you can login as root with ssh ? Jun 07 09:58:45 you don't need ssh with becomeroot :) Jun 07 09:59:27 and you enter the wonderful world of the command line through and virtual keyboard joy ? :) Jun 07 09:59:38 -through Jun 07 09:59:53 yep Jun 07 10:05:07 guardian: in case you're not near another computer and only have a wifi connection Jun 07 10:05:44 (yes, I have both methods combined in the one blog entry there with no explanation) Jun 07 10:09:03 fixed Jun 07 10:10:21 reminder for everyone.. if you enable ssh, change the root password Jun 07 10:10:31 ..or get rooted Jun 07 10:31:30 thx for the help Jun 07 11:31:55 would someone know how can I use wlancond to make scan request? I tried with osso functions and keep getting OSSO_RPC_ERROR Jun 07 12:22:28 hello, how to pronounce the word "maemo" ? thx! Jun 07 12:23:31 timeless: around? Jun 07 12:24:13 or, later actually, got to run.- Jun 07 12:28:03 is there anyone who knows what enprocess is or does ? Jun 07 12:36:16 mhzhu: mah-amo Jun 07 12:47:53 ok, so what's the correct way to upgrade my n800 (with the original software) to the latest 3.1 version ? Jun 07 12:48:03 is it reflashing and losing all my data/new apps ? or is there a better way ? Jun 07 12:48:44 that's the only way to do it properly. Jun 07 12:49:24 you could try and flash the kernel and upgrade the rootfs in place from the repository, but I do things like that for the NSLU2 and I don't think I'd attempt it on the n800. Jun 07 12:50:49 nomis: thx! Jun 07 13:27:37 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `osso_g_scanner_cache_open' Jun 07 13:28:02 someone Jun 07 13:28:20 know where is defined osso_g_scanner_cache_open ? Jun 07 13:29:01 geaaru: it must be included in the glib Jun 07 13:29:12 let me guess, you had a dist-upgrade? Jun 07 13:29:37 i try Jun 07 13:29:39 ty Jun 07 13:32:57 pulsar_: after dist-upgrade works, also if i have some error with some package Jun 07 13:39:17 but then on n800 i have some problem because on bora env there isn't libpangocairo :( Jun 07 13:45:40 let me see if its in one of the repositories i have set up on the n800 Jun 07 13:46:48 well, there is a libpango and libcairo2 but not that one which you have mentioned. Jun 07 13:47:06 libpangocairo sounds like BS btw :) Jun 07 13:47:23 libpangocairo comes with pango, if it is built with cairo support (which it isn't on N800 AFAIK) Jun 07 13:48:30 wau, if isn't on n800 because is linked? :'( Jun 07 13:50:56 sorry i'm under sardine release and so pango is with cairo support Jun 07 13:51:07 geaaru: install libpango1.0-0 and see if it includes the cairo support. Jun 07 13:51:45 or whatever version is up to date on sardine Jun 07 13:52:54 The package is 1.0-0, version is 1.16.4 Jun 07 13:53:59 pulsar_: my fault, on my scratchbox i have up to date sardine version while, on n800 bora relaese, now i try to compile with a new bora scratchbox env Jun 07 13:54:01 thank Jun 07 14:04:30 help needed again Jun 07 14:04:47 I'm trying very hard to install anjuta, and it seems it requires gdl-1.0 Jun 07 14:05:33 the gdl that comes with ubuntu feisty doesn't seem to be up to date enough, so I downloaded the source package and managed to ./configure make make install it Jun 07 14:06:17 gdl works from the command line allright, but I still can't ./configure anjuta source package, because it can't find gdl:s pkg-config file Jun 07 14:07:10 how can I create it so that I can use pkg-config to find out the associated libraries and include files? Jun 07 14:16:15 In a general sense, if I install something from sources, how do I make pkg-config find it afterwards? Jun 07 14:16:27 anybody? Jun 07 14:19:40 Mikho: export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/prefix/lib/pkgconfig Jun 07 14:20:57 but there's no .pc file Jun 07 14:21:04 where does it come from? Jun 07 14:33:05 Mikho, why don't you use the anjuta packaged for ubuntu? Jun 07 14:33:17 because it's anjuta, not anjuta2 Jun 07 14:34:18 are there translucent windows/widgets in gtk ? i would like to have a translucent window/widget on top of other windows Jun 07 14:50:21 anybody get mono working? Jun 07 14:50:34 linux newbie lesson no. 1: Don't bother install anything from sources. You'll just get lost in the dependency-jungle. Instead search for a ready-made package. Jun 07 14:51:01 linux newbie lesson no. 1: If you can't find the package, forget about the software. It's not worth the trouble. Jun 07 14:51:22 hm, that was two lessons Jun 07 14:54:01 jga23: yes... Jun 07 14:55:06 b0unc3: how do you get mcs and gmcs on the device? Jun 07 14:57:09 jga23: you probably don't need them on the device Jun 07 14:58:14 b0unc3: fair enough..... were you able to get 2.0 libraries? the mono maemo install only had 1.0 Jun 07 14:59:34 jga23: I follow http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo and this http://maemo.org/community/wiki/mono Jun 07 15:00:22 yeah, I did the single install click Jun 07 15:01:15 me too Jun 07 15:01:40 when I tried to execute a program it was looking for the 2.0/mscorlib Jun 07 15:01:49 but all that was installed was the 1.0/mscorlib Jun 07 15:02:44 I have 1.0/mscorlib and 2.0/mscorlib Jun 07 15:05:01 jga23: you find libmono-system2.0-cil with apt ? Jun 07 15:05:14 yeah, I just installed that :) Jun 07 15:05:23 trying to run my app again... Jun 07 15:06:56 great, that works Jun 07 15:06:57 thanks Jun 07 15:07:28 jga23: np :) Jun 07 15:09:12 so theres no way to get the gmcs and mcs on the device? Jun 07 15:10:18 jga23: I have them on scratchbox Jun 07 15:31:29 watching code while ./configure make make install:ing feels a bit like Matrix Jun 07 15:32:06 blonde, redhead, uninitialized variable Jun 07 15:32:26 :) Jun 07 15:35:40 success! after 6 hours and 30 mins I finally managed to install anjuta2 \o/ Jun 07 16:04:42 is it possible that a restore of 110 mb is terribly slow ? Jun 07 16:04:58 it's been going at it for three hours now and it's at 15%, restoring email messages Jun 07 16:05:04 hmm Jun 07 16:05:15 entirely possible.. it progresses at leas? Jun 07 16:05:57 thomasvs: Sounds a bit slow, but the flash is indeed slow (doubly so since it's compressed) Jun 07 16:18:33 gla55: it progresses, but I have a plane in a little bit :) Jun 07 16:18:46 gla55: not sure if my batteries will hold for that long while it is restoring Jun 07 16:19:07 shit Jun 07 16:19:11 I just cancelled it by accident Jun 07 16:29:39 anybody using anjuta? Any problems with the project manager? Jun 07 16:30:03 Like even if you create and load a new project, it says "no project loaded" on the project page? Jun 07 16:32:54 oh, it seems to be because of a older version of gnome-build library Jun 07 16:33:11 it seems they forgot to update the dependency :/ Jun 07 17:15:10 indeed, the problem was with an old libgbf Jun 07 18:23:47 hi d Jun 07 18:23:49 there Jun 07 18:24:58 stupid problem... Jun 07 18:25:23 i want to autostart a sdl-app as last prog to come up Jun 07 18:25:34 i added a script in init.d Jun 07 18:25:43 gave it +x with chmod Jun 07 18:26:32 added a softlink to it in rc.2 Jun 07 18:26:34 rc2.d Jun 07 18:26:46 doesnt work Jun 07 18:26:53 (link name: S99appname) Jun 07 18:28:13 where else should i add a programm to autostart?? Jun 07 18:29:01 Do you set up the environment (DISPLAY, possibly others)? Jun 07 18:29:50 ?? what environemt could it need?? it works when the n800 is running - i connect myself via ssh - cd to the app's basedir and write ./appname Jun 07 18:29:56 my script does: Jun 07 18:29:59 cd /appname Jun 07 18:30:03 ./appname Jun 07 18:30:13 (and starts with #!/bin/sh Jun 07 18:32:14 If you log in via ssh, it sets up the environment (try 'echo $GTK2_RC_FILES' for example in the ssh session) Jun 07 18:33:05 Nokia-N800-10:/sme# echo $GTK2_RC_FILES Jun 07 18:33:05 /home/user/.osso/current-gtk-theme:/home/user/.osso/current-gtk-key-theme Jun 07 18:33:05 Nokia-N800-10:/sme# Jun 07 18:33:06 Your sdl APP really needs at least the DISPLAY to find the X server Jun 07 18:33:11 okay Jun 07 18:33:23 $DISPLAY is $0:0 Jun 07 18:33:47 something like su user run-standalone.sh ./app? Jun 07 18:34:05 * sp3000 speculates wildly Jun 07 18:34:10 That'd work I guess Jun 07 18:35:23 'source /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh' in the beginning of the rc script might do it too Jun 07 18:35:37 ok... Jun 07 18:35:38 thanks Jun 07 18:36:53 <||cw> an X app should start from init.d, you shoudl use xinit Jun 07 18:36:59 <||cw> er, shoudln't start frm init,d Jun 07 18:37:25 <||cw> af-init is the osso equiv of xinit? Jun 07 18:37:29 No Jun 07 18:37:39 display was it Jun 07 18:38:02 af-init is just a collective name for the startup scripts specific to maemo, AFAIK Jun 07 18:54:02 Hi to all ... Jun 07 18:54:09 hi mk8 Jun 07 20:05:00 vmware 6 running the scratchbox image...can't get it to work.. Jun 07 20:16:44 https://www.mediamax.com/ Jun 07 20:16:59 saw it on a post on maemo.org Jun 07 20:17:04 25GB free Jun 07 20:27:05 is it fast? Jun 07 20:28:02 you can setup an ubuntu vmware image and install scratchbox Jun 07 20:28:28 lazy Jun 07 20:28:57 i want to use the already made VM of scratchbox.. Jun 07 20:29:02 works on my XP Jun 07 20:29:06 very fast Jun 07 20:29:15 desktop that is.. Jun 07 20:29:41 going to try 5.5.3 and see if the error is only in 6 Jun 07 20:29:50 where is the image Jun 07 20:29:52 maybe i can try it Jun 07 20:29:55 i got 6 running Jun 07 20:30:06 its big.. Jun 07 20:30:20 give me url Jun 07 20:30:48 http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 Jun 07 20:31:11 http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 Jun 07 20:31:13 oh ok Jun 07 20:31:18 hehe i just google'd it Jun 07 20:31:30 it has an old ass ubuntu Jun 07 20:31:39 it works... Jun 07 20:31:59 you can update.. Jun 07 20:32:03 heh Jun 07 20:32:19 I got mine with the latest Jun 07 20:35:07 I would mind installing ubuntu and then setting up scratchbox.. Jun 07 20:35:27 me too but now I got it done Jun 07 20:35:38 'but i'm going to try the appliance in 5.5.3 and if that doesn't work.. Jun 07 20:35:40 didnt know about that image Jun 07 20:35:46 give manually a try Jun 07 20:36:08 just a tip use ubuntu Jun 07 20:36:12 its a pain in other dristro Jun 07 20:36:45 I have 0.1 running as well (in osx) no probs installing it. Jun 07 20:38:15 Hey guys - anyone have an N800? ;) Jun 07 20:38:24 Yeah Jun 07 20:38:26 i have osx86 running....i should try to run vmware fusion on that... Jun 07 20:38:33 but i doubt speed will be up to par Jun 07 20:38:42 Fusion runs brilliantly. Jun 07 20:38:42 I'd just love to try the Internet Call thing, could someone add me/me add someone so we could try it? Jun 07 20:38:44 Full speed Jun 07 20:38:52 on osx legal.. Jun 07 20:38:58 i have a hackintosh Jun 07 20:39:00 Just allocate a bit more ram than default. Jun 07 20:39:08 I have mac mini as well Jun 07 20:39:10 only have 1GB of ram.. Jun 07 20:39:16 1 gig here as well Jun 07 20:39:30 tried running a developer livecd...and it froze after i unzipped a file.. Jun 07 20:39:46 it defaults to 256 megs of ram. Allocate 384 and you should be just fine Jun 07 20:40:00 and still be able to run all apps pretty much normal Jun 07 20:40:09 in osx and ubuntu Jun 07 20:41:30 Anyone? Jun 07 20:41:41 i have 1 Jun 07 20:41:46 own Jun 07 20:42:04 guessing alot of people in here own one... Jun 07 20:42:18 22:37 < toresbe> I'd just love to try the Internet Call thing, could someone add me/me add someone so we could try it? Jun 07 20:43:11 hmmmm. just woke up man....very anal about how i look when i just got up.... Jun 07 20:43:14 hehe Jun 07 20:43:15 that has to wait Jun 07 20:43:36 For the record, I've been gardening for hours now Jun 07 20:43:39 I look worse ;P Jun 07 20:43:56 k, i will point the camera at the laptop screen... Jun 07 20:44:06 les do it Jun 07 20:44:23 :) Jun 07 20:44:27 I'm toresbe@jabber.org Jun 07 20:44:41 k Jun 07 20:44:43 hold on Jun 07 20:47:59 i sent u an invite Jun 07 20:48:09 contact offline Jun 07 20:48:40 I should get the offer soon Jun 07 20:49:19 no such luck Jun 07 20:49:56 hold Jun 07 20:50:30 do you have gmail instead? Jun 07 20:50:47 sure, but that shouldn't matter Jun 07 20:51:06 check now Jun 07 20:51:20 i sent u an autorization request Jun 07 20:52:18 haven't gotten it Jun 07 20:52:23 let's try with Google Talk. Jun 07 20:52:27 I'm toresbe@gmail.com Jun 07 20:53:37 Hello? Jun 07 20:53:51 N800: Maybe we should take this into a PM. May I PM you? Jun 07 20:54:00 yes Jun 07 20:54:26 let me get in on some of this pm'ing action Jun 07 20:54:46 xchat was never successfully run on the n800? Jun 07 20:55:18 it runs Jun 07 20:55:39 is there a but following that or it works fine Jun 07 20:55:49 I've been using gaim irc plugin, but that is really weak Jun 07 20:55:55 all types of little glitches Jun 07 21:02:30 use xchat... Jun 07 21:02:35 2.8 Jun 07 21:02:43 not the 2.6 version Jun 07 21:02:50 and it works.. Jun 07 21:03:10 think someone compiled irssi if you are a cmd line fan Jun 07 21:04:49 I love irssi, but I hate the thumbkeyboards operation in xterm Jun 07 21:05:05 it does this crappy multiline thing and then I have to "close" it to send the output Jun 07 21:05:29 Its managable with the gtalk type, press return and it closes and sends teh text in one shot Jun 07 21:05:58 n800: mind giving me a hint on finding xchat? Jun 07 21:06:31 I have a ton of repos, but it doesn't seem to be in any, and on teh maemo.org downloads page it appears to be dead Jun 07 21:06:44 though Im only about 10 hours into owning this thing Jun 07 21:10:18 hold on Jun 07 21:10:52 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/wp/archives/2007/02/08/x-chat-strikes-back/ Jun 07 21:10:56 kamui Jun 07 21:11:00 that shoud hep Jun 07 21:11:02 help Jun 07 21:12:51 oh, that rocks Jun 07 21:12:54 thanks n800 Jun 07 21:16:30 where I can get the deb of the bash port for maemo ? Jun 07 21:18:19 I had dreams of onboard development, though those dreams are thinning Jun 07 21:18:40 not alot of room... Jun 07 21:18:47 at least until I can get bluetooth keyboard, and maybe a gcc port Jun 07 21:19:10 why not, i have a 2gig internal SD and another 2 gig microsd in the adapter in the external slot Jun 07 21:19:12 and two 8gb sd cards Jun 07 21:19:14 seems like plenty of space Jun 07 21:19:30 I had gnu c and c++ on my zaurus Jun 07 21:19:32 :) Jun 07 21:19:43 granted it had a 4gig microdrive Jun 07 21:20:00 and a pretty nice keyboard Jun 07 21:21:24 N800, is there a place where I can find most of the application catalags for teh n770 and n800? Jun 07 21:22:01 maemo.org Jun 07 21:22:07 been there Jun 07 21:22:12 nothing exciting Jun 07 21:22:32 unless Im missing something Jun 07 21:23:04 I have mameo base, mameo developers, mameo hackers and I enabled red pill mode, which I honestly have no idea what it does Jun 07 21:23:40 allows u to dl stuff still in development i think... Jun 07 21:23:45 unstable stuff Jun 07 21:23:59 u should go back to the blue.. Jun 07 21:24:28 red pill allows you to download packages (which could be totally stable and released by nokia) which are not normally visible Jun 07 21:24:54 nothing to do with stability of the packages - that's orthogonal Jun 07 21:25:13 which could be Jun 07 21:25:14 ? Jun 07 21:25:19 kamui: go to garage too Jun 07 21:25:57 unique311: magic:sys for a start - released by nokia, totally stable, part of the base firmware install, only visible in red pill mode Jun 07 21:27:34 kamui: https://garage.maemo.org/ Jun 07 21:29:35 hmm, I can't believe I still haven't been to the garage Jun 07 21:29:41 seen references everywhere and never went Jun 07 21:29:46 well, time to look around Jun 07 21:30:07 It would be nice if someone was able to fix some of the nagging input issues on this thing Jun 07 21:30:22 occasional missed or thumboard keypress Jun 07 21:30:31 stop the mini keyboard from autopopping up Jun 07 21:30:36 I hate that mini keyboard Jun 07 21:30:39 HATE Jun 07 21:30:52 how about a transparent thumboard. that would be awesome Jun 07 21:36:50 kamui: seen the screenshots near the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/OnScreenKeyboard ? Jun 07 21:38:13 thats awesome Jun 07 21:38:18 just what Im looking for Jun 07 21:38:24 maybe the letters being a little more dominant Jun 07 21:38:44 not available though for us right Jun 07 21:38:49 not yet. Jun 07 21:39:08 but something like it might well be part of what gets implemented in Ubuntu Jun 07 21:39:18 and which Nokia might want to suck back in for their N800 firmware. Jun 07 21:42:00 Are there any PC programs apart from the Nokia one compatible with the video "Internet call" deal? Jun 07 21:42:21 yes Jun 07 21:42:34 there's the nici client for windows Jun 07 21:42:43 Anything for non-windows? Jun 07 21:42:48 and some opensource thing where a strange svn branch works Jun 07 21:42:49 "apart from the Nokia one" Jun 07 21:43:08 Some opensource thing? Would that be gaim/pidgin? Jun 07 21:43:27 na Jun 07 21:43:38