**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 11 02:59:57 2007
Jun 11 05:48:33 * cesman is away: Gone away for now.
Jun 11 06:35:05 <mattsqz> hooray openbox works on my 770
Jun 11 06:35:13 <mattsqz> now muck about with kde ;)
Jun 11 06:56:10 <jga23> is there a way to create a shortcut to a python script in the application menu?
Jun 11 07:01:20 <melmoth> jga23, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html
Jun 11 07:01:25 <melmoth> see desktop integration
Jun 11 07:13:10 <mattsqz> bzip2 gives errors, crap
Jun 11 07:24:41 <mattsqz> im just gonna mount the ext2 on my mmc and unzip to that
Jun 11 07:29:47 <Gathaja> is there an easy way to fix sudoers? Or do I need to install all again
Jun 11 08:08:39 <AD-N770> good morning
Jun 11 08:29:12 <konttori> morning!
Jun 11 08:31:24 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jun 11 09:08:01 <konttori> hey, is nokia going to release the new firmware today, as rumored?
Jun 11 09:08:06 <konttori> If so, at what time?
Jun 11 09:09:02 <koen> konttori: it isn't friday :)
Jun 11 09:09:34 <konttori> really? I thought it was supposed to be on the 11th. (well rumored to be).
Jun 11 09:09:42 <konttori> Might remember incorrectly though.
Jun 11 09:11:50 <konttori> Ahh.. got the impression from here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6569&highlight=firmware
Jun 11 09:12:49 <koen> afaik nokia always releases on friday
Jun 11 09:15:12 <axx_> Hi all. I have a Nokia 770 and my ISP requires a PPPoE connection over my configured WiFi connection
Jun 11 09:15:51 <axx_> what are the possibilities to set up a PPPoE connection?
Jun 11 09:16:22 <melmoth> konttori, how long did it take between the mail you posted to have upload access on extra, and the first reply you got ?
Jun 11 09:17:12 <konttori> I haven't gotten the access to extra as far as I remember.
Jun 11 09:17:32 <konttori> The extra upload process seemed so complicated that I decided it wasn't worth it.
Jun 11 09:19:28 <rwhitby> konttori: did you see the work on a2dp reported here yesterday?
Jun 11 09:19:39 <rwhitby> http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA
Jun 11 09:20:14 <konttori> I did see in summary that it seems to be working.
Jun 11 09:20:16 <rwhitby> it would be a great addition to ukmp to be able to stream mono podcasts into my existing mono bluetooth headset :-)
Jun 11 09:20:33 <rwhitby> (using sco and the headset profile I guess)
Jun 11 09:20:50 <konttori> Indeed, it would rock. But I think I'll wait just a while before lunging forward to the ALSA world.
Jun 11 09:21:07 <konttori> As next firmware might well support headset profiles out of the box.
Jun 11 09:21:16 <axx_> or can you tell me some web page, where I can read about configuring the PPPoE?
Jun 11 09:22:21 <rwhitby> konttori: no worries - as long as I've wedged that into the back of your mind I'm happy :-)
Jun 11 09:22:40 <konttori> By the way, I'll release ukmp 1.2 on Wednesday. It'll have quite many improvements.
Jun 11 09:22:50 <konttori> cool. thanks!
Jun 11 09:23:12 <rwhitby> no, thank you!
Jun 11 09:23:42 <konttori> cool. 690 people downloaded ukmp 1.0, 476 have downloaded 1.1.
Jun 11 09:24:16 <konttori> Makes me think on how many devices there are out there.
Jun 11 09:25:02 <konttori> And how to reach those people who have n800, but do not read internettablettalk nor planet maemo.
Jun 11 09:26:00 <konttori> It would be great if nokia included extras as a default repository.
Jun 11 09:26:15 <konttori> (and had python there as default)
Jun 11 09:27:59 <gla55> it would be great if the default repos had most of the stuff that really is available..
Jun 11 09:29:01 <rwhitby> heh - that would require developers agreeing on putting stuff in a single repo location ...
Jun 11 09:29:19 <rwhitby> instead of just hosting .deb files on their private web space
Jun 11 09:29:32 <gla55> or someone at nokia to copy those debs to their repos
Jun 11 09:29:40 <konttori> I was trying to get Nokia to allow the downloads.maemo.org to support direct upload to extras repo.
Jun 11 09:29:54 <rwhitby> no, source always has to be alongside the .deb, or the .deb bitrots.
Jun 11 09:30:09 <konttori> Imagine how easy it would be to update your library / application by just uploading it to extras repo.
Jun 11 09:30:26 <konttori> downloads.maemo.org could then automatically create install file for the deb.
Jun 11 09:30:39 <X-Fade> konttori: There is a api for updating now..
Jun 11 09:30:56 <X-Fade> http://maemo.org/downloads/__ais/help/org.openpsa.products/api.html
Jun 11 09:31:26 <X-Fade> It is available since Friday ;)
Jun 11 09:32:26 <konttori> how do you use that?
Jun 11 09:32:30 <X-Fade> At least you can keep the catalog updated that way..
Jun 11 09:32:41 <X-Fade> konttori: Just http-post..
Jun 11 09:32:47 <X-Fade> http://maemo.org/downloads/__ais/help/org.openpsa.products/api_product_update.html
Jun 11 09:33:33 <konttori> but that is basically the same as downloads.maemo.org upload form
Jun 11 09:33:40 <konttori> right?
Jun 11 09:34:12 <konttori> so, it won't add the application to extras repository, right?
Jun 11 09:34:15 <axx_> \quit
Jun 11 09:34:20 <X-Fade> Yeah, but I think you can now add this to your release package script..
Jun 11 09:34:35 <X-Fade> So it makes it a little easier..
Jun 11 09:35:17 <konttori> Well, I prefer releasing manually.
Jun 11 09:35:30 <konttori> It's not like I would be releasing every night.
Jun 11 09:36:10 <X-Fade> Hehe ;)
Jun 11 10:17:23 <SeRi> any body in?
Jun 11 10:55:08 <konttori> SeRi: 173 people seem to be in. Just ask if you need answers.
Jun 11 10:56:21 <unique311> where's my update nokia
Jun 11 10:58:44 <SeRi> hey waz up Konttori!
Jun 11 10:59:02 <SeRi> Hold your breath unique you might get it! :)
Jun 11 10:59:15 <konttori> unique311: koen pointed out earlier that nokia always releases on friday.
Jun 11 10:59:32 <konttori> SeRi: not much. working on 1.2 of UKMP.
Jun 11 10:59:36 <koen> 'usually'
Jun 11 10:59:44 <konttori> SeRi: and you?
Jun 11 10:59:57 <unique311> maybe that got tired of being predictable..
Jun 11 11:00:07 <unique311> and decide monday is a good day..
Jun 11 11:00:18 <SeRi> c00l... Nothing much ether just another day fixing the kids PC... corrupted reg...
Jun 11 11:00:34 <SeRi> lol @ unique
Jun 11 11:00:38 <unique311> i got this app compile...called camserv....
Jun 11 11:01:08 <unique311> maemo does v4l correct..or is it vl4?
Jun 11 11:01:19 <SeRi> c00l mind if I take a look?
Jun 11 11:01:45 <konttori> I don't think any company want's to launch on Monday. If you would, then people would have to work on Sunday to finalise it.
Jun 11 11:02:25 <unique311> camserv sucks...
Jun 11 11:02:28 <unique311> will not stream..
Jun 11 11:02:32 <unique311> can't figure it out..
Jun 11 11:02:39 <unique311> it compile with no errors...
Jun 11 11:02:47 <dpb_> konttori: unless they finalise it on friday but waits to release it on monday..
Jun 11 11:03:07 <konttori> Which doesn't make sense, as you might as well launch it on friday
Jun 11 11:03:14 <unique311> go to divshare.org and search for group N800
Jun 11 11:03:14 <SeRi> konttori: did you saw that there is A2DP support available? maybe you can be the first to release it on a media player
Jun 11 11:03:18 <unique311> its located there
Jun 11 11:03:29 <konttori> I did notice it.
Jun 11 11:04:01 <unique311> how about i call nokia up, and demand a update
Jun 11 11:04:06 <unique311> that should be fun..
Jun 11 11:04:08 <konttori> But I won't support it immediately. as 1. I don't have such a headset. 2. Nokia might have similar functionality in next firmware
Jun 11 11:04:25 <SeRi> ahhh That make since
Jun 11 11:04:35 <unique311> link for A2DP
Jun 11 11:04:43 <unique311> i have a  bluetooth headset
Jun 11 11:05:07 <SeRi> http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA
Jun 11 11:05:18 <unique311> trevarth1n was working on that also...
Jun 11 11:05:46 <unique311> it is his project
Jun 11 11:06:07 <SeRi> I saw it in my logs :)
Jun 11 11:07:06 <SeRi> long day 2day.... I might start my N800 face mod
Jun 11 11:07:22 <unique311> thinking the same..
Jun 11 11:07:41 <unique311> gonna collect my airbrush kit from my buddy...
Jun 11 11:08:22 <unique311> i have to do something with it..
Jun 11 11:08:30 <unique311> its just been sitting around lately...
Jun 11 11:08:42 <SeRi> I am going tonight to get my tatto retouch so I better get it all done today... my leg will be hurting for a few weeks
Jun 11 11:11:51 <SeRi> should be fun....
Jun 11 11:21:18 <SeRi> man wtf damn computer wont cd the damn xp cd
Jun 11 11:21:30 <SeRi> man this is why I sat away from windows
Jun 11 11:21:39 <SeRi> stay*
Jun 11 11:44:23 <unique311> anybody figure out the issue with the camserv i compiled..
Jun 11 11:45:23 <unique311> guessing right now its because v4l is calling the camera app..and thats not allowed...gstreamer v4l is supposed to call the camera...and thats not in my resume.
Jun 11 11:45:34 <unique311> seri/
Jun 11 11:45:35 <unique311> ?
Jun 11 11:45:43 <SeRi> waz up
Jun 11 11:46:03 <unique311> did ya try the camserv?
Jun 11 11:46:35 <SeRi> not yet sorry got in to fixing the kids computer the damn thing wont boot due to corrupted reg
Jun 11 11:46:42 <unique311> k
Jun 11 12:23:13 <fish_> re
Jun 11 12:43:42 <Sho_> Anyone happen to know whether Canola has DAPP Support, btw?
Jun 11 12:43:45 <Sho_> *DAAP
Jun 11 13:08:53 <fatal-> has anybody recompiled the xserver? I'm a bit puzzled what packages I need to be able to recompile it
Jun 11 13:10:46 <inz> Doesn't debian/control tell you the build-dependencies?
Jun 11 13:12:28 <fatal-> hmm. apparently yes.
Jun 11 13:16:03 <kulve> run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot"
Jun 11 13:16:09 <kulve> it will list all the missing build deps"
Jun 11 13:16:10 <kulve> -"
Jun 11 14:05:03 <Milhouse2> planet.maemo.org down? not loading here in london
Jun 11 14:05:13 <Milhouse2> maemo.org seems ok
Jun 11 14:05:53 <Milhouse2> hmmm http 500 error accessing bugzilla - interanl server error. maemo.ord in meltdown it would appear
Jun 11 14:06:36 <X-Fade> Yeah, it is dead for me too.
Jun 11 14:07:23 <X-Fade> Probably because they are uploading the new firmware :D
Jun 11 14:07:41 <Milhouse2> lol
Jun 11 14:09:25 * melmoth feels like it s christmass eve
Jun 11 14:09:39 <melmoth> i wonder if my poney will be there....
Jun 11 14:14:34 <Milhouse2> planet seems to be back (but slow) and bugzilla still down
Jun 11 14:17:19 <Milhouse2> bugzilla back :)
Jun 11 14:18:00 <pupnik> yaay
Jun 11 14:39:34 <jga23> anybody know when support for python applet building will come?
Jun 11 14:39:57 <konttori> next firmware probably
Jun 11 14:40:13 <Milhouse2> you mean today! ;)
Jun 11 14:40:15 <jga23> which was rumored for today right?
Jun 11 14:40:33 <Milhouse2> emphasis on "rumour" I think :)
Jun 11 14:49:21 <SeRi> lol
Jun 11 14:50:16 <fer_> hi
Jun 11 14:50:29 <SeRi> waz up
Jun 11 14:50:42 <SeRi> bRb
Jun 11 14:50:51 <fer_> does anyone know if it's possible to get usb host working on the n800?
Jun 11 14:51:23 <fer_> (like it did on the 770)
Jun 11 14:51:57 <_Shurik_> I believe it is, people were asking about it on internettablettalk.com
Jun 11 14:52:07 <_Shurik_> I have no need for that so never researched that item
Jun 11 14:52:52 <fer_> ok, will have to check that out
Jun 11 14:53:20 <_Shurik_> just too messy with +5v etc...
Jun 11 14:53:33 <_Shurik_> what are you trying to connect to it?
Jun 11 14:53:42 <fer_> just curious..
Jun 11 14:53:54 <_Shurik_> ic
Jun 11 14:54:03 <fer_> I mean, I just wanted to know if it was possible
Jun 11 14:54:17 <_Shurik_> pretty sure it is
Jun 11 14:54:29 <fer_> ok, have to go now, thanks
Jun 11 14:54:33 <_Shurik_> cya
Jun 11 15:00:33 <dragorn> look on the mailing list archives
Jun 11 15:00:39 <dragorn> it's been done, it requires some cable hacking and a custom kernel
Jun 11 15:04:51 <Milhouse2> holy shit - has bugzilla has gone again...? what mickey mouse infrastructure
Jun 11 16:41:39 <zj__> Does anyone know if there's a JDK available for the 770 or 800?
Jun 11 16:46:40 <||cw> google says http://www.jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages&DokuWiki=f9274003f476889364de0c6bb96529fa
Jun 11 16:48:22 <||cw> looks like that mostly uses a hildonized java-gnome
Jun 11 16:48:51 <zj__> thanks
Jun 11 16:48:55 <zj__> any experience with it?
Jun 11 16:48:58 <||cw> nope
Jun 11 17:19:29 <Hyperion|mobile> is there any way get ping in terminal
Jun 11 17:19:48 <Hyperion|mobile> ie what app gives it to you?
Jun 11 17:40:55 <florian> re
Jun 11 17:46:33 <pna> re
Jun 11 17:46:52 <Knowledge> what does re mean again?
Jun 11 17:48:35 <mgedmin> Knowledge: it's short for "hello again", afaik
Jun 11 17:48:35 <pna> heh, you are the knowledge
Jun 11 17:48:43 <pna> tell you
Jun 11 17:48:51 <mgedmin> hi -> rehi -> re
Jun 11 17:49:08 <pna> ;)
Jun 11 17:49:13 <Knowledge> mgedmin: ...hmm, thanks for the explanation.
Jun 11 17:58:29 <Milhouse2> planet.maemo.org gone AWOL again?
Jun 11 17:59:13 <Milhouse2> Sooooooo slow
Jun 11 18:12:33 <ab> Milhouse2: fast for me right now
Jun 11 18:13:07 <Milhouse2> A bit better here now but still slow
Jun 11 18:25:14 <Milhouse2> ab where are you? planet is still dog arse slow in London
Jun 11 18:25:32 <ab> Milhouse2: Russia
Jun 11 18:25:34 <Milhouse2> And bugzilla too
Jun 11 18:25:44 <Milhouse2> nuts :(
Jun 11 18:26:04 <Milhouse2> maemo need to get the hamster turning his wheel a bit faster
Jun 11 18:29:45 <mgedmin> run, hamster, run!
Jun 11 18:30:59 <melmoth> this is the famous webhamster
Jun 11 18:32:06 <Milhouse2> I think he just died
Jun 11 18:32:17 <Milhouse2> RIP maemo hammy
Jun 11 18:33:13 <ab> I have some caching improvement for maemo.org but didn't finish it yet. Ferencz was eager to use it :-)
Jun 11 18:35:46 <Milhouse2> Apple release Safari on Windaz... why?
Jun 11 18:37:31 <Milhouse2> Still got major Planet performance problems - anyone from Maemo in the house? Feed the hamster!!
Jun 11 18:50:14 <Milhouse2> Safari on Win download link if anyone is interested: http://www.apple.com/safari/download/
Jun 11 19:56:56 <Mkononi> hi all.  i just got a BT keytboard abd was wondering if it was possible to assign applications to keyboard shortcuts?
Jun 11 19:57:22 <Mkononi> obviously still getting used to the keyboard :)
Jun 11 20:28:00 <pupnik> Mkononi: possibly you could with xmodmap
Jun 11 20:37:11 <Mkononi> Thanks pupnik, i'll look into it.
Jun 11 22:19:21 <edt> well I managed to destroy the install on my n800.  I no longer wants to boot.  Is there any way to see why?
Jun 11 22:19:41 <edt> or am I better off just to reflash
Jun 11 22:36:08 <dragorn> edt: you could try to attach to the serial pins in the battery compartment
Jun 11 22:53:34 * cesman_away is back.
Jun 11 23:01:28 * konttori is addicted to: http://www.candystand.com/play.do?id=18047
Jun 12 02:04:35 <kakos> Is it possible to program custom input methods?
Jun 12 02:06:14 <derf> Yes.
Jun 12 02:19:44 <kakos> How come I haven't ever seen one?  The input methods on Maemo is okay, but it could be better.
Jun 12 02:20:49 <derf> You mean, like, for example, http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/
Jun 12 02:55:16 <edt> how do you find the urls to use with maemomapper?
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