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Jun 17 05:36:37 <Blacksitox> existing kismet for n800 ?
Jun 17 09:27:24 <florian> hi all
Jun 17 09:54:43 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jun 17 14:39:19 <Blacksito> hi
Jun 17 14:44:15 <vnese> hello
Jun 17 14:44:45 <vnese> how can i change my scratchbox theme ?
Jun 17 14:44:51 <Blacksito> how installed kismet on n800?
Jun 17 14:45:52 <vnese> apt-get install kismet ?
Jun 17 14:53:49 <vnese> hello, i m in X86 scratchbox environment, how can i switch to arm target?
Jun 17 14:55:13 <vnese> and is it true that the arm target is the correct environment for tablet device like n800 (i mean do they share the same cpu speed and memory?)
Jun 17 14:58:10 <vnese> (offtopic : is there any maemo course in espoo :( )
Jun 17 14:59:46 <`0660> the only correct environment for n800 is in the device itself :)
Jun 17 15:00:36 <`0660> i had some problems developing in the arm target and the x86 didn't seem to lack anything so i used it
Jun 17 15:02:39 <vnese> hhmm, how about the 1st question, how can i switch to arm target? and can you explain what is the difference between those x86 and arm :P
Jun 17 15:03:49 <vnese> hi konttori
Jun 17 15:03:56 <konttori> hi
Jun 17 15:04:01 <`0660> use sb-menu for switching
Jun 17 15:05:01 <`0660> to my understanding debugging is easier in the x86 target but the final application will need to be compiled in the arm target
Jun 17 15:06:50 <vnese> so, x86 and arm are different processor architectures ?
Jun 17 15:07:03 <`0660> yes they are
Jun 17 15:07:16 <`0660> most desktops have x86
Jun 17 15:07:23 <`0660> and most pda's have arm
Jun 17 15:08:14 <`0660> but with sb it's possible to emulate arm
Jun 17 15:09:03 <vnese> hhmm, i see
Jun 17 15:09:58 <`0660> you can develop in both targets
Jun 17 15:37:54 <vnese> hhmm is there any maemo training course in finland ?
Jun 17 15:38:12 <konttori> what do you want to do?
Jun 17 15:39:37 <acydlord> morning
Jun 17 15:39:37 <vnese> i m a student and i m used to playing with c/gtk+, yesterday i was hit by maemo and tried to port my app to maemo and i was successful
Jun 17 15:39:59 <vnese> and i want to learn sth about the maemo platform
Jun 17 15:40:55 <acydlord> there are no training courses that i know of
Jun 17 15:41:04 <acydlord> most of us rely on the docs or wiki
Jun 17 15:41:41 <vnese> i guess i will follow that path too ...
Jun 17 15:43:28 <vnese> acydlord: one secret question, are you working, and your job is maemo related or is it just a hobby ?
Jun 17 15:45:29 <vnese> hhmm, just worried about my career
Jun 17 15:45:33 <vnese> skip it
Jun 17 15:47:54 <acydlord> just a hobby
Jun 17 15:49:00 <acydlord> since maemo is opensource, i don't really see there being much call for steady jobs using it. at least not until the market is considerably larger
Jun 17 16:15:43 <tko> I fail to see the logic in the first part, how does opensource or not have anything to do with it?
Jun 17 16:54:39 <rhsanborn> is there a port of a telnet client for n800?
Jun 17 16:57:40 <feig>  why telnet?
Jun 17 16:57:59 <rhsanborn> Friends have setup a server w/ old bbs type games
Jun 17 16:58:16 <feig> and ssh won't work?
Jun 17 16:58:32 <rhsanborn> haven't tried it yet...
Jun 17 16:58:56 <rhsanborn> Not sure if they setup ssh..
Jun 17 16:59:24 <feig> oh, i much perfer ssh over telnet, telnet is very picky, and slow, ssh is like your there
Jun 17 16:59:50 <rhsanborn> indeed. I'll check, but I don't think he set it up
Jun 17 16:59:56 <rhsanborn> I prefer ssh as well
Jun 17 17:00:39 <feig> oh
Jun 17 17:00:55 <feig> yea, i don't know about telnet, it should be trivial to get working though
Jun 17 17:02:12 <rhsanborn> not necessarily. Depends on how it accesses the network protocols. I don't know either how maemo or telnet implements this and might require some fiddling to get them together
Jun 17 17:02:24 <rhsanborn> Playing bbs games is not worth looking into it either :P
Jun 17 17:02:30 <feig> oh, ok, didn't know that
Jun 17 17:02:33 <feig> sorry
Jun 17 17:03:57 <rhsanborn> oh well
Jun 17 17:08:09 <feig> rhasnborn: looks like busybox has telnet in it
Jun 17 17:08:20 <feig> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/
Jun 17 17:11:14 <kulve> the stock busybox in n800 seems not to have telnet support
Jun 17 17:11:28 <kulve> Nokia-N800-10:~# busybox telnet
Jun 17 17:11:28 <kulve> telnet: applet not found
Jun 17 17:12:44 <feig> no?
Jun 17 17:12:46 <feig> huh
Jun 17 17:14:13 <feig> sorry, i have a 770
Jun 17 17:16:00 <rhsanborn> thx for looking...
Jun 17 17:16:25 <rhsanborn> Like I said, it isn't a big deal. I can actually setup my home pc with ssh and then I can ssh to home and telnet to the game if I want to :P
Jun 17 17:17:08 <feig> hahaha
Jun 17 17:17:14 <feig> sounds like something i would do
Jun 17 17:17:20 <rhsanborn> :P
Jun 17 17:17:22 <feig> oh wait, no i _do_ do that
Jun 17 17:17:24 <feig> hehe
Jun 17 17:17:37 <rhsanborn> I probably should do that so that I don't waste so much time on silly games :P
Jun 17 17:17:48 <feig> good idea
Jun 17 17:54:58 <victory747> hi, has anyone noticed bad battery life when booting off the MMC card instead of the internal flash?
Jun 17 18:08:03 <kulve> nope
Jun 17 18:25:57 <vnese> ok, now i can port my gtk+ app successfully  in the scratchbox, what should i do next to make it in the maemo Task Navigator menu? do i need to create .desktop and .service file ?
Jun 17 18:26:25 <b0unc3> vnese: yes
Jun 17 18:27:30 <vnese> b0unc3:  in which folder will i create myapp.desktop and myapp.service ?
Jun 17 18:28:55 <b0unc3> vnese: the .destkop files goes under /usr/share/applications/hildon/ and .service file under /usr/share/dbus-1/services/
Jun 17 18:30:06 <kulve> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html
Jun 17 18:31:07 <zuh> To be exact, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#integration
Jun 17 19:22:35 <vnese> hhmmm
Jun 17 19:23:00 <vnese> i created those 2 files, restart Xephyr
Jun 17 19:23:07 <vnese> but i cant find my app
Jun 17 22:12:14 <trevarthan> Hey, does anyone here use OGG?
Jun 17 22:12:47 <trevarthan> I'm curious if it uses ID3 tags?
Jun 17 22:13:48 <Fatal> nope, they normally use vorbis tags if you're refering to music
Jun 17 22:58:23 <Blacksitox> hello
Jun 17 22:58:38 <Blacksitox> how install kismet on nokia n800 ?
Jun 17 23:06:45 <Blacksitox> what sniffer wireless for n800 ?
Jun 17 23:36:37 <trevarthan> Has anyone here used mutagen before? http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/wiki/Development/Mutagen
Jun 17 23:37:02 <trevarthan> Looks like it might be a nice way to consolidate id3 and vorbis tag reading from a python app.
Jun 18 00:02:46 <Blacksitox> how install kismet on nokia n800 ?
Jun 18 00:14:45 <trevarthan>  /join -freenode #mutagen
Jun 18 02:17:13 <livingtm> I cant seem to do an "apt-get update" from inside scratchbox. It cant resolve repository.maemo.org. I've googled and found peopl ewith the same problem but the solutions dont seem to help
Jun 18 02:46:32 <dragorn> put your nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf
Jun 18 02:47:15 <dragorn> inside scratchbox
Jun 18 02:47:58 <Blacksitox> how install kismet on nokia n800 ?
Jun 18 02:54:31 <livingtm> dragorn, thanks i did finally get it to work
Jun 18 02:55:19 <livingtm> Is it posible to write hildon apps for my n770 using c++?
Jun 18 02:55:32 <livingtm> seems like this is only supported on bora (n800 only?)
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