**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 18 02:59:57 2007 Jun 18 03:05:17 <_Shurik__> guys, silly question... why the heck does my n800 only see 2 gig of my 8gig external SD? Jun 18 03:05:29 <_Shurik__> I have all the lastest firmware and kernel Jun 18 03:23:59 <_Shurik__> hm, nevermind. Looks like it only needed to be formatted Jun 18 03:27:53 Blacksitox: apt-get install kismet (assuming that someone has actually ported kismet to the n800, and you have the repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list which contains that ported kismet .deb) Jun 18 03:28:02 Blacksitox: or are you actually asking a different question? Jun 18 03:35:11 rwhitby, aptg-install kismet Jun 18 03:35:33 E: Couldn't find package kismet Jun 18 03:35:35 :\ Jun 18 03:36:04 do you know for sure that it has been ported and exists in a repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list? Jun 18 03:37:03 wait pasted my sources.list Jun 18 03:41:00 rwhitby, my sources.list http://rafb.net/p/biFGrO40.html Jun 18 03:41:50 what's repository agree rwhitby ? Jun 18 03:43:16 Blacksitox: you still haven't answered the question about whether you are sure that someone has ported it Jun 18 03:44:52 Blacksitox: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3776&page=3 Jun 18 03:45:14 That probably works for N800 too Jun 18 03:46:37 Efrael, thanks Jun 18 03:47:08 rwhitby, whats ? I do not understand to you, my english is bad, sorry Jun 18 03:47:36 Blacksitox: Efrael answered the question Jun 18 03:50:16 rwhitby, ok Jun 18 03:50:37 Distribution: mistral ? Jun 18 03:51:47 rwhitby, Efrael you have n800? Jun 18 03:51:58 n800+kismet?* Jun 18 03:54:22 I don't have kismet Jun 18 03:55:20 Mistral distribution is the 770's newest distribution I think Jun 18 03:55:40 But both 770 and N800 are maemo Jun 18 03:57:35 ok Jun 18 04:00:30 Anyone have a pic of the 770 in the new Fantastic Four movie? Jun 18 04:06:46 There won't be an official kismet port for maemo until I have time to figure out how to cleanly replace the wifi modules automatically (really don't want to do that on users systems), and until I have time to figure out how to tell the wifi management app to leave the interface alone while kismet is running. Jun 18 04:06:59 If you use the stock n800 firmware, expect it to not work well at all with kismet Jun 18 05:34:57 adiços Jun 18 05:35:05 adiós* Jun 18 07:42:17 good morning Jun 18 09:14:54 good morning Jun 18 09:15:04 g/m Jun 18 09:32:22 Aloha! Jun 18 09:38:40 Morning, all Jun 18 10:47:37 when is the new UKMP going to be released? Jun 18 10:47:47 can wait for the upnp support :) Jun 18 10:47:58 iradio would be nice too!!! Jun 18 10:49:17 upnp is sort of nice. But, is it possible to, say, specify an ip-adress in case the server is on a different LAN? Jun 18 10:49:57 I often prefer to put my servers on the wired net, and have a firewall between my wired and wireless lan. Jun 18 10:57:00 you sure can Jun 18 11:11:41 SeRi: next ukmp might come this wednesday, but the upnp support is a long way off. Jun 18 11:12:13 I'm doing it as a branch project and I hope to have something up and running this summer. Jun 18 11:14:05 what is iradio? Jun 18 11:28:18 Thanks Konttori. iradio = internet radio Jun 18 11:28:29 like shoutcast :) Jun 18 11:28:38 ahh.. you just mean in the general sense Jun 18 11:28:51 Don't you feel that there is already a great app for those? Jun 18 11:29:37 ahhhh Canola is ok but is to bulky I want something light weight... and I want to make ukmp my only music player Jun 18 11:29:55 the streamtuner. Jun 18 11:30:01 Ahh.. thanks! Jun 18 11:30:44 I would like to have that as a part of the player, just haven't thought of a great way to make the radio playing happen. Jun 18 11:30:55 dont like it... reather have one with many capabelities... Jun 18 11:31:20 Perhaps I could for start just access the home view music players playlist (at least I have just the radio stations there) Jun 18 11:31:38 That would be a nice start :) Jun 18 11:31:45 Anyway, I'm now working on improving start-up time. Jun 18 11:31:59 first things first :) Jun 18 11:32:15 So, that will be the main focus for the Wednesdays release. Nothing too special, just have things done a little better than before Jun 18 11:32:34 nice. a maintenance release Jun 18 11:32:42 Just tested that reading the id tags for my music library takes 20 seconds. Jun 18 11:32:51 Good Luck and grate work! Jun 18 11:32:59 Parsing the filesystem searching for music takes less than a second. Jun 18 11:33:09 nice. Jun 18 11:33:26 So I'll just add caching of the id tags to a text file as the first step. Should drop the 20 secs to less than one. Jun 18 11:33:48 (for subsequent starts after the first time) Jun 18 11:33:52 good idea Jun 18 11:35:17 ok Konttori I am off to sleep! You have a good day and it was nice chatting with u! peace Jun 18 11:35:27 have a good night Jun 18 11:35:31 nice talking to you as well Jun 18 11:35:32 same Jun 18 12:28:12 sweet. startup time for reading the id3 tags has dropped in ukmp on my library from 21 seconds to 3.4 seconds after I added the cache code Jun 18 12:54:22 cool Jun 18 13:00:38 Yeah, should be pretty nice for people who startup ukmp more than once a day and have over 200 songs on their device. Jun 18 13:01:07 Still, the cover creation (reflections and stuff) takes almost 8 seconds on my device Jun 18 13:01:57 I could cache the resulting images as well, but it seems that if I store them in tga (which is a safe bet format), it won't save that much time, as the disk access slows it down a bit. Jun 18 13:02:46 png would probabl be perfect, but seems like there is no save image support for it in standard python image package that is bundled with python 2.4 for 770. Jun 18 13:49:54 hi i've a fresh installation of the sardine distro, but got no hildon-input-method, i mean there is no more the keyboard applet plugin, when i tap on a text-input field Jun 18 13:50:04 is there any known problema with this? Jun 18 14:30:01 koen: do you know which startup script to replace the WM? Jun 18 15:35:27 hi at all, i installed sardine version but now i can't insert input, no keyboard on display? is a sardine revision problem or my fault? Jun 18 15:35:33 thank in advance Jun 18 15:38:20 Does anyone know what 'por' stands for in /proc/bootreason ? Jun 18 15:42:25 Low-power maybe? Jun 18 15:42:56 My guess is it stands for "Power Off Reset" or something like that Jun 18 15:44:41 hey, the search box on maemo.org doesn't search wiki pages Jun 18 15:44:43 or am I mistaken? Jun 18 15:48:37 hi :) Jun 18 15:49:47 ramatieg: 'por' just means "start-up reason was reset". Not very helpful. It looks like it is the default bootreason Jun 18 18:47:33 Interesting images of new n-gage platform: http://www.pocketpicks.co.uk/latest/index.php/2007/06/18/n-gage-platform-live-pics-hit-the-web/ Jun 18 18:49:08 the 3d stuff in some of the new nokias looks pretty nice Jun 18 18:50:00 yeah. Jun 18 18:50:37 OTOH: that screenshot looks like they have an amateur team making the n-gage basic interface. Jun 18 18:50:48 (just like on last n-gage) ;) Jun 18 18:50:58 I hope I'm wrong about this one Jun 18 18:51:24 that may well be an old image. Jun 18 18:51:51 well it's nokia. of course they have amateurs doing the bit that actually shows to the user... Jun 18 18:52:30 i find it strange that it's a photo Jun 18 18:52:34 not a screenshot :) Jun 18 18:52:54 pic is from here: http://justamp.blogspot.com/2007/06/pic-of-new-ngage-interface.html Jun 18 18:53:51 they got some platform thing like that for java stuff iirc too.. on some level at least somewhere.. Jun 18 18:54:03 can't remember under which name though Jun 18 18:54:16 Nokia sure knows how to not make a gaming interface look like it's from an old office application. Jun 18 18:54:48 Well, there's Series 60, which is the platform for n-gage games. Jun 18 18:55:10 and the 3rd generation s60 is apparently the 'n-gage 2' level games platform Jun 18 18:55:47 From what I remember, they have basically the same chip as is in n800 inside those things. (although my memory may fail me here) Jun 18 18:56:50 hi, any chance of finding anybody willing to push a feature request for the development platform at http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html ? Jun 18 18:58:02 I kind of understand the lack of answers to my call for fature requests... Jun 18 18:58:10 ... but at the same time I donçt quite understand it :) Jun 18 18:58:11 what do you need to be done? Jun 18 18:58:26 what would you like Nokia to do? Jun 18 18:59:28 Ahh... I actually had a few requests at the back of my head. Jun 18 18:59:36 Have to think about them first for a while. Jun 18 18:59:58 OTOH: Can I request for a proper dpad is one thing that I don't ever forget ;) Jun 18 19:00:33 lucasr: heh, I have a number of feature requests. It's called my TODO list! Jun 18 19:00:48 Distributed Particle Accelerator Design? Jun 18 19:00:54 Eek, i didn't mean to address that to you..! Jun 18 19:02:00 Direction Pad ... ;) But yeah, I get the joke. Jun 18 19:02:49 why I keep asking about development platform features and people kleep answering about all the rest? ;) Jun 18 19:02:52 I see that rotation support is already on the list. very cool. Jun 18 19:03:16 Eek, missed "development platform"! Jun 18 19:03:50 proper dpad would kick ass Jun 18 19:04:00 not that I don't vcare about the rest but, so to say, my range of action improves substantially the more you keep the requests within the development platform Jun 18 19:04:04 OGG support request is there as well. But Kulves libraries provide full OGG support. You could just link that to the document. Jun 18 19:04:24 best things about ngages were the proper dpad.. no other s60's have it and it really makes a difference to games :| Jun 18 19:04:42 OGG support is here: http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ogg-support.install Jun 18 19:04:47 konttori: But you'd want ogg-on-dsp ;) Jun 18 19:05:11 well, that'll probably take quite a lot of man hours. Jun 18 19:05:29 gla55: in other words, I can forward hardware related requests but... industrial design is done through a very different channel Jun 18 19:05:34 I still expect that 95% of users use mp3s as their primary music medium Jun 18 19:05:56 not those coming from a..well, 'open source' background. Jun 18 19:06:00 qgil: yes, I found that strange to Jun 18 19:06:17 qgil: maybe you should ask about hardware and proprietary app requests and maybe then people would give you development platform answers :) Jun 18 19:06:23 how captured my desktop on n800 ? Jun 18 19:06:32 hi keesj, what is that you found strang? Jun 18 19:06:48 right, now I got it Jun 18 19:06:50 idem for the gnome thingy and the maemo roadmap, google SoC, and maemo "identidy" , strange sorry Jun 18 19:07:03 qgil: I can imagine that. I still think that users would benefit from a change to n-gage dpad (if Nokia happens to have plenty of those in stock one ngage 2 platform goes to next gear) Jun 18 19:07:15 once , not one . Jun 18 19:07:37 qgil: on s60's the dpads are self blocking... thats the biggest problem really(on ngage they're not. regular keyblocking is software controlled but that doesnt apply to dpads.). Jun 18 19:07:38 well, yes, if I would come from Mars I would deduc that our development platform already rocks :) Jun 18 19:07:58 Can I request that nokia would include screenshot utility as default? Jun 18 19:08:15 Many press users would probably love that. Jun 18 19:08:16 :P Jun 18 19:08:38 you get this functionality through a well supportd one click install application, konttori Jun 18 19:09:08 Well, not from any project in downloads.maemo.org Jun 18 19:09:19 None of those work on N800 with latest firmware. Jun 18 19:09:40 The only one I found that works is gnuites: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/load-applet-run/load-applet-run_0.4.3-2_armel.deb Jun 18 19:09:43 * keesj as open source "expert" would not ask nokia to implement features, just openness Jun 18 19:09:56 konttori: have you gone to http://downloads.maemo.org and typed "screenshot" in the search? Jun 18 19:10:19 yep. but those didn't work Jun 18 19:10:34 See: IT OS 2006 on both of them Jun 18 19:10:58 I second keesj. Jun 18 19:11:02 if this is true and reproducible then file a bug - they worked for me when I tried Jun 18 19:11:35 keesj: opening component X is a feature request Jun 18 19:11:53 opening in general is a rquest too... but more difficult to address, really Jun 18 19:12:00 indeed, as an example being sure that all debug package are available as well as source one for everything that is open source would be nice. Jun 18 19:12:42 I would like to type "make world" and have a new nokia image:P Jun 18 19:13:05 :) Jun 18 19:13:10 melmoth: you are pointing out another specific feature request Jun 18 19:13:39 Is there a list of open and closed-source aspects to maemo anywhere? I can only find out by trawling through stage.m.o. Jun 18 19:13:43 " Compilable sources" kind of implies the second part but being explicit won harm Jun 18 19:14:33 melmoth: could you please put in shape a request for "all debug package are available"? Jun 18 19:14:45 ok. Jun 18 19:14:50 qgil: but to be honest. I think that with hildon "leaving" maemo, I wonder that maemo really is? Jun 18 19:14:54 I's day everything that is open source has source available already, otherwise is a major bug Jun 18 19:14:55 shall i post it as a bug in bugzilla ? Jun 18 19:15:12 yes melmoth Jun 18 19:15:14 thanks Jun 18 19:15:22 severity: enhancementy Jun 18 19:15:23 qgil: but you are doing a great job! Jun 18 19:16:19 maemo can be lots of things even with Hildon going upstream Jun 18 19:16:37 the problem I still see is being too many potential things instead of only 2-3 :) Jun 18 19:17:46 hi qgil Jun 18 19:18:31 hi Mithrandir ! Jun 18 19:23:53 All right. Enhancement request submitted. #1556 Jun 18 19:23:54 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1556 Jun 18 19:24:27 Basically a request for the application menu (left side) to show in two columns when pressed with thumb. Jun 18 19:25:05 Please, have a read and if possible, vote for the enhancement. I believe it would improve the thumb usability tremendously. Jun 18 19:28:10 thanks konttori, yet this doesn't count to my persistent beg for development platform related requests :) Jun 18 19:28:50 we rally want to pick some good ideas coming from the community (and not from us in the first place) and pushing them into roadmapping, planning, development and official release Jun 18 19:28:53 I got carried away. Anyway, I hope that would get done. It would benefit us all (and take only hours to implement) Jun 18 19:29:21 it is easier to do this around the development platform since the "customers" are the maemo developers directly Jun 18 19:29:57 rquests around applications or the hardware ar much mor complex to deal with because Nokia has several sources of input and etc etc etc Jun 18 19:31:10 konttori, you have application for screenshot on n800 ? Jun 18 19:31:39 Yeah. I found this one. http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/load-applet-run/load-applet-run_0.4.3-2_armel.deb Jun 18 19:31:49 But I really had to dig for it. Jun 18 19:32:45 I really believe screenshot should be part of default install (even just as in the utilities folder) or, if not of default install, then an application in Nokia default repository. Jun 18 19:34:02 konttori: this sounds as a feature request - with a hint oif development platform (since screenshots are a useful tool for testing / bug reporting) Jun 18 19:34:30 qgil: I'll write it down then. Jun 18 19:35:05 konttori: I won't give you much hope about the availability in the official Internet Tablet OS but you have a point asking it to be officially supported by Nokia in a repository Jun 18 19:35:17 konttori: Just a search in the application catalog gives you a few options? http://search.maemo.org/search?q=screenshot&site=applications&output=xml_no_dtd&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&client=maemo&proxystylesheet=maemo Jun 18 19:35:51 X-Fade: Have a look at them. They are all itos 2006 Jun 18 19:36:01 They won't install to IT OS 2007. Jun 18 19:36:29 Now, consider you are a reporter that has been asked to make a review of N800. Jun 18 19:36:44 any more ideas / qustions? I'm about to export myself to bed Jun 18 19:36:46 qgil: would "implement desktop notifications spec for banners in hildon (or hildon banners with libnotify & notification-daemon)" be the kind of request that you are looking for? (or is that already requested?) Jun 18 19:36:56 You try all those apps. They won't install. Now, wouldn't that bug you? Jun 18 19:37:20 konttori: there also is osso-screenshot-tool in the repository.. Jun 18 19:37:26 ftp server application to N800. Jun 18 19:37:31 zuh: yes this is a very good example of very prcise feature request - can't tell if it has been suggested already though Jun 18 19:37:49 it would help in development as you wouldn't have to use usb all the time to move test files to the device. Jun 18 19:38:03 zuh: I seem to recall that is already done in sardine? Jun 18 19:38:16 hum, "osso-screenshot-tool" sounds like fullfilling the feature request :) Jun 18 19:38:29 qgil: Yeah. It works only from command line. Jun 18 19:38:39 qgil: Yeah, but it is commandline only.. Jun 18 19:38:40 And it takes the screenshot by default in 1 sec. Jun 18 19:38:55 Good luck trying to change to your app during that time. Jun 18 19:38:56 konttori: sleep 10; osso-screenshot-tool Jun 18 19:38:57 :) Jun 18 19:39:15 Fortunately your average reporter know how to do that. Jun 18 19:39:31 alright, so you are seeing much better than I ideas of what could be requested Jun 18 19:39:32 Yeah, that is not very user friendly :) Jun 18 19:39:38 my mission for today here is almost complete Jun 18 19:39:45 please make this roadmap yours Jun 18 19:39:55 ;) So, you are ready for your well deserved sleep. Jun 18 19:39:57 I know it takes... but really it is something that can be done Jun 18 19:40:11 again, the "development platform" section is the one easiest to take over Jun 18 19:40:28 konttori: This one has a 5 sec wait ;) http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/01/17/maemo-screen-grabber/ Jun 18 19:40:43 qgil: I think the biggest problem you have is that there 18,000 different repositories out there. Every developer has set up their own. Jun 18 19:40:50 Does anyone's N800 sparodically boot itself with /proc/bootreason=por ? Jun 18 19:41:37 zuh: and gnuites one is even better. The point is that it's easier to stuble on tools that won't work that on tools that do. And it should be improved. Jun 18 19:41:46 oh, talking about that, anybody here is involved with approving upload access to the extra repository ? Jun 18 19:41:46 derf: indeed, do you know the reasons why this happened? Jun 18 19:41:57 qgil: I know Jun 18 19:42:11 It's because it's so freaking hard to get application to extras Jun 18 19:42:16 :) Jun 18 19:42:29 Which was exactly the thing I was about to make a request for. Jun 18 19:42:44 konttori basically has it. Jun 18 19:42:46 konttori: I think there is already a enhancement request, wait Jun 18 19:43:18 You need to treat it like a real Linux distribution. Jun 18 19:43:30 Would there be a way of doing some QA work on the debian packaging? Some looks unchanged from default dh! Jun 18 19:43:35 hmm, I thought to get to extras you just needed a garage account with ssh/pgp key.. maybe I missed something Jun 18 19:43:58 well, on the other hand, it s not like it s actually easy to have upload permission on debain repository :) Jun 18 19:44:11 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ExtrasRepository that s what i found Jun 18 19:44:18 melmoth: Sure, but as an application developer, I've never needed it. Jun 18 19:44:41 i send a mail to garage@maemo.org the 4 of june, i m still waiting for an acknowledgement the mail has been receieved Jun 18 19:44:41 Because _someone_ has made sure new versions get packaged and incorporated. Jun 18 19:45:10 melmoth: Apparently the mail is broken for that email address? Jun 18 19:45:13 Those people can be volunteers, they can be someone other than the developers themselves, but they have to _exist_. Jun 18 19:45:48 X-Fade, i dont know, i did not received a bounce neither. I interpret his has too few people, too many work to do , so i try to be patient :) Jun 18 19:46:02 melmoth: I saw someone complaining about that.. let me check.. Jun 18 19:46:15 derf: yes. that would really make me so happy! Jun 18 19:47:02 a packaging buddy/debian mentor. I am not to lazy to learn Jun 18 19:47:10 melmoth: Seems like a mail misconfiguration at maemo.org: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-June/010563.html Jun 18 19:47:45 Hmm nice to see the names of the people who get garage@maemo.org mail :) Jun 18 19:47:48 "nobody cares about my packages" Jun 18 19:47:56 Well, keep in mind that the kind of people who like doing packaging, QA, testing, etc., are not often the same kind of people that like hacking on code. Jun 18 19:47:59 qgil: you are also in there ;) Jun 18 19:48:00 what is funny is that i did not received any bounce.. Jun 18 19:48:27 I was looking for an enhancement request to this process/access to extras - apparently came through email instead of bug? Jun 18 19:48:36 melmoth: I think it is blackholing mail? Jun 18 19:48:42 garage@maemo.org works - I can tell Jun 18 19:48:49 Your average developer is going to say, "They can download it off my webpage if they care, good enough." Jun 18 19:49:10 keesj: I'd be happy to help out with the packaging.. Jun 18 19:49:22 well, i will wait . If i do not have feedback in a month, i ll post it again Jun 18 19:49:29 derf: That is why we need user editable .install files on downloads.maemo.org. Jun 18 19:49:32 jonnylamb: and uploading? Jun 18 19:49:46 keesj: Not so happy there! Jun 18 19:49:48 That way someone can just point a .install to the right file.. Anyone can do that.. Jun 18 19:50:03 X-Fade: And also why .install files that can't reference multiple repositories are, with the current system, useless. Jun 18 19:50:13 maybe we could get someone to collect apps all around the world and upload them to extras? Jun 18 19:50:31 tko: I thought that's what I've just been saying. Jun 18 19:50:33 X-Fade yes , if you have a maemo project I guess that the project web site is a ok/safe place Jun 18 19:50:57 jonnylamb I do master the packaging just not the uploading Jun 18 19:51:51 guys, would it be too much to ask another well formulated enhancement request to sorting out this process for uploading packages? Jun 18 19:52:33 about QA on packages, there are some ideas/plans around but I don't know if they match what you have in mind Jun 18 19:53:58 X-Fade: Ah, right, there is a wrapper for libnotify. But I don't see any hint of anyone implementing the server side (and I'd guess the upstream notification-daemon would feel/look somewhat out-of-place) Jun 18 19:54:02 qgil: What are these ideas/plans around? Jun 18 19:54:04 QA on packages , building on a build server , having the sources that kind on thing? Jun 18 19:54:11 qgil: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=295&group_id=106&atid=460 Jun 18 19:54:23 I just added the feature request for an easier debian upload to bug 1558. Jun 18 19:54:35 I have a solution idea there. Have a look at it please. Jun 18 19:54:36 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1558 Jun 18 19:54:58 jonnylamb: to start with, having a clear maemo policy derived from the Debian policy Jun 18 19:55:38 there is also https://garage.maemo.org/projects/qualityaware/ Jun 18 19:57:14 x-fade, about editable install file I think it will come sooner than later, there is a revision to the application catalog planned at some point this summer Jun 18 19:57:49 My idea about improving the debian upload to extras is to use the current downloads.maemo.org for it. It would be perfect way to just upload the debian while filling in the form for your new / updated application. Just a checkbox for : include in extras repository. And have input field for file upload for the deb file. Jun 18 19:58:20 Then the download.maemo.org could automatically create the install file for it and link it to the page. Jun 18 19:58:27 Like, easiest thing ever. Jun 18 20:00:44 ok, so I you get my whole point today/here: mailing list and IRC is fine but when it comes to request enhancements a well formulated proposal going through bugzilla and hiting the roadmap (even if as Wishlist) is the best way to make sure that at least you will get an answer as good as your request Jun 18 20:01:22 thanks for reading, now you will forgive me butzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Jun 18 20:01:28 good night to you Jun 18 20:01:49 "night" is not the right term in Helsinki at this point of the year but thanks anyway ;) Jun 18 20:09:30 oops.. just deleted qgil answer on that post.. bugger Jun 18 20:10:24 konttori: did you get an email with his comments / changes? Jun 18 20:13:05 Nope Jun 18 20:13:14 From who? Jun 18 20:14:02 keesj: what post? My post? Jun 18 20:14:21 I added a comment on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1558 and when it started gragging about "Mid-air collision detected!" Jun 18 20:14:55 Ahh.. Indeed. Jun 18 20:15:02 I got qgils mail. Jun 18 20:15:04 Yeah. Jun 18 20:16:35 Also, concerning the sources problem that qgil had: No-one said that libraries needed to be uploaded that way. They could follow the current route, but for normal apps, the method could that. Ok, maybe make it a capsulated zip with sources in one dir and the application at root level deb. Jun 18 20:19:41 I added a comment after your post keesj. I think your point is valid for libraries (especially ones with complex licenses). Jun 18 20:20:14 But then again, libraries do not need to be updated that often and it would be great if Nokia would complile and distribute them anyway. Jun 18 20:20:19 compile even. Jun 18 20:27:13 konttori: most of the time when I would upload I would not know on what software versions my package wil work Jun 18 20:27:47 well, you can later edit it. Jun 18 20:28:03 Just select the one that you know that works Jun 18 20:28:23 and later append other versions if you get good response from users. Jun 18 20:28:38 Or do it in reverse. Jun 18 20:29:58 :p hmm, what should I do ? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/xmoto/ (see the first and only rating) Jun 18 20:30:22 jeje xmoto rulz! Jun 18 20:33:32 keesj: Seems like the person couldn't install it Jun 18 20:33:40 Perhaps it's missing a dependency Jun 18 20:34:02 I agree. xmoto rules Jun 18 20:34:06 I mailed him , perhas the game was just running to slow Jun 18 20:34:33 I think he means that he really can't get it to run. Jun 18 20:34:49 I assume because there is the reference to other apps that won't work Jun 18 20:35:20 i'll test it for you Jun 18 20:36:11 thanks Jun 18 20:37:39 what? 13 MB? Jun 18 20:37:53 I'm praying I won't run out of space in the middle of install Jun 18 20:38:39 ahh, crap. the App Manager on my n800 seems to be b0rked. If I try to check for updates or show installed apps, it just hangs. :( Jun 18 20:38:50 ahh... feel safer now. Just deleted the nokia example video (9MB) Jun 18 20:38:51 what might i take do to take a stab at fixing it? Jun 18 20:39:07 dolske. Disable repos. Jun 18 20:39:14 Take out all but nokia defaults Jun 18 20:39:24 then add one by one. test in between Jun 18 20:39:26 there is also extra pdf docs to remove for space Jun 18 20:40:27 hmm, figures. I ask and now it seems to have fixed itself while I was typing. or, at least, it takes a long time to finish whatever it's doing. Jun 18 20:40:38 keesj: Probably he means that he's missing the application icon. Jun 18 20:40:47 I just noticed your reference to xterm Jun 18 20:40:56 I suggest adding the .desktop file. Jun 18 20:41:50 xmoto seems to work. Jun 18 20:42:03 I think it was just the missing desktop file that was too much for that user. Jun 18 20:43:09 I will try to add it for the next release Jun 18 20:44:38 the problem is that the main developer keeps adding layers and features. but now I can profile on the n800 it might be a fun project again(/me is also learning asm) Jun 18 20:56:52 polom polom...anybody understdand what pyphantom is about ? Jun 18 20:58:51 ohh, it s like.. glade or something ? Jun 18 21:00:40 sounds like visual basic.. or visual python.. or something :) Jun 18 21:03:28 ok. I got it, i though it was actually python2.5-hildon Jun 18 21:04:07 this stuff will rox :) Jun 18 22:08:40 anyone got any advice on using an N800 to play media through speakers on a linux box. I have gmediaserver running upnp to my N800 but I can only get it to play on the tablet - not from the box Jun 18 22:12:36 maybe I should just use something like Jinzora instead... Jun 18 22:19:32 gpd: mpd? Jun 18 22:20:45 he left :( Jun 18 22:21:07 Looks like MMPC miight work with mpd... worth contemplating Jun 18 22:21:53 I seems a shame that I can't just install something on the linux box and then select that machine from the dropdown in mediastreamer Jun 18 22:22:21 but I am lost for search terms for that option Jun 18 23:54:41 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UserInterface Jun 19 00:00:49 when you are importing in GPE calendar, what kind of file is it expecting? Jun 19 01:26:38 my screen is locked, but most of the keys work... Jun 19 01:26:48 except for the power key. Jun 19 01:27:56 there is not language foul enough to describe my feelings toward the application update software right now. Jun 19 01:30:13 anyone had this problem with the n800 with the latest OS version? Jun 19 01:35:18 at the very least, can someone tell me how to pry the battery out of its still-running case? Jun 19 01:45:58 grrargh. Jun 19 01:53:19 zsh must have done it. Jun 19 01:53:39 * notostraca slaps developer of zsh Jun 19 01:54:09 bad installer! no biscuit! Jun 19 01:57:53 Anybody here who might be able to tell my why Media Converter fails at converting everything? Jun 19 02:11:21 media-convert.com , you mean? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 19 02:59:56 2007