**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 06 02:59:57 2007 Jul 06 03:00:34 ... but then doesn't that make it impossible to put stuff on the mmc w/o turning it off? Jul 06 03:01:26 what do you mean? you have a usb cable don't you? Jul 06 03:01:46 yeah Jul 06 03:01:52 but if the os runs off the mmc Jul 06 03:01:56 then the mmc will always be in use Jul 06 03:02:06 so the 770 won't mount it as usb Jul 06 03:02:28 I don't know, that's too technical for me Jul 06 03:02:59 I just read the wiki and take it to be true Jul 06 03:04:44 the people who write the wiki seem like they know what they're talking aobut and readers seem to agree Jul 06 03:05:12 I just wish they could dumb it down even more for absolute beginners like me Jul 06 03:05:52 things like "becoming root". what does that mean? Jul 06 03:06:30 getting administrator access Jul 06 03:07:11 root = administrator or 'super user' Jul 06 03:07:17 oh, I see Jul 06 03:07:53 I just follow the direction until I get stuck Jul 06 03:08:17 nothing wrong with that Jul 06 03:08:36 until the reaction isn't the same as what's suppose to happen Jul 06 03:10:42 with the little adapter on the mmc card, does that make the mmc the same as the SD card? Jul 06 03:11:11 it looks the same, I'm wondering if I can use my camera to format it because I don't have a card reader Jul 06 03:11:42 pupnik, you said I had to format it with a reader/writer right? Jul 06 03:11:48 is there a maemo port of dosbox? Jul 06 03:12:02 i said you could try it Jul 06 03:12:21 dick-richardson: do you have a bluetooth keyboard? Jul 06 03:12:28 very soon Jul 06 03:12:48 I take it the on screen doesn't come up? Jul 06 03:13:13 that didn't sound very confident. hmmm I just got the 2GB card today too... man... Jul 06 03:13:33 http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz Jul 06 03:13:42 ok Jul 06 03:13:50 i'm going to try this mmc booting stuff Jul 06 03:13:56 gotta unload my card first Jul 06 03:14:24 thank you! Jul 06 03:14:28 pupnik: do you boot from card? Jul 06 03:15:03 no, it sounded too complicated Jul 06 03:15:15 dick-richardson: you might need libsdl-net Jul 06 03:15:28 it looks pretty simple Jul 06 03:15:40 just a lot of typing Jul 06 03:16:39 pupnik_: sounds good. i'm looking forward to getting the keyboard. wizardry vii on the n800...? little slice of heaven Jul 06 03:17:32 i tried it verrrrrry slow Jul 06 03:17:46 dosbox gives you about 4.77-12 mhz PC/AT equivalent Jul 06 03:17:55 wizardry vii? Jul 06 03:18:07 yes i think 7 or 8 Jul 06 03:18:14 I'm more impressed someone else has heard of it :P Jul 06 03:18:26 the one where you start out on this alien planet Jul 06 03:18:37 yep.. crusaders of the dark savant. 7 Jul 06 03:19:26 someone has begun tentative steps for a JIT x86 compiler for ARM, but i doubt it will ever make it into dosbox Jul 06 03:20:31 too bad...there's a niche there Jul 06 03:21:03 it does ok with ultima 5 and alleycat ... the PC/AT era stuff Jul 06 03:21:20 Prince of Persia is playable Jul 06 03:22:06 the n800 increasingly replaces my laptop Jul 06 03:22:39 yeah i even torrented a few files on the 770 Jul 06 03:22:47 oh the n800 might do a 12mhz AT Jul 06 03:23:10 i'm still waiting for someone to give me MIPS figures on dosbox+N800 Jul 06 03:23:31 I'll have 'em when I get a keyboard...any recommendations? Jul 06 03:23:49 i bundled two benchmarking programs with dosbox .tgz Jul 06 03:23:58 stowaway or nokia's own? Jul 06 03:24:14 oh, i like the stowaway. could use a number-row though Jul 06 03:24:20 haven't tried nokias Jul 06 03:24:41 the hinge worries me...doesn't stabilize like the stowaways do Jul 06 03:25:01 yeah the locking feature is key for unstable surfaces Jul 06 03:25:26 any specific model? Jul 06 03:25:43 hmm Jul 06 03:25:44 i'll just grab one off newegg...have it tuesday Jul 06 03:25:45 there's a sierra which is bigger Jul 06 03:25:50 anyone here done the mmc partitioning? Jul 06 03:28:39 trying it again right now Jul 06 03:28:56 no problem so far Jul 06 03:29:18 will the os be using the first or second partition.. it looks like the second Jul 06 03:29:19 mkdosfs and restarted... Jul 06 03:29:52 i want to give the OS about 1/2gb Jul 06 03:30:11 don't want to end up giving it the 1&1/2gb part Jul 06 03:31:06 It'd also be useful to do system backups to another partition Jul 06 03:31:23 what are you installing, Trencher? Jul 06 03:31:41 i'm copying my os over to the mmc, but i'm partitioning the mmc first Jul 06 03:31:48 which os? Jul 06 03:31:53 2007 he Jul 06 03:32:00 I got the same error Jul 06 03:32:02 ahh, gotcha Jul 06 03:32:17 and i don't know which partition the os is going on Jul 06 03:32:25 so i don't know which one to make bigger Jul 06 03:32:54 i'm thinking the vfat one is the normal one, and the LINUX_83 one will be the os one Jul 06 03:33:56 let's hope Jul 06 03:34:39 trying to see if runs faster off the mmc than from embedded chip? Jul 06 03:35:16 yeah Jul 06 03:35:31 we taking bets? Jul 06 03:36:00 from what i read, odds are good Jul 06 03:36:07 and if anything, just switch it back Jul 06 03:36:26 the entire os? Jul 06 03:36:36 just copying it over Jul 06 03:36:50 then switching it to run from mmc Jul 06 03:36:53 ahh, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3969.html Jul 06 03:37:01 easy fix: switch it back to run off of flash again Jul 06 03:37:05 uncompressed fs Jul 06 03:37:14 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ Jul 06 03:38:59 hell, lemme know - pupnik_, that may factor in some with dosbox Jul 06 03:39:28 what error r u getting loco? Jul 06 03:39:28 ? Jul 06 03:40:01 dosbox loads into RAM Jul 06 03:40:09 er..nm. little slow Jul 06 03:40:15 <---I am Jul 06 03:40:20 heh s'okay Jul 06 03:40:42 i can't find what's causing corruption in vga on dosbox 7 Jul 06 03:41:44 the C64 emulator (frodo) runs at full speed though Jul 06 03:41:57 mke2fs wasn't downloaded Jul 06 03:42:13 ic Jul 06 03:42:26 have to get pixel-doubling working but i'm waiting for them to finish their new on-screen settings and file-load feature Jul 06 03:42:27 add more repos and apt-get again? Jul 06 03:42:28 I think Jul 06 03:42:38 i got it Jul 06 03:42:47 which repo? Jul 06 03:42:51 lots? Jul 06 03:43:52 i had a list of repos earlier, and added a couple by hand, but can't find the page now Jul 06 03:52:02 dual boot menu installed Jul 06 03:57:26 can you point me to the list of repo? Jul 06 03:59:36 if i can find it Jul 06 03:59:43 it was in the itt fourms somewhere Jul 06 04:00:17 * thoughtfix wanders back again Jul 06 04:00:25 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=44643&postcount=4 is a good one Jul 06 04:00:36 I'm such a nerd. I wrote about half of my Skype article and it's not even posted yet. Jul 06 04:01:23 Just wanted to be prepared for when - so the research is out of the way Jul 06 04:12:08 nooo it's lagging out Jul 06 04:17:10 just finished adding all the repo from that list Jul 06 04:17:45 worn out... going to bed, nite all. thanks for the help Jul 06 04:18:11 night Jul 06 04:18:13 unlagged Jul 06 04:18:20 almost done Jul 06 04:18:29 making the copy now Jul 06 04:19:27 wow Jul 06 04:19:37 a irc client that leaves rooms before killing connection Jul 06 04:19:47 the linux world scares me Jul 06 04:19:55 i want to crawl back into my box Jul 06 04:20:16 i haven't had to spend this much time on a unfamiliar command prompt in years Jul 06 04:20:35 heh well it seems big for a while Jul 06 04:20:44 just don't know the commands yet Jul 06 04:20:45 lol Jul 06 04:20:56 i tried to del like 4 times last night Jul 06 04:21:01 rm! rm! rm! Jul 06 04:21:13 you seem to be getting up to speed quickly Jul 06 04:21:23 i'm a fast learner :) Jul 06 04:21:27 and i love dos Jul 06 04:21:47 i still wrote dos batchscript for work in 2003 Jul 06 04:21:51 sometimes i start up xp to that stupid wannabe dos prompt Jul 06 04:22:00 and run stuff from it just for some nostaglic fun Jul 06 04:22:05 my irc looks like dos shell Jul 06 04:22:22 what program? Jul 06 04:22:29 mirc Jul 06 04:22:41 that seems to be the biggest Jul 06 04:22:56 linux doesn't seem to be big, per se, just complicated and messy Jul 06 04:24:03 i spent like 30 mins browsing around the filesystem trying to find where stuff gets installed Jul 06 04:24:08 yes, it's like decorating your house with found items at a bazaar Jul 06 04:24:13 seriously... Jul 06 04:24:14 rather than buying everything from ikea Jul 06 04:24:38 i shop in the ikea dumpster anyway Jul 06 04:24:50 pay for furniture? pfft Jul 06 04:24:57 only if it's a work of ART Jul 06 04:25:08 heh. well you might find that a linux 101 course / howto might be worthwhile Jul 06 04:25:16 get some structured background info Jul 06 04:25:44 and the debian users guide, to get the basics of the package management Jul 06 04:26:20 meh.. just dabbling in linux.. once it runs, i won't be touching it again Jul 06 04:27:27 what's with the unporportionate amount of underscores in the nicks here? Jul 06 04:28:13 multiple logins? Jul 06 04:28:34 gets set on reconnect Jul 06 04:28:40 ic Jul 06 04:28:49 never been on freenode Jul 06 04:29:10 on the client does that. if it tries to connect and your old nick is still listed as active Jul 06 04:29:21 which client? Jul 06 04:29:26 on the 770? Jul 06 04:29:29 most linux clients Jul 06 04:29:33 ic Jul 06 04:29:45 i must seem like a uneducated lout Jul 06 04:30:56 i love how that wiki page doesn't mention that the copy would take forever Jul 06 04:42:42 30 mins later.. (almost) still copying... Jul 06 04:43:17 i forgot, you on a 770? Jul 06 04:45:45 yes Jul 06 04:46:23 still /usr/share Jul 06 04:46:26 tar tar tar Jul 06 04:47:46 oww Jul 06 04:48:30 hope you're using the right flags to tar Jul 06 04:49:06 umm Jul 06 04:49:15 i did exactly what the wiki said Jul 06 04:49:22 ok Jul 06 04:49:32 .. /tar-temp/bin/tar cf - -C /floppy . | /tar-temp/bin/tar xvf - -C /opt Jul 06 04:51:39 yay Jul 06 04:51:43 moved on to /home/user Jul 06 04:52:15 you are doing this as root? Jul 06 04:53:03 yes Jul 06 04:53:09 you must be, otherwise you'd need -p to preserve permissions Jul 06 04:53:59 i don't get it.. why bother with root on a device like this Jul 06 04:54:40 most (if not all) malicious software won't even run on it because of the unique arcitecture Jul 06 04:55:11 stock setup doesn't even have access for the filesystem, so you can't accidentally delete something Jul 06 04:57:46 yay FINISH Jul 06 04:57:51 40 mins later Jul 06 05:00:11 :( i think i killed terminal.. no prompty Jul 06 05:00:32 nope, it worked Jul 06 05:00:50 Booting from mmc2 ... Jul 06 05:00:53 wow Jul 06 05:00:56 that does load faster Jul 06 05:01:42 heh now i jealous Jul 06 05:01:58 lxdoom still borked Jul 06 05:02:44 lol Jul 06 05:02:56 Storage memory available: 297.5 MB Jul 06 05:03:02 9% used Jul 06 05:03:05 that's definently nice Jul 06 05:03:15 ? that seems odd Jul 06 05:03:16 xtra 300mb for proggys Jul 06 05:03:25 you will have a hard time filling that Jul 06 05:03:45 and 1.37 GB for the normal mmc space Jul 06 05:04:30 now to recreate my swapfile Jul 06 05:04:55 you should try this Jul 06 05:04:56 lol Jul 06 05:05:08 this way i also have a full, working copy of the system Jul 06 05:05:16 in case something i do craps it out Jul 06 05:05:21 yeah. is your kernel the one that does high-speed MMC? Jul 06 05:05:32 iono Jul 06 05:05:59 2007 he is based on the latest 2006 kernel.. i think it has high-speed mmc support Jul 06 05:06:07 i think so too Jul 06 05:09:57 i'm going to regret this.. Jul 06 05:09:58 vi Jul 06 05:10:27 it's an efficient editor once you learn it Jul 06 05:11:09 how to exit... Jul 06 05:11:46 <`0660> ESC :q Jul 06 05:12:03 ... not going to walk someone through vi here Jul 06 05:12:07 lol Jul 06 05:12:18 lack of esc key... Jul 06 05:12:34 <`0660> :) Jul 06 05:12:46 <`0660> pupnik, why not? :P Jul 06 05:13:07 <`0660> Trencher, try just :q Jul 06 05:13:23 :) Jul 06 05:15:14 <`0660> back button works as esc Jul 06 05:16:18 <`0660> works like a charm Jul 06 05:16:20 i wonder why they put the connecting things on both sides of the feet Jul 06 05:16:30 <`0660> though i usually use it through ssh Jul 06 05:16:30 you'll never have more than 2 Jul 06 05:16:51 ssh.. a battle for another day Jul 06 05:17:00 last time i fought with linux was on my DS Jul 06 05:17:06 i managed to ssh into that Jul 06 05:17:11 nintendo? Jul 06 05:17:20 yes Jul 06 05:18:00 managed to get it to play a mp3 and milebones (though not at the same time) Jul 06 05:18:02 nice Jul 06 05:18:11 <`0660> you don't need superhuman powers to install ssh to n770 Jul 06 05:18:28 i have no need right now... Jul 06 05:18:54 i'm only buying the N800 successor if it has decent buttons for gaming Jul 06 05:19:06 you could try a bluetooth controller Jul 06 05:19:17 yeah my BT keyboard serves Jul 06 05:19:41 what games do you play? Jul 06 05:20:00 depending on what u want, maybe a actual gaming portable would be better Jul 06 05:20:08 mostly Space Duel (xmame) Jul 06 05:20:13 most of them have some rudimentary pim suites Jul 06 05:20:23 hmm Jul 06 05:20:26 no mame port for DS Jul 06 05:20:29 maybe psp? Jul 06 05:20:42 if i just wanted games i'd have bought the gp2x Jul 06 05:21:18 only reason i got the 770 was because it was on woot and it was listed like a laptop replacement Jul 06 05:21:24 and it works like one mostly Jul 06 05:21:47 that was a ridiculously good deal Jul 06 05:21:48 i want something to go online with and maybe play easy games and movies.. Jul 06 05:22:01 this is better than a laptop.. much more portable Jul 06 05:22:13 i'm not dreading lugging it around Jul 06 05:22:19 i got a old tecra 8100 Jul 06 05:22:25 Yeah. When i get exult working, that will be a very good RPG. Jul 06 05:22:33 i like nethack Jul 06 05:22:35 It works now but the steering is a bit clunky Jul 06 05:22:39 reminds me of a game i used to play Jul 06 05:22:44 ah yep... it's a nice port Jul 06 05:22:53 which was probably a nethack clone Jul 06 05:22:54 if you have a keyboard you can play TOME too Jul 06 05:23:02 angband? rogue? Jul 06 05:23:08 castle of the winds Jul 06 05:23:13 ah yes Jul 06 05:23:14 it's free now, but it's windows Jul 06 05:23:28 then there's daimonin, the online RPG Jul 06 05:23:37 if i want online Jul 06 05:23:52 i'll put on a telnet client, get a keyboard, and find a majormud server Jul 06 05:23:56 played that long time ago Jul 06 05:23:59 BBS FTW Jul 06 05:24:04 heh muds Jul 06 05:24:10 i remeber before win 3.1 Jul 06 05:24:14 had dos 6.22 Jul 06 05:24:29 and logged onto a bbs faithfully to play the games and DL shareware games Jul 06 05:25:00 i don't remeber the terminal we used.. Jul 06 05:25:08 that was back when i was messing around in ZZT Jul 06 05:25:12 procomm? qterm? Jul 06 05:25:22 nope.. something else Jul 06 05:25:24 i missed out on zzt Jul 06 05:25:35 i made some small maps for it Jul 06 05:25:50 a firework one.. where you did stuff and it made displays Jul 06 05:26:17 yay usb r fixed now too Jul 06 05:26:37 btw scummvm is a very nice port for 770 Jul 06 05:27:08 i don't have the patience for the puzzles though Jul 06 05:27:42 don't like those types of games either Jul 06 05:27:53 personally love FPS Jul 06 05:27:56 wish doom worked Jul 06 05:28:52 Star Control 2 / Ur-Quan Masters is incredibly good, IMO Jul 06 05:29:04 just have to get the on-screen buttons working Jul 06 05:34:36 yay Jul 06 05:34:58 helping someone in forums with the exact question i had about the partitions Jul 06 05:46:25 :) Jul 06 05:46:31 * pupnik naps Jul 06 05:46:35 cheers Trencher Jul 06 05:49:49 * thoughtfix itches for Skype Jul 06 05:49:55 * thoughtfix itches! Jul 06 06:00:40 only other bug i've found in 2007he is that when i played a avi i encoded for the 770, the sound was off a second or two from the picture Jul 06 06:00:52 but i'll try that again, maybe restarting the video would fix it Jul 06 06:05:19 ... Dreams come true Jul 06 06:06:46 90298052 bytes Jul 06 06:07:44 how do I make it so I can directly execute my python app on my n800? Jul 06 06:09:00 Install Xterm and just run it? Jul 06 06:09:54 yeah, I can do that if I do python app.py, but is there a way to make it so I can just run it by typing ./app.py Jul 06 06:10:07 http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html Jul 06 06:10:37 thoughtfix: is there a change log? Jul 06 06:10:49 Type #!/path/to/python to the first line of your script. Jul 06 06:11:35 I am still downloading Jul 06 06:11:36 sheesh! Jul 06 06:11:37 hehe Jul 06 06:11:40 And chmod it executable. Jul 06 06:12:31 JussiP I added /usr/bin/python2.5 but that didn't work Jul 06 06:15:28 Did you chmod the script file? Jul 06 06:15:50 I did it from ssh, that should still work right? Jul 06 06:16:20 now to wait for a new version for 770... Jul 06 06:16:20 lol Jul 06 06:16:54 Yes. Check and double check that the permissions and additions are done right. Jul 06 06:18:07 hmm, now I'm getting a text file is busy error Jul 06 06:19:04 Skype is on the N800 now Jul 06 06:19:47 Also, the #! (hash and exclamation mark) is mandatory, must be on the first line and must be at the beginning of the line. Jul 06 06:23:18 Rhapsody pre-installed too Jul 06 06:30:48 anybody actually get a app.desktop file to work? Jul 06 06:30:55 (with python) Jul 06 06:38:02 what's the use of 3.2 ? if no rootstraps are provided ? Jul 06 06:39:44 do i need to install 3.1 then apt-get dist-upgrade ? Jul 06 06:56:15 hi all Jul 06 06:56:27 who has already updated the N800 firmware ? Jul 06 07:07:18 So, is the flash any better? Jul 06 07:07:36 I'm downloading it atm, so haven't tested yet Jul 06 07:11:08 Im just installing it Jul 06 07:11:10 Flash is a bit better once it is done buffering Jul 06 07:11:14 but there are some browser rendering flaws Jul 06 07:11:24 now its downloading the 4.5 MB of skype Jul 06 07:15:41 ahh... great to hear that flash is better Jul 06 07:15:58 I'm still backing up the device Jul 06 07:16:19 Gotta give the N800 users their Strong Bad Email! Jul 06 07:16:42 Thenhttp://maemo.org/news/view/1183705330.html Jul 06 07:17:58 wow. the flash really happened in a flash! Jul 06 07:20:06 \o/ Jul 06 07:21:26 Does the backup tool also backup the canola config? Jul 06 07:21:35 Or should I backup that manually? Jul 06 07:21:53 http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html More posts Jul 06 07:24:17 seems the skype servers for the n800 are extremely busy now.... Jul 06 07:26:09 febb, surprise, surprise? Jul 06 07:27:18 not a bit !!! Jul 06 07:28:09 mmm...maybe we should work on a bittorrent implementation for the updates.... Jul 06 07:29:31 nothing stopping anyone from seeding on publicdomaintorrents Jul 06 07:30:12 yeah, thats true...but the app manager doesn't operate in a torrent fashion....does it? Jul 06 07:33:12 Skype video posted Jul 06 07:34:29 Morning, all Jul 06 07:34:33 So, new firmware then? Jul 06 07:34:56 Jaffa: Jul 06 07:35:00 http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html Jul 06 07:41:27 Hmm, interesting set of changes. Jul 06 07:42:17 any way to save existing third-party apps and restore them? Jul 06 07:42:24 I love the sdhc support Jul 06 07:42:48 how big are SD cards going to be soon? Jul 06 07:43:05 rwhitby: some combination of saving /etc/apt/sources.list and dpkg --save-selections (or somesuch) Jul 06 07:43:11 Does someone know whether Debhelper will be bumped to >= 5 in sardine for the new 4.x cycle? Jul 06 07:43:38 would be nice Jul 06 07:44:39 Jaffa: But some sort of editing to the sources.list may be required, right? I mean to reflect the OS version..... Jul 06 07:45:11 pupnik: probably 16 gigs later this year Jul 06 07:45:30 wow 32GB on a N800 Jul 06 07:45:56 Jaffa: good idea Jul 06 07:45:58 of course they won't be cheap, but at least will drive prices of smaller ones down Jul 06 07:46:35 yeah. 4 gig sds will be the way to go this year. Jul 06 07:47:17 febb: not if you were already on bora. This is a minor upgrade onlyu. Jul 06 07:47:49 dpkg --get-selections, then dpkg --set-selections Jul 06 07:48:35 Okay... it does support non-SDHC 4GB SD cards Jul 06 07:48:40 contrary to what the release notes say Jul 06 07:48:54 Jaffa: Ok, then if I made a backup of sources.list, only restoring the file wil let me rre-install my previous apps...the ones I already had installed. Jul 06 07:49:56 ....for instance, I activated red-pill mode and I do not see ssh on the default repos.....(haven't modified the sources.list tough).. Jul 06 07:50:33 febb: yes, it will let you re-install them. Poking about with dpkg will also let you, with one command, re-install everything you had before (if it came from a repo). Suppoedly the new app mgr does this. Jul 06 07:50:53 has ssh ever been in the default repos? Jul 06 07:51:22 yes, once red-pill mode was activated, ssh was there. Jul 06 07:53:08 as far as I know it has been available from the sdk repositories, but I could be wrong fo course Jul 06 07:54:08 I actually installed it directly from the default repos, once I activated the red-pill mode, otherwise it wont show. Jul 06 07:54:23 the thing is that with this new firmware it is not working that way..... Jul 06 07:54:35 Touch sensitivity improvements sound welcome (thoughtfix: noticable?) but I'm concerned that the only app level change that's deemed worth mentioning is the separation of "Now playing" and "Library" in Media Player. Jul 06 07:54:40 I already activated red pill but see not much to install. Jul 06 07:56:04 wow. dailymotion plays now in 3 fps instead of 2.5 fps. Jul 06 07:57:07 until it crashes. Jul 06 07:57:19 Who wants to laugh at ThoughtFix - Latest update on my top post Jul 06 08:03:17 solmumaha: yes, I'm working on it Jul 06 08:03:30 has anyone already installed Xterm with the new n800 firmware ? Jul 06 08:06:37 febb: yep.. Jul 06 08:07:08 koen|edinburgh: what's the weather like up there? Jul 06 08:07:15 guess :) Jul 06 08:07:36 * koen|edinburgh hints at dark clouds and raigear Jul 06 08:07:38 +n Jul 06 08:07:50 X-Fade did you get it from a repo throug the web ? or how did you installed it? i just upgraded the firmware, changed the app manager to red pill mode but I do not see any "special items" such as Xterm...as it did before. Jul 06 08:08:56 Just installed osso-xterm through application manager. 0.13.mh24bora1 Jul 06 08:09:01 xterm has never been in the product repositories and I doubt ssh has either Jul 06 08:09:09 So that is from the maemo-hackers repository.. Jul 06 08:09:48 jjo_: ssh is in the bora repository.. Jul 06 08:10:09 yeah, i beleive it used to be on that repo maemo-hackers....and it activated when red pill mode was set...as far as I can recall.... Jul 06 08:11:11 X-fade: and you installed osso-xterm after adding additional repos (to the two that come by default) ? Jul 06 08:11:39 febb, I restored my backup. That included all repositories.. Jul 06 08:12:10 http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ bora main Jul 06 08:12:19 X-fade : ah ! I see now.... and all you previous apps are supposed to work fine..I must think..... Jul 06 08:12:37 febb: No, you have to reinstall all of them. Jul 06 08:12:48 But the settings remained.. Jul 06 08:13:27 ok. I made a ful backup prior installing the new firmware... but did not restore it. (actually I feared a mess would be made).... Jul 06 08:13:41 X-Fade: in the bora repository yes, but that's an sdk repository Jul 06 08:13:45 febb: Nah, that is ok.. Jul 06 08:13:50 jjo_: Yep it is.. Jul 06 08:13:54 but I also made a backup of /etc/apt/sources.list Jul 06 08:14:14 now I do not have an xterm...thats what I was looking to isntall first and then change to root. Jul 06 08:14:16 and do the rest. Jul 06 08:17:16 ok... I got the maemo-hacker repo installed now...seems I am ok now... Jul 06 08:17:59 woow working so late makes a mess with concentration...not a good time to make firmware upgrades :) Jul 06 08:30:30 morning Jul 06 08:32:09 * thoughtfix wanders back Jul 06 08:32:11 busy morning Jul 06 08:32:56 omg, the touchscreen feels so much better Jul 06 08:33:13 I agree.. much much better Jul 06 08:33:32 only thing i've hated in it Jul 06 08:34:12 the application selection via thumb is still crap though. Jul 06 08:35:53 feels like new hardware now Jul 06 08:38:41 Too bad they don't use plankton as the default theme ;) Jul 06 08:39:21 Hmm it isn't in extras either. Lets find that link again.. Jul 06 08:39:27 plankton? Jul 06 08:40:28 Ah: http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ Jul 06 08:43:31 Okay I am done for the night. http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/breaking-news-new-firmware-is-here.html Anyone else seeing the page rendering problems I see? Jul 06 08:44:51 Anyone want to Slashdot me? ;) Jul 06 08:49:05 well.. thanks for tonights help..... gotta run now.. Jul 06 09:09:44 so i guess USB host support did not make it into the update Jul 06 09:17:24 Aloha! Jul 06 09:19:01 is there a new update? Jul 06 09:19:13 gomiam: yep Jul 06 09:19:26 http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/ Jul 06 09:19:28 ok, I'll have to go and check it :-D Jul 06 09:20:05 I rebranded, gwak Jul 06 09:20:09 http://tabletblog.com ;) Jul 06 09:20:12 Thanks :D Jul 06 09:20:22 did it get Skype? Jul 06 09:20:22 Yeah - no mention of USB OTG Jul 06 09:20:25 Yep Jul 06 09:20:29 yay! Jul 06 09:20:44 See a video of Skype in action there. Jul 06 09:20:45 now I can bother my brother from anywhere :-D Jul 06 09:20:54 And don't forget to let Engadget, Gizmodo, and Slashdot know Jul 06 09:21:04 ;) Off to bed. For real this time. G'nite! Jul 06 09:21:07 thoughtfix-away: you should update your sig for you itt account Jul 06 09:21:28 thoughtfix-away: I'll have to add you on Skype at some given time :-P Jul 06 09:21:39 to wake you up at 3am :-D Jul 06 09:22:16 Done :) Jul 06 09:22:17 hahahaha Jul 06 09:22:30 I don't know if I will leave Skype on the N800 next to my bed. Jul 06 09:22:43 And it's already 2:22 AM Jul 06 09:22:57 oh, then I will have to hack into it and start Skype up myself :-D Jul 06 09:23:58 offtopic, has anybody used basecamp for project planning? Jul 06 09:25:14 ok, time to start backing everything up Jul 06 09:25:27 gwak: I have Jul 06 09:25:50 konttori:do you recomand it for small teams 2-3 people? Jul 06 09:26:00 http://digg.com/linux_unix/Nokia_N800_has_a_new_Firmware Jul 06 09:26:53 ok, getting ready to try and send the story to Slashdot Jul 06 09:26:54 thoughtfix-away:dug Jul 06 09:27:55 google street view work? Jul 06 09:28:06 :D Jul 06 09:28:08 updating now.. Jul 06 09:28:10 N800: Let me check Jul 06 09:28:13 can someone check.. Jul 06 09:28:15 thanks Jul 06 09:28:55 real nice if it does... Jul 06 09:29:49 gwak: I think it's the best one out there. I've used it for 4-5 person projects and it's been really sweet. Jul 06 09:30:16 thoughtfix: good luck! Jul 06 09:30:19 Street View just shows a bubble Jul 06 09:30:41 flash 9.... Jul 06 09:31:25 Okay ... Really this time. To bed! Jul 06 09:32:13 pity. You won't get to see my slashdot submission until the morning :-P Jul 06 09:33:07 Yay! More adverts will work. Joy. Jul 06 09:35:06 ok, submitted at slashdot. Jul 06 09:35:29 gomaiam: do you konw how to submit something to engadget? Jul 06 09:38:45 konttori: it looks nice but it feel the task management might be to simplistic, but that could be a good thing Jul 06 09:40:47 hmm, Windows software update still won't work for me Jul 06 09:40:48 no idea. I guess you will need to register, perhaps Jul 06 09:42:40 there's a "Tip us no news!" link up on the right Jul 06 09:42:50 I'm submitting the story as of now Jul 06 09:43:36 gomiam:good eye, the frontpage is way to linky IMO Jul 06 09:44:44 "gomiam:good eye"... true, now if the other one worked as well ;-P Jul 06 09:45:11 streetview seems to want to work, but the browser i'm not sure is ok with it. Jul 06 09:46:08 this sounds great: With the new firmware update the Tableteer desktop applet icon shows what appears to be a hard cover case for the N800, though at the moment the link is showing 404. Jul 06 09:46:10 qwak: Yeah. I think it's good that it's simple. Jul 06 09:46:21 ok, news submitted at endgadget Jul 06 09:46:24 I haven't used it for more than two projects (lasting 2 weeks each) though Jul 06 09:46:35 and I've mostly just been committing tasks there. Jul 06 09:46:37 submitted text: I've just been told by Thoughtfix (on IRC) that there is a new firmware for the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet.

Jul 06 09:46:37 The official announce lists new features like included Skype, Adobe Flash 9, better battery and screen management and SDHC card support up to 8GB. Great news for us N800 users. Jul 06 09:46:44 sorry for the flood. Jul 06 09:47:53 there is something that bothers me, though. Jul 06 09:48:10 What's the use of restricting the firmware downloads, anyway? Jul 06 09:48:32 it's not like I can't share my downloaded firmware on P2P networks, anyway. Jul 06 09:49:05 ok, backup complete Jul 06 09:49:10 konttori:i just signed up for an account, my project is 4 months and has 8 different deliverables with many dependencies between the deliverables . Jul 06 09:49:16 now it's time to do a dpkg --get-selection :-) Jul 06 09:50:13 konttori: but the first phase of the project was managed with email and excel ;-] Jul 06 09:51:03 ouch, dpkg --get-selection doesn't work? Jul 06 09:51:36 sounds like that will be quite an improvement. Jul 06 09:51:59 ah, it's --get-selections Jul 06 09:52:16 OTOH. I feel the most important thing is that there is some place to keep list of things to do and their priorities. And I think that is a pretty good one for that. Jul 06 09:55:59 what was the button to start the N800 in USB mode? Jul 06 09:56:06 gomiam: licence restrictions I imagine, lawyers won't want someone ripping out Opera (say) and putting it on their Zaurus. Jul 06 09:57:07 Jaffa: and, of course, nobody will think about buying a N800 and downloading the firmware so they can rip Opera out, right? :-) Jul 06 09:57:16 does anyone have a list of things to backup before flashing? Jul 06 09:57:36 gpd, I have backed up "everything" Jul 06 09:57:44 gomiam: Lawyers only want their asses covered ;-) Jul 06 09:58:01 since I store nothing on the internal memory, I just made a backup of /etc/apt/sources.list Jul 06 09:58:07 and dpkg --get-selections >somefile Jul 06 09:58:11 to make sure Jul 06 09:58:31 that last one will certainly not get backed up Jul 06 09:58:44 and it would be a PITA to hunt all those apps again Jul 06 09:58:49 gomiam: good plan. isn't there another dpkg command to save the state (/me looks) Jul 06 09:59:06 I don't know Jul 06 09:59:15 but once you have the system up to date Jul 06 09:59:30 you can dpkg --set-selections :-) Jul 06 10:00:40 any you just rsync or tar /home/user and maybe /etc too? Jul 06 10:01:39 no. I have no date at /home/user anyway Jul 06 10:01:46 and no relevant information on /etc Jul 06 10:01:55 anything else I need I can rewrite Jul 06 10:02:29 no I'll wait for the N800 to recharge a bit. Jul 06 10:02:53 so/no/now/ Jul 06 10:02:55 last time I did this was a minor disaster, so don't want a repeat. I got a bit carried away and forgot to backup all my ~/.foo files Jul 06 10:02:57 argh Jul 06 10:03:06 mmm... Jul 06 10:03:19 I'll check that, just in case Jul 06 10:04:43 now I think of it, I have an USB traffic analyzer installed Jul 06 10:05:01 I could try and see whether I can sniff something while uploading :-D Jul 06 10:05:32 gomiam: Or you could look at the source code for 0xffff :) Jul 06 10:07:12 X-Fade: yeah, but this is much convoluted, ergo much better :-P I'm actually interested in known whether the N800 acts as a simple storage device or not (well, I already know it doesn't) Jul 06 10:10:33 wow Jul 06 10:11:20 heh from thoughfix's blog "If there's anyone in Europe who wants to call my cell phone and wake me wherever I am to tell me when the new firmware is posted, let me know. I" Jul 06 10:12:23 well, is the update coming then soon? Jul 06 10:12:34 Fatal:its out now Jul 06 10:12:41 I'm looking forward to seeing what they've done with power management - as that was becoming a big issue for me Jul 06 10:12:45 hmm. so it seems Jul 06 10:12:52 http://maemo.org/news/view/1183705330.html Jul 06 10:14:02 flash & skype, nice. Jul 06 10:14:14 ooh new firm? Jul 06 10:14:22 ooooh Jul 06 10:14:24 damn Jul 06 10:14:29 i want a n800 now Jul 06 10:14:50 and the touch screen sensitivity fix, that's one I want ;) Jul 06 10:15:16 8G cards also handy with all those maemo maps :D Jul 06 10:16:01 can someone set the #maemo login banner to announce the update? Jul 06 10:18:00 me too glass! just need an n800 pricecut before my sept trip to the states! Jul 06 10:19:00 aloha Jul 06 10:20:08 gpd: woohoo! Jul 06 10:22:24 * gpd makes final preparations for flash :D Jul 06 10:26:31 the obvious problem with get-selections - is that not all of my installed packages are from repositories :( Jul 06 10:27:06 I'm not even sure if I still have the deb packages - so this could be slightly painful :( Jul 06 10:27:59 anyone know if there is a dpkg/apt command to list the packages not in the current repository, but installed locally? Jul 06 10:28:06 Is there anyone who could post a link to/copy of the N800's avs_kernelcfg.cmd file? (I left my N800 at home) Jul 06 10:30:13 the file lives in /lib/dsp/ Jul 06 10:30:25 lardman: see pm Jul 06 10:30:55 gpd: I think my client is having a bad day, I don't see anything Jul 06 10:31:16 gpd: you could combine dpkg --get-selections with apt-cache showpkg or somesuch, perhaps? Jul 06 10:31:16 http://www.grahamdavies.net/avs_kernelcfg.cmd Jul 06 10:31:55 Yay: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 is marked "fixed" :-) Jul 06 10:32:01 Thank you very much :). I've grabbed a copy so you can take it down if you want Jul 06 10:32:08 lardman: ok no problem Jul 06 10:33:14 Jaffa: wow - that would be good. mine has crashed a lot because of that bug Jul 06 10:34:16 what's the new kernel Jul 06 10:34:18 * gpd wonders why his /var/log/wtmp is 184Mb Jul 06 10:36:13 eugene: Linux Nokia-N800-26 2.6.18-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 13 11:37:40 EEST 2007 armv6l unknown Jul 06 10:37:07 * gpd flashes Jul 06 10:37:18 * lardman covers his eyes ;) Jul 06 10:39:38 phone selection wizard: is that new? Jul 06 10:42:44 skipe is working :) Jul 06 10:43:32 melmoth: no video i guess? Jul 06 10:43:43 the text inputs fields are messed up Jul 06 10:43:46 Only me? Jul 06 10:43:47 i havent try the video Jul 06 10:44:13 not mentioned in the blurb - but would be killer if it did Jul 06 10:45:16 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ <= does this also apply to the n800? mentions only n770 Jul 06 10:46:01 chrissturm: yes, people have it working (including my GUI) with the N800 Jul 06 10:48:57 Sorry, we currently have no Carrying Cases Accessories for Nokia N800 Internet Tablet. Jul 06 10:56:16 * gpd grinds teeth as restore takes *forever* Jul 06 10:57:40 skype is cool Jul 06 10:57:52 flash 9 is cooler Jul 06 10:58:43 has anbody seen how the CPU useage is under skype? Jul 06 10:59:06 X-Fade: ah, ok thanks dude Jul 06 10:59:29 lol...where is the usb input of the n800...cant find it X.O Jul 06 10:59:37 how has tried the opensource version of the flash program Jul 06 10:59:50 ah okay..lol...me silly Jul 06 10:59:51 eichi: open the stand, usb on right side Jul 06 11:00:02 n800 is more like a hacker toy than a real pda :( Jul 06 11:00:30 eugene:its an internet tabet ;-] Jul 06 11:00:31 going to buy a skype number and get a plan if they offer... Jul 06 11:00:33 eugene: its more fun like a "real pda" Jul 06 11:00:37 hehe Jul 06 11:00:57 * eugene still downloading. 84% Jul 06 11:01:26 eugene: very true - but it is a shame, as it wouldn't take much to make it into a killer device: mostly marketing and some usability features Jul 06 11:01:44 is there a total reset for n800...i will do firmware update now...what happens, if it gets in trouble? Jul 06 11:02:02 gpd: if only i do not have to restore my stuff all the time. i keep on reflashing it :) Jul 06 11:02:21 hey Jul 06 11:02:31 so, nokia's come out with a new version of OS 2007 with Skype... Jul 06 11:02:35 eugene: agreed. the restore is flawed atm Jul 06 11:02:44 are they still working on Hacker Edition? Jul 06 11:02:44 yes Jul 06 11:02:45 looks like i can't do more fanciful stuff with scratchbox :( Jul 06 11:02:56 as in, will I be able to eventually run Skype on my 770? Jul 06 11:05:42 * jpt9 would love that. Jul 06 11:07:04 what to do with the n800 if the firmware dies...is there a total reset? or is it playing with the fire...firmwareupdate Jul 06 11:07:28 It's a fairly robust protocol. Jul 06 11:07:38 No-one has ever bricked a device during flashing, AFAIK. Jul 06 11:07:42 eichi: reflash with an older version of os 2007 Jul 06 11:07:55 I did, but it was a prototype device with a prototype bootloader... ;) Jul 06 11:07:56 Jaffa: actually i don't see why you could brick it ... Jul 06 11:08:08 Robot101: ah... is it documented somewhere? Jul 06 11:08:15 yay it's downloaded. time to reflash! Jul 06 11:08:23 Robot101: you've got an excuse ;-) Jul 06 11:08:24 if you'd be flashing the part thats needed for flashing.. Jul 06 11:08:38 like the bootloader thing on wm devices, then i could see it bricking Jul 06 11:09:05 eugene: it's not very useful information, given that nokia don't distribute prototype hardware or their bootloaders to consumers :D Jul 06 11:09:20 but in normal operation, I've never had any problems flashing Jul 06 11:09:22 ya.. Jul 06 11:09:30 and I flash a loooot Jul 06 11:09:47 Third party themes are apparantly "broken". Jul 06 11:10:18 yay. done flashing Jul 06 11:10:31 hmm Jul 06 11:11:09 not sure why the kernel would be the same. Jul 06 11:11:21 * jpt9 wants an updated hacker edition! Jul 06 11:11:46 skype saves logs of conversations on the its servers Jul 06 11:12:27 I'm unable to get the N800 in flashable mode Jul 06 11:12:40 if sdhc is supported, then i guess there must be a newer kernel isn't it? since the kernel in the older version of firmware don't support sdhc Jul 06 11:12:44 i was chatting on the n800 with someone...logged into skype on my notebook...and the conversation i'm having is showed up on the notebook. Jul 06 11:12:53 eugene: that means..flashing is fireware independent...you can do it everytime? that good ^^ Jul 06 11:13:08 N800: indeed Jul 06 11:13:29 sigh. got to re-setup everything again Jul 06 11:13:38 add in repositories again Jul 06 11:13:42 apt-get install all over again... Jul 06 11:14:09 eugene, that's why I make a backup of sources.list and a dpkg --get-selections Jul 06 11:14:27 that way I can script my way back into recovering everything. Jul 06 11:14:47 why is the n800 no pda? where is the difference..i have a n800..but never had a PDA Jul 06 11:15:39 eichi: well... it has bigger specs, perhaps :-) Jul 06 11:15:59 then again, I don't quite see the difference between a PDA and a UMPC, anyway (besides the size) Jul 06 11:16:29 specs? Jul 06 11:16:34 argh, am I supposed to keep both the power-on button and the home button pressed until the USB icon shows= Jul 06 11:16:35 gomiam: still painful Jul 06 11:16:36 ? Jul 06 11:16:41 gomiam: guess i need to save $HOME too Jul 06 11:17:01 specs=specifications (processor, memory, etc.) Jul 06 11:17:15 eugene: I already did, just in case :-) Jul 06 11:17:41 gomiam: i didn't :) Jul 06 11:17:45 perhaps I need to connect the N800 to USB first... Jul 06 11:17:47 gomiam: what else to backup Jul 06 11:18:00 guess what Jul 06 11:18:04 my rss feeds are gone Jul 06 11:18:09 ow Jul 06 11:18:09 my applets are all gone Jul 06 11:18:37 so its not enabled by default now Jul 06 11:19:24 I read once about some file you could edit to add backup locations Jul 06 11:19:30 I never followed on that, though. Jul 06 11:19:50 did u use the backup feature? Jul 06 11:19:53 in the device itself? Jul 06 11:19:58 any idea where it backups the files to? Jul 06 11:20:07 mmm... to the memory card Jul 06 11:20:31 you can especify the name of the directory Jul 06 11:20:33 ah Jul 06 11:20:38 what is backuped? Jul 06 11:21:23 damn is there no | on the n800 keyboard? Jul 06 11:21:26 hold on while I start reflashing and I'll look it up Jul 06 11:21:34 yes, on the second tab of the symbol list Jul 06 11:21:50 at the middle, second line Jul 06 11:21:53 ah okay, blind..sorry Jul 06 11:21:58 hard to find the first time :-) Jul 06 11:22:28 ok, let me look up the backup application information, eugene Jul 06 11:23:11 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4759&highlight=n800 Jul 06 11:23:16 read that thread Jul 06 11:23:45 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35170&postcount=26 Jul 06 11:23:47 even better Jul 06 11:24:15 ouch, wrong link Jul 06 11:24:35 <`0660> heh, i wonder where they are sharing the new firmware from Jul 06 11:24:50 gomiam: thanks man Jul 06 11:24:51 <`0660> got it with 2800 KB/S Jul 06 11:25:04 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4378 Jul 06 11:25:22 that thread is about the N770, but it could be helpful too Jul 06 11:25:45 wwthanks again man Jul 06 11:25:51 no problem Jul 06 11:26:01 I'm solving the question for both of us :-) Jul 06 11:26:04 ;) Jul 06 11:26:12 im going to update my blog later.. Jul 06 11:27:24 ah so u need to download and install skype.. Jul 06 11:27:31 and the winner is... http://internettabletmania.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/customizing-what-gets-backed-up-on-the-internet-tablets-workaround-for-bug-974/ Jul 06 11:27:32 its not with the firmware Jul 06 11:27:44 "Customizing what gets backed up on the Internet Tablets Jul 06 11:27:45 :-D Jul 06 11:27:50 cool! Jul 06 11:28:17 this page is going into my bookmarks as soon as I finish typing this line :-D Jul 06 11:28:28 done Jul 06 11:28:57 ;) Jul 06 11:29:52 ok, let's see how does the N800 look after reflashing Jul 06 11:30:08 (cue Jaws music) Jul 06 11:30:41 http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html Jul 06 11:31:03 nice, jpt9 Jul 06 11:31:13 I'll hav to tell a pal of mine. Jul 06 11:31:31 submitted the story to osnews Jul 06 11:31:37 pretty small odds of skype working due to lack of codecs :-( Jul 06 11:31:59 can't have everything Jul 06 11:32:06 but it's skype! Jul 06 11:32:17 whats the best mail client on maemo? it seems 3.2 still has the same default mail client as 3.1 Jul 06 11:32:27 claws-mail is good. Jul 06 11:32:35 chrissturm: some people like claws Jul 06 11:33:12 the standard one is good enough for me. N800 isn't my main mail platform,anyway Jul 06 11:33:17 does vpn work on n800? Jul 06 11:33:29 jpt9: What do you mean lack of codecs? Jul 06 11:33:50 "Sadly the odds of getting Skype to work with the 770 are low, as we lack working codecs for the OMAP 1710 processor." Jul 06 11:33:56 lardman: Skype requires some codecs that probably work on floating-point Jul 06 11:33:59 which the N770 lacks Jul 06 11:34:22 err, which cpu n800 has? Jul 06 11:34:36 it's an omap2420 Jul 06 11:34:51 jpt9: Sorry, didn't realise you were quoting Jul 06 11:34:55 oh. Jul 06 11:35:08 i wish i know more ab out omap2420 Jul 06 11:35:38 eugene: what do you want to know? Jul 06 11:35:47 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123 Jul 06 11:35:50 i don't really know anything about it Jul 06 11:36:00 i can google later Jul 06 11:36:06 eugene: start there, I already googled it :-D Jul 06 11:36:11 hmm, is that more related to the fact that the DSP isn't working on the Hacker Edition on the 770 (or has this been fixed?) Jul 06 11:36:11 gomiam: thanks! Jul 06 11:36:19 behold the power of two screens :-D Jul 06 11:36:23 heh Jul 06 11:36:33 useful news items on maemo.org.. wtf Jul 06 11:36:40 i'm pretty sure the DSP works on hacker edition; the sound works perfectly fine (unless I'm missing something) Jul 06 11:37:06 does it do mp3 decoding? Jul 06 11:37:11 yeah. Jul 06 11:37:20 ah, fair enough Jul 06 11:37:22 and not just normal mp3 decoding -- *streaming* mp3 decoding! Jul 06 11:37:25 off archive.org Jul 06 11:37:34 you should check out some of the old-time radio sci-fi there. Jul 06 11:37:38 it's pretty good. Jul 06 11:37:46 The n800 has voice detection routines in the dsp kernel, not sure about the 770, I've not looked Jul 06 11:38:00 voice detection in dsp kernel? hmm Jul 06 11:38:08 restoring backup.... Jul 06 11:38:17 "voice detection"? Please specify Jul 06 11:38:24 I have often thought that an n800 would be ideal for voice control... Jul 06 11:38:27 Voice Activity Detection Jul 06 11:38:34 that should work on 1710 too, same dsp ? Jul 06 11:38:37 think of typing by spelling out workds Jul 06 11:38:41 but no voice recognition, right? Jul 06 11:38:50 beyond that, I mean. Jul 06 11:38:51 fatal-: Depends on whether it's in there though Jul 06 11:38:53 it should be pretty accurate Jul 06 11:39:00 interesting Jul 06 11:39:01 :-D Jul 06 11:39:31 gomiam: you could try running sphinx.. Jul 06 11:39:37 now I can videotape a scene and make the computer generate the subtitles on the run (crackpot thought) Jul 06 11:39:49 gomiam: No, but you could just use Sphinx, etc.? Jul 06 11:40:01 oops, bit late typing Jul 06 11:40:12 http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/736757217/ Jul 06 11:40:27 voice, with a limited set of sounds to reconized, instead of general voice is an option I have not seen used and it should be quite workable Jul 06 11:40:29 ok, ok. I'll think about giving it a run. Does it have a Spanish language unit? Jul 06 11:41:05 hi Jul 06 11:41:05 <_Monkey> niihau, Andy80 Jul 06 11:41:27 eugene: "Take a deep breath"? Do I need to scream at the bloody thing for it to send my voice over? :-D Jul 06 11:41:35 gomiam: lol Jul 06 11:41:37 reminds me of a Spanish telecom advert Jul 06 11:41:46 I read Quim message... and I didn't read your question you made yesterday evening... because I went out Jul 06 11:42:00 :( Jul 06 11:42:05 no one is on skype now Jul 06 11:42:23 oh, if you wish I can run Skype on laptop so you can get a test Jul 06 11:42:37 ok ;) Jul 06 11:42:49 what's package is better for playing OGG files? mogg or ogg-support? Jul 06 11:43:41 I hope you will excuse my spoken English, it's a bit rusty from lack of use Jul 06 11:44:12 maybe later. my wife is back :D Jul 06 11:44:30 oh, excuses, excuses :-D Jul 06 11:44:38 I even had the webcam ready :-D Jul 06 11:44:40 really Jul 06 11:44:42 heh Jul 06 11:44:46 video not supported i think Jul 06 11:44:46 I see the N800 has iLBC as well as G7.111 built in Jul 06 11:45:02 o, look up gomiam on Skype at some time and tell me it's you. Jul 06 11:45:03 s/G7.111/G7.11 Jul 06 11:45:22 no, don't message me with "I'm me" :-P Jul 06 11:45:56 u r from spain Jul 06 11:46:02 yup Jul 06 11:46:03 :-D Jul 06 11:46:09 cant see you Jul 06 11:46:22 what's your Skype nich? Jul 06 11:46:24 nick Jul 06 11:46:30 calling u now Jul 06 11:46:31 ;) Jul 06 11:48:25 wow Jul 06 11:48:27 heh Jul 06 11:48:28 gomiam: so clear :) Jul 06 11:48:30 gomiam: so loud :) Jul 06 11:48:35 gomiam: and you speak good english :) Jul 06 11:48:40 that was me "taking a deep breath" Jul 06 11:48:41 thanks Jul 06 11:48:58 eugene/gomiam: will the n800 display video? Jul 06 11:49:13 it msut be my being here for a few minutes, I already have made the transtition from "translating english" to "thinking english" Jul 06 11:49:21 gwak: didn't check it in the end Jul 06 11:49:26 let me see if my webcam is working Jul 06 11:49:46 it is a shame there is no video support in Skype Jul 06 11:49:47 hehe Jul 06 11:49:59 eugene, I'll call you back for a trial run Jul 06 11:50:02 if you don't mind Jul 06 11:50:07 ok Jul 06 11:51:06 no video :( Jul 06 11:51:09 it looks like there's no video option Jul 06 11:51:38 to bad ;-[ Jul 06 11:52:24 but good enough Jul 06 11:52:54 i am exicited to try it , Gizmo was to laggy for me Jul 06 11:55:25 ok, I have checked wit h a friend that my video feed actually works Jul 06 11:55:35 ergo it's the N800 that doesn't get the video Jul 06 11:55:35 why do i need to fill in the MAC Adress of my pda to download the software...?! Jul 06 11:57:04 eichi, that's weird, I have to fill in the MAC address of my tablet, fortunately, as I don't have a PDA Jul 06 11:57:07 eichi: to make sure u r the owner of a n800 Jul 06 11:57:24 inz :-P Jul 06 11:57:31 with the : or without Jul 06 11:57:33 ? Jul 06 11:57:33 eichi: some weird Nokia policy Jul 06 11:57:35 without Jul 06 11:58:03 i thought its gpl...not n800 owner only.. Jul 06 11:58:17 eichi: GPL doesn't require you to enter your MAC to get a firmware update :-D Jul 06 11:58:54 4.2007.26-8 is the latest stable? Jul 06 11:59:04 jezus this is a nightmare: i have no terminal and no ssh after flash (of course) so I have to manually select each package to even get started being back up to speed :( Jul 06 11:59:28 gpd: yeah, that's a bitch. Jul 06 11:59:35 gpd, http://maemo-hackers.org/dropbear-server.install Jul 06 11:59:49 inz: sweet :) Jul 06 12:00:48 4.2007.26-8 is the latest stable? Jul 06 12:01:11 #maemo:name stage.maemo.org Jul 06 12:01:11 deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free non-free Jul 06 12:01:11 #maemo:name maemo-hackers Jul 06 12:01:11 deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main Jul 06 12:01:19 eichi, I think you can read the page yourself and not keep asking the same question over and over again? Jul 06 12:05:42 sigh Jul 06 12:05:55 i guess they updated the kernel but not the version number Jul 06 12:06:20 ok. dropbear done. change passwords. edit sudoers. bla bla... tedium Jul 06 12:06:40 lol @ gpd Jul 06 12:09:26 Hi. Any Skype experts around? Jul 06 12:09:47 hooray, new n800 firmware Jul 06 12:10:02 anyone tried it yet? Jul 06 12:10:09 yes Jul 06 12:10:14 yes Jul 06 12:10:21 thoughts? Jul 06 12:10:21 Tu13es: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/736757217/ Jul 06 12:11:49 do we have a mugshot maemo group? Jul 06 12:11:52 or n800 group? Jul 06 12:12:21 Can I use the same Skype account on the tablet and on the desktop at the same time? Jul 06 12:12:26 yes Jul 06 12:13:23 * gpd takes a deep breath Jul 06 12:14:22 * Tu13es hurries to install the firmware before his work shuts down wireless for the day again Jul 06 12:15:02 * gpd confirms no video with skype: but otherwise looking good Jul 06 12:16:29 * gpd calls self on landline: good quality :D Jul 06 12:17:07 yipeee! The "new firmware for n8000" is already up on Barrapunto (a Spanish Slashdot lookalike) Jul 06 12:17:29 * gpd wants n8000 Jul 06 12:23:05 anyone familiar with CUPS on Linux or bluez-cups on Nokia N800, or bluetooth system on N800? Jul 06 12:23:52 doh Jul 06 12:24:03 just started the firmware but forgot to back up my repositories Jul 06 12:24:05 gah Jul 06 12:24:25 it happens... Jul 06 12:24:35 * gpd is just doing apt-get dselect-upgrade now Jul 06 12:24:36 oh well Jul 06 12:24:54 this whole firmware upgrade process is a 'superfaff' Jul 06 12:25:19 which terminal is the best one for n800...the xterm? Jul 06 12:25:24 superfaff ? Jul 06 12:25:52 a giant faff - ie a pain in the you know what Jul 06 12:26:12 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=faff Jul 06 12:26:35 gpd: is that UK english? Jul 06 12:26:39 ya Jul 06 12:26:42 did anyone got vpnc working on n800? Jul 06 12:26:54 vpnc worked for me, but not using it atm Jul 06 12:27:06 gpd: running via the command line? Jul 06 12:27:20 hmm but yeah, i don't see why it shouldn't work Jul 06 12:27:33 both commandline and there is a gui too Jul 06 12:27:37 nod Jul 06 12:27:41 vpngui? Jul 06 12:30:48 how can I get an account to post on planet Maemo blog? Jul 06 12:31:20 ya i wanted to ask that too. Jul 06 12:32:03 do any of the repositories change now that we have a new firmware? Jul 06 12:32:33 No Skype smiley animations... :-) Jul 06 12:32:50 I always loved the (inlove) smiley. Jul 06 12:34:05 anyone know? Jul 06 12:34:10 do they still stay as bora? Jul 06 12:34:15 Tu13es: same same Jul 06 12:34:18 kk Jul 06 12:35:15 * gpd notes complete loss of menu orgainzation upon reinstall... Jul 06 12:35:58 lunch time... bbl Jul 06 12:36:38 The ssh server doesn't work anymore? ("incompatible") Jul 06 12:36:51 dropbear-server working fine for me Jul 06 12:37:21 the set-selections tried to overwrite with openssh - but failed - so will probably stick with dropbear for now Jul 06 12:37:29 Andy80/eugene: you email Ferenc - details on the page. Jul 06 12:37:30 although it seems to ignore my .ssh/config to some extent Jul 06 12:37:47 Jaffa: what page? Jul 06 12:37:53 Andy80/eugene: or you talk to maddler about getting a new blog on http://www.maemopeople.org/ which is automatically syndicated. Jul 06 12:38:33 Andy80: Hmm, it's moved. planet@maemo.org IIRC Jul 06 12:39:01 Jaffa: ok, I'll drop him a mail, thanks :) Jul 06 12:40:34 * gpd notes loss of all paired bluetooth devices (still) Jul 06 12:40:44 anyone familiar with CUPS on Linux or bluez-cups on Nokia N800, or bluetooth system on N800? Jul 06 12:40:56 gpd: is there a bugzilla entry for that? I'd like to vote on it... Jul 06 12:41:40 I'd like to comment on a lot of things at the moment - but I should probably 'settle down' Jul 06 12:44:36 Jaffa: thanks Jul 06 12:47:22 I can confirm that ssh works fine on new firmware: both dropbear and normal ssh Jul 06 12:55:29 offtopic:http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/06/samsung-dance/ Jul 06 12:56:44 hello Jul 06 12:57:08 Could someone help me with creating a custom icon for my application in maemo? Jul 06 12:57:40 the help files I've been reading tell me to ass a XB-Maemo-Icon-26: field in the debian control file, but it won't recognize it Jul 06 12:57:55 I've made a 26x26 png file and base64 encoded it already Jul 06 12:58:50 the error message is: dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field 'Xb-Maemo-Icon-26' in input data in package's section of control info file Jul 06 12:59:52 don't suppose I can get a working diff for bora? It normally conflicts with busybox Jul 06 13:05:41 well: two hours later, I think I am done updating :) Jul 06 13:08:31 does anyone use dates to sync with google calendar? Jul 06 13:08:52 it says the latest version is .4 but i could only find .1 for maemo Jul 06 13:08:52 I tried it: but my google calendar has 'funky' .ics that causes errors :( Jul 06 13:09:02 hey inz -- i love sgt-puzzles! Jul 06 13:09:19 jpt, me too ;) Jul 06 13:09:23 how did you try to sync it? when i go to creat new calendar it is all grayed out Jul 06 13:09:25 nate12o6: we await google gears for N800... Jul 06 13:09:26 i think it's missing filling, galaxies, and unequal. and what's nullgame? Jul 06 13:09:49 gpd: which version do you have? Jul 06 13:10:03 i have n770 :( Jul 06 13:10:17 wait: you said dates, I'm thinking GPE calendar on N800 Jul 06 13:10:30 nah Jul 06 13:10:41 also, minegame doesn't seem to work quite right; the mines are already shown, and when you tap on one of the blank squares, it quits. Jul 06 13:10:42 i couldnt get gpe calendar to work eather. Jul 06 13:10:45 wont even open for me Jul 06 13:10:51 *** mines, not minegame Jul 06 13:11:03 what is the situation with google gears: i have not looked Jul 06 13:11:35 http://www.maemoapps.com/2007/05/30/google-gears-works-on-linux-but-not-the-nokia-tablet/ Jul 06 13:11:47 not supported: no .xpi extensions on N800 Jul 06 13:13:15 Mikho: where is the help file you are reading? Jul 06 13:13:23 has anyone else tried 'dates' for maemo? Jul 06 13:13:43 calendar app? Jul 06 13:14:06 yes Jul 06 13:14:07 inz: any ideas on how to get mines to work? Jul 06 13:15:12 n770 with it2007 he jpt9? Jul 06 13:15:18 yeah. Jul 06 13:15:24 this is mines in sgt-puzzles. Jul 06 13:15:43 oh that package with *tons* of puzzle games? Jul 06 13:15:57 yup. Jul 06 13:16:46 it's quite awesome. Jul 06 13:16:55 completely overflows the menu though Jul 06 13:17:05 i made a new menu for it. Jul 06 13:17:15 top-level (well, the apps menu) Jul 06 13:17:24 so now, under extras, there's an 'SGT Puzzles' menu. Jul 06 13:17:30 logical Jul 06 13:18:14 contact the author Jul 06 13:18:24 i did :-) Jul 06 13:18:41 scroll up in your IRC window :-) Jul 06 13:22:32 is there an easy way to reset a n800 to factory defaults? Jul 06 13:22:41 (delete all personal stuff) Jul 06 13:23:03 reflash the OS Jul 06 13:23:05 flash it? Jul 06 13:23:36 ok, so theres no way to do it without connecting the device to a pc Jul 06 13:23:54 not sure Jul 06 13:24:59 probably not, chrissturm Jul 06 13:25:06 ok, thanks Jul 06 13:31:46 Well I'm happy with the new flash image, opera seems more responsive Jul 06 13:32:01 * jpt9 wants hacker edition. with skype. Jul 06 13:32:23 you could always try installing it Jul 06 13:32:31 may not work, but you never know Jul 06 13:32:32 have to go soon home so I can upgrade the image :) Jul 06 13:32:47 * lardman popped home for lunch & upgrade :) Jul 06 13:36:48 I don't know whether it happened before, but the progress bar now changes speed (presumably back & forth very quickly for fast connections) Jul 06 13:37:07 or perhaps my connections were always the same speed previously :) Jul 06 13:37:25 mm... the same happened to me Jul 06 13:37:38 perhaps they have optimized the GUI application manager Jul 06 13:37:47 It used to be quite slow at times. Jul 06 13:38:01 yes, that seems faster too, esp when reloading lists Jul 06 13:38:14 would be good to not lose your place though -> bugtracker I imagine Jul 06 13:38:53 mine blows up after each package install if I select the whole list of installable applications, though. Jul 06 13:39:11 I've worked around it by checking section by section Jul 06 13:39:13 :-) Jul 06 13:39:17 the list is cleared & I'm put back at the top, which is a pita when in red pill mode Jul 06 13:39:26 true, true Jul 06 13:39:40 feels like wanting to put the whole lot of a tesco score in a little car... Jul 06 13:39:41 that's why I prefer apt-get when push comes to shove Jul 06 13:39:55 but that requires xterm first Jul 06 13:39:58 s/score/store/ Jul 06 13:39:59 melmoth meant: feels like wanting to put the whole lot of a tesco store in a little car... Jul 06 13:40:28 btw, did someone say that the ssh server didn't work on the new version? Jul 06 13:40:38 works here Jul 06 13:40:41 (and that dropbear still did, btw) Jul 06 13:40:50 What category would Application manager be under? Jul 06 13:41:05 no idea. Perhaps under "updatable applications"? Jul 06 13:41:15 It is already installed :-) Jul 06 13:41:39 N800 looks like the one Jul 06 13:41:58 morning folks.. Jul 06 13:42:34 hrm, w3m Unmet build dependencies: libgc-dev libgpmg1-dev libmoe-dev (>= 1.5.0) libgdk-pixbuf-dev Jul 06 13:43:09 I watched Transformers last night and they were like "Nokia, nasty Japanese stuff", and then someone else in the movie was like "Nokia from Finland dude..." and I was like..... wow, cool robots.... Jul 06 13:43:21 lol Jul 06 13:43:22 :-D Jul 06 13:44:04 "stupid american Transformers, not knowing where technology comes from" :-P Jul 06 13:44:16 hah Jul 06 13:44:22 nokias in transformers too? Jul 06 13:44:52 Yeah, all I gotta say is that our giant robots kick the poo out of the Japanese giant robots. That movie was sick. Jul 06 13:45:26 gla55_: Yeah, they turned a Nokia phone into a desepticon. It came alive and started blowing stuff up. Pretty cool. Jul 06 13:45:35 hah Jul 06 13:45:38 nice nice Jul 06 13:45:45 XD Jul 06 13:46:38 Right, I've added a bug for the Application Installer losing list position (#1622) Jul 06 13:51:31 Is the UI of the App Mgr improved instead of that horrible narrow list of buttons containing categories? Jul 06 13:52:44 No, same old Jul 06 13:52:48 Jaffa: doesn't seem so Jul 06 13:52:54 But feels a bit snappier Jul 06 13:53:21 The file manager is also a lot faster in scanning directories.. Jul 06 13:55:53 Hmm, has anyone installed the 3.2 SDK update I just saw? Jul 06 13:57:00 I ask as I just added a bug requestion FORTRAN support, and I suppose it may have been added already Jul 06 13:57:14 s/requestion/request for Jul 06 13:57:28 Fortran? Jul 06 13:57:58 are you intending to use the N800 as a Fortran development platform? Jul 06 13:58:06 that's unusual Jul 06 13:58:23 this is a test Jul 06 13:58:27 No, but I use Octave and other maths tools, and FORTRAN is necessary Jul 06 13:58:28 s/is a/is another/ Jul 06 13:58:30 gomiam meant: this is another test Jul 06 13:58:36 ow Jul 06 13:58:55 I didn't know Octave was able to use FORTRAN. Jul 06 13:59:10 Parts are written in FORTRAN Jul 06 13:59:34 lardman: gfortran for armel needs some work, do you want to volunteer? Jul 06 13:59:53 suihkulokki: do you have a pointer? Jul 06 14:00:39 suihkulokki: Odd that the 2.x sdks had working FORTRAN. They were also armel weren't they? Jul 06 14:01:03 * lardman is getting tired of capitals Jul 06 14:01:17 lardman: basicly gfortran-4.2 compiles fine, but for example the compiled refblas3 testsuite reports errors Jul 06 14:01:45 lardman: old maemo ports where based on arm, while new ones have armel Jul 06 14:02:05 suihkulokki: Oh. Which list should I look at for some background. Not sure I'll have the time/any clue as to how to fix, but will take a look Jul 06 14:03:10 I also thought the exact same toolchain was used for 2.x and 3.0 Jul 06 14:03:58 I've also been using the 2.x toolchain to successfully create binaries for my N800, but perhaps that will soon end Jul 06 14:04:30 lardman: I don't have pointers right here with me, I think it has only been discussed on #debian-arm@irc.debian.org, I'll pick them up later Jul 06 14:04:47 suihkulokki: Okay thanks, I'll do some googling later on Jul 06 14:05:13 anyone built fuse for bora and have a .deb handy? Jul 06 14:08:31 jpt, you can't play all the games, it was just a quick hack to get at least some of them working Jul 06 14:08:40 jpt, the ones that need right button don't work Jul 06 14:09:45 Newbie question: Is it possible to upgrade to the newly-released ITOS without reinstalling all apps? Or does installing (reflashing?) involve wiping the internal memory? Jul 06 14:10:46 gpd: i think so Jul 06 14:11:40 Sho, not all the packages are available in repositories Jul 06 14:12:07 Sho, so short answer is no, you cannot upgrade without reinstalling apps Jul 06 14:12:27 So it's a wipe and a reinstall session, hmkay Jul 06 14:13:10 Long answer: it is technically possible to create debian packages from installed files, but that would be unreliable at best Jul 06 14:13:33 anybody in? Jul 06 14:13:40 no Jul 06 14:13:54 Why should one be in, then you have a cool cadget to IRC with Jul 06 14:14:03 s/then/when/ Jul 06 14:14:03 inz meant: Why should one be in, when you have a cool cadget to IRC with Jul 06 14:14:03 inz: But the new upgrade is ABI compatible, I assume? Jul 06 14:14:30 hey I have been doing a lot of reserch and have yet to find a how to on properly installing metasploit and ideas or links? Jul 06 14:14:36 n770 Jul 06 14:15:09 Sho, at least all the packages (that I know of) from the old "boras" work in the new one Jul 06 14:15:53 Time to backup some stuff from my home dir and /usr/local and write down what apps I have to (re-)install, then ... Jul 06 14:16:29 Sho_ don't write them down Jul 06 14:16:36 if you have xterm installed Jul 06 14:16:44 and are able to sudo gainroot Jul 06 14:16:58 you can dpkg --get-selections >/media/mmc1/selections Jul 06 14:17:00 Frankly I ssh to localhost to gain root, that appeared to be the easiest way ;) Jul 06 14:17:09 Sho_: ok, it works that way too Jul 06 14:17:27 then you'll need to reinstall xterm and becomeroot Jul 06 14:17:44 and do a dpkg --get-selections :-) Jul 06 14:17:57 ouch Jul 06 14:18:05 s/--get/--set/ Jul 06 14:18:11 ! Jul 06 14:18:20 and do a dpkg --set-selections It's a bit of a shame that they don't have a better upgrade process, though Jul 06 14:18:31 well, you use what you have :-) Jul 06 14:18:47 it would be much better if they had an apt-get dist-upgrade way Jul 06 14:18:49 but they don't Jul 06 14:18:52 magic:sys is getting towards the apt-get upgrade the whole device. Jul 06 14:19:02 c.f. Ubuntu's ubuntu-desktop meta-package. Jul 06 14:19:19 Thankfully my device is fairly new - if I had a more refined setup already, recreating everything for an upgrade would suck majorly Jul 06 14:19:35 Jaffa: mmm... well... I just reflashed, and checked whether there were updatable apps Jul 06 14:19:40 and it found a few :-D Jul 06 14:19:49 Sho_: you have made a backup, right? Jul 06 14:20:00 gomiam: Not yet. What does it backup? $HOME? Jul 06 14:20:02 it will save most of your configuration information. Jul 06 14:20:24 you may lose the ssh keys and things like that Jul 06 14:20:27 but little more. Jul 06 14:20:47 of course, I have no personal data on the N800 flash. I put everything on the SD cards Jul 06 14:20:54 s/ on / in / Jul 06 14:20:54 gomiam meant: of course, I have no personal data in the N800 flash. I put everything on the SD cards Jul 06 14:21:12 s/ on / in /g Jul 06 14:21:14 gomiam meant: of course, I have no personal data in the N800 flash. I put everything in the SD cards Jul 06 14:21:15 Well, lots of apps store their junk in dotdirs in $HOME on the internal flash by default .. Jul 06 14:21:21 yup Jul 06 14:21:31 I suppose I could start symlinking like mad Jul 06 14:21:38 you may want to zip -r /media/mmc1/user.zip . Jul 06 14:21:44 and then reflash Jul 06 14:22:45 * Sho_ hopes his cifs.ko will still work with the new kernel Jul 06 14:25:10 btw you can save a few MB off root by deleting themes and media files Jul 06 14:25:30 ..and docs Jul 06 14:25:38 true, true Jul 06 14:25:46 I deleted all the user manuals for languages I'm unable to read anyway ;) Jul 06 14:25:47 I'll do it right now Jul 06 14:28:47 once more and I will leave you guys alone.......anybody here mess with METASPLOIT on the n770? Jul 06 14:31:06 just kismet Jul 06 14:31:24 thanks pupnik I got it installed today Jul 06 14:31:28 wow, Mapper didn't like the reflash Jul 06 14:31:46 later guys got to get back to work Jul 06 14:32:23 cu Jul 06 14:32:34 anyone familiar with bluez-* utils or usage of bluetooth on Nokia N800 in general? Jul 06 14:32:48 not me Jul 06 14:34:15 what was your question, anyway? Jul 06 14:42:57 ok, I actually managed to install the icons Jul 06 14:43:44 but now there's a problem that if I dpkg -r my application, it doesn't remove the .desktop file it installed when installing it with dpkg -i Jul 06 14:45:15 just wanted to try printing via bluetooth but don't know whether existing libs support at least sendind raw data to a printer Jul 06 14:45:59 Mikho, does it go if you --purge? Jul 06 14:46:12 nope Jul 06 14:46:46 isn't it enough to make it install and deinstall automatically by placing it in EXTRA_DIST section in automake.am? Jul 06 14:52:42 It shouldn't matter how it's installed, dpkg -r should remove all (non-configuration) files contained in the package Jul 06 14:53:09 Only if the file is created by .postinst, would it make sense it is not removed Jul 06 14:57:04 libsdl-net is http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb Jul 06 14:57:10 libsdl-net? Jul 06 14:57:11 <_Monkey> libsdl-net is probably http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html Jul 06 14:57:16 grr Jul 06 14:58:57 hi... i'm running os2007 HE on my new 770 (woot edition) and am noticing an issue with RAM on it... In the Memory app within the control panel, it only shows Device and Removable memory... For the internal memory card it says "no memory card inserted" . Real bug? Is that RAM really not accessible under OS2007-HE ? Jul 06 14:59:19 thanks, that was the point exactly. It was created by postinst Jul 06 15:00:04 Same here egsavage Jul 06 15:00:08 egsavage: 770 has no internal memory card Jul 06 15:00:16 800 does Jul 06 15:00:17 the n800 has an internal and removable Jul 06 15:00:18 it's probably that Jul 06 15:00:18 right Jul 06 15:00:28 i wonder how the .link file works Jul 06 15:00:33 so it's the missing memory card, which doesn't exist on 770 Jul 06 15:00:42 hmm, i swear i saw something down for that card in os2006 Jul 06 15:01:08 i'm an obvious newbie of course ;-) Jul 06 15:01:10 egsavage: remember that os2007 was written for the n800 and still has some rough edges on the 770 Jul 06 15:01:41 hello Jul 06 15:02:00 the naming is a bit unfortunate -- the "internal" and the "removable" cards on the n800 are both removable, it's just slightly easier to get to the "removable" one Jul 06 15:02:20 i'm having a problem with the instructions on this page: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ cause i think http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/t/tar/tar_1.14-2.1osso_armel.deb this file is missing Jul 06 15:02:22 was echo123 the Skype call testing service ? Jul 06 15:02:33 specifically this command: apt-get -d install tar Jul 06 15:02:40 also noticing I can't seem to delete files on the removable card from within the 770's file manager Jul 06 15:03:37 says "Operation failed" Jul 06 15:04:29 anyone know whats up? Jul 06 15:04:39 or where i could get help Jul 06 15:06:14 Interesting: Laika - eclipse IDE for maemo development http://www.cs.tut.fi/~laika/index.shtml Jul 06 15:06:38 hi phsabo Jul 06 15:06:44 pupnik: nice, i use eclipse Jul 06 15:06:55 asm gurus, anyone have a page listing idiomatic sequences? Jul 06 15:06:56 hey pupnik Jul 06 15:07:34 phsabo: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.2/free/t/tar/tar_1.14-2.1osso_armel.deb Jul 06 15:08:15 * pupnik hands the channel asm guru crown and sceptre to lardman Jul 06 15:08:20 how would i get that to work with apt-get -d install tar Jul 06 15:08:43 pupnik: Damn, that means I need to try to answer my own questions! Jul 06 15:09:04 :/ Jul 06 15:09:15 phsabo, you should have a tar in your repository list Jul 06 15:09:30 well i do but it points to that dead link Jul 06 15:09:31 apt-cache search tar |grep ^tar will show you Jul 06 15:09:50 hmm Jul 06 15:09:57 can someone lend me a hand updating my N800... running flasher 3 -f updatefile gives me a white screen with the Nokia logo but nothing seems to be happening Jul 06 15:10:08 its wierd cause it worked a couple days ago Jul 06 15:10:18 but i was redoing it to configure it differently, and now its gone Jul 06 15:10:57 you can download the deb manually and install with application manager Jul 06 15:11:04 or fix your dependencies Jul 06 15:11:12 i mean your sources Jul 06 15:11:18 how would i fix my sources? Jul 06 15:11:33 cause they dont install it in the instructions, just download it for some reason Jul 06 15:11:47 OgMaciel: does the flasher say something? Jul 06 15:11:58 i am guessing that you need a full version of tar and not the busybox version Jul 06 15:12:06 but i don't know Jul 06 15:12:12 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ Jul 06 15:12:15 whatever i need to do that Jul 06 15:12:18 OgMaciel: did you get a green progressbar at the bottom that went on for 30 seconds and is now gone? Jul 06 15:12:20 mgedmin: USB device found found at bus 005, device address 008 Jul 06 15:12:20 Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 Jul 06 15:12:20 NOLO version 1.1.3 Jul 06 15:12:20 Version of 'sw-release': Jul 06 15:12:41 oh, wait Jul 06 15:12:44 mgedmin: not really Jul 06 15:12:56 OgMaciel: That coming from the flasher? Jul 06 15:12:58 OgMaciel: you're supposed to use flasher-3.0 -f -F updatefile Jul 06 15:13:09 or, for extra convenience, flasher-3.0 -f -F updatefile -R Jul 06 15:13:09 mgedmin: -f -F? Jul 06 15:13:19 * OgMaciel tries Jul 06 15:13:20 -f tells it to flash; -F file tells it what to flash Jul 06 15:13:27 hummmm Jul 06 15:13:34 -R tells it to reboot afterwards Jul 06 15:13:44 and --help tells you all of that Jul 06 15:13:45 phsabo: you must have an old it2006 if it is trying to get the 2.0 tree Jul 06 15:13:53 without -R you'd get a white screen and the N800 would wait for you to run flasher again with other commands (like setting R&D mode etc.) Jul 06 15:14:05 phsabo: i would edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change scirocco to mistral Jul 06 15:14:24 oh but first you can try apt-get update Jul 06 15:15:36 trying the update Jul 06 15:16:57 mgedmin: definitely did something this time around... but it didn't reboot... will turn it on in a sec Jul 06 15:17:06 * OgMaciel will brb Jul 06 15:17:32 still a 440 after the update Jul 06 15:17:44 yes, when I flashed today with -R, it didn't reboot, it powered itself off Jul 06 15:17:54 still pointing to the maemo2.0 directory in po9ol Jul 06 15:17:58 pool* Jul 06 15:19:24 how would i do this: "i would edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change scirocco to mistral " Jul 06 15:19:59 also, i have the newest os2006 Jul 06 15:29:50 nm got it, thanks Jul 06 15:36:29 hmm, i installed rhapsody on the 770 and when I tried to start it, it told me it's for the N800 and shutdown! :-( Jul 06 15:36:46 that was on os2007-he Jul 06 15:48:46 for the 770, is the best deal for RAM this card @ newegg? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134119 Jul 06 15:51:23 hi Jul 06 15:51:51 what is maemo and what can i use it for? any examples? Jul 06 15:52:29 well, almost anything Jul 06 15:52:39 you can use it to record or stream live video Jul 06 15:53:07 you can use it for WiFI/Bluetooth connectivity, with several mail/IM/VoIP applications Jul 06 15:53:09 http://maemo.org/intro/ Jul 06 15:53:32 it supports Bluetooth GPS devices and has applications to work with them Jul 06 15:53:50 consider it a small-form-factor UMPC :-) Jul 06 15:54:01 because it mostly is Jul 06 15:54:06 and sometimes a new firmware is released....as in tooodayyy ) Jul 06 15:55:04 argh, maybe one day I will understand how counting goes in Go. Jul 06 15:59:25 now this is weird. My dpkg -i installs the .desktop file successfully in /usr/share/applications/hildon, and the newly installed program shows up in the start menu in maemo even though there is no link to it in /etc/others-menu Jul 06 15:59:46 and I have no clue how to automatically generate the link file anyway Jul 06 16:00:04 hrrm Jul 06 16:00:16 the start page setting in the browser doesn't work anymore with the new firmware Jul 06 16:00:43 can i use maemo to create desklets for my gnome desktop? Jul 06 16:01:48 slicky_, i doubt it..There is no gnome desktop in maemo Jul 06 16:02:00 it s targeted at tablet devices. Jul 06 16:02:10 and the desktop is hildon. Jul 06 16:02:26 most of the stuff are gtk based so if you are familiar with gnome apps, you will feel at home Jul 06 16:03:10 but it s not designed to be used on your desktop...Well, may be you want to look at hildon itself, that can be used as a desktop on ...dekstop machine Jul 06 16:04:06 Mikho, the others-menu stuff is long gone, it's not used for anything anymore Jul 06 16:04:26 ok, good Jul 06 16:04:41 it seems the tutorial is outdated Jul 06 16:05:11 so it's enough if the .desktop file is in place, excellent Jul 06 16:06:00 Does anyone have experience with Laika (eclipse plugin for developing for scratchbox)? Jul 06 16:17:17 i just got around to seeing the new os2007 for the n800 is out... i'm guess most if not all of the new features will never make it to os2007-he for the 770? Jul 06 16:31:57 hi dudes Jul 06 16:32:12 Yo. Jul 06 16:32:15 have someone the udhcpc.script file Jul 06 16:32:20 i need it ^^ Jul 06 16:32:34 Not familiar with it. Jul 06 16:32:34 is in the folder /etc/udhcpc Jul 06 16:32:43 i overwrite it :( Jul 06 16:33:21 I can look in a few if nobody else has it. My device isn't nearby. Jul 06 16:33:29 ohh. :/ Jul 06 16:33:47 em-c: hold on a minute. I'll try and upload it somewhere. Jul 06 16:33:51 hi all, anybody from Russia? Jul 06 16:34:08 ohh, that's nice Jul 06 16:34:12 nope Jul 06 16:34:18 Nyet. Jul 06 16:34:24 ^^ Jul 06 16:34:50 have someone experiance with the udhcpc tool? Jul 06 16:35:10 I want to know how and where buy n800 in Russia throught Internet or something else =( Jul 06 16:35:25 ebay? Jul 06 16:35:44 no Jul 06 16:36:08 over the nokia website Jul 06 16:36:19 only for Moscow Jul 06 16:36:31 hmpf Jul 06 16:36:35 where do u live? Jul 06 16:36:44 Rostov-on-Don Jul 06 16:37:07 i have no idea Jul 06 16:37:08 sry Jul 06 16:37:12 only ebay or nokia Jul 06 16:37:35 =( ok....will thinking Jul 06 16:37:56 what money I can use in ebay? Jul 06 16:38:14 whatever the seller is willing to take Jul 06 16:38:22 and whatever you trust the seller with Jul 06 16:38:31 paypal? Jul 06 16:38:38 hrhr: or you can take a nice overnight train to helsinki and buy it here =) Jul 06 16:38:42 no paypal in Russia Jul 06 16:38:55 suihkulokki: lol Jul 06 16:38:59 ^^ Jul 06 16:39:03 nice road trip Jul 06 16:39:23 suihkulokki: road+n800=2*n800 Jul 06 16:39:36 but u have the device Jul 06 16:39:43 and may be more Jul 06 16:39:45 another possibility? Jul 06 16:39:51 no this way Jul 06 16:39:56 or combine with a holiday trip Jul 06 16:40:44 how mutch shipping from helsinki to Rostov with DHL? Jul 06 16:41:13 what companies ships n800 to Russia from Europe? Jul 06 16:42:07 i dunno Jul 06 16:42:12 check google?!? ^^ Jul 06 16:42:37 I've expensive gprs traffic for googling Jul 06 16:42:37 =( Jul 06 16:42:40 sorry Jul 06 16:42:55 that sucks Jul 06 16:43:30 no possibilities in the ukraina? Jul 06 16:44:16 gomiam, have u upload the file? Jul 06 16:44:38 ops,em-c, where in ukraine I can buy it? Jul 06 16:44:43 yes, but I must have messed something up Jul 06 16:44:52 I can access it through the web Jul 06 16:44:55 hold on a minute Jul 06 16:45:04 ok, i thought you have forget me ^^ Jul 06 16:45:14 i think in kiew? Jul 06 16:45:59 or ask a big electronic shop for order it Jul 06 16:47:40 http://tadrus.etsiiaa.uva.es/~admin/udhcpc.script Jul 06 16:47:46 download that link, em-c Jul 06 16:48:10 and tell when you get it. Jul 06 16:48:29 hm. how can I re-flash my 770 if it keeps crashing on boot repeatedly? Jul 06 16:48:49 does it crash when you start the flash procedure too? Jul 06 16:49:20 yes, it seems to be Jul 06 16:49:45 I guess you have followed the procedure to the letter: connect N770 to USB and computer Jul 06 16:49:47 I can't ssh in... Jul 06 16:49:51 press home button Jul 06 16:49:57 press start button Jul 06 16:49:57 thank u gomiam Jul 06 16:50:09 and let go from both when the USB icon shows on the upper-right corner Jul 06 16:50:09 i download it Jul 06 16:50:13 is that correct, Brian? Jul 06 16:50:19 you are welcome, em-c Jul 06 16:50:32 gomiam: damn it, I forgot the button sequence. sorry, I'll do that. Jul 06 16:50:37 no problem Jul 06 16:50:46 I had the same problem a couple of hours ago Jul 06 16:51:10 so, what's the best way to stream music to my n800? I like rhapsody from what i've tried but paying is bad Jul 06 16:51:21 well Jul 06 16:51:28 well, you can have a stream service on some PC at home Jul 06 16:51:28 you could run a shoutcast server? Jul 06 16:51:59 hmm Jul 06 16:52:10 thats the easiest Jul 06 16:52:13 I guess I'd like something that's fast and has a good UI Jul 06 16:52:20 shoutcast server.. that you can control over winamp Jul 06 16:52:23 myself, I'm more into dumping the files I like into a memory card :-D Jul 06 16:52:24 I have a mp3tunes account but their client blows Jul 06 16:52:33 err Jul 06 16:52:35 not winamp Jul 06 16:52:37 but over http Jul 06 16:52:52 2GB is quite a bit to store MP3 files in Jul 06 16:53:00 the thing is that i have a shoutcast server on my winamp and a web interface to the winamp itself Jul 06 16:53:06 ah Jul 06 16:53:28 hrm Jul 06 16:53:30 what about Orb? Jul 06 16:53:34 I used that a while ago for TV stuffs Jul 06 16:53:49 should work Jul 06 16:53:55 gomiam: whew, thanks, that seems to have set it up right. Jul 06 16:55:18 ah, crap, Orb is windoze only Jul 06 16:56:04 any other suggestions? Jul 06 16:56:06 you are welcome Jul 06 17:03:56 gomian, was the script from the n800? Jul 06 17:04:05 mmm... yes Jul 06 17:04:09 k Jul 06 17:04:10 are you using an N770? Jul 06 17:04:21 Is there a way to disable the "If the software is not obtained from Nokia, Nokia is unable to guarantee that..." prompt? Jul 06 17:04:21 no Jul 06 17:04:24 800 Jul 06 17:04:35 sooth... don't worry about it :-) Jul 06 17:05:09 sooth, sure there's a way to disable it, 1) get source, 2) modify source, 3) compile, 4) install Jul 06 17:05:56 sooth, the source is here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/osso-application-installer_4.46.tar.gz Jul 06 17:06:15 That's just silly Jul 06 17:06:52 What do developers do? Jul 06 17:07:43 Use dpkg? Jul 06 17:08:11 Flash 9 plugin for the N800... Who do I have to bribe to get it for the 770? Jul 06 17:09:17 * k-s[WORK] is away: Lunch... Jul 06 17:09:25 joshin, I'd guess they're taking advantage of the fpu in n800 which makes it incompatible on 770 Jul 06 17:09:33 joshin, so, you'd have to bribe adobe ;) Jul 06 17:09:45 Yup, or save my bribe money for a N800. Jul 06 17:09:50 Alright, what about removing the Rhapsody icon from 'Favorites'? Is anyone else having a problem with this? Jul 06 17:10:10 <`0660> has anyone else noticed problems with the id3 parsing in media player? Jul 06 17:10:14 The 'Delete' button is grayed out for me in the 'Organize favorites' Jul 06 17:10:19 mmm... you should be able to move it from there quite easily: go to the contorl panel and look at the navigation option Jul 06 17:10:23 ow Jul 06 17:10:25 really? Jul 06 17:10:31 Doh. I meant to ask k-s[AWAY_WORK] something and now I've missed him. Jul 06 17:11:53 gomiam: Yeah. Maybe I will try to install it and then remove it. Otherwise, in what file is the menu stored/ Jul 06 17:11:54 ? Jul 06 17:13:32 no idea, right no. Jul 06 17:13:43 s/no\./now./ Jul 06 17:13:54 right now Jul 06 17:16:29 Is there anyway to search just the maemo wiki? After the redesign I can't find anything. Jul 06 17:22:57 uh.. this release is many times better than the original version, opera much faster, touchscreen more usable etc Jul 06 17:23:52 fatal-: which release? Jul 06 17:27:55 if I'll buy n800 in german, can I use it on Russian language or I need relash? Jul 06 17:29:52 have n800 russian out of the box? Jul 06 17:29:55 <`0660> i think they all have the same languages Jul 06 17:30:09 /relash/reflash/ Jul 06 17:30:30 <`0660> there is at least something that looks like russian in the language drop down list :) Jul 06 17:30:49 <`0660> Pyccknn? Jul 06 17:31:00 yes=) Jul 06 17:31:10 <`0660> and well Jul 06 17:31:15 <`0660> not that i think about it Jul 06 17:31:21 it's great, thx Jul 06 17:31:23 <`0660> there's only one image anyway Jul 06 17:31:25 howdy, anyone here an admin of repository.maemo.org Jul 06 17:31:30 <`0660> so it will be supported Jul 06 17:31:31 http://web.hoh.de/hoh/(S(fhcvme55nd14qd45rtnhj345))/default.aspx?TY=item&ST=1&IT=26634&CT=1220&SC=&VL=&MV= Jul 06 17:31:34 ? Jul 06 17:31:35 ssh appears to have disappeared :( Jul 06 17:31:46 <`0660> works for me Jul 06 17:31:49 <`0660> or do you mean openssh? Jul 06 17:31:50 what do you think about that price? Jul 06 17:31:58 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso4_armel.deb Jul 06 17:32:07 <`0660> i think it's cheap Jul 06 17:32:10 yeah i'm trying to install something that depends on openssh Jul 06 17:32:16 <`0660> :/ Jul 06 17:32:47 it was there last night :( I had to reflash this morning and now it's not happy w/out openssh Jul 06 17:33:50 <`0660> maybe it should depend on dropbear :) Jul 06 17:34:12 hmm, what's the right flasher for intel mac and n800 ? Jul 06 17:34:16 dmz, the maemo2.0 seems to be broken Jul 06 17:34:25 dmz, if you use mistral instead, it most likely works Jul 06 17:35:06 well.. the move to mmc was ok Jul 06 17:35:12 and it's still stable Jul 06 17:35:13 ish Jul 06 17:37:34 worth a try :) Jul 06 17:40:25 tko, does 0xFFFF work on MAC SUX? Jul 06 17:40:41 s/MAC/Mac/ Jul 06 17:40:41 inz meant: tko, does 0xFFFF work on Mac SUX? Jul 06 17:41:14 inz: no idea, I haven't really tried any flasher yet.. and yes I was thinking of (unsigned short)-1 too Jul 06 17:41:33 actually mistral is also borked :( oh well other places to find them :) Jul 06 17:42:33 hmm Jul 06 17:42:46 what's the program called? openssh? Jul 06 17:44:32 dmz: u there? Jul 06 17:48:13 ... Jul 06 17:48:57 mistral does seem borked :/ Jul 06 17:56:13 wierd Jul 06 17:56:16 i got ssh just fine Jul 06 17:56:28 lol nvm Jul 06 17:56:33 404 404 404 404 Jul 06 18:00:39 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/o/openssh/ssh_3.8p1-3osso4_armel.deb <-- manual install? gonna try it Jul 06 18:01:26 hmm, anyone tried maemo mapper on the new IT2007 image? Jul 06 18:01:54 nope.. got a 770 Jul 06 18:02:06 no new image for me Jul 06 18:02:48 I don't get it. It nags at me 'unsupported file format'. Fine I think, the usual sqlite hassle. make a new db, that works and checks out as SQLite 3.x database. dump the old db, use sqlite3 on the dektop to create a new one, mapper still nages Jul 06 18:02:55 s/nages/nags/ Jul 06 18:02:55 pcfe meant: I don't get it. It nags at me 'unsupported file format'. Fine I think, the usual sqlite hassle. make a new db, that works and checks out as SQLite 3.x database. dump the old db, use sqlite3 on the dektop to create a new one, mapper still nags Jul 06 18:03:41 maemo mappers worked here after the reflash Jul 06 18:04:00 just had to re tell where i store the maps. Jul 06 18:04:02 melmoth: and you did have a POI database that you created prior to the reflash? Jul 06 18:04:14 hmmm. I had some restaurant .... Jul 06 18:04:20 let me check if they are still there Jul 06 18:04:20 as in, you did have POIs you defined yourself and they still work? Jul 06 18:05:18 grumble Jul 06 18:05:22 where am i going to eat now ? :) Jul 06 18:05:23 <`0660> pcfe, work perfectly with me Jul 06 18:05:35 <`0660> but i didn't have POI's defined :) Jul 06 18:05:59 oh Jul 06 18:06:02 oh the rest of mapper works just fine. But I want to keep my POIs Jul 06 18:06:05 the poi database is not pointing to the old place Jul 06 18:06:08 let change that Jul 06 18:06:45 which filesystems can the n800 with maemo use? Jul 06 18:06:54 here they are Jul 06 18:07:20 pcfe i have them back once i tell where is the poi db located Jul 06 18:08:25 melmoth: aha, that's good news. So now I have to see if it's the fact that I have multi-line descriptions or some Umlauts/accents or it dislikes something about my desktop machines sqlite3 (as I transformed that db from the sqlite 2 format to the 3 format a while ago, albeit under the old image that converted db worked just fine) Jul 06 18:09:00 btw, is there a GUI for SQLite on the N800? Jul 06 18:09:08 good luck :) Jul 06 18:09:20 melmoth: oh, one more question, do you have custom icons for your POI? Jul 06 18:09:36 nope, just the regular ugly square Jul 06 18:10:40 melmoth: OK, so one more thing I need to test (I do have custom icons) Jul 06 18:11:31 i'm rather happy with the reflash..The only stuff i have to re do manually (except program installation) is the fm radio station tuner setting Jul 06 18:11:40 i dont get why it s not stored in ~/ Jul 06 18:12:51 argl, got it. It does not understand the format my desktop box outputs with sqlite3 :-( Jul 06 18:12:53 damn Jul 06 18:14:00 melmoth: my backup kept my FM stations Jul 06 18:14:11 interesting, isn't it? Jul 06 18:14:23 hmmm Jul 06 18:14:50 i just reflash and untarr back a /home/user tarball i made recently . Jul 06 18:14:53 FWIW: my FM radio stations also are back after restoring the pre-update backup Jul 06 18:15:40 ow, melmoth, didn't you use the backup tool? Jul 06 18:15:47 i dont rememebr if i reinstalled the radio before or after backup reinjection... Jul 06 18:15:52 backup tool ? Jul 06 18:15:54 backup tool ? Jul 06 18:16:01 rsync over ssh is my backup tool :) Jul 06 18:16:05 yes, in the control panel there is one Jul 06 18:16:10 i never try it Jul 06 18:16:17 does it ...actually works ? Jul 06 18:16:22 with a linux desktop ? Jul 06 18:16:22 ah, I learned to use it after my first reflash :-) Jul 06 18:16:39 mmm... I just dumped the backup file on a SD card Jul 06 18:18:11 just someone check my sanity please. "sqlite3 ~/Desktop/poi-test.db .dump | sqlite3 ~/Desktop/banana.db" and poi-test being a POI db I created on the N800 just now with some test point and that works, but when writing back to the N800 mapper cannot read banana, then there is something it does not like about my desktops sqlite3. Or did I do some silly typo. Jul 06 18:18:34 Anybody have a good/complete sources.list for N800? Jul 06 18:19:07 why does everyone ask when i don't have the page up? Jul 06 18:19:13 no idea, soothsayer. You may want mine, just in case :-) Jul 06 18:19:27 http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php?lang=en Jul 06 18:19:46 put em in by hand, like a REAL MAN Jul 06 18:19:50 lol Jul 06 18:19:57 Trencher: my hero :-D Jul 06 18:20:06 which filesystems can the n800 with maemo use? Jul 06 18:20:21 iono.. Jul 06 18:20:25 linux, fat? Jul 06 18:20:32 well..Time to test this new restaurant .... Jul 06 18:20:35 natively... jffs and vfat Jul 06 18:20:42 there's a module for ext2 support too Jul 06 18:20:42 Thanks Trencher. Is there an actual sources.list there though? Jul 06 18:20:47 nope Jul 06 18:20:57 soothsayer: hold on, I'll try to DCC you mine Jul 06 18:20:58 i thought that ext3 was supported natively Jul 06 18:20:58 you could type one up Jul 06 18:21:00 from that Jul 06 18:21:06 then transfer it Jul 06 18:21:10 it's a pretty simple format Jul 06 18:21:29 trying to send... Jul 06 18:21:31 Trencher: Yeah I know. I use it often Jul 06 18:22:10 did the DCC attempt reach you, soothsayer? Jul 06 18:22:20 gomiam: Nope Jul 06 18:22:31 oh, my bad. Sorry Jul 06 18:23:53 trying again... Jul 06 18:24:01 Trencher: It would just be a lot easier to have one that is already made, which I can edit to my liking Jul 06 18:24:20 gomiam: I'm not seeing anything on my end Jul 06 18:24:23 ok Jul 06 18:24:32 I'll /query you and dump it there :-) Jul 06 18:24:33 i can format the ones from that page.. it's REALLY simple Jul 06 18:25:18 It would be nice if you added an 'export as sources.list' feature :) Jul 06 18:25:48 cp /etc/apt/source.list /media/mmc1/ Jul 06 18:25:57 thats it ^^ Jul 06 18:26:36 heh, flood kick Jul 06 18:26:47 /dcc chat soothsayer Jul 06 18:26:49 ouch Jul 06 18:27:19 I C WUT U DID THAR Jul 06 18:27:31 there used to be some site that allowed you to paste a bit of text for others to see Jul 06 18:27:37 do you remember its name? Jul 06 18:27:38 pastebin.ca Jul 06 18:27:38 gomiam: pastebin.ca Jul 06 18:27:48 Xenon3DN: Damn you're quick Jul 06 18:27:56 thanks :-D Jul 06 18:28:00 ;) Jul 06 18:28:11 I am a fount of trivial information. Jul 06 18:28:28 A VERITABLE FOUNT Jul 06 18:28:30 http://pastebin.ca/606195 Jul 06 18:28:32 there it is Jul 06 18:28:41 gomiam: Thanks. Jul 06 18:28:46 you are welcome Jul 06 18:28:50 you may want to prune it a bit Jul 06 18:29:14 since I consistently add all architecture branches (mistral, scirocco, gregale, bora) Jul 06 18:29:31 gomiam: Yeah, I'll definitely do at least some tweaking Jul 06 18:29:36 :-D Jul 06 18:29:38 good Jul 06 18:37:50 :( Jul 06 18:37:54 need adduser and debconf Jul 06 18:41:23 o well.. forget ssh Jul 06 18:43:47 Trencher: what do you need adduser and debconf for? Jul 06 18:44:02 openssh Jul 06 18:44:25 i dled the package manually, and tried installing it while in red pill mode Jul 06 18:44:30 and it said it needs those Jul 06 18:44:33 ! Jul 06 18:44:33 but i can't find them Jul 06 18:44:52 I had a reference to that in my list Jul 06 18:44:54 let me check Jul 06 18:45:18 can you find openssh-installer? Jul 06 18:48:02 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. Jul 06 18:48:14 He's back. Jul 06 18:48:42 Xenon3DN: what's up? Jul 06 18:48:42 :-) Jul 06 18:49:19 i'll try that Jul 06 18:49:32 I tried reading the canola.db with sqlite3, but when I do a .tables to see what I have, it insists that it's either an encrypted database, or not a database file. Any insight there? Jul 06 18:49:59 I don't know which is the repository, Trencher Jul 06 18:50:33 btw, has anybody had any success with the aircrack-ng package? Jul 06 18:50:37 i got it Jul 06 18:50:54 and no Jul 06 18:50:58 I can install and sniff... but I'm apparently unable to replay or things like that. Jul 06 18:51:43 gomiam: I tried it on the 770 and it "worked" i could log/monitor packets Jul 06 18:52:01 keesj: yes, I know that part seems to work ok Jul 06 18:52:10 the replay attacks are the problem Jul 06 18:52:19 I can't get my mind around the instructions I have found. Jul 06 18:52:28 Xenon3DN: join #canola Jul 06 18:53:14 gomiam: By 'replay' do you mean the packet injection? Jul 06 18:53:24 yup Jul 06 18:53:31 the program use is aireplay Jul 06 18:53:46 Ok. Be there in a sec, k-s. Jul 06 18:54:06 s/use/used/ Jul 06 18:54:06 gomiam meant: the program used is aireplay Jul 06 18:54:54 gomiam: Are you sure your network card is supported? The one on my laptop isn't. Jul 06 18:55:12 lol laptop? Jul 06 18:55:20 aircrack-ng for 770 Jul 06 18:55:21 woot Jul 06 18:55:33 mmm... well, I don't know. But since it's Linux I would expect it to work Jul 06 18:55:59 and I suppose Nokia put a complete driver for the wifi card Jul 06 18:56:00 Trencher: aircrack-ng wasn't originally written for the N770, it was ported. Jul 06 18:56:23 gomiam: You're trying on your N800/770? Jul 06 18:56:26 i know Jul 06 18:56:31 soothsayer: of course :-D Jul 06 18:56:34 anyone recommend a good rss reader for the N800? Jul 06 18:56:39 where's the fun otherwise? Jul 06 18:56:45 i have it on my lappy.. works great for pulling keys off people's comps Jul 06 18:56:52 so they can write them down or something Jul 06 18:57:20 OgMaciel: They are all crap as far as I'm concerned. Whenever I get around to it I'm just going to email my feeds. Jul 06 18:57:47 OgMaciel: You can try Tokash's interface to Google reader if an 'online' reader is okay Jul 06 18:58:00 soothsayer: hummm... thanks for the tip Jul 06 18:58:05 OgMaciel: the included one works well enough for me Jul 06 18:58:25 gomiam: it crashes for me whenever it tries to update a second feed Jul 06 18:58:30 (except that it tries to update whenever I connect to the Internet) Jul 06 18:58:35 true Jul 06 18:58:38 OgMaciel: which are your feeds? Jul 06 18:58:54 I currently have just three or four. Jul 06 18:59:02 OgMaciel: Try validating the feeds to make sure they are well-formed. Jul 06 19:00:16 soothsayer: good point Jul 06 19:00:33 I've added planet.gnome.org and planet.ubuntu.com Jul 06 19:00:56 it crashes when it tries to validate anything but p.g.o Jul 06 19:01:47 please paste the planet.gnome.org RSS feed Jul 06 19:02:02 k Jul 06 19:02:03 and the planet.ubuntu.org Jul 06 19:02:21 I'm lazy and don't want to look them up :-P Jul 06 19:02:48 hey guys, is it possible to run the new firmware for the n800 on a 770 some how? Jul 06 19:02:55 http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplanet.gnome.org Jul 06 19:03:12 fdsd there's a project to port IT OS 2007 to N770 Jul 06 19:03:23 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ Jul 06 19:03:27 check there Jul 06 19:03:31 There is no such thing as planet.ubuntu.org Jul 06 19:03:33 thanks Jul 06 19:03:38 gomiam: http://planet.gnome.org/rss20.xml Jul 06 19:03:41 seeing as the new os just came out Jul 06 19:03:46 gomiam: http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/rss20.xml Jul 06 19:03:49 give it a while for them to update 2007he Jul 06 19:04:04 badmonkey? Jul 06 19:04:04 Trencher, do you know if it works well on the 770? Jul 06 19:04:11 bad monkey? Jul 06 19:04:16 any way to trade in my nokia 770 for a n800? Jul 06 19:04:17 lol Jul 06 19:04:23 works fine.. couple of programs don't work right though Jul 06 19:04:25 stupid monkey forgets things. Jul 06 19:04:31 http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplanet.ubuntulinux.org%2Frss20.xml Jul 06 19:04:34 osso-statusbar was a bust Jul 06 19:04:34 * joshin wonders if garage.maemo.org runs on a 770 Jul 06 19:04:35 even though I have an iPhone now, i still love my 770 Jul 06 19:04:35 stupid monkey? Jul 06 19:04:37 how much more features does the 800 have than the 770? Jul 06 19:04:42 nate12o6: 12 Jul 06 19:04:46 and lxdoom doesn't work for me Jul 06 19:04:47 hehe Jul 06 19:04:50 heh Jul 06 19:04:52 lol Jul 06 19:04:59 anything drastic that is new? Jul 06 19:05:02 faster cpu, more memory, camera.. fm radio Jul 06 19:05:09 fdsd: http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html Jul 06 19:05:14 case redesign Jul 06 19:05:17 newer os Jul 06 19:05:18 OgMaciel: ^ That feed doesn't validate. Jul 06 19:05:20 is the camera crap? Jul 06 19:05:29 LACK of cover Jul 06 19:05:30 OgMaciel: Maybe it is causing a problem. Jul 06 19:05:31 yes Jul 06 19:05:37 planet.gnome work sok, it seems Jul 06 19:05:38 soothsayer: apparently neither does g.p.o ;/ Jul 06 19:05:44 adding planet.ubuntu Jul 06 19:05:48 I love the cover on the 770 I wish the n800 had it Jul 06 19:06:11 i wish lxdoom worked... Jul 06 19:06:13 actually, I would say the camera app is crap. The camera itself is average. Jul 06 19:06:14 that's all i lack Jul 06 19:06:30 well the reason i came here was to find out if anyone has gotten pptp vpn to work with maemo? Jul 06 19:06:32 <||cw> doom doens't work on the 800? it does on the 770 Jul 06 19:06:33 and maybe some sort of cpu status icon Jul 06 19:06:34 OgMaciel: Feedvalidator says p.g.o is valid, but there shouldn't be HTML in the title Jul 06 19:06:47 no, it doesn't work for my install of 2007he on the 770 Jul 06 19:06:55 <||cw> Trencher: you have that option, check the application cataloge Jul 06 19:06:56 i have a 770 Jul 06 19:07:11 it's dled and installed, it just won't run Jul 06 19:07:15 planet.ubuntulinux works ok Jul 06 19:07:24 it ran in it2006 Jul 06 19:07:27 soothsayer: gotcha Jul 06 19:07:30 but nethack didn't Jul 06 19:07:43 gomiam: maybe the new rss reader is better? Jul 06 19:07:44 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7262 Jul 06 19:07:51 it might be Jul 06 19:07:53 gomiam: I tried those yesterday Jul 06 19:07:56 <||cw> Trencher: works for me, but on 2006 Jul 06 19:08:06 worked for me on 2006 Jul 06 19:08:10 they are loading for me without a beep Jul 06 19:08:20 might flash back Jul 06 19:08:27 not much in 2007 worth the upgrade Jul 06 19:08:42 except for nethack working Jul 06 19:09:17 lol @ Trencher Jul 06 19:09:20 Anyone know how to install applications from apt-get without the prompt for where I want the shortcut installed to come up? Jul 06 19:09:22 :( Jul 06 19:09:38 "except for nethack working" Jul 06 19:09:43 that was a good one :-D Jul 06 19:09:55 wut? Jul 06 19:10:14 "not much in 2007 worth the upgrade except for nethack working" Jul 06 19:10:20 seriously Jul 06 19:10:20 I found that funny Jul 06 19:10:26 only plus i've had Jul 06 19:10:34 it lags out alot Jul 06 19:10:41 until i disconnect from network Jul 06 19:11:18 well, I'm leaving. It's time to go see what has happened in the Big BLue Room Jul 06 19:11:52 gl hf dd ka Jul 06 19:12:29 whoa nethack Jul 06 19:12:41 do people still play that Jul 06 19:12:44 yes Jul 06 19:12:48 most fun Jul 06 19:12:55 i used to play castle of the winds, but i beat it Jul 06 19:12:59 and this is much more complex Jul 06 19:13:09 played majormud before that Jul 06 19:13:12 THAT was a headache Jul 06 19:13:21 I used to play it a long time ago Jul 06 19:13:33 back when linux was starting to spread, 1996 or so Jul 06 19:13:36 skype mail! Jul 06 19:13:44 hmm Jul 06 19:13:46 1996.. Jul 06 19:14:01 anyway it was fun :) Jul 06 19:14:04 yeah, i played mud then Jul 06 19:14:09 was only 9 Jul 06 19:14:13 in 1996 Jul 06 19:14:18 Take a deep breath. Skype is now available on the Nokia N800, Jul 06 19:14:32 Take a deep breath, then START TALKING Jul 06 19:14:43 I was 15 Jul 06 19:14:46 Trencher: yeah, finally Jul 06 19:14:53 why would anyone want to use skype instead of gizmo? Jul 06 19:15:01 cuz more people have it Jul 06 19:15:02 lol Jul 06 19:15:04 that's about a year after they promised it but heh Jul 06 19:15:21 and for a device that didn't exist when they promised it Jul 06 19:15:44 need more battery power! Jul 06 19:16:26 OgMaciel: _you_ are in the planet.ubuntulinux.org RSS XD Jul 06 19:16:36 gomiam: yup ;) Jul 06 19:16:52 http://www.explosm.net/comics/948/ LOLOLOLOL Jul 06 19:16:58 skype is available? or are you all hoaxing again? Jul 06 19:17:05 by the way, it looks like the p.u.o RSS feed is quite big. It has taken about 10 seconds for the load to go down Jul 06 19:17:12 trevarthan: want to check? Jul 06 19:17:18 skype is available Jul 06 19:17:19 nore the real thing Jul 06 19:17:23 http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-d134757e2b8e11dc9457cfd6b50760006000 Jul 06 19:17:26 read that Jul 06 19:17:29 * vims0r wants a new hackerOS :( Jul 06 19:17:33 it was in my AM Jul 06 19:17:42 * Trencher wants a new hackerOS :( Jul 06 19:17:59 gomiam: I will check it out as soon as I'm done blogging in Brazilian Portuguese ;) Jul 06 19:18:05 * gomiam wants a girlfriend whose last name isn't JPG Jul 06 19:18:06 :-P Jul 06 19:18:09 so that means that skype is also available for the 770.. doesn't mean it WORKS Jul 06 19:18:13 single memory card support up to 8 GB , happy happy joy joy Jul 06 19:18:14 HAHAHA Jul 06 19:18:15 lol i already got that. Jul 06 19:19:06 Real Rhapsody player easy installer (available for US. residents only) Jul 06 19:19:08 haha, wtf Jul 06 19:19:10 ok, really leaving this time Jul 06 19:19:12 have fun Jul 06 19:19:21 thanks gomiam! Jul 06 19:19:50 GTFO Jul 06 19:22:34 hmmm... cool. sounds like I've got a 5 hour firmware upgrade to do tonight... Jul 06 19:23:30 I really doubt I'll care about skype, but the battery usage thing looks worthwhile. Jul 06 19:24:19 touch screen driver update is good. Jul 06 19:24:42 yeah. I saw that too. That looks promising. Damn thing has been pissing me off for quite a while. :) Jul 06 19:24:49 too many double clicks. Jul 06 19:25:02 or none when there should be one Jul 06 19:25:48 i want skype on the 770 :( Jul 06 19:25:53 * ericz wishes Jul 06 19:26:00 ... Jul 06 19:26:07 then upgrade to the 2007 os Jul 06 19:26:11 and skype is there Jul 06 19:26:14 dunno if it works Jul 06 19:26:15 I don't think I know anyone who uses skype.... Jul 06 19:26:21 skype requires quite much processing power. Jul 06 19:26:46 that's also why a lot of the windows mobile devices, a bit older ones, can't just support it. not enough processing power. Jul 06 19:30:32 I know I will flash at some point , first let other ask if they can apt-get dist-upgrade Jul 06 19:32:53 hi! I'm setting up a low end laptop for my sister. Currently using xubuntu but I like the idea of using the hildon desktop instead. I there a guide on how to (build?) install the hildon desktop? Or maybe a livecd one could check it out with? Jul 06 19:34:06 <||cw> hilton is't really designed for desktop use. Try xfce, very low memory usage and will be familiar as a desktop Jul 06 19:34:23 <||cw> oh, right, xubuntu...already xfce Jul 06 19:36:04 wow, super mario brothers 2 runs slow in fceu :P Jul 06 19:36:13 yes, you're probably right. but I like the gui alot and it would be cool ;) Jul 06 19:36:13 ericz: read this http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html Jul 06 19:36:33 saw it :( Jul 06 19:37:13 ok, thanks anyway. cheers! Jul 06 19:37:28 still it pretty good and fair news i think. there is going to be a new 770 hacker release, so much good news Jul 06 19:37:41 Has anyone asked Nokia if there's a way (even if we have to pay a few $) to get a newer version of Opera and the Flash plugin? Jul 06 19:37:58 i just got my 770, too scared to try HE 2007 Jul 06 19:37:59 <||cw> is there a flash 9? Jul 06 19:38:08 Yup, in the new N800 release. Jul 06 19:38:37 <||cw> and why can't that be released for the 770? Jul 06 19:39:01 <||cw> I sort of understand opera, but flash is free and in beer anyway Jul 06 19:39:06 ericz: I can imagine. still it's a lot of fun. I think it's even a little faster Jul 06 19:39:07 ||cw: Possibly speed issues, possibly politics, possibly both. Jul 06 19:39:08 <||cw> as in * Jul 06 19:39:12 sesamebike: if you want to try http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog/?p=205 Jul 06 19:39:48 <||cw> joshin: there are some flash 6 things the 770 isn't fast enough for either Jul 06 19:40:00 <||cw> would be nice to have the option to try Jul 06 19:40:09 I don't disagree. Jul 06 19:40:30 <||cw> has anyone tried dropping the .so on a 770? the arch is the same right? Jul 06 19:40:34 qgil: thanks. I'll check it out. Jul 06 19:42:10 <||cw> wonder if nokia builds the opera binary or if opera does Jul 06 19:43:36 quick question, regarding the window on N800, who decides on the window focus? Jul 06 19:44:46 there is only one active window Jul 06 19:44:54 it has focus Jul 06 19:45:00 here is a nice usability test goto maemo.org and try to download the new image Jul 06 19:45:21 <`0660> the window manager? Jul 06 19:45:34 ||cw: I'm trying to get my paws on a N800 image to see what I can do with it. I figure to order a N800 soon and will pass down my 770 to the kids. Jul 06 19:46:44 trevarthan, so if i get a phone call and SMS while listening to music, who decides which interface shows up? Jul 06 19:48:35 the application itself would decide. But usually it would just stay in the background. Jul 06 19:49:02 keesj: the most difficult part was entering the product id.. and then trying to figure out if I can use intel mac for flashing Jul 06 19:49:08 There isn't a phone or SMS built into the n800 by default, so the point is moot. Jul 06 19:49:20 <`0660> to my understanding the application can request focus from the window manager Jul 06 19:49:32 770 and n800 are binary incompatible so you can't really mix .so's Jul 06 19:49:46 <`0660> it might be a skype call and an email :) Jul 06 19:50:10 I don't think any of those apps switch focus though. Jul 06 19:50:20 `0660: email doesn't require user interaction 'right now' Jul 06 19:50:28 <||cw> tko: flash is usually statically compiled though, it can't hurt to try :) Jul 06 19:50:30 Only one I can think of that does is the camera app. Jul 06 19:50:44 Opening the camera pops up google talk. Jul 06 19:50:44 <`0660> neither does an sms :) Jul 06 19:51:41 ||cw: but 770 was old abi while n800 is eabi, afaik it's comparable to amd64 trying to run 32bit shared libraries without knowing they're 32bit Jul 06 19:52:55 <||cw> tko: pretty sure i've heard of people sinaallign and running 770 apps on an 800 Jul 06 19:53:17 <||cw> but with the abi, the 800 could know about the old where the 770 cna't know about the new Jul 06 19:53:39 is it possible to configure the window manager based on different events, say application X is on focus, and application Y is requesting focus Jul 06 19:53:41 tko: what links did you follow from the main page on? Jul 06 19:54:14 keesj: 'feature upgrade' and 'available for download' Jul 06 19:55:13 <`0660> mbuf, i thin the current window manager is pretty lightweight Jul 06 19:55:39 <`0660> but naturally it could be implemented :) Jul 06 19:55:40 mbuf: you don't sound like you've ever used an maemo tablet. Jul 06 19:55:47 tko: only first release od 770 was old abi, the itos2006 was eabi already Jul 06 19:55:58 hmm, will following this guide http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability give me a system like this http://www.katix.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core:ShowItem&g2_itemId=4906&g2_imageViewsIndex=2 ? Jul 06 19:56:07 suihkulokki: details, details.. :-] Jul 06 19:56:17 I only work there.. :-P Jul 06 19:56:21 mbuf: It's pretty simplistic. You've got the active application full screen in your face, then you can switch to other applications. There isn't a whole lot of window management. Jul 06 19:56:36 Everything is pretty much always fullscreen or nothing at all. Jul 06 19:56:37 tko: yeah, and that's like ancient history :) Jul 06 19:56:38 Is it safe to change the hostname in /etc/hosts, btw? Jul 06 19:56:43 trevarthan, ok Jul 06 19:56:44 suihkulokki: very much, yes Jul 06 19:56:52 I mean 770 :) Jul 06 19:57:01 I mean n800 :-P Jul 06 19:58:08 mbuf: I actually rather prefer it to conventional desktop window managers. I wouldn't mind running it on a desktop either. :) Jul 06 19:58:19 It's much less confusing for new users. Jul 06 19:58:29 Yeah. multiple windows wouldn't work on such a small screen. Jul 06 19:58:33 simultaneous windows, that is. Jul 06 19:59:02 but I want my windows randomly and partially overlapping each other so that I have some window corners to hunt! :) Jul 06 19:59:15 roope: But it still keeps the task bar and the system tray. That's a nice twist. Pocket PCs usually do away with the task bar, which makes switching windows a pain. Jul 06 19:59:21 <`0660> :) Jul 06 19:59:34 Well. There's... :) Well yes. Jul 06 19:59:52 There's many opinions on that, but yes. Jul 06 20:00:10 mbuf: if you want to see the taskbar, you hit the fullscreen key (F6?). If you want it to go away, you hit it again. It's rather elegant. Jul 06 20:00:19 <`0660> yeah! where's our freedom to resize the windows? :) Jul 06 20:00:42 screw freedom. I want efficiency. Jul 06 20:01:32 has anyone ported a SID player to the 770? Jul 06 20:01:35 i would *love* one. Jul 06 20:01:48 besides, showing only one app at a time is a quite good thing for performance. Jul 06 20:01:52 <`0660> don't you know that freedom = democracy = good? :) Jul 06 20:02:31 `0660: not in computing. Dead simple = good. Jul 06 20:02:47 <`0660> oh :) Jul 06 20:03:47 well, you're free to rewire your cpu to get a different instruction set and go from there up the software stack Jul 06 20:03:58 so why don't you? :) Jul 06 20:04:39 <`0660> maybe i will! :) Jul 06 20:04:48 jpt9: what's an sid player? Jul 06 20:04:59 a program that plays SIDs -- C64 music files. Jul 06 20:05:24 wow. why don't you transcode that bad boy into an mp3? Jul 06 20:05:42 100x smaller files, for one. Jul 06 20:05:46 hey, is there a way once you have installed the boot menu on the 770 to get it to connect to a PC to transfer files onto the card?? Jul 06 20:05:48 at least Jul 06 20:05:48 :) Jul 06 20:05:53 because then you'd only have an mp3 and lose your oldschool status :) Jul 06 20:05:54 sids are scary small Jul 06 20:06:12 basically. Jul 06 20:06:15 Hey. Are any of the improvements in the latest N800 ITOS going to be backported or included in Hacker Edition? Jul 06 20:06:22 I'm fairly certain someone ported a sidplayer over Jul 06 20:06:29 where? Jul 06 20:06:41 What is Hacker Edition anyway? Jul 06 20:06:50 ttuttle_: http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html Jul 06 20:06:59 I don't remember where, and I'm to lazy to google for anyone else Jul 06 20:07:21 trevarthan: It's a combination of the last 2006 for the 770 and as much as they can include from a certain version of 2007 for the N800. Jul 06 20:07:22 Seems like there are a lot of flavors of maemo floating around for something with so much proprietary code in it... Jul 06 20:07:51 you are free to make your own 100% flavour Jul 06 20:07:57 hey ttuttle_ :) been getting NES roms, im destroying my battery with jeopardy Jul 06 20:08:04 So basically the 770 firmware isn't being released anymore and it's a backport of the n800 firmware as much as possible? Jul 06 20:08:07 trevarthan: Nope. The proprietary parts are just swapped in and out like building block. Jul 06 20:08:11 trevarthan: Yeah. Jul 06 20:08:47 i want to compile......https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ Jul 06 20:08:59 and i have a scratchbox, do i need to get the kernel sources for os2006 as well to do such a thing? Jul 06 20:10:18 anyone use the 770 with the init_flash boot menu? Jul 06 20:11:06 phsabo: no, but i should. Jul 06 20:11:44 i can't get it to connect to the PC with it on there :( Jul 06 20:13:09 flashing....flashed.... Jul 06 20:16:34 jpt9: Oh, do some work. :-b Jul 06 20:16:47 "maemo" something new to play every few month :p Jul 06 20:18:00 anyone in here wish there was a2dp for n800? I got it working if you haven't heard yet. Jul 06 20:18:22 (pardon the daily shameless plug) Jul 06 20:18:29 hehe Jul 06 20:18:56 is there any forums on which i can post if i have problems? Jul 06 20:19:16 * tko guesses a2dp might have something to do with bluetooth audio Jul 06 20:19:16 ttf? Jul 06 20:19:36 itf? Jul 06 20:19:43 damn broken monkey Jul 06 20:19:56 itt? Jul 06 20:20:02 lol Jul 06 20:20:09 itt Jul 06 20:20:12 hmm. Jul 06 20:20:13 forget it. Jul 06 20:20:19 phsabo: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3365 Jul 06 20:20:20 infobot_: itt Jul 06 20:20:35 you suck _Monkey. Jul 06 20:21:26 phsabo: ignore that thread. But internet tablet talk is the place you want, I think. Jul 06 20:21:55 ok thanks Jul 06 20:22:56 skype dialogs have a real hildon look and feel , I did not try to change my theme. Jul 06 20:23:04 anybody in for a quick test chat? Jul 06 20:23:39 can you IM with skype? Or is it voice only? Jul 06 20:23:40 keesj: gimme a few and I'll try Jul 06 20:23:48 you can IM Jul 06 20:24:34 I think that some skype windows version even support video Jul 06 20:27:29 keesj: not currently. yes, with an external 3rd party plugin, like festoon. Jul 06 20:27:45 but then it's not really skype video. it's festoon video, which just initiatse its session piggybacking skype. Jul 06 20:28:36 I'd like to test out that skype plugin for asterisk. I do a lot of asterisk stuff. might be cool. Jul 06 20:31:30 So no chance for Skype on the 770? That's too bad. Jul 06 20:34:33 Anyone upgrade their N800 yet? Jul 06 20:34:45 skype takes forever to sign in on my ubuntu 7.04, 1.8ghz, 512mb ram desktop.. can't imagine running it on a 770 Jul 06 20:35:17 my first call was with the skype call testing service Jul 06 20:35:24 I have no friend Jul 06 20:39:19 keesj: awwww. Jul 06 20:39:42 <`0660> ericz, the beta? Jul 06 20:39:57 yeah, i guess it is Jul 06 20:40:45 mmiller: I haven't. I've got some dev work to do this weekend. Can't risk f'ing up my dependencies... Jul 06 20:41:08 <`0660> 1.4? because it's quite snappy with me Jul 06 20:41:42 Skype Beta 1.4.0.74 Jul 06 20:41:53 thoughtfix is getting dugg down on the N800 article :( ... if any is logged in, hook him up Jul 06 20:42:37 I wish I knew what that meant. Jul 06 20:43:17 trevarthan, digg.com Jul 06 20:43:39 kinda like slashdot, but with even worse comments .... Jul 06 20:43:48 though not as bad as youtube :) Jul 06 20:44:14 Oh, the articles on Digg suck too. Jul 06 20:44:25 which one is thoughtfix's post? Jul 06 20:44:33 they're user submitted, not all of them suck Jul 06 20:44:45 http://digg.com/linux_unix/Nokia_N800_has_a_new_Firmware Jul 06 20:45:07 There's this sort of thing where if people feel like they're getting a new, interesting piece of content, they'll digg it. The dumbest stuff gets through. And the top-ten list of why top-ten lists make great Digg articles of course made Digg. Jul 06 20:46:00 ttuttle_, sure, but if you are looking at just a limited section (like linux_unix) you'll find some interesting things from time to time Jul 06 20:46:46 Whew ... several hours later, I'm done with the upgrade Jul 06 20:50:21 how did the n800 get flash 9? Jul 06 20:50:27 does adobe make a flash for the arm proc? Jul 06 20:50:54 Spec: yes Jul 06 20:51:05 can it work in os2006/n770? Jul 06 20:51:16 dunno Jul 06 20:52:43 Spec, I bet it would work fine, but good luck getting Nokia to update the 770 to use it Jul 06 20:53:06 2007 hacker edition? Jul 06 20:53:20 nokia doesn't give any love to the 770 anymore, right? Jul 06 20:53:48 Spec: No, they suck infinitely. Jul 06 20:53:59 nokia? Jul 06 20:54:01 Things will get better when Gutsy mobile is released. Jul 06 20:54:02 Spec: I just got mine last week (Woot). Jul 06 20:54:05 Spec: Yeah. Jul 06 20:54:06 ttuttle_: same Jul 06 20:54:10 soothsayer: Ubuntu? Jul 06 20:54:16 ttuttle_: Ubuntu mobile Jul 06 20:54:19 ttuttle_: working on hacking WEP still, (injection isn't quite working as far as i can tell) Jul 06 20:54:26 Gusty mobile? Jul 06 20:54:29 The majority of the Maemo userbase still seems to be on the N770 Jul 06 20:54:32 Will that work on the 770? Jul 06 20:54:41 Spec: Nokia should support them. They're still on sale. You wouldn't make a TV that randomly shut off while you were watching it, or didn't get certain channels, and just stop fixing the problems, would you? Jul 06 20:54:50 Spec: It's a different project Jul 06 20:54:53 ttuttle_: I WOULD. Jul 06 20:55:08 soothsayer: it can be a different project and work on the 770, right? Jul 06 20:55:11 Sho_: Yeah, 'cause the N770 is still a useful device. Nokia should just realize they were wrong and (here's the important part) *allocate new budget to it*. Jul 06 20:55:21 ttuttle_: i mean, why would you support a tv that shuts off randomly and can't get certain channels? ^.~ Jul 06 20:56:04 Spec: It's based on Maemo. My point is that hopefully you will no longer have to depend on Nokia alone. Non-commercial projects tend to support Jul 06 20:56:05 Spec: My point was nobody else would leave a product half-finished and buggy, but Nokia thinks they can just because it's a computer. Jul 06 20:56:10 'legacy' devices better Jul 06 20:56:31 ttuttle_: Frankly, the N770 (by looks alone) always seemed to me like a prototype device - I'm not surprised they're not keen on pumping any more resources into it. Given its CPU power, it's not very useful for much anyway. Jul 06 20:57:26 Spec: It's really hard to draw a comparison, but here's a bad car analogy: imagine if your car manufacturer promised you a surround sound audio system, but only delivered stereo. Then when you asked about it, they said they wouldn't make it, but they won't release the specs for the radio port to anyone else either. Jul 06 20:57:44 Spec: That's what Nokia did. They made this device, then they stopped supporting it, but didn't open-source it all. Jul 06 20:57:51 ttuttle_: i'm very familiar with proprietary evilness and what nokia did Jul 06 20:58:03 Sho_: I don't care. I paid good money for it. Nokia shouldn't sell prototypes. Jul 06 20:58:29 Early adopters should know what they're getting into *shrugs* Jul 06 20:58:38 Sho_: We don't need a lot of resources. Just some simple bugfixes, or at least a copy of the code (*all* of it, except maybe Opera) so we can work on it. Jul 06 20:58:46 Sho_: I disagree. Jul 06 20:59:18 Sho_: I think it's fraudulent when companies release half-finished products but advertise them as finished. And unless someone says otherwise, it's assumed that a product being sold to the world is finished and works, for the most part. Jul 06 20:59:21 the only thing different i would've done is release the specs Jul 06 20:59:33 Sho_: Unfortunately, somewhere along the way, the software industry seemed to exempt themselves. Jul 06 20:59:35 ttuttle_: sue nokia for the hardware specs Jul 06 20:59:56 Sho_: That would have been fine. If Nokia did, we could keep maintaining it, and perhaps even come up with a platform that covers multiple devices. Jul 06 20:59:59 It's called crapitalism Jul 06 21:00:04 Spec: How? (I'm curious.) Jul 06 21:00:04 ttuttle_: "somewhere along the way", "people got used to m$'s bullshit", "software industry seemed to exempt themselves". Jul 06 21:00:13 ttuttle_: well, first you go to a lawyer, and ask them. Jul 06 21:00:13 people want cheapes stuff and get what they pay for Jul 06 21:00:15 Spec: Mind you, I'm going to college soon so I likely won't have the resources for it. Jul 06 21:00:16 second. "...." Jul 06 21:00:18 third: profit Jul 06 21:01:10 suihkulokki: Yes, but... if I sell you a $5000 car that stalls every 10 miles, you could sue me because it's a lemon. Just 'cause it's cheap doesn't mean it can fail to do what it's supposed to. Jul 06 21:01:11 if the company doesn't provide support for a product anymore, the hardware specs should be forced open. by magic. Jul 06 21:01:14 Spec: Um... Jul 06 21:01:33 Spec: I should find some feature they advertised, and didn't implement fully or well, and complain about that. Jul 06 21:01:39 ttuttle_: Isn't this moot anyway because Nokias has actually continued to provide software with the Hacker Edition? Jul 06 21:01:41 Spec: I'll tell them I want a free N800 ;-) Jul 06 21:01:46 Sho_: No, it's not. Jul 06 21:01:53 Sho_: Hacker Edition is a joke. Jul 06 21:01:54 ttuttle_: tell me if it works ^.^ Jul 06 21:02:14 In any case, I was perfectly able to expect as much and avoid buying an N770 and wait for the matured, second-gen N800 product Jul 06 21:02:25 Sho_: It works, but it's not real support. Jul 06 21:03:03 ttuttle_: would you honestly commit yourself to maintaining a real open source edition for 770 if you had the specs? Jul 06 21:03:14 suihkulokki: Not entirely myself, but I'd contribute. Jul 06 21:03:44 Seems to me that time would be better spent getting a job and buying an N800 .. Jul 06 21:03:50 ...because pretty much everything on the hardware is already accessible Jul 06 21:03:52 suihkulokki: What matters is that there is a horde of Maemo developers who would love to hack on the *entire* system, but can't, because Nokia won't release it. At the same time, Nokia won't fix their own bugs. Jul 06 21:04:04 suihkulokki: What about those ASIC's that Nokia hasn't actually released documentation for? Jul 06 21:05:01 ttuttle_: actually the hardware is more documented than your average PC Jul 06 21:05:31 suihkulokki: Good. Where is it? Jul 06 21:05:57 ..kernel sources Jul 06 21:09:52 is the cx3110x open? Jul 06 21:14:20 Spec: I see there is a garage page for it , but I think it still required some fireware Jul 06 21:14:40 yeap Jul 06 21:14:48 it was a rhetorical(sp?) question Jul 06 21:14:52 directed at suihkulokki Jul 06 21:15:30 it's burrito time. Jul 06 21:33:06 Q: I have os2007-HE on a 770... Anybody ever see any issue where they can't remove files on the removable mem card? It will not let me do it, even though I can download a file and store it on the card. BTW, this is with the file manager... It says "Operation failed". Jul 06 21:34:42 mmm no Jul 06 21:36:02 I brought up an xterm and was able to remove the file with 'rm' fine though... So, it's not a permission problem it seems. Unless the userid differs from the File Manager to the shell in the xterm... hmm Jul 06 21:38:01 do people really use the tables in different languages? Jul 06 21:38:21 probabely not the best place to ask... Jul 06 21:43:06 tables or tablets? Jul 06 21:44:00 tablets, Jul 06 21:46:02 booting with MMC(4G) as root device works like a charm Jul 06 21:48:45 hmm , I do get an "Unable to open storage location" in opera Jul 06 22:02:08 speaking of MMC, I'm trying to figure out what card to buy... I guess the hardware limitation for an MMC card for a 770 is 2GB, is that correct? I see the new OS2007 for the N800 now supports 8GB cards (but probably not RS-MMC) Jul 06 22:02:32 hey anyone notice significant battery life decrease when flashing 2006.3 on n770? Jul 06 22:03:09 not yet, but i've only done it this morning Jul 06 22:04:19 i did it a few weeks ago and since, i can't go 24 hours without it dieing even if i have case closed the whole time Jul 06 22:04:27 the screen goes blank like normal Jul 06 22:06:01 <||cw> bstock: mine seems fine Jul 06 22:13:40 hmm Jul 06 22:13:45 could rnd mode kill it faster? Jul 06 22:25:02 morning Jul 06 22:26:09 bstock_: well, you can always close all the apps you run, turn off wireless, make sure that your screen is locked, etc. Jul 06 22:26:27 bstock_: remove applets that poll, like cpu status, etc. Jul 06 22:27:44 hmm i did install the cpu monitor app Jul 06 22:27:55 wonder if that's killing it... though i've had it running before i reflashed and it seemed ok Jul 06 22:40:48 anyone else get 'no route to host' on first ssh attempt, then connect on second: consistently Jul 06 22:41:27 Does youtube work with the new firmware? Jul 06 22:41:52 hey inz -- is there any way to play solo (in sgt-puzzles) with the touchscreen? (as in without a bt kbd) Jul 06 22:44:20 hey Jul 06 22:44:39 * jpt9 switched to xchat on his 770 Jul 06 22:45:27 lol... Jul 06 22:45:55 anyone checked if Youtube now works on the N800? Jul 06 22:46:07 or is it still choppy? Jul 06 22:46:40 * jpt9 doesn't have an n800, you insensitive clod :-) Jul 06 22:47:13 I haven't eigther Jul 06 22:47:22 poor guys :) Jul 06 22:47:49 I got Archos instead Jul 06 22:48:16 unhackable but does multimedia and flash video well Jul 06 22:55:05 is divx playable on the device? Jul 06 22:57:34 eugene: mplayer runs on it Jul 06 22:57:59 BrianRice: that is, if i install mplayer? which repository did u get your mplayer? Jul 06 22:58:04 is it choppy? Jul 06 23:00:16 robtaylor: isn't coherence supposed to shutdown gracefully on ^c ? Jul 06 23:02:46 * eugene goes to sleep again Jul 06 23:12:01 I suppose DivX and Flash video is choppy on the N800 even with the new firmware Jul 06 23:22:01 on n800 is there a way to chance between intern and extern sd card, pluging the n800 with usb to the pc? Jul 07 00:06:36 there, several hours later, almost back to where I was this morning before the update Jul 07 00:46:57 ok so youtube is not smooth with the update according to tablet man Jul 07 00:47:03 tabletblog.com Jul 07 00:48:57 Let it finish loading Jul 07 00:49:00 It's fine after that. Jul 07 00:52:03 Charbax: i am trying youtube and i think it's very smooth :) Jul 07 00:52:14 check out one man band video :) Jul 07 00:55:55 he's so good :) Jul 07 01:00:34 eugene are you sure? Jul 07 01:00:54 tabletblog.com says it's only smooth once the video has completely downloaded Jul 07 01:01:18 How about playing the video in full screen, and how about video.google.com or dailymotion.com ? Jul 07 01:01:51 Charbax: well, it's choppy on any system if the network connection is slow. Jul 07 01:02:20 i try video.google.com now Jul 07 01:02:59 gee ms hilton, couple making out, etc. what videos are these at video.google.com Jul 07 01:03:01 * eugene shakes head Jul 07 01:05:49 you can search for something else like Al Gore or OLPC if you don't like britney hilton Jul 07 01:06:22 I'm wondering if video support is better, flash and other codecs Jul 07 01:06:40 Or have full sized DivX with b-frames and AC3 sound always worked in mplayer or something? Jul 07 01:07:54 hey... anyone know how to listen to oggs in the N800? Jul 07 01:08:13 Seems like there's a library in a repository somewhere. Jul 07 01:08:42 haha i'm addicted to one man band video Jul 07 01:08:53 Charbax: ok it;s choppy when it's downloadng Jul 07 01:09:12 Charbax: but it's fine after you got the whole video. i think that's normal Jul 07 01:10:38 actually i guess it really depends on users experience Jul 07 01:10:53 i find it ok, but you might have a different opinion ;) Jul 07 01:11:44 GeneralAntilles: I have installed a Ogg Support package but the mediastreamer and canola don't seem to be using it Jul 07 01:12:42 No idea, then. Jul 07 01:12:45 canola, i haven't try that. i am going to try now :) Jul 07 01:13:19 I wish Nokia would include 12pt themes by default. Jul 07 01:15:43 eugene: :) Jul 07 01:16:24 I just wanted to know how youtube experience is compared with the Archos 605 WiFi http://www.archoslounge.net/5G-le-605-en-video.html Jul 07 01:16:38 cause Archos plays them instantly smoothly in full screen Jul 07 01:16:48 OgMaciel: :) Jul 07 01:16:59 Archos is a media player Jul 07 01:17:03 3.70mb in 10 secs :) Jul 07 01:17:07 If you want a media player, buy an Archos Jul 07 01:17:18 Personally, I like having a shell in my pocket wherever I go. Jul 07 01:17:18 but it's great if Nokia could improve it a bit, with chance one day youtube will be totally smooth Jul 07 01:17:53 I think Nokia should include HSDPA and not be afraid to compete with their own N95 and other HSDPA phones Jul 07 01:17:57 GeneralAntilles: i like the fmplayer bit ;) Jul 07 01:18:06 and Multimedia support should be better, also offer hard disk versions Jul 07 01:18:09 If you want to see impressive mobile YouTube playback, get yourself an iPhone Jul 07 01:18:18 Charbax: no, and no Jul 07 01:18:21 iPhone doesn't support Youtube Jul 07 01:18:25 HSDPA will just suck the battery down Jul 07 01:18:27 only re-encoded h264 youtube Jul 07 01:18:32 It's still YouTube Jul 07 01:18:46 hard disks are still too big and too power hungry Jul 07 01:18:59 Flash is where it's at for mobile storage, anyway. Jul 07 01:19:05 it's only a few thousand videos from youtube, flash video support is better, and there isn't only youtube with videos on the internet Jul 07 01:19:13 canola don't have chinese fonts!!! Jul 07 01:19:39 so it looks really ugly here :/ Jul 07 01:19:40 Learn a real language. ;) Jul 07 01:19:43 well if Nokia can put HSDPA in the N95 then why not the N800 Jul 07 01:19:50 BATTERY LIFE Jul 07 01:19:55 Why put it in the Nokia, anyway? Jul 07 01:19:58 N95 has bad battery life? Jul 07 01:20:04 I already carry around a cellphone Jul 07 01:20:07 It has HSDPA Jul 07 01:20:11 Bluetooth tether works perfectly. Jul 07 01:20:23 pocket tablet should replace cellphones with VOIP and IM Jul 07 01:20:31 :| Jul 07 01:20:40 how do i take screenshot within canola :) Jul 07 01:20:45 but Nokia and carriers probably don't want that to happen Jul 07 01:20:54 _I_ don't want that to happen Jul 07 01:21:03 So I got to count on smaller companies like Archos to release a VOIP 605 with built-in HSDPA Jul 07 01:21:20 You don't get HSDPA without a carrier Jul 07 01:21:27 smaller carriers Jul 07 01:21:40 With the infrastructure to distribute HSDPA? Jul 07 01:21:42 Nokia is in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull Jul 07 01:21:42 Unlikely Jul 07 01:21:49 What's so hard about carrying a phone with you? Jul 07 01:21:54 For example N61 is different in USA Jul 07 01:21:57 E61 Jul 07 01:22:00 N800 sucks to talk on Jul 07 01:22:28 bluetooth headset with N800 then, or basic headset Jul 07 01:22:44 Then I've got to have a bluetooth headset Jul 07 01:22:54 I don't want to carry that shit around with me everywhere I go Jul 07 01:23:12 The device convergence idea has already been pretty solidly shot out of the water. Jul 07 01:23:18 wow. canola rocks :) Jul 07 01:23:20 also a bluetooth watch with shortcut buttons and little display Jul 07 01:23:32 There are a lot of times where I don't want to carry around the N800 with me Jul 07 01:23:41 So I carry my super-slim Samsung A717 Jul 07 01:23:49 eugene: Yes, it really is a great media player. Jul 07 01:24:14 Shit, why can't I install NuvoPearl? Jul 07 01:24:16 yeah but super slim phones aren't as good for VOIP and certainly not for internet access and multimedia Jul 07 01:24:22 The default themes are so ugly. Jul 07 01:24:25 Works great for me Jul 07 01:24:26 HSPDA Jul 07 01:24:37 I use my N800 for browsing Jul 07 01:24:47 The phone is for voice and data Jul 07 01:25:18 you can easilly use your phone as the bluetooth HSDPA modem for your N800? Jul 07 01:25:24 Yes Jul 07 01:25:27 It works perfectly Jul 07 01:25:29 ok that's cool Jul 07 01:25:33 I have it idle 10-hours a day at work Jul 07 01:25:37 For AIM, etc. Jul 07 01:25:41 but I still think HSDPA should be in a N800 version Jul 07 01:25:49 and I still don't Jul 07 01:25:53 Because it's pointless Jul 07 01:26:08 Why add $50-$100 to the cost to decrease battery life when you can just use your phone? Jul 07 01:26:14 GeneralAntilles: yeah ;) Jul 07 01:26:22 I asked the Nokia people at CES they told me they would but it's a carrier deal problem Jul 07 01:26:29 :\ Jul 07 01:26:41 Like the people at CES _really_ know what they're talking about Jul 07 01:26:53 Or, more likely, they're just laying the blame elsewhere Jul 07 01:27:03 You could have a physical HSDPA switch on the side to force the HSDPA not to try and ping and use power Jul 07 01:27:06 If we see any large-range data option in the N800, it'll be Wimax Jul 07 01:27:11 Ugh Jul 07 01:27:18 It was the N800 product manager I interviewed at CES Jul 07 01:27:19 found a bug in canola Jul 07 01:27:32 A switch? Jul 07 01:27:41 That'll only confuse novice users Jul 07 01:27:52 Still doesn't solve the cost issue Jul 07 01:27:52 sigh Jul 07 01:27:57 http://ces2007.video-blog.eu/nokia-n800/ Jul 07 01:27:58 Cellular radios are expensive Jul 07 01:28:12 u can choose the next song, but when u go back to the previous song, it can't find the song to play :) Jul 07 01:28:20 WiMax would be cool, but HSDPA is available now Jul 07 01:28:30 here in Denmark we get 10GB on HSDPA for 30€ per month Jul 07 01:28:34 30 euros Jul 07 01:28:47 is there an equalizer ? Jul 07 01:29:03 By the time we get to the next hardware refresh, Wimax will be gaining ground. Jul 07 01:29:29 I hope so, but it's been a couple of years I've heard people at conferences say that Mobile WiMax would come soon Jul 07 01:29:32 It can't possibly be going into the next hardware refresh, because stuff like that takes time to test and develop Jul 07 01:29:40 RADIOS are expensive Jul 07 01:29:46 I've said nothing of plans. Jul 07 01:30:08 It'd suck having to buy separate plans for both my N800 and my phone. Jul 07 01:30:20 Nokia has the ressources to do HSDPA in N800 type device. If they don't it's purely cause they are a little bit evil, or because the telcos told Nokia not to Jul 07 01:30:36 No, it's because it's a stupid idea. Jul 07 01:30:45 Nokia is like one of the largest companies in the world, so it's not a problem of ressources Jul 07 01:31:01 Large or not, it doesn't make scare resources cost less. Jul 07 01:31:09 3g radios are scare resources Jul 07 01:31:19 They can have a version with HSDPA and a version without, Just as they got a E61 with WiFi and another without Wifi Jul 07 01:31:20 *scarce 2x Jul 07 01:31:45 Economies of scale are already weak on a device like the N800 Jul 07 01:31:53 You want to divide the production in half and make it worse? Jul 07 01:32:10 I _can_ afford a $300-400 Jul 07 01:32:12 Nokia is investing everything in making phones into pocket computers Jul 07 01:32:20 I CANNOT afford a $500-$700 device Jul 07 01:32:26 So N800 type technology is a big thing for future of Nokia Jul 07 01:33:02 I can't believe I have to stick with this crappy built-in theme Jul 07 01:33:18 What could they possibly have changed to break the theme framework Jul 07 01:33:21 They could market an iPhone killer that is a N800 with free VOIP calling on Skype, SIP, Gtalk and such. No voice and SMS plans everything over wireless broadband. That would kill iPhone Jul 07 01:33:44 Ha Jul 07 01:33:45 Bullshit Jul 07 01:33:55 Anything marketed as an iPhone killer is doomed to die itself. Jul 07 01:34:00 Have you used an iPhone? Jul 07 01:34:10 Apple has really dropped a bombshell on the cellular market Jul 07 01:34:17 There's a lot to be said for multitouch Jul 07 01:34:22 nope but I cannot see the iPhone as anything revolutionary, on the opposite Jul 07 01:34:31 The interface is lightyears ahead of anything else on the market Jul 07 01:34:43 iPhone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens Jul 07 01:34:46 You can't possibly understand until you've used it. Jul 07 01:34:58 Who cares about the hardware Jul 07 01:35:12 Hardware prices will go down and technology will go up as soon as we hit the next generation Jul 07 01:35:18 The interface is where it's at. Jul 07 01:35:31 the iPhone touchscreen isn't as good as people are made to think Jul 07 01:35:35 It's so much easier to use than any other cellular device I've ever laid hands on. Jul 07 01:35:40 I HAVE one Jul 07 01:35:42 It's AWESOME Jul 07 01:35:45 I've seen people having trouble clicking on things and scrolling with the iPhone Jul 07 01:36:08 I had trouble at first because I tried to use it like the N800 touchscreen, with my fingernail Jul 07 01:36:11 --doesn't work well Jul 07 01:36:16 you have an iPhone? Jul 07 01:36:19 But when you use it full-fingered the magic happens Jul 07 01:36:20 Yes Jul 07 01:36:31 Well, it's in the family Jul 07 01:36:36 It's my mother's phone Jul 07 01:36:45 2000 dollar phone isn't it Jul 07 01:36:49 canola doesn't integrate with the fm player :/ Jul 07 01:36:57 try 500 Jul 07 01:37:43 What's with all the iPhone hate, anyway? Jul 07 01:37:53 transitions and smooth scrolling that makes an interface lightyears ahead? Jul 07 01:38:04 More competition in the cellular market can only be a GOOD THING for us as consumers. Jul 07 01:38:11 . . . Jul 07 01:38:21 What if those menu transitions/animations weren't the best actual way to do better usabillity on pocket device? Jul 07 01:38:23 Multitouch Jul 07 01:38:41 multitouch is really that usefull? Jul 07 01:38:48 Menu transitions have nothing to do with it. Jul 07 01:38:51 Have you used one? Jul 07 01:38:52 No. Jul 07 01:38:58 I think normal interface would be more usable for zooming than multitouch Jul 07 01:39:10 It's so much more fluid Jul 07 01:39:15 no I'm in Denmark, we don't go mad over Apple products over here Jul 07 01:39:47 Tap on the phone icon, finger scroll to a contact, tap send Jul 07 01:39:50 incredibly fluid Jul 07 01:39:56 nothing like the jerky finger scrolling on the N800 Jul 07 01:40:11 fluid hmm.. really well I haven't tried it so I don't know for sure. But from what I see the iPhone interface is just a bunch of animations and flashy transitions Jul 07 01:40:20 "see" Jul 07 01:40:22 That's the problem Jul 07 01:40:24 You haven't used it Jul 07 01:40:34 so you have no basis with which to form an opinion Jul 07 01:40:38 wait until you get to use one Jul 07 01:40:58 softbuttons and d-pads are a thing of the past Jul 07 01:41:12 Actually, the one really cool thing that Nokia could fairly easily pull from the iPhone is inertia scrolling Jul 07 01:41:13 so yeah Apple might have got a new type of multitouch touchscreen out of their billion dollar R&D, but that's not in my opinion in itself able to revolutionize the technology Jul 07 01:41:36 If I flick a page on the iPhone, the page will behave as if it has inertia and continue to scroll for a little while. Jul 07 01:42:03 hardware scroll buttons on the side of the touch-screen probably is more productive than the apple touchscreen effects Jul 07 01:42:10 Imagine being able to scroll through dozen-page websites on the N800 with a single flick? Jul 07 01:42:21 iPhones only AT&T (for now), right? Jul 07 01:42:36 Again, you haven't used it. (I hate to keep bringing this up, but it's particularly relavent in the case of an interface) Jul 07 01:42:37 well I have seen people say that browsing isn't that smooth even using WiFi on the iPhone Jul 07 01:43:02 it renders pages slowly just like google maps for one Jul 07 01:43:10 ericz_, yes AT&T for now Jul 07 01:43:21 ericz_, wait until the next hardware revision. Jul 07 01:43:43 Google maps aren't any slower than in a regular browser Jul 07 01:43:56 Multitouch really shines there. Jul 07 01:43:57 really waiting for a price drop :P Jul 07 01:44:12 The competition'll kick in whenever the next revision comes out Jul 07 01:44:18 More carriers will have it Jul 07 01:44:25 so they'll have incentive to give price breaks Jul 07 01:44:47 att has 5 year exclusivity, price won't drop Jul 07 01:46:03 Charbax, it seems like you take issue with people that think the iPhone is a gift from god, and you have a dislike of Apple in general more than anything really concrete with the device itself. Jul 07 01:46:07 Do they now? Jul 07 01:46:17 a basic zooming scaler probably works better than multitouch.. it's just a WOW effect but better usabillity is not achieved by it Jul 07 01:46:30 So you keep saying Jul 07 01:46:41 But can you pan around like you can with the iPhone? Jul 07 01:46:42 No. Jul 07 01:46:55 panning around works on N800 and Archos doesn't it Jul 07 01:47:04 Not while zooming Jul 07 01:47:07 Fluidity Jul 07 01:47:18 That's what shines on the iPhone Jul 07 01:47:41 It's not a goddamn chore to get to everything like on most cellphones (and the N800 at times, though I do love it so ;)). Jul 07 01:47:53 hardware buttons next to the screen would provide better usabillity for zooming I think Jul 07 01:48:04 Hypothetical Jul 07 01:48:49 well the Archos 605 WiFi is out next week over here in Europe so I'll be able to test that Jul 07 01:49:23 I'm sure browsing experience with full Javascripts and full Flash support on a 800x480 4" screen is a better browsing experience than on the iPhone Jul 07 01:49:31 I agree Jul 07 01:49:44 iPhone is no N800 competition Jul 07 01:49:50 There is no such thing as N800 competition right now. Jul 07 01:50:22 Unless Nokia plans on doing something drastic, I will buy (and have bought) every hardware revision of the IT line that comes out. Jul 07 01:51:03 I'm looking forward to the N900 WiFi+HSDPA+WiMax VOIP with 160GB hdd Jul 07 01:51:12 and full DivX playback/recording Jul 07 01:51:34 If Nokia don't do it then Archos will Jul 07 01:51:55 160GB? Jul 07 01:51:59 Not happening Jul 07 01:52:04 Flash tech is getting better everyday Jul 07 01:52:08 Archos 605 is up to 160GB Jul 07 01:52:14 It's also thick as hell Jul 07 01:52:21 but HDD provides 10x the capacity for the same price as flash Jul 07 01:52:28 Not in the next few years Jul 07 01:52:42 HD development is creeping to a hault Jul 07 01:52:46 and a 1.8" HDD is not taking up much space and weight Jul 07 01:52:48 Flash is just beginning to take off. Jul 07 01:52:55 Battery power Jul 07 01:52:56 again Jul 07 01:53:23 Archos supports HD resolution video, up to 720p, so multimedia files are getting bigger Jul 07 01:53:36 Has anybody else been successful in getting any of the NuvoThemes to install? Jul 07 01:53:39 also there are HD camcorders now, you need HDD to store those videos Jul 07 01:53:51 What's the resolution of the Archos? Jul 07 01:53:58 320x*? Jul 07 01:54:00 1280x720 Jul 07 01:54:05 605? Jul 07 01:54:08 yup Jul 07 01:54:19 playback and 640x480 encoding still Jul 07 01:54:34 Bullshit Jul 07 01:54:41 It's true hehe Jul 07 01:54:46 Display: High resolution screen, 800x480 pixels, 4.3'' TFT LCD, 16 million colors Jul 07 01:54:46 Touch screen Jul 07 01:54:50 Right from Archos website Jul 07 01:55:09 http://cebitvideo.com/images/IMG_0354-sm-comp.JPG Jul 07 01:55:25 LCD resolution Jul 07 01:55:25 yup I'm talking about video playback resolution Jul 07 01:55:30 Not video playback Jul 07 01:55:39 It's got Component and HDMI output with the correct docking accessories Jul 07 01:55:46 There's no advantage to playing downsampling videos Jul 07 01:55:52 It's a media device Jul 07 01:56:02 yup output to a HDTV at your friends place Jul 07 01:56:04 All their processing power is dedicated to being able to play video Jul 07 01:56:23 Doesn't fullfil my needs for an SSH tunnel and a webbrowser Jul 07 01:56:28 downsampling is very important feature, you can then watch all the HD content without re-encoding a portable version Jul 07 01:56:52 Archos is using Texas Instruments just like Nokia in the N800 Jul 07 01:57:06 difference is Archos TI chip is more powerfull DSP Jul 07 01:57:30 When is Nokia gonna get the hell of their collective asses and release some drivers for the PowerVR Jul 07 01:57:35 That would work wonders for the N800 Jul 07 01:57:43 what is PowerVR? Jul 07 01:57:56 The 3d accelerator on the TI chip in the N800 Jul 07 01:58:18 Same as in the Dell Axims Jul 07 01:58:26 We could conceivably run Quake 3 with that chip. Jul 07 01:58:46 TI makes the best chips, on the N900 Nokia should use one chip like in the Archos with a better multimedia inpout/output support Jul 07 01:59:24 Linux apps wouldn't need to suffer from it Jul 07 01:59:33 cause TI is a dual-core ARM and DSP in one Jul 07 02:10:03 hi again. Jul 07 02:10:15 has anyone checked whether HTop works? Jul 07 02:10:21 for it won't start for me. Jul 07 02:23:02 is there a working .deb to add ogg support to mediaplayer? Jul 07 02:23:55 the one refed in garage does not work Jul 07 02:24:53 this is with the latest firmware on n800 Jul 07 02:56:36 gomiam: what's htop **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 07 02:59:56 2007