**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 07 02:59:56 2007
Jul 07 03:00:56 <gomiam> eugene: HTop is a graphical top
Jul 07 03:01:00 <eugene> oh..
Jul 07 03:01:14 <gomiam> or that's what the advertisement says :-)
Jul 07 03:01:18 <eugene> :)
Jul 07 03:01:31 <eugene> i'm still writing my first post to my blog heh
Jul 07 03:02:01 <gomiam> :-D
Jul 07 03:15:08 <gomiam> am I the only one finding bugs in the Youtube video?
Jul 07 03:15:28 <gomiam> it¡s annoying: some videos state an original fps of 1000
Jul 07 03:15:30 <gomiam> :-(
Jul 07 03:15:53 <gomiam> and I can't find a way to ignore that.
Jul 07 03:19:29 <rhys> so im on in xchat on the new firmware. tried skype, works great.
Jul 07 03:27:18 <gomiam> /jion #mplayer
Jul 07 03:28:45 <jacques> hmm
Jul 07 03:40:38 <locokaizo> I tried UKtube and now there's a UKMP dark icon on the task bar that won't go away even after restart
Jul 07 03:41:09 <locokaizo> I can open it, but it's just a blank dark screen
Jul 07 03:41:32 <locokaizo> other than that, my 770 seems to be fine
Jul 07 03:42:14 <locokaizo> I was going to in install task manager, but I can find their home page
Jul 07 03:42:40 <locokaizo> anyone know their hompage or another solution to try?
Jul 07 04:05:40 <gnuite> Is anyone else having trouble with xephyr crashing when run with maemo 3.2?
Jul 07 04:06:05 <gnuite> during the "af-sb-init.sh start" command...
Jul 07 04:08:57 <NeoStrider_> hello folks!
Jul 07 04:11:10 <gnuite> I guess I shouldn't have upgraded to maemo 3.2.... :/
Jul 07 04:22:50 <NeoStrider_> why, gnuite?
Jul 07 05:04:44 <danilo_> Please, someone can give-me the MD5 key of the new N800's image? And I dont know if I'm having this problems because of problems with download, or if it is a device problem...
Jul 07 05:05:35 <danilo_> my MD5 is e6643b4b14698759b5df4fa3a626dfc8  RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Jul 07 05:08:52 <dolske> danilo_: MD5 (RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin) = e6643b4b14698759b5df4fa3a626dfc8
Jul 07 05:09:05 <dolske> flashed it last night and it's working for me.
Jul 07 05:09:13 <rwhitby> danilo_: the md5sum is in the MD5SUMS file at the same place where you get the image
Jul 07 05:09:23 <danilo_> Yes.... I re-flash it now, and its working....
Jul 07 05:09:26 <xruxa> e6643b4b14698759b5df4fa3a626dfc8  RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Jul 07 05:10:51 <danilo_> I dont know why, but I flash my N800 some hours ago and everthing stop. It dont has sound, was slow... But i reflash it now, and its working Ok...
Jul 07 05:12:37 <danilo_> Ow!!! Skype is beatiful... and fast..... lol!
Jul 07 05:13:17 <danilo_> It was a funny problem. Re-flash  the device solve it.
Jul 07 05:13:22 <danilo_> Thanks guys!
Jul 07 05:13:39 <thoughtfix-away> Hiiii!
Jul 07 05:13:41 * thoughtfix-away wanders back
Jul 07 05:13:50 <eugene> thoughtfix-away: hello
Jul 07 05:14:08 <thoughtfix> What's new?
Jul 07 05:14:31 <eugene> thoughtfix: i got kprobes working on n800.
Jul 07 05:14:41 <danilo_> What's new?!?!? N800 ROX! lol! =)
Jul 07 05:14:46 <eugene> this is going to be interesting :)
Jul 07 05:27:42 <thoughtfix> Neat
Jul 07 05:27:47 <thoughtfix> I am exporting my latest video
Jul 07 05:27:55 <thoughtfix> N800 YouTube and Orb again
Jul 07 05:33:38 <sri> hi there..
Jul 07 05:34:05 <sri> so, I'm trying to get my N800 reflashed because it seems to have this problem of constantly rebooting.
Jul 07 05:34:19 <sri> I was here a couple of weeks ago and someone gave me some advice about reflashing it.
Jul 07 05:34:25 <sri> but I can't seem to even get usb connection to it.
Jul 07 05:34:38 <sri> any suggestions?
Jul 07 05:34:57 <xruxa> what does it say? Using Windows flasher or linux?
Jul 07 05:35:05 <sri> linux flasher.
Jul 07 05:35:18 <xruxa> so what does it say? ;)
Jul 07 05:35:20 <sri> actually, let me look at the docs again..
Jul 07 05:35:21 <thoughtfix> 1: Charge it up. 2: Power it off. 3: Unplug the charger. 4: Plug it in via USB. 5: Hold down HOME while powering it back up and there will be a USB symbol in the top right on the Nokia flash page.
Jul 07 05:35:26 <thoughtfix> Then run your flasher.
Jul 07 05:35:28 <thoughtfix> In that order
Jul 07 05:35:32 <sri> thoughtfix: thanks.
Jul 07 05:35:41 <sri> xruxa: it doesn't say anything because I'm doing it wrong :)
Jul 07 05:36:22 <xruxa> its ok to run the flasher first, it will be waiting for the device, then reboot the device and in bootstrap it connects. Just make sure you run flasher as ROOT
Jul 07 05:38:24 <eugene> xruxa: yeah, or you waste another few more minutes :)
Jul 07 05:38:26 <sri> so one thing isthat I can' tturn it off.
Jul 07 05:38:49 <sri> I've tried ot drain the sucker, but I just can't seem to do it.
Jul 07 05:40:19 <xruxa> with the linux flasher you don't need to turn it off, if its rebooting while the flasher is waiting for the device it should connect
Jul 07 05:40:22 <thoughtfix> Remove the battery?
Jul 07 05:40:52 <sri> you know I looked everywhere and there are no proper instructions on how to remove that battery correctly.  It feels really scary to pry it oiut.
Jul 07 05:41:08 <thoughtfix> Wait ... on the N800?
Jul 07 05:41:13 <sri> xruxa: yes
Jul 07 05:41:18 <xruxa> cover off, then slap it against your palm. Do not try your nails ;)
Jul 07 05:41:53 <eugene> sri: i know how that feels :)
Jul 07 05:42:06 <sri> xruxa: hehe.. okayh, I'll try that. ;)
Jul 07 05:42:09 <thoughtfix> Wow
Jul 07 05:42:13 <eugene> sri: but do remove your battery the way you inserted it in :)
Jul 07 05:42:18 <thoughtfix> the firmware update story rocked the interwebs today
Jul 07 05:42:21 <thoughtfix> Made digg frontpage
Jul 07 05:42:25 <sri> gosh that was easy!
Jul 07 05:42:37 <thoughtfix> >13k visitors
Jul 07 05:42:51 <sri> yeah, my wife was excited (she's hte main user for the N800) about skype.
Jul 07 05:42:52 <xruxa> too bad the update was not quite on time, again :(
Jul 07 05:43:09 <eugene> sri: yeah, i know how that feels too ;)
Jul 07 05:43:38 <thoughtfix> 411 diggs
Jul 07 05:45:33 <eugene> were you expecting more?
Jul 07 05:46:03 <derf> Sadly, I just re-flashed two weeks ago.
Jul 07 05:47:46 <sri> how long does the flashing take?
Jul 07 05:48:02 <derf> The flashing itself doesn't take long.
Jul 07 05:48:18 <derf> It's the reinstalling all the applications part that takes forever.
Jul 07 05:51:20 <sri> yeah, luckily I need to do that.
Jul 07 05:51:33 <sri> I think there is some app that is drawing a lot of power
Jul 07 05:52:11 <sri> there is seems to be some power drain when in idle
Jul 07 05:52:25 <sri> because unused i don't think my n800 lasts more than 6-7 hours.
Jul 07 05:52:48 <derf> Mine doesn't, either.
Jul 07 05:57:32 <xruxa> the automatic restore (reinstall) after flashing might be coming, at least the application manager now makes backup of catalogues and packages
Jul 07 05:57:47 <sri> cool.. got it working :)
Jul 07 05:58:07 <sri> derf: it's probably because we fill it full of apps :)
Jul 07 05:58:18 <sri> frankly I think it is sshd
Jul 07 06:13:14 <Trencher> ...
Jul 07 06:13:39 <Trencher> dead room is DEAD
Jul 07 06:13:50 <eugene> ?
Jul 07 06:13:55 <Trencher> lol
Jul 07 06:14:09 <Trencher> is there a easy way to backup my entire device?
Jul 07 06:14:28 <Trencher> firmware and everything?
Jul 07 06:17:57 <xruxa> don't think there is
Jul 07 06:18:26 <Trencher> o well
Jul 07 06:18:30 <Trencher> this'll take all night
Jul 07 06:18:32 <Trencher> but THATS ok
Jul 07 06:18:33 <Trencher> lol
Jul 07 06:19:12 <xruxa> the normal backup/restore is good for normal user's data, not good for installed apps and hacks ;)
Jul 07 06:19:20 <Trencher> yeah
Jul 07 06:19:49 <Trencher> i want to pull off the whole install so i can go back to 2006 and see if i can get lxdoom and nethack BOTH to work in it
Jul 07 06:19:56 <Trencher> i really want lxdoom..
Jul 07 06:20:08 <Trencher> otherwise, no complaints about 2007he
Jul 07 06:20:20 <Trencher> except for the extreme random slowdown when connected to a network
Jul 07 06:21:16 <Trencher> can't wait till they upgrade it for flash 9
Jul 07 06:21:40 <sri> so clicking skype in the maemo menu gives me a forbidden web page.
Jul 07 06:22:11 <xruxa> updates to 3rd party SW for 2007HE are tricky :(
Jul 07 06:23:05 <Trencher> i'm sure.. massive patching needed
Jul 07 06:23:21 <sri> duh
Jul 07 06:23:27 <sri> I was loading it from teh web menu
Jul 07 06:23:29 <sri> moronic
Jul 07 06:23:57 <sri> it's okay to nod sadly :)
Jul 07 06:26:24 <Trencher> meh i'll deal w/o lxdoom
Jul 07 06:27:49 <eugene> what is lxdoom
Jul 07 06:27:52 <eugene> doom? game?
Jul 07 06:28:22 <Trencher> doom the game
Jul 07 06:28:33 <Trencher> comes with the shareware wad
Jul 07 06:28:38 <Trencher> but you can put the full version on
Jul 07 06:28:43 <Trencher> and possibly doom 2
Jul 07 06:28:57 <Trencher> maybe other games, but i'm not sure
Jul 07 06:29:06 <Trencher> i have a large amount of wads to test..
Jul 07 06:29:14 <Trencher> but i can't even get the thing to start
Jul 07 06:30:35 <eugene> nod
Jul 07 06:30:49 <melmoth> goood morning !
Jul 07 06:31:32 <eugene> good morning :)
Jul 07 06:31:58 <sri> funny.. apparently, I can't set my birthday to my year because 1970 is the minimum it will be set to.
Jul 07 06:32:05 <sri> 1970 being unix epoch..
Jul 07 06:32:45 <Trencher> :(
Jul 07 06:41:54 <sri> no worries.
Jul 07 07:02:48 <keesj> hi
Jul 07 07:18:22 <eugene> keesj: h
Jul 07 07:18:24 <eugene> i
Jul 07 08:27:17 <rhys> can anyone help me with google maps and maemo mapper?
Jul 07 08:44:39 <thoughtfix> kontarri is not here
Jul 07 08:44:44 <thoughtfix> damn ... just mentioned him on my blog
Jul 07 09:04:17 <rhys> thoughtfix, do you know of a word type program for maemo?
Jul 07 09:05:28 <rhys> documents2go kinda thing? i have evince and gnumeric, now i need the word type. and abiword crashes?
Jul 07 09:25:12 <Lounis> hi, please where can I found rtorrent and wget for the N800?
Jul 07 09:25:27 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 07 09:25:42 <Lounis> Morning
Jul 07 09:26:38 <Lounis> I know that rtorrent and wget exist on IT0S2007 but I can't found it
Jul 07 09:29:11 <`0660> wget would be nice
Jul 07 09:29:31 <`0660> opera crashes when downloading bigger files
Jul 07 09:30:55 <Lounis> wget and rtorrent exist, I'm sure cause I had them but I lost them when I flashed the last firmware
Jul 07 09:33:44 <Lounis> `0660, wget is here : http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=wget&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openp
Jul 07 09:33:44 <Lounis> sa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bproperty%5D=status&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B4%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&fetch=Fetch%21
Jul 07 09:33:50 <Lounis> sorry
Jul 07 09:34:23 <Lounis> here: http://mg.pov.lt/770/wget.install
Jul 07 09:35:25 <Lounis> and ctorrent: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ctorrent
Jul 07 09:35:56 <Jaffa> Hmm, anyone else have problems SSHing to their N800 (previous firmware)?
Jul 07 09:37:45 <Jaffa> Lots of timeouts and resets when trying to connect
Jul 07 09:41:01 <lardman> morning
Jul 07 09:41:44 <lardman> I see the ssh install in the new app catalogue is broken
Jul 07 09:43:25 <Jaffa> Everything install wise is broken. Package management's a mess.
Jul 07 09:43:49 <lardman> hmm, red pill mode works
Jul 07 09:44:00 <lardman> contrary to the ml posts
Jul 07 09:44:10 <rhys> word for maemo?
Jul 07 09:44:22 <Jaffa> rhys: best bet is Abiword
Jul 07 09:44:52 <rhys> i cant seem to find it
Jul 07 09:44:52 <eugene> http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html
Jul 07 09:45:34 <tko> hmm, I made a quick hack for 0xffff to build it on osx and got it to identify to device (almost, it thinks my n800 is 770) but neither it or flasher.macosx recognize the fiasco image :-(
Jul 07 09:46:07 <eugene> tko: 0xffff wasn't updated to think that n800 is n800, but it doesn't matter i guess.
Jul 07 09:46:15 <eugene> tko: worked fine for me though.
Jul 07 09:46:28 <tko> eugene: 0.2 release?
Jul 07 09:46:33 <eugene> yeah
Jul 07 09:47:00 <tko> :-/
Jul 07 09:48:52 <rhys> whereabouts is python?
Jul 07 09:49:15 <Jaffa> rhys: Google pymaemo
Jul 07 09:49:29 <rhys> kk
Jul 07 09:50:09 <Jaffa> eugene: easier generally to just install becomeroot.deb, I think
Jul 07 09:50:33 <Jaffa> Gah, I hate networking. I hate Windows and I hate troubleshooting wifi
Jul 07 09:50:50 <eugene> Jaffa: i find that enabling r&d mode is easier than straining your eyes and using your stylus to tap tap tap :) guess it's a matter of personal preference.
Jul 07 09:54:59 <Jaffa> eugene: true
Jul 07 09:56:28 <eugene> anyway, hopefully someone finds that link useful.
Jul 07 10:14:21 <lardman> bye
Jul 07 10:28:55 <eugene> Kprobes and Maemo (N800)
Jul 07 10:28:59 <eugene> http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/6172.html
Jul 07 10:29:12 <eugene> feedbacks welcomed :)
Jul 07 10:36:07 <Jaffa> koen|train: you doing a tour of Scotland?
Jul 07 12:07:53 <hrhr> have n800 the screen protector?
Jul 07 12:08:10 <hrhr> like most of ppc devices
Jul 07 12:08:13 <hrhr> ?
Jul 07 12:10:12 <hrhr> anybody alive?
Jul 07 12:10:21 <`0660> what's a ppc device?
Jul 07 12:10:52 <hrhr> PocketPC
Jul 07 12:10:59 <hrhr> eten,htc
Jul 07 12:11:59 <`0660> there's a soft cover and i think an official hard cover is coming to the market
Jul 07 12:14:14 <hrhr> `0660: soft cover - protective film?
Jul 07 12:22:37 <hrhr> '0660: what quality of n800 screen (I mean crash tests with keys, money in the pocket)
Jul 07 12:41:13 <johann__> hi
Jul 07 12:41:30 <eugene> hi
Jul 07 12:50:27 <`0660> hrhr, it's a cover for the whole device
Jul 07 12:50:38 <`0660> it has to be taken away before using the device
Jul 07 12:51:03 <`0660> i wouldn't put the device in a pocket with keys and coins
Jul 07 13:13:12 <hrhr> `0660: how about scratchs on screen?
Jul 07 13:23:10 <pupnik_> get a case
Jul 07 13:28:32 <hrhr> pupnik_: stylust taps not leave scretchs?
Jul 07 13:28:45 <pupnik_> correct
Jul 07 13:29:02 <pupnik_> it's a very advanced screen
Jul 07 13:29:07 <pupnik_> i forgot the chemical name
Jul 07 13:31:05 <hrhr> pupnik_: in zaurus I scratched screen by it's stylus
Jul 07 13:31:07 <hrhr> =(
Jul 07 14:02:51 <koos> odd, I can't find a good '#ifdef __ARM..' define. What could that be?
Jul 07 14:13:58 <pupnik_> ?
Jul 07 14:14:26 <koos> pupnik_: the define I'm compiling for arm
Jul 07 14:16:05 <koos> btw, is there a way to let cpp dump all default defines it has?
Jul 07 14:16:43 <pupnik_> don't know
Jul 07 14:23:01 <koos> ah, 'gcc -dM -E foo.c'
Jul 07 14:23:36 <koos> so its __ARMEL__
Jul 07 14:25:16 <pupnik_> whoah look at all thost defines!
Jul 07 14:25:53 <pupnik_> roughly 1000
Jul 07 14:42:04 <pupnik_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqm7aRGctig  "All the rest of them basically lie when they take their oaths of office"
Jul 07 14:44:04 <koos> pupnik_: have you already bora3.2? and has flash indeed improved?
Jul 07 14:48:58 <Molagi> can i download the newest OS by using the update manager?
Jul 07 14:52:44 <dragorn> Molagi: No, you have to reflash the entire device (and re-install everything you've added)
Jul 07 14:53:41 <Molagi> ;O
Jul 07 14:55:57 <pupnik_> i have a 770 with 2007HE
Jul 07 14:57:04 <Tu13es> any suggestions for streaming media players besides Media Streamer?
Jul 07 14:57:46 <pupnik_> mplayer can stream
Jul 07 14:59:00 <Tu13es> hmm
Jul 07 14:59:11 <Tu13es> will it browse my stuffs? I set up a server with Twonky
Jul 07 14:59:22 <pupnik_> no
Jul 07 15:03:47 <Tu13es> ah, canola does it
Jul 07 15:03:51 <Tu13es> duh
Jul 07 15:06:01 <unique311> video playback on youtube is cool....but youo have to pretty much wait for the whole video to DL to view it properly
Jul 07 15:09:17 <koos> unique311:odd, or have you a slow connection?
Jul 07 15:09:35 <unique311> i have a fast connection...
Jul 07 15:09:52 <unique311> same thing with google video
Jul 07 15:10:24 <unique311> thoughtfix has a post on the issue on maemo.org
Jul 07 15:10:53 <eugene> i'm amused.
Jul 07 15:11:12 <unique311> 'about?
Jul 07 15:11:13 <eugene> i'm amused by the way skype starts, and exits.
Jul 07 15:11:50 <unique311> all the hype about skype, and Gizmo does pretty much the same thing
Jul 07 15:11:56 <unique311> kinda mad
Jul 07 15:12:11 <eugene> it seems that the binaries skype provided have no proper way of exiting their application. i really wonder if they do de-allocate the resources it uses.
Jul 07 15:12:20 <unique311> nokia should of spent the time on java for this new firmware update
Jul 07 15:12:52 <eugene> unique311: ...
Jul 07 15:13:43 <eugene> skype, gizmo, java, firmware update. these are all different things. i am not sure what you are talking about :)
Jul 07 15:13:49 <pupnik_> yeah unique311 it's hype.  Also a good name.  When a product has a slick name, it sells.
Jul 07 15:15:50 <Jaffa> eugene: how does Skype start and exit?
Jul 07 15:16:07 <eugene> Jaffa: i'm blogging about it. hold on.
Jul 07 15:18:13 <unique311> streetview is a nice feature for googlemaps..that require flash 9, and that doesn't seem to work........
Jul 07 15:18:23 <unique311> wonder if its a browser problem...
Jul 07 15:19:01 <eugene> Jaffa: btw i like your website design :)
Jul 07 15:19:03 <unique311> next firmware update hype is going to be (updated opera browser
Jul 07 15:20:14 <Molagi> fuck
Jul 07 15:20:18 <Molagi> download timed out
Jul 07 15:20:25 <Molagi> now i gotta wait this 15minutes again
Jul 07 15:20:43 <Jaffa> eugene: ta :-)
Jul 07 15:20:53 <eugene> :)
Jul 07 15:21:24 <Tu13es> i just tested skype and gizmo with a mobile phone and both were just about the same
Jul 07 15:22:17 <unique311> yup
Jul 07 15:22:54 <unique311> made a call on on gizmo. clear as feck
Jul 07 15:23:05 <Tu13es> yeah
Jul 07 15:23:10 <Tu13es> now i just need to decide which to use
Jul 07 15:23:15 <unique311> lol
Jul 07 15:23:33 <unique311> have more friends on skype..
Jul 07 15:23:48 <unique311> call wise gizmo sells 20 dollars cards........
Jul 07 15:23:58 <unique311> and you get 1000 minutes i think
Jul 07 15:24:02 <unique311> or was it 5000
Jul 07 15:24:39 <Tu13es> yeah, gizmo is 1.9cpm where skype is i think 2.1 or so with a 3.9 cent connetion fee
Jul 07 15:24:44 <Tu13es> i really don't like the gizmo software though
Jul 07 15:24:48 <Tu13es> seems soo bloate
Jul 07 15:24:48 <Tu13es> d
Jul 07 15:26:48 <unique311> no call out plan for gizmo
Jul 07 15:27:16 <unique311> major difference.
Jul 07 15:28:08 <gomiam> discussing whether to use Skype or Gizmo, are you?
Jul 07 15:28:24 <unique311> well
Jul 07 15:28:31 <Tu13es> essentially, gomiam
Jul 07 15:29:02 <gomiam> well, I'll keep both at hand, and use each one as my needs require :-)
Jul 07 15:29:07 <gomiam> end of the problem-
Jul 07 15:29:16 <Tu13es> yeah, but I need to decide which to spend money on
Jul 07 15:29:29 <gomiam> mmm... none :-D
Jul 07 15:29:30 <Tu13es> unique311: you mean no unlimited call out plan?
Jul 07 15:29:31 <unique311> skype with the plans...
Jul 07 15:29:34 <unique311> skype pro
Jul 07 15:29:43 <unique311> yes
Jul 07 15:29:45 <Tu13es> skype pro is only free for landlines :(
Jul 07 15:29:54 <gomiam> I already have a bit of money in Skype, but that's just because my mother uses it to call to Brasil
Jul 07 15:30:18 <gomiam> If I were to use something right now I would try to go through VoIPBuster
Jul 07 15:30:31 <Tu13es> I'd have to talk for 23 hours on Skype for the unlimited calling thing to be worth it
Jul 07 15:30:37 <gomiam> (not that there is a Maemo client, though)
Jul 07 15:30:45 <gomiam> 23 hours?
Jul 07 15:30:47 <gomiam> mmm....
Jul 07 15:31:01 <gomiam> I guess my mother could run that up quite quickly :-D
Jul 07 15:31:19 <Tu13es> 23 hours assuming 2.1 cents per minute
Jul 07 15:31:29 <Tu13es> hrm, though there's that connection fee too
Jul 07 15:31:34 <gomiam> then again, I already have flat-rate to Spanish land-lines, so it makes little sense.
Jul 07 15:31:49 <gomiam> 23 hours in a period of... how long?
Jul 07 15:31:53 <gomiam> a month?
Jul 07 15:32:00 <Tu13es> a year
Jul 07 15:32:00 <Tu13es> heh
Jul 07 15:32:08 <gomiam> a _year_?
Jul 07 15:32:17 <gomiam> and you are still worryinh?
Jul 07 15:32:23 <gomiam> s/nh/ng/
Jul 07 15:32:23 <infobot_> gomiam meant: and you are still worrying?
Jul 07 15:32:31 <unique311> i miss skypes year free landlines promotion...
Jul 07 15:33:04 <unique311> that would definitely come in handy right now.
Jul 07 15:33:13 <Tu13es> i have a bad habit of spending money on these VoIP services and not using them
Jul 07 15:33:24 <Tu13es> I bought a SkypeIn number in Sept and didn't use it much
Jul 07 15:33:34 <Tu13es> also bought a Area775 number from Gizmo which I ended up cancelling
Jul 07 15:33:39 <unique311> but at 29 dollars for the year
Jul 07 15:34:23 <unique311> i will be purchasing a 2 or 3 year plan
Jul 07 15:34:24 <Jaffa> Right, time to reflash, I think
Jul 07 15:34:28 <danilo__> Someone knows if exists a risk like's game for Maemo?
Jul 07 15:34:29 <Tu13es> i'm not saying it's not a good deal, I'm just debating whether it's worth it for me or not
Jul 07 15:35:01 <danilo__> I try to find one on google, but I did't find any
Jul 07 15:35:57 <gomiam> risk for maemo...
Jul 07 15:36:02 <gomiam> let me check just in case
Jul 07 15:36:05 <unique311> try to find a linux version of it with the source....and compile
Jul 07 15:36:17 * rwhitby uses gizmo simply due to the skype EULA which states that Skype can use *your* computer to route *other* people's calls.
Jul 07 15:36:49 <unique311> found one....but requires java
Jul 07 15:36:54 <danilo__> Yes... I found one... TEG...
Jul 07 15:36:54 <gomiam> rwhitby: and that term is a problem... why?
Jul 07 15:36:59 <danilo__> with the sources...
Jul 07 15:36:59 <hrhr> how about skype for n800?
Jul 07 15:37:10 <unique311> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/GAMES-ENTERTAINMENT/TBS/Risk-4922.shtml
Jul 07 15:37:52 <Jaffa> rwhitby: that's entirely the point of Skype: it's a P2P protocol.
Jul 07 15:38:06 <unique311> http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/6/risk.html
Jul 07 15:38:13 <Jaffa> That's how it can easily bypass firewalls/NAT etc. by using others' systems which are in the clear as a bridge.
Jul 07 15:38:14 <danilo__> unique311, I found a version named "Teg". but the compilation process was not successful
Jul 07 15:38:26 <unique311> keep at it...
Jul 07 15:38:45 <unique311> with every error...google a solution
Jul 07 15:39:17 <rwhitby> gomiam: cause I pay for my bandwidth
Jul 07 15:39:37 <unique311> was the failure due to dependencies? danilo__
Jul 07 15:39:37 <rwhitby> Jaffa: a proprietary P2P protocol at that ...
Jul 07 15:39:46 <Jaffa> rwhitby: indeed
Jul 07 15:39:52 <danilo__> unique311, Yes, I know.... lol....
Jul 07 15:39:59 <gomiam> rwhitby: so you want to have good connection and quality service, but not to help others get the same
Jul 07 15:40:12 <gomiam> I hope you don't use Bittorrent or eMule
Jul 07 15:40:20 <gomiam> because it's the same
Jul 07 15:40:29 <rwhitby> gomiam: actually, I don't.
Jul 07 15:40:36 <gomiam> anyway, if you like it that way, it's your choice
Jul 07 15:40:39 <rwhitby> but I'm not forcing that choice on anyone else.
Jul 07 15:40:45 <unique311> danilo__, so what were the failures from , dependencies?
Jul 07 15:40:54 <danilo__> unique311, I dont remember. But I think it was....
Jul 07 15:41:16 <rwhitby> (i.e. I didn't say that anyone else shouldn't use skype, I just educated those people who may not have read the EULA closely)
Jul 07 15:41:17 <danilo__> I'm  not on my machine now, but I will test it again later.
Jul 07 15:42:27 <gomiam> The N800 has Java support right?
Jul 07 15:42:36 <danilo__> rwhitby, Some problems with Skype's EULA?
Jul 07 15:42:39 <gomiam> (I just never thought about it until now)
Jul 07 15:42:48 <unique311> wonder whats the stats on users actually reading the EULA before installing and  using an app
Jul 07 15:42:49 <danilo__> gomiam, I think not...
Jul 07 15:42:52 <gomiam> danilo__: he doesn't like P2P
Jul 07 15:43:01 <gomiam> so he won't use it.
Jul 07 15:43:01 <unique311> guilty of not doing so....
Jul 07 15:43:14 <rwhitby> gomiam: P2P is fine when it is a conscious choice.
Jul 07 15:43:28 <danilo__> gomiam, and why it is a problem?
Jul 07 15:43:39 <gomiam> rwhitby: erm... and where exactly does Skype not tell you it is a P2P application?
Jul 07 15:43:54 <gomiam> because I knew from day one
Jul 07 15:43:55 <rwhitby> it's the proprietary nature of the protocol, which means zero interoperability, which is my real problem with skype
Jul 07 15:44:09 <rwhitby> gomiam: not doubting you - you seem to be very well informed.
Jul 07 15:44:13 <gomiam> oh, but the Skype protocol has already been rev-eng'd
Jul 07 15:44:37 <rwhitby> gomiam: yes, but they can change it whenever they want
Jul 07 15:44:49 <gomiam> no, they actually would have quite a problem
Jul 07 15:45:01 <gomiam> it's not so easy to update the whole infrastructure
Jul 07 15:45:22 <gomiam> anyway, there's always OpenWengo
Jul 07 15:45:29 <gomiam> if Skype gets too obnoxious
Jul 07 15:45:31 <gomiam> :-)
Jul 07 15:45:31 <rwhitby> sure they can, over time.  each skype client updates itself.  it has full control over your computer, remember (that's in the EULA)
Jul 07 15:45:47 <danilo__> gomiam, OpenWengo works fine on N800?
Jul 07 15:45:58 <rwhitby> yeah, an open source SIP client is better than Gizmo anyway (Gizmo is closed source)
Jul 07 15:46:00 <gomiam> danilo__: I don't know whether it is ported yet
Jul 07 15:46:12 <gomiam> but it should be relatively simple, I think.
Jul 07 15:46:17 <rwhitby> open source and open protocol is best in my mind.
Jul 07 15:47:01 <Tu13es> hm, I am very impressed with how good the n800 microphone sounds
Jul 07 15:47:13 <eugene> Jaffa: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/6532.html
Jul 07 15:47:17 <danilo__> Tu13es, I'm very impressed with it too....
Jul 07 15:47:22 <gnuite> Has anyone else had problems with xephyr crashing (seg fault) with maemo 3.2?  It happens whenever I try to run the "af-sb-init.sh start" command...
Jul 07 15:47:44 <gomiam> gnuite: not me. What is xephyr?
Jul 07 15:47:54 <Jaffa> eugene: weird
Jul 07 15:47:59 <eugene> Jaffa: most weird.
Jul 07 15:49:00 <rwhitby> gomiam: the interesting thing is that I did a side-by-side comparison of skype and gizmo from Australia to the USA (both clients on the same n800 and PC at each end), and gizmo had the better sound clarity.
Jul 07 15:49:03 <rwhitby> go figure.
Jul 07 15:49:06 <danilo__> Tu13es, I'd never used it before. But now, with skype, things are little differences..
Jul 07 15:49:30 <Tu13es> gizmo definitely sounds louder from what i just tried
Jul 07 15:49:35 <gomiam> rwhitby: _that_ is information I would take into account :-)
Jul 07 15:49:37 <Tu13es> I had major lag issues in the past though
Jul 07 15:49:55 <gomiam> when I talked with eugene on Skype we had quite good audio
Jul 07 15:49:59 <gomiam> so YMMV
Jul 07 15:50:04 <eugene> hehe
Jul 07 15:50:15 <eugene> gomiam: do you still have the backup url you gave me last night?
Jul 07 15:50:19 <rwhitby> gomiam: dunno whether it's skype in general, whether it's skype over trans-pacific links, or whether it's just skype on the n800 at fault
Jul 07 15:50:28 <gomiam> eugene: which one?
Jul 07 15:50:33 <Tu13es> which forced me to cancel my area775 number
Jul 07 15:50:34 <danilo__> rwhitby, May be, but Who use it? Its works fine with edge?! I think that sound clarity is not the only thing that we need to see...
Jul 07 15:50:36 <eugene> gomiam: the best one :)
Jul 07 15:50:40 <Jaffa> Everyone else must have more international friends than me. I just use the phone (landline or mobile ;-))
Jul 07 15:50:43 <gomiam> yes
Jul 07 15:50:44 <gomiam> hold on
Jul 07 15:50:52 <gomiam> customizing what gets backed up on the internet tablets (workaround for bug #974) « internet tablet mania
Jul 07 15:50:54 <gomiam> ouch :-D
Jul 07 15:51:03 <gomiam> customizing what gets backed up on the internet tablets (workaround for bug #974) « internet tablet mania
Jul 07 15:51:05 <gomiam> damn
Jul 07 15:51:11 <gomiam> http://internettabletmania.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/customizing-what-gets-backed-up-on-the-internet-tablets-workaround-for-bug-974/
Jul 07 15:51:12 <gomiam> now
Jul 07 15:51:15 <rwhitby> danilo__: just giving my personal experience as a data point.  your mileage will vary.
Jul 07 15:51:40 <eugene> gomiam: i wonder if i should use back wordpress or livejournal...
Jul 07 15:51:55 <gomiam> eugene: mmm.... you may want to.
Jul 07 15:52:14 <gomiam> somehow I don't think they will use the backup system
Jul 07 15:53:03 <gomiam> btw, has anybody here had success using the aircrack-ng suite?
Jul 07 15:53:05 <eugene> oh yeah, just in case anyone interested in this: Kprobes and Maemo (N800). check out http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/6172.html
Jul 07 15:53:16 <gomiam> (mainly the injection part)
Jul 07 15:54:04 <dragorn> gomiam: injection is not possible with the buildin card
Jul 07 15:54:08 <dragorn> built-in even
Jul 07 15:54:15 <danilo__> gomiam, I think that nobody uses WEP anymore... lol
Jul 07 15:54:18 <gomiam> ouch, damn
Jul 07 15:54:28 <gomiam> danilo__: you would be surprised
Jul 07 15:54:31 <dragorn> it's rejected by the binary part of the drivers
Jul 07 15:54:43 <gomiam> here in Spain it still is the default for several ISPs
Jul 07 15:55:03 <dragorn> get host mode working and use a usb card
Jul 07 15:55:14 <eugene> hehe no one is interested :)
Jul 07 15:55:30 <Jaffa> gomiam: no, but they I could never be bothered to decode the instructions for either the "proper" or the Maemo version
Jul 07 15:55:55 <gomiam> (other ISPs simply don't even care about putting encryption on their WiFi routers :-D )
Jul 07 15:56:43 <gomiam> Jaffa: I was able to understand the instructions... kind of :-D
Jul 07 15:57:19 <Tu13es> anyone know what version of Opera the n800 uses?
Jul 07 15:57:50 <gomiam> on an aside, the main problem with getting OpenWengo on Maemo seems to be the Tapioca codec
Jul 07 15:57:59 <gomiam> and there's a project on sourceforge for it.
Jul 07 15:58:24 <gomiam> ouch, erase that
Jul 07 15:58:29 <gomiam> I got misled, it seems
Jul 07 15:58:30 <Jaffa> gomiam: I'm sufficiently lazy that I wanted a "click here to start grabbing packets, looking for the appropriate things and attempting to decrypt" button.
Jul 07 15:58:44 <danilo__> gomiam, I dont know. Here in my city (Curitiba - Brazil), I dont see WEP's ISPS anymore...
Jul 07 15:58:46 <Jaffa> Tu13es: 8.5 IIRC
Jul 07 15:59:08 <gomiam> Jaffa: something like kismet? :-)
Jul 07 16:01:24 <Jaffa> gomiam: kismet's just a "show me what networks are broadcasting" AFAIK...
Jul 07 16:01:49 <danilo__> gomiam, how many seconds aircrack spends to break WEP on Maemo?
Jul 07 16:01:50 <gomiam> Jaffa: it is also able of WEP crack IIRC
Jul 07 16:01:50 <_Monkey> okay, gomiam.
Jul 07 16:02:12 <gomiam> danilo__: no idea, I haven't collected enough packets yet :-)
Jul 07 16:02:23 <Jaffa> gomiam: oh, how?
Jul 07 16:02:55 <gomiam> give me a second :-)
Jul 07 16:02:57 <milhouse> it?
Jul 07 16:02:57 <_Monkey> or able of WEP crack IIRC
Jul 07 16:03:02 <milhouse> forget it
Jul 07 16:03:02 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot it
Jul 07 16:03:04 <danilo__> gomiam,  I will put my AP into WEP mode today and will test it.... Just for curiosity lol
Jul 07 16:03:53 <gomiam> I would do the same, danilo__ (I have two WiFi routers gathering dust here), but I'm supposed to be studying :-)
Jul 07 16:04:44 <gomiam> Jaffa, it seems I was mistaken. The Kismet main site says nothing about cracking :-(
Jul 07 16:05:01 <gomiam> argh
Jul 07 16:05:05 <gomiam> today I'm really dense
Jul 07 16:05:09 <gomiam> http://www.kismetwireless.net/
Jul 07 16:05:14 <gomiam> read the Feauter list
Jul 07 16:05:23 <pupnik_> Kismet just collects packets and scans.
Jul 07 16:05:28 <gomiam> "Runtime decoding of WEP packets for known networks"
Jul 07 16:05:35 <danilo__> Studying.. But you are studying: Wifi security lol
Jul 07 16:05:50 <gomiam> I made the mistake of thinking that meant cracking networks
Jul 07 16:05:55 <gomiam> and it doesn't
Jul 07 16:05:56 <gomiam> bleh
Jul 07 16:06:11 <Jaffa> So, I do want an easy way ;-)
Jul 07 16:06:20 <gomiam> :-D
Jul 07 16:07:13 <gomiam> you youngsters want everything easy. In my days we decoded WEP by picking the signal with a fork between index and thumb.
Jul 07 16:07:15 <gomiam> ;-P
Jul 07 16:08:03 <keesj> :p
Jul 07 16:08:12 <gomiam> ok, so I currently know no easy way to crack WEP
Jul 07 16:08:48 <Jaffa> gomiam: feh, when I was young we dreamt about 1200 baud modems and acoustic couplers and longed to get on to Micronet or Prestel.
Jul 07 16:09:00 <Jaffa> Well, I did. But then I was a geeky kid...
Jul 07 16:09:30 <gomiam> Jaffa: _I_ started connecting to BBSs with a 1200 bps modem :-)
Jul 07 16:09:32 <keesj> When I was young we draemt about color tv
Jul 07 16:09:55 <gomiam> before that I had to shout the connection codes at my phone microphone :-P
Jul 07 16:10:08 <gomiam> well, enough with the offtopic for me
Jul 07 16:10:11 <keesj> O an i first connected to a bbs usinb ax25
Jul 07 16:10:52 <gomiam> I feel your pain, keesj
Jul 07 16:10:56 <keesj> priririp tong tong tong prgrrrrrrr
Jul 07 16:10:57 <gomiam> :-D
Jul 07 16:11:29 <keesj> gomiam: I was realy funny to actualy see the packets being sent ,
Jul 07 16:12:59 <gomiam> that's what you get from having an oscilloscope
Jul 07 16:13:30 <milhouse> hmmm... anyone having trouble with upgrading to sardine on the device? since at least wednesday it's been crapping out while "Unpacking replacement osso-thumbnail0"
Jul 07 16:13:40 <gomiam> btw, what's the use of the push-button on the N800 earplug-with microphone?
Jul 07 16:13:43 * pupnik_ kept his 1200bps modem as a memento
Jul 07 16:13:44 <milhouse> same error every day
Jul 07 16:14:19 <milhouse> pupnik - you were trying to train _monkey earlier (libsdl-net)... you need to tell it forget the existing factoid before it will learn a new one
Jul 07 16:14:32 <pupnik_> how to tell it to forget?
Jul 07 16:14:44 <milhouse> eg. forget libsdl-net
Jul 07 16:14:59 <pupnik> forget libsdl-net
Jul 07 16:15:00 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot libsdl-net
Jul 07 16:15:07 <milhouse> now it's ready to learn a new one :)
Jul 07 16:15:34 <pupnik> libsdl-net is http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb (IT2006, but works on 2007)
Jul 07 16:15:54 <milhouse> libsdl-net
Jul 07 16:15:55 <_Monkey> somebody said libsdl-net was http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb (IT2006, but works on 2007)
Jul 07 16:17:07 <milhouse> there's another way to replace factoids, which is to say "no, _monkey, libsdl-net is ..."
Jul 07 16:17:25 <milhouse> all in the guide... http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html
Jul 07 16:17:37 <eugene> good night
Jul 07 16:17:38 <pupnik> cool beans.  people not using it much yet, but it can save me typing
Jul 07 16:17:40 <pupnik> cu eugene
Jul 07 16:17:44 <eugene> cu
Jul 07 16:17:52 <milhouse> cya eugene
Jul 07 16:18:00 <eugene> cya
Jul 07 16:18:08 <milhouse> yeah, as it learns it will become more useful, or entertaining, or annoying...
Jul 07 16:18:11 <keesj> but I started programming pic's only a week-ago
Jul 07 16:19:18 <keesj> So at 32 years of age you will see ma as happy pingus looking at a blinking led (look no computer)
Jul 07 16:19:30 <k-s> :-P
Jul 07 16:20:43 <milhouse> anyone got any idea what's going on with sardine ?
Jul 07 16:20:54 <milhouse> device upgrade is borked :(
Jul 07 16:21:11 <gomiam> has anybody used the Gizmo conference procedure?
Jul 07 16:21:30 <keesj> btw the software upgrade fixed my screen
Jul 07 16:21:45 <rwhitby> gomiam: yeah, it doesn't seem to work too well.  I can only recommend gizmo for point to point.
Jul 07 16:21:58 <rwhitby> (at least for trans-pacific calls)
Jul 07 16:21:58 <milhouse> quite often clicks on buttons fail to register for me since the upgrade to 4.2007
Jul 07 16:22:20 <gomiam> ok, thanks. The Party line is a cricket house, anyway.
Jul 07 16:23:12 <milhouse> this should cheer Sony up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6275728.stm
Jul 07 16:23:15 <keesj> gomiam: yes, the party line is awfull
Jul 07 16:23:52 <gomiam> right now someone put some salsa music to "mix" with the lot of paused call sounds
Jul 07 16:30:12 <keesj> I just don't want to run 4 different chat/calling programs, I will try skype for a while. is there an option to start it a boot time?)
Jul 07 16:34:42 <milhouse> do you have to have skype running to receive a call?
Jul 07 16:35:29 <keesj> I guess so yes
Jul 07 16:35:30 <Molagi> is there a motion detector camera for n800?
Jul 07 16:35:45 <`0660> not if you keep your cell phone with you
Jul 07 16:35:47 <keesj> Molagi: the montion package is know to work on it
Jul 07 16:35:49 <milhouse> keesj - in that case, it doesn't seem possible to start it at boot which seems an incredibly stupid omission
Jul 07 16:36:16 <Molagi> ok
Jul 07 16:36:26 <Molagi> where can i download this thing
Jul 07 16:36:35 <keesj> perhaps there is a taskbar plugin?
Jul 07 16:36:38 <milhouse> keesj - try calling neil-macleod, i don't have skype running
Jul 07 16:37:42 <`0660> shit, it does not reconnect automatically if the device has been disconnect from the network
Jul 07 16:37:59 <milhouse> keesj - nothing listed in Control Panel -> Navigation
Jul 07 16:38:19 <milhouse> maybe they're using the Presence status bar icon (would make sense to use it)
Jul 07 16:38:21 <keesj> milhouse: guess what you are not online :p
Jul 07 16:38:25 <milhouse> damn
Jul 07 16:38:29 <milhouse> that's so crap
Jul 07 16:38:45 <keesj> skype has always been like that
Jul 07 16:38:48 <milhouse> maybe integration will follow in a future update
Jul 07 16:38:58 <milhouse> at least Google Talk is integrated
Jul 07 16:38:59 <`0660> hmm, now it did do that. this is confusing :)
Jul 07 16:39:16 <keesj> perhaps a nice media project to work on ? http://wiki.linuxmce.com/index.php/Screenshots
Jul 07 16:39:58 <milhouse> The "Accounts" section should include Skype and allow you to add your skype email addy
Jul 07 16:40:08 <Jaffa> Hmm. Restoring settings from backup (first time I've ever done that) has nicely restored my network connections, forgotten my BT devices and seriously mucked up the theming.
Jul 07 16:40:12 <milhouse> this would then work with the Presence icon
Jul 07 16:40:18 <Jaffa> Unfortunately, switching from one theme to another doesn't fix it.
Jul 07 16:40:25 <keesj> milhouse: I don't think it should all be integrated
Jul 07 16:40:38 <pupnik> Somebody make DrPocketSNES work on Nokia. :)  Needs some filehandling work, and a framebuffer or SDL output.
Jul 07 16:40:39 <milhouse> I'd rather have one Presence icon than two
Jul 07 16:40:55 <milhouse> and one way of doing something, than two different ways
Jul 07 16:41:14 <milhouse> "integration" to me means that Skype should be able to extend existing functionality
Jul 07 16:41:25 <milhouse> and the same goes for Gizmo etc.
Jul 07 16:41:44 <milhouse> One Accounts management dialog, one Presence dialog etc.
Jul 07 16:41:55 <milhouse> 3 different voip apps :)
Jul 07 16:42:22 <gomiam> "three VoIP apps for the geeks in their hallowed basements..." :-D
Jul 07 16:42:40 <milhouse> "and with nobody to talk to"
Jul 07 16:42:52 <milhouse> ;)
Jul 07 16:42:52 <`0660> :p
Jul 07 16:43:28 <gomiam> (now, if I could only thing of a way to make a whole One Ring verse a la Tolkien...)
Jul 07 16:47:07 <keesj> Jaffa: what theme are you using?
Jul 07 16:49:08 <Molagi> hmm it seems i cant download the python
Jul 07 16:49:14 <Molagi> or install
Jul 07 16:49:38 <Jaffa> keesj: I was using Plantkon, but now it's running any of the built-in ones to no effect
Jul 07 16:50:15 <keesj>  /finger Molagi | grep device
Jul 07 16:51:13 <keesj> Molagi: I installed on on 4.2007 yesterday using the "one click install"
Jul 07 16:51:17 <gomiam> hey, no fingering here, this  is a decent channel
Jul 07 16:51:18 <Jaffa> Hmm, anyone else having problems gettingmaemo-hackers.org's xterm?
Jul 07 16:51:39 <gomiam> Jaffa: is that the osso-xterm package?
Jul 07 16:51:43 <Jaffa> yeah
Jul 07 16:51:49 <gomiam> well, it works for me
Jul 07 16:52:05 <Jaffa> http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install is timing out here
Jul 07 16:52:06 <keesj> Jaffa: it installed the lame-xterm for me
Jul 07 16:52:19 <gomiam> Jaffa: I used the application manager O:-)
Jul 07 16:52:33 <danilo__> maemo-hackers website is working?
Jul 07 16:54:17 <gomiam> it probably did yesterday, since I was able to get osso-xterm installed
Jul 07 16:56:02 <keesj> gomiam: is it the hackers xterm with the menu on the right?
Jul 07 16:56:04 * thoughtfix wanders back again
Jul 07 16:56:09 <Jaffa> keesj: yeah
Jul 07 16:56:28 <keesj> Jaffa: what?
Jul 07 16:56:41 <Jaffa> It's the hackers xterm with the menu on the right
Jul 07 16:56:46 <gomiam> I think so, with Pg Up, Pg Down, and the like
Jul 07 16:57:52 <gomiam> osso-xterm version 0.13.mh24bora1
Jul 07 16:57:57 <thoughtfix> Yikes. 10 AM and it's already 100F outside
Jul 07 16:58:08 <gomiam> that mh would mean it's a maemo-hackers' package.
Jul 07 17:00:16 <gomiam> yup
Jul 07 17:00:27 <danilo__> Someone know where get the airodump package?
Jul 07 17:00:30 <gomiam> it's from the maemo-hackers.org bora repository
Jul 07 17:00:36 <gomiam> let me check
Jul 07 17:00:41 <Molagi> ok
Jul 07 17:01:00 <Jaffa> Ah, reinstalling hildon-theme-cacher and plankton sorted it
Jul 07 17:02:25 <gomiam> http://www.komputika.net/maemo/index.php?search=aircrack&dir=&searchMode=f
Jul 07 17:02:33 <gomiam> that's the download site for aircrack-ng
Jul 07 17:02:45 <rgriffit> flashed the new firmware tNickServ IDENTIFY <password>
Jul 07 17:02:45 <rgriffit> (09:59:59 AM) NickServ: (notice) Unknown command [fougtare]
Jul 07 17:02:45 <rgriffit> (10:00:24 AM) NickServ: (notice) Unknown command [richardg1952]
Jul 07 17:02:59 <gomiam> and http://www.komputika.net/maemo/index.php?dir=./&file=aircrack-ng_0.5-1mad_armel.deb is the package URL
Jul 07 17:03:06 <danilo__> I think that maemo-hackers website is offline. Someone can  confirm it?
Jul 07 17:03:28 <gomiam> if you are going to download it with wget, remember to enclose that URL in quotes
Jul 07 17:03:46 <gomiam> maemo-hackers.org doesn't answer my queries either
Jul 07 17:03:55 <gomiam> checking through apt-get update...
Jul 07 17:04:08 <milhouse> hmm... new opera is pretty flakey on youtube - crashes maybe  1 in 4 pages
Jul 07 17:04:38 <milhouse> so far always when going back through the history
Jul 07 17:05:28 <rgriffit> app manager is hanging after installing new n800 firmware. anyone else seeing this?
Jul 07 17:05:31 <gomiam> it looks like the M-H site got locked.
Jul 07 17:05:48 <gomiam> rgriffit: does it hang just after installing an app?
Jul 07 17:06:26 <rgriffit> no, works until I reboot. then it hangs on open. i reflashed twice - same result
Jul 07 17:06:45 <gomiam> how many repositories do you have, rgriffit?
Jul 07 17:07:28 <gomiam> in my case, it had something to do with having too many installable applications
Jul 07 17:07:31 <rgriffit> hmmm, can't see them now to count, but I'd guess at least a dozen
Jul 07 17:07:48 <gomiam> I had to go and install through every option except "all"
Jul 07 17:08:03 <gomiam> until the installable list was short enough
Jul 07 17:08:20 <rgriffit> is there something I can edit through xterm?
Jul 07 17:08:29 <gomiam> (by then, though, I already had osso-xterm and becomeroot installed, and could use apt-get)
Jul 07 17:08:31 <gomiam> yup
Jul 07 17:08:42 <gomiam> the repositories list is stored at /etc/apt/sources.list
Jul 07 17:08:54 <rgriffit> i'll try reducing it
Jul 07 17:08:58 <gomiam> you need root access to edit it, though
Jul 07 17:09:05 <rgriffit> got it
Jul 07 17:09:09 <gomiam> good
Jul 07 17:09:14 <gomiam> then try an apt-get update
Jul 07 17:09:18 <gomiam> and apt-get upgrade
Jul 07 17:09:25 <gomiam> before touching the sources.list file
Jul 07 17:09:38 <gomiam> apt-get update should complain about faulty repositories
Jul 07 17:09:46 <gomiam> (if there's any)
Jul 07 17:11:06 <rgriffit> sudo gainroot is failing. Is there any other way to switch to root?
Jul 07 17:11:15 <gomiam> !?
Jul 07 17:11:16 <Jaffa> "Failing"?
Jul 07 17:11:24 <gomiam> do you have the becomeroot package installed?
Jul 07 17:11:39 <gomiam> otherwise you can try and install openssh-installer
Jul 07 17:11:39 <Jaffa> rgriffit: you need to enable R&D mode from a desktop PC or install the becomeroot package
Jul 07 17:11:43 <gomiam> and get through ssh
Jul 07 17:11:54 <rgriffit> sudo: unable to lookup Nokia-N800-26 via gethostbyname()
Jul 07 17:12:23 <gomiam> !?
Jul 07 17:12:26 <gomiam> that's new
Jul 07 17:13:06 <gomiam> try and install dropbear
Jul 07 17:13:13 <gomiam> so you can ssh in the system
Jul 07 17:13:50 <rgriffit> I guess I need to reflash again since app manager doesn't work and apt-get needs root permissions
Jul 07 17:14:25 <gomiam> yup, it looks like it
Jul 07 17:14:31 <gomiam> it is strange though.
Jul 07 17:14:42 <rgriffit> I think I screwed up my /etc/hosts
Jul 07 17:14:51 <rgriffit> careless editing
Jul 07 17:14:59 <gomiam> ah, that might be it
Jul 07 17:15:04 <rgriffit> thx
Jul 07 17:16:24 <gomiam> lol @ some random webcomic
Jul 07 17:16:55 <gomiam> A: "hey B, your stubble is green. Did you grow up near a nuclear plant or something?"
Jul 07 17:17:40 <gomiam> B: "No near, but in. We rented an unused cooling tower. We would throw a plutonium rod at the dog and it would slither back with it, waging its tails"
Jul 07 17:19:57 <pupnik> pleez sumbudy write an ogg DSP sink :|
Jul 07 17:22:55 <gomiam> http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/ XD
Jul 07 17:55:12 <Spec> so...how can i tell what 'distro' my 770 is running? mistral? gregale? bora?
Jul 07 17:56:08 <`0660> install one from the net and then you will know :)
Jul 07 17:56:26 <Spec> hah
Jul 07 17:56:47 <Spec> any other way?
Jul 07 17:57:05 <pupnik> sure
Jul 07 17:57:13 <pupnik> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
Jul 07 17:57:37 <dick-richardson> the nokia repo, specifically
Jul 07 17:57:42 <Spec> so if i'm gonna build a kernel+module, i should just grab the kernel sources in my scratchbox from the same repo my 770 has in it's sources.list?
Jul 07 17:58:12 <dick-richardson> I would
Jul 07 17:58:14 <pupnik> sounds right to me, haven't tried it
Jul 07 17:59:34 <dick-richardson> well, crap. I lost my calendar info :/
Jul 07 18:00:08 <dick-richardson> s'pose I'll just make a cron job that tar's up my home directory and copies across the network
Jul 07 18:00:22 <Radar> I lost my xchant and pidgin accounts..
Jul 07 18:00:28 <Radar> that's a good idea
Jul 07 18:00:29 <Spec> looks like it's mistral
Jul 07 18:04:13 <Spec> hmm, kernel-source from mistral is a few versions older than what's running on my 770
Jul 07 18:04:23 <Spec> but the kernel-source in gregale is much closer...
Jul 07 18:04:51 <dick-richardson> cron isn't installed?
Jul 07 18:16:37 <dick-richardson> no problem with my kingston 2gb sd cards since the update...very nice
Jul 07 18:17:25 <Radar> only problems I have left are themes, the maemo repository, and python install
Jul 07 18:23:47 <dick-richardson> I'm holding off on the repos for a bit...I tried a dist upgrade and the unit wouldn't boot
Jul 07 18:36:48 <pupnik> mwah.
Jul 07 18:50:01 <milhouse> Does Skype prevent the screen from blanking??
Jul 07 18:52:41 <milhouse> well blow me... Skype does appear to prevent the screen from blanking...damned smart, that's gonna help the battery
Jul 07 18:52:50 <Spec> does the n770 by default support encrypted networks? (wep)?
Jul 07 18:52:59 <milhouse> Spec: yes
Jul 07 18:53:01 <milhouse> and WPA
Jul 07 18:53:10 <Spec> i clicky an encrypted network and it just exits the connection menu
Jul 07 18:53:15 <Spec> and then proceeds to do nothing at all
Jul 07 18:54:29 <milhouse> WEP and WPA are supported, but it's not perfect... some users do have problems with some routers... are you sure you have entered the keys correctly?
Jul 07 18:54:36 <milhouse> s/key/keys/
Jul 07 18:54:37 <infobot_> milhouse meant: WEP and WPA are supported, but it's not perfect... some users do have problems with some routers... are you sure you have entered the keyss correctly?
Jul 07 18:54:46 <milhouse> s/keyss/key/
Jul 07 18:54:48 <Spec> milhouse: how do i enter the key?
Jul 07 18:55:01 <milhouse> no idea, i haven't used WEP for about 4 years
Jul 07 18:55:12 <milhouse> have a look in Control Panel -> Connectivity
Jul 07 18:55:18 <Spec> i assumed when clicking on an encrypted network it would ask me to input the key
Jul 07 18:55:22 <milhouse> create the connection there, it should ask for a key or passphrase
Jul 07 18:55:28 <Spec> 'k
Jul 07 18:55:29 <milhouse> it should...
Jul 07 18:55:29 <ericz_> it should give a field to enter it in when a secure network is chosen..
Jul 07 18:56:27 <milhouse> hmmm... trying to reproduce this non-blanking screen bug is tricky... i now have skype running and it just blanked... the only diff before is that i accepted an invite and had skype pulsing in the task bar to get my attention.
Jul 07 18:56:43 <Spec> what's a 'packet data' connection?
Jul 07 18:56:58 <milhouse> mobile
Jul 07 18:57:03 <milhouse> you want wlan
Jul 07 18:57:03 <Spec> ah, bt then
Jul 07 18:57:26 <Spec> yeap, i can enter in info via control panel
Jul 07 18:57:38 <Spec> weird that it doesn't let me enter info when i click the globe button in the upper-right corner
Jul 07 18:57:47 <Spec> (and then select an encrypted network)
Jul 07 18:57:50 <milhouse> ok, once you save that connection it should be listed when you scan via the globe
Jul 07 18:57:53 <Spec> yeap
Jul 07 18:57:59 <Spec> let me go find wep key, i'll let ya'll know if it worked
Jul 07 19:12:37 <Molagi> i installed the python thing, where can i download the motion detector camera
Jul 07 19:13:05 <Radar> you got python to install?
Jul 07 19:13:14 <Molagi> yeah
Jul 07 19:21:39 <Radar> I have been unable to.. the log says it's unable to fetch from the extras directory of the maemo repository
Jul 07 19:38:04 <Molagi> ok
Jul 07 19:38:11 <Molagi> this motion detector app sucks ass totally
Jul 07 19:38:51 <Molagi> the camera is so poor that the app thinks the "blurness" is movement
Jul 07 19:39:32 <Molagi> i just left it on and checked after a while, it had taken over 500 pictures of my wall
Jul 07 19:47:49 <dick-richardson> gpe calendar does a poor job of 12 month recurring events like Memorial Day and Labor Day
Jul 07 19:48:04 <dick-richardson> handles Thanksgiving alright, though...?
Jul 07 19:53:48 <jpt9> hey
Jul 07 19:53:56 <jpt9> has anyone managed to get maemosid running?
Jul 07 19:54:08 <jpt9> (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemosid/ for anyone who hasn't seen it)
Jul 07 19:54:13 <jpt9> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemosid/
Jul 07 19:54:25 <jpt9> (in case anyone's using a GUI client that does hyperlinks...
Jul 07 19:54:33 <jpt9> anyway, I have a 770 with 2007HE on it.
Jul 07 19:54:48 <jpt9> the UI comes up, then it segfaults (I tried running it in the terminal)
Jul 07 19:54:52 <pupnik> heh yaay for sids
Jul 07 19:54:52 <jpt9> any ideas?
Jul 07 19:55:27 <pupnik> https://garage.maemo.org/forum/?group_id=153
Jul 07 19:55:55 <jpt9> I already emailed the author.
Jul 07 19:55:57 <jpt9> (about a minute ago)
Jul 07 19:56:35 <jpt9> can anyone try it on a 770 running OS 2006 or an N800 running OS 2007?
Jul 07 19:56:42 <jpt9> (just to see if it works at all)
Jul 07 19:56:43 <pupnik> duno.  i should really have IT2007he on my mmc card so i can compare both
Jul 07 19:56:53 <pupnik> yeah
Jul 07 19:57:31 <dick-richardson> you know, with as buggy as this calendar is, it'd almost be worth running pose just for the native apps
Jul 07 19:59:32 <killfill> damn.. i lost the usb cable.. cannot flash my n800 ..:S
Jul 07 19:59:56 <dick-richardson> that's not a bad thing, gives you time to make sure you have EVERYTHING backed up ;)
Jul 07 20:04:39 <jpt9> killfill: it's just a mini-USB cable.  you should probably have some lying around from various MP3 players, digital cameras, etc.
Jul 07 20:05:42 <killfill> jpt9: looks like i lost them all.. :P
Jul 07 20:05:48 <killfill> cannto find any
Jul 07 20:05:57 <jpt9> really?
Jul 07 20:06:13 <jpt9> well see if any neighbors/friends/etc have some :-)
Jul 07 20:06:19 <dick-richardson> they're pretty cheap
Jul 07 20:14:09 <jpt9> any other ideas for SID players?
Jul 07 20:16:34 <pupnik> hrm
Jul 07 20:16:46 <pupnik> i could try to fix for it2007he
Jul 07 20:16:55 <pupnik> but i'm spread real thin here
Jul 07 20:17:22 <jpt9> why?  are you involved with maemosid?
Jul 07 20:17:39 <pupnik> no but i can build a sidplayer pretty quick, i'll bet
Jul 07 20:17:45 <jpt9> ah.
Jul 07 20:17:48 <pupnik> command line at least
Jul 07 20:17:58 <jpt9> that would be fine in the meantime.
Jul 07 20:18:12 <pupnik> do you know of any?
Jul 07 20:18:15 <jpt9> hmm...
Jul 07 20:18:26 <jpt9> http://sidplay2.sourceforge.net/
Jul 07 20:20:08 <jpt9> http://www.syntheticsw.com/~sinsch/?id=7298b&s=k2
Jul 07 20:20:10 <jpt9> (tinysid)
Jul 07 20:20:59 <jpt9> http://sidplayer.cebix.net/
Jul 07 20:21:05 <pupnik> too many dependencies for me right now sorry
Jul 07 20:21:09 <jpt9> okay.
Jul 07 20:21:30 <pupnik> if i get one together i'll put it on pupnik.de
Jul 07 20:21:34 <jpt9> okay.
Jul 07 20:22:05 <jpt9> thanks.
Jul 07 21:18:52 <disq> do we have pysqlite3 working on it2007?
Jul 07 21:40:01 <disq> just registered a project named "maemoscrobbler". i'm fed up with my last.fm page being all empty (because I use the n800 as my on the road media player now) so developing a played-tracks cacher-submitter for it
Jul 07 21:55:16 <pupnik> does last.fm cost money?
Jul 07 22:02:12 <solmumaha> anyone else having metalayer-crawler eat up all the cpu?
Jul 07 22:03:19 <solmumaha> someone said on itt that something must be corrupted on sd, but it started after upgrade
Jul 07 22:06:29 <disq> pupnik: you could be a subscriber but most of the functionality is free
Jul 07 22:12:36 <pupnik> Oh man the US economy is so headed for a crash
Jul 07 22:12:50 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgrxpp97OQ
Jul 07 22:17:02 <dolske> iPhone sales will save us! :)
Jul 07 22:26:37 <danilo_> I dont remember who ask me something about aircrack and time cracking. But my N800 with aircrack and airodump break my 64WEP ISP in 24minutes with 187157IVs. Someone here have better times?
Jul 07 22:29:13 <pupnik> nice danilo_
Jul 07 22:30:10 <danilo_> pupnik, We was discussing "why WEP sucks"... lol
Jul 07 22:30:15 <pupnik> does that crack break regular clients use of the wlan?
Jul 07 22:30:50 <pupnik> for e.g. does it deauth clients and is that noticeable?
Jul 07 22:32:33 <dolske> is that all running on the N800? Or do you still need to do the packet captures from another box?
Jul 07 22:32:48 <danilo_> No no... aircrack just break the wep passkey....
Jul 07 22:33:09 <danilo_> all runing on N800
Jul 07 22:33:41 <dolske> Have you looked at http://www.mulliner.org/blog/blosxom.cgi/security/newattackonwep2.html
Jul 07 22:34:36 <danilo_> I will see it now....
Jul 07 22:35:04 <danilo_> * look it..
Jul 07 22:36:03 <danilo_> 19 seconds?!?! lol! I need to improve my benchmarks.... lol
Jul 07 22:37:15 <mjw-> I think i will stick w/WPA...
Jul 07 22:37:56 <pupnik> is wpa a cpu burden on the n770?
Jul 07 22:39:54 <mjw-> I haven't tried wep or open on mine
Jul 07 22:39:55 <danilo_> But Mulliner did't not show him configuration.... If I use a wordlist just with my passkey, I can break my WEP in less of one second too... lol
Jul 07 22:41:03 <disq> pupnik: it is on other wpa running hardware (like access points) so it *could* help with the battery life if you used wep. yes. but can you afford an unsecure network?
Jul 07 22:41:48 <pupnik> yes, my power levels are low enough - and it's in a basement
Jul 07 22:42:00 <pupnik> people would need to stand in front of my window to use my wlan
Jul 07 22:42:20 <disq> back in the day some access points used to crash/reboot if you pumped high speed data over the wpa connection just because it couldn't handle the load
Jul 07 22:43:42 <disq> btw you could also tune down the radio on the access point if you're using openwrt or so - that's what my brother did with his overheating linksys (hot summer)
Jul 07 22:44:16 <disq> (or a faraday cage. :P )
Jul 07 22:44:16 <pupnik> yeah i've seen overheating APs too.. restart usually helps
Jul 07 22:44:52 <danilo_> Hey. Sometimes, if I dont touch on N800, my network goes down... I think that is a "power's safe" thing. How can I fix this? Some moments I accessing N800 by my computer over SSH, and my connection goes down without reason. So I need to take my N800 on my hands and touch on the screen. Than I can use SSH again...
Jul 07 22:45:57 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/800powr.html
Jul 07 22:46:02 <pupnik> The N800 version also helps keep your network connection alive.
Jul 07 22:46:15 <Wzrd2> does vlc player work on the 770?
Jul 07 22:46:21 <Wzrd2> the debian/linux version?
Jul 07 22:46:45 <pupnik> dunno.  mplayer is far and away the best performing video player
Jul 07 22:47:08 <danilo_> pupnik, Thanks! I think that it can solve my problem!
Jul 07 22:47:34 <Wzrd2> what I want to do is stream muci from my windows pc to the 770
Jul 07 22:47:35 <disq> intel / i386 binaries don't work on the device. you need to get the stuff compiled for 770/n800. (unless there are "armel" binaries provided - though it might still need some work)
Jul 07 22:47:40 <Wzrd2> music
Jul 07 22:48:18 <disq> Wzrd2: the easiest way is to install and use the app "mediastreamer" for that. canola also works.
Jul 07 22:48:54 <Wzrd2> I looked into the mediastreamer..what free app would I use on my pc to stream from it
Jul 07 22:49:40 <Wzrd2> can I use vlc to stream the music to mediastreamer on the 770?
Jul 07 22:49:47 <disq> any upnp streamer. microsoft has one ("windows media connect") for free, there are other free alternatives
Jul 07 22:50:21 <dick-richardson> I'm just happy that either gpodder or the new media player lets me seek mp3's
Jul 07 22:50:24 <disq> there's FUPPES, twonkyvision, and some more software you could use.
Jul 07 22:50:56 <Wzrd2> which do u think is the best? the
Jul 07 22:51:00 <Wzrd2> MS one?
Jul 07 22:51:30 <disq> the ms one works very well for music (for me anyways)
Jul 07 22:51:59 <disq> most of the other alternatives have weird web-like control panels that i don't like
Jul 07 22:52:44 <Wzrd2> hmm I am on the page and it says WMP 11 can do it
Jul 07 22:53:52 <Wzrd2> except WMP is a f-ing memory hog
Jul 07 22:54:02 <eichi> someone here using claws mail? is there no way for imap? i dont want to use php for mobile devices...that s*cks
Jul 07 22:54:02 <disq> apparently so. i installed this like six months ago there was no wmp11 then
Jul 07 22:54:10 <eichi> php =pop
Jul 07 22:54:50 <eichi> oh, sorry, there is an option ^^
Jul 07 23:10:32 <ericz_> is there an aircrack for os 2006 on the 770
Jul 07 23:14:11 <ericz_> nevermind, found one
Jul 07 23:30:44 <Wzrd2> cool..vlc works with media streamer! :)
Jul 07 23:30:58 <Wzrd2> I just set it up
Jul 07 23:42:13 <eugene> morning
Jul 08 00:12:34 <eugene> aloha..
Jul 08 00:13:52 <pupnik> moo
Jul 08 00:16:22 <eugene>          (__)
Jul 08 00:16:23 <eugene>          (oo)
Jul 08 00:16:24 <eugene>    /------\/
Jul 08 00:16:24 <eugene>   / |    ||
Jul 08 00:16:26 <eugene>  *  /\---/\
Jul 08 00:16:28 <eugene>     ~~   ~~
Jul 08 00:16:31 <eugene> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
Jul 08 00:17:01 <pupnik> he heh
Jul 08 00:17:15 <eugene> pupnik: you can get that output if you have terminal in your n800
Jul 08 00:17:21 <eugene> osso-xterm :)
Jul 08 00:18:14 <pupnik> ?
Jul 08 00:18:52 <pupnik> ich bin on an xterm
Jul 08 00:18:58 <eugene> pupnik: ich bin?
Jul 08 00:19:05 <pupnik> I am
Jul 08 00:19:08 <eugene> ok
Jul 08 00:19:12 <eugene> type apt-get moo
Jul 08 00:19:25 <pupnik> Eye am zpeeking ze kraut lingo
Jul 08 00:20:01 <eugene> huh
Jul 08 00:20:08 <milhouse> translate from german ich bin
Jul 08 00:20:09 <_Monkey> milhouse: I am
Jul 08 00:20:16 <pupnik> wow nice
Jul 08 00:20:25 <eugene> translate from german Eye am zpeeking ze kraut lingo
Jul 08 00:20:26 <_Monkey> eugene: Eye at zpeeking CPU the herb lingo
Jul 08 00:20:44 <pupnik> rofl
Jul 08 00:20:49 <milhouse> translate to german i am speaking the german language
Jul 08 00:20:50 <_Monkey> milhouse: ich spreche die deutsche Sprache
Jul 08 00:21:45 <pupnik> translate to jive This is one really cool IRC bot.  I am impressed!
Jul 08 00:21:49 <pupnik> bah
Jul 08 00:21:57 <pupnik> PC bot
Jul 08 00:22:03 <Niacin> anyone seen this ethan haas was right thing?
Jul 08 00:22:06 <Niacin> http://www.ethanhaaswasright.com/
Jul 08 00:22:12 <Niacin> i managed to crack the first 2 codes
Jul 08 00:22:15 <Niacin> but third one is tough
Jul 08 00:22:26 <Niacin> some sort of checkers game
Jul 08 00:22:38 <pupnik> wow
Jul 08 00:23:34 <Niacin> its to do with that movie
Jul 08 00:23:44 <Niacin> that "unnamed" one
Jul 08 00:23:50 <Niacin> if you saw the trailer @ transformers
Jul 08 00:26:41 <Niacin> hah woot got the third code
Jul 08 00:26:53 <pupnik> I don't get that at all
Jul 08 00:27:05 <Niacin> its a code
Jul 08 00:27:16 <Niacin> the first one is simple... :)
Jul 08 00:27:32 <pupnik> I don't even parse the scribbles.  Not interested
Jul 08 00:28:18 <Niacin> no need
Jul 08 00:28:24 <Niacin> its simon says :)
Jul 08 00:29:16 <pupnik> Presidential candidate Ron Paul today won the Coalition for New Hampshire Taxpayers (CNHT) straw poll at their annual picnic in Hopkinton, New Hampshire. Dr. Paul received 182 of 294 votes cast, or 65 percent. In second place was Rudy Giuliani with 24 votes, or 8 percent.
Jul 08 00:29:21 <pupnik> woohoo!
Jul 08 00:33:17 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/RonPaul2008dotcom  :) :)
Jul 08 00:34:19 <Niacin> i like ron paul
Jul 08 00:34:46 <pupnik> me too.  he's a good Doctor man
Jul 08 00:35:58 <eichi> is there a app for video podcast?
Jul 08 00:37:28 <koos> eichi:kmplayer supports it, ie. finds enclosing tags in rss feeds, but not really made for this
Jul 08 00:38:00 <eichi> hm okay
Jul 08 00:42:10 <eichi> damn LCARS theme destroyed all my icons and status symboles :/
Jul 08 00:45:54 <eichi> is there a way to repair the icons and that stuff?
Jul 08 00:49:26 <pupnik> i've heard about that from someone else
Jul 08 00:49:38 <pupnik> sure - copy the icons and theme back
Jul 08 00:50:13 <pupnik> oh and send the LCARS guy email
Jul 08 00:51:35 <eichi> copy from where ...to where?
Jul 08 00:54:23 <megabyte405> eichi: try switching themes, rebooting, and switching back
Jul 08 00:54:29 <megabyte405> new firmware, right?
Jul 08 00:54:37 <eichi> latest firmware
Jul 08 00:54:40 <megabyte405> yup
Jul 08 00:54:43 <megabyte405> common problem
Jul 08 00:54:58 <megabyte405> (is it just me, or is repository.maemo.org completely swamped?  I'm trying to do some development, and I can't apt-get update for the life of me)
Jul 08 00:55:24 <megabyte405> well, now it just loaded, but took several minutes
Jul 08 00:55:29 <dick-richardson> i'm holding off anyway...after a dist-upgrade my unit wouldn't boot yesterday
Jul 08 00:55:47 <megabyte405> dick-richardson: you did a dist-upgrade on your n800 unit?
Jul 08 00:55:52 <dick-richardson> yeah
Jul 08 00:56:32 <eichi> damn icons
Jul 08 00:56:46 <eichi> i deleted the package from the theme
Jul 08 00:56:53 <eichi> but they are anyway there
Jul 08 00:57:00 <eichi> switched and rebootet many times
Jul 08 00:57:04 <eichi> doenst help
Jul 08 00:57:11 <dick-richardson> it worked well with the previous firmware, but it didn't work well at all...probably just a little too fast and loose with my repos
Jul 08 00:57:11 <eichi> :( damn s*it
Jul 08 00:57:13 <megabyte405> dick-richardson: that will frequently brick things - especially if you have the maemo sdk repositories installed: "dist-upgrade" won't be supported until Maemo 4.0
Jul 08 00:57:26 <pupnik_> also search internettablettalk.com forums and maybe the maemo-users mailing list
Jul 08 00:57:34 <megabyte405> I use dist-upgrade in scratchbox for development, but it won't work on the unit
Jul 08 00:57:46 <dick-richardson> megabyte405: that's good to know...standard upgrade ok then?
Jul 08 00:58:13 <eugene> megabyte405: dist-upgrade in scratchbox doesn't work for me even
Jul 08 00:58:13 <megabyte405> dick-richardson: AFAIK, apt-get anything isn't supported, and only apt-get install/remove works as expected
Jul 08 00:58:26 <megabyte405> eugene: well, I haven't tried it recently - I'm sticking with 3.1 until the dust settles
Jul 08 00:58:33 <dick-richardson> so just use the built-in manager
Jul 08 00:58:59 <megabyte405> dick-richardson: if you want to upgrade the unit, you can upgrade user packages with the package manager (but don't do it in red-pill mode) and can flash a whole new OS on
Jul 08 00:59:30 <dick-richardson> well, i've been doing it all wrong since Feb :P good to know
Jul 08 01:00:04 <megabyte405> :D
Jul 08 01:00:19 <megabyte405> I saw updates in red-pill mode, and as tempting as they looked, I knew that if I touched, I would probably brick it
Jul 08 01:00:50 <dick-richardson> know matter how borked my unit's been, I've  been able to reflash
Jul 08 01:00:55 <eugene> the worst thing that can happen is to reflash your unit ;)
Jul 08 01:01:29 <megabyte405> eugene: that's a very good thing
Jul 08 01:01:48 <megabyte405> I just wish that the response on the new firmware had been more positive so I wasn't afraid to upgrade
Jul 08 01:02:00 <dick-richardson> I'm really enjoying it
Jul 08 01:02:03 <megabyte405> I'm being uncommonly cautious - normally I'm a bleeding-edge kind of guy
Jul 08 01:02:22 <megabyte405> I'm gonna wait at least a few days until the main problems have been worked around
Jul 08 01:02:31 <megabyte405> and I'm not gonna restore, either, sicne that looks like it's problematic
Jul 08 01:02:45 <eugene> megabyte405: what kind of problems? i have been using for a coupleo f days now
Jul 08 01:02:59 <dick-richardson> not across firmware versions...restoring to the same firmware is fine
Jul 08 01:03:06 <jpt9> pupnik_: how's it going?
Jul 08 01:03:06 <megabyte405> dick-richardson: yeah, that's what it seems
Jul 08 01:03:34 <megabyte405> eugene: opera instability/https problem, gainroot problems
Jul 08 01:03:42 <megabyte405> there's a long, whiny list on itt :-P
Jul 08 01:03:50 <pupnik_> happy. well firefox is stinking up my compy and i'm not getting any work done
Jul 08 01:03:53 <dick-richardson> no problems with opera...never used gainroot
Jul 08 01:04:02 <eugene> megabyte405: i wonder why i don't have these problems...
Jul 08 01:04:09 <eugene> megabyte405: gainroot worked ok for me too
Jul 08 01:04:22 <dick-richardson> I'm more comfortable with the ssh method
Jul 08 01:04:33 <dick-richardson> and I'd need the package, anyway...
Jul 08 01:05:08 <megabyte405> eugene: I'm guessing some/most of the problems are from inexperienced users forgetting to re-install packages, or from restore issues, or whathaveyou
Jul 08 01:05:12 <eugene> well using ssh doesn't solve your gainroot problem
Jul 08 01:05:18 <eugene> megabyte405: guess so
Jul 08 01:05:27 <megabyte405> eugene: no, but many people use ssh instead of gainroot
Jul 08 01:05:49 <megabyte405> and I _just_ got GPE and Evolution syncing figured out on my N800, so I don't want to screw that up :D
Jul 08 01:06:05 <eugene> megabyte405: how do you gainroot using ssh? :)
Jul 08 01:06:13 <eugene> what's the root default password
Jul 08 01:06:28 <megabyte405> rootme
Jul 08 01:06:31 <dick-richardson> ssh root@localhost
Jul 08 01:06:34 <dick-richardson> yep
Jul 08 01:06:37 <eugene> really?
Jul 08 01:06:39 <eugene> lol
Jul 08 01:06:44 <megabyte405> yup
Jul 08 01:06:51 <eugene> damn :)
Jul 08 01:06:55 <dick-richardson> then run passwd and make it what you want...change user password too since user can't change it's own
Jul 08 01:06:56 <eugene> Nokia-N800-26:~#
Jul 08 01:06:57 <megabyte405> I think it's just easier to install becomeroot and do sudo gainroot, but oh well :D
Jul 08 01:07:17 <eugene> anyway, i find it easier to flash the thing with rd mode
Jul 08 01:07:39 <eugene> plus, it is a habit for me to sudo as a normal user, than to ssh as a root user :)
Jul 08 01:07:40 <dick-richardson> then I visudo and comment everything out, add user ALL =  NOPASSWD: ALL
Jul 08 01:08:02 <dick-richardson> then you can sudo to your hearts content as user...no need to ssh ever
Jul 08 01:08:08 <megabyte405> eugene: what does rd mode do on the N800?  I know it was needed to install stuff on the n770 for a while or something
Jul 08 01:08:23 <megabyte405> dick-richardson: I got ssh certificates working so I don't need passwords either :D
Jul 08 01:08:24 <eugene> i wonder how many people gotten their device rooted :)
Jul 08 01:08:36 <eugene> megabyte405: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html
Jul 08 01:10:01 <megabyte405> eugene: weird - I didn't need to do that to get root ?
Jul 08 01:10:10 <ericz_> i rooted mine (with ssh) the first hour i got it, which was only a week ago, of course i was hanging arond here a week before tha
Jul 08 01:10:25 <eugene> megabyte405: there are other things that you can do with rd mode. see the flash page in maemo wiki.
Jul 08 01:13:55 <eugene> megabyte405: "When R&D mode is enabled * Use the host USB mode of the device. * You can use sudo gainroot to get a root shell on the device * The power button turns the device on instantly (usually you have to keep it pressed for a while) * You can enable some R&D mode flags (flasher --set-rd-flags) for various features."
Jul 08 01:14:19 <eugene> i find the "turns the device on instantly" feature very useful
Jul 08 01:14:27 <megabyte405> ah, nice
Jul 08 01:14:32 <megabyte405> I just keep mine locked
Jul 08 01:14:37 <eugene> megabyte405: more at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage
Jul 08 01:14:39 <megabyte405> but that is a nice feature
Jul 08 01:15:14 <eugene> megabyte405: try out my new article...
Jul 08 01:18:50 <eichi_N800> no one knows where to copy the ixons to rescue my demaged interface...?
Jul 08 01:19:02 <eichi_N800> icons
Jul 08 01:20:41 <megabyte405> eichi_N800: did you try the changing the theme, rebooting, and then changing back?
Jul 08 02:02:29 <milhouse> a2dp?
Jul 08 02:02:29 <_Monkey> somebody said a2dp was working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :)
Jul 08 02:07:22 <disq> interesting
Jul 08 02:07:26 <megabyte405> it's not officiallly in the new firmware, though it may be that someone hacked it on aftermarket, so to speak
Jul 08 02:07:41 <milhouse> just needed the link to reply to someone on itt
Jul 08 02:07:56 <milhouse> i had it working last thursday on the old firmware, worked very very well :)
Jul 08 02:08:33 <disq> doubt it at this point, encoding takes a lot of the cpu (and battery obviously) so somebody has to move the codec part to the dsp i think
Jul 08 02:08:39 <milhouse> definately not in the new firmware, unfortunately... trevarthan is responsible for the hack and web site, hopefully his work will be appreciated by Nokia rather than ignored and duplicated
Jul 08 02:08:53 <milhouse> disq: seriously, it works. try it
Jul 08 02:09:21 <disq> don't have a a2dp bt headset, let alone a mono one
Jul 08 02:09:53 <trevarthan> milhouse: BTW, I fixed a ton of memory leaks in my version of ukmp. I'll roll you a new tar.gz soonish.
Jul 08 02:10:26 <milhouse> ok thanks although I blew away the install from last week when i upgraded :)
Jul 08 02:10:30 <trevarthan> I've also made the song titles a lot more finger friendly. (i.e. larger)
Jul 08 02:10:31 <disq> i could get one if this really works though. but my dream project is still n800 emulating a headset and bridging the music player with the phone calls. (wrote about that idea in maemopeople.org)
Jul 08 02:11:29 <trevarthan> disq: I doubt there is enough bluetooth bandwidth to do headset profile and a2dp at the same time.
Jul 08 02:11:40 <disq> i'm working on a last.fm played tracks "scrobbler" daemon (and dbus listener) with caching and all. when i'm done i'll send in a patch for ukmp.
Jul 08 02:12:02 <trevarthan> And no mic input jack on the n800....
Jul 08 02:12:40 <disq> the headphone jack is 4 pins actually, one of them is mic.
Jul 08 02:12:52 <trevarthan> Ah... that's right. I forgot about that.
Jul 08 02:13:12 <trevarthan> Got a link to your article? I'd like to read about why you want to do that.
Jul 08 02:13:41 <disq> trevarthan: here, http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/disq/2007/02/17/p55
Jul 08 02:14:11 <trevarthan> I thought it would be similarly cool to use the n800 as a stereo line in -> a2dp adapter, but even though there is mic in there still is no stereo line in on the n800.
Jul 08 02:14:51 <disq> what we need is bare gpio ports at the back :P
Jul 08 02:15:24 <disq> (though that probably wouldn't do us any good in this situation, with the dsp etc)
Jul 08 02:15:40 <trevarthan> disq: I don't get it. Why do you want to forward cell phone calls through skype?
Jul 08 02:15:58 <disq> that was just an idea to throw around
Jul 08 02:16:08 <trevarthan> well, ok. But why?
Jul 08 02:16:38 <trevarthan> I'm not saying it's a dumb idea. I just can't think of an application at the moment...
Jul 08 02:18:52 <disq> well, yeah that wouldn't be practical but being able to forward incoming calls to other apps could be handy? like a recorder of sorts, dunno? wouldn't be worth the time in r&d, though
Jul 08 02:19:26 <trevarthan> You could probably do the cell phone -> n800 end with asterisk and chan_bluetooth: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Bluetooth+channels
Jul 08 02:20:17 <trevarthan> And you could forward it to skype with chan_skype: http://www.chanskype.com/
Jul 08 02:20:43 <trevarthan> I'm not sure where the music player comes in.......
Jul 08 02:20:56 <disq> the main issue is to be able to enjoy media (listen/watch, whatever) and take calls with a single headset. there are multi-chan headsets yeah but you should be able to do this in software, even with simple shell scripts.
Jul 08 02:21:36 <disq> the media player and caller id integration would be the icing on the cake.
Jul 08 02:22:42 <trevarthan> The only issue there beyond available bluetooth bandwidth (a major issue, I think), is that stereo bluetooth (a2dp) isn't two way. Only one way.
Jul 08 02:23:24 <trevarthan> That's why you need a multi-chan headset. Something connects to is with SCO (mono two way profile), and something else connects to it with a2dp (stereo one way profile)
Jul 08 02:23:36 <disq> yeah i learned about that after i wrote the thing, and it's kinda sad.
Jul 08 02:24:29 <trevarthan> what's really sad is that in my experience multi-chan headsets don't really work. My motorola s9 can't handle playing a2dp and being paired with my cell phone at the same time. Leads to massive annoying random skipping of the a2dp audio.
Jul 08 02:24:39 <disq> but with a two chan headset you could just pair chan1 with the phone and chan2 with n800.
Jul 08 02:24:53 <disq> hmm
Jul 08 02:25:37 <trevarthan> could just be a quirk of the s9, or a bug in my phone's firmware, or even a bug in bluez or a2dpd. Or it could be a flaw in the multi-chan idea itself. I'm not sure which.
Jul 08 02:26:56 <trevarthan> You could easily do what you want with an actual hands free car system though. Mic mounted on the dash or support column, car speakers for stereo. Just plug it into the n800 headset port. Then the n800's bluetooth bandwidth would be free to pair with your phone.
Jul 08 02:27:50 <trevarthan> You could do that with asterisk and chan_bluetooth today, I think. It would just take some packaging work and you'd need a software SIP phone and a decent media player for the n800 as well. Both of which are available, I think.
Jul 08 02:28:37 <trevarthan> Alternatively, I think I saw a headset profile driver on maemo garage for the 770..... might be able to port it.... not sure....
Jul 08 02:30:17 <disq> hmm. tell the headset to switch between a2dp and sco back and forth?
Jul 08 02:31:02 <trevarthan> I think you've departed from my current train of thought. What are you talking about exactly?
Jul 08 02:31:22 <disq> ah, ok, pair with the phone via bt and use a wired headset? yeah that sounds simpler :)
Jul 08 02:32:21 <trevarthan> yeah. it's doable with current software too. It's a really attractive idea, I think. Would make a great little experiment. I don't have time to work on it myself, but if someone else got it working I would definitely use it.
Jul 08 02:33:04 <trevarthan> I think the n800 makes a kick ass car PC. They aught to market it as such.
Jul 08 02:33:32 <disq> btw all the media players on the n800 suck :P but i'll try the headset/pairing thing
Jul 08 02:34:09 <trevarthan> no they don't. ukmp is decent. And I'm rewriting it currently to be more like the iphone media interface. It's only going to get better.
Jul 08 02:34:30 <trevarthan> canola only sucks a little bit. :)
Jul 08 02:35:38 <trevarthan> I think the thing that sucks most about canola is that it's closed source, so I can't make it do the few things that it doesn't already do. Crying bloody shame.
Jul 08 02:35:41 <disq> ukmp's party mode is not enough for me, i'm more of an AMP person. with a seperate playlist and all.
Jul 08 02:36:20 <disq> yeah. it's great for using on the road though
Jul 08 02:37:10 <pupnik_> i tried compiling various versions of xmms and beep media player
Jul 08 02:37:11 <disq> in fact, of all the media players i like mediastreamer the most. but it doesn't play local files.
Jul 08 02:37:17 <trevarthan> My version of ukmp has a slightly different playlist system. It's not set in stone either. I'm willing to hack the frick out of it until it's perfect. Do you have an example player with a playlist that you really like? I could use it for inspiration. I don't use playlists much myself. I think that might be because I don't understand how they're used though.
Jul 08 02:37:45 <pupnik_> trev same... playlists aren't my cupotea either
Jul 08 02:38:23 <trevarthan> I mostly just pick an album and hit play. when I get tired of it, I pick a different album.
Jul 08 02:38:28 <disq> i just want the classic playlist system, where you select songs/albums/dirs and append the songs to the playlist. you can have one song multiple times in the list, etc (i'm sometimes a repeat-track freak, yes)
Jul 08 02:39:43 <trevarthan> ok. That's how my version of ukmp's playlist will work. I stole it from pymp, along with a bunch of other stuff: http://jdolan.dyndns.org/trac/wiki/Pymp
Jul 08 02:40:08 <disq> and i think for that system the most useful interface would be A-Z buttons, but first the type (Artist/Title/Album/Genre type of thing) and then little buttons like the contacts app has. A thru D, E thru H, etc.
Jul 08 02:40:37 <disq> canola's list everything in one big list thing doesn't work when you have a lot of music
Jul 08 02:40:44 <trevarthan> BTW, I need to rename my version of ukmp. The "uk" stands for konttori's initials, so that won't work as this is a complete rewrite. I want to name it after some animal in grand GNU tradition. Anyone have any suggestions?
Jul 08 02:41:05 <disq> hmm. GIMP is taken :P
Jul 08 02:41:21 <milhouse> pimp?
Jul 08 02:41:28 * disq is away (gone for good) since 05:41 08/07/07
Jul 08 02:41:33 <disq> erm sorry, shortcut.
Jul 08 02:41:38 <disq> grr.
Jul 08 02:41:55 <disq> portable intuitive media player?
Jul 08 02:41:59 <milhouse> works for me
Jul 08 02:42:03 <milhouse> :)
Jul 08 02:42:05 <trevarthan> disq: yeah, I agree about the a-z thing. Not sure about genre. I never use that. I'll have to think how to implement that as I really want the album view to be the default...
Jul 08 02:42:30 <disq> yeah i don't use it either but people seem to like it, otherwise that would've gotten old by now.
Jul 08 02:42:34 <trevarthan> animals people, not recursive acronyms.
Jul 08 02:42:51 <milhouse> Zebra
Jul 08 02:43:17 <milhouse> Beetle
Jul 08 02:43:18 <ericz_> penguin isnt taken as a logo, is it? :P
Jul 08 02:43:22 <trevarthan> already taken: http://www.zebra.org/founder.html
Jul 08 02:43:27 <disq> lots of people would appreciate the iphone-alike album view though. and it would also generate some hype
Jul 08 02:43:37 <milhouse> beetle isn't really an animal, but has music conotations
Jul 08 02:43:44 <milhouse> Cover Flow(tm)?
Jul 08 02:44:26 <milhouse> Lama?
Jul 08 02:44:31 <trevarthan> I like the beetle thing. Maybe a specific type of beetle? Make it not so obvious?
Jul 08 02:44:44 <milhouse> lama.org is free
Jul 08 02:44:49 <milhouse> Dung
Jul 08 02:44:57 <milhouse> Deathwatch
Jul 08 02:45:10 <milhouse> what are those Egyptian ones?
Jul 08 02:45:11 <disq> we need an animal that ends with U. that way the acronym could be "something something is not UKMP"
Jul 08 02:45:13 <milhouse> Scarab
Jul 08 02:45:18 <trevarthan> :) I like Dung. It fits my sense of humor. I wonder if I could get away with that.....
Jul 08 02:45:22 <megabyte405> urdu
Jul 08 02:45:37 <megabyte405> but I think that's used
Jul 08 02:45:38 <trevarthan> disq: yeah.
Jul 08 02:45:51 <milhouse> emu
Jul 08 02:46:02 <megabyte405> vudu - is not an animal though
Jul 08 02:46:05 <megabyte405> or spelled right
Jul 08 02:46:18 <disq> wouldn't urdu be more suitable as a programming language of sorts? :P
Jul 08 02:46:56 <milhouse> Emu <--- ends in U, and has many musical associations (if you're a techy geeky type... EMU sound processor)
Jul 08 02:48:55 <milhouse> llama (not lama - doh)
Jul 08 02:49:14 <pupnik_> Emu was a synth company, bought out by teh evil Creative Labs
Jul 08 02:49:25 <milhouse> damn, llama.org is taken, "put a llama in your life"
Jul 08 02:49:36 <milhouse> indeed... who still use their chippery
Jul 08 02:49:59 <milhouse> I always preferred Fairlight myself... crazy stuff
Jul 08 02:50:03 <milhouse> Fairlight?
Jul 08 02:50:07 <milhouse> for a name?
Jul 08 02:50:34 <disq> FLT? so demoscene of you
Jul 08 02:50:37 <milhouse> Oryx - it's got an X which is always cool
Jul 08 02:50:53 <disq> that emu is a funny looking bird tho
Jul 08 02:51:17 <pupnik_> pick a unique name, like oh.. 'epiphyte'
Jul 08 02:51:18 <eugene> disq: as as weird as the duck-like lizard-not thing
Jul 08 02:51:34 <pupnik_> something where searches will yield your program
Jul 08 02:51:36 <disq> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animal_names
Jul 08 02:51:46 <ericz_> what's that extinct one? dodo?
Jul 08 02:51:54 <pupnik_> yes
Jul 08 02:51:57 <eugene> pupnik_: i will keep that name for my program
Jul 08 02:52:02 <milhouse> or platypus
Jul 08 02:52:19 <trevarthan> I like emu... I wonder if I would get into trouble for that.
Jul 08 02:52:22 <pupnik_> I like Oryx too... reminds me of orgy
Jul 08 02:52:27 <trevarthan> lol
Jul 08 02:52:42 <pupnik_> musorgy
Jul 08 02:53:09 <koos> I have /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so running in my media player
Jul 08 02:53:13 <milhouse> pupnik: better stear clear of Woodcock in that case
Jul 08 02:53:18 <koos> jippie
Jul 08 02:53:25 <disq> the fine people at fsf could make an animal name search engine (with characters, length, and all) not to forget the "i'm feeling lucky" button.
Jul 08 02:53:38 <milhouse> Yak
Jul 08 02:54:07 <milhouse> Yakk - Yet another Kontorri knock-off ;)
Jul 08 02:54:18 <disq> "caribou" but it's kinda long
Jul 08 02:54:36 <pupnik_> Antidisestablishmentarianism
Jul 08 02:54:44 <disq> "caribou isn't about ukmp"
Jul 08 02:55:23 <eugene> do you guys use mugshot?
Jul 08 02:58:23 <trevarthan> lots of projects named caribou already. none music related that I saw, but still.... and I think caribou are even funnier looking that emus.
Jul 08 02:58:46 <disq> :)
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