**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 09 02:59:59 2007
Jul 09 03:03:44 <thoughtfix> http://tabletblog.com/2007/07/nokia-n800-better-without-phone.html
Jul 09 03:06:43 <SeRi> Konttori are you in?
Jul 09 03:08:19 <GeneralAntilles> lol, thoughtfix, that was awesome. :D
Jul 09 03:21:15 <rwhitby> thoughtfix: nice video
Jul 09 03:22:12 <thoughtfix> Thanks
Jul 09 03:22:28 <thoughtfix> I figure everyone else who has been asked that a thousand times can just point to that video
Jul 09 03:22:59 <disq> cracked me up you repeating the same sentence over and over "it's not a phone"
Jul 09 03:25:14 <thoughtfix> My personal favorite part is the Pac Man noise
Jul 09 03:25:32 <disq> hilarious :)
Jul 09 03:26:04 <thoughtfix> My girlfriend is telling me I make funny faces
Jul 09 03:27:37 <rwhitby> I didn't notice anything like that.
Jul 09 03:27:57 <thoughtfix> I can see it later in the video as I am ad-libbing a bit
Jul 09 03:28:31 <thoughtfix> And the iPhone has exactly 40% of the pixels of the N800
Jul 09 03:28:55 <jacques> heh
Jul 09 03:29:15 <jacques> I was playing with an iphone today
Jul 09 03:29:23 <thoughtfix> 320x480 vs 800x480
Jul 09 03:32:00 <nelson> I see that there's been a new version published while I was away.
Jul 09 03:33:25 <nelson> thoughtfix: hehe, very funny.
Jul 09 03:34:30 <thoughtfix> :D
Jul 09 03:34:31 <thoughtfix> thanks
Jul 09 03:52:38 <megabyte405> hey all
Jul 09 03:53:30 <megabyte405> Trencher: what are you actually doing with the image?
Jul 09 03:53:34 <megabyte405> it was plug and go for me
Jul 09 03:56:10 <Trencher> started it
Jul 09 03:56:22 <Trencher> it came up
Jul 09 03:57:23 <Trencher> af-sb-init.sh start
Jul 09 03:57:36 <Trencher> got lots of 'file not found'
Jul 09 03:57:38 <Trencher> then nothing
Jul 09 03:58:04 <Markov> for some reason my display settings don't seem to be taking effect
Jul 09 03:58:09 <Markov> after new firmware...
Jul 09 03:58:29 <Markov> as in the screen never dims or turns off
Jul 09 03:59:06 <Markov> also the scroll bar in opera disappears for certain sites when i put it in "fit width to window" mode
Jul 09 03:59:42 <Markov> and whenever i touch the screen in maemo mapper, it closes (but, that's always happened)
Jul 09 03:59:47 <megabyte405> Markov: change your theme, reboot, and change it back
Jul 09 03:59:48 <_Monkey> megabyte405: that doesn't look right
Jul 09 04:00:07 <Markov> megabyte405: that's a solution to which of the problems?
Jul 09 04:00:16 <megabyte405> the first two, with luck
Jul 09 04:00:22 <Markov> ooo nice
Jul 09 04:00:54 <megabyte405> Trencher: did you run af-sb-init.sh from within the scratchbox option?  (Did it even start?  You have to do an echo from within a root shell (sudo su - ) - run /scratchbox/login from a terminal to see the message)
Jul 09 04:04:05 <Markov> hey! that worked11!! thanks megabyte405
Jul 09 04:04:16 <megabyte405> Markov: np
Jul 09 04:04:22 <Trencher> scratchbox started
Jul 09 04:04:31 <megabyte405> there is a big thread at internettablettalk.com that summaries some fixes to common problems with the new firmware
Jul 09 04:04:41 <Trencher> i got the 'Welcome to Scratchbox!'
Jul 09 04:04:41 <megabyte405> there's a fair amount of "noise" in the thread, but also some good signal
Jul 09 04:04:50 <megabyte405> Trencher: ok, cool.  did xephyr come up?
Jul 09 04:04:55 <Trencher> yeah..
Jul 09 04:04:56 <Trencher> :5
Jul 09 04:05:11 <megabyte405> ok
Jul 09 04:05:41 <Trencher> there's a bunch of: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: no such file or directory
Jul 09 04:05:57 <megabyte405> hmm
Jul 09 04:06:03 <megabyte405> did you install the nokia restricted stuff?
Jul 09 04:06:11 <Trencher> ran it, said it finished
Jul 09 04:06:13 <Trencher> could try again
Jul 09 04:06:18 <megabyte405> hmm
Jul 09 04:06:25 <megabyte405> beats me - it worked right off the bat for me
Jul 09 04:06:42 <Trencher> Nokia binaries repository already installed.
Jul 09 04:07:30 <Trencher> i get SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set too
Jul 09 04:22:06 <Trencher> i'll try unpacking it again
Jul 09 04:26:38 <Trencher> loading image
Jul 09 04:26:46 <Trencher> keep uuid
Jul 09 04:28:03 <Trencher> install binaries
Jul 09 04:29:16 <Trencher> done
Jul 09 04:29:48 <Trencher> open scratchbox and run af-sb-init.sh start
Jul 09 04:30:12 <Trencher> ...
Jul 09 04:30:34 <Trencher> i guess there should be something about NOT trying to run scratchbox before you install the nokia bins
Jul 09 04:31:03 <disq> trevarth1n: hey, there?
Jul 09 04:31:03 <_Monkey> there is probably some app that is drawing a lot of power
Jul 09 04:41:29 <Trencher> megabyte405: where are the kernel sources kept in this image?
Jul 09 04:41:47 <megabyte405> for scratchbox?
Jul 09 04:41:59 <megabyte405> probably in /scratchbox/src/kernel or something like that
Jul 09 04:45:28 <Trencher> no /src
Jul 09 04:46:04 <megabyte405> how about usr/src
Jul 09 04:47:52 <Trencher> nope
Jul 09 04:49:29 <megabyte405> beats me
Jul 09 04:49:31 <megabyte405> did you install it
Jul 09 04:49:32 <megabyte405> ?
Jul 09 04:49:43 <Trencher> looks like i have to compile my own?
Jul 09 04:49:46 <megabyte405> fakeroot apt-get install kernel-source-rx-43 or something like that
Jul 09 04:50:33 <Trencher> ah. rx-34
Jul 09 04:50:34 <Trencher> close
Jul 09 04:50:36 <Trencher> very close
Jul 09 04:50:38 <Trencher> running now
Jul 09 04:50:44 <Trencher> that's pretty good from memory
Jul 09 04:50:54 <Trencher> ty very much
Jul 09 04:51:03 <megabyte405> not a prob
Jul 09 04:51:17 <megabyte405> I'm too low on RAM here to actually fact-check before I say something - firefox is a large-memory app
Jul 09 04:51:24 <megabyte405> but if I think I know something, I'm glad to pass it on
Jul 09 05:09:04 <Trencher> le-crash
Jul 09 05:09:50 <Trencher> meh
Jul 09 05:34:54 <Trencher> waaaait
Jul 09 05:34:58 <Trencher> i'm missing something here
Jul 09 05:35:42 <Trencher> wow
Jul 09 06:59:45 <disq> mmm. nokia people were visible (answering mailing lists, posting in bugzilla, etc) but now it's dead silent. i smell monday meeting.
Jul 09 06:59:52 <disq> and i'm bored, yes.
Jul 09 07:34:14 <cy-> So where does one get the new firmware anyways?  "OS 2007 edition v. 3.2007.10-7 includes improvements and fixes in:" from nokia's site..  via http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410958
Jul 09 07:35:18 <disq> http://tablet-dev.maemo.org/
Jul 09 07:35:40 <disq> or i think the firmware updater software can download automatically
Jul 09 07:35:43 <Dasajev> http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010
Jul 09 07:36:11 <disq> (erm sorry it's not tablet-dev apparently)
Jul 09 07:37:38 <cy-> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php
Jul 09 07:37:39 <cy-> cool
Jul 09 07:37:44 <cy-> rockin'
Jul 09 07:37:51 <disq> ah that's it
Jul 09 07:37:51 <cy-> Guess I'll update here shortly :-D
Jul 09 07:48:37 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 09 07:50:01 <disq> morning
Jul 09 07:50:39 <Komarov> almost noon here
Jul 09 07:51:09 <cy-> sup Jaffa
Jul 09 08:11:22 <cy-> Can anyone verify that flasher.macosx works with the N800?  http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php states "flasher utility (MacOS X on PPC) for the Nokia 770"  :P
Jul 09 08:14:37 <AD-N770> good morning
Jul 09 08:17:42 <X-Fade> Can somebody confirm the following behaviour on 2007-24:
Jul 09 08:18:33 <X-Fade> Open for example control panel: Press the escape and menu button at the same time with your fat finger and tap somewhere in the application.
Jul 09 08:19:21 <X-Fade> This closes the app. I can do it in the browser, control panel, notes etc etc..
Jul 09 08:20:04 <inz> X-Fade, if you hold the escape for ~3 secs, any window is closed
Jul 09 08:20:25 <X-Fade> inz: Yes, but this is short press.
Jul 09 08:21:43 <X-Fade> I noticed it when going to the previous page in my browser. It closed the window when I touched the screen after pressing the back button..
Jul 09 08:22:46 <X-Fade> After trying it out, it seemed that I also pressed the menu button at the same time..
Jul 09 08:23:06 <inz> X-Fade, true, can reproduce
Jul 09 08:23:43 <X-Fade> Pressing only the back button with my thumb is pretty hard to do for me :)
Jul 09 08:31:35 <tolgam> hi
Jul 09 08:31:39 <Enok> Where to get apache web server on N800?
Jul 09 08:32:15 <pyhimys> Enok: you don't want to run apache on n800
Jul 09 08:32:38 <Enok> Why not
Jul 09 08:32:45 <Enok> For local use only
Jul 09 08:33:16 <pyhimys> Enok: well it is kinda biggish
Jul 09 08:33:21 <cy-> Enok: run mongrel or something
Jul 09 08:33:40 <pyhimys> Some would say bloated
Jul 09 08:34:28 <Veggen> hmm. what about thttpd ?
Jul 09 08:34:36 <Veggen> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/thttpd/
Jul 09 08:34:43 <Enok> Ok I think any web server will do
Jul 09 08:34:46 <Veggen> hmm, for OS2006.
Jul 09 08:36:09 <Veggen> and there's nginx (I have tried neither)
Jul 09 08:40:26 <Enok> Thanks I'll try that
Jul 09 08:44:07 <gomiam> mmm... has anyboydy compiled the open CX3110 kernel module?
Jul 09 08:44:37 <gomiam> see https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/
Jul 09 08:59:10 <`0660> i think yes
Jul 09 08:59:36 <`0660> at least it's pretty common question if the binary blob needs to be saved separately of that module
Jul 09 09:13:27 <Komarov> anyone from Nokia here? maybe somebody who knows Jakub Pavelek?
Jul 09 09:15:09 <gomiam> `0660: I haven't set the compiler-chain yet. Do you have binaries for that driver?
Jul 09 09:15:16 <`0660> no
Jul 09 09:15:23 <`0660> but search the developer thread
Jul 09 09:15:30 <gomiam> ok, thanks
Jul 09 09:15:33 <`0660> it was a binary blob you need to copy from the device
Jul 09 09:15:57 <gomiam> I'll look it up then.
Jul 09 09:17:45 <jani> dont know jakub, what about him?
Jul 09 09:18:39 <inz> fsck, I was afk for two days and my ticket system got flooded with spam comments
Jul 09 09:35:03 <inz> X-Fade, mmh, I think the problem goes like this, 1) you press esc, the timeout for closing is set, 2) you press menu, menu is opened and makes a grab, 3) you release esc, key release goes to the menu
Jul 09 09:35:24 <inz> X-Fade, thus, the timeout is never unset
Jul 09 09:35:55 <inz> X-Fade, I'm also guessing that having a menu open prevents the window from closing on delete-event (you can also close the menu with menu key)
Jul 09 09:36:39 <eugene> hi
Jul 09 09:36:39 <_Monkey> hi, eugene
Jul 09 10:19:11 <X-Fade_> inz: Indeed.. esc, menu..wait a little. menu... That also closes the app.
Jul 09 10:40:11 <cosmo> hello, i'm trying to learn maemo development
Jul 09 10:40:26 <cosmo> first problem: networking does not seem to work in scratchbox
Jul 09 10:40:42 <cosmo> apt-get update causes "Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'"
Jul 09 10:42:31 <jani> thats common issue..
Jul 09 10:42:59 <jani>  check your entries in /etc/resolv.conf inside your scratchbox ..
Jul 09 10:43:15 <inz> and nsswitch.conf
Jul 09 10:43:27 <jani> true, that too.
Jul 09 10:43:34 <inz> or, more precisely /scratchbox/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf
Jul 09 10:44:12 <jani> is this issue commented in the wiki ? its asked alot, should be some sort of faq allready
Jul 09 10:45:33 <Komarov> jani, I've spent days withi this and other bugs around maemo. My advice: find a VMWare image with Ubuntu and scratchbox configured, and just start working@
Jul 09 10:46:21 <Komarov> they call it maemo appliance or smth like that
Jul 09 10:46:30 <inz> I've made a /etc/network/if-up.d -script that updates my resolv.conf when the network is brought up
Jul 09 10:46:37 <inz> Eases life quite a bit on a laptop
Jul 09 10:49:02 <jani> Komarov: what ?
Jul 09 10:49:58 <jani> i didnt have problem with that =) i was just commenting that maybe the issue should be put to maemo wiki as faq cuz it comes up quite often..
Jul 09 10:50:59 <Komarov> okaaay...
Jul 09 10:53:28 <Komarov> oh, jani... I actually addressed that to cosmo! :-D
Jul 09 10:53:51 <jani> =)
Jul 09 10:54:55 <cosmo> Komarov: ok, i'll consider that if setting up sbox seems too hard
Jul 09 10:56:25 <Komarov> in my case double-checking all the setting didn't help: I could ping any domain and get any data from internet - except of 'apt-get update' :-E...
Jul 09 10:57:04 <cosmo> got it working! :)
Jul 09 10:57:07 <rZr> hi
Jul 09 10:57:16 <Komarov> what did you do?
Jul 09 10:57:34 * rZr is wondering if nokia still provides vounchers for developpers ?
Jul 09 10:57:37 <cosmo> i edited /scratchbox/etc/{resolv,nsswitch}.conf (outside sbox)
Jul 09 10:57:42 <cosmo> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/23438
Jul 09 10:58:06 <cosmo> and restarted sbox
Jul 09 10:59:22 <Komarov> great
Jul 09 11:14:01 <jani> Komarov: prolly a case thay you where behind a proxy ..
Jul 09 11:18:54 <Komarov> no, I'm sure I wasn't...
Jul 09 11:20:42 <Enok> How do I use php in nginx on n800?
Jul 09 11:21:58 <Mikho> Does anybody know what do "is_ordered" and "is_unique" mean when defining operation parameters in UML?
Jul 09 11:22:39 <Veggen> Enok: uhm...you don't? ;)
Jul 09 11:23:22 <cosmo> too bad they've stopped developing laika
Jul 09 11:23:22 <Mikho> Also, I'd like to know what do similar qualifiers Leaf, Ordered, Static, Unique, Abstract and Query mean when defining UML operations or attributes
Jul 09 11:23:24 <Veggen> or, read http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/05/30/nginx-php-fastcgi-howto/
Jul 09 11:23:27 <Mikho> extremely hard to google
Jul 09 11:30:13 <Komarov> Enok, you plan to make a phishing web-site in an open Wi-Fi network? :-) and to host it on N800? :-D
Jul 09 11:34:57 <Enok> No just local web user interface to launch shell scripts
Jul 09 11:35:05 <Enok> But good idea though
Jul 09 11:36:25 <suihkulokki> "<blink>free wireless access point!</blink> enter credit card number for identity verification only"
Jul 09 11:42:30 <Enok> There's that php5-fastcgi package in maemo-hackers repository, how to go with that
Jul 09 11:46:08 <cosmo> should it be possible to actually use apt-get in sbox? i'm getting huge missing dependencies list
Jul 09 11:47:26 <jani> cosmo: yes, its possible. however by default, i think there's no repositories defined, only your local installation file.
Jul 09 11:47:32 <jani> not sure thou, i think it was like that.
Jul 09 11:48:31 <cosmo> there is bora repository in sources.list
Jul 09 11:50:22 <cosmo> i'm trying to compile maemopad, but it depends on intltool which isn't installed
Jul 09 11:52:17 <jani> did you use fakeroot with apt-get  ?
Jul 09 11:52:28 <jani> prolly not the issue but ..
Jul 09 11:52:49 <cosmo>  yep
Jul 09 11:53:02 <cosmo> "Package intltool is not available, but is referred to by another package."
Jul 09 11:56:13 <eugene> Precompiled kernel with kprobes support for N800
Jul 09 11:56:17 <eugene> http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/7002.html
Jul 09 11:56:21 <jani> maybe, again, just maybe, you have missing devkits from scratchbox installation ..
Jul 09 11:56:28 <eugene> let me know how it goes..
Jul 09 11:57:28 <Enok> Got php working, thanks for any efforts
Jul 09 11:57:29 <jani> cosmo: sb-menu -> show -> choose your target and it will show a dialog that shows what devkits you have ..
Jul 09 11:57:52 <cosmo> i've got debian devkit
Jul 09 12:01:39 <cosmo> ok, now it compiled. i needed debian-sarge devkit
Jul 09 12:03:27 <Komarov> darn, I'm totally stuck
Jul 09 12:04:06 <Komarov> how do I login to XTerm under root?
Jul 09 12:04:13 <cosmo> i'll try to get some formal maemo training, but the next one in finland is in fall
Jul 09 12:04:34 <cosmo> Komarov: install gainroot deb, and run gainroot
Jul 09 12:04:47 <Komarov> thanks
Jul 09 12:07:25 <draeger> hi everybody, is there a way to backup the current system (apps, config, ...) prior to a firmware update so you dont have to start from scrach again?
Jul 09 12:27:12 <Komarov> couldn't find such a deb, do I need to follow old 770 instruction, switch to r&d mode, modify gainroot script etc?
Jul 09 12:29:03 <Veggen> draeger: apps no, but config yes. there is builtin backup. I always do an OS-based backup (i.e. tar up the whole thing) in addition, though.
Jul 09 12:31:12 <draeger> Veggen, hm do you think an rsync of the whole fs will restore my apps as well?
Jul 09 12:32:05 <Veggen> drager: uh. don't do that, as it will wipe out the upgrade in addition :) And probably render the system unusable in the process.
Jul 09 12:32:25 <draeger> Veggen: do'h :)
Jul 09 12:33:08 <Veggen> drager: Do the builtin backup process, then perhaps a dpkg --get-selections to a file you can use as a basis for reinstalling packages.
Jul 09 12:35:40 <Komarov> drager: tell me more details... please
Jul 09 12:35:51 <draeger> Veggen: k, i am mostly concerned about losing the contacts and appointments using GPE but maybe theres a sync too for that somewhere
Jul 09 12:36:22 <cosmo> Komarov: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/
Jul 09 12:36:27 <Veggen> draeger: hmm, I think the backup procedure will make sure you don't lose that.
Jul 09 12:36:58 <Veggen> And it's anyways in your home dir. I always rsync /home/user somewhere, so you can try to fix manually if it doesn't.
Jul 09 12:37:48 <draeger> kk i'll check out the builtin backup
Jul 09 12:37:55 <draeger> thanks for the help Veggen
Jul 09 12:38:58 <draeger> Komarov: i hoped for a way to install the new firmware without having to reinstall everything manually
Jul 09 12:39:02 <Veggen> (side note: I do wish it were possible to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, myself. It'd be so convenient)
Jul 09 12:39:17 <eugene> Komarov: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html
Jul 09 12:39:18 <draeger> signed
Jul 09 12:47:33 <Komarov> thanks
Jul 09 12:48:26 <eugene> i wonder how i can add my blog to planet maemo
Jul 09 12:49:11 <gomiam> eugene: do you already have a maemo account?
Jul 09 12:49:19 <eugene> gomiam: yes i have
Jul 09 12:49:40 <gomiam> mmm... if anything, that should be the way to do and add your blog
Jul 09 12:50:01 <gomiam> I can't find a way to do it anonymously (as it should be)
Jul 09 12:50:11 <Veggen> Installing openssh and ssh to localhost is even easier, I believe, than RD mode and gainroot?
Jul 09 12:50:17 <eugene> gomiam: actually, i have an external blog
Jul 09 12:50:27 <inz> eugene, you can enable rd-mode with the offical flasher too ;)
Jul 09 12:50:40 <eugene> inz: see the comments in that post :)
Jul 09 12:50:46 <eugene> inz: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html?nc=2
Jul 09 12:51:58 <Veggen> (side note: I always change my /etc/sudoers so that I can sudo su - as soon as I have gotten root the first time)
Jul 09 12:52:36 <inz> eguene, mentioning the "at your own risk" in the post just makes it sound like "official flasher would be safer, but it cannot do this"
Jul 09 12:52:51 <eugene> inz: i know :/
Jul 09 12:53:08 <eugene> inz: maybe that's why no one wants to try kprobes
Jul 09 13:00:54 <Mikho> is it possible to multi-thread with N770?
Jul 09 13:04:33 <inz> Mikho, sure it is
Jul 09 13:04:47 <keesj> Mikho: like watch porn and read news?
Jul 09 13:06:08 <Mikho> so, in java I would just inherit a class from Thread. In maemo I would...?
Jul 09 13:06:20 <eugene> inz: any idea who i should talk to to have my blog added to the planet?
Jul 09 13:06:34 <keesj> fork or use pthreads
Jul 09 13:06:47 <inz> eugene, I think you should email planet@maemo.org or something like that
Jul 09 13:07:03 <inz> eugene, someone else decided to add my blog, so I've no idea how it's done
Jul 09 13:07:49 <Mikho> ok, thanks
Jul 09 13:08:06 <eugene> nevermind. guess i don't have to get it added there anyways. no big deal :)
Jul 09 13:09:13 <inz> Mikho, do note that in C there's no language level support for threds, you don't have keywords like synchronized
Jul 09 13:09:13 <Komarov> unpacked the 0xFFFF, but there is not install.sh inside
Jul 09 13:09:34 <Komarov> tried to perform ./0xFFFF -r 1 but it said Permission denied...
Jul 09 13:09:37 <Mikho> inz, I'm aware of that. That's why I'm asking :)
Jul 09 13:09:46 <Mikho> never threaded before with C
Jul 09 13:10:24 <eugene> Komarov: sudo su -, or su -
Jul 09 13:10:32 <eugene> Komarov: need root privileges
Jul 09 13:10:42 <Mikho> I guess I should manually solve the critical section problem
Jul 09 13:10:58 <keesj> Mikho: I guess that in c you would more try to build event driver programs (that usualy means you don't need threads)
Jul 09 13:11:06 <eugene> Komarov: just in case you don't know... read the README/INSTALL files...
Jul 09 13:11:17 <Komarov> in the instruction it's said to do:  $ cd 0xFFFF-0.2* && sh install.sh
Jul 09 13:11:56 <Komarov> I don't need r&d mode itself, I'm trying to get root
Jul 09 13:12:23 <Mikho> event driver programs?
Jul 09 13:12:45 <keesj> event driven programming , sorry for my bad spelling.
Jul 09 13:13:06 <eugene> in the INSTALL, it says:
Jul 09 13:13:07 <eugene> Just type:
Jul 09 13:13:07 <eugene> $ make
Jul 09 13:13:21 <eugene> I am not sure where it says sh install.sh
Jul 09 13:14:13 <Komarov> http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=down
Jul 09 13:15:55 <eugene> ok
Jul 09 13:16:01 <Komarov> I dl'ed the binary
Jul 09 13:16:03 <inz> Mikho, in event driven programming you only do things when they're triggered by some event
Jul 09 13:16:14 <Mikho> well, I'm planning of creating a separate thread that reads RFID tags and sends the data to a buffer from which another thread reads the data
Jul 09 13:16:22 <Komarov> I understood I don't need 0xFFFF at this point as I don't have root yet
Jul 09 13:16:52 <eugene> Komarov: no...
Jul 09 13:17:06 <eugene> Komarov: there are many ways to gain root prvileges. enabling r&d mode is one of the ways.
Jul 09 13:17:08 <Mikho> would there be a power efficient solution without threads?
Jul 09 13:17:26 <inz> Mikho, depends on the RFID reader and the length of the processing of read values
Jul 09 13:17:30 <eugene> Komarov: in order to use the flasher program, be it 0xffff or the one provided by nokia, you need to have root privileges in order to flash anything in the first place
Jul 09 13:17:59 <Mikho> I'd assume the length of processing is pretty short
Jul 09 13:18:52 <inz> Mikho, can you get events from the rfid reader, or do you need to call some function that blocks until there's something to read?
Jul 09 13:20:09 <inz> Mikho, glib has pretty decent main loop that can monitor file descriptors
Jul 09 13:20:52 <Jaffa> eugene: email planet@maemo.org, ferenc's very friendly
Jul 09 13:21:01 <eugene> Jaffa: ok thanks
Jul 09 13:21:17 <Komarov> i'm not sure I can make connection over USB in case when I'm running Ubuntu in the VMWare under Windows
Jul 09 13:21:23 <keesj> Mikho: interesting what are you up to?
Jul 09 13:21:45 <Mikho> I'm not sure how it works
Jul 09 13:22:15 <Mikho> haven't even seen the reader hardware yet
Jul 09 13:23:39 <inz> Mikho, cannot really say then, but I'd guess you'd be better off using glib main loop there
Jul 09 13:23:45 <Mikho> ok
Jul 09 13:23:57 <inz> Mikho, threads have a tendency to bite you in the arse when you're not looking ;)
Jul 09 13:24:39 <Mikho> looks like the main problem is power consumption
Jul 09 13:24:42 <Mikho> :)
Jul 09 13:27:19 <inz> Mikho, there shouldn't be that much difference between two threads, one waiting in read(), and another sleeping in a semaphore/monitor and having one thread sleeping in poll()
Jul 09 13:28:36 <ryanfaerman> mrning
Jul 09 13:28:49 <ryanfaerman> sup?
Jul 09 13:30:11 <ryanfaerman> yo
Jul 09 13:30:59 <Mikho> three threads?
Jul 09 13:32:34 <Mikho> Looks like I should review my notes about scheduling threads...
Jul 09 13:32:39 <Komarov> these instructions make me feel totally dumb!
Jul 09 13:32:45 <Komarov> I read here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/
Jul 09 13:32:54 <Komarov> Once you've updated the repositories, you need to install the following packages: * becomeroot * osso-xterm
Jul 09 13:33:00 <Komarov> ...and how do I do that??
Jul 09 13:33:55 <Komarov> everywhere in the instructions it's said in such a short way that a newbie has to always stop and go look for the missing info somewhere else
Jul 09 13:34:13 <`0660> that's true
Jul 09 13:34:33 <`0660> could you please fix those pages when you know how to fix them? :)
Jul 09 13:34:45 <cosmo> Komarov: go to red pill mode and use application manager to install them
Jul 09 13:34:46 <Veggen> Komarov: the rest is done through the application manager.
Jul 09 13:34:53 <Komarov> ha-ha, I start to think I'll never do :-(
Jul 09 13:35:17 <Komarov> I've looked through all the software categories in the App manager
Jul 09 13:35:25 <Veggen> (oh, you need red pill mode? I wish we could get rid of that thing)
Jul 09 13:35:34 <Komarov> I think I have the required libs but when I exec this command - it still says the same
Jul 09 13:35:48 <cosmo> you need to be in red pill to make app manager to show all packages
Jul 09 13:35:51 <Veggen> ...at least for packages that are actually meant to be installed by users.
Jul 09 13:36:04 <Komarov> another surprise...
Jul 09 13:36:19 * Komarov load that wiki page in the edit mode
Jul 09 13:36:48 <Komarov> allright, and I'm supposed to have seen the Matrix film and have in mind which pill color is mode advanced? :-D
Jul 09 13:37:05 * Komarov went googling red/blue modes
Jul 09 13:37:26 <draeger> especially which one will totally mess up your life ;)
Jul 09 13:38:33 <Komarov> aha
Jul 09 13:39:48 <inz> Mikho, no two threads vs. one thread
Jul 09 13:42:48 <Komarov> uhm... I can't edit that page...
Jul 09 13:42:55 <Mikho> I really don't like polling
Jul 09 13:44:45 <inz> Mikho, poll() isn't polling
Jul 09 13:44:56 <Mikho> erm?
Jul 09 13:44:59 <inz> Mikho, it's quite the opposite
Jul 09 13:45:27 <Mikho> Looks like there's something I didn't quite understand
Jul 09 13:46:14 <Komarov> allright, I went to Tools > Application catalogue as it's said here: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html
Jul 09 13:46:31 <Komarov> and where is there "New" that I should click?? there is none
Jul 09 13:46:34 <Komarov> :-(
Jul 09 13:49:06 <Dasajev> From the menu, Tools->Application catalog just like it says
Jul 09 13:49:32 <Mikho> I'm planning on creating 3 threads for my application. One that handles RFID reading and creates event to a event buffer, one that monitors the event buffer  and one that creates the GUI and finally blocks in gtk_main()
Jul 09 13:49:54 <Mikho> I wonder if I could do with just one
Jul 09 13:49:58 <Mikho> or two
Jul 09 13:50:09 <Komarov> I'm in the Tool->Application catalog, bu I see no "New" button here
Jul 09 13:50:51 <Veggen> Komarov: perhaps it's from the menu, not button?
Jul 09 13:50:51 <Komarov> There is (from top to bottom) Main screen; Installed applications; Web catalog; Apps to install; Updates
Jul 09 13:51:16 <Komarov> oh!!
Jul 09 14:04:08 <Komarov> all right... I finally got red pill mode
Jul 09 14:04:26 <Komarov> so now I go and install necessary apps & libs
Jul 09 14:05:15 <Veggen> Komarov, a warning: be careful about which packages you update while in red pill mode, etc :)
Jul 09 14:05:34 <Veggen> busybox, in particular, isn't very wise to update.
Jul 09 14:05:34 <Komarov> rly?? thanks for warning, but...
Jul 09 14:05:46 <Veggen> (without checking first)
Jul 09 14:05:48 <Komarov> and how about bluez-utils, dbus?
Jul 09 14:06:25 <trevarth1n> Wow, have you guys seen all the SD card corruption issues with the new firmware and SDHC cards?!?
Jul 09 14:06:35 <Veggen> it might be best, for a beginner, to enable red pill mode, install the needed packages, then disable red pill mode again?
Jul 09 14:06:43 <trevarth1n> No way I'm upgrading until that crap is fixed.
Jul 09 14:06:48 <inz> Mikho, if you read the RFID things from a file descriptor, you could create and GIOChannel and add watch it inside the gtk_main()
Jul 09 14:07:02 <inz> -add
Jul 09 14:08:11 <Mikho> hmm
Jul 09 14:08:31 <Komarov> aaaargh... I closed the page with instructions how to become root and now can't find it!!
Jul 09 14:09:09 <Komarov> gotcha! :-D
Jul 09 14:09:35 <inz> Mikho, (see for example g_io_channel_unix_new and g_io_add_watch)
Jul 09 14:10:16 <draeger> Veggen, will/is there be a standalone install for skype which does not require an entire fw update?
Jul 09 14:10:42 <Komarov> oookaaay.... I try $sudo gainroot
Jul 09 14:10:49 <Mikho> ok, thanks
Jul 09 14:11:45 <inz> Mikho, for multithreaded, see pthread_create, sem_init, sem_wait, sem_post
Jul 09 14:11:55 <Komarov> but it still says the same. what do I do? How can I get info whether I have * becomeroot * osso-xterm? I don't see it in the list of apps to install but I also don't see it in the list of installed apps!!
Jul 09 14:12:08 <inz> Mikho, (monitors are supposedly better than semaphores, but I've never used them ;)
Jul 09 14:12:41 <draeger> the shell prompt shuld have changed from $ to #
Jul 09 14:13:01 <Komarov> I restarted it, it didn't.
Jul 09 14:13:19 <draeger> it should look like this
Jul 09 14:13:24 <Komarov> I mean I started X Terminal, right?
Jul 09 14:13:24 <draeger> $ sudo gainroot
Jul 09 14:13:28 <draeger> #
Jul 09 14:13:41 <Veggen> draeger: no idea :) I am just a user, not a Nokia developer, myself :)
Jul 09 14:13:54 <draeger> to bad ;)
Jul 09 14:14:05 <Komarov> it says: cal_read_block(r&d mode): size zero, block not found?
Jul 09 14:14:13 <Komarov> Enable RD mode if you want to break your device
Jul 09 14:14:34 <Komarov> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_becomeroot/
Jul 09 14:14:36 <draeger> then you have to enable r&d mode via the app manager
Jul 09 14:14:37 <Mikho> ok, I'll check those keywords
Jul 09 14:14:39 <eugene> Komarov: didn't you follow the instructions to the url i pointed you?
Jul 09 14:14:54 <Komarov> didn't find any instruction here to go to r&d! that's why I didn't!!
Jul 09 14:15:10 <eugene> Komarov: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html
Jul 09 14:15:34 * Komarov sighs
Jul 09 14:15:36 <eugene> Komarov: just relax, read through, and follow the instructions. it's very simple.
Jul 09 14:15:51 <eugene> Komarov: download the program, su -, run the program, and you are done.
Jul 09 14:16:19 <Komarov> thanks for you patience guys
Jul 09 14:16:35 <eugene> no worries.
Jul 09 14:18:21 <eugene> Komarov: you might want to learn some basics of apt-get too. dpkg -l to list all installed apps. apt-cache search <app name> to search, and apt-get install <app name> to install.
Jul 09 14:18:23 <Komarov> allright, I follow you instruction in the LJ. I've downloaded the binary, unpacked it and have several dirs, in the bin I see 0xFFFF
Jul 09 14:18:35 <eugene> Komarov: ok.
Jul 09 14:18:40 <Komarov> I made a+x but still if I try to run it I get Permission denied
Jul 09 14:18:40 <eugene> Komarov: type id, and show methe output
Jul 09 14:18:54 <Komarov> user/users
Jul 09 14:18:59 <eugene> good.
Jul 09 14:19:02 <eugene> type su -
Jul 09 14:19:10 <eugene> wait
Jul 09 14:19:13 <eugene> where are you now?
Jul 09 14:19:17 <eugene> in the n800 shell?
Jul 09 14:19:26 <eugene> or your host machine?
Jul 09 14:19:33 <Komarov> uhm... I do it in the X Terminal on the N800 itself :-)
Jul 09 14:19:43 <draeger> :)
Jul 09 14:19:51 <eugene> i have not tried to do it within n800 itself.. :)
Jul 09 14:20:15 <Komarov> I thought I should run it there because the binary is compiled to ARM
Jul 09 14:20:32 <eugene> Komarov: for flashing, it doesn't matter.
Jul 09 14:20:47 <Komarov> so I need to exec it on my host?
Jul 09 14:20:54 <eugene> yes.
Jul 09 14:20:59 <eugene> su -
Jul 09 14:21:04 <eugene> off your n800
Jul 09 14:21:08 <Komarov> I can't imagine how to setup network between n800 and my host insive a VM
Jul 09 14:21:08 <eugene> ./0xffff blah blah
Jul 09 14:21:11 <eugene> on your n800
Jul 09 14:21:12 <eugene> done
Jul 09 14:21:48 <Komarov> wait wait wait... and how about the name of that page:
Jul 09 14:21:52 <Komarov> The really EASY way to become root of your Nokia 770 (no ssh, no R&D ...)
Jul 09 14:22:20 <eugene> i have not try that, your on your own.
Jul 09 14:23:19 <Komarov> i'm shocked...
Jul 09 14:23:42 <Komarov> all that stuff there is so incomplete and old...
Jul 09 14:24:03 <Komarov> and I can't fix it inspite of that it's wiki
Jul 09 14:24:23 <eugene> it's users contributions. user make an effort to update them.
Jul 09 14:24:39 <Komarov> I'm registered, so how do I do that?
Jul 09 14:25:52 <eugene> Komarov: are you using windows?
Jul 09 14:26:00 <Komarov> yeah...
Jul 09 14:26:08 <eugene> Komarov: just use the windows flasher. problem solved.
Jul 09 14:26:18 <Komarov> I also have Ubuntu installed but I can't setup scratchbox there because of that apt-get error
Jul 09 14:26:46 <eugene> Komarov: are you familiar with debian and apt-get stuff?
Jul 09 14:27:12 <Komarov> nope, but I honestly checked and re-checked all the places I should
Jul 09 14:27:22 <Komarov> according to instructions and advices given here
Jul 09 14:27:30 <eugene> Komarov: then honestly, learn the basics first, before you even start working on scratchbox.
Jul 09 14:27:41 <eugene> Komarov: following the instructions blindly won't help you much. really.
Jul 09 14:28:18 <Komarov> I had DNS and network set up normally but apt-get didn't work while everything elsedid
Jul 09 14:28:39 <eugene> that's probably a question you migiht want to ask @ #ubuntu
Jul 09 14:29:44 <Komarov> thanks for an advice... I didn't expect it will be so sophisticated
Jul 09 14:29:45 <eugene> Komarov: another way is to install dropbear ssh (google for some tutorial)
Jul 09 14:29:59 <eugene> Komarov: and then ssh root@n800's ip, and use the password rootme.
Jul 09 14:30:13 <eugene> Komarov: it's not that complicated really. not sure why it's complicated for you. i'm just trying to help :)
Jul 09 14:30:56 <Komarov> looks like I'm just dummy :-)
Jul 09 14:31:20 <eugene> nah, you just need to learn... you skipped a couple of steps that you shouldn't :)
Jul 09 14:31:24 <inz> eugene, I think the windows flasher doesn't support setting r&d-mode
Jul 09 14:31:27 <Komarov> that's a bad windows programmer habit - to expect that docs are recent and detailed
Jul 09 14:31:41 <inz> Komarov, install dropbear-server and ssh root@localhost ;)
Jul 09 14:31:42 <eugene> inz: oh. ok. thanks, i don't know that
Jul 09 14:32:00 <Komarov> I actually already have it installed, will try...
Jul 09 14:32:20 <Komarov> never worked in a network over USB, need some time
Jul 09 14:32:21 <`0660> just change the root password quickly...
Jul 09 14:32:55 <Komarov> And I also wasn't born with the knowledge of what the n800 IP is :-D but I'll google it
Jul 09 14:33:07 <eugene> hehe
Jul 09 14:33:16 <eugene> Komarov: if you already have xterm, then type ssh root@localhost
Jul 09 14:34:45 <Komarov> yeah baby!!
Jul 09 14:35:17 <eugene> i think that is a sign of good news
Jul 09 14:35:18 <Komarov> god, I've forgot 10 time what I actually planned to do
Jul 09 14:35:36 <Komarov> before I started this root-war :-)
Jul 09 14:35:46 <eugene> that happens to me a lot too
Jul 09 14:35:51 <eugene> i'm supposed to do something
Jul 09 14:36:10 <Komarov> this is a great way to become a root, I think that old instruction should be replaced by something shorter now
Jul 09 14:36:25 <eugene> it's a matter of preference and choices
Jul 09 14:36:44 <pyhimys> can i use the the flasher-2.0.macosx to update latest firmware to n800?
Jul 09 14:37:07 <pyhimys> Preferably without bricking the device
Jul 09 14:40:30 <pyhimys> Apparently yes
Jul 09 14:40:45 <pyhimys> I have a g4 powerbook.
Jul 09 14:40:53 <pyhimys> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5731
Jul 09 15:00:09 <Komarov> is there Midnight Commander for n800?
Jul 09 15:28:44 <vbraun> I'm trying to flash my n800 under Fedora 7, but flasher is stuck at "Suitable USB device not found, waiting"
Jul 09 15:31:55 <vbraun> running strace, it seems to search under /dev/bus/usb/00*/* but the n800 does not show up there.
Jul 09 15:32:15 <florian> vbraun: turn it off and on again... you need to be in bootloader for flashing
Jul 09 15:32:18 <vbraun> it is listed in /proc/bus/usb/00*/*
Jul 09 15:32:46 <vbraun> I turned in on with home button, its showing the "NOKIA" screen with the usb symbol in the corner right now.
Jul 09 15:34:05 <florian> Do you have procbususb mounted on /proc/bus/usb?
Jul 09 15:34:46 <vbraun> only proc on /proc type proc (rw)
Jul 09 15:35:26 <florian> ah, then mount that usb stuff in there
Jul 09 15:35:27 <vbraun> is there a procbususb in 2.6.21?
Jul 09 15:37:24 <florian> vbraun: i guess so
Jul 09 15:37:54 <vbraun> Not on fedora, apparently
Jul 09 15:38:18 <vbraun> I flashed with fedora core 6 previously, and that worked
Jul 09 15:38:49 <florian> iirc it is not used per default in some distributions anymore... maybe you need to load a module.
Jul 09 15:40:11 <vbraun> but the flasher looks into /dev/bus/usb/00*/*
Jul 09 15:40:21 <vbraun> so if anything it needs something mounted under /dev
Jul 09 15:40:45 <vbraun> or maybe some udev rule to create the usb entry?
Jul 09 15:40:53 <chunow> hi
Jul 09 15:43:26 <vbraun> ok, flashing now after really ugly hack: mv /dev/bus/usb /dev/bus/usb-old && ln -s /proc/bus/usb /dev/bus/usb
Jul 09 15:48:10 <egsavage> any nokia 770 users around ? was wondering about RAM
Jul 09 15:49:57 <Fatal> i'm online from my 770 atm
Jul 09 15:53:07 <inz> vbraun, can you do: mount procbususb /proc/bus/usb -t usbfs
Jul 09 15:53:34 <inz> erm
Jul 09 15:53:55 <inz> sorry, my bad
Jul 09 15:54:14 <inz> flasher works for me, and my computer uses /proc/bus/usb (not /dev/bus/usb)
Jul 09 15:56:13 <xxxx85> hi
Jul 09 16:07:37 <vbraun> [root@carrot bus]# mount procbususb /proc/bus/usb -t usbfs
Jul 09 16:07:37 <vbraun> mount: procbususb already mounted or /proc/bus/usb busy
Jul 09 16:07:46 <vbraun> (for the record)
Jul 09 16:09:20 <vbraun> inz: are you using Fedora 7?
Jul 09 16:09:45 <inz> vbraun, nope, ubuntu dapper
Jul 09 16:12:24 <inz> The path comes from libusb, so I'm guessing Fedora is broken
Jul 09 16:12:31 <vbraun> "mount  -t usbfs none /dev/bus/usb" works
Jul 09 16:13:05 <vbraun> Either fedora is broken or /dev/bus/usb is depreciated and should be somewhere in /sys
Jul 09 16:13:20 <vbraun> trying to find out which ;-)
Jul 09 16:15:40 <keesj> where can i download that plankton ting?
Jul 09 16:15:46 <keesj> thing
Jul 09 16:33:36 <Mikho> hmm, glade looks like a sensible choice for creating UI:s for maemo. Does anybody have experience on that?
Jul 09 16:40:18 <dragorn> Look at the maemo dev wiki and see if there are libglade methods for handling the hildon bits
Jul 09 16:40:32 <dragorn> otherwise, yes, presumably as long as you have libglade and xml support on the device it'll work
Jul 09 16:40:50 <dragorn> I usually just build my gtk interfaces in code, but I'm ornery like that
Jul 09 16:42:06 <Mikho> hmm, my scratchbox has libglade2 but not libglade3
Jul 09 16:44:04 <Mikho> oh, libglade is 2.0 at max, but glade itself is 3
Jul 09 16:49:11 <Presence_> hey guys...were can I get a good busybox with ping that doesnt segfault when I "ps"
Jul 09 16:50:09 <Presence_> I have busybox_1.01-4.osso10-ipv6.etc1_armel I dont care about ipv6
Jul 09 16:50:42 <suihkulokki> you can build a separate ping app
Jul 09 16:51:34 <Presence_> I dont have a sandbox to compile in :(
Jul 09 16:53:14 <Presence_> hmm...stopped segfaulting
Jul 09 16:53:39 <Presence_> anyone had luck with WPA using cisco LEAP?
Jul 09 17:06:38 <Presence_> how do you move apps that installed without asking you where?
Jul 09 17:06:54 <Presence_> (I want my xterm out of "extras")
Jul 09 17:09:21 <killfill> damn.. i forgot to backup my repos before flashing.. :S
Jul 09 17:10:35 <inz> pres, controlpanel / navigation -> organize
Jul 09 17:11:40 <Presence_> cool
Jul 09 17:11:42 <killfill> the skye client is cool..
Jul 09 17:11:55 <killfill> is there a new SIP client around?..
Jul 09 17:13:07 <Presence_> hmm...no "navigation" icon
Jul 09 17:13:35 <trevarth1n> OK, so I found a name for my ukmp knock off. I'm calling it Kagu Media Player. The mascot is a kagu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagu   And if K.A.G.U. was an acronym (I don't think it is), it would stand for Kagu Ardently Granulates Ukmp, because Kagu is a rewrite of ukmp with a heavy focus on object oriented design.
Jul 09 17:14:45 <trevarth1n> And now, I'm renaming my svn repo and having done with it. :) Too much thinking about recursive acronyms and stupid birds.
Jul 09 17:14:47 <Presence_> ah, task navigtor
Jul 09 17:16:18 <disq> mmm, nice
Jul 09 17:16:39 <disq> btw, please add maemoscrobbler support? :P
Jul 09 17:17:49 <disq> i've been playing with ukmp, it's supposed to be 5 minutes of work but looks like it's going to take longer, missing some data structures here and there
Jul 09 17:18:42 <trevarth1n> ukmp? missing data structures? huh?
Jul 09 17:18:55 <trevarth1n> This ukmp? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp/
Jul 09 17:19:53 <killfill> isnt there a link for "click here to add all apr repositories"?.. :P
Jul 09 17:20:17 <disq> what kind of person keeps the songlist with prepended track numbers
Jul 09 17:20:54 <trevarth1n> disq: why does it matter? :)
Jul 09 17:21:27 <disq> submitting the current playing track/artist/album via dbus, it does :)
Jul 09 17:21:33 <Presence_> can you increase the ram in the 770?
Jul 09 17:21:44 <gomiam> killfill: there _is_ a link that adds some repositories :-P
Jul 09 17:21:45 <Presence_> I put a 2G mmc in...but its just storage
Jul 09 17:22:03 <gomiam> (actually, it's a maemo package available through the application manager)
Jul 09 17:22:15 <disq> so i'm making a songlist_clean[] array. not a clean approach but i'll try that first
Jul 09 17:22:25 <killfill> gomiam: really?.. where? :P
Jul 09 17:22:33 * gomiam checks...
Jul 09 17:22:52 <trevarth1n> disq: Is this ukmp related work? If so, you might want to play with Kongu, it's got a much cleaner object system. Might save you a lot of time.
Jul 09 17:22:59 <trevarth1n> err.... kagu
Jul 09 17:23:06 <trevarth1n> can't remember my own player's name.
Jul 09 17:23:19 <disq> :) kongo.
Jul 09 17:23:24 <trevarth1n> yeah. :)
Jul 09 17:23:39 <trevarth1n> let me know if you want a tar.gz.
Jul 09 17:24:00 <disq> just adding maemoscrobbler support, to test how the api works etc mostly. i might also submit a patch if i get the hang of it
Jul 09 17:24:03 <disq> i do :)
Jul 09 17:24:21 <gomiam> killfill: look for maemo-repository
Jul 09 17:24:24 <trevarth1n> First, do you have python 2.5?
Jul 09 17:24:36 <gomiam> it's available at the mistral free packages from maemo
Jul 09 17:24:48 <disq> btw, any idea how the song length/position is reported from gst? the integers are awfully big (11650612244 and 233000000000, etc)
Jul 09 17:24:55 <gomiam> then again, you can use my sources.list (I hope you are using n800)
Jul 09 17:25:17 <disq> yeah i have 2.5
Jul 09 17:25:21 <gomiam> http://educa.feyts.uva.es/~magao/sources.list
Jul 09 17:25:28 <gomiam> it's an oldish copy
Jul 09 17:25:28 <trevarth1n> disq: not sure yet. kagu is a mplayer frontend in it's current state, though I plan to add gst support shortly.
Jul 09 17:25:34 <gomiam> but it might a good place to start
Jul 09 17:25:35 <Presence_> anyone have luck using a windows box for ip connectivity?
Jul 09 17:25:39 <trevarth1n> ok. kagu requires 2.5. Hang on for a URL.
Jul 09 17:25:58 <gomiam> Presence_: through USB? through WiFi?
Jul 09 17:26:17 <Presence_> well, it appears that it doesnt support cisco LEAP on wifi.
Jul 09 17:26:31 <Presence_> I dont know how I could get IP through USB...
Jul 09 17:26:39 <killfill> maemo-repository?..
Jul 09 17:27:10 <gomiam> killfill: forget about that package. It's a mistral free package at repository.maemo.org
Jul 09 17:27:17 <gomiam> or don't forget about it
Jul 09 17:27:24 <gomiam> it will add a few extra repositories
Jul 09 17:27:28 <killfill> mistral wants an old version of maemo?
Jul 09 17:27:32 <gomiam> nope
Jul 09 17:27:39 <gomiam> it works perfectly on N800+IT 2007
Jul 09 17:27:42 <killfill> hm.. /me confused
Jul 09 17:27:57 <gomiam> Presence_: IP over USB requires developer-mode, IIRC
Jul 09 17:28:02 <killfill> well.. ill just stick your sources.list in here.. :)
Jul 09 17:28:04 <killfill> thanks!
Jul 09 17:28:08 <gomiam> http://educa.feyts.uva.es/~magao/sources.list
Jul 09 17:28:10 <gomiam> it's there
Jul 09 17:28:15 <killfill> yup greate
Jul 09 17:28:26 <gomiam> if I drop it here I'll be flood-disconnected
Jul 09 17:28:37 <killfill> ill goto lunch
Jul 09 17:28:38 <killfill> brb
Jul 09 17:28:49 <gomiam> bye
Jul 09 17:28:55 <Presence_> I wanted IP over bluetooth...and there are docs on it...but the commands tell me "protocol not supported"
Jul 09 17:29:03 <Presence_> its like I dont have the proper module loaded
Jul 09 17:29:03 <gomiam> ?
Jul 09 17:29:23 <gomiam> I guess I can't help there. I'm using WiFi through and through.
Jul 09 17:29:56 <Presence_> I use wifi at home with WPA2 PSK...but here I need Leap
Jul 09 17:30:04 <disq> trevarth1n: found it, dividing the gst_time to gst.MSECOND gives you time in miliseconds
Jul 09 17:30:35 <disq> or gst.SECOND for seconds
Jul 09 17:30:45 <gomiam> Presence_: mmm... you have a Bluetooth enabled computer that isn't a laptop, perhaps?
Jul 09 17:30:52 <Presence_> it is a laptop.
Jul 09 17:31:05 <Presence_> I can find it when I search...
Jul 09 17:31:41 <gomiam> and how does that laptop connect to Internet? Over WiFi?
Jul 09 17:32:01 <Presence_> over either cable or wifi...here I use rj45
Jul 09 17:32:13 <trevarthan> disq: cool, I'll keep that in mind.
Jul 09 17:32:37 <gomiam> Presence_: you may want to share your cable connection through the WiFi interface
Jul 09 17:32:59 <gomiam> I have done that sometimes.
Jul 09 17:33:12 <Presence_> ah, I see...set up wifi ad-hoc
Jul 09 17:33:30 <gomiam> Presence_: or even as a host, if your laptop's WiFi cards allows you to.
Jul 09 17:33:39 <gomiam> s/host/access point/
Jul 09 17:33:39 <infobot> gomiam meant: Presence_: or even as a access point, if your laptop's WiFi cards allows you to.
Jul 09 17:34:05 <gomiam> my USB ZD1211 WiFi card's software lets me set up an AP
Jul 09 17:34:05 <Presence_> they might detect it as a rogue...but since Im on the security teammm.
Jul 09 17:34:08 <Presence_> bt would be better
Jul 09 17:34:22 <Presence_> I have a cisco card that will do pretty much everything
Jul 09 17:34:22 <gomiam> rogue? No problem. Just don't advertise it :-)
Jul 09 17:34:39 <fuelfive> is there a way to get the WLAN id from the command line?
Jul 09 17:34:49 <gomiam> wlan id?
Jul 09 17:34:53 <gomiam> as in the ESSID?
Jul 09 17:35:04 <gomiam> or do you mean the wlan interface name?
Jul 09 17:35:24 <fuelfive> the number that Nokia uses as a serial number
Jul 09 17:35:26 <fuelfive> under the battery
Jul 09 17:35:29 <fuelfive> also visible in system info
Jul 09 17:35:30 <gomiam> oh, yes
Jul 09 17:35:42 <gomiam> /sbin/ifconfig -a wlan0
Jul 09 17:35:56 <gomiam> of course, you need to prune the data a bit :-)
Jul 09 17:36:20 <fuelfive> hehe, thanks :) testing it now
Jul 09 17:38:24 <gomiam> script line to get it:
Jul 09 17:38:55 <gomiam> ifconfig -a wlan0|grep HW|cut -f2- -dH|cut -f2 -d\
Jul 09 17:39:02 <gomiam> there's a space character after d\
Jul 09 17:39:20 <gomiam> it's a bit convoluted, but it will do the work
Jul 09 17:39:30 <gomiam> since I don't remember whether there's sed in the N800
Jul 09 17:39:34 <fuelfive> neat thanks
Jul 09 17:39:43 <fuelfive> this saves me a regexp in python
Jul 09 17:40:59 <gomiam> even shorter, since _there is_ sed in N800
Jul 09 17:41:21 <gomiam> /sbin/ifconfig -a |grep HW|sed -e "s/.*HWaddr //"
Jul 09 17:42:00 <fuelfive> excellent
Jul 09 17:42:05 <gomiam> then again, since Python has regexp's, you may want to use them inside Python and not as part of a shellscript.
Jul 09 17:42:31 <fuelfive> I have to call commands.getstatusoutput("...") anyway, so I may as well make it one line
Jul 09 17:42:54 * gomiam checks whether there's a file with the information about the netcard...
Jul 09 17:43:10 <fuelfive> it's cool, this works great
Jul 09 17:43:28 <gomiam> no problem, I'm just curious :-)
Jul 09 17:43:45 <gomiam> I need to buy a Bt keyboard soon
Jul 09 17:43:52 <gomiam> the virtual kbd gets old quicly
Jul 09 17:44:00 <fuelfive> I just use ssh from my main machine
Jul 09 17:44:00 <gomiam> s/ly/kly/
Jul 09 17:44:00 <infobot> gomiam meant: the virtual kbd gets old quickly
Jul 09 17:44:03 <fuelfive> so its not so bad
Jul 09 17:44:16 <gomiam> that's what I'm doing _now_ :-D
Jul 09 17:44:44 <fuelfive> yeah, bt would make some stuff easier, specifically when I'm off the grid
Jul 09 17:48:55 <Presence_> so the 800 is alot better huh?  I got the 770 because it was like $159
Jul 09 17:49:48 <gomiam> Presence_: well, the N800 has double the processor speed (and a FP math coprocessor), double the RAM double the inner Flash, two SD slots (which now support up to 8GB)
Jul 09 17:50:02 <gomiam> yeah, you could say it's a bit better ;-)
Jul 09 17:50:16 <Presence_> but alot more expensive :)
Jul 09 17:50:20 <gomiam> true, true
Jul 09 17:50:22 <trevarthan> disq: (and anyone else who wants the latest version of kagu) http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz
Jul 09 17:50:28 <Presence_> I wish I could increase the ram in this thing though
Jul 09 17:51:47 <gomiam> killfill: ok, I found where in /sys lis the WiFi MAC
Jul 09 17:52:00 <trevarthan> disq: I think it's free of memory leaks right now, but it still has a very large memory footprint. I hope to reduce that in the near future. You'll need mplayer and python 2.5 to run it, then: `cd kagu-dist; ./kagu-scanner.py; ./kagu.py`
Jul 09 17:52:03 <gomiam> /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap/cal_mac_address
Jul 09 17:52:21 <gomiam> fuelfive: /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap/cal_mac_address  has the MAC address of your WiFi card.
Jul 09 17:52:24 <trevarthan> a2dp?
Jul 09 17:52:24 <_Monkey> i think a2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :)
Jul 09 17:52:30 <||cw> yeh but the n800 is only a little more expensive that the 770 was when it was new
Jul 09 17:52:55 <trevarthan> disq: if you want a2dp support, follow the instruction on that page above first, then it should just work automatically in kagu.
Jul 09 17:53:00 <fuelfive> wow
Jul 09 17:53:03 <fuelfive> nice find gomiam
Jul 09 17:53:10 <gomiam> O:-)
Jul 09 17:53:52 <gomiam> curiosity killed the cat, satisfaction brought him back.
Jul 09 17:55:10 <trevarthan> kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz
Jul 09 17:55:13 <trevarthan> kagu?
Jul 09 17:55:14 <_Monkey> somebody said kagu was not ukmp! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagu
Jul 09 17:55:35 <trevarthan> forget kagu
Jul 09 17:55:36 <_Monkey> trevarthan: I forgot kagu
Jul 09 17:55:44 <trevarthan> kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz
Jul 09 17:55:48 <trevarthan> kagu?
Jul 09 17:55:48 <_Monkey> it has been said that kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: http://www.guardiani.us/kagu-dist-20070709.tar.gz
Jul 09 17:56:01 <trevarthan> good monkey.
Jul 09 17:56:10 <trevarthan> badmonkey?
Jul 09 17:56:10 <_Monkey> badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit!
Jul 09 17:56:21 <gomiam> ermm... where does Maemo store the wireless LAN information?
Jul 09 17:56:31 <gomiam> (AP names, WEP keys and the like)
Jul 09 17:56:42 <trevarthan> goodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit.
Jul 09 17:56:44 <fuelfive> I think it's gconf
Jul 09 17:56:47 <trevarthan> goodmonkey?
Jul 09 17:56:47 <_Monkey> goodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit.
Jul 09 17:56:49 <fuelfive> er, in gconf
Jul 09 17:57:06 <fuelfive> but you can always do iwlist wlan0 scanning
Jul 09 17:57:24 <gomiam> that won't give me the WEP keys I fear :-)
Jul 09 17:57:32 <fuelfive> true true
Jul 09 17:57:35 <trevarthan> forget a2dp
Jul 09 17:57:35 <_Monkey> trevarthan: I forgot a2dp
Jul 09 17:57:52 <fuelfive> gconf stores it, although I don't understand the format of the WPA keys
Jul 09 17:58:21 <trevarthan> a2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) If you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask me about kagu.
Jul 09 17:58:27 <trevarthan> a2dp?
Jul 09 17:58:28 <_Monkey> i guess a2dp is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) If you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask me about kagu.
Jul 09 17:58:44 <trevarthan> goodmonkey
Jul 09 17:58:45 <_Monkey> goodmonkey is probably a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit.
Jul 09 18:00:03 <Presence_> I wish the 770 used SD cards, I have a buttload of them
Jul 09 18:01:04 <disq> trevarthan: album_cache.tga reading thingy needs exception handling. any albumcache image i could use?
Jul 09 18:05:07 <trevarthan> disq: kagu-scanner.py generates albumcache.tga.
Jul 09 18:05:16 <trevarthan> you should run kagu-scanner.py first.
Jul 09 18:05:29 <disq> ok ;)
Jul 09 18:06:27 <trevarthan> also, for the time being, I think your current working directory needs to be kagu-dist, otherwise the module imports will probably fail. I'll make that more robust when I release a .deb.
Jul 09 18:07:28 <disq> interested in UnicodeEncodeErrors? :)
Jul 09 18:07:43 <trevarthan> scared of them, yes.
Jul 09 18:07:59 <trevarthan> python is a real pain in the rear when it comes to unicode.
Jul 09 18:08:27 <trevarthan> disq: what is your locale set to?
Jul 09 18:09:00 <disq> en_GB, and LC_TIME is de_DE
Jul 09 18:10:11 <disq> http://pastebin.com/945156
Jul 09 18:10:44 <trevarthan> pastebin is slow.....
Jul 09 18:10:59 <disq> very
Jul 09 18:11:30 <trevarthan> disq: still not pulling up. try pastebin.ca maybe?
Jul 09 18:12:01 <trevarthan> nm. it came up
Jul 09 18:12:10 <disq> try this: http://pastebin.ca/610918
Jul 09 18:12:11 <disq> ah ok
Jul 09 18:13:44 <trevarthan> disq: I'm not 100% sure how to fix that error. Probably replacing params with params.encode('ascii','ignore') would be the first thing I'd try.
Jul 09 18:15:13 <trevarthan> I don't have many unicode albums, unfortunately, so testing is difficult for me.
Jul 09 18:15:19 <disq> trying :)
Jul 09 18:16:23 <disq> txdata = urllib.urlencode(params.encode('ascii', 'ignore'))
Jul 09 18:16:24 <disq> AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'encode'
Jul 09 18:16:29 <disq> anyway i'll play with it some more
Jul 09 18:16:47 <trevarthan> I think python is retarded for not handling ascii conversions more cleverly without throwing exceptions. I welcome any patches you might have for that.
Jul 09 18:21:53 <trevarthan> Does anyone know of a free, easy to use SVN and Trac hosting solution? I don't like maemo garage because it uses cvsview instead of trac...
Jul 09 18:22:32 <disq> get ferenc to install trac? :P
Jul 09 18:22:52 <jumpula> :)
Jul 09 18:24:35 <disq> trevarthan: params = {'q':imageSearch.encode('ascii', 'ignore')} work, but then you have to also convert album art files to ascii because "image = pygame.image.load(self.art_path)" fails. converting art_path to ascii could work but you also have to actually save the covers as ascii. you know the code best, should be much quicker
Jul 09 18:25:56 <Presence_> hmm...I need to find multi-player "hunt" for the n770 :)
Jul 09 18:27:10 <Presence_> Man, I cant believe that verizon is expecting me to pay $59/month for data through my phone
Jul 09 18:27:43 <joshin> How can I disable (or better control) the power savings mode that turns off the backlight and screen?  When connected to AC, I want the screen to stay on.
Jul 09 18:27:49 <Presence_> $44.99 for data, $15 for tether
Jul 09 18:28:54 <trevarthan> disq: actually, I have no idea what is best as I don't have the problem here. Send me a patch that works for you and I'll apply it. I think the root of the problem is that urllib doesn't like unicode. So if you convert a copy of it and pass it to urllib, that might be ok.
Jul 09 18:29:41 <trevarthan> Usually the file system, pygame, and sqlite3 won't have any problem with unicode. It's usually just print statements and other libraries that choke.
Jul 09 18:29:59 <disq> joshin: download acmonitor from here: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages
Jul 09 18:30:11 <joshin> Thanks disq!
Jul 09 18:31:19 <disq> urllib having problems with unicode really sucks. so much stuff is utf8 nowadays on the internet
Jul 09 18:31:42 <trevarthan> I know. I'm really disgusted with that aspect of python.
Jul 09 18:32:49 <trevarthan> I think ultimately I'm going to have to either have programmers in other locales fix the problems for me, or else start collecting sample albums from foreign locales so I can fix it myself...
Jul 09 18:33:06 <killfill> gomiam: hey you there?
Jul 09 18:33:18 <trevarthan> I'd prefer to do the former.... no time for the latter right now, really.
Jul 09 18:33:57 <killfill> guys.. how do i become root?.. sudo -s doesnt seem to work..
Jul 09 18:34:11 <killfill> im trying to copy gomiam's sources.list in my device..
Jul 09 18:34:49 <derf> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot
Jul 09 18:35:04 <Presence_> sudo su - when you use the howdoibecomeroot2 script
Jul 09 18:35:43 <derf> I just always run in R&D mode.
Jul 09 18:35:51 <Presence_> heh
Jul 09 18:35:52 <_Shurik_> hello maemen and maewomen
Jul 09 18:36:14 <Presence_> what keyboards are you guys using?
Jul 09 18:36:26 <Presence_> and what usb devices are you finding to be useful
Jul 09 18:36:32 * _Shurik_ onscreen
Jul 09 18:37:07 <killfill> hm.. i need sshd..
Jul 09 18:37:13 <Presence_> onscreen is ok until you open xterm :)
Jul 09 18:37:22 <Presence_> there is both dropbear and openssh
Jul 09 18:37:24 <_Shurik_> indeed
Jul 09 18:37:43 <Presence_> I use dropbear even though I was an openssh dev (less space required)
Jul 09 18:37:43 <_Shurik_> well, It just seems like extra keyboard are just going to be clumsy
Jul 09 18:37:56 <_Shurik_> unless there was something really small that can be part of the case
Jul 09 18:38:29 <derf> I wouldn't want to lug one around, and certainly wouldn't want to pay $100 for the privelege.
Jul 09 18:38:59 <_Shurik_> but now a keybard-case that I'm screaming about for a while now... that would be nice
Jul 09 18:39:17 <_Shurik_> we will never have one though pretty sure
Jul 09 18:39:19 <Presence_> sshing into it would be fine, but there are problems 1) Not always having an IP, 2) not wanting to drag a pc along, and 3) you dont have gui access to the device
Jul 09 18:39:48 <killfill> cannot find any sshd for n800 ..:S
Jul 09 18:39:52 <_Shurik_> now, crazy thing but I can't get Xterm installed on the latest firmware
Jul 09 18:40:03 <_Shurik_> well, libcurses5 actually
Jul 09 18:40:30 <_Shurik_> pretty sure that I'm just doing something wrong
Jul 09 18:40:43 <_Shurik_> is there single file install for xterm somewhere?
Jul 09 18:41:34 <Presence_> yeah
Jul 09 18:41:39 <Presence_> xterm-osso
Jul 09 18:42:02 <killfill> hm.. ssh root@ip  <--- whats the default pass?..
Jul 09 18:42:13 <derf> rootme
Jul 09 18:42:13 <jumpula> for the device?
Jul 09 18:42:17 <jumpula> rootme, yes
Jul 09 18:42:20 <killfill> aah :)
Jul 09 18:42:41 <derf> Not as fun as "toor" or just "root", but good enough.
Jul 09 18:42:46 <jumpula> root me, my friend / root me again
Jul 09 18:42:51 <killfill> jeje
Jul 09 18:43:59 <killfill> hey guys.. isnt there a sip cliente around?.. (wihtouth counting gizmo)
Jul 09 18:44:21 <_Shurik_> just use skype :-D
Jul 09 18:44:37 <killfill> yah works grate btw.. just tried it.
Jul 09 18:44:48 <killfill> but i with to use my pbx.. :)
Jul 09 18:45:21 <Presence_> hahah
Jul 09 18:45:26 <Presence_> asterix for n800
Jul 09 18:53:42 <disq> trevarthan: this works: http://pastebin.ca/610993
Jul 09 18:54:31 <disq> both with utf8 album names and covers inside utf8 dirs (image.load doesn't like utf8 filenames so i skip them for now)
Jul 09 19:17:06 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jul 09 19:32:42 <joshin> derf: Thanks for acmonitor!
Jul 09 19:34:12 <maddler> sbaturzio!!!
Jul 09 19:34:29 <sbaturzio> maddler: ciao!
Jul 09 19:34:30 <derf> joshin: Yer welcome.
Jul 09 19:34:40 <disq> maddler! :P
Jul 09 19:34:45 <maddler> disq?
Jul 09 19:34:55 <joshin> Now I just need to find a full screen clock and I can use my 770 as a clock radio (like the chumby).
Jul 09 19:35:24 <vims0r> *fg*
Jul 09 19:35:33 <vims0r> maemo chron
Jul 09 19:47:11 <Presence_> is there a moo 2 for the 770 yet?
Jul 09 19:49:12 <Mikho> moo2 for 770 whaat?
Jul 09 19:49:39 <Presence_> moo2 for the n770 :)
Jul 09 19:49:45 <_Shurik_> is that compatible with bark 1.4?
Jul 09 19:49:50 <Presence_> if there is star control 2, moo2 cant be behind
Jul 09 19:49:53 <Presence_> not far behind
Jul 09 19:49:55 <_Shurik_> oh
Jul 09 19:49:59 <Mikho> sc2 ftw!
Jul 09 19:50:06 <_Shurik_> :)
Jul 09 19:50:12 <Presence_> noone likes sc2?
Jul 09 19:50:18 <_Shurik_> I haven't tried it yet... how's it on n800?
Jul 09 19:50:25 <Mikho> everyone likes sc2!
Jul 09 19:50:34 <roope> I loved sc2 two-player combat mode. :)
Jul 09 19:50:37 <_Shurik_> I liked it in the past... nowdays I get horrified when that much time of gameplay is involved
Jul 09 19:50:45 <_Shurik_> I can't get past pacman...
Jul 09 19:52:47 <Presence_> there is pacman for the 770?
Jul 09 19:53:20 <_Shurik_> yes, but you have to load NES emulator :)
Jul 09 19:53:31 <_Shurik_> bomberman is the game I love playing though
Jul 09 19:53:41 <_Shurik_> ah the memories of nights spent with that game
Jul 09 19:55:07 <Presence_> hmm, shows as n800
Jul 09 20:09:30 * pupnik_ shoops da woop
Jul 09 20:10:14 <Presence_> where can I get libasound2?
Jul 09 20:10:14 <_Shurik_> unable to translate
Jul 09 20:11:01 <pupnik_> Presence_, roope nice to see SC2 fans here
Jul 09 20:12:11 <pupnik_> Ur-Quan masters now runs reasonably fast on the 770, with .MOD music
Jul 09 20:12:12 <Presence_> I love sc2
Jul 09 20:12:20 <Presence_> well, I need to find it then :)
Jul 09 20:12:54 <pupnik_> can you help test combat tweaks?
Jul 09 20:13:01 <pupnik_> and button placement?
Jul 09 20:13:24 <Presence_> I probably can...but I havent played it in 10 years...
Jul 09 20:14:09 <_Shurik_> mmmm, mod music
Jul 09 20:14:27 <_Shurik_> how is it like on n800?
Jul 09 20:14:32 <pupnik_> i haven't tried it with the remix
Jul 09 20:15:03 <pupnik_> don't know.  knottori did a straight compile of it and it supposedly is playable
Jul 09 20:15:33 <pupnik_> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/uqm
Jul 09 20:15:49 <pupnik_> but there will be a new version coming soon
Jul 09 20:15:54 <_Shurik_> pupnik_: how are you constantly are able to squeeze yet another drop of performance? :)
Jul 09 20:16:36 <_Shurik_> ... 3 years later: pupnik_: okay guys, Doom3 is now playable at 30fps on n800
Jul 09 20:16:47 <Presence_> I cant seem be be able to find libasound2
Jul 09 20:17:06 <pupnik_> There are a lot of things that can be done.  Most PC SDL games (open source) are not optimized
Jul 09 20:17:19 <pupnik_> i will look Presence_
Jul 09 20:17:35 <_Shurik_> pretty impressive
Jul 09 20:18:02 <pupnik_> Well i haven't done that much really
Jul 09 20:18:07 <_Shurik_> I'm really looking forward getting into a bit of maemo coding. Just always one more little project here and there left before I can start exploring...
Jul 09 20:18:21 <Presence_> is there a windows based sandbox?  I seriously doubt there is a sparc based one
Jul 09 20:19:12 <_Shurik_> windows? vmware -> linux -> scratchbox
Jul 09 20:19:24 <Presence_> hehe
Jul 09 20:19:28 <Presence_> that sucks :)
Jul 09 20:19:34 <Presence_> maybe Ill load colinux
Jul 09 20:19:44 <_Shurik_> well... I'm yet to try to install it on Fedora 7
Jul 09 20:20:01 <Presence_> I have gentoo on colinux
Jul 09 20:20:01 <pupnik_> what do you need asound for Presence_ ?
Jul 09 20:20:04 <_Shurik_> I'm not very fluent in *nux word unfortunately, so it will be somewhat fun
Jul 09 20:20:52 <Presence_> Im a unix guy at heart stuck with windows as a desktop
Jul 09 20:21:16 <Presence_> pup: It was some audio app I wanted...but after reading it, its so incomplete, its pointless to install
Jul 09 20:21:48 <Presence_> so which SC2do I want
Jul 09 20:21:55 <Presence_> the xsp broken version or the other
Jul 09 20:22:23 <Presence_> hell, I need a binary
Jul 09 20:22:24 <pupnik_> for N800 grab konttori's version
Jul 09 20:22:37 <Presence_> its n770
Jul 09 20:22:37 <pupnik_> for n770 i'll get a new version up .. eh.  soon
Jul 09 20:22:47 <pupnik_> i fixed the xsp doubling a while back
Jul 09 20:23:05 <pupnik_> i really want to finish the onscreen buttons so we can start testing real gameplay (especially combat)
Jul 09 20:23:35 <Presence_> is it worth it to get the 770 to boot from mmc?
Jul 09 20:23:54 <_Shurik_> I guess that's to install programs from MMC?
Jul 09 20:23:58 <pupnik_> i don't know.  i haven't
Jul 09 20:24:14 <pupnik_> for big games, the data goes to mmc and the executable goes onto the root fs
Jul 09 20:24:17 <Presence_> they say its 2x faster
Jul 09 20:25:17 <_Shurik_> we need a BT game controller
Jul 09 20:25:30 <Presence_> there are usb ones
Jul 09 20:25:38 <derf> For me the MMC slot has been pretty unreliable.
Jul 09 20:25:39 <_Shurik_> it's just masachistic to play on the tablet's buttons
Jul 09 20:25:40 <Presence_> logitech makes some really decent ones
Jul 09 20:25:46 <derf> It regularly just loses the whole card.
Jul 09 20:25:55 <Presence_> derf: thats unacceptable
Jul 09 20:26:01 <derf> Presence_: No joke.
Jul 09 20:26:06 <_Shurik_> derf: oh yeah? I've seen some weirdness with new update, but then again seems to be alright
Jul 09 20:26:14 <derf> _Shurik_: The new update made it _better_.
Jul 09 20:26:19 <_Shurik_> and I have a 8 gig Patriot card in there
Jul 09 20:26:24 <derf> Well, new as in 3 months ago.
Jul 09 20:26:43 <_Shurik_> really? I didn't see any problems with HCSD kernel
Jul 09 20:27:59 <_Shurik_> the only problem so far is that n800 "lost" card after I transferred bunch of stuff via usb on it
Jul 09 20:28:09 <_Shurik_> but I just took it out, and rebooted
Jul 09 20:28:33 <_Shurik_> plus I think this is because it was trying to re-read it's contents and I interrupted it
Jul 09 20:28:49 <derf> _Shurik_: Right, well, Maemo Mapper can trigger that same behavior.
Jul 09 20:29:03 <_Shurik_> hm, haven't seen that yet honestly
Jul 09 20:29:15 <Presence_> I bought a 2G MMC card...Im hoping that I dont have to mod the kernel to get it to work :)
Jul 09 20:29:15 <_Shurik_> I can't wait till mapper2 comes out
Jul 09 20:29:18 <_Shurik_> that jpg crap gotta go
Jul 09 20:29:29 <derf> Mapper2?
Jul 09 20:29:36 <_Shurik_> Maemo Mapper 2.0
Jul 09 20:29:41 <_Shurik_> suppose to be database driven
Jul 09 20:29:49 <derf> I should talk to John more often.
Jul 09 20:30:03 <derf> He sits downstairs.
Jul 09 20:30:05 <Presence_> does minimo let you set a proxy?
Jul 09 20:30:42 <_Shurik_> I actually never gotten into minimo. It's incomplete as far as usability goes
Jul 09 20:30:55 <Presence_> I cant set a proxy with the default opera :(
Jul 09 20:30:55 <_Shurik_> and opera was able to do all that I need to get done on the tablet
Jul 09 20:31:14 <_Shurik_> proxies are overrated, just connect directly :-D
Jul 09 20:31:29 <Presence_> I wanna tunnel the http packets over ssh :)
Jul 09 20:31:32 <Presence_> for personal reasons
Jul 09 20:31:39 <_Shurik_> sneaky sneaky
Jul 09 20:31:55 <_Shurik_> see, I would too, but I can't get wifi reach the bathroom
Jul 09 20:32:01 <_Shurik_> *kidding*
Jul 09 20:32:08 <Presence_> hahah
Jul 09 20:32:10 <suihkulokki> Presence_: set the proxy in connectivity settings for your current connection
Jul 09 20:32:28 <Presence_> if I could get the wifi to work with LEAP I would be set
Jul 09 20:32:36 <Presence_> hmm
Jul 09 20:32:51 <Presence_> just dup this connection, and then set a proxy on the second...good idea
Jul 09 20:33:31 <Presence_> so where can one download the scratchbox for armel?
Jul 09 20:33:50 <pupnik_> scratchbox?
Jul 09 20:34:13 <pupnik_> (that was to test if the bot had it stored)
Jul 09 20:34:15 <Presence_> to cross compile code to armel
Jul 09 20:34:19 <Presence_> ah
Jul 09 20:43:13 <pupnik_> www.scratchbox.org has howtos, Presence_
Jul 09 20:43:22 <Presence_> Im looking now :)
Jul 09 20:44:00 <pupnik_> look at a recent scratchbox howto (> 1.x)
Jul 09 20:47:34 <Presence_> Im only seeing 1.0 :)
Jul 09 20:47:41 <V-I-P> would a Nokia Internet Tablet display my blog http://www.dieweisheit.de correct ? I heard handheld devices have trouble with dynamic content...
Jul 09 20:48:32 <Fatal> V-I-P: if it doesn't work w/o javascript, you really need to rethink it
Jul 09 20:49:06 <derf> Half the web doesn't work without javascript anymore.
Jul 09 20:49:41 <V-I-P> its wordpress, and I think it uses ajax...
Jul 09 20:49:54 <_Shurik_> well let's see
Jul 09 20:50:11 <_Shurik_> oh nevermind, my wifi router is unplugged... I don't want to go into the server room now
Jul 09 20:50:25 <V-I-P> thanx, anyway...
Jul 09 20:50:37 <_Shurik_> I actually don't think that ajax is all that great, yet
Jul 09 20:50:51 <_Shurik_> I'd rather see lightning fast html instead
Jul 09 20:51:15 <V-I-P> but its interactive and fancy :)
Jul 09 20:51:20 <_Shurik_> in couple of years bandwidth is going to be outrageous so won't matter
Jul 09 20:51:38 <_Shurik_> sure, but sites, especially with high traffic, just absolutely must do both
Jul 09 20:51:43 <_Shurik_> gmail has either version for example
Jul 09 20:51:54 <_Shurik_> but I have no problem with ajax gmail so I don't care
Jul 09 20:53:46 <Presence_> so there is no way to upgrade the flash in the 770 (memory wize...)?
Jul 09 20:54:05 <_Shurik_> memory-wise?
Jul 09 20:54:08 <Presence_> yeah
Jul 09 20:54:14 <_Shurik_> what do you mean?
Jul 09 20:54:17 <Presence_> I want to have more storage and more operating ram :)
Jul 09 20:54:35 <_Shurik_> ah... crap.. I'm thinking Flash as in Macromedia :-D
Jul 09 20:54:41 <Presence_> I can boot from mmc to get more storage, but people are saying its kinda um...glitchy
Jul 09 20:55:06 <trevarthan> disq: I set up an svn checkout url for kagu here: https://www.guardiani.us/svn/kagu/trunk
Jul 09 20:55:22 <Presence_> I want to use this for pdfs for my dnd game, but the books are huge :P
Jul 09 20:55:23 <trevarthan> If you want, I'll be happy to give to commit access.
Jul 09 20:55:55 <disq> thanks but not for now :) i'll keep an eye on the changes though
Jul 09 20:56:12 <trevarthan> trac repo is here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/timeline
Jul 09 20:56:13 <_Shurik_> well, I don't know
Jul 09 20:56:16 <_Shurik_> I have n800
Jul 09 20:56:38 <pupnik_> i don't run many apps on the 770.  Usually an xterm + one other app
Jul 09 20:56:57 <Presence_> Im ok with 1 at a time
Jul 09 20:56:59 <Presence_> heh
Jul 09 20:57:06 <pupnik_> so memory is fine.  And after deleting some uneeded stuff i have plenty of room for all my programs
Jul 09 20:57:42 <_Shurik_> it's like throwing away tools from a toolbox in the garage :(((
Jul 09 20:57:49 <Presence_> I have installed alot of crap
Jul 09 20:58:05 <_Shurik_> Aaa, this cracked LCD wallpaper on my laptop is freaking me out
Jul 09 20:58:09 <pupnik_> yeah after a while i found what i didn't really want
Jul 09 20:58:41 <_Shurik_> I agree. After all, tablet is really a very specific tool
Jul 09 20:58:50 <_Shurik_> it's not a crap storage
Jul 09 20:59:00 <_Shurik_> and it's specific for everyone
Jul 09 20:59:04 <Presence_> Well
Jul 09 20:59:31 <Presence_> I bought it because I wanted to have a portable pc to browse with (instead of walking to the desktop or notebook)
Jul 09 20:59:31 <trevarthan> disq: do you have any idea which album it was choking on? Can you give me some sample data so I can reproduce it?
Jul 09 20:59:37 <Presence_> but I do want it to be private :)
Jul 09 20:59:52 <Presence_> I dont care about music or videos or any of that crap
Jul 09 21:00:04 <Presence_> I might use it for wireless site surveys though
Jul 09 21:00:08 <_Shurik_> yeah, your idea with proxy actyally does make a lot of sence
Jul 09 21:00:10 <_Shurik_> sense
Jul 09 21:00:22 <_Shurik_> especially with all the public wifi places
Jul 09 21:00:36 <Presence_> yep.
Jul 09 21:00:49 <Presence_> and the system can do it...just not the browser specific...
Jul 09 21:00:52 <_Shurik_> do you run your own proxy?
Jul 09 21:00:56 <Presence_> but if I can proxy it
Jul 09 21:00:58 <_Shurik_> right, that's what I would want
Jul 09 21:01:00 <Presence_> absolutely
Jul 09 21:01:07 <_Shurik_> encrypt everything
Jul 09 21:01:08 <Presence_> pivoxy
Jul 09 21:01:14 <_Shurik_> need to check it out
Jul 09 21:01:14 <Presence_> + tor when I really get pissed
Jul 09 21:01:29 <_Shurik_> tor?
Jul 09 21:01:31 <Presence_> I need LEAP though :)
Jul 09 21:01:35 <Presence_> The onion router
Jul 09 21:01:44 <pupnik_> i'll look into it
Jul 09 21:01:51 <Presence_> it splits packets between unknown and mostly unpredictable destinations
Jul 09 21:01:52 <disq> trevarthan: the utf8 id tag or utf8_folder_name/album.jpg?
Jul 09 21:02:11 <pupnik_> got a link Presence_ ?
Jul 09 21:02:31 <Presence_> for tor, sure...its part of the eff now
Jul 09 21:02:34 <trevarthan> disq: the mp3 file containing the id3 tag, perhaps? Or where I can buy it from?
Jul 09 21:02:40 <pupnik_> oh tor IS "the onion router" heh.  didn't know that
Jul 09 21:02:46 <Presence_> http://tor.eff.org/
Jul 09 21:03:02 <_Shurik_> paranoid much? :)
Jul 09 21:03:03 <Presence_> its not just http, but thats its primary use
Jul 09 21:03:22 <suihkulokki> I thought spam and trolling was the primary use of tor
Jul 09 21:03:25 * suihkulokki ducks
Jul 09 21:03:35 <Presence_> well
Jul 09 21:03:37 <pupnik_> given european ISP's data-caching requirement, i should really be tor'ing just out of principle
Jul 09 21:03:42 <Presence_> spamming, trolling, and hacking probably :(
Jul 09 21:03:53 <disq> trevarthan: any email i can send it to?
Jul 09 21:04:04 <Presence_> pownce might be useful for the tablet as well
Jul 09 21:04:20 <trevarthan> disq: jesse@guardiani.us
Jul 09 21:04:52 <_Shurik_> alright, I'm outta here
Jul 09 21:04:54 <_Shurik_> cya all
Jul 09 21:04:58 <pupnik_> cu
Jul 09 21:05:16 <Veggen> mmmf. ,,
Jul 09 21:09:58 <phaxx> is there a way to mount the root filesystem of the 770 on another machine via USB, or can I only do that with the MMC card?
Jul 09 21:10:34 <pupnik_> i haven't neard of that being tried
Jul 09 21:10:36 <Presence_> it looks like its mmc or sd only
Jul 09 21:10:38 <phaxx> I've gone and changed a permission on something, and now I'm getting that lovely white screen.
Jul 09 21:11:07 <Presence_> I dont wanna think about "reflashing"
Jul 09 21:11:10 <Presence_> that would suck
Jul 09 21:11:19 <phaxx> it boots, and I can mount the MMC. it clicks when I press buttons, and I even get the little menu when pressing the power button
Jul 09 21:11:22 <phaxx> but no UI
Jul 09 21:11:31 <phaxx> and no way of making it connect to a network so I can ssh in.
Jul 09 21:12:10 <Presence_> hmm
Jul 09 21:12:11 <phaxx> :(
Jul 09 21:12:32 <phaxx> the worst thing is, I#m abroad, in the middle of a long trip. just lucky to have access to somebody's laptop for tonight.
Jul 09 21:12:32 <disq> trevarthan: sending (slow upload)
Jul 09 21:12:45 <Presence_> I wish it would auto-connect to wifi when its in range and has a profile...that would solve it
Jul 09 21:12:59 <phaxx> might be handy.
Jul 09 21:13:03 <pupnik_> reflashing is pretty painless imo
Jul 09 21:13:11 <derf> pupnik_: Your opinion is wrong.
Jul 09 21:13:14 <Presence_> pup: but you lose everything :)
Jul 09 21:13:22 <unique311> whats so special about wimax
Jul 09 21:13:23 <pupnik_> yeah
Jul 09 21:13:23 <phaxx> perhaps, but itäs the work after the reflashing I want to avoid :)
Jul 09 21:13:30 <Presence_> I should find a safe "flash' image
Jul 09 21:13:45 <phaxx> I have an rsynced copy of most stuff from a few weeks ago, but it's not everzthing.
Jul 09 21:13:59 <Presence_> you rsync over ssh or rsync to rsyncd?
Jul 09 21:14:00 <pupnik> derf what's the main think you think should be improved in the reflashing process?
Jul 09 21:14:04 <phaxx> over ssh.
Jul 09 21:14:10 <unique311> will it allow me to pick up a wireless signal and move long distances without dropping the connection
Jul 09 21:14:11 <Presence_> thats the best way
Jul 09 21:14:17 * phaxx shrugs
Jul 09 21:14:18 <phaxx> it worked.
Jul 09 21:14:29 <phaxx> should have done one more recently. oh well.
Jul 09 21:14:45 <phaxx> even having a package list from dpkg would be very helpful here.
Jul 09 21:14:52 <Presence_> I wont get to actually play with mine for a few days
Jul 09 21:15:03 <derf> pupnik: The amount of time it takes me to gain root and reinstall and reconfigure applications.
Jul 09 21:15:07 <Presence_> I usually keep the packages so I know what they are :)
Jul 09 21:15:27 <phaxx> heh.
Jul 09 21:15:42 <Presence_> whats the chance you could "dump" an fs to a remote box
Jul 09 21:15:52 <Presence_> does the nokia have "dump"?
Jul 09 21:15:57 <pupnik> it has 'dd'
Jul 09 21:16:04 <Presence_> dd is close
Jul 09 21:16:09 <Presence_> should work
Jul 09 21:16:11 <phaxx> use tar for a live szstem.
Jul 09 21:16:24 <Presence_> tar doesnt always do the right thing
Jul 09 21:16:33 <Presence_> even dd doesnt always do the right thing
Jul 09 21:16:35 <phaxx> system, stupid german keyboard...
Jul 09 21:16:48 <Presence_> only dump can be setup to handle a live system properly
Jul 09 21:16:56 <Presence_> and it keeps track of your last backup :)
Jul 09 21:17:00 <pupnik> i think backing up root filesystems can only really work if you have multi-boot and mmc
Jul 09 21:17:15 <Presence_> right
Jul 09 21:17:20 <Presence_> multiboot to the flash
Jul 09 21:17:24 <Presence_> then use dump to mmc
Jul 09 21:17:59 <Presence_> to do the mmc
Jul 09 21:21:00 <samiam010203> anyone here using pownce on the nokia 770 ?
Jul 09 21:21:10 <pupnik> wazzaat
Jul 09 21:21:12 <phaxx> this may be a silly question, but where can I get the flashing utility for Windows?
Jul 09 21:21:33 <Presence_> it came on the cd with the device
Jul 09 21:21:44 <Presence_> sam: I dont think it exists
Jul 09 21:22:00 <phaxx> oh. let's assume I'm 1,000 miles from the drawer where that CD is. :)
Jul 09 21:22:02 <samiam010203> no pwonce is a website
Jul 09 21:22:08 <samiam010203> pownce is a website
Jul 09 21:22:25 <samiam010203> phaxx the flasher is available on nokias site
Jul 09 21:22:53 <phaxx> not from the same place the OS images are, unfortunately. I'll keep looking, ta.
Jul 09 21:23:00 <Presence_> I thought pownce was the new "digg" guy thing
Jul 09 21:23:04 <samiam010203> yes
Jul 09 21:23:06 <samiam010203> it is
Jul 09 21:23:16 <Presence_> I just mentioned it a bit ago
Jul 09 21:23:20 <samiam010203> i am using it on the nokia 770 with the minimo browser
Jul 09 21:23:32 <Presence_> it doesnt work?
Jul 09 21:23:37 <Presence_> or you want to test it
Jul 09 21:23:47 <samiam010203> but im trying for the life of me to get it to work with the opera broswer
Jul 09 21:24:11 <samiam010203> for some reason you cant post to it from within opera browser
Jul 09 21:29:30 <pupnik> i like html 1.1
Jul 09 21:29:55 <pupnik> it' a bit inconsistent but it's simple
Jul 09 21:32:32 <gomiam> killfill: are you still there?
Jul 09 21:43:34 <koos__> someone with gnome-vfs knowledge?
Jul 09 21:43:55 <Presence_> gnome on a nokia...man, that would be sloooooooow
Jul 09 21:43:58 <Presence_> its such a pig
Jul 09 21:44:33 <koos__> Presence_: gnome-vfs is default installed (and only for I/O anyhow)
Jul 09 21:45:09 <Presence_> for the n800?
Jul 09 21:45:21 <koos__> both
Jul 09 21:45:33 <Presence_> hmm...Ill need to check the pkg then
Jul 09 21:45:52 <Presence_> I figured it would be a lightweight wm
Jul 09 21:46:40 <koos__> no, but it such non-the-less :-)
Jul 09 21:46:52 <koos__> s/such/sucks/
Jul 09 21:46:54 <infobot> koos__ meant: no, but it sucks non-the-less :-)
Jul 09 21:47:21 <Presence_> heh
Jul 09 21:47:34 <Presence_> it looks like its just a library you can develop to
Jul 09 21:47:58 <koos__> should have moved to curl ..
Jul 09 21:48:16 <Presence_> Im glad Im a network guy, and not a software guy
Jul 09 21:48:20 <Presence_> too much shit in software
Jul 09 21:48:29 <Presence_> I mean there is a language for everything
Jul 09 21:48:40 <Presence_> they couldnt just fix perl, or adapt c
Jul 09 21:48:44 <Presence_> everyone has to have their own
Jul 09 21:48:50 <Presence_> its like were in the 60s again
Jul 09 21:49:12 <koos__> Anyhow, the Q is how i get notified about url redirection for http request (I use gnome_vfs_async_open)
Jul 09 21:49:59 <koos__> Presence_: because there is no open hardware :-)
Jul 09 21:50:47 <koos__> Presence_: you would have a network card for every application ..
Jul 09 21:51:16 <Presence_> hell its getting there
Jul 09 21:51:22 <Presence_> with the bladeservers and QOS
Jul 09 21:54:00 <Presence_> gots ta go...have fun all
Jul 09 21:57:11 <pupnik> cu
Jul 09 22:07:51 <Ginman> anyone get fceu to work flawlessly? the sound on my install is screwy and its a little slow
Jul 09 22:09:11 <pupnik> n770 or 800?
Jul 09 22:09:27 <pupnik> there is a sound stuttering problem yes
Jul 09 22:09:41 <Ginman> 770
Jul 09 22:10:06 <pupnik> i am hoping someday we'll see someone port the gp2x emulators to the nokia
Jul 09 22:10:08 <pupnik> they are faster
Jul 09 23:01:59 <samiam010203> ping thoughtfix
Jul 09 23:02:55 <danilo_> Hi, someone here had this error on "apt-get dist-upgrade" with MaemoSDK ? maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1_armel.deb - dpkg returned an error code (1)
Jul 09 23:02:58 <danilo_> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 5: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: cannot execute binary file
Jul 09 23:04:58 <danilo_> (Reading database ... 17848 files and directories currently installed.)
Jul 09 23:04:59 <danilo_> Preparing to replace maemo-af-desktop 2.9.99.23-1 (using .../maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1_armel.deb) ...
Jul 09 23:04:59 <danilo_> Unpacking replacement maemo-af-desktop ...
Jul 09 23:04:59 <danilo_> /var/lib/dpkg/info/maemo-af-desktop.postrm: line 5: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: cannot execute binary file
Jul 09 23:04:59 <danilo_> dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 126
Jul 09 23:05:00 <danilo_> dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
Jul 09 23:05:02 <danilo_> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 5: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: cannot execute binary file
Jul 09 23:05:04 <danilo_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1_armel.deb (--unpack):
Jul 09 23:05:06 <danilo_>  subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 126
Jul 09 23:05:10 <danilo_> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 5: /usr/bin/update-mime-database: cannot execute binary file
Jul 09 23:05:12 <danilo_> dpkg: error while cleaning up:
Jul 09 23:05:14 <danilo_>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 126
Jul 09 23:05:16 <danilo_> Errors were encountered while processing:
Jul 09 23:05:18 <danilo_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1_armel.deb
Jul 09 23:05:20 <danilo_> E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Jul 09 23:09:11 <jpt9> hey.
Jul 09 23:09:13 <jpt9> how's it going?
Jul 09 23:09:20 * jpt9 tried maemomapper with a BT GPS.
Jul 09 23:09:23 <jpt9> quite fun.
Jul 09 23:09:31 <jpt9> except it was off by a couple of blocks :-)
Jul 09 23:20:49 <yzf600> hello
Jul 09 23:20:56 <danilo_> HI!
Jul 09 23:22:00 <yzf600> I'm having problems installing the SDK for gregale.
Jul 09 23:22:10 <danilo_> What problems?
Jul 09 23:22:30 <yzf600> I'm trying to follow the install guide on maemo.org
Jul 09 23:22:59 <yzf600> I installed scratchbox-core-1.0.6, libs and devkit-debian
Jul 09 23:23:20 <danilo_> yes
Jul 09 23:23:34 <yzf600> but I;ve found references to both toolchain-arm-linux and toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc
Jul 09 23:24:11 <yzf600> do I install both of these, and do they get installed under scratchbox ?
Jul 09 23:24:54 <danilo_> I think so!
Jul 09 23:25:11 <danilo_> But I'm not a expert on SDK... Its my first day....
Jul 09 23:25:23 <yzf600> well the tutorial online doesn't match the scratchbox install commands
Jul 09 23:26:05 <yzf600> tutorial is wanting you to run sbox-config, but scratchbox tells me that command is old and to run sb-menu
Jul 09 23:26:16 <yzf600> sb-menu doesn't really map to well to the guide
Jul 09 23:26:53 <danilo_> Why are you trying to use gregale?
Jul 09 23:26:55 <yzf600> What it basically boils down to is I can't run the " af-sb-init.sh start" script because my scratchbox environment can't find it
Jul 09 23:27:11 <yzf600> I'm using gregale because I have a 770
Jul 09 23:27:47 <danilo_> hummm.. Its a good reason... lol
Jul 09 23:28:28 <danilo_> I dont know man.. I'm using bora 3.2 and its working fine...
Jul 09 23:28:35 <danilo_> all of this commands...
Jul 09 23:28:49 <danilo_> sb-menu, af-sb-init.sh
Jul 09 23:31:32 <hein> Handhelds are evil ... I can't stop playing Bejeweled :/
Jul 09 23:32:12 <danilo_> I want risk for Maemo!!! lol lol lol. It is a evil game... lol
Jul 09 23:32:34 <hein> danilo_: Thank god the Freeciv port wasn't updated for ITOS2007
Jul 09 23:34:34 <danilo_> hein, We needs more games for Maemo platform.... I'm trying to port TEG (risk like's), but I'm having problem with libgnome....
Jul 09 23:34:56 <pupnik>   there are a few Risk clones.  Good work danilo_
Jul 09 23:35:19 <pupnik> yzf600: use the howto for 1.06 or 1.07
Jul 09 23:35:28 <hein> danilo_: The GTK+ stuff (and the input method being tied to it) has so far scared me away from dev'ing for it too
Jul 09 23:35:43 <pupnik> sdl games are easy though
Jul 09 23:38:11 <danilo_> Yes. I know that port GTK+ stuffs are not so easy..... But I'm a "porting newbe". So, please, do not scare me! lol
Jul 09 23:38:16 <yzf600> pupnik: I'm looking at the howto here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html
Jul 09 23:38:22 <yzf600> pupnik: is that the wrong one?
Jul 09 23:38:44 <pupnik> that's correct for gregale stuff, but some of the scratchbox things will be outdated
Jul 09 23:39:03 <yzf600> right, and that's most likely the problem for me
Jul 09 23:39:15 <pupnik> i agree on the games thing danilo_ ... my works in progress are at pupnik.de
Jul 09 23:39:32 <yzf600> I've tried to go into uncharted territory with sb-menu, but I must be screwing up something
Jul 09 23:39:48 <pupnik> at scratchbox.org you can get a HOWTO for newer scratchbox
Jul 09 23:40:06 <pupnik> i don't remember many details but i used sb-menu also - let me know if you have questions
Jul 09 23:40:43 <danilo_> pupnik, I saw your web-site yesterday. I was looking for your acmonitor
Jul 09 23:40:59 <pupnik> ah yes.  derf's - i just made it work for 770
Jul 09 23:44:29 <yzf600> pupnik: do you happen to know what toolchain is needed for  770 development? cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm or arm-linux2006q3?
Jul 09 23:45:28 <pupnik> i can check what i have
Jul 09 23:45:55 <yzf600> thanks
Jul 09 23:46:05 <pupnik> cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm is what i have here
Jul 09 23:46:09 <pupnik> might be a newer one tho
Jul 09 23:46:28 <pupnik>  Devkits:          debian cputrans
Jul 09 23:46:36 <pupnik>  CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2
Jul 09 23:46:46 <yzf600> so here I think is where I get into trouble - rootstrap install
Jul 09 23:47:21 <pupnik> be sure your downloaded rootstrap is complete (tar tzf)
Jul 09 23:47:32 <yzf600> I select Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-minimal-rootstrap.tgz
Jul 09 23:47:49 <pupnik> that's the i386 cersion
Jul 09 23:47:53 <yzf600> but I also saw Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz online
Jul 09 23:48:29 <pupnik> if you're setting up an armel target, you need the armel binaries for your target environment
Jul 09 23:49:54 <yzf600> so why would anyone want i386 binaries? I thought the 770 had an arm processor...
Jul 09 23:50:17 <pupnik> you can run maemo apps natively on a PC with i386 stuff
Jul 09 23:50:26 <yzf600> oh
Jul 09 23:50:27 <pupnik> i never use it though
Jul 09 23:50:29 <yzf600> ok
Jul 09 23:50:43 <pupnik> sorry i don't know the exact filename you need for the root
Jul 09 23:50:54 <yzf600> why bother when you have a scratchbox environment?
Jul 09 23:51:14 <yzf600> no problem, I'll go hunt around on maemo.org
Jul 09 23:51:31 <pupnik> it should be in the scratchbox howto
Jul 09 23:53:18 <yzf600> I see 3 things - nokia_binaries, rootfs_nokia_binaries, rootstrap_nokia_binaries. Do I need all 3?
Jul 09 23:54:32 <pupnik> i downloaded them all but i forgot which the HOWTO tells to install when
Jul 09 23:54:50 <yzf600> ok
Jul 09 23:57:42 <yzf600> well the howto isn't so great
Jul 09 23:58:21 <yzf600> and it tells me to install the i386 rootstrap
Jul 09 23:59:03 <yzf600> So I just setup and sdk with the Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz
Jul 09 23:59:54 <yzf600> those tar.gz archives have a bunch of .deb files in them. How do the underlying deb files get installed? automatically by scratchbox?
Jul 10 00:00:33 <pupnik> they do? i thought they'd just be a pre-installed filesystem
Jul 10 00:01:03 <yzf600> the i386 tar.gz is a pre-installed filesystem
Jul 10 00:01:17 <yzf600> I can see all the files when i tar -tvzf
Jul 10 00:01:56 <yzf600> damn this is frustrating
Jul 10 00:02:16 <yzf600> the howto link for  	Maemo SDK rootstrap from Maemo downloads is broken
Jul 10 00:02:49 <yzf600> the url for the link is this:  site:downloads/download-maemo
Jul 10 00:03:19 <yzf600> firefox bombs on this saying it doesn't know know to handle the "site" protocol
Jul 10 00:04:41 <pupnik> heh
Jul 10 00:05:24 <pupnik> Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz
Jul 10 00:05:26 <pupnik> that's it
Jul 10 00:06:33 <yzf600> ok, I found that file
Jul 10 00:06:56 <yzf600> I had to do a google search since the howto doesn't point to that file at all
Jul 10 00:08:30 <yzf600> pupnik: thanks for your help
Jul 10 00:08:47 <pupnik> np
Jul 10 00:11:17 <yzf600> well look at that - I found a TXT version of the install howto
Jul 10 00:11:34 <yzf600> the web page looks like it was taken straight from the text file and the formatting got all goofed up
Jul 10 00:17:45 <yzf600> oh man, I'm close to getting it running
Jul 10 00:18:09 <yzf600> the armel rootstrap image worked and "af-sb-init.sh start" now runs
Jul 10 00:19:31 <pupnik> nice
Jul 10 00:19:38 <yzf600> but I get this error: /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 1: export: `:': not a valid identifier
Jul 10 00:20:00 <pupnik> my af-sb-init.sh is borkeded now - not sure why
Jul 10 00:20:11 <pupnik> i just run my apps without the menu-system started
Jul 10 00:20:27 <pupnik> of course they're just games... not using the hildon input
Jul 10 00:20:52 <yzf600> wait a minute - what exactly does the scratchbox environment buy you? Does it allow running armel binaries under my i386 host CPU?
Jul 10 00:22:07 <pupnik> yeah
Jul 10 00:22:17 <pupnik> and compile for armel
Jul 10 00:22:26 <yzf600> ok, good
Jul 10 00:22:46 <pupnik> so now you can apt-get update and apt-get install packages
Jul 10 00:22:51 <pupnik> if everything is set up right
Jul 10 00:24:30 <yzf600> pupnik: can you recommend one of your programs I can try to install? I can install via dpgk -i also, correct?
Jul 10 00:24:50 <pupnik> yes, but you will have to install dependencies manually first then
Jul 10 00:26:02 <pupnik> um.  i stink at packaging
Jul 10 00:26:40 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/tecnoballz_0.91cvs20060616-2_armel.deb
Jul 10 00:26:43 <pupnik> try that one pls
Jul 10 00:27:09 <yzf600> will do
Jul 10 00:27:13 <yzf600> hold on
Jul 10 00:28:46 <yzf600> ok, so dpkg looks to have installed techoballz
Jul 10 00:29:20 <pupnik> does it show up in menu?  or can you run technoballz from the command line?
Jul 10 00:29:40 <yzf600> executing /usr/games/technoballz, I get this: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set
Jul 10 00:30:38 <yzf600> hmm
Jul 10 00:30:40 <pupnik> go into sb-menu and look at the configuration for your arm target
Jul 10 00:30:53 <pupnik> Show       Show target information
Jul 10 00:31:21 <yzf600> compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm
Jul 10 00:31:22 <_Monkey> cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm is what i have here
Jul 10 00:31:24 <pupnik> Devkits:          debian cputransp
Jul 10 00:31:26 <yzf600> arch: arm
Jul 10 00:31:30 <yzf600> sub-arch: arm
Jul 10 00:31:35 <pupnik> CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2
Jul 10 00:31:35 <yzf600> c-lib: glibc
Jul 10 00:31:39 <yzf600> devkits: debian
Jul 10 00:31:43 <pupnik> aha
Jul 10 00:31:43 <yzf600> cpu-trans: none
Jul 10 00:32:04 <pupnik> when you install devkits, you can install multiple ones
Jul 10 00:32:30 <yzf600> so you think I need the cputransp kit?
Jul 10 00:32:38 <pupnik> i think you might have to set up a new target for arm, and be sure to install debian and cputransp
Jul 10 00:33:05 <pupnik> yes to run arm binaries on a pc, you need the cputransp and the qemu-arm
Jul 10 00:33:15 <pupnik> and you have to have qemu installed on the host operating system
Jul 10 00:34:27 <yzf600> well the howto didn't mention anything about the qemu
Jul 10 00:35:29 <yzf600> pupnik: qemu installing on host os now
Jul 10 00:36:47 <yzf600> ok, so is qemu basically doing the same thing as Xephyr?
Jul 10 00:37:27 <pupnik> qemu emulates the nokia cpu
Jul 10 00:37:36 <pupnik> xephyr is basically the X server
Jul 10 00:38:20 <yzf600> I thought scratchbox did the emulation
Jul 10 00:38:22 <pupnik> so xephyr is the nokia x server running as a user app within your real x server
Jul 10 00:38:38 <pupnik> scratchbox is like the glue that ties it all together
Jul 10 00:39:26 <yzf600> oh
Jul 10 00:39:45 <yzf600> either I'm really dense, or the maemo SDK howto really sucks
Jul 10 00:40:03 <pupnik> it took me several days to understand what was going on
Jul 10 00:40:22 <Radar> it's only as good as those that write it
Jul 10 00:41:25 <yzf600> ok, new scratchbox target in the works with debian and cputrans
Jul 10 00:41:26 <dick-richardson> anyone familiar w/maemo mapper? I'm having a tough time finding a good map url
Jul 10 00:43:20 <yzf600> wheeeeeeeeee
Jul 10 00:43:31 <yzf600> technoballz is working!!!
Jul 10 00:44:19 <pupnik> :)
Jul 10 00:44:44 <pupnik> Is the mouse control drifting?  ON the real device i have some problems with the stylus / paddle
Jul 10 00:45:05 <yzf600> I'm not sure - I don't know what I'm doing
Jul 10 00:45:09 <yzf600> in the game that is
Jul 10 00:45:45 <yzf600> damn, I wish I could get the menu system running
Jul 10 00:47:42 <pupnik> try googling the error you're getting in quotes
Jul 10 00:48:54 <yzf600> maybe I'll install the i386 maemo bootstrap as well
Jul 10 01:04:34 <RossVandegrift> hey everyone, wondering if something is up with the package repos?
Jul 10 01:04:44 <RossVandegrift> For example, this link is busted:
Jul 10 01:04:47 <RossVandegrift> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/a/apt/apt-utils_0.6.42.3osso13_armel.deb
Jul 10 01:07:00 <dick-richardson> I'm having a hell of a time finding working map url's
Jul 10 01:07:54 <RossVandegrift> Am I just supposed to upgrade to gregale I guess?  Those packages all seem to be downloadable
Jul 10 01:13:29 <RossVandegrift> well I just tried it and it seems that the answer is yes, mistral links are dead but gregale works fine to install overtop
Jul 10 01:23:56 <disq> looks like maemoscrobbler support is going to make it to the next canola release, indt people responded to my feature request.
Jul 10 01:24:53 <disq> i also posted a diff for UKMP 1.4, adding maemoscrobbler support. it's in garage ukmp page/tracker/patches.
Jul 10 01:25:37 <yzf600> anyone seen this error in the SDK before? : Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherqemu: uncaught target signal
Jul 10 01:29:10 <yzf600> ok, I'm off
Jul 10 01:29:17 <pupnik_> cu
Jul 10 01:29:18 <yzf600> thanks again pupnik_
Jul 10 01:29:26 <pupnik> glad to help - come back soon
Jul 10 01:29:57 <yzf600> I'll be back later after I've read more howtos and become totally confused
Jul 10 01:30:03 <yzf600> again
Jul 10 01:30:07 <yzf600> /exit
Jul 10 01:30:10 <yzf600> whoopse
Jul 10 02:07:12 <pupnik> mplayer has trouble exiting cleanly for me on it2007he
Jul 10 02:07:27 <pupnik> ah there it goes
Jul 10 02:18:40 <CtrlR> Is there a way to restore a 770 to it's default state? No extra apps or data?
Jul 10 02:18:57 <danilo_>  How to open pidgin under command line on N800?
Jul 10 02:19:43 <disq> CtrlR: reflash the os
Jul 10 02:20:52 <disq> CtrlR: get the nokia software updater from the nokia 770 site (nokia.com somewhere) plug in the usb and flash it
Jul 10 02:27:17 <killfill> i still cannot use my bluetooth earphones, can i?
Jul 10 02:48:28 <Trencher> ugh.. so burnt...
Jul 10 02:58:46 <jga23> is there any way to dynamically determine if the application is on a n800 vs non-maemo device?
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