**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 13 02:59:57 2007 Jul 13 03:04:36 will OS 2006 stuff run under OS 2007? Jul 13 03:04:55 I'm wondering about kismet and gpsd, for starters. Jul 13 03:07:59 yes deejoe much will Jul 13 03:09:17 cool. thanks, pupnik Jul 13 03:16:13 deejoe: keep in mind that kismet has some issues with the n800 - it will randomly stop working after a short amount of time Jul 13 03:16:17 blame buggy wireless drivers Jul 13 03:18:13 is there any way to update the vmware image of maemo to the latest bora verison? Jul 13 03:19:30 megabyte405: ok. that's exactly the kind of info I'm looking for. Jul 13 03:19:37 short meaning seconds? minutes? Jul 13 03:19:43 meaning sometimes it works Jul 13 03:19:51 sometimes it stops seeing new networks after 30 seconds Jul 13 03:20:09 some people say they get it to run longer, but for me it's an either-or: 10-30 seconds or works perfectly Jul 13 03:20:16 huh. Jul 13 03:20:26 jga23: look on the maemo web site on how to upgrade the sdk - it's like 3 command lines Jul 13 03:20:44 in any case, not my only reason to get an n800, but warwalking the neighborhood sure would be nicer than with a 15.4" laptop. Jul 13 03:20:47 thanks Jul 13 03:21:47 what is the difference between SDK_X86 and SDK_ARMEL? Jul 13 03:22:02 anyway, thanks, megabyte405 Jul 13 03:22:12 one runs on the x86 cpu, the other runs arm binaries using the qemu emulator Jul 13 03:22:24 deejoe: yeah - hopefully new firmwares will fix the driver Jul 13 03:22:50 jga23: exactly what it sounds like - one compiles for X86 desktop computers (aka, to test in the VM), the other compiles for Arm: the chipset in the device itself Jul 13 03:23:27 so if I'm just testing python apps, does it matter which one I use? Jul 13 03:44:11 deedoop Jul 13 03:52:10 Has anyone built psmisc (top & ps) for the latest 770 firmware? Jul 13 03:54:53 it's not built-in? Jul 13 03:55:09 i have top and ps on IT2007HE Jul 13 03:55:31 busybox's top and ps are rather lacking. Jul 13 03:56:01 gah busybox Jul 13 03:56:52 i understand it on my wrt54, but why oh why on the tablets... Jul 13 04:03:02 cause its small and is built for low memory environments Jul 13 04:03:58 oh, i get it. i think the n series is big enough for a real toolset. Jul 13 04:04:03 imho Jul 13 04:04:09 :-) Jul 13 04:08:44 joshin: it is probably close to trivial in the maemo sdk vmware appliance Jul 13 04:09:01 except that's the 2007 sdk - but for a console app it probably wont' matter Jul 13 04:09:41 megabyte405: you're probably right. figured to check here before I decide if it is worth the effort to go ahead and build it. Jul 13 04:10:12 joshin: for extra credit, rebuild a debian source package and post the deb somewhere :D Jul 13 04:12:12 Bah. :) Jul 13 04:12:20 i'm liking debs over install scripts more and more... especially after my skype problems Jul 13 04:12:22 * joshin thinks about porting Gentoo to his 770. :) Jul 13 04:12:31 lol Jul 13 04:12:41 I have it running on my NSLU2. Jul 13 04:13:00 nice! Jul 13 04:13:04 I presume you cross-compile? Jul 13 04:13:23 (or you don't really use the slug for anything) Jul 13 04:13:34 More or less. I have a second one that builds packages and hands off the compiling to the amd64 boxes. Jul 13 04:13:58 My slug runs my irssi proxy, my dhcp server, and the squid proxy server so that the kids can surf the internet "safely" Jul 13 04:14:36 Oh, and a secondary name server too. Jul 13 04:15:00 Anyone there who can speak to "becomeroot"'s warning about possibly bricking my 770 by using it? Is this really likekly? Jul 13 04:15:15 http://eko.one.pl/index.php?page=Nokia770_software#becomeroot Jul 13 04:15:21 I did it easily with becomeroot2 Jul 13 04:15:23 mattbmc: don't delete anything Jul 13 04:15:31 no chance of bricking as long as you dont delete stuff Jul 13 04:15:34 don't run apt-get dist-upgrade Jul 13 04:16:06 so it's merely a warning about "being root"....nothing about the software will brick my unit as long as I don't do something dumb with it? Jul 13 04:16:16 right, AFAIK Jul 13 04:16:22 (but I am not responsible if you brick it :D ) Jul 13 04:16:26 oh wow, you can run asterisk on those nslu2 things? (i wikipedia'ed the thing; i had no idea) Jul 13 04:16:34 and you have to be careful not to apt-get upgrade Jul 13 04:16:39 i.e. apt-get clean is no risk? Jul 13 04:16:40 since you might get SDK package versions Jul 13 04:16:43 which would really screw tings up Jul 13 04:16:46 not sure what that does Jul 13 04:16:53 I'm with you there. Jul 13 04:17:17 there has been at least one person in here in the last week who bricked trying to upgrade that way Jul 13 04:17:23 if you remove the sdk repository, is it still a problem? Jul 13 04:17:24 and I'm in here only a few hours each night Jul 13 04:17:34 Luria: I'm not sure, but I'm not about to try Jul 13 04:17:42 understandable... Jul 13 04:17:53 it's officially not supported and probably will brick things for maemo 3.2 and below Jul 13 04:18:15 I guess "modular updates" (read: apt-get dist-upgrade) is a feature of Maemo 4.0 that they're working on Jul 13 04:18:43 that would be nice, because i hate the graphical package manager Jul 13 04:19:11 I got used to it Jul 13 04:19:18 its so damn slow Jul 13 04:19:24 that's a good point Jul 13 04:19:27 and very buggy Jul 13 04:19:30 exactly Jul 13 04:19:32 esp. if you're in red pill mode, it take forever Jul 13 04:19:38 at least the log is halfway decent Jul 13 04:19:51 but heck, synaptic takes forever on my desktop machine, which isn't underpowered by a long shot Jul 13 04:19:53 so go figure Jul 13 04:19:55 yes, but lets count the bugs... Jul 13 04:20:00 Well...a little back story: Installing canola, something bad must have happened on the network becuase I always get "Installation File Is Corrupt" Jul 13 04:20:00 The author is tellin me to try a apt-get clean to clear up any bogus package files I might have on board causing this....need sudo or root to do this, however. (As far as I can tell, anyway.) Jul 13 04:20:00 So I see the very-insufficient "brick warning" on becomeroot and go and try the other method: Jul 13 04:20:00 https://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ Jul 13 04:20:08 I just get the occasional "won't install from the web" Jul 13 04:20:28 mattbmc: is it an install file or a deb? Jul 13 04:20:45 if it's a deb, it often likes to install from saved rather than "open in package manager" right from the browser Jul 13 04:20:48 reboot Jul 13 04:20:54 try it with the package manager closed first Jul 13 04:21:01 those usually do it for me Jul 13 04:21:01 megabyte: fine, so you redownload - and then when it tried to handle two packages at once (cause it took 5 minutes to recognize the dl) it crashes Jul 13 04:21:02 ...unfortunaly the combination of poor writing in that article and my poor *nix skilz combined and I didn't add my "user" user to sudo'ers before disabling root Jul 13 04:21:04 ;) Jul 13 04:21:23 sudo gainroot Jul 13 04:21:24 <_Monkey> sudo gainroot is failing. Is there any other way to switch to root? Jul 13 04:21:33 yeah, ssh Jul 13 04:21:36 Canola has an install file. Jul 13 04:21:52 mattbmc: try making sure you have the basic maemo repositories first Jul 13 04:22:26 but the biggest problem with the package mgr is this nice little bug - it keeps proxy info after you clear it... Jul 13 04:22:58 ie, clear the proxy server in the connection settings Jul 13 04:23:58 which is a big problem, say... if you use privoxy and try to backup, flash, restore. Jul 13 04:24:25 ahh, that sucks Jul 13 04:24:43 megabyte405: This was on a a fresh OS install with only a few additional installer-based packages loaded before the Canola attempt (Xterm, VNC...a few others), so there should be (I hope) no chance of missing repositories. Is there a reference list of "the minimum" repositories for OS 2006 somewhere? Jul 13 04:24:51 restore cross-firmware-versions tends to break things anyway, but I can see how that would really get you out of luck if you needed to reflash same version Jul 13 04:25:22 i now keep a copy of the privoxy deb on my internal sd card. Jul 13 04:25:23 mattbmc: well, the minimum for regular stuff and the minimum for extra stuff are two different things - I'd say just click and isntall a few things from maemo.org and you'll get all the repositories you need :D Jul 13 04:25:29 i think i've finalized my on-screen button design - it will fit to the right of any 640x480 game. Feel free to use it. http://pupnik.de/buttons3.png Jul 13 04:25:57 it's a little uneven but it's hardly noticeable on the 770 screen Jul 13 04:26:22 megabyte405: That's just about what I did to get from the fresh OS install to the point where the Canola install failed.... Jul 13 04:26:41 mattbmc: is this the new 2007 n800 firmware? Jul 13 04:26:52 there was something weird with canola wanting to be first or close to first Jul 13 04:27:01 and python was in there too somehow Jul 13 04:27:08 search internettablettalk.com Jul 13 04:27:10 megabyte405: I think I'm gonna give becomeroot a shot and see if I can use that to undo my other goof -- hopefully I can get root access back with out reinstalling the OS ;) Jul 13 04:27:22 mattbmc: I'm sure you probably can Jul 13 04:28:28 is there a way to go into single user mode? Jul 13 04:29:06 (and for anyone who cares, I'm about ready to post the re-write to the Maemo Wiki page for HowDoiBecomeRoot2....mostly the same content, just better organized so it's clear what the steps are.) Jul 13 04:29:24 Luria: no idea - you'd either have to try an init (which might be thwarted by the watchdog timers) or screw with the boot manager Jul 13 04:29:34 mattbmc: cool - thanks for contributing Jul 13 04:30:36 input probably wouldnt work anyway :-/ Jul 13 04:30:45 (welcome a proofreader - or several - to take a 2nd look for mistakes in the updated page) Jul 13 04:30:50 welcome!! Jul 13 04:30:51 :) Jul 13 04:31:07 Luria: good point - I wonder if a bt keyboard would work Jul 13 04:31:29 Wiki is probably the best internet invention since the web (ruined it) in my opinion....love em! Jul 13 04:31:36 well, i have one. i just wonder when the bt stack is loaded. Jul 13 04:32:34 no idea Jul 13 04:32:57 i actually cant wait to get the vm up and running. i havent had a reason to code in a while. Jul 13 04:33:26 Luria: come hack on AbiWord :) Jul 13 04:33:58 no, just need a simple openvpn frontend. Jul 13 04:34:03 :-) Jul 13 04:34:20 havent worked on this platform before, so best to start easy Jul 13 04:34:26 Luria: please do share - I want one too !:) Jul 13 04:34:35 Got an error when I posted, but it does not seem to have affected the actual posting. Enjoy: Jul 13 04:34:37 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot2/ Jul 13 04:34:40 Luria: right now the issue is building - we were running on maemo 2 Jul 13 04:35:05 oh right, i saw that. the power mgmt controls changed screwing the abi port Jul 13 04:35:09 or something Jul 13 04:35:21 iirc Jul 13 04:38:44 ok, so i have a silly question. you connect to a host via ssh. you want to download a remote file. is there a way to do it without starting a second local shell and scping? or can openssh spawn it from inside the session? Jul 13 04:39:53 i saw some gui clients can do it, but i suspect they are just starting a second connection... Jul 13 04:40:38 Depending on your circumstances you might be able to initiate the tranfer from the session you are in, but from the far side. This probably isn't quite what you were looking for tho. Jul 13 04:41:12 yeah, i thought back to the days of sz :-) Jul 13 04:41:39 zmodem or somesuch would still be an option if yout clients are compatible. ;-) Jul 13 04:42:05 havben't seen one of those since the early 90's tho Jul 13 04:42:05 i see you were thinking back to sz too :-) Jul 13 04:42:31 the "good old days" LOL Jul 13 04:42:45 hell zmodem is modern Jul 13 04:42:51 :-) Jul 13 04:43:17 (no need to go there....already feel old without bringing X's and Y's into this!) Jul 13 04:43:25 (no frogs needed either) Jul 13 04:43:29 LOL Jul 13 04:43:33 oooh kermit. Jul 13 04:43:41 now i feel old. Jul 13 04:43:47 and im not that old. Jul 13 04:43:50 I once had a Kermit client. Once. Jul 13 04:43:50 :-/ Jul 13 04:44:11 remember rip clients? Jul 13 04:44:42 not sure I knew that one...source? Jul 13 04:45:28 http://members.accessbee.com/jkwasnik/RIP/rip.html Jul 13 04:45:40 graphical bbs system Jul 13 04:46:05 popped up in 93 or so Jul 13 04:46:25 i think it stayed big on mac for a while Jul 13 04:48:53 wow. qmodem doesnt have a wikipedia page. Jul 13 04:49:05 Wow....I get it, but I don't think I ever ran into that.....by 93 I was already doing dial up internet instead of BBS's. Jul 13 04:49:05 Wish I would have known tho....JPG's we SOO SLOOOOOW back then! ;-) Jul 13 04:49:58 Qmodem was terminal software for the PC vs a transfer protocol tho, wasn't it? Seems I remember using that on a friends 286. :) Jul 13 04:50:03 1993, i started doing slip or similar over a borrowed dialup shell Jul 13 04:50:35 ah, the ftp archives at wustl... Jul 13 04:50:42 too much nostalgia Jul 13 04:51:05 yeah, qmodem was great DOS terminal software Jul 13 04:51:19 way cool. :) I actually managed to keep the same email address from the early 90's up until about 3 years ago when the company (coil.com) just seemed to dry up and blow away. Jul 13 04:51:50 qmodem had great xfer protocol support and a nice scripting language Jul 13 04:51:51 WUSTL and UMICH..... Jul 13 04:52:11 being an Atari aficianado UMICH was my home away from home. ;-) Jul 13 04:52:16 matt: that is very impressive. Jul 13 04:52:21 WUST was great for everything else Jul 13 04:52:30 ah, by those days i was on a hand me down pc/at Jul 13 04:52:51 I was always a resistor.....watch this: Jul 13 04:53:25 "Great DOS terminal software"...No such thing! Jul 13 04:53:33 ;-) Jul 13 04:53:37 and yet, it is so. Jul 13 04:53:42 ;-) Jul 13 04:54:09 I do miss the BBS days....8-bit computers were great. Jul 13 04:54:17 it was funny. my school had a copy of pcboard that was unused. so when hayes came out with 28.8 V.FC modems, i made a deal with the school sysadmin... Jul 13 04:54:38 i would run a copy of pcboard on the spare phone line at home Jul 13 04:54:44 nice! Jul 13 04:54:44 until hayes called to check Jul 13 04:54:52 you had it made! Jul 13 04:54:52 lol Jul 13 04:54:57 and thus qualify for the sysop discount Jul 13 04:55:10 for two modems, one for me, one for the school Jul 13 04:55:22 for the discounted price of $288 Jul 13 04:55:23 haha Jul 13 04:56:12 the really cool thing was the uart on steriods ISA card hayes made to go with the modem Jul 13 04:56:37 the 16556 or somethng like that? Jul 13 04:56:50 (man....*really* gong back on that!!!) Jul 13 04:56:59 the esp card Jul 13 04:57:26 well, it was a 16550a, iirc, but with a way out of spec buffer Jul 13 04:57:50 Ah...nice! Jul 13 04:58:20 http://www.chips.navy.mil/archives/95_jan/file6.html Jul 13 04:59:16 i remember that they were spec'ed to do 921k over local serial, which was insane for the day Jul 13 04:59:32 and since we were ordering two of everything... Jul 13 04:59:55 Wow...great link! Jul 13 04:59:58 so we had to try it... Jul 13 05:00:10 yeah,no doubt Jul 13 05:00:22 we got like 500k Jul 13 05:00:52 very interesting times....I was working at CompuServe during the 28.8 revolultion....they had a bg partnership with US Robotics (think there ended up being some insider trading involved) for the chips and built all their own modem boards....pretty sure they were the first (and prolly only for a little while) quad 28.8 modem boards in existence. Jul 13 05:01:03 that's crazy! Jul 13 05:01:05 ;) Jul 13 05:01:27 later on, hayes kept good to their word and sent us rom upgrade chips for proper v.34 - with a new faceplate to reflect the new spec. Jul 13 05:01:35 wow Jul 13 05:01:44 They also built all their own X.25 routers for their network......they had X.25 links running at 2mb/s!! Jul 13 05:01:48 that was a fun time Jul 13 05:01:58 v.34 was 28.8 or 33.6? Jul 13 05:02:04 i went from 2400baud to the fastest modem around Jul 13 05:02:06 28.8 Jul 13 05:02:08 lol Jul 13 05:02:12 k, right Jul 13 05:02:21 v.fc was hayes' "draft" spec Jul 13 05:03:17 i hope i still have that thing somewhere Jul 13 05:03:17 I did make the interim jumps from 300 to 1200 to 2400 to 14.4 to 28.8....never higher until I bought my first Mac. Came with 33.6. Then cable modems came out a few years later. Jul 13 05:03:19 Whew! Jul 13 05:03:38 that really was a pretty amazing modem to be able to pull those speeds Jul 13 05:03:57 hayes modems were great... i hope i still have it... the red leds and chrome and black finish... Jul 13 05:04:05 yup Jul 13 05:04:30 they were so solid. Jul 13 05:04:33 remember seeing those in the computer mag's of the day and LUSTING for one.....but their prices were purely corporate. Jul 13 05:04:33 never did 33.6 Jul 13 05:04:52 yeah, i saved to get that Jul 13 05:06:16 win modems depressed me. Jul 13 05:06:26 you, me and A LOT of people Jul 13 05:06:29 that was the end Jul 13 05:06:58 terminal software sucks on guis Jul 13 05:07:28 sigh. Jul 13 05:09:56 definitely never the same since... Jul 13 05:10:55 I'll grant modern copmuters all the 'cool' stuff they do.....but my Atari 800 had an aweful lot going for it. Almost instant-on.....never crashed....BASIC built in....etc Jul 13 05:11:11 Loved that thing Jul 13 05:11:12 ;) Jul 13 05:12:27 expectations were different, tho. i remember how my IIc was portable because it had a swing out handle Jul 13 05:12:50 and the mainboard and keyboard were in one unit Jul 13 05:16:11 see what happens when you mention zmodem! Jul 13 05:16:20 I'm missing something with this becomeroot installer.....the Homepage does have an installer file, but it just opens as a text page. I save the *.install file and ran it from File Manager and I get "Operation Failed" from App Manager Jul 13 05:16:37 LOL....no doubt Jul 13 05:17:05 my neighbor had a IIc....never really had a chance to get close to it or use it tho Jul 13 05:17:42 loved the concept....read all about it in Compute and Byte Jul 13 05:19:51 im still unsure as to how the nokias handle filetype definitions Jul 13 05:20:41 i would tell you to dl the debs directly and run dpkg, but if you could, well Jul 13 05:21:05 you wouldnt be in this situation Jul 13 05:22:35 I dunno. I think I would have liked it better if I were able to take it apart. Jul 13 05:22:45 i loved pulling apart my 286 Jul 13 05:24:27 wow. this is a lot of nostalgia for one day. earlier i ended up talking about my matrox m3d card (cause of the powervr chip) Jul 13 05:24:48 lol Jul 13 05:25:00 i think its the irc effect - i havent used irc for more than 10 minutes since the late 90s Jul 13 05:25:21 so there you go Jul 13 05:25:24 lol.....definitely....never was a big user, but this happens! Jul 13 05:25:57 its to be expected with these devices Jul 13 05:26:09 way past my bedtime now anyway....may have to just re-flash this thing with a new OS and stop wasting time Jul 13 05:26:14 i hope they are profitable enough to make an n900 Jul 13 05:26:29 yeah, reflash already :-) Jul 13 05:29:54 :) indeed... Jul 13 05:30:16 I'm more tempted every day to unload for an 800..... Jul 13 05:30:35 ...gonna try to give this at least a few months first tho.... Jul 13 05:30:59 i just bought my n800 mid june Jul 13 05:31:15 i thought about the n770 for a minute cause its so cheap, but Jul 13 05:31:24 there were too many deal breakers Jul 13 05:32:15 ...99% of the reviews out there make it sounds worse than it really is. Jul 13 05:32:23 in the house, i dont think theres too much difference Jul 13 05:32:31 OS 2005 must have been pretty bad....definitely had key features missing Jul 13 05:32:43 but as ive begun to use the n800 as a laptop replacement Jul 13 05:33:04 im glad for the extra storage Jul 13 05:33:11 yes... Jul 13 05:33:16 plus the sd interface Jul 13 05:33:25 that's one of the main attractors for me....dual SD Jul 13 05:33:25 I have no complaint on the 770 Jul 13 05:33:33 flash and mem are a it small Jul 13 05:33:39 proc hasnt been bad for me Jul 13 05:33:42 but for $139... Jul 13 05:33:46 fair enough Jul 13 05:33:49 ditto Jul 13 05:33:50 ;-) Jul 13 05:33:58 not begrudging anyone their choices Jul 13 05:34:22 for a laptop relacement having 2 apps open would be quite limiting....among the other factors Jul 13 05:34:54 and if you are using the n770 to read webpages on the couch, the n800 doesnt really have anything to offer Jul 13 05:35:20 same beautiful screen Jul 13 05:35:22 :) Jul 13 05:35:26 Im good with it Jul 13 05:35:28 true enough Jul 13 05:35:38 I wish it had sd instead of mmc though Jul 13 05:35:46 (even the iPhone users at work are pretty impressed with the screen on my 770) Jul 13 05:35:52 Presence_, that very thing saved me tonight Jul 13 05:36:14 My 2GB MMCmobile cards are supposed to be getting her early next week....maybe tomorrow if I'm luckyu Jul 13 05:36:32 I ordered one Jul 13 05:36:34 mattbmc: thats cause you didnt show them the screen outside :-) Jul 13 05:36:36 but I have to reorder now Jul 13 05:36:45 "cant be shipped to your address" Jul 13 05:36:48 ;-) Jul 13 05:37:23 Not sure I've had mine out in the sun, now that you mention it... Jul 13 05:37:52 Im thinking about using the mmc as the primary os Jul 13 05:38:18 take the n800, ruggedize and waterproof it, give it a useful camera, and mesh/wimax... im done. Jul 13 05:38:33 oh, and transflective screen Jul 13 05:40:59 huh. who knew - from wikipedia:Hayes originally had big plans for the form factor, referring to it as the Hayes Stack and intending to release a range of products that could be stacked beside the computer. In the end, the only non-modem device to be added to the line was the Hayes Stack Chronograph, an external real-time clock whose sales were apparently dismal. Early advertising referred to the Smartmodem as the "Ha Jul 13 05:40:59 yes Stack Smartmodem", but this naming convention was dropped a short time later. Jul 13 05:41:33 ;-) Jul 13 05:42:17 a hayes chronograph. time to ebay... Jul 13 05:42:42 http://incolor.inebraska.com/bill_r/hayes_stack_chronograph.htm Jul 13 05:42:45 Alright folks...signing off for the night. My pleasure chatting and being chatted up!! Luria: great reminiscing!! Jul 13 05:42:50 Must sleep. Jul 13 05:42:51 :) Jul 13 05:42:54 take care Jul 13 05:43:10 wow...great photo/link! Jul 13 05:43:31 it's beautiful. i'd never heard of it. Jul 13 05:43:38 anyway, g'night. Jul 13 05:44:12 Hayes may have turned into a Belkin if they had a few more years before the industry ate them... Jul 13 05:44:34 Yes, g'night! ...and goodluck! Jul 13 06:40:35 Luria: yeah a low power b/w screen for sunlight would be great Jul 13 07:29:55 hello there... Jul 13 07:30:56 i have two urgent questions.... Jul 13 07:31:30 how can i deactivate the wlan-adapter and the bluetooth adapter of the n800 via ssh (set offline mode??) Jul 13 07:32:01 and how do i get the batterystate and charging informations via cmdline?? Jul 13 07:32:05 sry Jul 13 07:32:39 hmm Jul 13 07:35:20 doesn't anyone know that?? Jul 13 07:35:23 help... :( Jul 13 07:37:51 ask on the mailing list and search the archives first? Jul 13 07:38:09 its holiday season here in the office, thus nobody but crazy people like me are at work Jul 13 07:38:12 :) Jul 13 07:38:15 and people are packing for guadec etc Jul 13 07:38:43 :( Jul 13 07:39:09 i threw the whole osso stuff out - so i need a real basic method to gain information about the battery... Jul 13 07:39:26 but i can't find a battery device or something simmilar Jul 13 07:40:46 cannot find anything on google, the #maemo-archive and maemo.org :( Jul 13 07:43:50 The battery state isn't directly exposed, it's handled by the propriatry parts. There's a dbus signal for it normally, see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-March/009300.html Jul 13 07:44:43 Hi to all Jul 13 07:53:54 A little question, I want to get the value insert in a FindToolbar but I not find the API to call, can anyone help me please? Jul 13 07:58:22 mk8, I'm guessing the "prefix" property is what you're looking for Jul 13 08:00:01 tigert: are you goining to guadec ? Jul 13 08:01:04 nice, I succeeded in wrecking my svn repository with newer svn version outside scratchbox Jul 13 08:01:42 Gathaja: whole repository ? i've done the same but only with local data .. Jul 13 08:01:48 zuh: who generates the dbus messages?? Jul 13 08:02:06 svn in sb is just a tad bit too old =) Jul 13 08:02:37 thanks inz Jul 13 08:02:51 dbudibdub, bme-dbus-proxy Jul 13 08:03:24 well when I try to commit it gives "Unable to open an ra_local session to URL" "Program version 4.2 doesn't match environment version" Jul 13 08:04:25 I think it still works from outside Jul 13 08:04:28 Gathaja: well, it could be only your local checkout .. Jul 13 08:04:59 oh Jul 13 08:05:01 so, copy all the changed files to safe, remove the checkout, do new checkout and copy the changed files over the new checkout .. Jul 13 08:05:25 i had the same error if i remember correctly.. Jul 13 08:05:29 okay Jul 13 08:06:05 using newer svn client just changes some files inside .svn folder and older version doesnt cope with those. Jul 13 08:08:27 gives the same error Jul 13 08:09:58 you did rm -rf for the directory and didnt include the .svn subfolders when copying over the changes ? Jul 13 08:10:54 it gives the error when I try to checkout Jul 13 08:11:16 inz: and who gives the powermessages to the bme-dbus-proxy? Jul 13 08:11:27 bme Jul 13 08:12:05 ok, it could be that you need to remove ~/.subversion folder too .. Jul 13 08:12:26 i'll try :) Jul 13 08:12:28 rename it first so you dont loose anything.. Jul 13 08:13:09 good morning Jul 13 08:14:29 jani: won't help Jul 13 08:14:58 sounds pretty weird.. Jul 13 08:15:29 maybe I just create a new rep, old stuff is still okay if I use the repository outside scratchbox Jul 13 08:16:58 just to be safe, you did everything i suggested inside scratchbox ? Jul 13 08:17:04 =) Jul 13 08:17:16 yes.. :) Jul 13 08:17:20 suihkulokki: and who is bme?? Jul 13 08:17:58 hehe ok. =) Jul 13 08:20:48 jani: affirmative Jul 13 08:20:59 dubdibdub, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/codenames/ Jul 13 08:21:19 inz: where do i get the sourcecode to bme?? Jul 13 08:21:41 already found: Jul 13 08:21:43 Nokia-N800-10:/# bme -V Jul 13 08:21:44 Battery Management Entity (BME), version 1.6.23.10 Jul 13 08:21:44 Copyright (c) 2003-2006 Nokia Corporation. All rights reserved. Jul 13 08:21:53 dubdibdub, you don't Jul 13 08:23:18 dubdibdub, see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2007-April/005009.html for some info on battery level reading, skipping bme Jul 13 08:23:41 dubdibdub: you could use strace to see what bme does to query the battery state .. Jul 13 08:29:43 dubdibdub: unfortunatly since the "ooh, lithium-ion batteries can explode" scaremongering companies are quite relucant to let people tamper with battery charging code Jul 13 08:50:56 Aloha! Jul 13 09:03:42 It came! Despite the mail strike I've now got a shiny new N800! ^_^ Jul 13 09:03:56 It's so pretty! Jul 13 09:04:19 your... precious? Jul 13 09:04:27 :D Jul 13 09:11:31 slomo, about to try your new patches Jul 13 09:12:07 bilboed: cool... but probably the wrong channel for this :) Jul 13 09:12:14 slomo, true :) Jul 13 09:12:34 * bilboed bows apologetically to the rest of the channel for this Jul 13 09:12:59 :) Jul 13 09:13:39 It wont connect to my router .. :( Jul 13 09:13:48 I think because it is hidden. Jul 13 09:51:44 http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/7484.html Jul 13 10:07:57 Wirtschaftsb�cher Inhaltsangaben auf http://www.dieweisheit.de und Wirtschaftsb�cher Zusammenfassungen Jul 13 10:08:05 ups, wrong window Jul 13 10:09:27 Ich also haben ein panzerwagen in mein leferhosen Jul 13 10:21:04 morning Jul 13 10:30:34 " Ich also haben ein panzerwagen in mein leferhosen" lol, whats that ? Jul 13 10:31:02 good morning Jul 13 10:33:04 Does anyone have a list of Java bytecode to actual numerical byte values? Jul 13 10:40:15 For example is 0x00 a valid value for a Java bytecode? Jul 13 10:41:32