**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 14 02:59:56 2007 Jul 14 05:34:58 hi, i get a message "Can't create device: Address already in use:" when using blueserial script on the n800 latest firmware, does anyone know how to resolve this? Jul 14 06:18:56 this community is brain dead, no response, just a bunch of sleeping zombies Jul 14 06:19:26 why even have this channel? Jul 14 06:42:15 * rwhitby chuckles at earl00 Jul 14 07:19:33 Hi Jul 14 07:19:35 Hola ! Jul 14 07:50:46 Super Mario Brothers Frustration Jul 14 08:47:40 morning Jul 14 09:00:27 hey all when my n800 starts up there is a glitch in the audio......is this a bad thing? it used to be perfect Jul 14 09:03:21 i guess it's jsut because I've installed apps and stuff now Jul 14 09:05:46 cbx33: try reflashing it and check if the problem persists Jul 14 09:06:14 yeh Jul 14 09:06:19 was gonna be my next step Jul 14 09:06:24 seems weird though know? Jul 14 09:06:27 know = no Jul 14 09:06:29 heh Jul 14 09:06:34 zakx, does yours? Jul 14 09:06:37 is it just at startup? Jul 14 09:06:40 yes Jul 14 09:06:46 at the nokia tune? Jul 14 09:06:48 I was guessing it was as it's loading services etc Jul 14 09:06:49 yes Jul 14 09:06:58 no external audio devices connected? Jul 14 09:07:02 um Jul 14 09:07:06 tried it with headphone Jul 14 09:07:12 though I think it does it without too Jul 14 09:07:22 sure? Jul 14 09:07:27 lemme check Jul 14 09:07:31 just powering up now Jul 14 09:07:34 a small glitch is normal with external devices Jul 14 09:07:43 especially speakers Jul 14 09:07:47 in the first half of the audio Jul 14 09:07:58 turning on now Jul 14 09:08:33 the first note has a glitch Jul 14 09:08:39 the first high note Jul 14 09:08:47 hm. Jul 14 09:08:51 even when no speakers pluged in Jul 14 09:08:56 just a small one Jul 14 09:09:03 could it be due to what I have installed? Jul 14 09:09:31 hm. Jul 14 09:09:43 depends on what you have installed ;) Jul 14 09:09:54 python Jul 14 09:09:58 osso-terminal Jul 14 09:10:00 wordpy Jul 14 09:10:03 skype Jul 14 09:10:07 maemo-mapper Jul 14 09:10:11 leafpad Jul 14 09:10:19 i could check if mine does the same in some hours Jul 14 09:10:23 ok Jul 14 09:10:53 will be at home around 13:00 CEST Jul 14 09:10:59 it's 11:11 now Jul 14 09:11:38 ok Jul 14 09:11:41 if I'm not here Jul 14 09:11:46 I will be popping out shortly Jul 14 09:12:01 could you post a mail to silentkeystroke@googlemail.com Jul 14 09:12:30 sure Jul 14 09:12:38 thanks so much Jul 14 09:12:48 you're welcome Jul 14 09:13:41 do you have python on yours? Jul 14 09:13:47 oh and is xchat same to install Jul 14 09:13:52 s/same/safe Jul 14 09:14:07 XChat installed perfectly for me. Jul 14 09:14:32 from the strange repo? Jul 14 09:14:41 it's not a maemo one or a nokia one Jul 14 09:14:54 So? Jul 14 09:14:55 <_Monkey> So is there any way to temporarily enable it? Jul 14 09:15:06 You can add it and then remove it :) Jul 14 09:15:13 skyhusker is a nice guy. Jul 14 09:15:23 cbx33: yep, it's much like your setup Jul 14 09:15:28 plus extra packages Jul 14 09:15:33 ok cool Jul 14 09:15:46 I'm gonna install it....i just hate that startup glitch Jul 14 09:15:49 I consider having is repo on my device an honor and a privilege. Jul 14 09:15:52 maybe I'll just flash now Jul 14 09:15:55 take a look at http://hell.zakx.de/~zakx/sources.list Jul 14 09:16:28 i gathered pretty much every working repos Jul 14 09:17:53 There's a list on maemo.org on the wiki I believe. Jul 14 09:18:05 zakx, hmmmm what should I do....what shoujld I do.... Jul 14 09:18:55 heheh Jul 14 09:18:56 alterego: there is, but it's incomplete and, IIRC, not really easy to copy Jul 14 09:19:35 I'll go for a reflash Jul 14 09:19:50 good luck :) Jul 14 09:21:21 Meh Jul 14 09:21:26 I just add them as I need them,. Jul 14 09:21:57 I'm starting some development of Hildon Ruby bindings today, Jul 14 09:21:57 and then zakx if you tell me yours does the same Jul 14 09:21:59 i won't care Jul 14 09:22:59 i havn't even managed to get a working repo yet Jul 14 09:23:03 sorry Jul 14 09:23:07 working dev area Jul 14 09:24:30 i could actually record the startup sound by plugging the n800 into line in. Jul 14 09:24:48 so you could decide whether it's like yours or not. Jul 14 09:27:34 cbx33: just read your blog -- any updates on your programming lessons? Jul 14 09:28:07 heheh Jul 14 09:28:11 soon hopefully Jul 14 09:28:25 zakx, that'd be awesome Jul 14 09:28:51 Yer device _sounds_ funny when it starts up? Jul 14 09:28:52 though I've no problem with helpin out....if you wanna start sooner Jul 14 09:28:56 yes Jul 14 09:29:06 just a little glitch on the first note of the tune alterego Jul 14 09:29:11 normal??? Jul 14 09:29:23 Tearing? Jul 14 09:29:29 Sometimes mine does that. Jul 14 09:29:33 ahhh Jul 14 09:29:38 mine always does that noe Jul 14 09:29:45 just a small brokenness Jul 14 09:29:50 brb Jul 14 09:30:43 cbx33: it's usually like this: i borrow a python book of the local library, start looking into it, get bored by basics but can't move on to more challenging stuff cause of lack of knowledge Jul 14 09:31:12 and then the book's lying around in my house until i have to return it Jul 14 09:31:36 heheh Jul 14 09:31:40 I'll challenge you Jul 14 09:32:02 i'd really like to do something productive with python and django Jul 14 09:32:48 (or, even better, with python2.5-hildon ;)) Jul 14 09:43:31 I'm working on ruby bindings as we speak :P Jul 14 09:54:46 sorry got dc'd Jul 14 09:54:59 any replies to my question about formatting memo card? Jul 14 09:55:27 what question? Jul 14 09:55:53 i said my memo card may have suffered some corruption Jul 14 09:55:59 wondered about reformatting it Jul 14 09:56:02 and how to go about it Jul 14 09:56:14 maybe it does aquick fsck on the card or something at boot up Jul 14 09:56:16 i dunno Jul 14 10:02:46 load it onto your main machine and just mk.dosfs on it. Jul 14 10:06:17 ok Jul 14 10:06:25 may be a problem there :p Jul 14 10:06:31 I don't have a reader for it Jul 14 10:06:33 shucks Jul 14 10:06:43 have to do it round someones house i think Jul 14 10:08:11 you can actually do it on the n800 Jul 14 10:08:58 not sure what i got. search for formatting your card easily on the wiki. Jul 14 10:09:23 im typing this from my nokia. ;-) Jul 14 10:10:08 cool Jul 14 10:10:10 thanks Jul 14 11:11:09 <|tbb|> anyone knows how to use alarmtool? Jul 14 12:03:30 Af'noon. Jul 14 12:13:53 Jaffa: night Jul 14 12:26:09 <|tbb|> hi jaffa Jul 14 12:27:20 <|tbb|> do u know another method to resize applets like your method descriped on mppl.org Jul 14 12:34:04 |tbb|: why do you need another method? Jul 14 12:35:59 <|tbb|> if i remember correctly i have seen a more comfortable or easier way to do that, but i dont remember. Jul 14 12:36:54 <|tbb|> have anyone managed to get run the rc17 of mplayer on the new fw? Jul 14 12:36:55 hi all... Jul 14 12:37:08 * Jaffa hasn't seen anyway other than that for applets that don't support resizing out-of-the-box. Jul 14 12:40:00 what is mppl.org? Jul 14 12:40:18 eugene: http://www.maemopeople.org/ - maddler's wonderous contribution to Maemo-related blogging Jul 14 12:40:41 ohh.. Jul 14 12:41:54 Jaffa: :))) Jul 14 12:42:13 maddler: nice blog. i have a blog too. Jul 14 12:42:46 eugene: thank you... Jul 14 12:42:51 :) Jul 14 12:43:07 you blog's link? Jul 14 12:43:22 maddler: www.kernel.sg/blog Jul 14 12:43:59 <|tbb|> damn after i have installed mplayer rc17 it wont run anymore, i have installed rc16 then even that wont run anymore Jul 14 12:45:03 <|tbb|> mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: init_video_filters Jul 14 12:46:04 maddler: hope you find it interesting. Jul 14 13:01:14 eugene: yes, it is :) Jul 14 13:01:20 maddler: :) Jul 14 13:02:50 <|tbb|> try to use alarmtool, i always get adding event unixtimen_unixtime number but the alarm is nowhere to see and it doesnt seems to work, any documentation on that tool Jul 14 13:03:08 maddler: hope you read it often :) Jul 14 13:09:12 <|tbb|> could anyone help to get mplayer running again, ive deinstalled the package with --purge but after reinstalling it, still it doesnt run Jul 14 13:09:41 <|tbb|> if not, it seems i have to reflash the device Jul 14 13:54:48 <|tbb|> curios as root i can play the videos with mplayer but not as user ??? Jul 14 13:57:08 |tbb|: odd. Jul 14 13:58:32 <|tbb|> odd stays for? Jul 14 13:59:27 No, as in "[that's] odd [I've not seen it]" Jul 14 14:04:59 <|tbb|> who do u means could help here? Jul 14 14:08:39 guess the canola team does not believe the the opensource addage - release early and release often... Jul 14 14:10:46 edt: it's not opensource in the first place Jul 14 14:11:08 <|tbb|> how could i run mplayer as root from user account Jul 14 14:13:02 is it possible to open a file in whatever directory? e.g. how do i open xx.png with preinstalled images application in /var/www directory? Jul 14 14:13:09 fileopen dialog offers only files in /home/user/mydocs ?? Jul 14 14:14:07 you could create a symlink /home/user/MyDocs/Root -> / Jul 14 14:31:03 <|tbb|> omy goodness, i have said the videos playable as root, i have to correct myself. If i ssh into my n800 as root then i can play the videos with mplayer, from root on the n800 it crashes also Jul 14 14:38:38 <|tbb|> someone have a clue whats happen here? Jul 14 14:41:19 <|tbb|> i will reflash the device , cya later Jul 14 14:41:21 <|tbb|> exit Jul 14 14:53:31 eugene at least not yet according to their site... The code would get better with more frequent releases though, say monthly Jul 14 14:53:48 there seems to be an idea that a beta needs to be 100% working Jul 14 14:54:05 this is not the case - you do need to fix bugs though... Jul 14 14:54:15 sometime fast too Jul 14 14:54:18 wic Jul 14 15:01:29 edt: well, if they are really keen to opensource canola, they should do it right from the beginning, and not when the product is completed. Jul 14 15:02:57 I should probably write down my issues with maemo and submit them to nokia or something. Jul 14 15:03:11 Just little GUI improvements really. Jul 14 15:08:12 alterego: very good idea. Probably even better if there's a) one big doc (like Sean Luke's) justifying the rationale, but also b) a series of individual bugs in Bugzilla Jul 14 15:12:44 * alterego bops head to internet radio and agreement with Jaffa Jul 14 15:13:06 It's "Summertime" by Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince. Jul 14 15:13:30 what's the easiest way to become root on the n800? Jul 14 15:13:35 i need to format a mmc card Jul 14 15:13:41 I'll need to be root for that right? Jul 14 15:13:46 You could just plug it into a computer. Jul 14 15:13:54 i don't have a connection for it Jul 14 15:13:56 a card reader Jul 14 15:13:57 you can use the file explorer to format the card Jul 14 15:14:02 oh? Jul 14 15:14:04 can you Jul 14 15:14:06 how? Jul 14 15:14:08 The N800 is a card reader. Jul 14 15:14:12 cbx33: if you just want to format it all as fat Jul 14 15:14:18 yeh Jul 14 15:14:20 cbx33: from the application menu Jul 14 15:14:20 i don't care Jul 14 15:14:23 cool ok Jul 14 15:14:24 thanks Jul 14 15:14:26 lemme try that Jul 14 15:14:57 alterego, where that's where my problems start Jul 14 15:14:59 ed Jul 14 15:15:11 What? Jul 14 15:15:20 I was transferring a file to the card....and ubuntu said the transfer was finished Jul 14 15:15:23 so i disconnected Jul 14 15:15:31 Did you unmount the drive first? Jul 14 15:15:34 after ejecting Jul 14 15:15:37 yes Jul 14 15:15:45 then i unplugged and n800 said Jul 14 15:15:48 the card was corrupt Jul 14 15:15:55 could be bug 1204 Jul 14 15:15:58 Well, you're doing something wrong. Jul 14 15:15:58 after a hard reboot the n800 reads it fine Jul 14 15:16:07 i've just lost it on the mailing list about nokia's non-comment Jul 14 15:16:10 regarding that bug Jul 14 15:16:13 bug 1024? Jul 14 15:16:17 got a link? Jul 14 15:16:21 I'll try a format anywho Jul 14 15:16:24 1204 cbx33 Jul 14 15:16:27 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 Jul 14 15:17:18 also how do you become root on the n800? Jul 14 15:17:37 either install the "becomeroot" package or set the R&D flag using the linux flasher Jul 14 15:18:57 ok Jul 14 15:18:58 thanks Jul 14 15:19:06 I like tge R&D mode. Jul 14 15:19:08 will os2006 apps work fine on os2007? Jul 14 15:19:10 Simple and effective. Jul 14 15:19:15 No Jul 14 15:19:16 never tried it Jul 14 15:19:19 what does it do? Jul 14 15:19:20 They wont work at all. Jul 14 15:19:31 ok Jul 14 15:19:36 what does R&D do? Jul 14 15:19:48 cbx33: yes, many OS 2006 apps work fine on OS 2007 Jul 14 15:19:53 Just shows some information upon boot and allows you to gainroot :P Jul 14 15:19:57 ahh Jul 14 15:19:58 ok Jul 14 15:20:05 it looks kind of cool too :) Jul 14 15:20:13 Heh Jul 14 15:20:21 milhouse, did you see my message earlier about an audio glitch on the boot sound Jul 14 15:20:24 rest of audio is fine Jul 14 15:21:25 sorry only just started paying attention to irc... probably caused by another process hogging cpu Jul 14 15:22:56 yeh Jul 14 15:23:00 anything to worry about? Jul 14 15:23:11 not unless it beceomes more serious Jul 14 15:28:08 gonna reflash today anyway Jul 14 15:28:27 something wrong with planet maemo Jul 14 15:59:00 * outtolunc wonders where i can buy a titanium usb cable... this one is getting worn out Jul 14 15:59:24 Make sure you get gold plated contacts so your MP3s don't lose quality when you copy them. Jul 14 16:01:10 does the backup stuff work well now? Jul 14 16:01:17 if i reflash can i keep my settings Jul 14 16:04:04 oh that was cute.. maemoftp must be os2007 Jul 14 16:11:17 at least tnftp (console) works on gregale Jul 14 16:12:57 * pete__ wants to learn how to make stuff from source work Jul 14 16:13:24 like tinyhttpd Jul 14 16:13:26 :) Jul 14 16:25:20 Kontorri are you in?!? :) Jul 14 16:31:05 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Jul 14 16:31:05 bluez-utils: Depends: module-init-tools Jul 14 16:31:05 dpkg: Depends: coreutils or Jul 14 16:31:05 textutils (>= 2.0-3) but it is not installable Jul 14 16:31:07 hildon-home-dev: Depends: pkg-config but it is not installable Jul 14 16:31:17 trying to dist upgrade to sdk 3.2 in scratchbox Jul 14 16:31:23 any ideas? Jul 14 16:43:17 grrr Jul 14 16:50:06 hmmm Jul 14 16:50:15 now apt-get update won't resolv Jul 14 16:50:25 I've edited the resolve.conf Jul 14 16:50:29 I've edited the resolv.conf Jul 14 16:50:41 that worked before Jul 14 16:56:02 You need to find the ofending repo Jul 14 16:59:28 and I bet is Jul 14 16:59:28 Catalog name: Maemo Repository Jul 14 16:59:28 Web address: http://repository.maemo.org Jul 14 16:59:28 Distribution: bora Jul 14 16:59:28 Components: free non-free extras Jul 14 16:59:51 Thats the one thats been problematic for weeks now Jul 14 17:01:10 is there any documentation on getting GStreamer to work in the Scratchbox environment? Jul 14 17:02:22 (by which I mean GStreamer audio input/output) Jul 14 17:02:32 yeh it is Jul 14 17:02:41 but it worked aminute ago Jul 14 17:02:51 why isn't it working now SeRi ? Jul 14 17:03:34 it's doing it really quick, like netowkring is broken Jul 14 17:03:50 I can resolve it outside of scratchbox Jul 14 17:04:21 hmmm Jul 14 17:04:28 it resolves other addresses ok Jul 14 17:04:31 why not that one? Jul 14 17:09:29 because they are very unstable Jul 14 17:23:40 If i use the n800 in usb modus...is the sdcard reading and writing same as a cardreader? can I formate It with an other filesystem? Jul 14 17:26:44 mostly i find that having a real card reader is much faster than using the interface through devices like mobiles or the n800 Jul 14 17:32:11 SeRi, any ideas why I'm getting this issue Jul 14 17:32:24 [sbox-SDK_386: ~] > PAGER=less fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade Jul 14 17:32:24 Reading Package Lists... Done Jul 14 17:32:24 Building Dependency Tree... Done Jul 14 17:32:24 You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. Jul 14 17:32:24 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Jul 14 17:32:24 bluez-utils: Depends: module-init-tools Jul 14 17:32:26 dpkg: Depends: coreutils or Jul 14 17:32:30 I'm trying to upgrade to 3.2? Jul 14 17:32:30 You int the only one! Is everybody who uses the same repo Jul 14 17:32:55 i fixed that.....edit the nssswitch and tell it just to use dns to resolv and it worked straight away Jul 14 17:33:07 but i can't dist upgrade Jul 14 17:34:59 I am staying away from 3.2 until the corruption of the sdcards is address Jul 14 17:36:03 oh Jul 14 17:36:10 so 3.1 is still ok to use? Jul 14 17:37:38 ooo yea I am on 3.1 still Jul 14 17:38:03 ops I mean 3.2 Jul 14 17:38:06 :P Jul 14 17:38:15 Is release 4 the bad one Jul 14 17:38:19 bad bad release! Jul 14 17:39:33 ok what the hell.... Jul 14 17:39:36 hmmm Jul 14 17:39:43 i just can't update to 3.2 Jul 14 17:40:11 the sdk? Jul 14 17:40:20 http://pastebin.ca/619361 Jul 14 17:40:24 yes Jul 14 17:40:33 any ideas? Jul 14 17:40:48 trying to follow http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt Jul 14 17:41:19 let me see going to try it my self Jul 14 17:41:19 brb Jul 14 17:41:22 ok Jul 14 17:41:26 let me know how it goes Jul 14 17:41:32 I added the nokia binaries too Jul 14 17:48:03 this sucks Jul 14 17:48:05 pkg-config Jul 14 17:48:08 where the hell is it Jul 14 17:48:09 <_Monkey> or the default community theme in Sardine.. Jul 14 17:48:41 _Monkey, ?? Jul 14 17:48:41 <_Monkey> i don't know, pete__ Jul 14 17:48:45 :( Jul 14 17:49:30 no sdk gurus here? Jul 14 17:50:17 it seems like 3.1 has a lot of packages that 3.2 doesn't have anymore Jul 14 17:50:27 and so it can't update them Jul 14 17:50:34 as there are no upgrade paths Jul 14 18:07:07 pete__: like which ones_ Jul 14 18:09:15 pete__: are you following http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.2/INSTALL.txt ? Jul 14 18:10:50 pete__: oh, it's the same... anyway, it says that you first need 3.1 in order to get 3.2 Jul 14 18:11:34 pete__: so the repos should be the same, right? Jul 14 18:13:56 quick question Jul 14 18:14:04 I've been trying to use iwconfig to set wlan0 up Jul 14 18:14:39 but it complains whenever I use the essid option to tell the network I want to connect to. Jul 14 18:15:02 (and I'm following the information provided by iwconfig --help) Jul 14 18:15:12 does anybody know whether iwconfig really works? Jul 14 18:50:06 Hello! I just flashed the Hacker OS 2007 on my 770 and am currently trying to get A2DP to work... ehm... not going to well... The packages from Guardiani's website keep returning Incompatible... Can anyone help? Jul 14 19:07:03 ty how are you installing Jul 14 19:07:22 is there any way to write an applet for the n800 in python? Jul 14 19:07:39 yes Jul 14 19:08:05 !google python n800 OR maemo Jul 14 19:08:25 pupnik, I'm not sure Jul 14 19:08:48 what do you mean by 'applet'? Jul 14 19:09:07 for the main screen Jul 14 19:09:13 like the clock applet and the fm radio applet Jul 14 19:09:15 oh nevermind Jul 14 19:09:26 that's just for the next generation hildon Jul 14 19:10:10 oh, bummer Jul 14 19:10:50 felipec, yeh i followed that Jul 14 19:10:53 I have 3.1 installed Jul 14 19:10:57 I was trying to upgrade to 3.2 Jul 14 19:11:09 I have no idea why its not working Jul 14 19:11:28 pete__: which step is not working? Jul 14 19:12:30 apt-get upgrade Jul 14 19:12:32 hang on Jul 14 19:12:33 brb Jul 14 19:12:51 Anyone try mplayer's flv capabilities on the n800? Jul 14 19:12:56 How's the framerate on that? Jul 14 19:13:49 depends heavily on resolution Jul 14 19:14:41 whatever resolution youtube is :> I already made sure it's simple to rip flv's out of youtube pages on the n800 Jul 14 19:14:55 and just making sure the framerate on an average youtube video will be watchable Jul 14 19:15:14 that and a few other mall points, and I should be ordering an n800 sometime this weekend :> Jul 14 19:15:36 if you'd give me a link to a flv file of your choice i could make a video of it Jul 14 19:16:18 There's a Canadian web store offering the N770 for $146 CDN, I'm trying to do some research on what apps to load on :) Jul 14 19:16:42 Though I should ask first, would a 512MB RSMMC card be okay for storage? I can't really find anything bigger Jul 14 19:16:46 although watching youtube videos in opera with the lastest firmware is ok for me Jul 14 19:16:54 zakx: Jul 14 19:16:54 zakx: 15:15 >>> Jul 14 19:17:01 whoops Jul 14 19:17:03 zakx: http://www.mediacollege.com/video-gallery/testclips/20051210-w50s.flv Jul 14 19:17:16 oh really? you can watch them in opera fine now? Jul 14 19:17:18 that's awesome Jul 14 19:17:26 I was waiting until skype came unto the n800 Jul 14 19:17:29 yeah, but only when the video's loaded Jul 14 19:17:32 and only found out today Jul 14 19:17:37 while loading it's laggy as before Jul 14 19:17:51 i'll make a short video of a youtube video too if you want Jul 14 19:17:57 can you watch anything on www.veoh.com? Jul 14 19:18:07 no, it's ok, I don't want to cause the hassle Jul 14 19:18:12 just your assurance that it plays fine is enough :> Jul 14 19:18:18 don't bother with the flv I linked Jul 14 19:18:40 can't fetch it anyway Jul 14 19:18:41 19:19:36 FEHLER 403: Forbidden. Jul 14 19:18:48 How is rdesktop on the N770? Pretty mature? Jul 14 19:19:38 cbx33: hey there Jul 14 19:19:49 hey Jul 14 19:19:53 cbx33: didn't notice anything while booting Jul 14 19:20:00 i was just _pete Jul 14 19:20:52 felipec, i'm back Jul 14 19:21:22 zakx, i reflashed all is ok Jul 14 19:21:39 cbx33: alright :) Jul 14 19:22:32 Has anyone used A2DP with the 2007 Hacker OS...? Jul 14 19:24:17 felipec you there? Jul 14 19:24:30 procto: opened a video, after loading it played even better than youtube videos Jul 14 19:24:51 cbx33: yes Jul 14 19:24:59 zakx what is this Jul 14 19:25:15 felipec. it fails at the dist upgrade Jul 14 19:25:22 zakx: on veoh.com? Jul 14 19:25:27 procto: yep Jul 14 19:25:48 procto: i filmed it. Jul 14 19:26:23 give me a minute downloading it off the camera and reencoding it Jul 14 19:31:16 cbx33: can you point me to your repos? Jul 14 19:32:11 my repos? Jul 14 19:32:52 i didn't alter them from the maemo scratchbox install Jul 14 19:33:20 apart from adding the nokia binary one Jul 14 19:34:13 which is a local repo Jul 14 19:35:39 procto: http://hd.zakx.de/veoh.mp4 Jul 14 19:38:57 cbx33: I don't have maemo installed here, that's why I asked Jul 14 19:39:11 ahhhh Jul 14 19:39:15 cbx33: but taking a look at the repos I can't find pkg-config neither on 3.1 nor 3.2 Jul 14 19:40:07 ok. i'm having trouble with my memo card now. i tried to format. but it's not coming up Jul 14 19:40:39 should the n800restt Jul 14 19:40:55 restart after a card format? Jul 14 19:41:03 i guess not. Jul 14 19:41:11 i'll try again Jul 14 19:41:36 cbx33: I'm sorry, I can't help you now, but I'll try 3.2 soon Jul 14 19:41:39 gotta go Jul 14 19:41:45 ok Jul 14 19:42:03 hmmm memory card corrupt, or unformatted Jul 14 19:43:16 heh i know it's unformatted that's what i'm trying to change Jul 14 19:43:36 cbx33: it shouldn't restart Jul 14 19:43:57 i guess it killed my memo card Jul 14 19:44:52 hmmm. i'll power down and try taking it out Jul 14 19:44:56 it's not that easy to kill a sd card, is it? Jul 14 19:45:06 brb Jul 14 19:50:00 nope, the card is dead Jul 14 19:51:07 damn it Jul 14 19:56:46 i can't believe that card is dead Jul 14 19:57:00 1gb too Jul 14 19:57:50 zakx: thanks bunches Jul 14 19:58:01 there must be a way to get it back Jul 14 19:58:03 procto: you're welcome Jul 14 20:04:06 would a new n800 have the latest firmware on it? Jul 14 20:04:17 most likely not Jul 14 20:04:23 s'what I thought Jul 14 20:04:26 but you can flash it on your own easily Jul 14 20:04:32 so I'm better off getting a good deal from amazon or ebay Jul 14 20:04:35 and just updating Jul 14 20:04:44 it's really no issue Jul 14 20:05:12 download around 80M from nokia, connect the n800 via usb, start the flasher, start the n800, wait 10 seconds, enjoy. Jul 14 20:05:50 nice Jul 14 20:05:58 I'm about 97% sold on the n800 at this point :> Jul 14 20:06:10 beating out the nokia e90 and waiting until october for a useable openmoko Jul 14 20:06:35 don't expect too much from the camera btw. Jul 14 20:06:43 not at all Jul 14 20:06:51 I actually don't really like cams in my devices Jul 14 20:06:52 you also can't do videochat in skype Jul 14 20:07:00 I couldn't find a decent smartphone WITHOUT a camera Jul 14 20:07:13 yeah, I know, only gtalk, and only between n800's right? Jul 14 20:07:34 and windows computers until the lastest firmware update Jul 14 20:07:50 there was a nokia beta service to invite windows users Jul 14 20:07:52 you can video gtalk to windows computers now? Jul 14 20:08:01 which is now no more available Jul 14 20:08:04 grr now i can't even get root Jul 14 20:08:14 oh Jul 14 20:08:24 cbx33: install ssh and ssh root@localhost :P Jul 14 20:08:26 hooray, finally got ncurses-bin to go away, and was finally able to install python! Jul 14 20:08:41 no password? Jul 14 20:08:46 procto: nokia e60 is quite decent and without camera Jul 14 20:08:46 password is "rootme" Jul 14 20:08:52 ah Jul 14 20:08:57 or try "sudo gainroot" Jul 14 20:09:05 should work too Jul 14 20:09:13 suihkulokki: that was my other candidate, but there was something about it that broke it for me. I forget what. Jul 14 20:09:14 dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq ncurses-bin Jul 14 20:09:21 no idea what that does, but it worked, heh Jul 14 20:09:28 suihkulokki: the superior web browsing of the n800, however, trumps even the e90 Jul 14 20:09:30 procto: maybe it's the OS ;) Jul 14 20:09:37 yeah Jul 14 20:09:42 zakx, is that with r&d mode? Jul 14 20:09:44 though the s60 python stuff is pretty decent Jul 14 20:09:53 the ability to write python is a major must for me Jul 14 20:09:56 or become root? Jul 14 20:09:59 cbx33: that should work as soon as you've access to a terminal Jul 14 20:10:08 hmmm nope Jul 14 20:10:12 you'd only need r&d for installing ssh Jul 14 20:10:20 IIRC. Jul 14 20:10:22 procto: haven't tried e90. however did compare 770 with 9300i.. and 770 was so much better :) Jul 14 20:10:40 although the e90 is a communicator, and I've been lusting for those since 1997 Jul 14 20:10:43 cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? Jul 14 20:10:44 it's VERY expensive Jul 14 20:10:56 where can i get python2.4? i get file not found on my 770/mistral Jul 14 20:10:58 and the activation fees here in the US for an unlocked, I imagine, would be exorbitant Jul 14 20:11:07 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/p/python2.4/ Jul 14 20:11:11 those seem not to exist Jul 14 20:11:40 i really need to buy a bluetooth keyboard Jul 14 20:12:28 zakx, sudo gainroot needs becomeroot package. but i can't find it Jul 14 20:12:39 yeah i was just underway with the n770 without bt keyboard and it suxkced Jul 14 20:12:39 just install ssh then Jul 14 20:13:13 does user have a password? Jul 14 20:14:59 i guess you can't login as "user" from remote Jul 14 20:15:35 user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh Jul 14 20:15:37 no password Jul 14 20:15:56 so you can't login with "user" Jul 14 20:15:58 are there any decent linux umts cell-phones out? Jul 14 20:17:06 umts? Jul 14 20:17:36 spec: A 3G technology used in Europe Jul 14 20:17:54 ah Jul 14 20:18:02 it sucks. i want to try to setup this memo card. Jul 14 20:19:40 dont know about phones, but if you just want connectivity the vodafone 3g (pcmcia) card works with linux Jul 14 20:20:49 i can't believe this card is broken. must have just lost partition table. grrr i can't hook it up to a pc Jul 14 20:21:35 cbx33: no laptop with inbuild sd reader around? Jul 14 20:21:39 as i don't have a card reader Jul 14 20:21:46 no Jul 14 20:22:04 or any digital camera? Jul 14 20:22:17 they're all able to format sd cards Jul 14 20:22:20 not one that takes mmc Jul 14 20:22:29 hum. Jul 14 20:22:35 only sd Jul 14 20:22:55 you sure? Jul 14 20:23:01 i'll try Jul 14 20:27:45 ty timtimred Jul 14 20:28:02 i see some 3g phones now for under 100 euro without contract Jul 14 20:28:04 np, also works with windows and os x ! Jul 14 20:28:22 i've got a 3g phone Jul 14 20:28:36 me too, and an unlimited data 3g card from work :) Jul 14 20:28:41 gah. Jul 14 20:28:47 we should have a wiki page for success stories for pairing nokias with phones Jul 14 20:28:59 usage fees are horrible here Jul 14 20:29:17 yeah i'd get hit for about 40-50 euro/month Jul 14 20:29:27 pupnik: there was one, but it went horrible, people didn't really understand howto keep it readable Jul 14 20:30:03 pupnik: besides it should word with all phones that support DUN bluetooth profile. If it doesn't, it's a bug :P Jul 14 20:30:16 ok thanks Jul 14 20:30:40 BenQ-Siemens EF81 is going for 93.90 euro Jul 14 20:31:21 BenQ-Siemens is going bankrupt. good luck finding service for it. Jul 14 20:31:24 i guess they've been renamed to "nokia siemens" now Jul 14 20:31:56 zakx: that's a different siemens department Jul 14 20:32:05 hah. umts usage drives battery life down to 3.5 hours on that phone Jul 14 20:32:05 hmmmm. i just formatted it on a win mobile 2003 and it worked fine on it. now i plug it in here it's dead again. Jul 14 20:32:30 cbx33: maybe there's some other problem with it? Jul 14 20:32:54 maybe Jul 14 20:32:58 sux Jul 14 20:33:18 is there any way to get IT2007HE to do subpixel anialiasing of text? Jul 14 20:34:05 jpt9: on 220dpi display? why? Jul 14 20:35:00 i'll try formatting it again on a linux machine Jul 14 20:35:11 when i can get to one Jul 14 20:35:35 jpt9: but yes it's possible, just recompile freetype with subpixel antialising enabled and configure subpixel antialising as you would on a desktop linux system Jul 14 20:38:28 sorry... cell phone net access died... Jul 14 20:39:02 any ideas? Jul 14 20:39:53 i'm thinking something involving xftconfig, but i can't find it. Jul 14 20:39:54 22:30 < suihkulokki> jpt9: but yes it's possible, just recompile freetype with subpixel antialising enabled and configure subpixel antialising as you would on a desktop linux system Jul 14 20:40:54 i take it, then, that the version on my device doesn't have subpixel AA support? Jul 14 20:41:28 jpt9: on 220dpi display? why? Jul 14 20:41:51 because i can :-) Jul 14 20:42:13 and for insanely beautiful ebooks Jul 14 20:42:20 you are not going to see anything else than slower text rendering Jul 14 20:43:06 suihkulokki: people can tell difference between 200dpi and 600 dpi on paper Jul 14 20:43:19 but the fonts are already antialiased, so Jul 14 20:44:48 [ 2960.424255] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC 1002240KiB Jul 14 20:45:08 [ 2960.424499] mmcblk1: p1 < p5 > Jul 14 20:45:28 so it recognises the partitions Jul 14 20:45:52 but won't mount it. or format it Jul 14 20:46:11 grrrrrr Jul 14 20:46:22 try mounting it on your own? Jul 14 20:46:39 can't...not root Jul 14 20:47:09 get root then Jul 14 20:47:35 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0 /media/mmc1 Jul 14 20:47:35 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 Jul 14 20:47:40 by the way Jul 14 20:47:49 well becomeroot doesn't exist and i don't want ssh just yet Jul 14 20:47:56 you're also allowed to user ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0*, /usr/sbin/mmc-rename /dev/mmcblk0* Jul 14 20:48:05 cool Jul 14 20:52:06 only on the intetnal one then Jul 14 20:53:04 guess 0 was the external one Jul 14 20:53:11 no Jul 14 20:53:20 brb Jul 14 20:53:26 rebooting Jul 14 20:53:35 yeah i'm wrong Jul 14 20:57:18 zakx, permissiondenied Jul 14 20:57:28 cbx33: hum? Jul 14 20:57:35 cbx33: prefixed the command with "sudo"? Jul 14 20:58:37 ahhhh. attempting to create too large a filesystem Jul 14 21:01:44 zakx, any ideas? Jul 14 21:02:14 not really, as I thought that your windows mobile already set up a filesystem Jul 14 21:02:45 oh yeh i just tried recreating it Jul 14 21:03:14 with the mkdosfs Jul 14 21:03:49 ah- Jul 14 21:04:22 why don't you try mounting the wm2003-partition? Jul 14 21:04:24 ah? Jul 14 21:04:45 ok. what was legal again? Jul 14 21:04:57 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0 /media/mmc1 Jul 14 21:04:57 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 Jul 14 21:07:12 /usr/sbin/mmc-mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 Jul 14 21:08:03 mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc1 failed Jul 14 21:08:34 now that's a very supportive error Jul 14 21:08:49 heheheh Jul 14 21:09:06 i also have a p5 Jul 14 21:09:41 you may not be allowed to mount it, safly Jul 14 21:09:44 -f+d Jul 14 21:09:49 hmmm Jul 14 21:10:17 well gtg Jul 14 21:10:28 bye Jul 14 21:10:29 will format tomorrow Jul 14 22:16:22 Anyone know what the dbus service for the alert signal is? Jul 14 22:16:40 The signal that triggers a message in the top right hand corner of the display. Jul 14 22:31:15 aloril: check the maemo development tutorials, I know I saw it there Jul 14 22:32:35 I've found it now if you meant me ;) Jul 14 22:39:04 ah, yes, I did Jul 14 22:39:10 xchat's nick completion isn't mind-reading Jul 14 22:40:57 :D Jul 14 22:41:01 If only ;) Jul 14 22:42:00 I'm just trying to make a complete sh library for system scripting maemo. Jul 14 22:43:32 Aha, I've finally found some good API documentation ^_^ Jul 15 00:22:16 <|tbb|> anyone awake? Jul 15 01:22:09 anyone have any new info on the sdhc/sd corruption problems that seem worst with the new fm? Jul 15 01:22:44 edt: there's a reply in the maemo-developer's mailing list Jul 15 01:33:42 it's always so lively here :-) Jul 15 01:49:19 wow, the n800 is really buggy when the battery gets low Jul 15 01:49:35 Really? Jul 15 01:49:37 Haven't noticed. Jul 15 01:50:21 ive had status bar icons disappear Jul 15 01:51:06 just a minute ago, i had to reboot because "enter" on my BT keyboard would pull up the thumb board instaed of sending enter Jul 15 01:51:52 deleted the profile, re-"paired" the devices Jul 15 01:52:07 I need to get a BT keyboard. Jul 15 01:52:09 and i was already plugged in Jul 15 01:52:09 only a reboot fixed it Jul 15 01:52:16 I want one that I can re-map to Dvorak, though. :) Jul 15 01:52:21 it's so useful Jul 15 01:52:33 and the only reason I'm able to chat right now Jul 15 01:52:36 ah Jul 15 01:52:48 well, the software side is easy Jul 15 01:52:52 I'm pretty fast on the thumbboard Jul 15 01:53:00 but removable caps... Jul 15 01:53:11 Software is easy, but I gotta find a model where the caps are all the same size. Jul 15 01:53:20 the thumbboard is nice, but i find the delay frustrating Jul 15 01:53:21 Thumbboard lacks multitouch, so that actually slows me down. Jul 15 01:53:33 I don't have any delay problems with the latest firmware. Jul 15 01:53:53 plus the auto caps, plus the blocking of the rest of the screen Jul 15 01:54:09 also, xterm with thumboard is painful Jul 15 01:54:48 im really happy with my keyboard Jul 15 01:55:03 ive stopped carrying around my notebook Jul 15 01:55:17 no more dangerous waters on the go, though :-/ Jul 15 01:55:58 caps needs to be disabled Jul 15 01:56:02 especially as buggy as it is. Jul 15 01:57:04 oops :-) Jul 15 01:57:29 should have used the stylus to minimize Jul 15 01:59:23 GeneralAntilles: thing is, with a dvorak layout, you have to have a number row, which makes for a bigger keyboard Jul 15 01:59:57 Hmm Jul 15 02:00:00 True enough Jul 15 02:00:11 I learned to touch type on both layouts, though. Jul 15 02:00:18 So I can't type on them without the caps. Jul 15 02:00:21 and ive found i can pretty much do without Jul 15 02:00:46 Blank-caps keyboards I just end up typing an amalgamation of both. :D Jul 15 02:01:22 Hello? Jul 15 02:01:30 Is anyone on? Jul 15 02:01:32 Hi there Jul 15 02:01:33 <_Monkey> salut, GeneralAntilles Jul 15 02:01:41 At ease, soldier. ;) Jul 15 02:01:47 lol Jul 15 02:02:05 So are you guys coders for programs on the N series tablets? Jul 15 02:02:29 I'm just some choad on the internet. Jul 15 02:02:31 So, no. Jul 15 02:02:51 I see Jul 15 02:03:16 Do you even have an N series tablet? Jul 15 02:03:21 i so need to download the dev vm Jul 15 02:03:37 I have 4 Jul 15 02:03:41 Oh wow Jul 15 02:03:44 lol Jul 15 02:03:45 huh... why do it later... off to wget :-) Jul 15 02:03:46 2 of them purchased before they hit. ;) Jul 15 02:03:52 Nice Jul 15 02:04:00 You got the N800? Jul 15 02:04:00 GeneralAntilles, you have four!? Jul 15 02:04:02 I wuv my ITs Jul 15 02:04:08 2 770s, 2 N800s Jul 15 02:04:09 They are VERY nice Jul 15 02:04:12 wow Jul 15 02:04:19 One 770 for my sister Jul 15 02:04:24 One N800 for me Jul 15 02:04:25 i was thinking of supplementing my n800 with a 770 Jul 15 02:04:28 One n800 formy dad Jul 15 02:04:39 for at home use only Jul 15 02:04:42 Ya, I just bought my first N800 the other day Jul 15 02:04:45 One 770 because woot had them cheap and I figured it was worth it for the extra battery. Jul 15 02:04:56 I played with it in the store for about an hour, and I loved it Jul 15 02:05:13 The 770 makes a perfect bedside ebook reader and webbrowser Jul 15 02:05:21 The formfactor is especially good for ebooks. Jul 15 02:05:23 actually, i think the w00t deal was good for the extra *screen* Jul 15 02:05:32 brb Jul 15 02:05:36 for the n800 Jul 15 02:05:40 gnutella is a good place to get digital copies since the legit sources hate us. Jul 15 02:06:30 i read freakonomics on the n800 on a flight to miami :-) Jul 15 02:07:14 I usually watch movies/TV shows on the plane. Jul 15 02:07:36 Once you get the encoding right, the N800 is an awesome movie player. Jul 15 02:07:45 I just got a 3g phone Jul 15 02:07:49 i did that on the flight back to nyc :-) Jul 15 02:07:53 oh nice Jul 15 02:07:55 Rhapsody in the car over the data connection is something to see. Jul 15 02:08:13 i tried edge on my phone the other day... it was abysmal Jul 15 02:08:31 ie, the n800 through my motorola Jul 15 02:09:01 see www.baen.com for some free scifi books. If you buy they do not protect and fbviewer works great with pilot formated books... Jul 15 02:09:19 I had EDGE for 2 months. Jul 15 02:09:40 What you have to do when you use EDGE is be ready for it. Jul 15 02:09:46 Don't expect broadband Jul 15 02:09:48 you wont get it. Jul 15 02:09:50 which service/area/edge class? Jul 15 02:10:01 But if you expect long page loads, then it's fine. Jul 15 02:10:04 Cingular Jul 15 02:10:05 i was expecting better than 14k Jul 15 02:10:09 about 120Kbps Jul 15 02:10:27 The biggest problem with EDGE isn't so much the data speeds, but the connection lag. Jul 15 02:10:41 It takes FOREVER to start loading Jul 15 02:10:52 I managed it by doing something else while a page loaded Jul 15 02:10:55 and turning off images Jul 15 02:10:58 That helps a bunch. Jul 15 02:11:30 i dunno. 14k is horrible for class 4 edge Jul 15 02:11:50 i may have to get the latest RAZR Jul 15 02:12:07 but its also my service area Jul 15 02:12:47 cingular/att nyc. i live 1/2 half mile from the flagship apple store :-/ Jul 15 02:13:17 I get good coverage in Tampa Bay, FL Jul 15 02:13:22 maybe less, even Jul 15 02:13:31 There seems to be a tower missing right over my neighborhood, though. :) Jul 15 02:13:43 at least they have an open wifi spot for n800 goodness :-) Jul 15 02:14:53 i would just like packet injection to work :-) Jul 15 02:15:06 that would help my "coverage" Jul 15 02:15:35 Hehe Jul 15 02:15:53 If you're on Cingular and nearing the end of your contract, check out the SCH-A717 Jul 15 02:16:03 Only 1.8Mbps HSDPA Jul 15 02:16:06 But it's very small Jul 15 02:16:09 decent battery life Jul 15 02:17:02 im out of contract on cingular Jul 15 02:17:19 using my reflashed and now unlocked v551 Jul 15 02:17:37 sounds good Jul 15 02:17:37 I can't stand moto phones Jul 15 02:17:44 Nokia spoiled me with the 6682 Jul 15 02:18:21 honestly, i want a quad band, eink phone with grps/edge and hsdpa Jul 15 02:18:31 i dont care about anything else Jul 15 02:18:44 though i will admit a camera has been handy at times. Jul 15 02:19:18 i cant be the only one though who want a long life all format phone Jul 15 02:19:41 Hehe Jul 15 02:20:00 I was perfectly happy with my 1000i on Nextel back in the day. Jul 15 02:20:04 That phone lasted me FOREVER Jul 15 02:20:19 i remember i took my ericsson t39 to prague from berlin for a week Jul 15 02:20:26 i forgot my charger Jul 15 02:20:44 the phone gave out on the ubahn ride home from the the train station Jul 15 02:21:45 triband gprs. black and white screen. 2002. why cant i do that anymore? Jul 15 02:22:40 i would get that indian eink motorola phone if it werent dual band Jul 15 02:23:50 Battery tech really needs to improve now. Jul 15 02:23:59 hah - GeneralAntilles - while looking for the samsung phone, i came across your itt post Jul 15 02:24:01 Probably the thing that's holding back mobile device development the most. Jul 15 02:24:05 lol Jul 15 02:25:09 how's hacking on the a717? Jul 15 02:25:20 one thing i like about the v551 Jul 15 02:25:26 back Jul 15 02:25:27 I haven't done a damn thing with the phone. Jul 15 02:25:39 Hey Luria, do you pay for service? Jul 15 02:25:42 I just use it for voice and the occasional text. Jul 15 02:25:42 is how easy it is to hack/unlock/unbrand Jul 15 02:25:52 on your v551? Jul 15 02:25:56 verto:pay for service? Jul 15 02:26:00 of course Jul 15 02:26:22 its kinda dumb to steal cellphone service Jul 15 02:27:13 but im out of contract and warranty, so i dont mind taking apart the phone Jul 15 02:27:17 Y Jul 15 02:27:19 ya* Jul 15 02:27:32 My contract is almost out Jul 15 02:27:36 and I don't want to renew Jul 15 02:27:51 which is handy, because motorola completely screwed up the first batch of that phone Jul 15 02:27:53 but I don't have web for my service plan Jul 15 02:28:19 So I get charged an arm and a leg if I connect to my Tmobile web from my n800 Jul 15 02:28:30 you can change your services without a new contract Jul 15 02:28:38 at least on cingular Jul 15 02:28:53 tmobile makes me sign a 2yr Jul 15 02:29:11 my 1 year contractwas over about 2 years ago, and ive added services Jul 15 02:29:20 Once my contract drops im prob gonna ship to verizon Jul 15 02:29:44 Cingular is too pricey for my plan though Jul 15 02:29:58 i got a regional plan from wirefly and changed it almost immediately to a national plan Jul 15 02:30:03 I got unlim messaging/minutes for $80 a month with roaming and long distance Jul 15 02:30:18 Cingular was like $130 for the same thing in my area Jul 15 02:30:19 MediaMAX 200 Jul 15 02:30:26 really? ive always found verizon to be more expensive Jul 15 02:30:29 for data on Cingular Jul 15 02:30:53 mediamax 200 is only 25$ Jul 15 02:31:01 on top of your plan Jul 15 02:31:17 or is that the 20$ plan? Jul 15 02:31:44 i Haven't looked at verizons prices for everything yet Jul 15 02:31:47 im on tmobile atm Jul 15 02:31:50 in anycase, rollover rocks Jul 15 02:32:07 Ya, my thing is that with verizon everyone I know is in that "In" thing Jul 15 02:32:10 verto, it also depends on the people you call. Jul 15 02:32:11 20$ on top for me Jul 15 02:32:14 So all my calls/text are free Jul 15 02:32:25 I have 6000 minutes in rollover on a family plan. Jul 15 02:32:28 We need to use more minutes. ;) Jul 15 02:32:36 lol Jul 15 02:32:47 i have 3000+ minutes alone Jul 15 02:33:00 and i have the 450 minute plan Jul 15 02:33:02 I am alone and burn about 2-3k minutes and 8-10k messages (IM, Text, Pix, etc...) Jul 15 02:33:28 everyone i routinely call is on cingular, so its rare that i use my minutes Jul 15 02:33:39 Hey, do you guys use your N800 as-is when you get it? Or do you change out the OS on it? Jul 15 02:33:47 Use the built-in OS Jul 15 02:33:51 Modify it to hell. Jul 15 02:33:53 change out the OS? Jul 15 02:33:53 <_Monkey> Luria: that doesn't look right Jul 15 02:34:35 what doesnt look right? Jul 15 02:34:59 What all do I do to modify it? I don't think I can be gettin a replacement OS when I mess it all up so I wanna be careful (Unless that Nokia updater will replace it or something) Jul 15 02:35:29 You can reflash if you mess up Jul 15 02:35:41 The one thing you want to do now is make sure it's got the most recent firmware. Jul 15 02:35:41 get ssh, get root, get funky Jul 15 02:35:42 Alright, so the updater Jul 15 02:35:42 np Jul 15 02:35:49 verto back it up, use the updater to update it to the latest OS. Jul 15 02:35:53 Sweet, I can ssh to it Jul 15 02:36:10 verto find out what all the buttons do to Jul 15 02:36:16 yeah, you may want to change the root/rootme passwd Jul 15 02:36:21 :-) Jul 15 02:36:25 whats the default? Jul 15 02:36:27 blank? Jul 15 02:36:31 rootme Jul 15 02:36:31 rootme Jul 15 02:36:34 lol Jul 15 02:36:36 :-) Jul 15 02:36:39 thats lame Jul 15 02:36:41 haha Jul 15 02:36:42 Hehe Jul 15 02:36:51 just do not change the user password Jul 15 02:36:52 better then toor I guess Jul 15 02:36:56 root backwards Jul 15 02:36:57 One thing to be sure to change is the soft-power-off for the power button long-press. Jul 15 02:36:58 this can cause fun Jul 15 02:37:10 Ya, im sure Jul 15 02:37:14 hmmm, public wifi Jul 15 02:37:24 woo, who has their nokia on here?? haha Jul 15 02:37:29 what is the user password Jul 15 02:37:32 yay for linux ssh attacks Jul 15 02:37:36 how do you change the soft poweroff on the button??? Jul 15 02:37:39 brb Jul 15 02:37:48 verto, im typing in xchat on my n800, BT keyboard Jul 15 02:38:05 open wifi spot at a cafe in nyc Jul 15 02:38:14 I am very impressed with my n800 which I have had for a month now Jul 15 02:38:26 BT kb is on my list Jul 15 02:38:26 just as important, open power socket :-) Jul 15 02:38:42 You have to edit mce.ini Jul 15 02:38:54 Wait until you flash and get root/ssh Jul 15 02:38:59 edt: i got one 3 days after my n800. havent looked back. Jul 15 02:39:13 foldable? Jul 15 02:39:17 yeah Jul 15 02:39:24 make? Jul 15 02:39:28 the thinkoutside one without the number row Jul 15 02:40:19 Luria, how do you carry it? Jul 15 02:40:23 My pockets are a little full these days. Jul 15 02:40:24 depends Jul 15 02:40:26 back Jul 15 02:40:32 had to get my N from the other room Jul 15 02:40:48 slim pocket cargo pants hold everything Jul 15 02:40:49 Luria do you also use a bt mouse? Jul 15 02:40:55 edt : no Jul 15 02:41:27 PowerVR drivers + mouse support + Quake II = win Jul 15 02:41:28 Why use a mouse? Jul 15 02:41:32 if you have a keyboard Jul 15 02:41:38 lol Jul 15 02:42:01 I can't wait for the N900 Jul 15 02:42:03 whats the video card memory on the N800? Jul 15 02:42:08 alternatively, i use a pack from civilian labs which hold n800, kybd, n800 charger, solar bt gps Jul 15 02:42:10 I friend in Germany was tellin me about that Jul 15 02:42:14 He said it was amazing Jul 15 02:42:56 the n900? from engadget? was that real? Jul 15 02:43:06 Ya Jul 15 02:43:09 it looked like a mockup at best Jul 15 02:43:10 No, it wasn't Jul 15 02:43:14 Was a cellphone of some sort Jul 15 02:43:16 No top buttons Jul 15 02:43:22 Screen was 4:3 Jul 15 02:43:27 idk where he got it, but he said he played with one for a bit Jul 15 02:43:36 can I ssh from wireles? Jul 15 02:43:42 or do I need to connect it? Jul 15 02:44:42 GeneralAntilles: Jul 15 02:44:44 http://www.tadgear.com/x-treme%20gear/gear%20organizers%20main/civilian.htm Jul 15 02:44:51 qstarz btq818 as a gps here Jul 15 02:44:53 im using the escape rg model Jul 15 02:44:55 works great Jul 15 02:45:06 with maemomapper Jul 15 02:45:10 i-blue 737 Jul 15 02:45:11 im using the iblue 757 solar Jul 15 02:45:18 I was 5hz support out of MM Jul 15 02:45:32 yeah i have to do the 5mhz hack Jul 15 02:46:28 GeneralAntilles, i meant the covert rg escape Jul 15 02:47:19 you should look at the civilianlab.com site to get an idea Jul 15 02:47:30 they are very flexible Jul 15 02:47:41 Sweet Jul 15 02:47:42 but i still need a leather case for the n800 Jul 15 02:47:44 That thing looks awesome Jul 15 02:47:49 verto wireless or bt Jul 15 02:48:01 The Intech DS case that was on ITT looked very interesting Jul 15 02:48:07 Couldn't find it at Best Buy, though. Jul 15 02:48:09 what does the 5hz hack do? Jul 15 02:48:24 ive seen it at j&r, but its a slip case, iirc Jul 15 02:48:52 edt: polls the gps signal at 5hz instead of the common once per second Jul 15 02:49:20 I am using the silcon case from boxware along with a gps case which holds gps, n800, cables but not the charger (yet) Jul 15 02:49:21 I like the current case for my usage Jul 15 02:49:26 Does anyone have a link to something to get me started on setting up gps on my 800? Jul 15 02:49:32 It's just a little too flexible for my pocket and a little too loose to carry around. Jul 15 02:49:46 I heard of some things to get free gps on these Jul 15 02:49:46 where is the mod? and does this eat more power? Jul 15 02:49:49 Flash the firmware first Jul 15 02:49:58 don't waste your time getting it setup, you'll lose it all with the flash. Jul 15 02:50:07 http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html Jul 15 02:50:08 Im fully updated atm Jul 15 02:50:14 OK then Jul 15 02:50:20 Install some repositories Jul 15 02:50:27 I just got it yesterday actually Jul 15 02:50:31 and ran the updater first thing Jul 15 02:50:36 no Jul 15 02:50:40 red pill Jul 15 02:50:43 ssh Jul 15 02:50:47 lock down root Jul 15 02:50:53 then repositories Jul 15 02:51:18 I'm looking into getting an otterbox for the GPS/N800 Jul 15 02:51:21 so I can ssh it from my wireless right? Jul 15 02:51:28 I go canoeing in really f'ed up places a lot Jul 15 02:51:34 Google sat imagery REALLY helps Jul 15 02:51:40 you can ssh from the n800 to the n800 :-) Jul 15 02:51:48 wow Jul 15 02:51:51 Just have one of those waterproof boating ziplocks right now. Jul 15 02:51:54 how do I get terminal running? Jul 15 02:51:56 root@localhost is my lazy sudo Jul 15 02:52:11 Luria: haha Jul 15 02:52:21 verto, read the page i posted: http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html Jul 15 02:52:31 it has links to debs Jul 15 02:52:40 ok Jul 15 02:52:42 hmm Jul 15 02:52:47 do I NEED linux? Jul 15 02:52:50 read through it first Jul 15 02:52:55 I have mac and several windows Jul 15 02:52:58 we all need linux Jul 15 02:53:04 I nuked my linux last week Jul 15 02:53:08 ya Jul 15 02:53:12 Get the 770 flasher for OS X from google Jul 15 02:53:13 but for this lol Jul 15 02:53:17 seriously, no Jul 15 02:53:29 that will work with my N800? Jul 15 02:53:32 Yes Jul 15 02:53:33 you will want a vnc client and an ssh client Jul 15 02:53:35 I've used it twice so far. Jul 15 02:53:55 for working on your IT from your desktop Jul 15 02:53:55 Well, 3x for when I messed got into a reboot-loop Jul 15 02:54:05 http://www.bleb.org/software/770/770Flasher-2.0.dmg Jul 15 02:54:07 I can ssh from terminal on my OSx Jul 15 02:54:12 will that do? Jul 15 02:54:17 Yes Jul 15 02:54:19 why not? Jul 15 02:54:20 and it already has vnc Jul 15 02:54:23 kk Jul 15 02:54:29 I dont like GUI so much lol Jul 15 02:54:32 ssh iss ssh, unless it's ossh Jul 15 02:54:37 lol Jul 15 02:54:44 thats a shirt right there Jul 15 02:54:59 Hehe Jul 15 02:55:07 you may find the vnc to be more useful than you think Jul 15 02:55:35 ive run vnc servers on both the n800 and sl-5600 Jul 15 02:56:12 I run all the ITs under VNC on one of my secondary displays as a demo. Jul 15 02:56:14 Pretty funny. Jul 15 02:56:23 and even if you prefer cli, there are certain things you may have to do with the gui Jul 15 02:56:33 busybox is weak by default Jul 15 02:56:42 I'm surprised that Nokia didn't include so much Jul 15 02:56:46 GeneralAntilles, i managed a hall of mirrors with my window desktop Jul 15 02:56:49 damn this laptop. Acer is retarded, just an fyi. Who puts the wireless button pointing OUTWARD to your stomach where it will ALWAYS hit. Jul 15 02:56:58 Last message I got was at 20:55:04 Jul 15 02:57:04 MST Jul 15 02:57:11 i like rdesktop on the n800 Jul 15 02:57:24 so the vnc GUI is actually useful? Jul 15 02:57:25 thanks god for the 800 px wide screen Jul 15 02:57:40 its not just like, heres the login terminal, and heres like 4 worthless options? Jul 15 02:57:47 whats rdesktop give you? Jul 15 02:58:11 vertoo, vncing into the n800 is useful for working on it from a real computer Jul 15 02:58:20 that works Jul 15 02:58:42 vnc or rdesktop out is nice for fixing something on a home machine when away from home Jul 15 02:58:45 anyone know of a tts/stt app for the 800? Jul 15 02:58:55 synergy also lets that work - if you enable the mouse cursor Jul 15 02:59:12 i set up a vlc transcode to mp3 of a wma stream while away from home Jul 15 02:59:21 Synergy Jul 15 02:59:22 Damn Jul 15 02:59:25 How do you set that up? Jul 15 02:59:38 stupid osso player cant handle asf streams with two playlist items Jul 15 02:59:41 use the quicksynergy on garage **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 15 02:59:57 2007