**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 15 02:59:57 2007
Jul 15 03:00:06 <Luria> so i restreamed the wma stream from home
Jul 15 03:00:18 <edt> setup a config file on you pc and away you do
Jul 15 03:00:29 <vertoo> bbl
Jul 15 03:00:29 <Luria> transcoded to mp3. lost quality, but it worked :-/
Jul 15 03:01:19 <Luria> edt: i like rdesktop to windows because it resizes the windows desktop to to 480x800
Jul 15 03:01:49 <Luria> vnc leaves the screen as  is so there is a lot of panning
Jul 15 03:02:37 <Luria> but that too can be an advantage - sometime the dialog boxes are too small to read/use at 480x800
Jul 15 03:02:42 <vertoo> if you wanna swap media files from one format to another theres a very easy way without a stream and no qual loss
Jul 15 03:02:53 <vertoo> as long as they aren't protected
Jul 15 03:03:01 <vertoo> Just dl iTunes
Jul 15 03:03:12 <vertoo> and set the default type to mp3
Jul 15 03:03:15 <vertoo> add all the files
Jul 15 03:03:17 <Luria> yeah, not going to happen
Jul 15 03:03:19 <vertoo> select them, right click
Jul 15 03:03:23 <Luria> i hate itunes
Jul 15 03:03:26 <vertoo> and you have mp3
Jul 15 03:03:29 <vertoo> So do I
Jul 15 03:03:36 <vertoo> But I love a free file converter
Jul 15 03:03:45 <Luria> will that work on streams?
Jul 15 03:03:58 <vertoo> Oh, your streaming like internet radio?
Jul 15 03:04:01 <vertoo> Then vlc is your bet
Jul 15 03:04:11 <vertoo> I thought you had like wma files you wanted converted
Jul 15 03:04:13 <Luria> uhhh.. thats what i did
Jul 15 03:04:15 <Luria> no no
Jul 15 03:04:25 <Luria> i wanted to listen to a wma stream
Jul 15 03:04:35 <Luria> which doesnt quite work with osso
Jul 15 03:04:38 <vertoo> Ya, I was kinda wondering why you used wma to begin with
Jul 15 03:04:40 <vertoo> ya
Jul 15 03:04:43 <vertoo> def. not
Jul 15 03:05:14 <Luria> well, it does work - as long as there is only one stream in the playlist
Jul 15 03:05:41 <Luria> so, i would get the 14 second station id, but it wouldnt kick over to the actual radio
Jul 15 03:06:11 <Luria> openvpn+rdesktop, vlc transcode, restream, and i was in business
Jul 15 03:06:44 <Luria> of course if any of the media players were good on the n800...
Jul 15 03:07:35 <edt> nokia should talk the the guys who setup mmplayer for the palm.  They have codexs for wma and others for arm...
Jul 15 03:08:00 <vertoo> Hey, does anyone know of a good calendar prog for the 800?
Jul 15 03:08:12 <vertoo> Its so stupid that theres not a built in
Jul 15 03:08:24 <Luria> you got me. i wonder how many people PIM on the n800
Jul 15 03:08:46 <vertoo> PIM?
Jul 15 03:09:03 <Luria> personal information manager
Jul 15 03:09:06 <vertoo> Oh
Jul 15 03:09:08 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 03:09:22 <Luria> phonebook, cal, etc.
Jul 15 03:09:28 <vertoo> I would personally
Jul 15 03:09:36 <vertoo> It would be really nice for school
Jul 15 03:09:42 <Luria> i dunno. i hate text entry on the n800
Jul 15 03:09:43 <vertoo> cut down on the things I need to carry around
Jul 15 03:09:59 <vertoo> Ya, I need to either find, or code a tts/stt prog for it
Jul 15 03:10:01 <Luria> its very rare that i go without the bt kybd
Jul 15 03:10:11 <vertoo> How much was that?
Jul 15 03:10:15 <vertoo> I think ima get one
Jul 15 03:10:18 <edt> pim here, synced my old palm to kdepim and then to gpe using opensync
Jul 15 03:10:24 <vertoo> e-mail on here is a pain in the ass
Jul 15 03:10:29 <Luria> i wanted one then and there, so 100
Jul 15 03:10:37 <Luria> but the same model is 80 online
Jul 15 03:10:44 <Luria> USD for prices
Jul 15 03:11:05 <vertoo> not bad
Jul 15 03:11:10 <vertoo> Ya, im USD
Jul 15 03:11:31 <Luria> i assumed, but you cant assume :-)
Jul 15 03:11:41 <edt> CAD here
Jul 15 03:11:52 <Luria> see :-)
Jul 15 03:12:14 <vertoo> yup
Jul 15 03:12:20 <vertoo> Hmm
Jul 15 03:12:40 <vertoo> I think ima just go ahead and throw linux on dual boot with my laptop before I try anything with this 800
Jul 15 03:12:58 <Luria> why dont you use the vm
Jul 15 03:13:00 <vertoo> Im not comftorable doing things like that with an OS that crashes so often whenever you do something it doesnt like
Jul 15 03:13:27 <vertoo> vm?
Jul 15 03:13:34 <Luria> vmplayer is fairly stable, if a bit resource hungry
Jul 15 03:13:50 <vertoo> I mean for the reflash of my n800
Jul 15 03:13:56 <Luria> there is a virtual machine development image
Jul 15 03:14:05 <vertoo> Im going to drop linux on one for the tools
Jul 15 03:14:13 <Luria> save you from dual booting
Jul 15 03:14:17 <vertoo> Oh
Jul 15 03:14:18 <vertoo> umm
Jul 15 03:14:19 <vertoo> well
Jul 15 03:14:27 <vertoo> Cause I want my linux back too
Jul 15 03:14:35 <vertoo> I had a desktop devoted to linux
Jul 15 03:14:39 <vertoo> and that kinda.... fried
Jul 15 03:14:41 <Luria> ok, different story then
Jul 15 03:14:45 <vertoo> my fault entirely lol
Jul 15 03:14:46 <vertoo> ya
Jul 15 03:14:53 <vertoo> This laptop I use for school
Jul 15 03:15:04 <vertoo> so not a big deal to hit 1 more key when I turn it on
Jul 15 03:15:05 <Luria> you could also use the vm image to install on the machine iirc
Jul 15 03:15:22 <Luria> its ubuntu based, if thats your flavor
Jul 15 03:15:28 <vertoo> debian
Jul 15 03:15:35 <vertoo> so nope
Jul 15 03:16:02 <Luria> http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702
Jul 15 03:16:06 <vertoo> Wait
Jul 15 03:16:10 <Luria> just so you know
Jul 15 03:16:23 <vertoo> Luria, have you done your walkthrough for reflash using a mac?
Jul 15 03:16:39 <vertoo> I think that was you that gave me the link
Jul 15 03:16:43 <vertoo> http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html
Jul 15 03:16:44 <Luria> i dont use a mac, and the link wasnt mine
Jul 15 03:17:01 <vertoo> oh
Jul 15 03:17:05 <vertoo> who sent that link?
Jul 15 03:17:17 <Luria> i mean, i sent it, but didnt write
Jul 15 03:17:19 <Luria> write it
Jul 15 03:17:35 <vertoo> oh, ok
Jul 15 03:17:44 <Luria> frankly, i just use it for the post flash links
Jul 15 03:18:20 <Luria> i actually made sure to bookmark it, cause the bookmarks are restored after you restore post flash
Jul 15 03:18:22 <vertoo> Ya
Jul 15 03:18:30 <Luria> oh
Jul 15 03:18:39 <Luria> one thing you must know
Jul 15 03:18:49 <vertoo> I think I will wait a few weeks, cause I still have the default memory card for it
Jul 15 03:18:50 <Luria> if you use privoxy
Jul 15 03:18:56 <vertoo> I want to get my 2x 1g cards
Jul 15 03:19:09 <vertoo> privoxy?
Jul 15 03:19:20 <Luria> local ad stripping proxy?
Jul 15 03:19:33 <Luria> oss, runs on everything
Jul 15 03:20:10 <Luria> if you use *any* proxy, you must know about this bug in the package manager
Jul 15 03:20:20 <vertoo> ok
Jul 15 03:21:44 <Luria> if you do a restore, the proxy settings for your internet connection will return
Jul 15 03:22:06 <Luria> even if you manually clear them from the connection settings after
Jul 15 03:22:18 <GeneralAntilles> Any way to assign a global proxy setting?
Jul 15 03:22:34 <Luria> the package manager will still try to connect through the previous proxy settings
Jul 15 03:23:17 <Luria> which is a problem, because, then you cant use the package manager to install anything remote - including privoxy
Jul 15 03:23:24 <vertoo> weak
Jul 15 03:23:30 <Luria> so i keep a local copy
Jul 15 03:23:32 <vertoo> oh ya, I noticed the default app manager sucks
Jul 15 03:23:35 <vertoo> whats up with that?
Jul 15 03:23:41 <vertoo> it has like 10 apps
Jul 15 03:23:42 <Luria> you have no idea
Jul 15 03:23:45 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 03:23:58 <vertoo> I was all, wheres all my linuxey goodness?
Jul 15 03:24:25 <Luria> for something i use for like 4 days after a reflash, its my #1 or 2 usability problem
Jul 15 03:24:48 <Luria> i actually dled skype and depedancies to a dir
Jul 15 03:24:59 <GeneralAntilles> Flashless upgrades would be a godsend
Jul 15 03:25:05 <GeneralAntilles> Takes me a week to get back to where I was
Jul 15 03:25:09 <GeneralAntilles> and the settings are never all the same.
Jul 15 03:25:12 <Luria> ran dpkg -i * and let it figure it out
Jul 15 03:25:37 <vertoo> They prob dont want ppl hacking it
Jul 15 03:25:39 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 03:25:44 <vertoo> thus the flashes
Jul 15 03:25:49 <Luria> damn you just reminded me - i never reinstalled eboard
Jul 15 03:25:57 <Luria> sure they want people hacking it
Jul 15 03:26:09 <vertoo> Or at least they should expect it
Jul 15 03:26:13 <vertoo> Linux lol
Jul 15 03:26:13 <Luria> the sdhc patch was hackers' work
Jul 15 03:26:25 <vertoo> I see
Jul 15 03:27:18 <Luria> ah. dl deb, wait 5 minutes for package manager to start script
Jul 15 03:27:26 <Luria> if it starts. sigh.
Jul 15 03:28:14 <GeneralAntilles> How does Nokia manage to mess up their SDHC patch when the community had a perfectly good one up and running?
Jul 15 03:28:20 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 03:28:31 <GeneralAntilles> I'd really like to see more OS-level development shunted towards the people in the community.
Jul 15 03:28:36 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia just can't seem to get things right.
Jul 15 03:29:19 <vertoo> Ok, so is there much chance I will brick my n800 during my flash?
Jul 15 03:29:39 <vertoo> Or is it guaranteed the the flash program will fix my dumb mistakes?
Jul 15 03:31:11 <GeneralAntilles> Bricking is pretty uncommon
Jul 15 03:31:22 <GeneralAntilles> Just don't interrupt it. ;)
Jul 15 03:31:23 <Luria> from flashing, yeah. esp on the n800
Jul 15 03:32:10 <Luria> and have the battery well charged
Jul 15 03:32:45 <vertoo> Does it take long?
Jul 15 03:32:55 <vertoo> Ive got est 1hr remaining
Jul 15 03:32:58 <Luria> no, but dont risk it
Jul 15 03:33:17 <Luria> depends if you have already dled the rom
Jul 15 03:33:29 <vertoo> I'll charge it
Jul 15 03:33:32 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 03:33:59 <Luria> otherwise the process starts and you have to wait for the 80mb download to finish
Jul 15 03:34:08 <GeneralAntilles> It's about a 30 second flash
Jul 15 03:34:27 <Luria> it took 30 minutes for me - their cap not mine
Jul 15 03:34:42 <Luria> once you have the image, its 10 seconds
Jul 15 03:34:52 <Luria> for subsequent flashes
Jul 15 03:34:58 <vertoo> where can I dl the image?
Jul 15 03:35:17 <Luria> if you are running windows, just use the auto installer
Jul 15 03:35:18 <vertoo> http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800
Jul 15 03:35:37 <vertoo> I have windows and mac atm
Jul 15 03:35:41 <vertoo> not too familiar with mac
Jul 15 03:35:53 <vertoo> so I will go ahead and do it with windows
Jul 15 03:36:18 <Luria> good plan
Jul 15 03:39:48 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jul 15 03:46:47 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 03:47:03 <vertoo> I took the "Linux Inside" sticker off my linux machine and threw it onto my 800
Jul 15 03:47:07 <vertoo> it fits perfect
Jul 15 03:47:22 <vertoo> its like those windows or intel stickers that come on computers now
Jul 15 03:51:19 <eugene> vertoo: i need to find my debian stickers instead :)
Jul 15 03:51:48 <Luria> flashing is headache enough, why make it worse
Jul 15 03:51:48 <Luria> i mean, headache if you already have installed apps
Jul 15 03:51:48 <Luria> otherwise, meh
Jul 15 03:52:09 <eugene> Luria: it's not that bad :)
Jul 15 03:52:21 <Luria> its a pain
Jul 15 03:53:21 <Luria> i mean i understand why you can use keypresses to jump down a list
Jul 15 03:53:30 <Luria> though that should work
Jul 15 03:53:39 <Luria> but wraparound is handy
Jul 15 03:54:08 <vertoo> I dont really have more then like 3 apps installed
Jul 15 03:54:19 <vertoo> all of which I am willing to abandon and re-install later
Jul 15 03:54:24 <vertoo> so Im not even worried about a backup
Jul 15 03:54:30 <vertoo> yay for only having it 1 day now haha
Jul 15 03:54:46 <vertoo> thats annoying
Jul 15 03:54:49 <GeneralAntilles> I want click-scrolls-to-here on scrollbars.
Jul 15 03:54:54 <vertoo> the battery meter wont report how much there is if it is in charge
Jul 15 03:55:22 <Luria> yeah, ive been trying to figure what i can cat to get a voltage reading
Jul 15 03:55:46 <vertoo> ok, the OS image I want is the latest right?
Jul 15 03:55:51 <vertoo> its not a back flash?
Jul 15 03:58:31 <Luria> vertoo, the latest, yes
Jul 15 03:59:19 <vertoo> sweet, its already almost done
Jul 15 03:59:23 <vertoo> that took like 5min
Jul 15 04:00:40 <vertoo> Luria, can I flash it to this OS and do all the stuff I need to using Windows?
Jul 15 04:04:11 <Luria> yes
Jul 15 04:04:18 <Luria> you may want putty
Jul 15 04:04:52 <Luria> but after the flashing, you dont *need* anything beyond the 800 itself
Jul 15 04:05:54 <vertoo> putty?
Jul 15 04:06:19 <Luria> google is your friend
Jul 15 04:06:27 <Luria> ssh program for windows
Jul 15 04:06:27 <vertoo> gotcha
Jul 15 04:06:44 <Luria> you should also find winscp
Jul 15 04:06:51 <vertoo> sorry if I come off kinda annoying for asking such noob questions
Jul 15 04:06:55 <Luria> nah
Jul 15 04:06:56 <vertoo> I am a noob to this after all
Jul 15 04:07:12 <Luria> np
Jul 15 04:07:18 <pupnik_> putty = win
Jul 15 04:20:58 <vertoo> its doin a connection timeout over the wireless
Jul 15 04:21:18 <vertoo> what should I be doin different?
Jul 15 04:21:27 <vertoo> Luria:
Jul 15 04:21:46 <Luria> hmm
Jul 15 04:22:16 <Luria> first thing - are other devices working over wireless?
Jul 15 04:23:48 <vertoo> Yes
Jul 15 04:23:52 <vertoo> my laptop which im on
Jul 15 04:24:13 <vertoo> vnc viewer can connect to that also, did this fun lil infinite loop thing
Jul 15 04:24:14 <Luria> first thing - are other devices working over wireless?
Jul 15 04:24:18 <Luria> oops
Jul 15 04:24:21 <vertoo> Yes lol
Jul 15 04:24:27 <Luria> sorry
Jul 15 04:24:32 <vertoo> np
Jul 15 04:24:48 <Luria> you cant connect at all to your ap?
Jul 15 04:25:14 <vertoo> to my nokia? no
Jul 15 04:25:31 <Luria> thats... odd
Jul 15 04:25:39 <vertoo> should it be on usb?
Jul 15 04:25:45 <vertoo> im doing it over wireless
Jul 15 04:25:49 <Luria> one minute
Jul 15 04:25:54 <vertoo> ssh to its ip of 192.168.0.116
Jul 15 04:26:09 <vertoo> I ran the vnc viewer to that ip and it timed out
Jul 15 04:26:09 <Luria> ah ah ah
Jul 15 04:26:25 <vertoo> but the viewer hit my laptop at its 192 address
Jul 15 04:26:35 <vertoo> with server running on laptop
Jul 15 04:26:51 <Luria> ok, one sec
Jul 15 04:27:17 <Luria> you want to use vnc client on nokia, vnc server on windows
Jul 15 04:27:20 <Luria> yes?
Jul 15 04:28:16 <vertoo> umm, sure
Jul 15 04:28:23 <vertoo> never used vnc so im just guessing
Jul 15 04:28:27 <vertoo> you told me to get it lol
Jul 15 04:28:40 <vertoo> I want to ssh from windows to nokia
Jul 15 04:28:55 <vertoo> lets keep it simple at that, once i get ssh working I can figure out what vnc accomplishes
Jul 15 04:29:00 <Luria> ok, that has nothing (specific)p to do with vnc
Jul 15 04:29:06 <Luria> heres what you do
Jul 15 04:29:29 <vertoo> Putty installed and waiting
Jul 15 04:29:53 <Luria> first, install openssh following that link on that page i sent you
Jul 15 04:30:03 <vertoo> on pc or nokia?
Jul 15 04:30:12 <Luria> on nokia
Jul 15 04:31:36 <Luria> you know what im talking about?
Jul 15 04:31:50 <vertoo> im on the openssh.com page
Jul 15 04:32:08 <vertoo> looking for an IT 07 version, or should I just install a generic linux version?
Jul 15 04:32:16 <Luria> ok, stop
Jul 15 04:32:22 <Luria> listen...
Jul 15 04:32:22 <vertoo> *stopped*
Jul 15 04:32:32 <Luria> http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html
Jul 15 04:32:39 <vertoo> kk
Jul 15 04:32:41 <Luria> go there on you nokia and you pc
Jul 15 04:32:44 <Luria> your pc
Jul 15 04:33:05 <vertoo> kk
Jul 15 04:33:13 <Luria> so we are dealing with a just flashed n800, yes?
Jul 15 04:34:00 <Luria> vertoo?
Jul 15 04:34:01 <_Monkey> i think vertoo is a noob to this after all
Jul 15 04:34:04 <vertoo> Ya, I flashed it to upgrade it using the nokia tools provided on the site yesterday
Jul 15 04:34:24 <vertoo> Since then I have installed like 3 apps that idc about
Jul 15 04:34:30 <vertoo> data loss is ok
Jul 15 04:34:32 <Luria> _Monkey,  ill get him through this :-)
Jul 15 04:34:33 <_Monkey> Luria: sorry...
Jul 15 04:34:46 <Luria> ok, vertoo
Jul 15 04:34:55 <Luria> here's what we're going to do
Jul 15 04:34:56 <vertoo> ok, im on the site
Jul 15 04:35:01 <vertoo> but before we go further
Jul 15 04:35:21 <vertoo> is there like a minimum memory size I should have available on my 800?
Jul 15 04:35:31 <Luria> middle of the page - restoring stuff
Jul 15 04:35:44 <Luria> vertoo, you dont need to worry at the moment
Jul 15 04:35:47 <vertoo> kk
Jul 15 04:35:55 <vertoo> k
Jul 15 04:36:19 <Luria> so, i want you to skip to the middle of the page and read that section to get an idea of what we are going to be doing
Jul 15 04:36:19 <vertoo> ok, im installing
Jul 15 04:36:34 <vertoo> the open ssh thing
Jul 15 04:36:38 <vertoo> already did redpill
Jul 15 04:36:40 <Luria> ok
Jul 15 04:36:43 <Luria> good
Jul 15 04:36:52 <Luria> i was afraid you were skipping steps
Jul 15 04:36:53 <vertoo> I laughed when I saw that
Jul 15 04:36:57 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 04:37:14 <vertoo> no, im working on becomming an IT
Jul 15 04:37:26 <vertoo> redundancy and going through each tedious step is totally ok with me
Jul 15 04:37:29 <Luria> you dont need to disable redpill
Jul 15 04:37:35 <Luria> thats up to you
Jul 15 04:37:35 <vertoo> I figured
Jul 15 04:37:40 <vertoo> I will keep it up
Jul 15 04:37:47 <vertoo> doesn't seem bad since I still get a prompt
Jul 15 04:37:51 <Luria> you will see more packages
Jul 15 04:37:54 <vertoo> ok, ssh installed
Jul 15 04:38:09 <Luria> but it will slow down the app manager
Jul 15 04:38:11 <Luria> great
Jul 15 04:38:14 <Luria> next
Jul 15 04:38:22 <Luria> get xterm for your nokia
Jul 15 04:38:52 <Luria> first link in step 17
Jul 15 04:38:56 <vertoo> got it
Jul 15 04:39:06 <vertoo> installed
Jul 15 04:39:11 <Luria> great
Jul 15 04:39:14 <Luria> run xterm
Jul 15 04:39:23 <Luria> and run
Jul 15 04:39:36 <Luria> ssh root@localhost
Jul 15 04:39:46 <Luria> l/p root/rootme
Jul 15 04:40:45 <Luria> you ok?
Jul 15 04:40:47 <vertoo> ya
Jul 15 04:40:49 <vertoo> ok, im in
Jul 15 04:41:03 <Luria> good, now passwd to change
Jul 15 04:41:20 <Luria> dont disable root just yet
Jul 15 04:41:44 <vertoo> k
Jul 15 04:41:47 <Luria> changed the root passwd?
Jul 15 04:41:49 <Luria> good
Jul 15 04:41:51 <vertoo> ya
Jul 15 04:42:02 <Luria> ok, now ifconfig to find out your ip
Jul 15 04:42:18 <vertoo> already know it
Jul 15 04:42:36 <Luria> well, just confirm your nokia knows it :-)
Jul 15 04:42:48 <Luria> after that
Jul 15 04:42:56 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 04:43:06 <Luria> on your laptop, run putty and connect
Jul 15 04:43:10 <Luria> youre done
Jul 15 04:43:33 <vertoo> hmm
Jul 15 04:43:37 <vertoo> when I ran ifconfig
Jul 15 04:43:50 <vertoo> the output reads a different ip
Jul 15 04:43:56 <Luria> see :-)
Jul 15 04:44:07 <vertoo> I already configured my router to set my nokia to a static ip @ 192.168.0.116
Jul 15 04:44:18 <vertoo> but its saying its located at 192.168.0.100
Jul 15 04:44:22 <vertoo> which is my routers location
Jul 15 04:44:31 <Luria> uh oh
Jul 15 04:44:32 <vertoo> unless inet isn't its loca
Jul 15 04:44:46 <Luria> why is your router at .100?
Jul 15 04:45:07 <vertoo> err
Jul 15 04:45:08 <Luria> and not .1 like everyone else
Jul 15 04:45:10 <vertoo> router is at .1
Jul 15 04:45:11 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 04:45:33 <vertoo> I set static values starting at 110 for all my computers to make detecting intrusions easier
Jul 15 04:45:44 <vertoo> and it isn't matching its static
Jul 15 04:45:46 <Luria> ok, so your router is at .1, the nokia at .100?
Jul 15 04:45:52 <vertoo> thats what it says
Jul 15 04:45:57 <vertoo> but the router reports differently
Jul 15 04:46:02 <vertoo> looking at the log now
Jul 15 04:46:02 <Luria> thats fine, but your router should be at the start of the block
Jul 15 04:46:06 <vertoo> mac address matches
Jul 15 04:46:13 <vertoo> ya
Jul 15 04:46:14 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 04:46:23 <Luria> ok, router problems later. back to the laptop
Jul 15 04:46:34 <Luria> putty ssh to .100
Jul 15 04:46:51 <Luria> lets make sure that works
Jul 15 04:47:21 <vertoo> weird
Jul 15 04:47:23 <vertoo> it works fine
Jul 15 04:47:37 <vertoo> I prob just need to renew the DHCP to set its static
Jul 15 04:47:39 <vertoo> np there
Jul 15 04:47:50 <vertoo> I connected via ssh now
Jul 15 04:47:58 <Luria> see, youre done
Jul 15 04:48:15 <vertoo> sweet
Jul 15 04:48:33 <Luria> you can leave it like this, or do the sudoers approach in the link i sent you
Jul 15 04:49:05 <Luria> i would recommend installing pretty much every package on that page
Jul 15 04:49:36 <Luria> told ya we'd fix it
Jul 15 04:49:57 <Luria> next, openvpn, then vnc
Jul 15 04:50:20 <Luria> and then youll be in remote control of your machine
Jul 15 04:50:24 <Luria> from anywhere
Jul 15 04:50:37 <ericz> openvpn, ooh, i'd like to hear this
Jul 15 04:50:49 <Luria> but if youve never dont openvpn, you MUST read tfm
Jul 15 04:51:17 <Luria> it is the easiest vpn to set up, but it is not a beginner topic
Jul 15 04:51:35 <Luria> esp if you want to do more than psk authentication
Jul 15 04:52:19 <Luria> otoh, it is very handy, especially coupled with a home proxy for secure surfing on anyone's open wifi
Jul 15 04:52:32 <ericz> i'd like to be able to do that :/
Jul 15 04:52:52 <Luria> it's not hard. in broad strokes:
Jul 15 04:52:54 <ericz> are you talking a 770 or 800? or can you use a vpn with both?
Jul 15 04:53:12 <Luria> i believe the openvpn deb runs on both
Jul 15 04:53:21 <Luria> i use the n800
Jul 15 04:53:25 <Luria> so i cant say
Jul 15 04:53:28 <ericz> ah
Jul 15 04:54:23 <Luria> plus im talking about openvpn specifically; i have no experience with vpnc and very little with ipsec
Jul 15 04:54:53 <Luria> but, to get up an running, in broad strokes -
Jul 15 04:55:06 <Luria> install ovpn on home machine
Jul 15 04:55:15 <Luria> port forward 1194
Jul 15 04:55:28 <vertoo> k
Jul 15 04:55:32 <Luria> generate PSK, copies on both devices
Jul 15 04:55:36 <vertoo> h/o
Jul 15 04:55:46 <Luria> write two config files
Jul 15 04:55:50 <vertoo> i need to go run an errand
Jul 15 04:55:53 <vertoo> i will
Jul 15 04:55:55 <Luria> run open vpn
Jul 15 04:56:02 <vertoo> be back in like 15min
Jul 15 04:56:18 <vertoo> if your still here we can continue
Jul 15 04:56:20 <Luria> that said, you must rtfm
Jul 15 04:56:27 <ericz> i think openvpn is pretty easy to install on ubuntu, never really tried though and i don't know a whole lot about it
Jul 15 04:56:36 <vertoo> else, cya later and thx for the help
Jul 15 04:56:42 <Luria> i cant walk you through it - not because its hard
Jul 15 04:56:58 <Luria> but because there are security decisions you have to make
Jul 15 04:57:07 <Luria> and you need to make an informed decision
Jul 15 04:57:50 <ericz> where could i find the 770 openvpn client?
Jul 15 04:57:51 <CountDown> Ahoy.  Last year I got pyusb running on my 770.  I now have an N800 and am hoping to again get pyusb working.  Problem is, I don't remember how I did it the first time.  I don't remember having to compile against the python dev libraries and libusb, but I might be wrong.  Anyone have it working?
Jul 15 04:58:24 <Luria> sorry, not using it here
Jul 15 04:59:16 <Luria> incidentally, id like to pose a question to the channel: is there a gestures library (pref. python) for the n800?
Jul 15 04:59:47 <procto> today was a momentous occasion: I ordered an n800
Jul 15 04:59:58 <eugene> procto: happy for you!
Jul 15 05:00:02 <procto> :>
Jul 15 05:00:09 <Luria> procto: now come the accessories
Jul 15 05:00:18 <Luria> }:-)
Jul 15 05:00:28 <eugene> Luria: i actually ordered my accessories before i order an n800 :P
Jul 15 05:00:35 <Luria> what did you get?
Jul 15 05:00:50 <eugene> a leather casing from hong kong, a screen protector from uk
Jul 15 05:01:06 <procto> heh
Jul 15 05:01:08 <eugene> still looking for a keyboard
Jul 15 05:01:10 <Luria> both are important
Jul 15 05:01:15 <procto> I ordered the stowaway bluetooth keyboard with it
Jul 15 05:01:18 <eugene> yup.
Jul 15 05:01:21 <Luria> but you need a kybd and gps :-)
Jul 15 05:01:22 <procto> only 80-something on amazon right now
Jul 15 05:01:30 <procto> also got screen protectors
Jul 15 05:01:35 <procto> I'm going to get the gps soon
Jul 15 05:01:45 <eugene> Luria: it's quite expensive... even n800 is not available in this part of the world. i have to import everything :)
Jul 15 05:01:56 <procto> does anyone know if this: http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=01384&dept_id=058&cat_id=303
Jul 15 05:01:59 <procto> fits an n800?
Jul 15 05:02:01 <Luria> eugene, ah painful
Jul 15 05:02:04 <procto> because if it does, that would be orgasmic
Jul 15 05:02:42 <eugene> procto: i should go visit brando the next time i fly to hk
Jul 15 05:02:51 <Luria> not only does it not fit
Jul 15 05:03:06 <Luria> but according to posts on itt, it doesnt work
Jul 15 05:03:25 <Luria> 2nd hand info tho
Jul 15 05:03:28 <procto> with the n800 or in general?
Jul 15 05:03:32 <Luria> n800
Jul 15 05:03:47 <Luria> itt=internet tablet talk
Jul 15 05:03:59 <Luria> the nokia forum
Jul 15 05:04:14 <Luria> i would love to be wrong
Jul 15 05:04:30 <procto> I was already having day dreams of playing MAME with that thing
Jul 15 05:04:41 <Luria> btw, to underscore the value of the bt keyboard-
Jul 15 05:04:52 <Luria> im on my 800 at a cafe right now
Jul 15 05:05:56 <eugene> hehe you bought a bt keyboard so that you can irc at a cafe?
Jul 15 05:06:13 <Luria> i bought a bt kybd so i can use xterm
Jul 15 05:06:16 <Luria> and email
Jul 15 05:06:29 <Luria> and mostly not carry my notebook around anymore
Jul 15 05:06:44 <Luria> irc is only a couple of days old for me
Jul 15 05:07:02 <Luria> not since 1997
Jul 15 05:07:02 <eugene> mail is quite impossible for me. i use imap and my mailbox is about 2gb already...
Jul 15 05:07:07 <Luria> or so
Jul 15 05:07:21 <Luria> jesus. it really has been 10 years
Jul 15 05:07:27 <Luria> ah, efnet
Jul 15 05:07:33 <Luria> and server splits
Jul 15 05:07:41 <Luria> and op wars
Jul 15 05:07:47 <procto> Luria: I just found infoz on itt that it works at least with the 770
Jul 15 05:08:05 <Luria> ...er... now i remember why i stopped irc'ing
Jul 15 05:08:09 <Luria> really?
Jul 15 05:08:12 <Luria> really?
Jul 15 05:08:19 <Luria> link plz?
Jul 15 05:08:27 <Luria> i was debating getting one
Jul 15 05:08:31 <procto> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2666&highlight=bluetooth+gamepad
Jul 15 05:08:36 <Luria> ta
Jul 15 05:09:00 <procto> oh, another post about how that doesn't work very well on the n800 :>
Jul 15 05:10:16 <Luria> ah, see :-/
Jul 15 05:10:30 <procto> but basically, the trick is in getting kbdd to work
Jul 15 05:10:34 <procto> and then you just map it
Jul 15 05:11:04 <Luria> yeah, like all bt devices
Jul 15 05:11:21 <Luria> you may need to patch your kernel though
Jul 15 05:11:43 <Luria> which i hate doing
Jul 15 05:13:21 <procto> this has info on making it work on the n800: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4052&page=6&highlight=bluetooth+gamepad
Jul 15 05:23:07 <Luria> ha
Jul 15 05:23:17 <Luria> there is an iphone convention going on outside
Jul 15 05:23:46 <Luria> fuckers ruined the local edge network
Jul 15 05:26:36 <ericz> Luria, what was that port for openvpn?
Jul 15 05:27:07 <Luria> one sec
Jul 15 05:28:30 <vertoo> back
Jul 15 05:28:39 <vertoo> Just thought I would let you know Luria
Jul 15 05:28:46 <vertoo> I love my nokia so much more now lol
Jul 15 05:28:51 <vertoo> thx for all the help
Jul 15 05:28:58 <Luria> youre welcome
Jul 15 05:29:18 <vertoo> Next pay check I should get some accessories
Jul 15 05:29:25 <vertoo> case and btkb being the first
Jul 15 05:29:34 <vertoo> well, the extended warranty being the first lol
Jul 15 05:31:36 <else58> Is there a way to use the camera to stream video connection to a browser on another pc?
Jul 15 05:32:03 <else58> Can I use mplayer on the pc to get a stream from the n800?
Jul 15 05:33:21 <Luria> ericz openvpn is 1194 iirc
Jul 15 05:33:37 <ericz> Luria, k, thanks
Jul 15 05:34:47 <vertoo> Hey Luria, im having problems with installing the "less (terminal app)"
Jul 15 05:34:53 <vertoo> red pill mode still on
Jul 15 05:34:58 <vertoo> it crashes the app manager
Jul 15 05:36:06 <Luria> try getting it from the repository listing in the app manager
Jul 15 05:36:20 <Luria> but frankly, ive never had that problem with the link
Jul 15 05:37:07 <vertoo> Hmm
Jul 15 05:37:11 <vertoo> lemme try again
Jul 15 05:37:21 <vertoo> i noticed it has lag between prompts
Jul 15 05:37:28 <vertoo> prob fetching from the repositories
Jul 15 05:37:41 <vertoo> maybe clicking a bunch of .install files during lag did that
Jul 15 05:37:49 <vertoo> works now
Jul 15 05:38:04 <Luria> for those who asked
Jul 15 05:38:06 <Luria> http://downloads.maemo.org/system/
Jul 15 05:38:20 <Luria> search on that page for open vpn
Jul 15 05:38:26 <Luria> err openvpn
Jul 15 05:39:08 <Luria> oops
Jul 15 05:39:12 <Luria> no deb there
Jul 15 05:39:14 <Luria> one sec
Jul 15 05:39:20 <ericz> yeah, it just links to openvpn.net
Jul 15 05:41:09 <vertoo> now that I got this all set up, got a good cal prog I can get on here?
Jul 15 05:41:14 <vertoo> calendar
Jul 15 05:41:43 <eugene> gpe-calendar
Jul 15 05:42:05 <eugene> i haven't seen others. not the best but not too bad too
Jul 15 05:42:27 <vertoo> It lets me add notes in list view?
Jul 15 05:42:45 <vertoo> tis all I need out of a calendar
Jul 15 05:43:28 <vertoo> where can I find that at?
Jul 15 05:43:29 <_Monkey> that is a sign of good news
Jul 15 05:43:55 <vertoo> _Monkey: What is?
Jul 15 05:43:55 <_Monkey> bugger all, i dunno, vertoo
Jul 15 05:44:35 <eugene> vertoo: it has a separate app called gpe-todo
Jul 15 05:44:45 <eugene> vertoo: the calendar is just an app to add appointments, that's all.
Jul 15 05:44:52 <eugene> it doesn't seem to work with gpe-todo..
Jul 15 05:46:11 <Luria> ok
Jul 15 05:46:12 <Luria> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006
Jul 15 05:46:17 <Luria> there ya go
Jul 15 05:46:30 <Luria> has good deb links to openvpn
Jul 15 05:47:18 <Luria> also recommend ctorrent for use in a pinch
Jul 15 05:47:51 <gorlov> hi
Jul 15 05:48:13 <Luria> also xournal, which is one of my favorite apps
Jul 15 05:48:22 <Luria> but you need the n800 patch
Jul 15 05:49:15 <Luria> lesse... evince is much faster than the stock pdf reader
Jul 15 05:50:51 <eugene> what's xournal
Jul 15 05:50:54 <eugene> blogging tool?
Jul 15 05:50:56 <vertoo> Hey, has anyone set up their n800 to accept a SIM card and act as a phone?
Jul 15 05:51:30 <Luria> uhhh not possible
Jul 15 05:51:42 <Luria> xournal is like an infinite notepad
Jul 15 05:51:53 <Luria> it can also annotate pdf files
Jul 15 05:52:07 <eugene> ohh
Jul 15 05:52:22 <Luria> much better than the other sketch pads
Jul 15 05:52:26 <eugene> guess it's better than maemopad+? i don't really like this one
Jul 15 05:52:34 <eugene> not sure why ukmp dark fail on me
Jul 15 05:52:37 <eugene> it crashes
Jul 15 05:52:48 <Luria> want a new page? just click forward, it adds a new page to the notepad
Jul 15 05:53:06 <Luria> but you need the n800 patch
Jul 15 05:53:30 <eugene> hmm
Jul 15 05:53:32 <eugene> for?
Jul 15 05:53:33 <Luria> which you can find here
Jul 15 05:53:35 <Luria> http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages
Jul 15 05:53:40 <gorlov> what's the root default password for n800?
Jul 15 05:53:49 <Luria> the xournal install is for the 770
Jul 15 05:53:57 <Luria> gorlov, root/rootme
Jul 15 05:54:44 <eugene> gorlov: rootme
Jul 15 05:54:50 <eugene> Luria: thanks mate
Jul 15 05:54:56 <ericz> aw, Luria, all those debs for openvpn said incompatible on the 770
Jul 15 05:55:01 <gorlov> thank
Jul 15 05:55:31 <Luria> ericz, i didnt know you were running on the n770
Jul 15 05:55:51 <Luria> there is lots of info on that
Jul 15 05:55:58 <Luria> google n770 and openvpn
Jul 15 05:57:19 <ericz> the official-ish maemo port page for openvpn seems to be down (http://www.rahkonen.org/openvpn.html)
Jul 15 05:58:30 <Luria> there are other debs
Jul 15 05:59:32 <Luria> look at the os2006 page
Jul 15 05:59:42 <Luria> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006
Jul 15 06:00:01 <ericz> i tried those debs, all said incompatible
Jul 15 06:00:08 <Luria> oh
Jul 15 06:00:10 <Luria> sorry
Jul 15 06:00:33 <Luria> youll have to get it from a 770 user here
Jul 15 06:00:42 <Luria> or post on itt
Jul 15 06:00:53 <Luria> or google mistral openvpn
Jul 15 06:01:00 <Luria> maybe youll find a mirror
Jul 15 06:04:55 <ericz> http://board.nokia770hacks.com/How_To/How_to_Install_OpenVPN_on_Nokia_770_OS2006 looks interesting
Jul 15 06:07:21 <Luria> ok, im off
Jul 15 06:07:54 <Luria> night everyone
Jul 15 06:08:14 <ericz> later Luria
Jul 15 06:19:14 <user_> how do i change my name?
Jul 15 06:22:39 <`0660> what's wrong with "user_"? :)
Jul 15 06:23:19 <user_> lotsa things
Jul 15 06:23:23 <GeneralAntilles>  /nick <newname>
Jul 15 06:25:05 <vertoo> woo
Jul 15 06:25:47 <vertoo> i love my n800
Jul 15 06:26:07 <vertoo> best $400 USD ever
Jul 15 06:26:18 <GeneralAntilles> No kidding
Jul 15 06:26:43 <GeneralAntilles> GPS, usable web, games, video, music, _and_ a shell?
Jul 15 06:27:14 <eugene> GeneralAntilles: not to mention fm radio
Jul 15 06:27:16 <vertoo> i need to make this my real phone so it can pwn the iphone to hell
Jul 15 06:27:45 <GeneralAntilles> All you need is a simple 3g phone and a data plan
Jul 15 06:27:47 <GeneralAntilles> Be perfect
Jul 15 06:28:02 <vertoo> 3g??
Jul 15 06:28:42 <GeneralAntilles> HSDPA/EVDO
Jul 15 06:28:47 <GeneralAntilles> Mobile broadband
Jul 15 06:29:01 <GeneralAntilles> 50KB/sec-200KB/sec off your cellphone.
Jul 15 06:29:03 <vertoo> oh
Jul 15 06:30:02 <vertoo> but im saying, like put my sim into the memory thing and use this as my phone
Jul 15 06:31:36 <vertoo> got a link to the gps thing i need to buy to get the mapper working?
Jul 15 06:33:43 <GeneralAntilles> i-blue 757 or 737
Jul 15 06:33:45 <GeneralAntilles> amazon.com
Jul 15 06:34:27 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.dretchstorm.com/system/files/downloads/backport/mac/tremulous.dmg
Jul 15 06:34:48 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-757-Pro-Bluetooth-Logger/dp/B000NK8AFO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/102-3577594-3508115?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1184481255&sr=8-3
Jul 15 06:40:41 <ericz> ugh, just because the 770 *sees* a wireless signal, doesn't mean i even have a shot at connecting to it :/ or i get "link-local"
Jul 15 06:40:44 <gorlov> rootme not work :(
Jul 15 06:42:38 <`0660> then someone else has rooted you already :P
Jul 15 06:42:47 <vertoo> lol
Jul 15 07:33:29 <gorlov> I am serious. There are still variants  of the password for root?
Jul 15 07:36:02 <suihkulokki> gorlov: there is no variants. where are you trying to enter the password?
Jul 15 07:37:19 <gorlov> for example sudo ping...
Jul 15 07:37:47 <eugene> sudo ping <-- refers to user password
Jul 15 07:38:04 <eugene> you need to assign a password for user user
Jul 15 07:38:05 <jpizzle> hello fellow maemo folks, brand new to the community as I have just hopped on the nokia 770 bandwagon
Jul 15 07:38:06 <eugene> sudo gainroot
Jul 15 07:38:06 <_Monkey> i heard sudo gainroot was failing. Is there any other way to switch to root?
Jul 15 07:38:08 <eugene> passwd user
Jul 15 07:38:54 <eugene> gorlov: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/5922.html
Jul 15 07:40:23 <suihkulokki> _Monkey: it fails if you don't have the device in R&D mode
Jul 15 07:40:24 <_Monkey> suihkulokki: i'm not following you...
Jul 15 07:40:37 <eugene> suihkulokki: is Monkey a bot?
Jul 15 07:40:42 <suihkulokki> arghgghh bots
Jul 15 08:23:46 <CountDown> Anyone have pyusb running with maemo?
Jul 15 08:23:59 <eugene> what's pyusb
Jul 15 08:29:37 <pupnik> man, 320 mhz 2000x1500 22" Diamondtron monitors on sale for 60 euro
Jul 15 08:31:42 <CountDown> eugene: pyusb is a python interface to libusb, which is a user space library for accessing USB devices.
Jul 15 08:34:57 <eugene> oh..
Jul 15 10:49:22 <solmumaha> anyone know what happened to SoC ruby maemo bindings? looks like the project was cancelled :(
Jul 15 11:25:50 <alterego> I'm working on hildon bindings for Ruby right now.
Jul 15 11:27:35 <solmumaha> oh, related to Soc?
Jul 15 11:28:36 <alterego> No I just didn't want to wait.
Jul 15 11:29:01 <Veggen> alterego: how's progress?
Jul 15 11:29:54 <alterego> Figured they could use my progress but if they're not doing it, I guess it's all on me for the time being.
Jul 15 11:30:41 <solmumaha> well it has disappeared from maemo projects, so i guess it's cancelled
Jul 15 11:30:54 <solmumaha> so keep it up
Jul 15 11:31:22 <alterego> I've literally just started. I'm templating the HildonProgram and HildonWindow API's at the moment.
Jul 15 11:32:22 <alterego> I figure stick to the way ruby gnome has done things.
Jul 15 11:37:40 <alterego> Now the interesting bit starts. :) I can't help it I still love C ^_^
Jul 15 11:51:13 <solmumaha> anyone know if there are iptables-nat modules for latest firmware laying around somewhere?
Jul 15 12:02:02 <gomiam> no idea solmumaha
Jul 15 12:02:23 <gomiam> I'm still trying to find out whether iwconfig works or not on maemo :-)
Jul 15 12:02:58 <solmumaha> old ones don't seem to work and i was thinking of using n800 as a router for my old g4, that has no wlan
Jul 15 12:03:40 <alterego> It does on the N800. As does MAC assignments with ifconfig.
Jul 15 12:06:50 <alterego> Anyone know if you can make the n800 backlight stay on whilst charging?
Jul 15 12:09:51 <edt> alterego install acmonitor
Jul 15 12:10:13 <alterego> edt, cheers :)
Jul 15 12:10:31 <edt> it allows you to have powersetting for charging and another set for battery
Jul 15 12:12:05 <alterego> Sounds perfect thankyou.
Jul 15 12:17:59 <solmumaha> yay, wife allowed me to order 770
Jul 15 12:18:59 <alterego> Not an N800?
Jul 15 12:22:09 <solmumaha> i already have n800
Jul 15 12:22:44 <alterego> And you want a 770?!
Jul 15 12:22:58 <solmumaha> it's so cheap ;)
Jul 15 12:23:26 <alterego> My N800 was only £200
Jul 15 12:24:09 <solmumaha> well it's still a lot more than 130 e
Jul 15 12:24:31 <alterego> I've only had it a couple of days. Best thing I've ever purchased :D
Jul 15 12:26:04 <solmumaha> i love it too
Jul 15 12:26:17 <solmumaha> everyone else thinks it's useless though :)
Jul 15 12:27:12 <alterego> Yeah they just don't get it X)
Jul 15 12:50:04 <Sonej> I lost my sound in Skype, cant here i calling or not even ppl talking. But they can hear me. Strange?
Jul 15 13:13:22 <pupnik> cheapest n800 in germany is 433 dollars, cheapest n770 is 330 dollars
Jul 15 13:14:46 <gomiam> Sonej: are you still around?
Jul 15 13:15:12 <gomiam> have you tried to record your voice with the recording app or the camera app?
Jul 15 13:27:37 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 15 13:34:14 <pupnik> goedenmorgen
Jul 15 13:37:17 <alterego> Are 'HILDON_TYPE_*' compatible with 'GTK_TYPE_*' ?
Jul 15 13:37:55 <alterego> Oh, they're just macros to methods that return the g_object nice. :)
Jul 15 14:35:01 <zuh> alterego: (G)Type, not objects ;)
Jul 15 14:35:13 <alterego> Yah yah
Jul 15 14:35:23 <alterego> This is still pretty confusing.
Jul 15 14:35:55 <alterego> I've decided the best thing to do is copy the ruby-gnome2 tree rename it ruby-maemo and add/remove the bits that need adding and removing.
Jul 15 14:36:33 <alterego> As the Ruby-GNOME2 binding has a load of goodies premade :)
Jul 15 14:39:18 <zuh> I think that's pretty much the "standard" way to create a binding anyway (and the approach I used with my widgets)
Jul 15 14:39:30 <zuh> And I didn't even know jack about Ruby! :)
Jul 15 14:39:49 <alterego> Well, I know ruby. But this is the first time I've done a binding this complicated.
Jul 15 14:39:53 <zuh> I even had to ask for help with a "hello, world" level program to test them...
Jul 15 14:40:27 <alterego> And I've never had to look at the ruby-gnome2 internals either. It's freaky.
Jul 15 14:40:41 <alterego> Hardly any documentation for developers :(
Jul 15 14:40:59 <zuh> hmm
Jul 15 14:41:27 <alterego> Not for using the binding, but for hacking the binding. The documentation for using the binding is great.
Jul 15 14:43:57 <zuh> I seem to remember there was some guides for creating the bindings too, but can't seem to locate it now...
Jul 15 14:44:53 <zuh> Here we go, http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/hiki.cgi?How+to+Implement+Ruby-GNOME2
Jul 15 14:45:02 <alterego> Yeah, I've got that.
Jul 15 14:45:16 <alterego> And I've found another relatively helpful document.
Jul 15 14:45:18 <zuh> Granted, that doesn't really *explain* it
Jul 15 14:45:32 <alterego> But nothing that documents the 'mkmf-gnome2' thingy ..
Jul 15 14:47:30 <zuh> I guess I have just c&p:d blindly, I think I only did one widget anyway...
Jul 15 14:47:47 <alterego> Heh
Jul 15 14:48:16 <alterego> It's just going to take a little more time than I thought it would. I don't mind. If I'm going to do it I'm going to do it properly :D
Jul 15 14:51:28 <alterego> Maybe someone would like to help me ... :D
Jul 15 14:52:52 <alterego> Seems like the majority of maemo projects are lone soilders. It's a shame really, kind of doesn't make the community feel that much like a community when you don't work together.
Jul 15 14:54:40 <alterego> Well, stage one is complete ^_^
Jul 15 14:54:53 <alterego> Hopefully I'll have some good news for maemo-developers tonight.
Jul 15 15:03:10 <Sulis> oh! ok! what's the news?!
Jul 15 15:06:03 <alterego> News?
Jul 15 15:06:06 <pupnik> as a lone soldier you don't have to coordinate with anyone, or argue with anyone, or listen to anyone else's deadlines
Jul 15 15:06:21 <alterego> Sure, but it also means it's all up to me :P
Jul 15 15:06:37 <pupnik> you could wait until someone offers to help
Jul 15 15:06:43 <alterego> Heh
Jul 15 15:06:55 <alterego> Then I would have to wait for my ruby binding :)
Jul 15 15:07:43 <pupnik> whatever you're doing, i applaud you for it
Jul 15 15:07:55 <pupnik> i'm stuck and demotivated
Jul 15 15:08:17 <alterego> What are you stuck with?
Jul 15 15:08:41 <pupnik> on-screen button input on Ur-Quan Masters
Jul 15 15:10:56 <pupnik> i'll get it done eventually
Jul 15 15:16:36 <alterego> My N800 is basically just an internet radio and IM client at the moment ^_^
Jul 15 15:16:50 <alterego> Thought I've been using the browser for a reference manual to the Hildon API's. Very cool.
Jul 15 15:17:12 <eugene> evince seems buggy. the default pdf reader works better.
Jul 15 15:17:32 <alterego> Yeah, shame it doesn't support links though.
Jul 15 15:17:42 <alterego> Not tried evine.
Jul 15 15:17:45 <alterego> ~evince.
Jul 15 15:17:46 <infobot> it has been said that evince is a document viewer for multiple document formats like pdf, postscript, and many others. The goal of evince is to replace the multiple document viewers that exist on the GNOME Desktop, like ggv, gpdf, and xpdf with a single simple application.  See http://www.gnome.org/projects/evince/.
Jul 15 15:17:57 <alterego> O_O
Jul 15 15:18:01 <alterego> ~fish
Jul 15 15:18:02 <infobot> well, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or ...
Jul 15 15:18:10 <alterego> WTF?
Jul 15 15:18:30 <alterego> I guess my misspelled substitutions will have to take a different format now ^_^
Jul 15 15:50:38 <Jaffa> alterego: s/evine/evince/ would work better. infobot even understands them :)
Jul 15 15:51:04 <alterego> Heh
Jul 15 15:56:21 <famousjs> hey
Jul 15 16:18:40 <unique311> famousjs, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5929&highlight=grand+central
Jul 15 16:34:19 <pupnik> it might be a nice project to go back through #maemo logs and teach the bot more faq information
Jul 15 16:34:49 <alterego> But you're not going to do it because you're not motivated enough ;P
Jul 15 16:35:04 <alterego> I'm making real progress myself mind. Pretty happy now ^_^
Jul 15 16:35:12 <pupnik> good deal
Jul 15 16:35:28 <pupnik> unique311: can you place calls to landline phones with gizmo / grand central?
Jul 15 16:35:49 <unique311> no
Jul 15 16:35:54 <pupnik> i remember this free service that let you place calls up to a few minutes
Jul 15 16:35:54 <unique311> with gizmo yes...
Jul 15 16:35:55 <famousjs> lol were you posting the log where i found that?
Jul 15 16:35:57 <unique311> paid service
Jul 15 16:36:03 <pupnik> ok
Jul 15 16:36:05 <unique311> with grandcentral yes...
Jul 15 16:36:07 <famousjs> yea
Jul 15 16:36:09 <unique311> forwarding
Jul 15 16:36:36 <unique311> so you would forward your grandcentral number to your cellphone or house number..
Jul 15 16:36:49 <unique311> its a long story
Jul 15 16:36:53 <unique311> lol
Jul 15 16:37:04 <famousjs> it's easier to just watch the video on the main webpage
Jul 15 16:37:06 <famousjs> it explains all
Jul 15 16:37:12 <unique311> yes
Jul 15 16:38:08 <pupnik> With Click2Call, your GrandCentral number will show as the Caller ID. During our Beta period these outbound calls are free, but will have a small per minute charge in the future.
Jul 15 16:38:48 <unique311> i doubt it..
Jul 15 16:38:54 <unique311> google owns them now..
Jul 15 16:39:04 <famousjs> google owns everything
Jul 15 16:39:05 <unique311> the rules have to get updated...
Jul 15 16:39:32 <unique311> those beta rules where set in place from the 2 previous owners..
Jul 15 16:41:28 <procto> anyone here have Joost?
Jul 15 16:41:35 <unique311> i do
Jul 15 16:41:37 <procto> when my n800 arrives sometime this week
Jul 15 16:41:44 <procto> I'm going to figure out a way to re-stream Joost
Jul 15 16:41:54 <procto> (I have it, too)
Jul 15 16:41:57 <unique311> not too sure about joost..
Jul 15 16:42:07 <procto> basically, screencast
Jul 15 16:42:08 <famousjs> isnt there something comming out thats supposed to be better than joost?
Jul 15 16:42:17 <unique311> slow my notebook down when in use
Jul 15 16:42:19 <famousjs> from microsoft or something
Jul 15 16:42:22 <unique311> resource hog
Jul 15 16:42:24 <procto> there're many internet tv projects
Jul 15 16:42:24 <famousjs> i read about something i cant remember the name tho
Jul 15 16:42:33 <procto> unique311: yeah, because it's using your machine to stream to others, too
Jul 15 16:42:41 <unique311> i know
Jul 15 16:42:51 <procto> I run it on my notebook, too :>
Jul 15 16:43:08 <unique311> i like receving when it comes to piracy...
Jul 15 16:43:16 <unique311> sharing i don't like too much..
Jul 15 16:43:48 <famousjs> yeah
Jul 15 16:44:02 <famousjs> download: 30 gigs...upload: 1.5 gigs
Jul 15 16:44:02 <famousjs> lol
Jul 15 16:44:11 <unique311> yes
Jul 15 16:44:19 <famousjs> thats how i am too
Jul 15 16:44:29 <unique311> or use torrentflux and not have to worry about uploading your  bandwidth
Jul 15 16:44:40 <famousjs> i use azeurus
Jul 15 16:44:47 <famousjs> just havnt used anything else heh
Jul 15 16:45:00 <unique311> gave up on home clients
Jul 15 16:46:25 <famousjs> so is joost worth getting?
Jul 15 16:46:33 <unique311> not really
Jul 15 16:46:44 <famousjs> even if you are on an OC3 connection?
Jul 15 16:46:44 <famousjs> lol
Jul 15 16:46:50 <unique311> unless you have an amazing computer...
Jul 15 16:46:56 <unique311> well that too
Jul 15 16:47:18 <unique311> i have a descent broadband connection...
Jul 15 16:47:27 <unique311> and i was tapped....
Jul 15 16:47:38 <famousjs> do u need a good vid card for it?
Jul 15 16:48:04 <unique311> maybe procto can answer that one
Jul 15 16:48:07 <unique311> i have no idea
Jul 15 16:48:31 <unique311> saw that my computer had a bad reaction with it....took it off
Jul 15 16:48:55 <vertoo> Anyone on?
Jul 15 16:48:59 <famousjs> yea
Jul 15 16:50:36 <famousjs> dsl wouldnt be too great with joost i'm guessing
Jul 15 16:50:46 <famousjs> i have dsl where i am now...but at college is the oc3
Jul 15 16:53:08 <vertoo> joost sucks
Jul 15 16:53:15 <famousjs> ohh ok
Jul 15 16:53:15 <famousjs> haha
Jul 15 16:53:26 <vertoo> tv-links.co.uk
Jul 15 16:53:35 <vertoo> much better
Jul 15 16:53:54 <vertoo> right from the source itself
Jul 15 16:54:02 <famousjs> cool
Jul 15 16:55:17 <unique311> vertoo very nice link
Jul 15 16:55:22 <procto> famousjs: you need a decent one, since it uses opengl for the interface
Jul 15 16:55:33 <procto> famousjs: mostly you need a fast connection and a good CPU
Jul 15 16:56:00 <procto> I have a 10mbps cable connection
Jul 15 16:56:04 <unique311> biggest documentary listing i ever saw..
Jul 15 16:56:13 <procto> and a 1.4ghz penitum m CPU
Jul 15 16:56:24 <famousjs> ohh ok
Jul 15 16:56:27 <procto> and it plays smoothly
Jul 15 16:56:32 <procto> I'm using wireless though
Jul 15 16:56:33 <famousjs> i have the 3.2 pentium d
Jul 15 16:56:45 <procto> so there's some latency
Jul 15 16:56:50 <procto> and it's still smooth
Jul 15 16:56:57 <procto> I'm watching Max Headroom right now
Jul 15 17:00:28 <procto> joost isn't optimal, but it's mostly limited by available content, like all these media systems
Jul 15 17:03:03 <procto> it's really quite amusing to watch max headroom on joost :>
Jul 15 17:03:12 <procto> cause they pretty much use blipverts themselves
Jul 15 17:09:17 <famousjs> so..any other cool services out lately?
Jul 15 17:12:29 <famousjs> guess not heh
Jul 15 17:45:56 <famousjs> so..anyone hear about backtrack 3 commin out?
Jul 15 17:49:16 <alterego> Woo, getting there!
Jul 15 18:19:54 <vertoo> has anyone set up their home music library to stream like internet radio?
Jul 15 18:20:22 <vertoo> trying to do so on my mac
Jul 15 18:27:15 <rhsanborn> I've tried installing some python programs and keep getting an error about distutils.core missing. Any ideas?
Jul 15 18:27:44 <lmoura> rhsanborn, looks like you need the python-dev package
Jul 15 18:27:49 <lmoura> is it installed?
Jul 15 18:28:09 <rhsanborn> No, is there a python-dev package compiled for the 800?
Jul 15 18:28:23 <pupnik> !g python-dev maemo
Jul 15 18:28:26 <pupnik> bah
Jul 15 18:29:32 <lmoura> rhsanborn, http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/manual_installation.html
Jul 15 18:30:04 <rhsanborn> imoura, thanks. I'll go check that out
Jul 15 18:30:06 <lmoura> rhsanborn, sudo /usr/sbin/gainroot
Jul 15 18:30:19 <lmoura> rhsanborn, then apt-get install pytho2.5-dev
Jul 15 18:32:06 <rhsanborn> Imoura, running now, thanks man. I'm trying to get a sirius inet radio script working that requires some installs. Hence my problem
Jul 15 18:35:36 <alterego> zuh, you abouts?
Jul 15 18:52:23 <celesteh> hi.  is there tor for maemo?
Jul 15 19:08:33 <alterego> WOOOO!
Jul 15 19:10:03 <alterego> Finally _REAL_ progress ^_^
Jul 15 19:11:44 <alterego> I guess the biggest thing to overcome after I finish this bit is packaging Ruby+Ruby-Maemo
Jul 15 19:30:48 <rhsanborn> anyone know if there is an image manipulation program compiled yet?
Jul 15 19:31:35 <rhsanborn> Would be nice to plug in my sd card from my camera and do a batch resize of my pictures for upload to an online gallery
Jul 15 19:32:28 <vertoo> shipping a infranview client over would be prime
Jul 15 19:34:21 <rhsanborn> imagemagick would be nice, I'm just not a dev by any means
Jul 15 19:35:36 <pupnik> rhsanborn: what do you mean
Jul 15 19:35:44 <pupnik> vertoo - there are image viewers galore
Jul 15 19:36:09 <rhsanborn> pupnik: imageviewers that can resize pictures?
Jul 15 19:36:22 <pupnik> rhsanborn: you can try mtpaint at my site
Jul 15 19:36:25 <pupnik> needs work though
Jul 15 19:36:35 <pupnik> pupnik.de
Jul 15 19:37:37 <vertoo> infranview is the most useful as it batches
Jul 15 19:38:28 <rhsanborn> If I can ssh into my home pc (On the road for another couple months) I might try to run the compile of imagemagick on scratchbox. But I'm amateur at that kind of stuff at best
Jul 15 19:38:56 <pupnik> if batch conversion/processing is your thing then imagemagick is the swiss army knife
Jul 15 19:39:38 <rhsanborn> pupnik: it's the getting it on the n800 that is the problem :P
Jul 15 19:42:33 <vertoo> i-view is very low resource
Jul 15 19:42:41 <pupnik> imagemagick - Unmet build dependencies: libwmf-dev (>= 0.2.7-1) liblcms1-dev libexif-dev libjasper-dev graphviz (>= 2.8) gs-gp
Jul 15 19:42:52 <vertoo> i think it would be an  easy port
Jul 15 19:42:55 <pupnik> shouldn't be a big deal to pull that out
Jul 15 19:43:08 <pupnik> vertoo, irfanview is available for linux/gtk2?
Jul 15 19:44:24 <rhsanborn> I'm going to try and get to my desktop and just try a simple compile and see if its just a matter of getting the libraries and the program compiled
Jul 15 20:07:10 <ericz> anybody have openvpn working on a 770?
Jul 15 20:07:50 <pupnik> ttp://board.nokia770hacks.com/How_To/How_to_Install_OpenVPN_on_Nokia_770_OS2006
Jul 15 20:07:55 <pupnik> +h
Jul 15 20:08:15 <pupnik> http://www.rahkonen.org/openvpn.html
Jul 15 20:17:03 <famousjs> wait why would you put openvpn on your cell phone?
Jul 15 20:17:13 <famousjs> havnt been reading..sorry if i missed the reason
Jul 15 20:17:40 <jga23> how do I switch my scratchbox version of python to 2.5?
Jul 15 20:17:53 <pupnik> the n770 isn't a cell phone
Jul 15 20:19:19 <famousjs> ohh ok
Jul 15 20:21:21 <famousjs> i wanna see an OpenMoko
Jul 15 20:24:11 <pupnik> yeah if i had to buy a cellphone i'd look at the FIC Neo1973 for the openmoko
Jul 15 20:24:56 <pupnik> Epoc used to be beautifully sleek and simple.  Later becoming symbian.  But not symbian developers tell me it has gotten ugly :/
Jul 15 20:25:04 <pupnik> s/not/now/
Jul 15 20:25:05 <infobot> pupnik meant: Epoc used to be beautifully sleek and simple.  Later becoming symbian.  But now symbian developers tell me it has gotten ugly :/
Jul 15 20:35:30 <vertoo> can the n800 be a cell phone?
Jul 15 20:36:16 <pupnik> voip
Jul 15 20:36:21 <pupnik> skype
Jul 15 20:36:43 <vertoo> my service uses a sim card
Jul 15 20:37:04 <pupnik> it doesn't have a cellular receiver in it, if that's what you mean
Jul 15 20:37:39 <pupnik> but if you're connected to the internet, you can do calls on it
Jul 15 20:37:53 <alterego> I hear that.
Jul 15 20:39:15 <alterego> Hildon::Program is fully ruby-inated.
Jul 15 20:39:39 * alterego does a slam dunk motion.
Jul 15 20:49:51 <jga23> how do you install a python .egg on maemo?
Jul 15 20:51:56 <pupnik> <bad joke deleted>
Jul 15 21:00:15 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jul 15 21:08:08 <CountDown> How do I change the device name of the N800?  I can't find it anywhere.
Jul 15 21:17:43 <gomiam> CountDown: that should be available at the Control Panel
Jul 15 21:20:24 <CountDown> gomiam: I looked all around, but missed it... can you be more specific.
Jul 15 21:21:10 <gomiam> It looks like you can change it at the Bluetooh configuration option in the Control Panel
Jul 15 21:21:45 <gomiam> just on top of "Connectivity"
Jul 15 21:22:03 <CountDown> Thanks.  Strange place to put it.
Jul 15 21:22:13 <gomiam> not so strange, if you think about it.
Jul 15 21:22:29 <gomiam> Bluetooth is the only protocol that really needs the system to have a recognizable name
Jul 15 21:22:48 <gomiam> (in order to set links with other Bluetooth devices) :-)
Jul 15 21:23:16 <CountDown> Considering the wireless interface, file manager, etc use the device name as well, I'd think it would be under something more general, like About Device.
Jul 15 21:23:36 <gomiam> the WiFi interfaces uses the device name?
Jul 15 21:23:45 <gomiam> I thought it was always wlan0 :-)=
Jul 15 21:23:59 <gomiam> you are right about the file manager, though.
Jul 15 21:24:13 <CountDown> I should say the SSH server.
Jul 15 21:24:44 <gomiam> oh, you mean the N800 host name
Jul 15 21:24:55 <gomiam> yes, it should be somewhere else, then :-)
Jul 15 21:25:17 <CountDown> Thanks for the help!
Jul 15 21:25:18 <gomiam> Perhaps we should file a bug against that
Jul 15 21:25:21 <gomiam> you are welcome.
Jul 15 21:25:39 <CountDown> Where would a bug be filed?
Jul 15 21:26:04 <CountDown> Ah, bugs.maemo.org
Jul 15 21:37:30 <seattleweb> anyone home?
Jul 15 21:38:29 <seattleweb> anyone there...?
Jul 15 21:41:23 <zuh> seattleweb: I'm home, but not there
Jul 15 21:43:13 <seattleweb> right on...
Jul 15 21:43:54 <seattleweb> so has anyone out there had success in setting up an n800 to boot from an EXTERNAL SD/MMC?
Jul 15 21:43:56 <CountDown> gomiam: I just filed it as bug 1659.
Jul 15 21:46:34 <rwhitby> seattleweb: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/n800/n800-initial-setup.html
Jul 15 21:47:33 <seattleweb> yeah... i came across that last week...
Jul 15 21:48:03 <rwhitby> haven't tried it on the new firmware yet
Jul 15 21:48:26 <seattleweb> i'll give that a whirl instead of following the thread http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4053
Jul 15 21:48:44 <seattleweb> hmmm... i've got the new firmware.... i'll give it a try
Jul 15 21:50:01 <seattleweb> one thing I've noticed is that /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ is actually /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/
Jul 15 21:50:01 <_Monkey> Hmm.  No matches for that, seattleweb.
Jul 15 21:50:21 <seattleweb> matches for...?
Jul 15 22:06:57 <CountDown> I'm trying to install python package on my N800 that requires GCC to build.  Where can I find GCC?
Jul 15 22:07:46 <seattleweb> the maemo sdk i think is the only way
Jul 15 22:08:02 <CountDown> You mean through scratchbox?
Jul 15 22:08:09 <seattleweb> yup
Jul 15 22:08:34 <CountDown> Hmmm... I did this a year ago and I don't think I used scratchbox.  Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
Jul 15 22:09:36 <CountDown> Do I just copy over the files once they've compiled, or is there a more elegant way to do it?
Jul 15 22:11:21 <seattleweb> not entirely sure... just bought my n800 last week and havent had time yet to dive in 100% to scratchbox
Jul 15 22:12:19 <alterego> Why don't you use the prepackaged binaries?
Jul 15 22:14:55 <CountDown> alterego: I can't find the prepackaged binary.  I'm trying to install PyUSB and it needs to build against libusb and python, both of which I already have installed.
Jul 15 22:17:43 <alterego> Aha
Jul 15 22:17:52 <alterego> In which case you're going to need to use scratchbox and do it yourself.
Jul 15 22:18:04 <alterego> You should make some precompiled packages yourself too ;)
Jul 15 22:18:17 <alterego> But don't ask me how. I've not crossed that bridge yet ^_^
Jul 15 22:23:03 <Xark> Hello.  Does anybody know why there aren't native ports of binutils and gcc for the N800?  It seems to have more than enough speed to make them useful.
Jul 15 22:24:02 * Xark spent years working on Linux with a < 100Mhz CPU and 16MB or so.
Jul 15 22:24:14 <CountDown> Xark: I was just asking that myself.  Can we confirm that there is no GCC?
Jul 15 22:24:21 <seattleweb> FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 15 22:24:31 <Xark> Well, I have gcc working, but its not a great port.
Jul 15 22:24:39 <seattleweb> thanx rwhitby man.............
Jul 15 22:24:47 <seattleweb> I owe you a brew
Jul 15 22:25:13 <seattleweb> like a retard, I overlooked one important thing.... bootmenu.conf
Jul 15 22:25:19 <seattleweb> all good now
Jul 15 22:25:28 <CountDown> Xark: Is your GCC port available?
Jul 15 22:25:31 <Xark> CountDown: I just installed some SDK armel packages and it mostly works (occasional internal compiler errors when using -O1 or -O2).
Jul 15 22:25:53 <CountDown> Xark: Oh, which packages?
Jul 15 22:26:20 <Xark> CountDown: I started with some obsolete info on a forum.  If you install 3.2 libs then these instructions are OK...
Jul 15 22:26:32 <Xark> CountDown: Let me find the link...
Jul 15 22:26:48 <AdmFubar> quick question , how do i contact the maemo.or site maintainers? having a problem with the rss feed, keep getting the same few feed articles sent from one contributor.
Jul 15 22:27:27 <CountDown> AdmFubar: Perhaps submit a website bug at bugs.maemo.org
Jul 15 22:29:20 <Xark> CountDown: Look here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=51696#post51696
Jul 15 22:29:54 <CountDown> Xark: Thanks.
Jul 15 22:29:57 <AdmFubar> I'' give it a whirl...but was hoping for something a bit more direct... Thanks CD....
Jul 15 22:30:15 <Xark> CountDown: Now that I have an old gcc-3.4 (and g++) working I am trying to build a new "fresh" toolchain that will target armv6l.
Jul 15 22:30:41 <seattleweb> niiice... make is compilable thereafter?
Jul 15 22:30:43 <CountDown> AdmFubar: They're in Finland, that is direct.  :)
Jul 15 22:31:18 <Xark> CountDown: I am finding it challenging since there is little info on Maemo toolchain (everybody seems to use x86 cross compile with prebuilt compilers)
Jul 15 22:31:55 <CountDown> Xark: Yeah... I don't know why that is.  Seems like you'd want both.
Jul 15 22:32:36 <Xark> CountDown: Also it appears the N800 binaries aren't using all the features of the newer CPU (unless I am mistaken).
Jul 15 22:32:39 <rwhitby> seattleweb: I'll have a Coopers Pale Ale please.
Jul 15 22:33:16 <rwhitby> Xark: look in OpenEmbedded for a built-from-source toolchain for the n800
Jul 15 22:33:41 <seattleweb> Countdown: are the 3.2 libs in a repository?
Jul 15 22:33:57 <Xark> rwhitty: Cool, I will (but I have already extensively googled).
Jul 15 22:34:04 <seattleweb> rwhitby: done
Jul 15 22:34:27 <CountDown> seattleweb: No idea.
Jul 15 22:34:43 <seattleweb> i'll look around
Jul 15 22:35:02 <Xark> CountDown: If you try to follow that forum post, one he missed downloading a package and two like I mentioned check the 3.2 repository for libs (since using older libs causes issues).
Jul 15 22:35:31 <Xark> CountDown: aFTER A FEW TRIES i GOT ALL THE PACKAGES INSTALLING WITHOUT ANY CONFLICTS OR (SIGNIFICANT) TRICKERY.
Jul 15 22:35:43 <Xark> 
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Jul 15 22:35:51 <CountDown> Xark: Will do.  I might check out the OpenEmbedded site as well.  G'luck.
Jul 15 22:36:10 * Xark is using a crappy bluetooth keyboard with far too few keys. :-)
Jul 15 22:37:25 <rwhitby> Xark: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/nokia800.conf
Jul 15 22:37:35 * Xark also highly recommends moving the root filesystem to a MMC if you want to use N800 as a Linux box. (much faster and roomy).
Jul 15 22:37:42 <Xark> rwhitty: Awesome, thanks.
Jul 15 22:38:01 <rwhitby> dunno whether it is version compatible with the vendor libraries thouogh
Jul 15 22:38:19 <rwhitby> ask koen in #oe about it if you have questions
Jul 15 22:38:30 <rwhitby> (I've never used it myself)
Jul 15 22:39:01 <rwhitby> Xark: s/tt/tb/ in my nick
Jul 15 22:39:26 <Xark> rwhitby: Yeah, thats one of the issues I am encountering. I can build a new binutils, but its not happy with some libs (ld.do-linux IIRC).
Jul 15 22:40:39 <Xark> rwhitby: Sorry, N800 isn't the ideal IRC platform (with crappy keyboard and squinting eyes).
Jul 15 22:40:54 <rwhitby> Xark: np - I know the feeling.
Jul 15 22:41:07 <rwhitby> you can to tab completion on nicks in x-chat though
Jul 15 22:41:11 <rwhitby> s/to/do/
Jul 15 22:41:11 <infobot> rwhitby meant: you can do tab completion on nicks in x-chat though
Jul 15 22:41:16 * Xark goes to check the link...
Jul 15 22:42:03 <Xark> rwhitby: I am trying sirc (so I can screen in with ssh).  Xchat is decent though...
Jul 15 22:42:22 * Xark moves over to his laptop and ssh...
Jul 15 22:47:40 <Xark> rwhitby: Hmm, so how does one use a .conf file (I am new with Debian style Linux)?  Does openembedded have prebuilt packages in their repository?
Jul 15 22:48:06 <CountDown> Xark: I have no idea.  I was wondering that myself.
Jul 15 22:48:57 <rwhitby> Xark: you will need to install and build openembedded.  that is a steep learning curve in itself.  See www.openembedded.org - if you are not comfortable to compiling distributions from source and using cross compilers, then best to try another avenue.  There are no prebuilt packages for n800 as far as I know.
Jul 15 22:49:27 <Xark> CountDown: Just thought I would ask first before I start digging around.  I would be quite happy with just a clue about what binutils options the N800 requires.
Jul 15 22:49:42 <Xark> rwhitby: OK.
Jul 15 22:52:12 <Xark> So it appears that OpenEmbedded is another scratchbox-y kind of thing.
Jul 15 22:53:37 <rwhitby> Xark: yep, but even more complicated for the first time user
Jul 15 22:54:01 <rwhitby> (due to it's versatility and range of different platforms that it builds for)
Jul 15 22:54:22 <rwhitby> allow at least a month before you would feel comfortable with it
Jul 15 22:54:29 <seattleweb> sounds like fun
Jul 15 22:54:42 <rwhitby> (and that's for an experienced developer)
Jul 15 22:55:05 <Xark> rwhitby: I see.  Still thats much for the link.  At least I can probably see how they are building the toolchain (which is my current issue - as I have a compiler suitable for a bootstrap).
Jul 15 22:55:17 <Xark> rwhitby: Er, thanks much...
Jul 15 22:55:35 <rwhitby> Xark: make use of the people in #oe - they know lots about what toolchains are used for which devices
Jul 15 22:55:47 <seattleweb> btw... n800 running noticable faster from sd boot partition
Jul 15 23:22:33 <eugene> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ sounds interesting
Jul 15 23:24:39 <alterego> Interesting ..
Jul 15 23:25:38 <alterego> My SDK isn't theming applications correctly. Anyone heard of this before?
Jul 15 23:30:02 <alterego> This is annoying. I bet my Ruby bindings actually work. I just can't test them ^_^
Jul 15 23:30:55 <alterego> Maybe I should re-install scratchbox or someting.
Jul 15 23:33:33 <alterego> Maybe a restart will fix it :S
Jul 15 23:45:34 <alterego> Okay, I was being a giant idiot and forgot 'run-standalone.sh' ^_^
Jul 15 23:45:39 <alterego> Ruby-Maemo works!!!
Jul 15 23:46:28 <alterego> I'm so happy I could cry.
Jul 15 23:49:33 <alterego> Bed time :)
Jul 16 00:12:17 <CountDown> Is there a way to enable USB host mode on the N800 without reflashing?
Jul 16 00:14:22 <Xark> CountDown: Hmm, I read a post from a Nokia employee that claimed that the hardware didn't support USB OTG (i.e., host mode).  Where did you read its possible (even with a reflash)? :)
Jul 16 00:15:25 <CountDown> The N800 hardware doesn't support USB host mode?
Jul 16 00:16:19 <CountDown> Xark, where did you see this?
Jul 16 00:16:30 <Xark> CountDown: Right here -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/14683#14683
Jul 16 00:18:28 <Xark> Its from January, so perhaps its mistaken, but I was just googling and found a few places that mentioned that it didn't work on N800 (for example one project is sticking with N770 because of that [among other reasons]).
Jul 16 00:18:50 <CountDown> Xark: I think that's referring to the fact that the N800 doesn't suppy power to the USB port.  Neither does the 770, but I got it working on that.
Jul 16 00:19:03 <CountDown> Hmmm, that might be bad news for me if it's true.
Jul 16 00:21:15 <Xark> CountDown: Hmm, looking around a bit more this sounds mildly promising, so perhaps you are correct. -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/21371
Jul 16 00:23:39 <CountDown> Xark: Well, that was my excitement for the day.  Thanks.  :)
Jul 16 00:25:27 <Xark> CountDown: Hehe.  I am OK for the moment with a 4GB internal MMC with the root system moved to it on ext2 (about 3GB free with a ton of crap downloaded).  Not amazed at SDHC class 4 speed, but its better than the old 1GB card I was using (and way zippier than compressed jffs on flash).
Jul 16 00:27:21 <Wiredless> whats a used 770 worth this week
Jul 16 00:27:32 <Xark> CountDown: If you haven't seen this, I recommend it (and it was painless even though  it did reflash and give me a nice boot menu with USB HD option). -> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/
Jul 16 00:28:17 <CountDown> Xark: Thanks... speed has been an issue, so I might just do with the MMC boot.
Jul 16 00:28:45 <Xark> CountDown: It bots about 4x faster now (the little blue progress bar). :-)
Jul 16 00:28:53 <Xark> ..boots
Jul 16 00:29:55 <CountDown> Xark: Wow, not bad.  Is the same speed-up noticeable when running programs?
Jul 16 00:30:28 <Xark> CountDown: Yes, launching web etc. is noticeably faster.
Jul 16 00:31:28 <Xark> CountDown: Its also nice because you can "hack around" on a copy of the system and always choose to boot the default system if "something goes bad" (I notice N800 is easy to make "not boot" if you mess around).
Jul 16 00:32:09 <CountDown> By the way, "sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-usb-host-mode" is all that's needed to put the N800 into USB host mode.  No reflash required.
Jul 16 00:32:58 <CountDown> Xark: What's the maximum SD memory size these days?  8GB?
Jul 16 00:33:00 <Xark> CountDown: Hmm, well isn't that some kind of reflash? :)  Similar to the MMC boot procedure its a "friendly" reflash where you don't have to reinstall stuff.
Jul 16 00:33:23 <Xark> CountDown: Yes, 8GB (but only had 4GB at local best buy so I went with that for $60).
Jul 16 00:33:32 <CountDown> Xark: True.  I guess just a couple of bytes were flashed.
Jul 16 00:34:07 <CountDown> Xark: You're booting of the internal SD card?
Jul 16 00:34:26 <Xark> CountDown: The MMC wiki howto installs a little boot menu with "flash boot" mmc boot and USB boot options (as well as a "real poweroff").
Jul 16 00:35:07 <Xark> (Actually I get a choice of the partition on the MMC to boot, but I always choose the 2nd where I have ext2 filesystem with a clone+stuff of the system).
Jul 16 00:35:17 <Xark> CountDown: Yes.
Jul 16 00:36:01 <Xark> CountDown: Its faster (I think) because SDHC 4GB may be faster but mostly because ext2 without compression is much faster than jffs with everything compressed.
Jul 16 00:36:48 <CountDown> Ah, that's probably it.
Jul 16 00:38:06 <Xark> CountDown: its nice to have a large "home" too (I was running out of space from installing and compiling so many apps). :)
Jul 16 00:39:38 <Xark> What is the internal built-in flash size?  Something like 128 or 256MB I think.
Jul 16 00:46:07 <Xark> I should see how hard it is to make a .deb and a .install.  Some of the programs are quite handy and other people might enjoy them (like lighttpd with openssl support for a tiny yet easy to use and "full-featured" web server).
Jul 16 00:47:05 * Xark thinks it would be quite difficult without a "real" Linux box (I am missing a bunch of "dpkg" utilities on the N800).
Jul 16 00:48:35 <Radar> has there been a lack of any new applications and updates since the new firmware?
Jul 16 00:48:50 <Radar> or is it just me?
Jul 16 00:49:08 <Xark> Radar: Perhaps everybody is just re-installing and setting up their devices. :)
Jul 16 00:49:55 <Radar> there was quite enough of that
Jul 16 00:50:30 <Radar> almost back to where I was before the update, except the themes
Jul 16 00:51:09 <Xark> Radar: Yeah.  Hopefully eventually they will get a more friendly "update" procedure.
Jul 16 00:51:34 <Radar> they better
Jul 16 00:51:38 <Xark> Took me a few days, but I needed the do-over to clean up a few messes I made learning (and booting off the MMC is nice).
Jul 16 00:52:25 <Radar> I had a very broken app install messing up my app manager
Jul 16 00:53:15 <Xark> Radar: Yep, thats a hazard.  Can be difficult to clean up (but I have learned a lot about apt-get "trickery").
Jul 16 00:54:01 <Xark> I am now much more paranoid about what repositories I let get added (they can bite you in the future). :)
Jul 16 00:54:09 <Radar> Had to use an obscure dpkg command in terminal to get rid of it
Jul 16 00:54:51 <Xark> Radar: Yep, sounds like what I had to do "--force-shut-the-hell-up-and-fix-it" or somesuch. :)
Jul 16 00:54:53 <Radar> even apt-get was complaining
Jul 16 00:55:09 <Radar> yep, that's the one, heh
Jul 16 00:55:33 <jonnylamb> Using "apt-get update" tells you simply where the problem repo is :)
Jul 16 00:56:20 <Radar> seems like 99% of the time it's a maemo.org repo
Jul 16 00:56:21 <Xark> Busybox is always giving me headaches as it conflicts with a bunch of things (and its tiny versions don't always cut it).
Jul 16 00:57:06 <Xark> I have (mostly) made peace by compiling "real" versions of stuff into /usr/local.
Jul 16 00:58:31 <jonnylamb> Well one can easily submit a patch to the Application Manager maintainers.
Jul 16 00:58:41 <jonnylamb> I would, but I suck at Gtk+.
Jul 16 00:59:13 <jonnylamb> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/hildon-app-mgr/
Jul 16 01:00:04 <Radar> I don't think it's the app mgr, I think it's maemo.org, heh
Jul 16 01:01:02 <Xark> Radar: Agreed, although app manager could be a smarter and (at least) have better error messages/handling.
Jul 16 01:01:13 <jonnylamb> Ah, sorry. What I mean is better notifications on what repository is causing the issues.
Jul 16 01:01:20 <Xark> "Something bad happened"
Jul 16 01:01:22 <jonnylamb> After all, APT does actually output the error messages.
Jul 16 01:01:49 <jonnylamb> As one who sorts out APT repositories myself, I cringe when I look at the Maemo one :$
Jul 16 01:02:18 <Radar> well, yeah, if it fails on a repo refresh it should keep going and not quit
Jul 16 01:03:03 <jonnylamb> It's interesting how it says the last successful list is being used. While with APT, that repository and its contents are simply omitted..
Jul 16 01:03:14 <Radar> hate then, then search to disable the one currently down
Jul 16 01:03:49 <Radar> yeah, that's what it should do
Jul 16 01:04:20 <jonnylamb> Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. I think disabling a repository should be something a user specifically asks for.
Jul 16 01:05:09 <jonnylamb> I think the current `apt-get update` behaviour is good, but hildon-app-mgr is just not verbose enough.
Jul 16 01:05:13 <Radar> no, not disable it, just skip it on that refresh
Jul 16 01:05:39 * jonnylamb wonders whether there are any app-mgr devs here at GUADEC..
Jul 16 01:07:03 <Radar> I keep looking for a new app, but I can't think of anything I want except a better browser and java
Jul 16 01:07:17 <Radar> that's all, heh
Jul 16 01:07:40 <jonnylamb> Java? Pardon? On an embedded device.
Jul 16 01:08:13 <jonnylamb> Such languages as Java and C# (mono) do not go with these kind of devices (maemo, moko)
Jul 16 01:08:35 <Radar> my cell has java! (sorta, j2me)
Jul 16 01:08:50 <jonnylamb> j2me != Java.
Jul 16 01:09:23 <Radar> but it has a j!
Jul 16 01:11:57 <jonnylamb> Mmm.
Jul 16 01:15:12 * Xark wishes he could get NPR radio streams to work on the N800 (seems a shame, since it does have realaudio).
Jul 16 01:18:31 * solmumaha wishes he was someone just a little more funky
Jul 16 01:19:41 <solmumaha> couldn't help it, mr jones was playing :)
Jul 16 01:23:44 <Radar> I'd like to find a good meadia streaming solution too
Jul 16 01:24:00 <Radar> all my music is on my server in itunes
Jul 16 01:24:22 <jonnylamb> Downgrade the version of iTunes, and use Canola with DAAP.
Jul 16 01:27:01 <Radar> what about that mediastreamer app?
Jul 16 01:30:35 <jonnylamb> That's a little flaky IMHO. However, it does do UPnP.
Jul 16 01:32:20 <undefined> is anybody else getting 404s from repository.maemo.org?
Jul 16 01:32:25 <Radar> it'd be nice to have something universal, to use on non-IT OS's too
Jul 16 01:32:51 <undefined> directory listings show files, but those files generate 404s
Jul 16 01:33:17 <undefined> i've never seen apache do that (almost like a reverse proxy problem)
Jul 16 01:33:23 <Radar> not surprising
Jul 16 01:33:46 <undefined> Radar: so this is normal?
Jul 16 01:39:15 <jonnylamb> undefined: 404s is rather normal, but I'm not getting them from repository.m.o
Jul 16 01:39:20 <jonnylamb> e.g. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/
Jul 16 01:40:33 <undefined> jonnylamb:http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/n/ncurses/ lists several files
Jul 16 01:41:01 <undefined> jonnylamb: but http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/n/ncurses/ncurses-base_5.4-3_all.deb, for example, produces a 404
Jul 16 01:41:39 <undefined> so, directory listings work, but files don't
Jul 16 01:41:54 <jonnylamb> Okay jep, that's a Problem with a capital P, I'd say.
Jul 16 01:42:21 <undefined> how is apache generating directory listings based off of files that don't exist?
Jul 16 01:42:54 <jonnylamb> Well, I expect they do /actually/ exist.
Jul 16 01:43:24 <undefined> it's like a caching problem
Jul 16 01:43:45 <jonnylamb> Is it just ncurses that you find fault with?
Jul 16 01:44:22 <undefined> jonnylamb: nope, try http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/n/netbase/
Jul 16 01:44:33 <undefined> jonnylamb: and http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/n/netbase/netbase_5.00osso-3_all.deb
Jul 16 01:45:10 <undefined> jonnylamb: that's just a random sample i also tried (but, yes, i'm needing/wanting ncurses-base)
Jul 16 01:45:58 <Radar> ncurses-bin, tje bane of my existance
Jul 16 01:46:09 <Radar> that was the broken app
Jul 16 01:46:39 <Xark> Yep, I think that one caused me grief too...
Jul 16 01:47:01 <Radar> don't even know what it is!
Jul 16 01:47:08 <jonnylamb> ncurses?
Jul 16 01:47:36 <Radar> wish I could hide non-installed apps in the app mgr
Jul 16 01:47:50 <Xark> Radar: Ancestor of an ancient terminal handling library (to move the cursor around on serial terminals).
Jul 16 01:47:53 <Radar> like all the canola language files
Jul 16 01:49:19 <Xark> Does anybody know if its "bad" to leave the charger in the N800 all the time (like will it degrade the battery)?
Jul 16 01:50:14 <Radar> I think I remember hearing that
Jul 16 01:50:22 <CountDown> Oops.  Looks like I was a bit too eager to remove my /scratchbox directory.  Seems that /scratchbox/dev can't be removed because "Device or resource busy".  Help?
Jul 16 01:50:45 <CountDown> Xark: Lithium Ion batteries don't like that.
Jul 16 01:52:05 <Xark> COuntDown: Right, but sometimes the chargers are "smart" and can deal with it.  I wonder if I can remove the batter and just run with main power...
Jul 16 01:53:18 <CountDown> Xark: Even so, most charges will start recharging the battery after it droops a bit, even though it's best to wait for the battery to completely discharge.
Jul 16 01:55:50 <Radar> I thought the fully discharge thing was no longer true, and actually harms newer batteries?
Jul 16 01:59:16 <Xark> Radar: I think LI doesn't like to go to zero, but likes to go to 30% or something like that.
Jul 16 01:59:39 <Radar> sounds right
Jul 16 02:02:28 <Xark> I'll just run on battery for a while (the N800 is mostly playing internet radio currently).  I don't want to remove the battery and spoil my N800's uptime. :-)
Jul 16 02:04:18 <Radar> the firmware update broke my uptime many times over
Jul 16 02:05:48 <CountDown> I'll have to brush up on my battery trivia.
Jul 16 02:05:58 <CountDown> Anyone know how to remove a scratchbox installation?
Jul 16 02:06:52 <Xark> CountDown: Nope, but perhaps a utility like "lsof" might help you find what process has a hold on /dev.
Jul 16 02:10:50 <undefined> okay, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/mistral/free/n/ncurses/ncurses-base_5.4-3_all.deb works, but http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/n/ncurses/ncurses-base_5.4-3_all.deb doesn't
Jul 16 02:10:57 <undefined> though they should be the same
Jul 16 02:11:19 <jonnylamb> Well sounds like it might be a symlink issue..
Jul 16 02:11:24 <undefined> as both mistral and maemo2.0 have the same time-date stamp
Jul 16 02:12:07 <undefined> time to go edit my repository entries
Jul 16 02:13:56 <jonnylamb> Radar: Looking through the source of hildon-app-mgr, it looks as if the "not enough information" problem might have been fixed.. Well, I can't guarantee it's fixed, but it's certainly been changed.
Jul 16 02:14:10 <Radar> heh
Jul 16 02:14:40 <jonnylamb> I'm probably going to build SVN Hildon pretty soon when I get back from GUADEC.. I'll be able to see then, I suppose.
Jul 16 02:31:35 <undefined> grrr... the Packages files for mistral point to maemo2.0, which is producing 404s when downloading files, so changing "maemo2.0" to "mistral" doesn't help
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