**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 18 02:59:59 2007 Jul 18 03:01:50 we need a pop-up keyboard solution for non-hildon apps Jul 18 03:05:42 i have reverted to a whiner Jul 18 03:07:30 whining is good.... Jul 18 03:07:38 good for the health Jul 18 03:07:50 heh hi unique311 Jul 18 03:08:40 i gave rox a shot, and when back to default real quick... Jul 18 03:08:59 did you try the virtual keyboard? Jul 18 03:09:05 no Jul 18 03:09:20 i learned of the virtual keyboard after removing it.. Jul 18 03:09:34 i removed it because i couldn't type.... Jul 18 03:09:35 lol Jul 18 03:10:17 how do you invoke the vkbd? Jul 18 03:12:28 Hey guys, has anyone got the Bloglines 770 .deb package file? Unfortunately the site is dead Jul 18 03:22:19 WHAT'S THAT FOR Jul 18 03:22:29 sorry Jul 18 03:22:36 morning AD-N770 Jul 18 03:22:45 mornig Jul 18 03:22:57 port graphical tome! :P Jul 18 03:22:58 earlier as usual :) Jul 18 03:23:06 yeah Jul 18 03:26:32 I'm going to try http://moblin.org soon Jul 18 03:26:46 I expect port nethack on it too Jul 18 03:27:11 when are the MID devices coming out? Jul 18 03:28:01 by now on a samsung UMPC Jul 18 03:28:56 does intel have any mobile CPUs/chipsets that compare with OMAP for performance and power drain? Jul 18 03:29:31 I don't belive it, they sold xcale to marvel Jul 18 03:30:01 and they plans are based on x86 mobile Jul 18 03:30:09 lol the intel mobile site says nothing about watts Jul 18 03:31:14 i wish x86 would die Jul 18 03:31:39 anyone know of a resource for getting true kiosk mode from an N770 or N800? I want it to boot to a browser and not let users do anything else but stay on one website. Jul 18 03:32:03 PPC FTW Jul 18 03:33:03 well there's a 1.4ghz pentium M LV738 that sucks only 10w Jul 18 03:33:22 I'm happier when I write ARM assembly than when I write x86 assembly Jul 18 03:35:35 "TI OMAP beats Intel XScale in tests" “Let me tell you, the OMAP processor cleaned Intel’s clock, finishing the test in less than one-third the time.” Jul 18 03:35:58 Still thats spin from the TI camp Jul 18 03:38:16 xscale was based on ARM5 and current TI devices are ARM6, the new set of instructions for parallel calculations are nice Jul 18 03:38:22 "The great thing about the ARM architecture is that the more I look at a piece of code, the more ways I find to optimize it. The conditional execution, barrel shifter and optional setting of the processor flags create many opportunities for optimization." Jul 18 03:39:33 i love the OMAP 1710's low standby power Jul 18 03:41:42 I prefer the cpu on the N800 but for a regular use I prefer my old n770 cover and soft buttons Jul 18 03:42:00 yeah 770 is a tank Jul 18 03:51:22 hahaha someone selling a Psion 5mx pro for 280 euro on ebay Jul 18 04:47:57 hmm 3d shutter glasses are now down to about 20 euro Jul 18 05:52:36 hrm Jul 18 05:52:46 is there some magic way to get people not to say "i confirm this bug" Jul 18 05:52:53 i really don't need i confirm comments Jul 18 05:53:49 hello x-fade? Jul 18 06:17:10 no one home, huh? Jul 18 06:17:16 I am Jul 18 06:17:39 sitting here all bored and what not texting people and on voip watching my irc rooms lol Jul 18 06:19:04 okeey Jul 18 06:24:24 * pupnik has lots of work for bored people Jul 18 06:29:57 lo Jul 18 06:30:24 hi Jul 18 06:30:25 <_Monkey> what's up, pupnik Jul 18 06:30:30 hi Jul 18 06:34:37 hello Jul 18 06:34:38 <_Monkey> hi, pupnik Jul 18 06:37:15 goodbye Jul 18 06:37:35 hi _Monkey Jul 18 06:37:45 hello Jul 18 06:37:45 <_Monkey> hola, pupnik Jul 18 06:38:08 timeless: pong Jul 18 06:54:04 gah. my pentium m doesnt like vmware... Jul 18 06:56:44 #Fedora Jul 18 07:01:44 hi, I got a question - is there a os image that can be put directly onto a MMC card without having to copy it from internal flash? Jul 18 07:08:01 can I load a complete image with the flasher? or only a kernel Jul 18 07:11:28 good morning maemo Jul 18 07:11:44 blkhawk[work]: yes complete image Jul 18 07:11:48 hi guardian Jul 18 07:15:57 pupnik: got details? Jul 18 07:16:24 i need to tet an image before i do anything - this here is not a normal n770 Jul 18 07:20:01 flash howto Jul 18 07:20:17 !g flash howto Jul 18 07:20:27 !google flash+howto+maemo+n770 Jul 18 07:21:02 shoot me. Jul 18 07:22:40 * blkhawk[work] shoots Monkulus Jul 18 07:22:48 thank you Jul 18 07:22:54 pupnik: i cannot flash it Jul 18 07:23:13 stupid vm image needs pae; my p-m has none Jul 18 07:23:24 not without testing the image first Jul 18 07:24:38 anyone know if there is an alternative maemo vm image? Jul 18 07:25:52 * Monkulus shoots /me Jul 18 07:27:00 no idea Jul 18 07:27:22 I am looking for a image to directly put on a MM card myself Jul 18 07:30:31 Monkulus: there is the same but qemu based Jul 18 07:30:57 doesnt qemu need pae too? Jul 18 07:31:14 i thought so, but i guess off to google Jul 18 07:32:14 haha. keesj: Jul 18 07:32:31 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-06-28.log.html Jul 18 07:32:56 gwak__ my Pentium M chip does not have this feature i guess / Jul 18 07:32:56 KaylaKaze a VMWare image is a virtual machine / Jul 18 07:32:56 keesj qemu does not need that Jul 18 07:33:12 guess not the first time this has come up Jul 18 07:43:07 i run vmware on a p3 Jul 18 07:46:15 p3 has pae Jul 18 07:47:11 400mhz fsb pentium Ms dont Jul 18 07:48:30 ok - any idea where the experimental kernels are downloadable? Jul 18 07:48:32 PAE is the second method supported to access memory above 4 GB; this method has been widely implemented. PAE maps up to 64 GB of physical memory into a 32-bit (4 GB) virtual address space using either 4-KB or 2-MB pages Jul 18 07:48:40 I want to try to boot a kernel over USB Jul 18 07:48:56 guess what i have :-/ Jul 18 07:48:56 hmm.. this is interesting! I thought those pentium Ms were more recent than p3s and should have all the good stuff Jul 18 07:49:19 they are more recent, but they don't need PAE Jul 18 07:49:28 the M stands for Mobile Jul 18 07:49:36 they need to draw less power, not have more features Jul 18 07:49:50 ah. well they are much preferable over the PIV-Mobiles! Jul 18 07:50:22 Hey, does anyone know how to make a gstreamer that handles wma? Jul 18 07:55:43 i need the Linux Nokia770 + IPv6 + Ext2 + MMC 2GB + MMCPlus52Mhz support Kernel Jul 18 07:55:55 its missing in the garage Jul 18 07:56:05 anone got a downloadlink for me please? Jul 18 07:56:44 :( Jul 18 07:57:16 dang Jul 18 07:57:28 i probably have an old download of it Jul 18 07:57:36 I feel like stuck in mud - no going forward and no back Jul 18 07:58:39 http://armin-warda.de/os2006-linux-2.6.16+ipv6+ext2+mmc2gb-zImage Jul 18 07:58:44 did you see that? Jul 18 07:58:50 no Jul 18 07:59:00 does it have the speedup too? Jul 18 07:59:08 a doesn't matter Jul 18 07:59:08 hmm Jul 18 07:59:17 i just need to see if it will boot Jul 18 07:59:19 http://armin-warda.de/os2006-linux-2.6.16+ipv6+ext2+mmc2gb+mmcplus52Mhz-zImage Jul 18 07:59:42 http://armin-warda.de/os2006-linux-2.6.16-39-1+ipv6+ext2+mmcplus52Mhz-zImage Jul 18 07:59:45 many thanks - what is the source Jul 18 07:59:59 http://fanoush.webpark.cz/maemo/#mmcplus Jul 18 08:00:06 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 Jul 18 08:01:00 thank you - i was browsing the other repository Jul 18 08:01:19 np - i have yet to try this - Jul 18 08:01:27 do you know if it2007he uses mmcplus52mhz? Jul 18 08:03:24 nope - sorry Jul 18 08:09:22 ok - this doesn't boot Jul 18 08:09:40 not too surprising since it not a normal n770 Jul 18 08:14:56 what is the wma sink on the device (n800)? Jul 18 08:17:20 is there a way to list gstreamer elements? Jul 18 08:18:33 gst-inspect usually, but I'm not sure that command is on the device Jul 18 08:21:30 blkhawk[work]: what do you mean 'not a normal n770'? Jul 18 08:36:22 hmm koen works on angstrom Jul 18 08:39:35 looks like angstrom gave up on the Psion Netbook Pro. Too bad.. 128MB RAM, 400mhz Xscale, 800x600 touchscreen, great battery life and keyboard. Cheap on ebay now Jul 18 08:44:51 Morning, all Jul 18 08:44:55 morning Jul 18 08:45:14 pupnik: a decent Linux for my non-Pro netBook would be fantastic :-/ Jul 18 08:45:41 I got it: fluasfdemux ! fluwmadec ! dsppcmsink Jul 18 08:47:47 good morning Jul 18 08:48:22 konttori: are you decoding WMA files on gstreamer ? Jul 18 08:48:41 yeah. added wma support to ukmp Jul 18 08:48:48 hi channel -- anoying n00b here Jul 18 08:49:26 good job on the media player Jul 18 08:49:55 i've just got this wonderful n770 & am unable to Refresh the Package list in the Application manager Jul 18 08:50:06 i just get an error (Internet connection is ok) Jul 18 08:50:08 AD-N770: thanks! Jul 18 08:50:16 ideas? / Help? Jul 18 08:50:34 I've just got the 2 standard Repositories listed Jul 18 08:50:43 I have now same level of support for wma files that I have for ogg files. AAC files should also be supported now, but I haven't tested them yet. Jul 18 08:51:05 hyph-n: disable one of them at a time and try again Jul 18 08:51:40 konttori: I expect that in the future playbin will work properly, then you'll be able to use just playbin uri= Jul 18 08:52:06 and gstreamer magic will select the required elements for the media Jul 18 08:52:12 hyph-n: check the menu Tools > Log in the app manager - that will tell you which repository is failing to update Jul 18 08:52:21 hyph-n: then you can temporarily disable it. Jul 18 08:52:47 jaffa: I have -- it don't even work if i only have the nokia certified one enabled! Jul 18 08:52:50 Jaffa: i was running linux on my netbook for a few months... Worked fine Jul 18 08:52:56 .deb packages happyland Jul 18 08:53:10 The dstn display stinks though Jul 18 08:53:43 pupnik: apart from the lack of a standby mode and the general state of ropeyness. A Hildon desktop port would be nice :-) Jul 18 08:54:05 hyph-n: do web pages work correctly? Perhaps it's a proxy issue? Jul 18 08:54:23 jaffa: yes Jul 18 08:54:36 hyph-n: what error message does the log show? Jul 18 08:54:40 lmao - people selling a regular netbook for 479 euro on ebay Jul 18 08:55:11 jaffa: hang on.. i'll save the log... Jul 18 08:55:17 AD-N770: sounds really great! Would be so much easier that way Jul 18 08:59:27 jaffa: the log: Jul 18 08:59:29 osso-application-installer 4.22.1, UI version 1 Jul 18 08:59:29 E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/mistral/Release.gpg Could not connect to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out Jul 18 09:00:10 hyph-n: can you open http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ in your browser? Jul 18 09:00:20 jaffa: just about to try... Jul 18 09:00:27 :) Jul 18 09:01:10 lo koen Jul 18 09:01:51 hey Jaffa Jul 18 09:01:58 anyone knows hildon-im-protocol here ? Jul 18 09:02:15 * koen wonders why 3 different people emailed about netbook (pro) and linux the past week Jul 18 09:02:47 jaffa: mmmm... i can from this laptop, but not from the N770 - which i guess it the problem... Jul 18 09:03:24 hyph-n: it looks like a DNS issue since it says "1.0.0.0" in the log Jul 18 09:04:31 jaffa: yeah, but i'm not sure why i can connect using my laptop using the same wifi connection -- i also have the same problem from another AP\ Jul 18 09:07:06 oh cool, i found the netbook pro linux distro. almost no chat about it though. http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/netbook-pro/20070709/ Jul 18 09:07:51 jaffa: doing a traceroute (on my mac), it says that catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com has multiple IP address... Jul 18 09:08:15 it does Jul 18 09:08:17 it's hosted by akamai Jul 18 09:08:50 any of those IPs should work Jul 18 09:08:55 as long as it's not 1.0.0.0 ;) Jul 18 09:11:10 mgedmin: :-) yeah, but why is my N770 resolving it to 1.0.0.0 ? - or failing to resolve it at all? Jul 18 09:11:43 i've even reflashed it all & try from scratch - same problem... Jul 18 09:14:36 are there any diags / checks i can run on the unit? Jul 18 09:17:21 it's not necessarily your unit's fault Jul 18 09:17:28 but I've no idea why dns resolution might give you strange and wrong IPs Jul 18 09:17:50 mgedmin: mmmm ... :-( Jul 18 09:18:45 mgedmin: it's strange that i've had this problem in to different locations using different DNS servers... Jul 18 09:28:03 hi koen, what is operational status of OE on Netbook Pro? Jul 18 09:29:46 pupnik: you can build kernels and software, but not run it because the checksum add tool is closed Jul 18 09:29:50 just installed X Terminal - no ping or trace route...?! Jul 18 09:30:18 pupnik: I can forward the mail from the dude working on the checksum tool Jul 18 09:31:15 koen - i don't have a NB pro, just watching an ebay auction Jul 18 09:31:22 has anyone else had a problem with DNS resolution to http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ Jul 18 09:32:02 i don't think i could help with the kernel level work :( Nice to see that there's still some interest. Jul 18 09:32:19 koen: how do you think the 400mhz xscale compares to omap 1710 or 2420? Jul 18 09:33:08 about the same as the 1710 Jul 18 09:33:13 slower memory bus Jul 18 09:34:52 ok. hehe pulster.de is selling a new netbook for 899 euro and a new netbook pro for 849 euro :P Jul 18 09:45:38 Hallo allerseits. Hat jemand Lust mir zu helfen, einen SQLite Server auf dem Mokia N800 zu installieren? Jul 18 09:46:04 <`0660> hallo Jul 18 09:51:40 Djude: Eikhn se lydy jostain maemo.orgista? Jul 18 09:54:35 Djude, sqlite libs are in there by default and sqlite is standalone, no server Jul 18 09:55:12 hey - solved the problem... bizzaere Jul 18 09:55:32 just added the FBReader repository to it & now everything works?! Jul 18 09:55:49 oh well... at least it's working now - thanks for the help Jul 18 10:02:43 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Jul 18 10:02:44 libc6-dev: Conflicts: libdb1-dev but 1.85.4-osso7 is to be installed Jul 18 10:02:44 E: Broken packages Jul 18 10:03:12 does anyone know what that means? Jul 18 10:05:33 db48x: i'm about to head to lunch Jul 18 10:05:52 basically libc6-dev claims to conflict w/ libdb1-dev Jul 18 10:05:59 libdb1-dev is pending installation Jul 18 10:06:10 in debian land, generally speaking you can't install conflicting packages Jul 18 10:06:12 hmm, ok Jul 18 10:06:26 conflict resolution is um, "interesting" Jul 18 10:06:31 heh Jul 18 10:06:34 you can try to find a non conflicting pair Jul 18 10:06:36 or hack things Jul 18 10:06:50 did you see my page explaining how to install microb on the older n800 os release? Jul 18 10:07:01 by conflict do they generally mean they try to install different versions of the same files? Jul 18 10:07:02 no, I didn't Jul 18 10:07:06 http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 Jul 18 10:07:21 incompatible possibly related files Jul 18 10:07:32 not necessarily ever actually overwriting the same files Jul 18 10:08:03 imagine /usr/bin/nano claimed to conflict w/ /usr/bin/pico Jul 18 10:08:15 even if nano didn't actually include a file named /usr/bin/pico Jul 18 10:08:28 but just because it didn't want you to keep that old "icky" pico package Jul 18 10:08:52 nice Jul 18 10:08:52 or flash9 could claim to conflict with flash7 Jul 18 10:09:02 even though the two packages don't have any overlapping files Jul 18 10:09:10 often it's used as an upgrade/migration forcing scheme Jul 18 10:09:19 btw, i don't like debian structure :) Jul 18 10:09:32 if i want flash7 and flash9 installed, i should be able to have both :) Jul 18 10:09:56 similarly if i want gcc295, 296, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, i should be able to have all of the above :) Jul 18 10:10:02 yea Jul 18 10:10:15 but in debian i'll be forced to take at most maybe 2 of those w/o repackaging + renaminging packages Jul 18 10:10:25 but enough debian ranting :) Jul 18 10:10:45 the design goal for debian is a single coherent system Jul 18 10:10:54 and these features work very hard to achieve that Jul 18 10:11:07 * timeless heads out Jul 18 10:11:29 thanks Jul 18 10:12:22 morning all Jul 18 10:12:30 it's 1pm here Jul 18 10:12:39 close enough ;) Jul 18 10:12:43 ~ugt Jul 18 10:12:44 [ugt] Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Jul 18 10:12:58 heh Jul 18 10:13:48 yea, this is bogus Jul 18 10:13:48 Anyone with stereo bluetooth headphones about? Jul 18 10:14:10 there's no way libdb1-dev conflicts with libc6-dev Jul 18 10:14:27 db48x: apt-cache policy and, apt-get -d install and dpkg are the tools you play w/ Jul 18 10:14:30 maybe dpkg-deb Jul 18 10:22:48 * Jaffa yawns Jul 18 10:30:26 * timelE61i strides Jul 18 10:31:22 * db48x gives up and just edits /var/lib/dpkg/status Jul 18 10:31:39 :) Jul 18 10:33:07 * timelE61i pokes x-fade Jul 18 10:33:27 ok, this is really annoying Jul 18 10:33:46 I tried to build microb-browser, but that failed because I hadn't build microb-eal, which is fine Jul 18 10:34:11 I went to build microb-eal, but it failed because microb-browser has unmet dependancies Jul 18 10:34:19 dependencies? Jul 18 10:34:38 Personally i'd suggest apt-get source ... Jul 18 10:34:50 build the non debian way Jul 18 10:35:09 use run-mozilla the standard way Jul 18 10:35:32 w. TestGtkEmbed, and ignore packaging Jul 18 10:35:37 yea Jul 18 10:36:44 * timelE61i wonders where the source for bugs.maemo.org lives Jul 18 10:37:16 * timelE61i wonders that abesently of course Jul 18 10:37:33 ok, how do I unselect a package that I've tried to install? Jul 18 10:39:16 apt-get remove .. Jul 18 10:39:52 ah Jul 18 10:46:59 hrm, low battery. Irc over 3g overnight = drain Jul 18 10:56:55 hrm Jul 18 11:21:10 well, that's exciting Jul 18 11:21:31 now that I've compiled everything, maemo won't start Jul 18 11:25:53 What are the physical dimensions of the 770/n800 screen? Jul 18 11:39:27 sciboy: isn't that in the specs? Jul 18 11:39:36 No. Jul 18 11:39:51 Only physical dimensions for the device itself, and then the resolution of the screen. Jul 18 11:39:52 It is Jul 18 11:40:01 56 by 92 Jul 18 11:40:05 It's 4.13" diagonally, but I don't know how to visualise that. =P Jul 18 11:40:09 Cheers. =) Jul 18 11:40:13 Heh Jul 18 11:40:16 mm Jul 18 11:40:59 its a little less wide than most pda screens Jul 18 11:41:07 the rsolution is way out there og course Jul 18 11:41:29 does anyone know where the libgtkadi-dev package is? Jul 18 11:45:36 Hello. Jul 18 11:45:51 My question might be totally of topic, my appologies if so. Jul 18 11:46:11 I'm intrested in using maemo on the au1100 mipsel platform. Jul 18 11:46:39 And now I'm wondering what the nokia 770 uses as the lower layer for the graphics. Jul 18 11:46:49 db48x: Which SDK are you using? Jul 18 11:47:00 theril: maemo 3.2 Jul 18 11:47:12 I currently am using X and if I run the wxPython demo is terribly slow. Jul 18 11:47:41 blkhawk[work], Well thing is I am hoping to use it to check over reference material away from the computer, and to do so comfortably it can't be too small. =P Jul 18 11:48:49 db48x: I think 3.2 doesn't have it Jul 18 11:49:04 it worked before Jul 18 11:50:43 blkhawk[work], I'm referring to the size because the difference is I won't be holding it close to me while I make notes. Jul 18 11:51:11 db48x: It's in bora extra Jul 18 11:51:24 Sorry for a bad guess Jul 18 11:51:56 Or not Jul 18 11:51:59 Damn Jul 18 11:53:02 It's not in extras either Jul 18 11:54:58 hrm Jul 18 11:56:50 db48x: that comes from somewhere else, i can find it if you need Jul 18 11:57:34 db48x: iirc it's in svn though Jul 18 11:57:54 ! Jul 18 11:58:04 I'm apt-get upgrade-ing my N800 Jul 18 11:58:19 and I found several updates for the browser Jul 18 11:59:06 that's a new one for me :-) Jul 18 11:59:10 timeless: ah, ok. where in the svn? Jul 18 11:59:53 by the way, has anybody been successful in using the aircrack suite on the N800? Jul 18 11:59:57 browser.garage Jul 18 12:00:00 hold on Jul 18 12:00:07 my firefox is lagged Jul 18 12:00:31 :) Jul 18 12:01:48 gomiam: was curious about it but did not try anything yet Jul 18 12:02:01 airodump-ng gives me dozens of different MAC addresses for the same ESSID Jul 18 12:02:09 it gets a bit annoying Jul 18 12:03:14 oh nice Jul 18 12:03:24 my firefox is only using 1G of *ram* (1.3G of vm) Jul 18 12:03:40 timeless: only :-D Jul 18 12:03:46 heh Jul 18 12:03:48 gomiam: yes, only :) Jul 18 12:03:56 too bad this laptop only has 1.5g of ram Jul 18 12:04:06 my desktop has 4g of ram and something like 30g of swap Jul 18 12:04:31 db48x: arg Jul 18 12:04:38 i thought i enabled anonymous svn access Jul 18 12:05:06 ok, time to get a bit more tcpdump-y Jul 18 12:05:08 :-D Jul 18 12:07:34 perhaps I'll be able to aircrack-ptw a file the right way Jul 18 12:07:36 (argh) Jul 18 12:07:38 is garage down ? Jul 18 12:08:25 just very slow Jul 18 12:09:38 i just can't download a .deb Jul 18 12:09:40 seems it times out Jul 18 12:09:47 and it keeps pretending it's connecting Jul 18 12:10:25 db48x: ok, it's on sourceforge Jul 18 12:10:25 what's the deb's URL? Jul 18 12:10:33 just to test it from here Jul 18 12:11:58 where exactly does the kernel live in the filesystem on the 770? Jul 18 12:12:22 http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=136946 Jul 18 12:12:25 => db48x Jul 18 12:12:50 blkhawk: presumably the same place it lives in any other linux distro? Jul 18 12:12:58 it's not like this is series 60 Jul 18 12:13:20 cool Jul 18 12:13:32 timeless: I wouldn't ask if i could find it - maybe its in its own mtd Jul 18 12:13:41 ah, yes Jul 18 12:14:09 sorry :) Jul 18 12:14:24 so it does? Jul 18 12:15:22 * timeless charges 770 Jul 18 12:16:37 timeless: so if focus a web page text input and drag up on a vkb key such that the drag ends on urlbar I get focus in the urlbar in addition to a capital in the page input Jul 18 12:16:51 and if I drag up to page content the result is a bit random Jul 18 12:16:53 on maemo.org Jul 18 12:18:14 so I suppose nml might be doing some longish gestures Jul 18 12:18:36 actually the focus seems to go weird on google.fi if the gesture ends in content Jul 18 12:19:02 the input keeps its ring but subsequent typing doesn't go to it Jul 18 12:20:37 grrr still can't get my deb :) Jul 18 12:24:59 sp3000: yeah i've had that Jul 18 12:25:36 could someone please explain how to disable comments on news articles? Jul 18 12:42:03 hi there Jul 18 12:42:04 <_Monkey> que tal, colinl Jul 18 12:42:32 does anyone know where to find the maemo gtk2 source tarball? Jul 18 12:42:50 ph, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/source/g/gtk+2.0/ Jul 18 12:42:57 forget me :) Jul 18 12:51:50 im to stupid to install gplogger on maemo..i need some python packages..where can i get them? Jul 18 12:52:39 eichi, you can get python for maemo at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org Jul 18 12:52:55 trevarthan: "Transparency doesn't suck up all the speed, drawing all the background layers so it can find out what to make transparent does. Therefore, it can almost double the work of the gfx engine before it even gets to the "transparency" part (as the snes works by taking background layers and using a color subtraction or addition technique)." It looks like the main speedup is their MMU hack. So memcpy/memove in asm (from mplaye Jul 18 12:53:51 luck^: is is the install python-runtime 2.5 ? Jul 18 12:54:26 eichi, yes Jul 18 13:01:02 'llo Jul 18 13:02:08 * VladDrac just ordered a 770 after finding out they're only £ 73,- nowadays Jul 18 13:02:51 cripes Jul 18 13:03:27 anyone here speaking finnish who can translate a few lines for me? Jul 18 13:04:44 kenne: babelfish? Jul 18 13:05:24 kenne: there are people here (not me) who do..., i'm curious to see what caught your attn :) Jul 18 13:08:54 kenne: pon Jul 18 13:09:02 has anyone here seen this error before? Jul 18 13:09:05 maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop.launch' Jul 18 13:09:05 hildon-input-method[5925]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Could not register the osso_hw_set_event_cb Jul 18 13:09:05 [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > maemo-launcher: died comm_dbus_init: getting dbus bus Jul 18 13:12:57 kenne, I can translate for you Jul 18 13:19:13 Hmm .. I think I'm gonna have to change my strategy on making this ruby binding. Jul 18 13:21:49 hi can someone help me please am new to the 770 it has os2006 and i was trying to install mimo but i can't find it Jul 18 13:22:16 hi can someone help me please am new to the 770 it has os2006 and i was trying to install mimo but i can't find it Jul 18 13:23:48 inz, I wrote you privately Jul 18 13:24:23 help Jul 18 13:24:26 how do i open a .install file on the 770 Jul 18 13:24:34 how do i disable forum comments in gforge? Jul 18 13:24:42 ceg: you probably don't Jul 18 13:24:57 install files are basically hints to application manager about what repositories to add Jul 18 13:25:02 and what package to try to install Jul 18 13:25:09 ok how do i find minimo and how can i install it Jul 18 13:25:16 you can open the files w/ notes or a web browser and follow the steps manually Jul 18 13:25:45 * timeless tries to remember when install file support was added Jul 18 13:26:07 note that there are two incompatible os's that run on the 770 Jul 18 13:26:10 os 2005 and os 2006 Jul 18 13:26:22 i have the os 2006 Jul 18 13:26:24 and when i say incompatible, i mean Incompatible with a capital I Jul 18 13:28:27 oh ok Jul 18 13:28:53 timeless: Experimental for ITOS2006, default supported at launch of N800 ? (install file support) Jul 18 13:29:10 crap Jul 18 13:29:19 I think i just bricked my n770 Jul 18 13:29:24 was discussed, at least, before the n800. Jul 18 13:29:51 anybody know why mv and rm works in the initrd mount but cp doesn't? Jul 18 13:30:09 heh Jul 18 13:30:26 blhawk: hmm. Size? Jul 18 13:30:42 Veggen: free space is enough Jul 18 13:31:04 basically I copied linuxrc out of initrd Jul 18 13:31:11 then deleted the file Jul 18 13:31:24 then wanted to copy a moded version in (same filesize) Jul 18 13:31:28 doesn't work Jul 18 13:31:34 cp backup doesn't either Jul 18 13:31:48 feels like somebody missed mv Jul 18 13:32:03 without the linuxrc file it won't boot! Jul 18 13:32:11 if cp fails the error message should tell you why it failed Jul 18 13:32:28 db48x: you trust busybox? :) Jul 18 13:32:43 oh, busybox. heh Jul 18 13:32:48 Nokia770-04:/mnt/initfs# cp /linuxrc.old linuxrc Jul 18 13:32:48 cp: unable to open `linuxrc': No space left on device Jul 18 13:32:57 and there is space on there Jul 18 13:32:59 damnit Jul 18 13:33:07 is it mounted readwrite? Jul 18 13:33:11 yes Jul 18 13:33:20 how else could i mv it? Jul 18 13:33:35 how many inodes does it have? Jul 18 13:33:39 i think i've seen some systems which would let mvs succeed if the source was readonly :) Jul 18 13:33:53 timeless: thats retarded Jul 18 13:33:59 * timeless shrugs Jul 18 13:34:04 *nix is fun Jul 18 13:34:46 yes but thats the first thime that happend to me on linux Jul 18 13:35:39 blkhawk[work]: do df -i Jul 18 13:36:30 db48x: its busybox Jul 18 13:36:51 here :/dev/mtdblock4 2.0M 1.9M 104.0k 95% /mnt/initfs Jul 18 13:37:03 the linuxrc file is 7kb Jul 18 13:37:33 does busybox's df not have a -i option? Jul 18 13:37:48 nope Jul 18 13:37:52 huh Jul 18 13:38:13 Usage: df [-hmk] [FILESYSTEM ...] Jul 18 13:38:20 well, can you create a new file? Jul 18 13:38:24 no Jul 18 13:38:36 i can neither create nor copy nor move a file there Jul 18 13:38:43 you can move or rename existing files? Jul 18 13:38:54 tho /mnt/initfs/tmp is fine Jul 18 13:39:01 i can do everything in there Jul 18 13:39:07 mtab says Jul 18 13:40:02 this : /dev/root /mnt/initfs jffs2 rw,noatime 0 0 Jul 18 13:41:09 i just wwanted to make it boot from the 2nd mmc partition :( Jul 18 13:41:31 * timeless thought there were packages that did that Jul 18 13:41:54 blkhawk[work], iirc you can't write on initfs on a N700, you have to reflash it Jul 18 13:42:12 * timeless frowns Jul 18 13:42:19 db48x? Jul 18 13:42:21 sKaBoy: why can i move it then Jul 18 13:42:27 thats retarded Jul 18 13:42:29 http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla/source/Bugzilla/User.pm#264 Jul 18 13:42:31 timeless: yea? Jul 18 13:42:39 shouldn't that say $self->email, not $self->login ? Jul 18 13:42:59 sKaBoy: can you tell me why? Jul 18 13:43:20 blkhawk[work], dunno, but it doesn't work :) Jul 18 13:43:25 is it just a busybox limitation? then i cam maybe work around it Jul 18 13:43:32 why not? Jul 18 13:43:59 timeless: no, I don't think so Jul 18 13:44:20 timeless: what makes you think it should be email? Jul 18 13:44:39 blkhawk[work], i _don't_ know, if you're able to make it work.. feel free to do it! i've never tried it, i just tell you what i've read somewhere Jul 18 13:45:00 db48x: it'd be more useful for what i'm doing :) Jul 18 13:45:05 http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla/source/Bugzilla/User.pm#1394 Jul 18 13:45:14 ok - jffs2 supports writing Jul 18 13:45:16 $self->login does return the user's email address though Jul 18 13:45:16 timeless, then you'd need to change the function comment too Jul 18 13:45:29 inz: sure Jul 18 13:45:36 db48x: i know that Jul 18 13:45:40 problem is... Jul 18 13:45:44 i find this extremly unfair - its like stepping on a landmine Jul 18 13:45:44 if you're visiting a bugzilla Jul 18 13:45:55 and someone wants to click on a commenter link Jul 18 13:46:01 they expect it to deliver mail Jul 18 13:46:14 but, mailto:user probably won't do the right thing Jul 18 13:46:14 how can one forsee that this action is non.rreversible Jul 18 13:46:58 inz/db48x: please read the POD (line 1814) Jul 18 13:47:14 it clearly says email, no? Jul 18 13:47:18 yea, that's what my code does Jul 18 13:47:29 timeless, it indeed does Jul 18 13:47:52 so am I right in being at least a bit confused? :( Jul 18 13:47:55 if $self->name is true, it returns "$self->name <$self->login>", otherwise it just returns $self->login Jul 18 13:48:10 db48x: yes, i can read the code Jul 18 13:48:14 and i can read the comment Jul 18 13:48:17 and i can read the POD Jul 18 13:48:21 and they don't agree :) Jul 18 13:48:32 http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla/source/Bugzilla/User.pm#1800 Jul 18 13:48:36 i also know the theoretical use of this is mostly according to the POD Jul 18 13:48:50 db48x: yeah, i think that's the root bug :) Jul 18 13:48:56 sure Jul 18 13:51:55 timeless: so when do you only end up with mailto:user instead of mailto:user@example.com? Jul 18 13:52:11 db48x: well, at least in code i'm about to write :) Jul 18 13:52:18 not sure about elsewhere Jul 18 13:52:22 heh Jul 18 13:52:25 how often have you been to sites that use that param? :) Jul 18 13:52:49 what are you changing? Jul 18 13:53:06 215210 Jul 18 13:54:09 ah Jul 18 13:55:23 * timeless frowns Jul 18 13:55:52 so, how often do you use the maemo desktop in scratchbox? Jul 18 13:58:48 hey disq: I got your patch. I'm really excited about it, but I can't look at it just now. I've got a lot of paid work to do today. I'll get to it ASAP. Hopefully after noon EST. Thanks for the hard work! Jul 18 13:59:39 db48x: http://webwizardry.net/~timeless/215210/ Jul 18 13:59:44 s{/$}{} Jul 18 14:01:20 cool Jul 18 14:01:31 no clue if it actually works or anything Jul 18 14:03:05 look ok Jul 18 14:03:10 ok I think i found a way to fix it Jul 18 14:03:18 however a small problem Jul 18 14:03:31 the file i need to fix it doesn't run Jul 18 14:03:43 it always says "file not found" Jul 18 14:04:23 none of the execurable elf binaerys work Jul 18 14:04:35 they all just cause a "file not found error" Jul 18 14:04:40 any idea Jul 18 14:04:48 i use tab compleation Jul 18 14:04:58 and i am very sure i have the right files Jul 18 14:05:51 everything is executable too Jul 18 14:07:29 trevarthan: hey, ok :) Jul 18 14:07:32 or i could just flash it and hope for the best :( Jul 18 14:11:25 hrm Jul 18 14:11:38 now this thing runs, but nothing shows up in the X server Jul 18 14:11:42 heh Jul 18 14:12:00 * timeless sighs Jul 18 14:12:05 gforge is so stupid Jul 18 14:12:11 Update Administrate Jul 18 14:12:15 [sic] Jul 18 14:12:26 heh Jul 18 14:12:41 ok, if I run TestGtkEmbed, the ui shows up Jul 18 14:12:44 or most of it does Jul 18 14:12:51 * timeless doesn't really feel like filing bugs about FEnglish or equivalent in GForge Jul 18 14:12:54 heh Jul 18 14:13:02 oop Jul 18 14:13:03 s Jul 18 14:13:05 iirc by default you don't have a page loaded Jul 18 14:13:08 load about:Blank ? Jul 18 14:13:25 I minimized it, and now I'm back to an empty X window Jul 18 14:13:34 wats a good website for 770 apps? Jul 18 14:13:42 it won't load anything Jul 18 14:13:51 db48x: including data: urls? Jul 18 14:13:59 well, it loads something if I go to File -> Test Stream Jul 18 14:14:04 on average networking in scratchbox is busted :) Jul 18 14:14:23 i stick w/ about:, data:, javascript: before i try file:, http: Jul 18 14:14:31 about:blank didn't work Jul 18 14:14:41 Hmm .. So the python maemo bindings aren't actually complete bindings. Jul 18 14:14:42 I was typing a data url, but I hit something and now it dissapeared :) Jul 18 14:15:00 * alterego wonders if he's doing too much. Jul 18 14:15:04 alterego: you sound greedy :) Jul 18 14:15:04 I'm at the desktop, but with no menu, title or whatever it's called on the left hand side Jul 18 14:15:23 db48x: oh right, you have access to a full world, right? Jul 18 14:15:25 I was just curious. I'm working on Ruby-Maemo :P Jul 18 14:15:35 * timeless tries to remember the right apt-get world magic Jul 18 14:15:43 timeless: I suppose Jul 18 14:16:09 I think the urlbar is just broken Jul 18 14:17:09 what mtdblock is the initfs? Jul 18 14:17:10 http://db48x.net/db48x.net/temp Jul 18 14:17:24 Screenshot-95.png Jul 18 14:20:30 pretty Jul 18 14:20:55 is Hi there from stream? Jul 18 14:21:02 yea Jul 18 14:21:03 your url is corrupt btw :) Jul 18 14:21:35 looks ok to me Jul 18 14:22:00 db48x.net/db48x.net ? Jul 18 14:22:07 oh, sorry Jul 18 14:22:13 are you using or ? Jul 18 14:22:37 ah, enter of course Jul 18 14:23:07 you know something is wrong when you need to start stopping applications to run a damned aircrack (on Windows) Jul 18 14:23:28 in order to free enough memory Jul 18 14:23:35 err Jul 18 14:23:42 you don't let windows manage its own vm? Jul 18 14:23:43 gomiam, you know something is wrong ... on windows Jul 18 14:24:35 timeless: no. Fragmentation is a bitch :-D Jul 18 14:24:50 timeless: what's that extra box in Screenshot-96.png? Jul 18 14:24:59 also, the left hand bit started working at some point Jul 18 14:25:01 anyway it doesn't really matter. I am still unable to break that damned key :-D Jul 18 14:25:15 * gomiam bashes head repeatedly against wall Jul 18 14:25:19 the loading indicator? Jul 18 14:25:28 i presume you mean over about: Jul 18 14:25:32 ah, it's gone away now Jul 18 14:25:33 yea Jul 18 14:25:39 is it possible to have translucent widgets in gtk ? Jul 18 14:25:42 yes, we're required to show progress messages Jul 18 14:25:47 guardian: yes Jul 18 14:25:49 is there a full hardwarelisting of the n770 somewhere? Jul 18 14:25:56 timeless: how ? Jul 18 14:26:00 like what hardware and devices are exactly present? Jul 18 14:26:07 guardian: i don't really care :) Jul 18 14:26:24 timeless: thanx for the help ! :) Jul 18 14:26:36 doh Jul 18 14:26:49 I forgot, TestGtkEmbed doesn't have type ahead find Jul 18 14:26:55 heh Jul 18 14:27:24 i'm so lazy in irc, i want word auto-completion to include the last few hundred words appearing in the chat screen Jul 18 14:27:32 so i could type TestG[TAB] Jul 18 14:27:45 heh Jul 18 14:27:51 pupnik: yea, that'd be cool Jul 18 14:27:54 ooh patent! Jul 18 14:28:18 heh :-D Jul 18 14:28:22 not here in Spain Jul 18 14:28:23 pupnik: including the last 50 spelling errors/typos? Jul 18 14:28:44 sure just tab through the list of matching words Jul 18 14:28:53 hrm Jul 18 14:29:01 I can load sites by ip address anyway Jul 18 14:29:19 yeah, you have to fix /etc/resolv.conf or whatever Jul 18 14:29:49 where does that file come from? Jul 18 14:29:53 the one in my scratchbox is ok Jul 18 14:30:09 i thought we fixed it last week ;) Jul 18 14:30:20 so, you can't resolve names? Jul 18 14:30:25 outside scratchbox session, in /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf remove the mdsn4 stuff Jul 18 14:30:27 nope Jul 18 14:30:30 ah no Jul 18 14:30:33 it's not resolv.conf Jul 18 14:30:40 outside scratchbox session, in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf remove the mdsn4 stuff Jul 18 14:30:43 nsswitch.conf, yea Jul 18 14:30:49 but I've already done that Jul 18 14:30:53 I can resolve names in scratchbox Jul 18 14:32:01 http://db48x.net/temp/Screenshot-97.png Jul 18 14:32:12 is the bootloader in any way touched when updating the OS version? Jul 18 14:32:30 * timeless thinks it is Jul 18 14:32:30 you can see that that's loading stuff from the net, but not by name Jul 18 14:32:34 or can i upload the parts of the seperatly? Jul 18 14:32:44 i think they're relatively independent Jul 18 14:32:48 but generally all modules are patched Jul 18 14:33:11 so if i load kernel, initfs and root image i am good? Jul 18 14:33:43 erm... what was required to compile cx3110x ? Jul 18 14:35:59 heh tablet-browser just segfaults Jul 18 14:36:43 so is it absolutely nesseary to load the xloader flash in order to upgrade the os? Jul 18 14:36:52 like it is for LiLo ;) Jul 18 14:38:56 heh, I have a 2.6.18 kernel, but there seems to be no sources for it Jul 18 14:39:12 can anybody give me a hint about where can I find them? Jul 18 14:42:11 can someone please helpe me Jul 18 14:42:14 bleah, skipped the tutorial part where it was specified :-D Jul 18 14:42:27 http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.18.tar.bz2 Jul 18 14:42:55 Ceg, as the channel topic says "Good questions deserve better answers" Jul 18 14:43:21 if you state your problem correctly you may get an answer Jul 18 14:43:24 am trying to install python on my 770 but i keep gettings files like python2.5-runtime.install and i don't have aclue wat i need to do with it Jul 18 14:43:35 ok Jul 18 14:43:51 python2.5-runtime.install is a Maemo autoinstaller file Jul 18 14:44:06 gomiam: http://eugeneteo.livejournal.com/6172.html see the part where i talk about getting the kernel source code Jul 18 14:44:41 ok so how do i use it or how do i install ? Jul 18 14:44:42 thanks again eugene, I forgot you had that there too. I'm following the maemo.org kernel guide, anyway Jul 18 14:44:50 you just "click" on it Jul 18 14:44:57 it should install automatically Jul 18 14:45:09 or at least launch the Package Manager Jul 18 14:45:26 gomiam: if in doubt, see my blog :P Jul 18 14:45:29 yeah does that but doesn't do anything after than Jul 18 14:45:29 :\ Jul 18 14:45:46 does it launch the application manager? Jul 18 14:46:08 yes Jul 18 14:46:13 mmm... ok Jul 18 14:46:39 it might take a while for the app manager to respond, though, so you may have closed it too soon Jul 18 14:46:54 any idea how to dump the current kernel off a nokia 770? Jul 18 14:47:33 let me try it again Jul 18 14:47:40 if you didn't, you may want to check the available applications after the application manager starts and see if you find python2.5 in the list. Jul 18 14:48:16 I have a N800, but I don't remember it being too whiney about installing python Jul 18 14:48:26 meanwhile, I'll try to find the python2.5 repository Jul 18 14:49:41 Ceg do you have repository.maemo.org in your application manager's list? Jul 18 14:50:04 i'm logging messages with g_debug() macro. is there a way to disable logging ? i would like to control that at compile time, and if enabled at compile time, i would like to be able to also control it at runtime Jul 18 14:50:14 s/list/repositories/ Jul 18 14:50:14 gomiam meant: Ceg do you have repository.maemo.org in your application manager's repositories? Jul 18 14:50:14 its ok now its fixed :) Jul 18 14:50:18 good Jul 18 14:50:18 :-D Jul 18 14:50:40 u can get minimo for the 77o os 2006 right? Jul 18 14:51:06 computers, the only field of engineering where, if something doesn't work, you try again and again in the same exact way until it usually does :-D Jul 18 14:51:13 Ceg: no idea Jul 18 14:52:12 omg, I'm certainly dense today Jul 18 14:53:02 time to install the 2.6.18 kernel source (also known as package kernel-source-rx-34) :-/ Jul 18 14:53:14 zoddtd: "I'm going to take the first of many small steps on getting a dynarec working for ARM based DOSBox " Jul 18 14:53:22 \p/ Jul 18 14:57:40 hey anyone uses a headset?.. Jul 18 14:58:27 im using the latesr OS2007. the repos i should use is "bora" or "mistral"? Jul 18 14:58:27 Ceg: yes. The 2007 build works fine on 2006 Jul 18 14:58:37 * killfill with so much qestions today..:P Jul 18 14:58:54 killfill: bora Jul 18 14:59:01 ok Jul 18 14:59:52 * joshin is feeling stupid... He can't figure out why he isn't able to boot from his mmc card (mmcblk0p4) despite having followed the directions perfectly. Jul 18 15:00:09 I would kill to know what the error is. Grrr... Jul 18 15:02:21 "Boot from MMC4 failed, booting from flash" - Fine, why? Jul 18 15:02:30 MMC4? Jul 18 15:02:41 shouldn't that be MMC1 or MMC2? Jul 18 15:02:51 4th partition on the MMC drive. N770 Jul 18 15:02:56 /dev/mmcblk0p4 Jul 18 15:03:00 mmm... ok. Jul 18 15:03:09 so many partitions :-) Jul 18 15:04:02 Partion 1 - Fat16 for data, Partition 2 - swap space, Partition 3 - Angstrom test, Partition 4 - Maemo Jul 18 15:08:56 ok - is there any reason why elf executables from os2006 would absolutely refuse to run on os 2005? Jul 18 15:09:12 different ABI Jul 18 15:09:15 in fact creating a "file not found error"? Jul 18 15:09:25 mgedmin: that means? Jul 18 15:09:47 * mgedmin is looking up the link Jul 18 15:09:55 trevarthan: ping Jul 18 15:10:06 blkhawk[work]: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort Jul 18 15:10:20 athough that's probably a bit too technical Jul 18 15:10:43 k-s[WORK]: yo Jul 18 15:10:47 in short, the calling conventions are different, so applications built on OS2006 cannot use system libraries (including the dynamic linker) from OS2005 Jul 18 15:10:48 crap Jul 18 15:10:53 ya Jul 18 15:10:58 trevarthan: have you tried evas? Jul 18 15:11:11 I need a specific app to be able to rescue my initfs Jul 18 15:11:14 trevarthan: I'm about to release a new version with minor fixes I've done Jul 18 15:11:15 calling conventions, heh Jul 18 15:11:17 not yet. I probably won't until after I make a release of kagu either. Jul 18 15:11:18 understatement Jul 18 15:11:22 seems like i am sol Jul 18 15:11:37 the differences between 2005 and 2006 are like those between hebrew and japanese Jul 18 15:11:49 disq: What would you like the commit log to say for your patch? Jul 18 15:11:50 thatnks for the analogy Jul 18 15:11:52 things aren't written in the same direction and have no matching shape Jul 18 15:12:03 dio you know if the boootloaders are different too? Jul 18 15:12:15 k-s[WORK]: I will try it though. It'll just be a while. Jul 18 15:12:20 they would be Jul 18 15:12:30 the source code could be similar Jul 18 15:12:33 but the binaries won't be Jul 18 15:12:38 trevarthan: ok Jul 18 15:12:57 timeless: how could that be - wouldn't the bootloader come beffore any initalization? Jul 18 15:13:04 this is important for me Jul 18 15:13:18 * timeless ponders Jul 18 15:13:21 because this device just might not be resxuable witrha normal firmware Jul 18 15:13:36 i think it depends on which piece is responsible for setting up the arm mode Jul 18 15:13:38 * blkhawk[work] gets the .bin images and compares the files Jul 18 15:13:45 i'd kinda expect that to be in the bootloader Jul 18 15:14:00 Cyclone core can be used in MAME btw Jul 18 15:14:02 do you know how to dump the bootloader? Jul 18 15:14:16 "there were some issues with the wrapper code in between the MAME core and Cyclone, not with Cyclone itself. " - Notaz Jul 18 15:14:17 not offhand, i'm a browser guy Jul 18 15:14:34 thanks for the help Jul 18 15:16:40 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch Jul 18 15:17:17 i don't suuppose anyone here recognizes izhereal Jul 18 15:17:45 oh, heh, accoutn is two weeks old Jul 18 15:17:46 has there been anyone trying to get google maps mobile working on the n800? Jul 18 15:18:00 The Java ME application? Jul 18 15:18:18 disq: I think it might be worthwhile to do a quick partial scan for files, getting a full list of them without actually reading any id3 tags (using the bouncing progress bar the whole time), then do a second pass with a non-bouncing progress bar while we scan the actual id3 tags. What do you think? Jul 18 15:19:43 ya basically thats what it ammoints to Jul 18 15:20:24 Hyperion|n800: there's no working Java ME, so... no. Jul 18 15:20:51 yay Jul 18 15:21:07 the bootloaders are the same! that means i can flash Jul 18 15:21:11 heh, ok, so much for java being "universal" Jul 18 15:21:42 not between 2005 and 2006 but inbetween the 2005 releases Jul 18 15:23:16 well, there are still some bugs in the new moz engine, but its hella better than opera Jul 18 15:23:22 * blkhawk[work] disolves into a puddle on the floor Jul 18 15:23:33 ok, someone needs to remind me how sed works :) Jul 18 15:23:53 sed -e 's/foo/bar/' Jul 18 15:24:02 timeless: echo "foo" | sed -e 's/foo/bar/' Jul 18 15:24:04 Snap Jul 18 15:24:18 cat foo | sed -e 's/1/2/' > foo Jul 18 15:24:19 guys wish me luck! Jul 18 15:24:19 ? Jul 18 15:24:20 :) Jul 18 15:24:44 I'm pretty sure piping the file back to itself is a bad idea. Jul 18 15:24:55 * timeless too :) Jul 18 15:25:14 It's a catastrophically bad idea. Use Perl for that: Jul 18 15:25:26 perl -pi~ -e 's/1/2/' foo Jul 18 15:25:37 perl doesn't ship w/ 770/n800 Jul 18 15:25:42 there's a reason this is sed Jul 18 15:25:57 sed -i -e seems to work in centos Jul 18 15:25:58 Perl's shipped with at least one IT OS release. Jul 18 15:26:01 does it work in n800? Jul 18 15:26:15 is not Jul 18 15:26:57 things in garage.meamo.org are not avaible form a repo, are they? Jul 18 15:26:57 timeless: "perl -V" works exactly as expected on the v4.2007... released the other week. Jul 18 15:27:10 well that doesn't help me Jul 18 15:27:29 sh: perl: not found Jul 18 15:27:35 timeless: what good are these debian dbg packages? Jul 18 15:27:38 so says scratchbox Jul 18 15:27:48 db48x: they're good for corrupting your builds Jul 18 15:27:53 ah, ok Jul 18 15:27:59 some dbgs are -g versions of files Jul 18 15:28:03 * db48x writes that down Jul 18 15:28:05 and some or stripping bits Jul 18 15:28:25 and you have to look at some debian/policy or similar file to understand which Jul 18 15:28:34 tablet-browser is crashing in libbrowsereal Jul 18 15:28:48 the microb related stuff in theory is -g style Jul 18 15:29:00 but use file very carefully before you try to use them Jul 18 15:29:02 somethinig like: Jul 18 15:29:06 cd /usr/lib Jul 18 15:29:16 mv microb-engine microb-engine.good Jul 18 15:29:22 cp -r microb-engine.evil Jul 18 15:29:30 ln -s microb-engine.evil microb-engine Jul 18 15:29:34 cd microb-engine Jul 18 15:29:34 timeless: yeah sed -i works Jul 18 15:30:02 then from here you want to copy or symlink from/to the dbg package files Jul 18 15:31:09 sp3000: http://webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 Jul 18 15:32:22 ah, it doesn't check to see if load_engine_by_name is successful or not Jul 18 15:32:31 cool, ibm 701c tft thinkpad with folding keyboard on ebay for 15 euro :P Jul 18 15:32:33 db48x: "oops' :) Jul 18 15:32:41 not at all surprising of course :) Jul 18 15:32:45 plus it tries to load opera by default Jul 18 15:32:48 :) Jul 18 15:33:18 u know when u install any apps on ther 770 does it have to go on ther 770 and not the memeoy card ? Jul 18 15:33:24 timeless: fun Jul 18 15:33:32 ceg: packages kinda suck Jul 18 15:33:41 Ceg: executeables have to go onto the internal flash, data files can go onto memory card Jul 18 15:33:42 they insist on installing in cannonical places on average Jul 18 15:33:54 oh right Jul 18 15:33:56 you could try using dpkg to force things into non standard places Jul 18 15:34:05 or you could violate the file system by establishing symlinks Jul 18 15:34:10 but both are very bad ideas Jul 18 15:34:13 :( Jul 18 15:34:17 oh Jul 18 15:34:22 I bricked it Jul 18 15:34:30 :( Jul 18 15:34:32 so its got to go on the internal memory then Jul 18 15:34:32 :| Jul 18 15:34:41 for the n800 there's an internal mmc slot which in theory you don't remove that card often Jul 18 15:34:59 hrm, that wasn't English Jul 18 15:35:23 <||cw> when you plug in the usb it "removes" the card and attaches it to the host, and that can cause serious problems Jul 18 15:35:40 you can disable usbhost :) Jul 18 15:35:56 ok is there anyway i can uninstall any of the standed apps then ? Jul 18 15:36:10 ceg: use the red pill Jul 18 15:36:32 is it called red pill or the red pill? Jul 18 15:36:45 the "red pill" Jul 18 15:36:51 and it officially doesn't exist Jul 18 15:36:52 Ceg, after i remove some themes and unneeded media off the flash, i never have problems filling the internal 'drive' Jul 18 15:37:08 er... i never fill it Jul 18 15:37:13 Ceg: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode Jul 18 15:37:18 thanks Jul 18 15:37:26 pupnik how did u remove them files ? Jul 18 15:37:27 :) Jul 18 15:37:46 Ceg, there is some unneeded stuff in /usr/share and in /home/user Jul 18 15:38:01 damn am a n00b :| Jul 18 15:38:03 gomaim: there's a spelling error in that page Jul 18 15:38:07 wats that all about :P Jul 18 15:38:10 I take it back kernel + initrd did the trick Jul 18 15:38:11 "chosing" *cough* Jul 18 15:38:17 i mean how can i edit and delte the crap in there? Jul 18 15:38:58 Ceg, if you're not experienced in unix/linux then use application manager to uninstall programs and file manager to remove files Jul 18 15:39:17 ok but will i be able to uninstall the normal crappy apps ? Jul 18 15:40:04 let me see - removing chess now Jul 18 15:40:23 * alterego is about 1/2 way through ruby hildon bindings. Jul 18 15:40:41 It's already more complete than Python-Maemo :D Jul 18 15:40:59 alterego: yesterday it was "finished by tomorrow" ? ;) Jul 18 15:41:03 (or such) Jul 18 15:41:13 why can't i edit that page? Jul 18 15:41:31 Yes, I'll be finished by this evening. Well, the hildon bindings. Still need to do osso. Jul 18 15:41:38 ok. Jul 18 15:41:52 oh, you can't remove the ones that came with the OS from app manager in normal mode Jul 18 15:42:18 but can it be done another way which is like safe for me to for me todo ? Jul 18 15:42:23 holy crap, vim is 19 MB Jul 18 15:42:29 Shocker. Jul 18 15:42:36 vim= wat? Jul 18 15:42:48 pupnik: And well worth it! Jul 18 15:43:03 I think it's like notepad for Windows. Jul 18 15:43:09 alterego, good luck with the DBus stuff :) Jul 18 15:43:17 lmoura, dbus is done. Jul 18 15:43:29 well you can free 3.3MB by removing the spellchecker Jul 18 15:43:38 ceg: application manager is a lot safer than alternatives Jul 18 15:43:58 but note that there isn't really an undo Jul 18 15:43:59 alterego, I mean working with Dbus and osso-conic at the same time Jul 18 15:43:59 dbus, gconf, gnomevfs is already done. Jul 18 15:44:08 you can't put things back after you remove them Jul 18 15:44:19 lmoura, right. Well, I'll cross that bridge .. :) Jul 18 15:44:22 right ok Jul 18 15:44:33 so my best option is not to do it? Jul 18 15:44:40 timeless: Yes, I learned the hard way not to remove dnsmasq. Jul 18 15:44:49 are you planning on building mozilla firefox on your device? Jul 18 15:45:00 alterego, I was going crazy while making the python bindings for ConIC. Due to the old dbus version (0.61...) there are some problems while using dbus with ConIC Jul 18 15:45:02 or openoffice? Jul 18 15:45:03 Ceg, i've got tons of games installed, and i'm only using 82.2M out of 123.5M with 41.3M free (67% usage) Jul 18 15:45:07 i would like to but i don't have clue how to Jul 18 15:45:08 lol Jul 18 15:45:40 exactly how do you plan to run out of space? Jul 18 15:45:40 media files belong on mmcs :) Jul 18 15:46:34 right so my best option is to leave it for now and see how i get on with the space? Jul 18 15:46:47 yay Jul 18 15:46:54 http://db48x.net/temp/Screenshot-98.png Jul 18 15:46:55 oh ok :) Jul 18 15:47:02 alterego, The problem was the the dbus connection used in the bindings was somehow conflicting with the connection used to setup the ConIC. So I had to create one connection manually just for the binding Jul 18 15:47:52 alterego, anyway, it's nice to see that progress in Ruby (My first dinamic language, :) Jul 18 15:47:59 congrats Jul 18 15:48:05 by why does it say romaxa? Jul 18 15:48:13 db48x: for a moment, i thought you ran vmware on the device Jul 18 15:48:23 db48x: what windowmanager is that? the fonts are really nicely rendered Jul 18 15:48:27 eugene: heh Jul 18 15:48:43 pupnik: on my main computer? metacity, I think Jul 18 15:49:01 the nested one is kubuntu, no? Jul 18 15:49:04 yes Jul 18 15:49:07 :) Jul 18 15:49:17 no, that's gnome too Jul 18 15:49:23 and the ugly one matchbox Jul 18 15:49:34 lmoura, I've got big plans for Ruby-Maemo :) Jul 18 15:49:43 yea, it's gnome Jul 18 15:49:45 db48x: is that an OS 2006 build for 770 owners? Jul 18 15:50:22 jaffa; hardly Jul 18 15:50:49 timeless: dunno why it says romaxa Jul 18 15:50:56 Jaffa: no, it's just running in scratchbox Jul 18 15:51:01 alterego, are you using some kind of code generation tool? Any page about it? Jul 18 15:51:31 No, and no. Jul 18 15:51:47 ok is there anyway i can change how the like the main window(desktop thing) looks ? Jul 18 15:51:49 I was using a little auto gen ruby script I wrote, but dropped that for a template. Jul 18 15:52:23 ceg: you mean other than using the menu in the home screen and switching themes? Jul 18 15:52:30 ooh Jul 18 15:52:30 yep Jul 18 15:52:31 you can also do the same from control panel.. Jul 18 15:52:37 pipelining defaults to true Jul 18 15:52:55 lmoura, Once I've finished Hildon bindings and tested it a bit. I'll work out how to release a package and announce it on the maemo-developers list. Jul 18 15:53:14 oh ok Jul 18 15:53:15 alterego, nice Jul 18 15:53:26 wah, winembed can't save files Jul 18 15:53:41 aand would i be able to add my own shortcuts to apps i wanna use? Jul 18 15:55:05 hey.. there is no icon put in the menu for the mozilla browser?..:S Jul 18 15:55:15 killfill: um Jul 18 15:55:20 there's no menu item for it either Jul 18 15:55:29 Ceg, it doesn't use shortcuts like a windows desktop Jul 18 15:55:29 it replaces opera as the engine for "Web" Jul 18 15:55:36 Aah Jul 18 15:55:43 oh Jul 18 15:55:50 pupnik: err Jul 18 15:56:01 .lnk / .pif files are fairly close to .desktop files Jul 18 15:56:32 so Jul 18 15:56:38 how did this person do this then https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1244/screenshot-idea-770.jpg Jul 18 15:56:39 ? Jul 18 15:57:36 "idea" is pretty new, written by some dude. It's not part of OS Jul 18 15:58:59 doesn't work well w/ the curvy backgrounds nokia shipped w/ the 770 ;:) Jul 18 16:00:18 so, all I need to do is crack the dns issue Jul 18 16:00:19 nokias idea was to use that space for 'applets' like a clock, rss reader, internet radio etc Jul 18 16:03:49 btw 'internet radio' applet in it2007he gives me 'file format not supported' Jul 18 16:04:08 aahh Jul 18 16:04:15 turns out my /etc/resolve.conf was malformed :P Jul 18 16:13:03 what was that program that showed the wifi status.. Jul 18 16:13:06 i.e. ip and signal Jul 18 16:13:31 can someone tell me how long it takes a 770 to change up? Jul 18 16:13:50 <||cw> what's change up Jul 18 16:14:27 charge up i mean Jul 18 16:14:27 lol Jul 18 16:14:35 <||cw> heh, ok Jul 18 16:14:51 <||cw> no idea, I just plug it in overnight Jul 18 16:14:58 <||cw> maybe 80% in an hour or soemthing Jul 18 16:15:19 <||cw> it does fast charge if it is powered on, but only trickle charge if off Jul 18 16:15:30 really Jul 18 16:15:32 that odd Jul 18 16:15:33 lol Jul 18 16:16:03 <||cw> odd? Jul 18 16:16:16 <||cw> it's typical Jul 18 16:16:18 doesn't matter Jul 18 16:16:27 i thought it might be the other way around Jul 18 16:17:11 <||cw> the monitoring and logic required to switch from fast charge to trickle before the battery explodes is too expensive to embed on a chip Jul 18 16:18:41 oh ok :) Jul 18 16:19:11 ||cw: speculating? Jul 18 16:19:31 <||cw> generalizing Jul 18 16:19:40 it boots up some parts if you plug it to charger.. Jul 18 16:19:45 when it's off Jul 18 16:19:46 oh is this true the usb port is also a charger aswell :O ? Jul 18 16:19:55 afaiui it starts up to charge, how much ui it shows you is another thing Jul 18 16:20:17 nokias phones do the same thing Jul 18 16:20:28 nice Jul 18 16:20:30 didn't know that Jul 18 16:21:08 no, the usb port is not charger Jul 18 16:21:12 Ceg: no usb charging Jul 18 16:21:15 it's a bit scary to think that if the software crashes when the n800 is plugged in, the battery may explode Jul 18 16:22:06 mgedmin: how is this different from a dell laptop Jul 18 16:22:18 or any of the dozen of other laptop vendors w/ exploding batteries? Jul 18 16:22:49 with dell and friends it's the hardware's fault Jul 18 16:23:02 as a programmer I trust hardware more than I trust software :) Jul 18 16:23:17 <||cw> mgedmin: on other devises that do this, the charging circuit does know when the software is dead and drops back to trickle Jul 18 16:23:25 oh, smart Jul 18 16:23:29 thanks, ||cw Jul 18 16:23:39 mgedmin: you know the nice stories about the xray machines right? :) Jul 18 16:28:35 lo Jul 18 16:29:21 it2007he repos, what... a.. mess... Jul 18 16:31:21 timeless: no, what stories? Jul 18 16:32:54 hey guys.. in /proc/bus/input/devices, i can see: N: Name="retu-headset" S: Sysfs=/class/input/input1 H: Handlers=kbd event1 Jul 18 16:32:54 http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib/Therac_25/Therac_1.html Jul 18 16:33:03 thats the bt headset im connected to right?.. Jul 18 16:33:15 what could i try to do to enable it?.. Jul 18 16:33:34 Hmm .. Think I'm gonna have to remodel HildonNote .. Jul 18 16:33:50 oh, yea. I remember that Jul 18 16:34:18 HildonNote? Jul 18 16:34:51 cat /sys/class/input/input1/capabilities/snd Jul 18 16:34:52 0 Jul 18 16:34:53 :S Jul 18 16:38:14 with what ease can ARM-compiled debian packages be installed on the n800? Jul 18 16:38:49 i.e. do they need some conversion? Jul 18 16:39:05 from what I saw in some resources, most of the conversion process is hildonizing and compiling for ARM Jul 18 16:39:16 mu Jul 18 16:39:26 pupnik: howdy Jul 18 16:39:44 "mu" is zen-speak for "I unask the question" Jul 18 16:39:48 <-Michae1 Jul 18 16:39:52 pupnik: I know Jul 18 16:39:53 ah hi Jul 18 16:40:13 I actually have the seal script for mu right here on my desk at work Jul 18 16:40:21 procto: No ease at all if you don't have source, as most ARM-compiled Debian packages are for a different ABI. Jul 18 16:40:28 Jaffa: ah Jul 18 16:41:06 debian packages can be compiled in scratchbox to create armel binaries Jul 18 16:41:09 is there any other good 770 app sites apart from this 1? Jul 18 16:43:10 hmm Jul 18 16:44:56 pupnik: feel like trying to run something for me? Jul 18 16:45:01 pupnik: my n800 is out for delivery :> Jul 18 16:45:44 pupnik: namely, I want to know if MilkyTracker can run without recompiling (since it's not opensource) Jul 18 16:50:38 jaffa but the 3.2 sbox packages where real debian packages not? Jul 18 16:52:05 ther is so much news on maemo the last week i can not keep up.it's a real time killer :p Jul 18 16:52:27 procto: what app. I have a 770 Jul 18 16:59:21 <`0660> i wonder who packages adblock first :) Jul 18 16:59:30 heh Jul 18 16:59:43 personally i expect floppymoose's css to be packaged sooner Jul 18 16:59:46 it's a lot easier Jul 18 16:59:50 `0660: I would if I wasn't going to the cinema tonight Jul 18 17:00:03 i presume adblock has some ui elements Jul 18 17:00:12 and ui elements are problematic as there's virtually no ui support Jul 18 17:00:32 <`0660> yeah :/ Jul 18 17:00:53 <`0660> though it would be enough if it would load the block list from a fixed location Jul 18 17:02:43 timeless: floppymoose's CSS doesn't need to be packaged, just dropped in the right place Jul 18 17:03:16 (AIUI you've still got userContent.css support) Jul 18 17:03:28 right Jul 18 17:03:35 but how does a normal user do that? Jul 18 17:03:47 keep in mind that file manager won't show ~/.mozilla/ Jul 18 17:03:52 it's too helpful :) Jul 18 17:04:19 I wouldn't want packages touching userContent.css - too much possibility of breakage Jul 18 17:04:58 * timeless nods Jul 18 17:05:02 not quite sure how to deal w/ it Jul 18 17:05:13 but it seems more useful as a simple start problem Jul 18 17:05:32 * timeless ponder Jul 18 17:48:48 i can't tell from the pictures of the N770, but does it have one of those hooks on the case to put a security strap through? Jul 18 17:50:40 no. Jul 18 17:51:02 thanks Jul 18 17:51:13 against falling or stealing? Jul 18 17:51:18 stealing Jul 18 17:51:35 this would be used in a public place, not for personal use Jul 18 17:52:07 kind of like a personal mini in-store kiosk Jul 18 17:57:36 does the touch screen of the N770/N800 respond well to finger touches, or only stylus? If I created an interface with big buttons, would using a finger work? Jul 18 17:58:24 tauren_: not that it's worth much, but the 770 doesn't have an "N" in its name Jul 18 17:58:40 oops. thanks for pointing that out. Jul 18 17:58:46 minus bugs it's very good w/ fingers/thumbs Jul 18 17:59:06 ok, good. Jul 18 17:59:13 the n800 had some issues over time, the 4.2007-26 (?) release is supposed to deal w/ those bugs Jul 18 17:59:49 note that for the n800 current releases there's a pressure field or something as part of the xevent (?) Jul 18 17:59:51 i'll get one then and see if i can figure out how to make it boot straight into a web browser and not let the user do anything else. Jul 18 18:00:00 for the 770 you get a different button press if it recognizes a "Thumb" Jul 18 18:00:17 (approximately) Jul 18 18:00:20 hmmm... that's interesting. Jul 18 18:00:35 sorry, consistency isn't a strong point Jul 18 18:00:37 so it can sort of tell the difference between a stylus touch and a thumb touch? Jul 18 18:00:52 w/ fairly high accuracy yeah Jul 18 18:00:57 cool Jul 18 18:01:18 well, it got worse w/ 4.2007 to deal w/ cases where stylus wouldn't work at all Jul 18 18:01:24 but i think you shouldn't know Jul 18 18:01:56 shouldn't know what? Jul 18 18:02:20 s/know/notice/ thoughto? Jul 18 18:02:29 ok Jul 18 18:04:12 i've googled and searched on maemo, but can't find any really good and definitive answers on how to create a "kiosk mode" for the 770/800. Is there some resource I"m not finding, or is it not possible? Jul 18 18:04:39 i just want it to run the web browser only in full screen and not allow the user to do anything else. Jul 18 18:05:14 well, you would basically replace the home app, it shouldn't be too hard Jul 18 18:05:46 the only big thing is that home is lifeguarded, so you'll have to make sure you do it right, otherwise your device will reboot a lot until it bricks to save it from continuously rebooting Jul 18 18:05:55 i think that's right :) Jul 18 18:06:23 tauren. i think that the real question is how to do that on a normal linux box . then learn to disable the watchdog Jul 18 18:06:36 ok, thats good to hear. i don't have one yet but am 99% sure that I'll use it as my platform. Just trying to answer some questions in advance. Jul 18 18:06:53 good point keesj Jul 18 18:07:41 i wouldn't recommend disabling watchdog Jul 18 18:07:46 the 770 is so cheap right now. is there any reason to go for the 800 instead if all i'm doing is running the web browser only? Jul 18 18:07:51 you want the watchdog to watch over your kiosk app Jul 18 18:08:12 i guarantee you no support from nokia if you buy 770s :) Jul 18 18:08:28 it's rare that you'd ever see me make any guarantee :) Jul 18 18:08:33 so that's why its so cheap. nokia said "get rid of them..." :) Jul 18 18:09:14 fairly typical, yes. if you're planning a deployment and don't need a low grade camera or stereo speakers, yes, the 770s should do nicely Jul 18 18:09:54 thanks timeless, very helpful info Jul 18 18:09:58 note that you're probably going to get to build the browser yourself, and atm the browser doesn't come w/ ui source, so you might end up build ing a different one Jul 18 18:10:49 doesn't it come with opera? and isn't there a mozila/minimo version for it? Jul 18 18:11:03 oops, spelled that wrong. Jul 18 18:11:06 770 comes w/ opera8, n800 comes w/ opera8.5 Jul 18 18:11:44 there was an old build of minimo for the 770, but i believe the people working on it stopped worrying about 770 Jul 18 18:11:52 not certain but.. Jul 18 18:11:53 do you know if it is hard to hide all toolbars, etc. and have browser in fullscreen always? I don't want users to be able to go anywhere except one website. Jul 18 18:12:17 it's trivial w/ minimo, and if the browser ui is open sourced, that'd be trivial too Jul 18 18:12:39 * sp3000 grumbles Jul 18 18:12:48 * sp3000 wants google reader's left pane to go hide Jul 18 18:13:36 hmm... why is the ui not os? Jul 18 18:14:53 the ui isn#? Jul 18 18:15:00 thought it was an x server Jul 18 18:15:06 xepyr i think Jul 18 18:15:34 referring to browser's ui Jul 18 18:16:21 ah Jul 18 18:16:42 oh yeah, another question. Can the 770 be charged while it is sitting in its case, or does the case cover the ports on the bottom? Jul 18 18:17:39 tauren_: please don't ask. it's not necessarily a policy decision, it could be a pragmatic thing, it might appear tomorrow or a year from now, don't speculate, just be happy a browser appeared Jul 18 18:18:08 ok... ;) Jul 18 18:18:23 i'm certainly not complaining, just curious... Jul 18 18:21:09 thoughtfix: ping Jul 18 18:31:18 does anyone know of other good 770 sites apart from this 1 for apps ? Jul 18 18:38:52 ok.. i have two questions today :) 1) where can i find a samba server for the N800 please and 2) Is it possible to query the battery life/charge from the command line? Jul 18 18:46:40 The second I can answer in the affirmative. Jul 18 18:47:35 timeless: poke poke... Jul 18 18:47:56 poke Jul 18 18:48:06 Ah :) Jul 18 18:48:53 * timeless nods Jul 18 18:52:42 * timeless shrugs Jul 18 18:52:46 works well enough for me Jul 18 18:52:51 oops, wrong window Jul 18 18:57:50 timeless: Did you still want me to test something? Jul 18 18:57:59 not sure about test Jul 18 18:58:22 http://webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 Jul 18 18:58:45 has my notes for people silly enough to try to run microb on 3.2007-10 :^) Jul 18 18:59:27 actually, half of it requires 4.2007 Jul 18 19:02:08 hehe, yeah that is tough.. I haven't had corruption on my MMC cards with the latest firmware, so it isn't a problem for me. Jul 18 19:07:07 timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1175 I think you need to unhide the documentation section :) Jul 18 19:07:19 eh?! Jul 18 19:08:08 Well, I don't see a documentation section for the browser project ;) Jul 18 19:08:24 um, it's a link from the browser page Jul 18 19:08:40 at least, i'm assuming that's what he means Jul 18 19:08:43 maybe i'm wrong Jul 18 19:09:11 Yeah, for you project admins, it is :) Jul 18 19:10:29 https://garage.maemo.org/docman/?group_id=107 Jul 18 19:10:41 Error This project has turned off the Doc Manager Jul 18 19:10:59 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 18 19:11:02 click Documentation Jul 18 19:11:09 see 4 Jul 18 19:11:31 Ah, the website itself :) Was looking on the garage project page. As the news is published there.. Jul 18 19:11:46 how do i turn off comments on news items? Jul 18 19:11:57 i'm pissed that two people decided to use my news item to file bug reports Jul 18 19:12:03 even though it clearly said use bugs.maemo.org Jul 18 19:12:10 on garage or maemo.org? Jul 18 19:12:16 garage Jul 18 19:12:39 Not sure if you can control that 'feature'. Jul 18 19:12:58 did i mention hating gforge every day i'm forced to use it? Jul 18 19:13:44 how the **** do i enable doc admin? Jul 18 19:14:10 * timeless gives up and promotes self to admin of project Jul 18 19:14:38 Hehe Jul 18 19:15:11 so, i'm probably going to try to *delete* the trackers that it has Jul 18 19:15:46
Jul 18 19:15:46 Warning: Missing argument 9 for setup() in /usr/lib/gforge/common/tracker/ArtifactFactory.class on line 97
Jul 18 19:15:46 artifact_id Jul 18 19:15:53 that's anice csv file Jul 18 19:16:11 except um, last i checked csv files weren't supposed to contain xhtml Jul 18 19:17:51 timeless: I don't have access on that box, so I can't help you there. Jul 18 19:21:54 Aloha! Jul 18 19:24:13 Awesome bug on the new mozilla: after entering a password (where it asterisk-blanks) every text entry field after that will be asterisk-blanked, too Jul 18 19:25:01 user__: Hehe, nice one. Can you please file a bug for that? Jul 18 19:26:19 Do some more testing after I get home from work. Jul 18 19:26:39 GAN800_: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800 -> Browser (Mozilla engine) Jul 18 19:27:03 x-fade: erm Jul 18 19:27:16 please see the bug where i wrote the detailed how to file a bug Jul 18 19:27:21 and please give that out instead Jul 18 19:27:44 timeless: url? Jul 18 19:27:53 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1672#c2 Jul 18 19:28:04 note especially the bug filing link that i give is the one i want people to use Jul 18 19:28:09 it'll prefill the component Jul 18 19:28:35 but it will more importantly force them to think about their bug and hopefully file better bugs Jul 18 19:28:48 Cool, thanks. Jul 18 19:29:09 x-fade: btw.... Jul 18 19:29:15 we can't reproduce the set engine stuff Jul 18 19:29:17 You involved in the engine porting, timeless? Jul 18 19:29:26 I am looking for the old os2005 version of dropbear Jul 18 19:29:27 timeless: the hw selection in the guided form is a bit ...interesting Jul 18 19:29:39 sp3000: um... Jul 18 19:29:45 it seemscurrently only a os2006 version is availible Jul 18 19:29:49 lol Jul 18 19:29:55 i suppose i should file a bug Jul 18 19:30:04 has anybody got the old .deb? Jul 18 19:30:29 especially since they're all wrong :) Jul 18 19:30:36 :) Jul 18 19:30:36 Why not upgrade, blkhawk? Jul 18 19:30:39 os too Jul 18 19:32:06 GAN800: iam unsure if my device will run with differentbootloaders Jul 18 19:32:18 I need to check first if they are vanilla 2005 Jul 18 19:32:28 and for that i need to dump them somehow Jul 18 19:32:30 timeless: Does your N800 have the engine selection by default when installing on a clean N800? Jul 18 19:32:55 the n770 i have is a old prototype Jul 18 19:33:04 I nearly bricked t once today already Jul 18 19:33:17 x-fade: talk to sp3000 Jul 18 19:33:36 X-Fade: I did have it Jul 18 19:34:59 timeless: Did you update the version yesterday? I downloaded it before the official announcement? Jul 18 19:35:29 you did *what*?! Jul 18 19:36:13 Well, I downloaded the browser before it got posted on maemo.org at least.. Jul 18 19:36:29 maemo.org? Jul 18 19:36:46 When your website wasn't opera compatible yet.. Jul 18 19:38:40 blkhawk: the repository the old wiki applicationcatalog points to doesn't resolve Jul 18 19:38:58 sp3000: i know Jul 18 19:39:08 thats my problem Jul 18 19:39:08 but there's an openssh link that does hit a deb Jul 18 19:39:46 well - I will go with that - tho dropbear probably has the smallerfootprint Jul 18 19:41:43 I wanted it to becomeroot Jul 18 19:42:33 sp3000: Bug 1690 Submitted Jul 18 19:43:05 * sp3000 is momentarily confused Jul 18 19:43:20 * sp3000 needs to knife chatzilla into linking to the right bugzilla here Jul 18 19:44:15 heh Jul 18 19:44:19 https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800&component=Browser%20(Mozilla%20Engine)&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux Jul 18 19:44:23 that link should work a bit better Jul 18 19:47:49 * sp3000 hits an ambiguous parse tree at Mozilla based browser for maemo related bugs Jul 18 19:48:17 heh, where did you run into that? Jul 18 19:48:27 component desc Jul 18 19:48:45 file a bug :) Jul 18 19:49:20 components shouldn't have "bugs" at that part of the description :( Jul 18 19:49:40 most either start or end with it atm Jul 18 19:50:10 nice Jul 18 19:50:13 HTTP ERROR: 404 Jul 18 19:50:15 Not Found Jul 18 19:50:34 RequestURI=/mgp/events/770tableteer/770/discover/an add filtering solution Jul 18 19:50:42 {Powered by Jetty://} Jul 18 19:50:54 I think Nokia have figured out I've got an N800. I've not had an email from them in years .. Jul 18 19:51:02 Forum Nokia this is .. Jul 18 19:51:12 that's from http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/770/discover/... Jul 18 19:51:37 Eh? Jul 18 19:52:05 i clicked on the tableteer bookmark on my 770 Jul 18 19:52:12 and there was a link to "Fakeweb" Jul 18 19:52:21 i clicked it and got that nice pretty 404 Jul 18 19:54:50 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. Jul 18 19:56:44 ok, an update on my n800 service request for any who listen..... Jul 18 19:57:30 in May a bought a new n800. it was defective out of the box. I called Nokia who said they would "repair or replace it" if I shipped it to them *at my expense* Jul 18 19:58:18 So I did so (with trackig number). They got it May 9th. on May 15th they post an update on the web site saying it is "awaiting parts" Jul 18 19:58:32 it's been "awaiting" ever since. Jul 18 19:58:59 It appears that for over 2 months they have been trying to find a replacement unit to send me and have not been able to obtain one. Jul 18 19:59:22 no word from them. no phone calls, no emails, etc. Jul 18 19:59:45 all I got from them was "it's awaiting parts" Jul 18 20:00:05 now I call, and insist that is not good enough. (crazy me!) Jul 18 20:00:34 so I get the story about how the repair group does not have *even one* n800 *anywhere* in the US to send me. Jul 18 20:01:02 <||cw> i would have taken it back to the store if ti was defective out of the box Jul 18 20:01:06 I'm floored. I think I'm in some bizzaro-world. Jul 18 20:01:18 ||cw: the "store" was a web site. Jul 18 20:01:31 I could not find one in any local store. Jul 18 20:01:42 <||cw> I'd still try Jul 18 20:02:01 nokia agreed with me that it was defective out of the box. Jul 18 20:02:19 and still, 2.5 months with no replacement or repair. Jul 18 20:03:35 anyhow. after much insisting, they have offered to refund my money if I send them a copy of my printed sales receipt. .... you get the irony? it's an online purchase. there was no printed sales receipt. Jul 18 20:03:50 anyone know where i can download x-chat from for the 770? Jul 18 20:03:53 did you get an online one, print it out? Jul 18 20:03:59 so um Jul 18 20:04:00 http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=131118 Jul 18 20:04:12 someone was asking about publishing bugs from nokia's bug databse into bugs.maemo Jul 18 20:04:16 that article is worth a read Jul 18 20:04:21 specifically 2.1.1 Jul 18 20:04:42 guru3: yes. I need to find the email receipt. print it ... and then fax it to them. they will not take an email submission. Jul 18 20:04:58 i'm glad my 770 worked Jul 18 20:05:00 course the fax address is long distance for me, so I need to pay for that too. Jul 18 20:05:23 i wonder how long it will take them to fix my 770 Jul 18 20:05:33 why do half the arm.debs i want to install fail with the error "component is already installed" Jul 18 20:05:35 ? Jul 18 20:05:36 over all, on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd give them a 2. everyone I talked to was polite, they juse were not helpful. Jul 18 20:05:46 s/juse/just/ Jul 18 20:05:46 TimRiker meant: over all, on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd give them a 2. everyone I talked to was polite, they just were not helpful. Jul 18 20:06:22 what country was your n800 made in? Jul 18 20:06:23 well thank you infobot - i would not have figured that out Jul 18 20:06:32 so a word to the wise. hope that you never, ever, never, ever have to get your n800/770 serviced. Jul 18 20:07:08 guru3: dunno. as I've not seen it for 2.5 months now. how would I know if I could see it? Jul 18 20:07:24 the box should say i think Jul 18 20:07:41 * Sulis looks at her box... Jul 18 20:07:47 the label with the barcodes Jul 18 20:08:03 yeah, it does indeed Jul 18 20:08:07 inside the battery on other units shows "made in korea" Jul 18 20:08:59 are there some problem units from some country? Jul 18 20:09:04 that's my dad's theory Jul 18 20:09:09 my 770 was made in germany and it's fine Jul 18 20:09:13 on the phone with nokia I can check the status of the repair on my "phone" my entering the "cellular number of the phone in question" Jul 18 20:09:22 my mom's e70 was made in finland and is fine Jul 18 20:09:31 my dad's 6321 was made in like estonia and is not fine Jul 18 20:09:42 timriker: heh Jul 18 20:10:07 my n800 was made in finland and it's fine...so far Jul 18 20:10:29 why shouldn't estonia be fine? Jul 18 20:10:39 well i can't remember which country it was exactly Jul 18 20:10:40 let me ask Jul 18 20:10:45 timeless: all the RMA forms _require_ entering the device's "cell phone number" and "cellular provider" Jul 18 20:10:58 ah, pardon me Jul 18 20:11:01 6131 made in hungary Jul 18 20:11:29 aparently the camera, radio, and vibrator have been having problems Jul 18 20:11:39 like it was shipped with a dead radio Jul 18 20:11:48 now how the hell do you let that happen out of a factory Jul 18 20:12:17 do they actually test the units? Jul 18 20:12:25 i would hope Jul 18 20:12:29 you know, QC and all Jul 18 20:12:38 i'd think that would be a long task and i doubt that they do Jul 18 20:12:51 probably they test a random sample from each batch Jul 18 20:12:55 hmm Jul 18 20:12:58 so now I've had the opportunity spend $21 or so in shipping and long distance charges to have the privilege of loaning Nokia my $375 plus tax for 2.5 months (so far) Jul 18 20:13:38 yeah that sucks Jul 18 20:15:09 contrast this with HPs support. I had an iPaq that died out of warranty during an OS upgrade. They next-day-air me a replacement with a self addresses pre-paid label to return the old one. Jul 18 20:15:30 :O now that is good Jul 18 20:15:39 Nokia desperately needs a clue or 20. Jul 18 20:16:34 Nokia: I'm out $20 and never did get what I paid for. HP: I'm out nothing, and back up and running in less than 24 hours. Jul 18 20:16:51 watrs the best way to watch a video on ur 770 ? Jul 18 20:16:52 :) Jul 18 20:17:16 Ceg: my an ipaq, and sit it on top of the 770. Jul 18 20:17:20 TimRiker: why can't they just send you a new n800? Jul 18 20:17:30 :| Jul 18 20:17:45 Sulis: they have "been looking for one" for over 2 months now and claim they can't find one. Jul 18 20:18:33 well that's blatantly rubbish Jul 18 20:18:34 Ceg: just kidding... there are lots of options, I'm just not in a pro-Nokia mood. :/ Jul 18 20:19:04 Sulis: apparently they have no way to transfer even one unit from the sales channel over to the repair group. Jul 18 20:19:32 ...uh...what a stupid business model... Jul 18 20:19:38 They expect me to believe that (at least in the last 2 months) they have not replaced a single n800 in the entire US. Jul 18 20:21:05 * TimRiker reconnects.... Jul 18 20:23:37 Maybe I'm being thick here, but where are these documents? https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1175 Jul 18 20:24:03 rather, where is the presentation that is supposed to be in the "Documentation" section? :) Jul 18 20:24:03 Woo! The last hildon widget! Jul 18 20:26:10 milhouse: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agarage.maemo.org+GUADEC+2007 Jul 18 20:26:38 Ah.... Jul 18 20:26:44 thanks sp3000 :) Jul 18 20:26:50 So I was being thick Jul 18 20:27:20 milhouse: I can't figure out how to navigate from the gforge announcement to the document either :) Jul 18 20:28:21 ok - summary -> project home page -> doc Jul 18 20:28:46 indeed... I was thinking the "Documentation" section was a section within Garage itself! Jul 18 20:30:36 milhouse: Hehe, I had the same problem an hour ago :) Jul 18 20:31:02 I'm looking forward to the Modest GUADEC presentation slides Jul 18 20:31:43 The news item really means. Go to the brower homepage website. Go to the documentation section there.. ;) Jul 18 20:32:14 Would have been silly to give a direct link of course. Jul 18 20:32:44 And now Ruby (Hildon Widgets) is done :) Jul 18 20:37:32 interesting that Cairo has been dropped from the Maemo Mozilla browser... I guess it was dropped for performance (or memory footprint) reasons? I wonder if it will appear in a future version on N800 Jul 18 20:42:31 milhouse: Yeah, probably due to performance issues. Although next maemo version will have gtk 2.10 + cairo? Jul 18 20:43:35 It would be a shame not to have Cairo on the tablets - the Cairo guys seem to have spent a huge amount of time optimising performance Jul 18 20:44:53 cairo perforamnce is abysmal Jul 18 20:45:02 milhouse: The indt guys alreay packaged it.. Jul 18 20:45:49 timeless: shame :( Jul 18 20:45:51 timeless: Did you try with 1.4.x versions? Jul 18 20:46:13 it's abysmal Jul 18 20:46:23 cairo assumes non sucky X Jul 18 20:46:38 770/n800 don't have that Jul 18 20:47:09 put another way, the Mozilla based browser for maemo is not based on cairo. we wasted months undoing the Gecko => cairo transition in order to have something we could ship Jul 18 20:47:13 all because of speed. Jul 18 20:47:31 believe me we had people who tried all sorts of things to make cairo speed not suck Jul 18 20:47:45 and believe me, i don't approve of wasting time backporting away from cairo Jul 18 20:47:53 timeless: do you think the x problems can be solved? Jul 18 20:48:07 replace the x server with nvidia's? sure Jul 18 20:48:19 i know the N800 video hadrdware has some bandwidth issues Jul 18 20:48:36 otherwise? provide some hackers to write non sucky cairo only caching impls of things Jul 18 20:48:47 so it's not a hardware issue, purely software? i'm not an expert on x so don't know what other options are available Jul 18 20:48:51 i don't think it's impossible. but it seems fairly clear nokia won't be doing it Jul 18 20:49:02 Gecko works fine using Gtk2 Jul 18 20:49:07 Gecko is slow using Cairo Jul 18 20:49:11 same Gecko Jul 18 20:49:13 Same X Jul 18 20:49:17 different path Jul 18 20:49:19 Cairo is stupid Jul 18 20:49:42 cairo asks X to do things repeatedly instead of doing it itself once and keeping the answer and giving X fewer instructions Jul 18 20:49:58 note: if X is better, there's no problem Jul 18 20:50:03 X won't be better. Jul 18 20:50:12 so it's not really an X problem...? Jul 18 20:50:22 just the way Cairo works? Jul 18 20:50:23 X isn't fixable Jul 18 20:50:32 smashing. :( Jul 18 20:50:36 nvidia's X server/driver is good Jul 18 20:50:42 ATI's X server/driver is bad Jul 18 20:50:54 the one in nokia n800 is probably worse than ATI's Jul 18 20:51:02 hmm.. not much chance of getting Nvidia x server to work on an N800! ;) Jul 18 20:51:09 <||cw> it's frame buffer isn't it? Jul 18 20:51:12 you aren't going to improve the hardware of the n800 xserver Jul 18 20:51:26 and you aren't going to be able to make the software implement more features smarter Jul 18 21:07:15 hi. is there a working repository for the osso-xterm? Jul 18 21:07:40 the stuff under http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/o/osso-xterm/ is slightly broken, it seems. Jul 18 21:09:15 maemo hackers Jul 18 21:09:50 maemo hackers is broken as well, it seems. their trac is trashed :) Jul 18 21:11:52 Urgh .. Jul 18 21:12:11 How to write API docs. Jul 18 21:15:29 Am I right in thinking there's a tool to take snapshots of the desktop in the Maemo SDK? Jul 18 21:20:53 hi Jul 18 21:42:04 Sneak peek of Ruby-Maemo http://alterego.freeshell.org/projects/ruby-maemo/examples Jul 18 21:47:10 timeless: any idea if tabs will be supported by Maemo Mozilla in future? Or is this an issue with the Browser UI/EAL thang? Jul 18 21:50:08 * thoughtfix wanders back Jul 18 21:50:25 milhouse: I imagine it's Browser UI Jul 18 21:50:45 lo Jul 18 21:50:50 howdoes oneedit the menu? Jul 18 21:51:11 blkhawk: Which menu? Jul 18 21:51:21 the app menu Jul 18 21:51:37 Jaffa: thought it might be... tabs would be good, might even work with Opera too Jul 18 21:51:58 blkhawk: In Control Panel somewhere Jul 18 21:52:08 Navigation Jul 18 21:52:13 Hmm, my N800 was on 3 bars 2 hours ago, now the battery's flat. Jul 18 21:52:38 <||cw> 3 bars of 4? that's about right Jul 18 21:52:52 what has it been doing for the last 2 hours? Jul 18 21:53:04 :) Jul 18 21:53:25 milhouse: nothing - less than it's been doing all day. No software running, just sat in soft-power off like most of the day (and yesterday). Jul 18 21:53:44 top? Jul 18 21:53:44 <_Monkey> top is probably the Status Bar Jul 18 21:53:54 forget top Jul 18 21:53:54 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot top Jul 18 21:56:17 anyone have a working repo with the e2fsprogs, etc? Jul 18 21:56:53 like, a working maemo.org repo. :/ Jul 18 21:57:17 http://repository.maemo.org bora free ? Jul 18 21:58:01 I'm using mistral for my 770. it's bora just more recent stuff, or is it for the 800? Jul 18 21:58:13 bora is OS 2007 Jul 18 21:58:23 ah, ok. I'm only OS2006. Jul 18 21:58:29 not sure about OS 2006... some of the repositories seem to have gone tits up Jul 18 21:58:44 yeah, the stuff is listed but trying to download it results in 404. Jul 18 21:58:49 have you tried gregale? Jul 18 21:58:52 trying to do the stuff to boot from MMC :) Jul 18 21:59:16 seems to be a caching issue of some sort (wonders what mods are in the nokia apache) Jul 18 21:59:22 * thoughtfix hates his job Jul 18 21:59:28 anyone looking for a ... um ... a thoughtfix? Jul 18 21:59:46 will there be more official 2006 updates? or do nokia not love 2006 anymore :) Jul 18 22:00:02 tuntimred: no more OS 2006 updates Jul 18 22:00:20 timtimred: OS 2007HE is your best bet from now on Jul 18 22:00:27 hmm, will the navcore stuff work with the 2007HE ? Jul 18 22:00:54 maybe, nobody will know for sure until more work is done on it. good chance it will Jul 18 22:01:05 should be another release in a few weeks Jul 18 22:01:14 I haven't.minope, I've not tried gregale. what's the difference between that and mistrel? Jul 18 22:01:21 if it does i'd install it for sure Jul 18 22:01:27 s/garbage/fixed beginning of sentance/ Jul 18 22:02:05 hey.. anyone has a bt headset?.. Jul 18 22:02:48 I have several Jul 18 22:02:55 from the os 2007he work fine on the 770 ? Jul 18 22:02:56 But bluetooth audio isn't included ... Jul 18 22:03:00 OS 2006... Mistral (Maemo 2.0), Scirocco (Maemo 2.1), Gregale (Maemo 2.2) Jul 18 22:03:18 thoughtfix oh.. :( werent there a bounty for it? Jul 18 22:03:28 milhouse how would u find out which 1 of them u have ? Jul 18 22:03:32 is there a repository for the kernel sources plus patches? Jul 18 22:03:36 Ceg: Yes, works pretty good Jul 18 22:03:37 now the we have sip.. earphones are more necesary.. :P Jul 18 22:04:14 Ceg: Go to Control Panel -> About Product and look at Version Jul 18 22:04:42 Some people hacked bluetooth audio to work Jul 18 22:04:45 but it's not installable yet Jul 18 22:05:04 milhouse: thanks, gregale seems to be working :) Jul 18 22:05:11 cool :) Jul 18 22:06:13 evening Jul 18 22:06:22 i've got the os 2006 3.2006.49-2 watever that means Jul 18 22:06:32 damn... I can't recall where my N800 is! Jul 18 22:06:35 that's the latest available OS 2006 firmware Jul 18 22:08:25 oh thats good then Jul 18 22:08:26 :D Jul 18 22:08:43 so if i wanna update to os 2007 is it safe ? Jul 18 22:09:03 and if i don't like it for watever reason can i reflash back to 2006 ? Jul 18 22:11:28 Ceg: Yes and yes Jul 18 22:12:10 totally safe, just reflash back to OS 2006 using the flasher or Windows Software Updater (tell it where to find the image on your PC) Jul 18 22:12:38 firmware? Jul 18 22:12:38 <_Monkey> somebody said firmware was available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com Jul 18 22:13:30 thoughtfix, you happend to remember any url about that hacket bt audio support?... osund interesting.. Jul 18 22:13:47 killfill: google "kagu maemo" Jul 18 22:13:58 _Monkey: kagu? Jul 18 22:13:58 <_Monkey> well, kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu Jul 18 22:14:06 there you go :) Jul 18 22:14:30 I only heard about it in here, killfill Jul 18 22:14:59 * Jaffa beds Jul 18 22:15:26 A2DP <-- that how its tecnically named? Jul 18 22:15:32 Yup Jul 18 22:15:34 (bt audio/mic i mean) Jul 18 22:15:38 ahá Jul 18 22:15:41 thank. Jul 18 22:15:46 not sure about mic - but deffo stereo audio Jul 18 22:16:15 * Jaffa is seriously tempted by some BT headphones now, albeit they're probably really expensive. Jul 18 22:16:37 all righy Jul 18 22:20:01 how can i install flashplayer 7 on the 770? Jul 18 22:20:13 it comes as standard Jul 18 22:20:20 nothing to install Jul 18 22:20:43 well i can get the TVersity to work its asking me to install it thats y i asked Jul 18 22:21:08 2 options: bad flash detection, or it needs flash 8 or flash 9 Jul 18 22:21:24 what url? Jul 18 22:22:08 mt internal ip Jul 18 22:22:09 lol Jul 18 22:22:11 my* Jul 18 22:23:09 doesn't matter am of 2 sleep now Jul 18 22:23:17 let me try accessing my TVersity with N800 (Flash 9) Jul 18 22:24:04 hm.. it looks like cliente should specifically select the a2dp device.. Jul 18 22:24:16 dont know if the sip client will be able to do it.. Jul 18 22:24:34 Ceg: looks like it might be working, perhaps TVersity needs > 7? Jul 18 22:24:56 bloody slow though - currently maxing out the cpu on my n800 Jul 18 22:25:09 and still nothing to show for it Jul 18 22:26:07 gonna have to kill the browser... :( Jul 18 22:29:25 "Now all we need is a graphical player like canola that will start a2dpd for us, allow us to choose our output device (a2dp,headphones,or speakers" Jul 18 22:29:38 cannot i do this witha config file?.. Jul 18 22:31:07 hm.. /etc/asound.conf doesnt exst.. Jul 18 22:32:27 u create it Jul 18 22:42:58 Jaffa: you mean "music" headphones? or "phone"? Jul 18 22:43:05 hm.. http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA <--- that packgaes doesnt seem to work with os2007.. :S Jul 18 22:43:42 definately worked with 3.2007 Jul 18 22:44:10 i had it working for a few days before i blew it away with 4.2007, and i haven't tried since Jul 18 22:46:00 wired.. the gui could not install it.. Jul 18 22:48:01 think i used dpkg Jul 18 22:48:11 yup Jul 18 22:50:09 milhouse: should i see the thing in /proc/asound/cards ?.. Jul 18 22:50:18 errrrr.... Jul 18 22:51:04 no idea, i just followed the instructions as best i could and eventually got it working... any impression i've given that i understand how it all works is a complete lie Jul 18 22:51:16 jaja.. Jul 18 22:51:22 :) Jul 18 22:51:25 :) Jul 18 22:56:07 :S Jul 18 22:56:25 Unknown PCM a2dpd2 Jul 18 22:59:08 errr Jul 18 22:59:09 A2DPD[18:56:21.974]: main_loop: (errno=98:Address already in use)Cannot get UNIX socket Jul 18 22:59:43 do i have some kind of strace or something like that? :P Jul 18 22:59:51 * killfill thinking loud Jul 18 23:00:51 what does your .asoundrc look like? Jul 18 23:01:10 pcm.a2dpd2 { type a2dpd } Jul 18 23:01:49 ok... and you added your BT address to .a2dprc? Jul 18 23:01:57 yup Jul 18 23:02:41 rebooted? Jul 18 23:02:52 hm.. actually i get this A2DPD[18:59:42.610]: init_ipc: (errno=2:No such file or directory)Selected IPC: unix, addr=127.0.0.1, bcst=127.0.0.255, port=21453 Jul 18 23:02:55 yup Jul 18 23:02:59 didnt worked Jul 18 23:03:44 both .a2dprc and .asoundrc are in /home/user? Jul 18 23:04:39 yup.. well actually a2dpd works now. (was executing it as root.. :P) Jul 18 23:04:57 avrcp_new: Listening for AVRCP on socket 11 Jul 18 23:05:04 ah... thank goodness the instructions say to execute as non-root user :) Jul 18 23:05:26 oh... i think i missread it.. :P Jul 18 23:11:59 milhouse: are your phones stereo? Jul 18 23:12:10 yes Jul 18 23:12:42 ah..mine looks not. maybe thats why its not working?.. Jul 18 23:12:57 don't know about that Jul 18 23:15:23 do you hear any audio at all? Jul 18 23:15:28 nope Jul 18 23:15:40 does mplayer play, or die? Jul 18 23:16:06 nope.. it keeps sending things to the a2dpd program.. but its showing a wired log.. Jul 18 23:16:10 letme reboot this again. Jul 18 23:16:32 i mean.. a2dpd is shoing the wired log, not mplayer Jul 18 23:16:56 could be a problem with 4.2007... Jul 18 23:16:59 worked with 3.2007 Jul 18 23:18:27 Hi! I just upgraded my N800. I no longer have gst-launch. Is this my fault? Jul 18 23:18:46 seebs: yes Jul 18 23:19:01 Waaaah. Jul 18 23:19:08 :) Jul 18 23:19:30 Is there an easy way to regain it? I am doing an article on the N800, only it got delayed long enough that there was an update, and now my old instructions don't work. Jul 18 23:19:41 where did you get gst-launch prior to the upgrade, can't you just re-download it? Jul 18 23:20:00 I am vaguely of the impression that it was loaded automatically, but I could be hallucinating. Jul 18 23:20:14 don't think it was Jul 18 23:20:37 is this something to do with gstreamer? Jul 18 23:20:45 I have an article I wrote something like six months ago, which implied that I didn't have to do something special to get it... And I don't see gstreamer in any of my repositories (repository.maemo.org bora free non-free, maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main) Jul 18 23:20:47 Yes. Jul 18 23:21:10 I could have downloaded gstreamer and forgotten that I did it, in which case, my instructions were always wrong. Jul 18 23:21:17 :S Jul 18 23:21:18 dammit Jul 18 23:21:50 gst-launch definately not part of 3.2007 - just checked a device still running that firmware Jul 18 23:21:54 Huh. apt-cache search gstreamer shows a lot of stuff that doesn't show up in Application Manager. Should they be that different? Jul 18 23:21:55 A2DPD[19:16:45.613]: main: (errno=9:Bad file descriptor)a2dpd addr=00:03:89:FC:77:AB timer=0 us [Jun 9 2007 00:16:41] Jul 18 23:21:59 :( Jul 18 23:22:08 red pill maybe? Jul 18 23:22:11 app manager is sanitisied for end user satisfaction Jul 18 23:22:16 Well, damn. I guess I downloaded something, then didn't remember that I'd done so. Bad behavior on my part. Jul 18 23:22:18 Okay. Jul 18 23:22:49 killfill... i think you need to check with trevarthan for the status of a2dp on 4.2007 Jul 18 23:23:00 my n800 has arrived! Jul 18 23:23:07 Thank you, sorry to waste your time with what was, in fact, a genuine stupid question. Jul 18 23:23:08 welcome to the club Jul 18 23:23:14 accept(65537, ptrace: umoven: Input/output error :S Jul 18 23:23:20 alas, there is already a snag :> Jul 18 23:23:22 All those people who say there's no such thing as a stupid question, all I have to say is, they never worked tech support. Jul 18 23:23:37 trevarthan is the man who wried the page? Jul 18 23:23:46 trevarthan: ping Jul 18 23:23:53 snag?! heh Jul 18 23:23:53 killfill - yes Jul 18 23:24:12 the application manager will not seem to access the maemo repository! Jul 18 23:24:23 it only accesses the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ Jul 18 23:24:36 extra is broken, have to remove that one Jul 18 23:24:38 but http://repository.maemo.org/ gets nothing Jul 18 23:24:47 i.e. just free and non-free? Jul 18 23:24:51 yep Jul 18 23:24:52 or remove /extras/? Jul 18 23:25:14 disable /extras/, check the other Maemo repos for extras and remove that part Jul 18 23:25:27 milhouse: hes name is jesse? Jul 18 23:25:37 you can check tools > Log and see where it's failing Jul 18 23:25:56 Radar: works now! thanks! Jul 18 23:25:58 look so.. Jul 18 23:25:59 kind of annoying.. it should just skip that repo if it fails Jul 18 23:26:00 killfill: we aren't on first name terms unfortunately. :) Jul 18 23:26:01 ill drop him an email Jul 18 23:26:07 hehe Jul 18 23:26:12 milhouse: thank for your tips! Jul 18 23:26:29 Hi, Is it possible to query the battery life/charge from the command line please? Jul 18 23:26:36 np, sorry it didn't work - when it does it's pretty awesome :) Jul 18 23:28:11 Radar: are there any bad consequences to enabling red pill? Jul 18 23:28:20 I'm installing openssh now, which I guess needs red pill mode to install Jul 18 23:28:27 nooo.... Jul 18 23:28:36 but it should be ok to just leave red pill on, right? Jul 18 23:28:39 red pill can do bad things, you don't need red pill for ssh Jul 18 23:28:54 I usually turn it off just for cleanliness of the app manager, heh Jul 18 23:29:01 to install ssh, just open xterm, sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh. job done. Jul 18 23:29:15 hm Jul 18 23:29:16 k Jul 18 23:29:21 i've never used red-pill (tried it once, didn't like it). i just use apt-get when i need to. Jul 18 23:29:44 I've only used red pill once to install some lib that an app needed Jul 18 23:29:56 need to install xterm, too, right? Jul 18 23:30:00 but now I don't know what that app was after the firmware install Jul 18 23:30:15 xterm - first thing i normally install :) swiftly followed by ssh. Jul 18 23:30:16 oh, and please tell me you flashed the new firmware before installing things, heh Jul 18 23:30:23 Radar: of course Jul 18 23:30:28 Radar: I'm a noob, not stupid ;> Jul 18 23:30:46 there's a difference? ;) Jul 18 23:30:59 otherwise you would be very angry to find yourself reinstalling everything, heh Jul 18 23:31:06 is the xterm package the one called osso-xterm? Jul 18 23:31:11 yes Jul 18 23:31:26 can you get root? Jul 18 23:31:44 if not, install becomeroot as well (or enable R&D mode, whatever is your poison) Jul 18 23:31:50 I really like the MicroB.. just waiting for someone to repackage firefox extensions Jul 18 23:32:19 how does becomeroot work? I think I have that, but I usually just sudo gainroot Jul 18 23:32:36 don't you need becomeroot for gainroot to work? Jul 18 23:32:41 it modifies the gainroot script Jul 18 23:32:43 or is it the opposite? Jul 18 23:33:05 you need becomeroot OR R&D mode enabled in order to become, er, root Jul 18 23:34:57 well named then Jul 18 23:35:05 which means it cannot be a lunix app Jul 18 23:35:24 it should be named KradXy Jul 18 23:35:53 you can become root using ssh also Jul 18 23:37:49 I open xterm, type sudo gainroot, and it tells me to enable RD mode Jul 18 23:38:08 in which case install becomeroot Jul 18 23:38:10 I couldn't find becomeroot in the application manager with redpill on Jul 18 23:38:18 apt-get install becomeroot doesn't work Jul 18 23:38:27 and sudo apt-get install becomeroot asks me for a password Jul 18 23:38:56 ah... non standard repo Jul 18 23:39:12 huh? Jul 18 23:39:16 http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user Jul 18 23:39:17 I'm using repository.maemo.org Jul 18 23:39:19 add that Jul 18 23:39:24 mistral? I'm on an n800 Jul 18 23:39:29 shouldn't that be bora? Jul 18 23:39:32 nah Jul 18 23:39:52 I can add that in the application manager, right? Jul 18 23:40:14 well maybe, try bora Jul 18 23:40:20 it seems to be present in both Jul 18 23:40:28 yes, add it in app manager Jul 18 23:40:49 procto, install gainroot Jul 18 23:42:12 installed becomeroot Jul 18 23:42:16 and now I can sudo gainroot Jul 18 23:42:17 woo Jul 18 23:42:31 cool... apt-get install ssh Jul 18 23:43:28 can anyone please tell me how to check battery level from the command line please? Jul 18 23:43:46 this is from my n800! Jul 18 23:43:48 might not be possible... dbus perhaps? Jul 18 23:47:17 rebroad: see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-April/009816.html Jul 18 23:47:54 there seems to be no real posibility Jul 18 23:50:12 is the source code for the battery applet available anywhere please, zakx? Jul 18 23:52:31 a lot of the power management stuff is closed Jul 18 23:54:12 rebroad: as far as i know it's part of the closed nokia stuff Jul 19 00:03:48 Does anyone know if it is possible to play You Tube videos and the like on the 770? Jul 19 00:04:16 not using the built in Flash, but you could try UKTUBE + mplayer Jul 19 00:04:40 UKTUBE downloads the FLV which can then be played in mplayer. Jul 19 00:05:12 OK, I'll look into that thanks. Jul 19 00:05:36 thanks for your answers milhouse and zakx Jul 19 00:05:44 np Jul 19 00:05:50 last question: anyone know where i can get a samba server for the n800 please? Jul 19 00:05:59 server? Jul 19 00:06:07 yup Jul 19 00:06:19 Try here http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ Jul 19 00:06:36 I read a threadd about that on ITT today Jul 19 00:06:49 not sure if it's a samba server or client... Jul 19 00:07:17 Well, I just tested Ruby-Maemo on a device. Jul 19 00:07:31 Startup is a little slow but it runs okay. :D Jul 19 00:08:27 milhouse. i didn't see any mention of samba server on that url... Jul 19 00:08:52 (on the webpage the url pointed to) Jul 19 00:09:12 reborad: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus Jul 19 00:09:28 see where it mentions ZIP files and additional modules? Jul 19 00:09:35 pptp, nfs, cifs, fuse etc.? Jul 19 00:09:41 there _may_ be samba in there Jul 19 00:10:18 ah. i see. thanks. Jul 19 00:13:29 don't know if it's what you're looking for, but this wiki page may also be useful to you: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToAccessWindowsCIFS Jul 19 00:14:23 right i'm off... night all Jul 19 00:16:26 goodnight milhouse. and thanks Jul 19 00:35:24 Uktube worked great! Thanks Jul 19 00:36:19 Bye Jul 19 01:31:33 http://rectum.antiville.fr/ Jul 19 01:31:35 http://rectum.antiville.fr/ Jul 19 02:24:35 So, how is everyone liking the new browser? Jul 19 02:27:37 why do these people want a samba server on their nokia Jul 19 02:27:56 Probably to make for easier syncing over wifi with a PC Jul 19 02:28:41 if they're using winblows why not just enable the share there and use a samba client on the nokia? Jul 19 02:29:34 To me, it makes sense to have the share running from the tablet Jul 19 02:29:48 the idea being that they would map the share as a network drive on the PC side Jul 19 02:30:18 and it would allow for easy dragging and dropping of media files and the like Jul 19 02:30:30 I see Jul 19 02:30:54 It's not easy for me to think like a microsoftian Jul 19 02:31:14 thanks Jul 19 02:32:02 makes it easier to transfer to a variety of windows boxes as well Jul 19 02:32:29 Well, most NIT users are probably running windows Jul 19 02:35:36 I think including samba and an easy to use GUI for it on the NIT side would make a lot of sense Jul 19 02:35:49 would make things a lot easier for the casual user Jul 19 02:36:49 I hate plugging in my USB cable or removing my SD cards when I want to plop some podcasts or something on my N800. I guess I could run rsync or something, but I am too damn lazy Jul 19 02:58:27 Rocketman: i think a samba client and browser would have made sense as part of the stock OS Jul 19 02:59:30 Yeah, I think so too Jul 19 02:59:43 I can understand them not wanting to support too broad a set of applications Jul 19 02:59:55 but basic file sharing would have been nice **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 19 02:59:58 2007