**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 19 02:59:58 2007 Jul 19 03:00:14 yeah problem is that samba client or server are bloated pigs Jul 19 03:00:18 many many megabytes Jul 19 03:00:46 maybe an older version would be smaller Jul 19 03:01:02 then you'd have people whining about LDAP support Jul 19 03:46:33 pupnik_: I just use scp over wireless to transfer files Jul 19 03:46:41 me too Jul 19 03:46:54 Rocketman should too then :-) Jul 19 03:46:54 rwhitby: btw scp -c blowfish is supposedly a faster encryption Jul 19 03:47:15 rwhitby: n800 or n770? Jul 19 03:47:16 yeah, especially with dropbear at the other end Jul 19 03:47:19 n800 Jul 19 03:47:44 ok. i get strange drops in speed with scp. starts out fast then goes down to <100kb/s, then goes back up to 300kb/s Jul 19 03:48:14 could possibly be waiting for the entropy generator Jul 19 03:48:39 we had a problem on the nslu2 early on where the entropy generator ran out of random numbers and halted any ssh traffic Jul 19 03:48:53 what is nslu2? Jul 19 03:49:24 ~google nslu2 Jul 19 03:49:26 oh a linksys Jul 19 03:49:28 yeah sorry Jul 19 03:49:51 did you get our project as the first link, above the product links? (www.nslu2-linux.org) Jul 19 03:50:24 yeas Jul 19 03:51:06 * timeless politely taps pupnik on the shoulder Jul 19 03:51:21 sir: the nokia 770 doesn't have an n in its name Jul 19 03:51:59 rhitby: heh (re entropy collector) Jul 19 03:52:38 looks like an interesting device Jul 19 04:11:31 cool, sshfs Jul 19 04:11:33 oops Jul 19 04:46:12 timeless: does that make it a "okia 770" then? Jul 19 04:49:01 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6904175.stm - and I thought Gecko glue exploited Maemo power Jul 19 04:51:28 :) Jul 19 04:52:31 Mozilla Foundation needs a Geckel project Jul 19 06:26:03 hi there! Jul 19 06:26:47 is there any helper function in libosso or something else, to know whether /media/mmc* are mounted or not? or do I have to do the full gnome_vfs thing? Jul 19 06:29:46 i suspect there's a message indicating it's mounted Jul 19 06:32:35 definitely not in libosso Jul 19 06:33:06 can you use libhildonfm? :) Jul 19 06:34:32 libhildonfm looks like what you want Jul 19 06:34:57 _HildonFileSystemSpecialLocationClass Jul 19 06:35:01 is the internal name Jul 19 06:35:20 figuring out the external name is left as an exercise (the callback is volumes_changed Jul 19 06:36:49 hrm, hildon is supposedly in gnome, right? Jul 19 06:37:06 heh Jul 19 06:39:22 colinl: how about a sys call? Jul 19 06:39:30 checking output of mount, for e.g. Jul 19 06:40:08 timeless: thanks :) Jul 19 06:40:28 pupnik_: it has the disadvantage of requiring a polling instead of having nice signalling :) Jul 19 06:40:47 ah thanks Jul 19 06:41:15 colinl: eventually there should be a public cross reference Jul 19 06:41:26 i'm just taking advantage of my internal cross reference Jul 19 06:41:33 :) Jul 19 06:41:35 i'm supposed to be given the keys for lxr.maemo.org Jul 19 06:41:44 so at some point you'll /probably/ get the same features Jul 19 06:41:52 except for a minor problem... Jul 19 06:41:52 nice to know :) Jul 19 06:42:00 hildon is hosted by gnome these days Jul 19 06:42:17 and the maemo people are banking on not having to manage their sources too Jul 19 06:42:35 which is of course stupid since it means you don't get good cross links for any hildon based code, i.e. most of it Jul 19 06:43:06 yeah... But the maemo people get less work ;-) Jul 19 06:43:16 not work, the work is trivial and i'll do it Jul 19 06:43:22 they're only saving disk space Jul 19 06:52:52 latest new hampshire poll has RP in the lead of the 2nd tier - ahead of Huckabee, Brownback, Hunter, Gilmore, Thompson Jul 19 06:53:02 oops Jul 19 06:59:34 I have a bluetooth pda/phone and I can't get my n800 to use it as a modem. It seems it only wants to talk to "phones" and not pdas/laptops/etc even if they can offer a bluetooth modem connection. ideas? Jul 19 07:01:33 timriker: there's a wiki or two near maemo.org Jul 19 07:01:44 i'd search their to see what bluetooth profiles can be made to work Jul 19 07:03:18 timeless: :) that's where I'm searching now. :) Jul 19 07:28:30 anyone tried to program in Python to use bluez? Jul 19 07:28:46 I'm trying to use dbus in Python but doesn't work Jul 19 07:41:13 ugh.. the garage svn viewer is sucky.. why are the fonts on visited links different size than not visited links? ;/ Jul 19 07:46:27 lo Jul 19 07:55:06 where can i get the kernel sources and patches from to compile a kernel and modules myself? Jul 19 08:00:22 hi at all! com.nokia.mediaplayer dbus service manage instrospect request? Jul 19 08:00:44 hello :) Jul 19 08:00:55 how can i watch youtube videos on my nokia? Jul 19 08:01:35 and what is interfaces and method of com.nokia.mediaplayer service? Jul 19 08:02:12 ? Jul 19 08:03:28 (rephrase) why can't i watch youtube/flash videos on my nokia internet tablet? Jul 19 08:05:38 evadnee: You might want to look at Uktube. Jul 19 08:07:30 anybody know what exactly needs patching in initfs to allow booting from the 2nd partition of a mm card? Jul 19 08:07:52 evadnee: konttori made an application for viewing youtube videos.. Jul 19 08:09:08 Is quilt and bc in some maemo repositories? Jul 19 08:09:08 X-Fade: oo what is it? Jul 19 08:10:09 The mozilla browser has them on build depends and apt doesn't find them.. Jul 19 08:11:18 timeless? know about those? Jul 19 08:12:15 is there a video player for the NIT that plays flv or rm files? Jul 19 08:14:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHnu94Cw59A this guy can do it? Jul 19 08:29:05 does the n800 have the same screen physical dimension as the 770 ? i would like to find a screen protection film model that works on both Jul 19 08:31:04 i think so Jul 19 08:31:29 yes, same screen Jul 19 08:32:03 evadnee: uktube and mplayer will handle most formats Jul 19 08:32:14 (taken together) Jul 19 08:32:57 yeah, uktube saves the flv from youtube then opens it in mplayer Jul 19 08:34:02 anyone tried to new browser allready ? Jul 19 08:42:01 flv is just a mp4 file - so mplayer can play it fine Jul 19 08:45:24 dpb_: I had to get them from a debian repository Jul 19 08:47:02 can someone help me with installing minimo i have the main minimo file but its asking for the runtime files and i can't get them to install :| Jul 19 08:52:59 db48x: yeah, it shouldn't be like that imo :) Jul 19 08:53:40 well Jul 19 08:53:51 those two will pull in a number of other packages Jul 19 08:54:20 and if they maintain a separate copy in their repository, it'll just add overhead with little actual benefit Jul 19 08:54:27 oh, also Jul 19 08:54:47 installing those will probably cause apt to remove a number of important packages Jul 19 08:55:53 what I did was to allow the install to proceed, then edit /var/cache/dpkg/status so that the libc6-dev package didn't list libdb1-dev as a conflict Jul 19 08:56:17 then I could reinstall the packages that had been removed Jul 19 08:57:10 so i guess its not that simple to install minimo then :| Jul 19 08:57:11 ? Jul 19 08:57:40 Ceg: dunno, perhaps nobody else here as attempted it Jul 19 08:58:07 thx radar Jul 19 08:58:13 oh Jul 19 08:58:32 also, is there a way to log into the device using ssh, then export display to another host, and relaunch hildon ? Jul 19 08:59:07 wat is it will the internal web broswer when i look a website etc.. and after so long it just close by itself for no reason anyone know y? Jul 19 09:02:12 you might go to #minimo on irc.mozilla.org and see if anyone there has installed minimo on an n800 before Jul 19 09:02:37 though there may not be anyone there at this time of night Jul 19 09:03:12 no Jul 19 09:03:18 i meant for a 770 Jul 19 09:03:19 lol Jul 19 09:03:28 well, either one Jul 19 09:03:42 I have minimo on my n800 Jul 19 09:03:53 there's a minimo project in garage Jul 19 09:04:17 is it as simple as just install it and use it ? Jul 19 09:04:31 yeah, I just went there, clicked the download, installed no problem Jul 19 09:05:02 its like i've already got the main minimo file but its asking for like libc6 etc... and thats the problem am only having with it atm Jul 19 09:05:10 and now with microb I never use it, heh Jul 19 09:05:11 maemo.org -> downloads -> keyword: minimo Jul 19 09:05:25 oh Jul 19 09:05:29 yeah Jul 19 09:05:29 lol Jul 19 09:07:46 db48x: you installed the _binary_ packages from debian repo? Jul 19 09:08:21 it says problem with installing libxt6, libice6 and libsm6 is missing Jul 19 09:10:20 morning Jul 19 09:11:26 dpb_ i've tryed it the way u said todo it but it only opens my app manager up and says updating and nothing else apart from that Jul 19 09:12:32 check tools > log in app manager to see what it's doing Jul 19 09:12:52 can i do that on a 770 Jul 19 09:14:11 well if u mean can i see anything to do with the minimo then its a no Jul 19 09:15:57 blkhawk: the nokia os update gateway has a sibling page that offers sources Jul 19 09:17:23 i've got the main minimo installf file minimo_16.8-2_armel but its asking for the libice6, libsm6, libxt6 and xlib anyone know where i can find them i have the lastest os 2006 Jul 19 09:20:49 good morning Jul 19 09:21:54 the 800 has youtube support with the new update does the 770 have it too? Jul 19 09:22:10 dpb: yeah, what db48x said sorry :) Jul 19 09:22:28 doubtful unless you use the it2007 hacker edition Jul 19 09:23:07 what? Jul 19 09:23:35 nokia pretty much ignores the 770 now Jul 19 09:24:00 oh i see Jul 19 09:24:09 whats this hacker edition you speak of? Jul 19 09:24:38 i just want to play shockwave/youtube videos on his thing because 770>iphone Jul 19 09:25:13 I don't know much about it other than it exists Jul 19 09:25:21 http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png <<< My dream successor to the N800 Jul 19 09:25:47 maybe check the 770 forum at www.internettablettalk.com? Jul 19 09:26:02 i play youtubes with mplayer on the 770 Jul 19 09:26:03 timeless: you know if there's any plans to include them in maemo repos? Jul 19 09:26:45 not really developer friendly when I gotta go get the debian sources and build the packages myself.. Jul 19 09:26:54 pupnik_: I think they'd use the nokia logo instead of yours :) Jul 19 09:28:14 is anyone in here at GUADEC? Jul 19 09:28:36 guardian: sure Jul 19 09:28:37 exit Jul 19 09:28:59 dpb_: yea Jul 19 09:29:00 timeless: will you tell me how this time ? :) Jul 19 09:31:11 db48x: getting and building from the source packages seems easier. I had no conflicts. Jul 19 09:32:12 guardian: DISPLAY=:0 af-sb-init.sh stop Jul 19 09:32:34 guardian: af-sb-init.sh start Jul 19 09:32:38 from your ssh session Jul 19 09:32:42 there is no af-sb-init.sh on the device Jul 19 09:32:47 hrm Jul 19 09:33:28 # Script for starting Maemo environment in Scratchbox. Jul 19 09:33:42 dpb_: I suspect it may have more to do with which debian version you're grabbing them from Jul 19 09:34:21 anyone know of any good media server for windows to work on the 770 / Jul 19 09:34:21 ? Jul 19 09:34:41 Ceg: windows media player 11 serves media Jul 19 09:35:06 but does it like transcode etc.. to work fine on it tho ? Jul 19 09:35:08 oh yeah, well, I grabbed them from sarge, safest.. Jul 19 09:35:10 Ceg: or you might try TVersity media player in case you don't have a genuine windows :D Jul 19 09:35:23 TVersity media server i mean Jul 19 09:35:27 maybe it even does transcode Jul 19 09:35:38 hrm Jul 19 09:35:41 maybe not Jul 19 09:35:47 lol plus TVersity does i know that but only if i could get the damn thing to work Jul 19 09:35:48 guardian: so... Jul 19 09:35:51 timeless: i tried to stop xserver but the device rebooted Jul 19 09:36:11 the device will reboot if you stop a bunch of key processes Jul 19 09:36:17 so it's not a good idea to do that :) Jul 19 09:36:34 i think you should probably just try creating a second user account on the device Jul 19 09:36:46 and using af-sb-init.sh as that user from an ssh session Jul 19 09:37:29 so you suggest i copy af-sb-init.sh to the device ? Jul 19 09:37:39 hrm Jul 19 09:37:42 osso-af-sb-startup is the package Jul 19 09:38:03 why does scratchbox use 'armel' as the architecture name, while everyone else uses 'arm' Jul 19 09:38:06 it's a fairly simple package, i'm sure it's available for arm and x86, so yeah, just install it Jul 19 09:38:14 db4x: armel!=arm Jul 19 09:38:18 arm is the old arm architecture Jul 19 09:38:23 armel is the new architecture Jul 19 09:38:24 armel is new Jul 19 09:38:30 arm was BE, armel is LE Jul 19 09:38:30 I thought as much Jul 19 09:38:37 among a bunch of other details Jul 19 09:38:48 but changing BE/LE is pretty major :) Jul 19 09:38:59 yea Jul 19 09:39:03 Major enough yes :D Jul 19 09:39:05 e.g. spidermonkey doesn't approve when you get it wrong Jul 19 09:39:28 timeless: arm was le too Jul 19 09:39:30 I've been using Qemu. It seems to work pretty well. Jul 19 09:39:34 If a little slow. Jul 19 09:39:41 lardman: um Jul 19 09:39:54 Radar: if the n900 (or whatever) doesn't have right hand side buttons and a decent dpad, i'm going to look at manufacturing a cradle for it. Jul 19 09:40:23 Meh, I don't want it to have any more buttons. :( Jul 19 09:40:38 buy an iphone. you need de buttons for gaming Jul 19 09:40:49 N800 isn't meant for gaming. Jul 19 09:40:55 timeless: fpa floating point numbers were stored BE even on LE systems, with the move to VFP the floating point numbers are stored with the same endianness Jul 19 09:41:11 http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2001-November/006141.html Jul 19 09:41:27 alterego: http://pupnik.de/Nokia970med4.png if it had these, it'd sellll morrrre Jul 19 09:41:44 Rubbish. You don't know that pupnik_ Jul 19 09:41:52 lardman: hrm, Jul 19 09:42:02 timeless: Yes, there are lots of ways to store numbers, but arm on the Nokia was LE, as was it on the Zaurus, etc. Jul 19 09:42:04 I've played tetris a bit on it but I'm not using it for games and I doubt I will ever use it for games. Jul 19 09:42:40 lardman: ok, i'll sit corrected Jul 19 09:42:41 I'd rather have a slide out keyboard Jul 19 09:42:56 i'd rather have a poney Jul 19 09:42:59 or pony Jul 19 09:43:03 not really picky Jul 19 09:43:08 timeless: I think LE was the way people wrote the code to begin with, that thread is about someone wanting to try BE. I think anyway Jul 19 09:43:10 Yeah, that would be neat. I don't like the lack of screen estate whilst using the onscreen boards. Jul 19 09:43:34 I'd like the PowerVR chip to work. Jul 19 09:43:36 What do you think sales figures on the Tablets are? Sales figures for the Nintendo DS portable were 485,000 units in *February*. Sales figures for the PSP were 176,000 for the sony PS2 in the same MONTH. Jul 19 09:44:18 alterego: Have you looked at the SDK? Jul 19 09:44:29 pupnik_, both those devices are way off what the internet tablets are. They're two completely different markets that Nokia has tried and failed to interfere with. Jul 19 09:44:48 Would Nokia be smart to release *another* tablet that's "crippled by design" for gaming? Jul 19 09:45:03 buy a psp Jul 19 09:45:04 pupnik: don't accuse nokia of being smart Jul 19 09:45:04 "crippled by design" aye? Jul 19 09:45:05 Not at all. The same people want both functions. Jul 19 09:45:06 case closed Jul 19 09:45:10 Be more imaginative. Jul 19 09:45:20 or buy a ds Jul 19 09:45:20 You wont both versions. Jul 19 09:45:24 works as well Jul 19 09:45:24 this channel is about maemo Jul 19 09:45:31 and if you really love nokia Jul 19 09:45:35 find a ngage on ebay Jul 19 09:45:38 Yes, I'm sure sony and nintendo will do a better job than nokia for games. Jul 19 09:45:39 heh Jul 19 09:45:40 you're welcome =) Jul 19 09:45:50 For starters where are all the games for the internet tablet pupnik_ ? Jul 19 09:46:05 Who's going to write all these games? Jul 19 09:46:07 http://pupnik.de of course :P Jul 19 09:46:26 and b, have you heard of emulators? Jul 19 09:46:26 Maybe you should develop your own platform then :P Jul 19 09:46:35 pupnik_, pointless Jul 19 09:46:36 nice Jul 19 09:46:51 got my root on mmc working Jul 19 09:46:54 You want to emulate another device? Jul 19 09:47:00 -_- Jul 19 09:47:10 This conversation is getting more and more pointless :P Jul 19 09:47:11 alterego: flash games! Jul 19 09:47:15 WOO! Jul 19 09:47:22 so you can have a battery life of 1-2 hours :) Jul 19 09:47:27 Heh Jul 19 09:47:31 unlike my gameboy which lasts for days Jul 19 09:47:38 and is from what, 1988 Jul 19 09:47:44 Heh Jul 19 09:48:05 Isn't Sega like part of Nokia, we want Sonic on 770/N800! Jul 19 09:48:27 In short, if Nokia were to add gay-ming buttons to the internet tablets they would lose a lot of potential business users. Jul 19 09:48:33 Nokia - Nokia and Sega to take gamers to a new level of mobile ... Jul 19 09:48:33 Nokia and Sega to take gamers to a new level of mobile interactive gaming. Jul 19 09:48:34 press.nokia.com/PR/200211/880103_5.html - Jul 19 09:48:40 Me too. There'd be no way I'd continue if they bought out a PSP. Jul 19 09:49:15 Anyhow, I actually have work to do :D Jul 19 09:49:26 ruby-maemo is coming along really nicely. Jul 19 09:49:40 timeless, yeah, I remembered wrongly, they didn't by the whole thing, just "stuff" Jul 19 09:49:41 it seems much faster - and I havent even got a better kernel yet Jul 19 09:50:16 the 3430 will be powerful enough to emulate most 8-bit consoles and run most 2D sdl games. With the DynRec CPU on dosbox it should also emulate a 386 PC. Jul 19 09:50:55 <__Nikos__> I use a static ip on n800, i can connect to the internet but i cannot ping the device. Ping works fine when i get an ip automatically Jul 19 09:51:06 With cyclone core, full-speed amiga and atari 68k will be possible. Jul 19 09:51:25 *8-16 bit consoles Jul 19 09:52:08 Sounds really boring. Jul 19 09:53:08 Amiga isn't boring Jul 19 09:53:31 plus zelda is cool - and smb3 isn't half bad either Jul 19 09:53:51 There are a lot of PSP and DS owners who are buying them for the hacked emulation Jul 19 09:53:53 yep Jul 19 09:54:06 who needs those? where have solitaire! Jul 19 09:54:14 where? Jul 19 09:54:18 I should write a guide on how to make MMC bootable with just a linuxpc Jul 19 09:54:25 * timeless thinks we don't have a grammar checker Jul 19 09:54:25 s/where/we Jul 19 09:54:41 the guides in the wiki are too OS version specific Jul 19 09:55:14 is ext3 or ext2 better as FS on the mmc? Jul 19 10:00:12 <__Nikos__> is there a firewall on n800? Jul 19 10:00:25 __Nikos__: no Jul 19 10:00:35 __Nikos__: and it usually should answer to pings Jul 19 10:01:45 <__Nikos__> blkhawk[work]: when i get an ip automatically ping, ssh etc works fine. When i use a static ip i can connect on the internet but i cannot ping Jul 19 10:03:48 __Nikos__: maybe the script that sets the ip is faulty Jul 19 10:03:57 do you have root? Jul 19 10:04:55 <__Nikos__> blkhawk[work]>: yes i have root and i set the ip from Control panel-> connectivity Jul 19 10:05:46 <__Nikos__> blkhawk[work]>: from the device i can ping other pcs not the opposite though Jul 19 10:07:45 __Nikos__: i suggest you try to see what ifconfig can tell you when you are running with DHCP and when you arent Jul 19 10:08:01 * blkhawk[work] has his own problem atm Jul 19 10:09:08 <__Nikos__> blkhawk[work]>: I've already made o quick check on that but i'll try again thanks Jul 19 10:11:22 __Nikos__: I might try to replicate your problem with os2005 once I reboot my device Jul 19 10:11:59 <__Nikos__> blkhawk[work]>: Ok thanks a lot! Jul 19 10:14:56 * timeless tries to remember how precisely to pass -uwp to svn diff Jul 19 10:16:26 arg Jul 19 10:16:56 what names does gnudiff have? Jul 19 10:19:17 any idea why some packages comlain that they are already installed? Jul 19 10:20:04 timeless: just had a bit of a moan on #1695, I'm afraid ;-) Jul 19 10:21:16 jaffa: i don't know what to do Jul 19 10:21:24 if you guys stick it in n800:browser, it's valid Jul 19 10:21:39 if i move it there, some idiot will file it against in n800:browser (mozilla engine) Jul 19 10:21:56 timeless: It's generally the responsibility of the people who know the structure of the internal projects to move bugs to the right place. Jul 19 10:22:09 timeless: when that happens they can get a good slapdown and it closed as DUPLICATE. Jul 19 10:22:21 timeless: you happy for me to try & reopen it and assign it to n800:browser? Jul 19 10:22:21 jaffa: it's generally the tendency of reporters to only search for bugs in the one place they expect the bug to be in Jul 19 10:22:29 be my guest Jul 19 10:22:55 timeless: really? I always search everything, cos I know how crap people are at categorising. But then I'm a neat freak who knows users are crap ;-) Jul 19 10:22:55 but i expect you to do the slapping when it gets filed in mozilla engine the next time Jul 19 10:23:04 jaffa: look at the bug Jul 19 10:23:15 they're clear about wanting to file it in mozilla engine Jul 19 10:23:39 " Since this is the only mozilla related Jul 19 10:23:39 category it's rather hard to file enhancement requests against other Jul 19 10:23:41 applications. " Jul 19 10:23:50 they were not going to look in n800:browser Jul 19 10:24:12 timeless: I'll happily slap people. Especially when I'm in a bad mood/feeling ill like today. Jul 19 10:24:28 anyway, be my guest Jul 19 10:24:54 note that the reason enhancement isn't removed is because it's a global property of bugzilla Jul 19 10:25:05 ta - I think everyone's still just happy to have an open source, Mozilla-based browser engine. Jul 19 10:25:14 these are not happy people Jul 19 10:25:16 do normal arm binarys run on OS2005? Jul 19 10:25:17 they're end users Jul 19 10:25:28 timeless: I hope you're not suggesting you *don't* want enhancement requests tracked in Bugzilla ;-) Jul 19 10:25:30 and they should go take a leap into an ice berg and come back when it melts Jul 19 10:25:35 blkhawk[work]: generally, yes. Jul 19 10:25:49 Jaffa: i want t o get dropbar on here Jul 19 10:25:49 jaffa: at the moment? if you're not putting up code? that's right Jul 19 10:25:56 dropbear Jul 19 10:25:58 timeless: tsk, you developer you ;-) Jul 19 10:26:01 if you post a bug and a patch for microb, that's fine Jul 19 10:26:12 jaffa: the release is clearly labeled for developers only Jul 19 10:26:14 blkhawk[work]: dropbear had been cross-compiled anyway. Jul 19 10:26:15 not for end users Jul 19 10:26:23 timeless: absolutely. Jul 19 10:26:30 Jaffa: ya but the file is gone Jul 19 10:26:35 and i'll gladly buy you meals occasionally for slappings you give Jul 19 10:26:36 blkhawk[work]: doh. Jul 19 10:26:38 its only for os2006 now Jul 19 10:27:15 oh - is ext3 a better choice as FS on an SDcard? Jul 19 10:27:19 timeless: There've already been some users slapped down on ITT for saying "oh, it's so buggy I've gone back to Opera" and not a) raising bug reports, b) expecting better of a pre-reelease Jul 19 10:29:50 jaffa: actually, there's one other guy i need help w/ Jul 19 10:29:57 he posted a reply to my garage news item Jul 19 10:30:05 and i really don't want to deal with him directly Jul 19 10:49:27 oh, jaffa, one note Jul 19 10:49:40 by default bugzilla won't reassign when you reopen and change compoennt Jul 19 10:49:51 so you should go back to the bug and select (*) Reassign to default Jul 19 10:52:46 cool... can record maemo sessions with this? xnee - Xnee can be used to record and replay an X-session Jul 19 10:59:09 pupnik, that is no video capture or anything, but "event recording" Jul 19 10:59:13 pupnik, think macros Jul 19 10:59:25 ah Jul 19 11:01:36 i wish i hadn't read about the OMAP 3430. I want an IT with it so bad now. Jul 19 11:04:06 timeless: done. Jul 19 11:05:07 timeless: thanks for that. I'll look for the garage item. Jul 19 11:06:53 timeless: which one do you want dealing with? Java applets? The bug reports in the comment? Problems with the app mgr or something else? Jul 19 11:07:10 nice.. just got my 770, delivered within a day, from france even :) Jul 19 11:08:36 time to rtfm now, it appears not to support wpa2 ootb Jul 19 11:15:59 Is there an utility I could use to find out if my maemo program is leaking resources? Jul 19 11:16:09 Mikho: valgrind? Jul 19 11:19:20 Ok, I'll check it out, thanks Jul 19 11:24:33 Hey. Where can I get libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2) or libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16) (required by pidgin) ? Jul 19 11:33:02 latest i see is Filename: ./pool/bora/free/binary/libgcrypt11_1.2.0-11.1osso_armel.deb Jul 19 11:43:56 bah Jul 19 11:44:07 Indeed Jul 19 11:44:15 compiling a deb shouldn't fail just because it failed to convert the TeX documents to html Jul 19 11:49:03 Flashing a 770 with the latest firmware doesn't rely on the rs-mmc card ey? So I could get a 2GB rs-mmc, and upgrade it to 2007HE which will support it? Jul 19 11:49:32 jaffa: hold Jul 19 11:50:26 oh man Jul 19 11:50:30 there are 7 comments now Jul 19 11:50:36 there were only 2 when i lookoed last Jul 19 11:50:44 * timeless kicks gforge Jul 19 11:52:24 jaffa: :(, well re 2006 it'd be nice to point out that we don't even support 3.2007 (or 2.2007, or the original os 2007 for that matter) Jul 19 11:52:58 jaffa: the comment i need dealt w/ is izrael boss Jul 19 11:54:48 Thought it might be. Jul 19 11:54:55 Let me get some lunch and I'll go on a commenting spree. Jul 19 11:54:56 the application manager bit i've sent along to the app manager guy since he wanted feedback :) Jul 19 11:54:58 sure Jul 19 11:55:15 if you comment on app manager, there's a log in app manager and the user should at least look at it Jul 19 11:55:47 app manager has a component (or more) in bugs.maemo and problems should be reported there, logs added as attachments after filing reports Jul 19 11:56:04 Hmm .. Time for the first package me thinks. Jul 19 11:56:42 timeless: indeed. Jul 19 11:57:05 * timeless sighs Jul 19 11:57:11 gforge "threading" is such a mess Jul 19 11:57:27 don thompson made a link for java Jul 19 11:57:30 i'd leave it alone Jul 19 11:59:19 darn Jul 19 11:59:30 my text indexer doesn't speak russian Jul 19 12:00:10 ok, but it's still easy enough for me to search the file once i'm there, good. Jul 19 12:06:48 Does the browser support audio at all or would I have to work something out with the flash player? Jul 19 12:07:09 sciboy: not sure what you mean Jul 19 12:07:14 in theory it has nsISound Jul 19 12:07:31 so if you have UniversalXPConnect, you could probably play a beep Jul 19 12:07:45 otherwise, most normal people use flash :) Jul 19 12:07:57 it doesn't have support for or anything like that Jul 19 12:08:08 Bummer. =P Jul 19 12:08:10 and normal media is handled by this evil plugin which just launches media player Jul 19 12:08:17 that's unchanged from opera Jul 19 12:08:20 and is per ui spec Jul 19 12:08:30 don't worry, the ui spec will never be published Jul 19 12:08:36 you don't want to read it Jul 19 12:09:29 I know I don't, I just want to work on a graphical web game, oh which reminds me, it at least supports svg? Jul 19 12:10:24 Although depending on the rendering performance I might have to go for good ol' raster. Jul 19 12:10:35 no Jul 19 12:10:44 we explicitly list that as missing in the browser whitepaper Jul 19 12:10:44 Bummer #2 Jul 19 12:10:51 no xul support either Jul 19 12:10:56 canvas should be there Jul 19 12:11:17 for fun, you should try nsISound and see if it's useful Jul 19 12:11:27 I think I can work around gif animations and static images. Jul 19 12:11:48 if you can make nsISound play enough sounds that you're happy w/ it, then i can explain how you'd deal w/ making it work in a system Jul 19 12:12:45 Probably not to be honest, funneling it into flash or if I'm feeling up to it, a small python/pygame daemon would be the safest bet. Jul 19 12:14:51 Actually... I don't think I've seen anyone do that... I could offer sound support as an offline feature. I will try to avoid Flash if I can. Jul 19 12:14:55 <_abc_> hello Jul 19 12:14:55 <_Monkey> salut, _abc_ Jul 19 12:15:06 <_abc_> salut ? .ro ? Jul 19 12:15:15 <_abc_> _Monkey: Jul 19 12:15:16 <_Monkey> _abc_: what? Jul 19 12:15:20