**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 20 02:59:56 2007 Jul 20 03:40:17 free phone calls on the nokia N800 Jul 20 03:40:30 i will have a tutorial as soon as possible.. Jul 20 03:41:03 if you can't wait. Jul 20 03:41:18 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 20 03:41:21 install that... Jul 20 03:42:01 http://www.freecall.com/en/sipp.html <--- register for an account here Jul 20 03:42:54 requires you downloading their client in order to setup and account...but uninstall it when you finish setting up your account and run spyware program. Jul 20 03:43:40 after you setup your account with freecall, set up account freecall account following 1st. link. Jul 20 03:43:44 and call anyone. Jul 20 03:43:49 any landline.. Jul 20 03:44:05 only outbound calls.. Jul 20 03:44:06 and gizmo? Jul 20 03:44:06 <_Monkey> i heard gizmo was sip compliant Jul 20 03:44:12 well yeah Jul 20 03:44:19 can also set it up in gizmo Jul 20 03:44:33 bleh...N800 only Jul 20 03:44:41 not sure.. Jul 20 03:44:50 install gizmo and give it a go. Jul 20 03:45:11 i have it setup with the default client that comes with the n800 Jul 20 03:45:31 but if gizmo support sip..you can set it up with gizmo. Jul 20 03:45:40 it works. Jul 20 03:45:55 got gizmo on my 770 Jul 20 03:46:00 I dont have wifi now Jul 20 03:46:07 but I will try it very soon Jul 20 03:46:08 wifi needed. Jul 20 03:46:15 going to ITT it... Jul 20 03:48:57 itt? Jul 20 03:48:58 <_Monkey> itt is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Jul 20 03:49:03 ohh Jul 20 03:49:04 ok Jul 20 03:49:59 yes Jul 20 03:51:11 * rwhitby installs rtcomm Jul 20 03:58:02 rwhitby, i tried it with freecalls....theirs other sip providers you might want to give it a go with.... Jul 20 03:58:04 http://www.isolvesystems.com/services/Telephone_Phone/VOIP_IP_Telephony_Internet_Telephony_Service_Providers.htm Jul 20 03:58:54 other providers Jul 20 03:59:09 unique311: I have accounts with Gizmo, Nodephone and Voxalot already :-) Jul 20 03:59:24 ok Jul 20 03:59:36 I use Gizmo on the n800 almost daily for long calls between Australia and the USA. Jul 20 03:59:43 nodephone or Vosalot offer free outbound? Jul 20 04:00:27 Nodephone offers free nothing. Voxalot is part of sipphone. Jul 20 04:01:08 Looks like I'll get a FreeCall account too :-) Jul 20 04:02:12 Voxalot is good for inbound calls. Jul 20 04:02:25 and you can set it up to route to multiple outbound providers too Jul 20 04:07:53 free inbounds.... Jul 20 04:08:15 that is what i need now.. Jul 20 04:10:39 can you recieve calls to you voxalot number rwhitby Jul 20 04:11:27 good night, fellows Jul 20 04:11:30 im leaving Jul 20 04:11:37 1 AM here in Brazil Jul 20 04:12:38 1212 here in NYC Jul 20 04:13:23 here , in Rio de Janeiro, 1:13, actually Jul 20 04:13:56 brasil got some fine ladies... Jul 20 04:14:23 one of my good friends from brasil....lovely model Jul 20 04:14:29 www.lalabrasil.com Jul 20 04:15:17 not everygirl Jul 20 04:15:25 im sure it has as much as NY Jul 20 04:16:09 everygirl from NY is from out of town... Jul 20 04:16:13 overseas... Jul 20 04:17:16 ...and thats why you have plenty of time to use all this voip stuff =-P Jul 20 04:17:17 wanna trade places NeoStrider... Jul 20 04:17:27 ohhh....Im sure you dont want that Jul 20 04:17:42 otherwise I would gladly trade places with you Jul 20 04:18:06 you right...i don't want to do that.... Jul 20 04:18:24 ;-) Jul 20 04:18:27 well Jul 20 04:18:30 Im leaving Jul 20 04:18:32 good night Jul 20 04:27:35 someone with th knowledge on how to add news to the planet at maemo.org. let me know how to do so. Jul 20 05:04:12 k Jul 20 05:04:19 i have a new discovery.... Jul 20 05:04:33 Freedigits.com Jul 20 05:04:54 they provided you with a number...incoming and outgoing phone calls... Jul 20 05:04:56 free Jul 20 05:05:12 i set it up Jul 20 05:05:17 and is working Jul 20 05:05:43 instead of Freecalls..use Freedigits... Jul 20 06:48:51 hi there Jul 20 06:48:51 <_Monkey> que tal, colinl Jul 20 06:49:14 is there any doc on how to use the n800 LED? Jul 20 06:50:47 D= Jul 20 06:52:55 colinl: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-February/007770.html and http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-April/009994.html Jul 20 06:53:33 thanks a bunch, zuh :) Jul 20 06:54:58 I see that it's not very power-consumption-friendly, though. Jul 20 06:55:05 I'll play with that, thanks :) Jul 20 07:18:17 unique311: and they like to fuck too ! Jul 20 07:30:51 hi guys Jul 20 07:30:51 !list Jul 20 07:36:09 Morning, all Jul 20 07:50:56 morning, anyone known dbus methods of com.nokia.mediaplayer service? Jul 20 08:46:00 so, what news sites should a maemo dev read for product feedback? Jul 20 08:54:37 timelE61i: itt forums? Jul 20 08:59:59 I'm having trouble with my 770 using DHCP... it's configured to use DHCP, but it thinks it's been assigned a weird IP (169.254.217.203) and has no default route or DNS info Jul 20 09:01:11 That address is an auto assigned one when there's no dhcp server Jul 20 09:01:17 it's worked with other networks using DHCP, but on my home network (wrt54g) it's acting up Jul 20 09:01:22 * lardman tries to remember the name Jul 20 09:01:47 DHCP definitely works on this network.. I've got 3 other machines connected, including the one I'm using right now Jul 20 09:01:48 zeroconf Jul 20 09:02:28 well it sounds as if your 770 isn't picking it up for whatever reason Jul 20 09:02:56 hmm... sorry, I'm a rookie... I see that zeroconf is networking software for the 770, but is it installed by default? how will I use it? Jul 20 09:03:02 (zeroconf or avahi/bonjour/whatever the name's changed to this week) Jul 20 09:03:09 I'm googling, but not turning up more than mentions of zeroconf right now Jul 20 09:03:27 You don;t want to use it, it just assigns one of those addresses Jul 20 09:03:40 ohhh Jul 20 09:03:57 If dhcp fails, it falls back to zeroconf Jul 20 09:04:26 fyi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf Jul 20 09:04:37 hmm... don't think my router supports it... was just looking at the wikipedia page :) Jul 20 09:05:23 ah, perhaps it's not part of zeroconf, just part of IPv4. hmm. Anyway, it's the fall back. See why dhcp isn't working Jul 20 09:05:54 that's the trouble I'm having... does this thing come with xterm out of the box, or do I need to install it? sorry for the super-rookie quesiton Jul 20 09:06:06 you need to install it, look in the package manager Jul 20 09:06:12 okay, cool, thanks Jul 20 09:06:27 skirpee: on wrt54g sometimes the dhcp daemon dies.. Try rebooting your router.. Jul 20 09:06:59 X-Fade: this machine I'm on now is a laptop which connected via DHCP just a few mins ago... I think it's specific to my 770 Jul 20 09:07:38 Once it's assigned you an IP address it could then die Jul 20 09:08:09 without it affecting you (until your lease expires, and even then your laptop might ignore it - I don;t know enough about dhcp) Jul 20 09:08:25 possible, but unlikely... I've had this 770 for a couple of days now, and it's had this dhcp problem all along, I just haven't had a chance to start investigating til tonight Jul 20 09:08:39 ah, ok Jul 20 09:09:47 crap, how'm I gonna use the package manager to install bash w/o net access? :) Jul 20 09:09:55 er, xterm Jul 20 09:10:33 skirpee: what is your bluetooth hostname set to? Maybe you used chars that the dhcp doesn't like? Jul 20 09:11:02 hmm good point, checking Jul 20 09:14:08 tried changing it to something all-lowercase w/ no spaces, still won't connect on my local network, nor on my neighbor's open network Jul 20 09:14:22 o Jul 20 09:14:54 on the neighbor's network it seems to get an ip address and default route, but it thinks the router is also the DNS server Jul 20 09:16:01 tho doing a host google.com and then hitting that IP w/ the web browser still fails Jul 20 09:16:43 You could grab the .deb on your laptop and copy it over the usb link Jul 20 09:16:56 doing that now Jul 20 09:17:17 osso-xterm the way to go? Jul 20 09:17:17 Do you have a proxy? Jul 20 09:17:21 yep Jul 20 09:17:23 no proxy, nope Jul 20 09:18:45 ok Jul 20 09:19:58 good morning Jul 20 09:20:22 ok! I have an xterm running Jul 20 09:21:33 holy hell, there's a lot involved to get root Jul 20 09:22:23 all I had to do was installing the dropbear ssh server Jul 20 09:22:24 * sp3000 counts 4 high-level steps Jul 20 09:22:48 skirpee: As you have the usb cable, do the r&d mode thing Jul 20 09:23:02 working on it now Jul 20 09:23:02 e.g.: xterm, redpill, openssh, ssh away Jul 20 09:23:08 VladDrac: he doesn't have a network Jul 20 09:23:23 tho localhost ought not be affected I suppose Jul 20 09:23:47 xterm, flasher r&d mode....? Jul 20 09:24:43 ...would be another option Jul 20 09:24:49 though xterms tend to come from networks Jul 20 09:26:20 sp3000: I got xterm installed by copying from my network-connected laptop Jul 20 09:26:22 via usb Jul 20 09:26:36 ack... lardman, thanks for your help... I've got to get to bed, I have to be up for work tomorrow Jul 20 09:26:44 sure, not categorically :) Jul 20 09:27:01 I've got some instructions on installing the flasher, and once I'm root I'll start looking at why dhcp isn't working for me Jul 20 09:27:16 for now, I am crashing, I'm beat Jul 20 09:27:27 what's cras... oh, you are Jul 20 09:27:54 "dhcp fails, user crashes" Jul 20 09:31:16 lo Jul 20 09:31:45 any idea how to dump the bootloaders to mmc? Jul 20 09:35:54 blkhawk[work]: Why don't you just get them from the FIASCO image? Jul 20 09:36:05 blkhawk[work]: The flasher can extract them for you? Jul 20 10:22:32 hi all. Can I installed Skype on the N800 without upgrading to the latest firmware? Jul 20 10:22:55 rebroad: I don't think so, but I don't really know O:-) Jul 20 10:23:35 i think the latest firmware has some problems with battery management. ever since i upgraded the battery doesn't seem to last as long as before Jul 20 10:24:04 plus latest firmware breaks lcars theme... Jul 20 10:27:28 hmm. someone needs to write a little utility that lets you upgrade the firmware and easily re-import all your settings and installed apps.. Jul 20 10:33:46 battery seems fine to me, what have you installed? Jul 20 10:34:02 Or have you left the n800 allowed to autoconnect at will? Jul 20 10:34:48 just comparing the N800 with latest firmware compared with the one before latest Jul 20 10:35:29 vanilla? Oh, mine seems to have better battery life now, just an impression though Jul 20 10:36:10 the release notes did mention that battery management was improved, but to me it seems to have reduced the duration Jul 20 10:50:44 OWWW I missed a psion netbook pro auction that went for 202 euro on ebay Jul 20 10:56:18 does maemo come with md5sum? Jul 20 11:12:06 Nokia-N800-48:~# md5sum Jul 20 11:12:07 -sh: md5sum: not found Jul 20 11:17:51 i wonder if anyone has gotten a bluetooth gamepad controller working Jul 20 11:21:13 i wondered that the other day too Jul 20 11:21:19 I believe keesj has Jul 20 11:22:19 You know all someone would have to do is take-apart a BT gamepad and make a custom case that clamps around a pda (on left and right) Jul 20 11:23:39 So you could affix it to a n770, n800 or whatever Jul 20 13:29:29 Hi, is it my browser or are all the tutorial and howto pages on maemo.org screwd up? Jul 20 13:29:42 at least for the 770 Jul 20 13:30:26 Anyone know why inline asm labels require a b or f suffix indicating where the label lies? GCC's output doesn't have this, though the labels start with a . could this make a difference? Jul 20 13:31:13 rtcm: HowTos look ok to me Jul 20 13:31:52 as do tutorials Jul 20 13:32:14 on Firefox 2.0b1 WinXP Jul 20 13:32:35 lardman: do they have pictures and are all the command line examples shown? Jul 20 13:33:00 rtcm: Can you give me an example url? Jul 20 13:33:22 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html Jul 20 13:33:23 rtcm: Yeah, the Maemo 2.0 ones were screwed for me the other day. Jul 20 13:33:50 besides, they have outdated instructions here and there Jul 20 13:33:57 should I file a bug somewhere? Jul 20 13:33:58 I see pictures Jul 20 13:34:27 commands look a little bad Jul 20 13:34:35 e.g. Start Scratchbox with the following command: Jul 20 13:34:40 ]]> Jul 20 13:34:46 Not sure that'll work very well ;) Jul 20 13:34:58 lardman: right, that's what I mean Jul 20 13:35:32 There are other problems with the markup, a bit further down there's a list and items 6 & 7 are all concatenated Jul 20 13:35:48 when the commands should be on seperate lines Jul 20 13:37:03 yhea, and like linking to a maemo 2.2 minimal rootstrap which doesn't contain the hildon libs etc. Jul 20 13:37:23 eventually I figured I needed some other "non-minimal" package Jul 20 13:37:29 and found it Jul 20 13:38:05 but it's not a smooth experience... Jul 20 13:38:39 but yes, it's a bug so you may as well file it, assuming there's not one already Jul 20 13:39:09 lardman: Yeah, if already filed one for that.. Jul 20 13:39:40 lardman: But we'll have to wait a few weeks as they are all on holiday during July.. Jul 20 13:39:59 X-Fade: Fair enough, just as long as there's one there so someone notices it Jul 20 13:40:17 Finland is closed in July due to holidays. Please come back later ;) Jul 20 13:40:21 Though it is a wiki, so we could always do it ourselves, or do we not have access? Jul 20 13:40:45 The UK is closed due to heavy rain and floods, nice summer Jul 20 13:40:51 No, that documentation is managed by the Nokia documentation team.. Jul 20 13:42:27 X-Fade: care to point me to a bug# ? Jul 20 13:54:50 lardman, hahah Jul 20 13:54:57 lardman, It's pissing it down! ^_^ Jul 20 13:55:14 it's stopped here, for 5 minutes at least Jul 20 13:56:34 Heh, lucky. Jul 20 13:56:45 It has mellowed to a dizzle at the moment. Jul 20 13:58:37 Heh, dizzle .. drizzle! Jul 20 13:58:54 rtcm: 1518, 1665,1666 Jul 20 13:59:36 sp3000 got a url for flushing document.write w/o finishing script execution? Jul 20 14:00:12 http://www.digittrade.de/ebay/gamepad/gamepad-1.jpg something like this, hacked to fit a 770/800 Jul 20 14:01:30 timelE61i: not offhand Jul 20 14:01:31 it'll start again here as I'm about to go outside ;) Jul 20 14:04:22 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2666&highlight=gamepad Jul 20 14:04:38 aha Bluetooth gamepad plus nokia - hacked with kbdd profile Jul 20 14:10:38 seems nice Jul 20 14:11:54 "The Chainpus BGP-100 runs on a single AAA battery and can last around 3 hours of continuous use." Jul 20 14:12:15 I'd definitely drop in an AA or two rechargeables instead Jul 20 14:13:05 <__Nikos__> i ping the n800 device on a local wireless network and i get times around 100ms...The ping on a laptop gives me times<1ms. Is it normal? Jul 20 14:13:32 i get 2-9ms Jul 20 14:13:43 nokia 770 Jul 20 14:15:32 <__Nikos__> pupnik: I try to delivel udp packets and i experience a hell of a drop packages...is there a way to boost the speed on the device? Jul 20 14:16:47 __Nikos__: 64 bytes from 192.168.1.149: icmp_seq=51 ttl=64 time=2.77 ms Jul 20 14:17:22 __Nikos__: I noticed the same too there is a lot of udp packet loss with the n800 you need to try and reduce the noise in your signal as much as you can Jul 20 14:17:54 the wireless card on the device is very bad Jul 20 14:18:38 <__Nikos__> zyxulnag1: can you have a wired connection with n800? Jul 20 14:19:04 If I do a 'ping -i 0.01 -c 1000 192.168.1.149' I get: Jul 20 14:19:05 don't think so Jul 20 14:19:08 1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 8996ms Jul 20 14:19:08 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.387/3.165/57.901/2.809 ms, pipe 5 Jul 20 14:19:28 as far as I know there is no way to go wired on the n800 Jul 20 14:19:33 you could with the n770 Jul 20 14:22:36 <__Nikos__> I am wondering how can the skype work so well Jul 20 14:23:01 they have some pretty cool algorithms that wrap over udp in skype Jul 20 14:23:07 so you don't feel the packet loss Jul 20 14:23:21 and I think skype also uses tcp in some cases but I am not sure Jul 20 14:34:06 <__Nikos__> when i run my app with ssh i have very low packet loss...when i run it on the device a experience a great loss??? Jul 20 14:34:55 that's impossible Jul 20 14:35:02 ssh uses tcp Jul 20 14:35:08 <__Nikos__> am i missing something? Jul 20 14:36:08 skype uses UDP mostly. It uses UDP to get around routers and firewalls. Jul 20 14:36:11 Does anyone know if gstreamer for maemo seek accurately within vbr mp3 files? Jul 20 14:36:13 maybe there's a hardware problem __Nikos__ Jul 20 14:36:40 Or at least that's what I thought. I might be wrong. I'm not sure if you could do the trickery with TCP/IP. Jul 20 14:37:10 <__Nikos__> pupnik: what is the difference between running with ssh or on the device? Jul 20 14:37:48 i don't have an n800. it just works for me. very slow scp transfers though Jul 20 14:38:02 slower than a floppy drive :/ Jul 20 14:39:37 <__Nikos__> pupnik: Either you launch an application through ssh or local xterm the app will run on the device Jul 20 14:41:15 lo Jul 20 14:41:18 i run a lot of stuff through ssh Jul 20 14:46:10 i should find a way to earn a living off opensource. Jul 20 14:46:35 what's http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ogg for? Jul 20 14:46:54 I installed it, but the media player still doesn't recognize oggs Jul 20 14:49:15 disq, 1. open source, 2. ???, 3. profit! Jul 20 14:50:17 hey Jul 20 14:50:27 Hmm, do I bother replying to maemo-users to explain why Ted Tso's almost always right? ;-) Jul 20 14:50:30 inz: very userfriendly.org of you Jul 20 14:50:45 not sure if this would be horribly annoying, and everyone will probably tell me to do it myself... Jul 20 14:51:00 but can someone compile frotz for IT2007HE? Jul 20 14:51:04 (the commandline version) Jul 20 14:51:14 yes, I know, there's GFrotz. I don't like it. Jul 20 14:51:20 * jpt9 likes Bluetooth keyboards :-) Jul 20 14:51:32 * jpt9 is using one right now with XChat on an n770 :-D Jul 20 14:51:56 which xchat runs on it2007he? Jul 20 14:52:03 it should be in the repos darnit Jul 20 14:52:06 dunno... Jul 20 14:52:18 it's either on maemo.org, linked to from maemo.org, or in the repos.... Jul 20 14:52:36 (or in one of the repos I've added from installing some other program. not sure) Jul 20 14:52:46 why? Jul 20 14:53:07 i don't think we have a command to search which repo supplies which package do we? Jul 20 14:53:14 there isn't... Jul 20 14:53:17 apt-cache show or policy doesn't, iirc Jul 20 14:53:18 there is a site, however... Jul 20 14:53:45 www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php?lang=en Jul 20 14:53:47 it' Jul 20 14:53:50 it's quite nice. Jul 20 14:54:05 wow, thanks! Jul 20 14:54:13 you're welcome, Jul 20 14:54:26 my brother told me about it, though; you'd probably want to thank him :-) Jul 20 14:55:02 anyway, can anyone compile frotz? Jul 20 14:55:19 lemme check Jul 20 14:55:29 thanks. Jul 20 14:56:00 i only have an it2006 environment, so you'll have to force the install Jul 20 14:56:04 oh. Jul 20 14:56:07 will it still run? Jul 20 14:56:14 yeah Jul 20 14:56:17 also, you can just send me a binary. Jul 20 14:56:30 (unless there's more to it...) Jul 20 14:56:45 (man this BT keyboard's awesome!) Jul 20 14:56:55 it actually makes IRC on an n770 practical. Jul 20 14:57:01 yes Jul 20 14:57:19 * jpt9 wants an n785 or something.... the case and design of the n770 with the improved specs of the n800 :-) Jul 20 14:57:36 yes re: there's more or yes re: just the binary? Jul 20 14:57:36 http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tapwrite/gfrotz_2.43.3_armel.deb?download Jul 20 14:57:37 try Jul 20 14:57:42 whoa. Jul 20 14:57:43 fast. Jul 20 14:58:15 opening in the browser now... Jul 20 14:58:58 wget works too Jul 20 14:59:04 except that's gfrotz... Jul 20 14:59:15 (at least according to the app manager) Jul 20 14:59:25 hasn't finished installing yet... Jul 20 14:59:51 nice - you can pick the menu Jul 20 15:00:06 yeah... that's gfrotz. i wanted frotz (the plain command-line version). Jul 20 15:00:37 ever play A Mind Forever Voyaging? Jul 20 15:00:46 a bit. Jul 20 15:00:48 quite fun. Jul 20 15:00:53 my favorite ever Jul 20 15:00:59 that's the kind of text adventure I like -- lots of exploring. Jul 20 15:01:24 yeah - it was really a novel Jul 20 15:01:26 anyway, is there any chance you could build the CLI version of frotz? Jul 20 15:01:31 ok Jul 20 15:01:39 thanks. Jul 20 15:01:42 you're awesome. Jul 20 15:04:03 oops, can't run scratchbox on this kernel - vdso bug Jul 20 15:05:16 echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled oh that was easy Jul 20 15:06:14 ever noticed that if the brightness is set to minimum on an n770, the light flickers as the wi-fi is used? Jul 20 15:06:22 yeah sometimes Jul 20 15:09:49 jpt9, http://pupnik.de/frotz_2.43-1_armel.deb Jul 20 15:10:03 hello Jul 20 15:10:04 <_Monkey> hi, NeoStrider Jul 20 15:10:09 anyone uses the garage here? Jul 20 15:10:13 hey pupnik Jul 20 15:10:17 hi NeoStrider Jul 20 15:10:32 thanks. opening now... Jul 20 15:10:32 you tried maemowizard some time ago, right? (my memory is very weak) Jul 20 15:10:46 yes Jul 20 15:10:56 and it didnt worked with gregalle SDK Jul 20 15:11:06 but I tried here and it worked flawlessly Jul 20 15:11:11 with Gregalle SDK Jul 20 15:11:42 I can't remember what went wrong Jul 20 15:11:56 neither do I Jul 20 15:12:04 I guess there was some missing files Jul 20 15:12:43 now I want to install the mono devkit =-) Jul 20 15:13:14 anyone knows how to configure the garage Jul 20 15:13:15 ? Jul 20 15:15:06 jpt9: heh, where did it install the frotz binary i wonder Jul 20 15:15:15 dunno. Jul 20 15:15:22 not in the path, I can tell you that :-) Jul 20 15:16:25 /usr/games Jul 20 15:16:48 i have a ~/bin directory. i'll just stick it there. Jul 20 15:17:19 ok that command is in the postinst under /debian Jul 20 15:17:59 ??? Jul 20 15:18:21 just gonna change the package to install to /usr/bin Jul 20 15:18:28 okay Jul 20 15:18:30 thanks. Jul 20 15:18:32 also.... Jul 20 15:18:33 <_Monkey> rumour has it also is there a nice tutorial for setting up a python dev environment for the n800 Jul 20 15:18:45 :-) Jul 20 15:18:47 it works. Jul 20 15:20:09 on the device i also did: mv /usr/games/* /usr/bin && rmdir /usr/games && ln -s /usr/bin /usr/games Jul 20 15:20:52 what will that do, exactly? Jul 20 15:21:34 puts all the /usr/games stuff into /usr/bin and makes a symbolic link from /usr/games to /usr/bin Jul 20 15:21:38 just to avoid this in future Jul 20 15:21:45 should i run that? Jul 20 15:22:03 no need Jul 20 15:22:24 this is great. i don't have time for infocom games but it's wonderful to have on the tablet Jul 20 15:22:44 did you update the package or something? Jul 20 15:24:19 yes, but the only change is moving it from /usr/games to /usr/bin Jul 20 15:27:13 yay. it works now. you should post that on maemo. Jul 20 15:27:15 that'd be cool. Jul 20 15:30:21 thanks for the build, pupnik. Jul 20 15:31:15 well...im going to work Jul 20 15:31:20 see you later, guys! Jul 20 15:33:36 huh... Jul 20 15:33:55 the n770 doesn't seem to know the layout of an apple bluetooth keyboard particularly well. Jul 20 15:41:35 gah gfrotz is smaller than my frotz package Jul 20 15:43:37 who cares. frotz has more features. Jul 20 15:45:29 Does anyone know of an audio player for linux that supports bookmarks? i.e. saving your position in an audio book, then coming back to it later? I'm looking for something to port... Jul 20 15:46:05 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=61650#post61650 Jul 20 15:46:11 CHECK that out.. Jul 20 15:46:24 posted it around midnight... Jul 20 15:46:34 free phone calls on the N800.... Jul 20 15:46:57 possibly with gizmo for 770 users... Jul 20 15:47:17 eh, too much work Jul 20 15:47:21 I ended up just buying a year of skype Jul 20 15:47:29 too much work. Jul 20 15:47:30 lol Jul 20 15:47:38 install the new sip client... Jul 20 15:47:50 it's a pain to have different services for incoming and outgoing Jul 20 15:47:51 and get a FreeDigits account.... Jul 20 15:47:57 and to be limited by the number of minutes you have etc Jul 20 15:48:06 plus who knows how long these free places will be open for Jul 20 15:48:09 just look at sunrocket Jul 20 15:48:19 I'm not saying it's not for anyone, just not for me Jul 20 15:50:11 it wasn't too much work for me...took maybe 10 minutes at most to set up everything. installing the sip client, getting an account from freedigits and setting it up. Jul 20 15:50:27 FreeCalls only offer free outbound. Jul 20 15:51:21 freedigits offer a free number that allows you to recieve inbound calls..and allows you to make outbound calls free.. Jul 20 15:51:58 freedigits says " Outgoing Minutes No* *Outbound calling rates apply." Jul 20 15:52:40 any hints on what is needed to compile a kernel for 770? Jul 20 15:52:57 I mean what patches to i need to get besides the vanilla sources Jul 20 15:53:09 and where can i get the default .config Jul 20 16:05:56 ty unique311 i'll look at that Jul 20 16:06:09 np Jul 20 16:13:35 "When ARM announced Neon in October of 2004, it said chips supporting Neon instructions could decode an MP3 stream in 8-10MHz" Jul 20 16:13:40 more A8 Cortex porn... Jul 20 16:13:50 is there a overwiew of where allthe stuff is in flash? I need to dump the bootloaders of my n770 Jul 20 16:13:53 ? Jul 20 16:19:47 don't know blkhawk Jul 20 16:20:06 "The Cortex-A8 achieves a BDTIsimMark2000/MHz score of 7.6. The ARM1176 achieves a BDTIsimMark2000? score of 1200 at 335 MHz, or 3.6 BDTIsimMark2000/MHz." Jul 20 16:22:16 pupnik: thanks anyway Jul 20 16:22:42 my problem is that if i screw this up then it will be bricked Jul 20 16:22:47 needing a reflash Jul 20 16:23:17 via the jtag probably Jul 20 16:23:23 and thats tools i do not have Jul 20 16:25:15 Wow the OMAP3430 was shipping a year ago. Jul 20 16:25:48 blkhawk: Why do you need that? Jul 20 16:28:01 zuh: my N770 is a prototype Jul 20 16:28:10 the board is different Jul 20 16:28:19 might have different flash addresses Jul 20 16:28:25 I have been warned Jul 20 16:28:35 that it "might" be different Jul 20 16:28:52