**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 22 02:59:58 2007
Jul 22 03:00:27 <agogo> where is my download folder? on the internal sd card?
Jul 22 03:09:53 <procto> agogo: I don't know, but it could be under /home/user/.opera/ somewhere
Jul 22 03:10:10 <procto> that's what opera tends to do by default
Jul 22 03:15:02 <seebs> It turns out I don't understand OSSO as well as I used to think I did.  I wanted to get the old example_camera program running, and I can't.
Jul 22 03:15:06 <seebs> I'll eventually figure it out.
Jul 22 03:23:43 <seebs> Does anyone have an old copy of the example_camera program that compiles and runs correctly?  The one I have makes calls out to a pair of "example_gui_*" functions that I don't have source for, and I'm not quite sure what goes in them.
Jul 22 03:24:18 <seebs> Oh, wait, may have gotten 'em.  Nevermind.
Jul 22 03:27:16 <NeoStrider> hello fellows
Jul 22 03:31:18 <seebs> Hello.
Jul 22 03:34:29 <seebs> So, I got the old example_camera example working.  Only it's not; it sits around chewing up 98% of CPU time with no visible output of any sort.
Jul 22 03:46:59 <seebs> Ahh.  It just takes forever.
Jul 22 04:15:00 <SomeoneE1se> ...
Jul 22 04:15:10 <SomeoneE1se> how do I close mplayer? (n800)
Jul 22 04:20:23 <NeoStrider> esc?
Jul 22 04:38:42 <seebs> Hey, anyone here good with gstreamer?  I had a program that I lost the source to, and I can't seem to reproduce it.  (It was on an N800, which may matter.)
Jul 22 04:59:55 <TimRiker> I'm trying to get a bluetooth network connection to show up in connectionmanager.
Jul 22 05:00:25 <TimRiker> the dbus-s posted in http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetoothnetworkingandconnectionmanager/ does not seem to become a daemon.
Jul 22 05:00:51 <TimRiker> and it forks off many many copies of itself, and never seems to call the /usr/bin/dbus-script script.
Jul 22 05:01:04 <TimRiker> this is on an n800 running the new 2007 image.
Jul 22 05:01:19 <TimRiker> is there anyplace else to hook into connectiomanager?
Jul 22 05:01:49 <TimRiker> or is there a way in a script to start a dummy connection so that the apps are happy?
Jul 22 05:03:25 <TimRiker> http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.user/2007-01/msg00070.html mentions a dbus call. perhaps I'll try that next. :/
Jul 22 05:10:54 <aaranya> Hi there
Jul 22 05:10:55 <_Monkey> hello, aaranya
Jul 22 05:14:47 <TimRiker> it would be nice if there was a hook someplace where connectionmanager called a shell script or other binary on connect and disconnect such that I could insert the relevant up and down steps. does it call ifup of anything else useful on a DUMMY IAP type?
Jul 22 05:21:16 <justin__> Why does it seem like the 2.2 SDK rootstrap is not installing?
Jul 22 05:26:35 <justin__> When I type sb-conf rs /scratchbox/packages/Maemo... it just says unpacking and then quits.  The reason I think it doesn't work is because Xephyr doesn't seem to exist and neither does af-sb-init.sh
Jul 22 05:49:17 <justin__> IS there something wrong with the debian devkit 1.0.8 and maemo sdk 2.2?
Jul 22 06:20:46 <TimRiker> argh...
Jul 22 06:21:44 <TimRiker> I can startup a bluetooth connection while I have a wlan connection open and it stays up till I kill it.
Jul 22 06:22:28 <TimRiker> however, when I start one using the same script from osso-xterm while a dummy IAP is up, the bt connection dies after like one minute.
Jul 22 06:22:38 <TimRiker> hmm. perhaps I should ssh out or something...
Jul 22 06:27:17 <TimRiker> nope. even with an ssh session open, the connection shuts down.
Jul 22 06:27:32 <TimRiker> connectionmanager still says the dummy connect is up.
Jul 22 06:39:33 <SeRi> is ITT down?
Jul 22 07:04:12 <disq> SeRi: i think so
Jul 22 07:14:20 <SeRi> That sucks
Jul 22 07:14:22 <SeRi> :(
Jul 22 07:14:33 <SeRi> Thanks for the info
Jul 22 07:29:32 <TimRiker> argh... very frustrating. my NAP link stays up until I place a video call, and that shuts it down every time.
Jul 22 07:30:07 <TimRiker> well, unless wlan is also up, then the NAP stays up for a minute or so of a call, and then shuts down.
Jul 22 07:30:43 <TimRiker> sure would be nice if NAP were supported directly. I've been beating on this for hours with no joy.
Jul 22 08:20:21 <_guardian> morning
Jul 22 09:34:20 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 22 09:34:36 <Jaffa> Bah at broken ITT :-/
Jul 22 09:34:39 <pupnik>  Tinymail looks pretty decent - fast
Jul 22 09:35:01 <pupnik> who broekeded it'?
Jul 22 09:52:42 <VladDrac> is tinymail an application or just a set of libs?
Jul 22 09:53:52 <Jaffa> Libs + an example.
Jul 22 09:54:00 <Jaffa> Modest is an email client built on libtinymail
Jul 22 10:03:51 <VladDrac> ah. is it usable?
Jul 22 10:26:15 * Jaffa 's not tried
Jul 22 10:27:15 <Jaffa> Depends how you define "usable", if you mean a well-thought out interface which matches the user's desires with the small, but high-res screen of an Internet Tablet; it doesn't look like it. If you mean, does it work, http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ suggests it works a bit ;-)
Jul 22 10:47:49 <blkhawk> lo
Jul 22 10:48:41 <Jaffa> Annoying that Ubuntu UME is only targetting i386 devices (i.e. UMPCs and not the N800)
Jul 22 10:54:09 <gorlov> hi
Jul 22 11:04:49 <pupnik> i always distrusted ubuntu
Jul 22 11:05:39 <blkhawk> yeah - there got to be an inhuman agenda behind that human fassade :P
Jul 22 11:05:48 <pupnik> space lizards
Jul 22 11:06:20 <pupnik> for a debian sid based distro, sidux is very clean, tight, current, solid
Jul 22 11:11:55 <celesteh_rules> hahaha
Jul 22 11:12:11 <celesteh_rules> it's really, really hard to recompile the kernel under ubuntu
Jul 22 11:12:26 <celesteh_rules> it's like mac os 9 or something.  they don't want you touching anything
Jul 22 11:12:29 <dragorn> easy solution: never use vendor kernels :P
Jul 22 11:12:54 <Mikho> what happens if you try?
Jul 22 11:13:02 <celesteh_rules> when i used to run slackware, you could just use some easy tools and you were going, bbut not so with ubuntu that i can find
Jul 22 11:13:13 <celesteh_rules> you have to do all the config by hand
Jul 22 11:13:21 <celesteh_rules> which is fine if you know everything about the computer
Jul 22 11:13:59 <Mikho> yeah, tried that once
Jul 22 11:14:15 <dragorn> and you wouldn't know because...?  (lspci, lsusb, done)
Jul 22 11:14:28 <celesteh_rules> i'm sure there are tools that exist that make it easier.  but the whole apt-get idea is based on the idea that you would not download source and compile it yourself, right?  it's all about version numbers and stable releases
Jul 22 11:14:33 <dragorn> (or hell, lsmod after booting the livecd and see what it loaded for you)
Jul 22 11:15:12 <celesteh_rules> the computer i was trying to build on wasn't mine.  and lsmod was not correctly identifying some of the hardware
Jul 22 11:16:02 <celesteh_rules> but seriously, if lsmod can tell you everything, why doesn't the kernel compiling tools have an option to do that for you.
Jul 22 11:16:38 <dragorn> because it's not hard to run lsmod?  Also because some drivers may be under heavy development and unstable and it could be tragic to turn them on by default.
Jul 22 11:16:51 <dragorn> s/lsmod/lsmod|lspci|lsusb/
Jul 22 11:16:51 <infobot> dragorn meant: because it's not hard to run lsmod|lspci|lsusb?  Also because some drivers may be under heavy development and unstable and it could be tragic to turn them on by default.
Jul 22 11:17:05 <dragorn> wow, that's a horribly annoying thing for infobot to do :P
Jul 22 11:19:58 <celesteh_rules> i really like smart tools.  it seems like a tool that says, "you have X hardware.  do you want the stable version or the unstable version?" would be a lot easier than going through a buggy config interface.  and if it's "for people" it should have smart tools like that and not the much more intimidating (and buggy) thousand option script
Jul 22 11:53:34 <justin__> Why does it seem like the 2.2 SDK rootstrap is not installing?
Jul 22 11:53:48 <justin__> When I type sb-conf rs /scratchbox/packages/Maemo... it just says unpacking and then quits.  The reason I think it doesn't work is because Xephyr doesn't seem to exist and neither does af-sb-init.sh
Jul 22 11:54:13 <justin__> IS there something wrong with the debian devkit 1.0.8 and maemo sdk 2.2?
Jul 22 12:25:03 <celesteh_rules> question:  is there a repository that has java compiled for the n800?
Jul 22 12:43:06 <justin__> Is it possible to install the 2.2 SDk on top of the scratchbox debian packages?
Jul 22 12:43:45 <justin__> The commands in the tutorial are different than what exists in the 1.0.7 scratchbox core that I got from the scratchbox repositories.
Jul 22 13:18:38 <blkhawk> nice got my USB Host stuff working
Jul 22 13:29:18 <blkhawk> is there a way to use a usb dongle GPS with the gps utilities for maemo?
Jul 22 13:29:26 <blkhawk> so far all seem to be BT only
Jul 22 13:36:38 <pupnik> blkhawk: did you manage to upgrade the os?
Jul 22 13:36:41 <Sho_> hm, the Plankton theme truely rocks
Jul 22 13:38:39 <blkhawk> pupnik: no
Jul 22 13:38:44 <blkhawk> pupnik: I cannot
Jul 22 13:38:57 <blkhawk> as long as i have no way to resque it should the flash fail
Jul 22 13:39:02 <blkhawk> damn i hate it tho
Jul 22 13:39:49 <sp3000> skype-ui, maintainer: FIXME <fixme@nokia.com>. heh.
Jul 22 13:41:09 <blkhawk> pupnik: do youthink i sould just risk it?
Jul 22 13:41:27 <pupnik> blkhawk: well with 2005 you can't really develop for it
Jul 22 13:41:35 <blkhawk> pupnik: I know
Jul 22 13:41:53 <blkhawk> i am kinda working with one arm behind my back
Jul 22 13:42:02 <blkhawk> It would be really shitty if i bricked it
Jul 22 13:42:21 <pupnik> Since it's a prototype it might have collectors value
Jul 22 13:42:38 <blkhawk> as a brick?
Jul 22 13:42:40 <pupnik> my cousin has a handmade bmw 633csi
Jul 22 13:42:41 <pupnik> no
Jul 22 13:46:36 <blkhawk> pupnik: now thats collectors value
Jul 22 13:47:11 <blkhawk> however i really cannot see any differences between my prototype and the eventual production models
Jul 22 13:47:24 <blkhawk> the hardware is the same as far as i can make out
Jul 22 13:47:37 <blkhawk> is there a complete hardware device list of the 770 somewhere?
Jul 22 13:49:58 <pupnik> duno
Jul 22 13:50:11 * pupnik ponders what to do
Jul 22 13:50:39 <blkhawk> if i am out of the X-loader and NOLO then icannot flash it anymore with what i have here
Jul 22 13:51:02 <blkhawk> maybe its a Late model tho and almost identical to the production units
Jul 22 13:51:07 <blkhawk> its a b4
Jul 22 13:51:19 <blkhawk> i guess that means 4th run of the beta hardware
Jul 22 13:51:43 <blkhawk> I think that pretty darn late in the process ;)
Jul 22 13:53:19 <pupnik> lol...  pcsx-bin_1.699df-rc3-1_armel.deb
Jul 22 13:53:26 <blkhawk> ?
Jul 22 13:53:39 <pupnik> going to try playstation emu on the 770
Jul 22 13:54:33 * pupnik wonders how many fpm it will get
Jul 22 13:56:56 <blkhawk> fpm? maybe 2
Jul 22 13:59:09 <gorlov> how I can use combination ctrl+c - ctrl+v on my n800?
Jul 22 14:01:28 <blkhawk> what version is NOLO on 2006/2007?
Jul 22 14:02:25 <blkhawk> anybody involved with 0xFFFF around?
Jul 22 14:06:09 <justin__> Has anyone tried to install maemo sdk 2.2 rootstrap on scratchbox with the packages in the scratchbox r4 package source?
Jul 22 14:13:20 <blkhawk> justin__: not me
Jul 22 14:20:29 <justin__> Are you using SDK 2.2?
Jul 22 14:21:58 <blkhawk> i currently have to use 1.1
Jul 22 14:22:29 <justin__> Why?
Jul 22 14:22:36 <blkhawk> justin__: could you tell me what NOLO version is shown when you run flasher with your device?
Jul 22 14:22:57 <justin__> I don't have the device yet.
Jul 22 14:22:58 <blkhawk> long story, short version I have a Prototype
Jul 22 14:23:08 <blkhawk> not a production model
Jul 22 14:23:10 <blkhawk> ah
Jul 22 14:23:19 <justin__> I ordered it, and I am trying to get my dev enviorment setup so I can start making programs.
Jul 22 14:23:26 <blkhawk> and ihave been warbed that flashing the bootloader might brick it
Jul 22 14:23:42 <blkhawk> justin__: just download the VMware appliance
Jul 22 14:25:02 <justin__> ?
Jul 22 14:27:41 <blkhawk> get the vmware appliance - it has all the stuff already installed
Jul 22 14:27:49 <blkhawk> you just need to run it
Jul 22 14:31:37 <justin__> If the rootstrap installed correctly I should have Xephyr right?
Jul 22 14:36:42 <pupnik> grr i need a psx demo program
Jul 22 14:46:32 <justin__> When I try to add files to the rootstrap it gives a cp error.
Jul 22 14:49:20 <pupnik> OpenGL on N800.  Want!
Jul 22 14:52:46 <pupnik> itt back yaay
Jul 22 15:02:59 <pupnik> 2.6.16.27-omap1  does it2007he v2 kernel have mmcplus 52mhz support?
Jul 22 15:10:26 <ppl> If I have a small Xlib program; is it possible to simply cross-compile using gcc and run the executable from xterm?
Jul 22 15:17:23 <pupnik> if you link it to the right things in scratchbox
Jul 22 15:17:57 <blkhawk> do you really need scratchbox
Jul 22 15:18:11 <blkhawk> i mean why not just cross compile it and be done
Jul 22 15:18:23 <pupnik> i guess not
Jul 22 15:20:38 <pupnik> fanoush's 770 flasher is sweet
Jul 22 15:21:43 <pupnik> Dune 2 is almost playable with unbroken Sound Blaster 16 sound in dosbox 0.65
Jul 22 15:22:33 <pupnik> the mmcplus kernel really helps
Jul 22 15:24:05 <blkhawk> pupnik: i wish I could get a hold of the 1.1 kernel source so i can try too ;)
Jul 22 15:24:25 <blkhawk> pupnik: cam you tell me what NOLO version is displayed when flashing?
Jul 22 15:24:52 <pupnik> i see no version message - am flashing from the device itself - not the PC flasher
Jul 22 15:28:07 <pupnik> a bit unstable though - seeing reboots
Jul 22 15:29:02 <blkhawk> dang
Jul 22 15:29:12 <blkhawk> I need to know what the NOLO version on 2006 is
Jul 22 15:29:38 <pupnik> have 2007he here
Jul 22 15:30:39 <agogo> can someone assist me with vncviewer on n800? thanks
Jul 22 15:33:46 <agogo> can someone assist me with vncviewer on n800?
Jul 22 15:34:29 <`0660> no thanks
Jul 22 15:38:54 <agogo> is everyone still asleep?
Jul 22 15:38:59 <blkhawk> I guess so
Jul 22 15:40:03 <pupnik> agogo: what's the problem
Jul 22 15:40:03 <_Monkey> the problem is when I try to save the javascript as bookmark, the script is too long and gets truncated so it won't work on the default opera browser in N770
Jul 22 15:40:13 <pupnik> hahaha
Jul 22 15:41:47 <agogo> hey pupnik..i installed vncviewer with the latest firmware on n800..but my n800 cannot connect to any of my local machines..desktop or laptop..i opened the ports on both machines..and forwarded ports on my router..but still getting "unable to connect" from vncviewer..using local IP address..no problems using vncviewer on desktop or laptop
Jul 22 15:41:58 <agogo> hey SeRi, I still have the same issues
Jul 22 15:43:15 <__pv> and youre typing something like 192.168.0.1:1 where 1 is the VNC display number?
Jul 22 15:43:33 <pupnik> what vnc server is running on your pc?
Jul 22 15:43:43 <pupnik> debian "vncserver"
Jul 22 15:43:45 <pupnik> ?
Jul 22 15:44:17 <agogo> realvnc
Jul 22 15:44:22 <agogo> pc is XP
Jul 22 15:44:56 <SeRi> I can see that
Jul 22 15:45:29 <agogo> no __Pv, i'm typing 192.168.1.100 only..lemme try with the :1
Jul 22 15:45:35 <SeRi> in XP you shouldnt have to type the display number
Jul 22 15:45:42 <SeRi> thats for UNIX, Linux only
Jul 22 15:45:47 <agogo> okay seri
Jul 22 15:45:58 <SeRi> Just the IP
Jul 22 15:45:59 <agogo> i also tried turning off my firewall
Jul 22 15:46:10 <SeRi> make sure the windows firewall is not on
Jul 22 15:46:12 <agogo> should i just install tight vnc?
Jul 22 15:46:49 <SeRi> You shouldnt have to it works for me just fine
Jul 22 15:46:55 <agogo> firewall not on..still unable to connect
Jul 22 15:47:04 <agogo> could this be an issue with the new firmware?
Jul 22 15:47:15 <timtimred> display number does work in xp..
Jul 22 15:47:18 <__pv> worksforme with debian vncserver
Jul 22 15:47:28 <__pv> and new firmware
Jul 22 15:47:31 <SeRi> when you put your mouse in top of the VNC server icon on the task bar what do you get?
Jul 22 15:47:55 <pupnik> cool, vnc works grate here
Jul 22 15:48:00 <agogo> Seri, it says "vnc server (user) 192.168.1.100"
Jul 22 15:48:19 <agogo> i'm so jealous..only vnc doesnt seem to work on my n800
Jul 22 15:48:19 <SeRi> <timtimred> display number does work in xp.. Really? how is that XP is not a multy user OS
Jul 22 15:48:41 <__pv> that has nothing to do with vnc's display number
Jul 22 15:48:59 <timtimred> really, i thought it was a multiuser os :)
Jul 22 15:49:13 <SeRi> each number indicates the X you are opening
Jul 22 15:49:30 <agogo> i tried reinstalling vncviewer too
Jul 22 15:49:59 <SeRi> what I mean you can not have multiple users loged in and work individually withouth having a damn MS license :P
Jul 22 15:50:02 <agogo> I am able to ping my n800..and the n800 can ping my laptop
Jul 22 15:50:04 <timtimred> right, so the first one is still 0 :)
Jul 22 15:50:28 <__pv> but you can surely run multiple vncservers as a single user
Jul 22 15:50:47 <SeRi> LOL I was refering at him using one which shouldnt work in XP... Well DUH 0 should work is default :)
Jul 22 15:51:27 <SeRi> @PV and they all would control the same desktop
Jul 22 15:51:30 <__pv> no
Jul 22 15:51:45 <__pv> typically in unix at least, vncserver is headless, i.e. runs its own X desktop
Jul 22 15:51:54 <SeRi> Agree
Jul 22 15:52:05 <SeRi> But not on XP
Jul 22 15:52:07 <__pv> don't know what some random software on windows does
Jul 22 15:52:15 <SeRi> Thats what I am talking about
Jul 22 15:52:20 <SeRi> You got it confuse :)
Jul 22 15:52:46 <SeRi> I said windows can not run a individual desktop for each user :)
Jul 22 15:52:58 <SeRi> But Linux can
Jul 22 15:53:29 <agogo> so any advice for me?
Jul 22 15:53:34 <agogo> reflash my n800?
Jul 22 15:53:35 <SeRi> Now RDP does that in windows but you need a license server
Jul 22 15:54:05 <SeRi> on license for each user...
Jul 22 15:54:32 <__pv> run some headless vnc server on cygwin then ;)
Jul 22 15:55:00 <SeRi> agogo... Why? Dont... Do this... what kind of firewall are you running
Jul 22 15:55:02 <SeRi> ?
Jul 22 15:55:05 <timtimred> you could try 192.168.1.100:0
Jul 22 15:55:19 <SeRi> @pv... LOL I guess that could be a solution?!? :P
Jul 22 15:56:01 <agogo> just windows firewall
Jul 22 15:56:28 <SeRi> see if your firewall is loging somebody trying to hit ports 5800 - 5900
Jul 22 15:56:32 <__pv> I remember that in windows XP there are some settings in addition to the firewall that control which ports can be opened
Jul 22 15:56:53 <SeRi> Thats only if the firewall is on ^^
Jul 22 15:56:57 <pupnik> vnc is real fun
Jul 22 15:57:08 <SeRi> ^^ Hell yea!
Jul 22 15:57:14 <SeRi> lol
Jul 22 15:57:23 <agogo> i turned the firewall off..but still cannot connect
Jul 22 15:57:47 <SeRi> there is something blocking it... Maybe AV or Security suite?!?
Jul 22 15:58:13 <pupnik> i can't find a way to pull up the virtual keyboard on vncviewer though
Jul 22 15:58:16 <pupnik> would be nice
Jul 22 15:59:26 <SeRi> There is
Jul 22 15:59:32 <agogo> it actually seems like my vncviewer requests is not even leaving the n800..nothing is logged on my fiewwall..and the "connection failed" msg is instant
Jul 22 15:59:55 <SeRi> Hit the pad and the VK comes up
Jul 22 16:00:56 <pupnik> hit what pad?
Jul 22 16:01:00 <pupnik> what is 'pad'?
Jul 22 16:01:16 <SeRi> right now I am on my N800 VNC to one of my systems using the virtual key board
Jul 22 16:01:20 <SeRi> :P
Jul 22 16:01:47 <pupnik> oh in the toolbar
Jul 22 16:01:49 <SeRi> when you connect to the vnc server you have a tool bar in the bottom
Jul 22 16:02:14 <agogo> I should actually have Seri log into my n800 remotely and what the hell is up with mine
Jul 22 16:02:48 <pupnik> heh
Jul 22 16:02:58 <pupnik> i think i'll install a vkbd on the linux box
Jul 22 16:03:10 <SeRi> :) If you have ssh Ill be more than glad to help... or the vnc server
Jul 22 16:03:22 <__pv> agogo: check your TCP/IP filtering settings http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Understanding-Advanced-TCP-IP-Settings-Windows-2003.html
Jul 22 16:03:32 <SeRi> vkbd roxor the boxor when using vnc
Jul 22 16:03:40 <SeRi> hehehe
Jul 22 16:04:14 <SeRi> Windows 2003.... Thats a sevrer didnt know it apply to XP....
Jul 22 16:04:16 <pupnik> 4fps on small videos hehe
Jul 22 16:04:32 <SeRi> going to check it out my self...
Jul 22 16:04:52 <__pv> well, I once spent a long time figuring out why some ports wouldn't open on XP, and that was the reason
Jul 22 16:05:35 <SeRi> c00l thanks for the link going to check it out for future refrence
Jul 22 16:06:55 <SeRi> One thing I love about my N800... I havent found something that I would like to do and couldnt in the N800
Jul 22 16:07:20 <agogo> there's one thing Seri..you can't video conf with pc users
Jul 22 16:07:22 <SeRi> one o the coolest settings is walking arround work and having claws mail check emails every 5Min and make a sound when emails arrive
Jul 22 16:07:39 <SeRi> I dont have to be in my office! I can be in the server room or walking arround :D
Jul 22 16:07:45 <Cegy> wats a good bluetooth app for the 770 so u r able to send and revice files?
Jul 22 16:07:50 <agogo> u r a super user Seri
Jul 22 16:07:51 <SeRi> I can :)
Jul 22 16:08:05 <pupnik> xvkbd works, but is not really integrated
Jul 22 16:08:13 <agogo> <SeRi> I can :) << vnc?
Jul 22 16:08:39 * agogo breakfast..brb
Jul 22 16:09:08 <SeRi> No. I use the Nokia Video conference for one on one
Jul 22 16:10:04 <SeRi> or gmail from tablet to tablet
Jul 22 16:10:52 <agogo> nokia vid conf no longer for pc users eh?
Jul 22 16:10:58 <SeRi> I dual boot for the video conference since the latest firmware does not have it
Jul 22 16:11:05 <agogo> oh..ok
Jul 22 16:11:28 <SeRi> But the stupid shit is that Nokia will suspend the protocol pass thru soon.
Jul 22 16:11:32 <SeRi> They suck ass!
Jul 22 16:11:46 <SeRi> :)
Jul 22 16:12:32 <Cegy> does anyone know wats a good bluetooth app for the 770 ?
Jul 22 16:13:04 <SeRi> Is not thrully PTP the PC user has to hit there server and than the N800 user
Jul 22 16:13:13 <SeRi> blueserial
Jul 22 16:13:17 <SeRi> Cegy^^
Jul 22 16:13:37 <SeRi> truely*
Jul 22 16:13:59 <SeRi> agogo... Any luck yet?
Jul 22 16:14:03 <Cegy> so blueserial SeRi ?
Jul 22 16:14:05 <Cegy> nope
Jul 22 16:14:06 <SeRi> yeap
Jul 22 16:14:06 <Cegy> :|
Jul 22 16:15:05 <SeRi> other than that just good for theathering and pairing for file transfer
Jul 22 16:15:35 <SeRi> excuse my english.. it sux
Jul 22 16:15:47 <Cegy> ok
Jul 22 16:15:48 <Cegy> :D
Jul 22 16:16:12 <SeRi> also there is a new media player that supports a2dp thats kind of cool but not sure if it works in N770
Jul 22 16:16:31 <Cegy> oh that sound good :D
Jul 22 16:16:53 <SeRi> whant the link?
Jul 22 16:17:43 <SeRi> https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki
Jul 22 16:17:53 <SeRi> use to be UKMP
Jul 22 16:18:35 <Cegy> i can't find that blueserial anywhere for me to be able to download it
Jul 22 16:18:57 <Cegy> or if i do its .tgz wat ever that is :|
Jul 22 16:20:30 <SeRi> trifinite.org
Jul 22 16:20:43 <SeRi> yes you have to extract it in your tablet
Jul 22 16:21:26 <Cegy> how how can u do that and does this allow me to send files with it ?
Jul 22 16:21:32 <SeRi> tar -xvzf filename.tar.gz
Jul 22 16:21:54 <SeRi> ooo you want obex transfer?
Jul 22 16:22:11 <SeRi> ooo than hold on here is something simpler
Jul 22 16:23:13 <Cegy> ok
Jul 22 16:23:48 <SeRi> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationcatalogwip/
Jul 22 16:24:02 <SeRi> Look  torse the end there is btxfer
Jul 22 16:24:06 <SeRi> Thats what you want
Jul 22 16:25:09 <SeRi> here is one btter and simpler to install also has a gui and icon for the taskbar
Jul 22 16:25:10 <SeRi> http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=description&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=obex&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=&org_openpsa_products_search%5B3%5D%5Bproperty%5D=license&org_openp
Jul 22 16:25:20 <SeRi> GOD!
Jul 22 16:25:33 <SeRi> lol thats a string for a serch in maemo.org
Jul 22 16:25:43 <Cegy> damn
Jul 22 16:25:44 <Cegy> :|
Jul 22 16:25:45 <Cegy> lol
Jul 22 16:25:51 <SeRi> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/btxfer
Jul 22 16:25:56 <SeRi> There you thats better
Jul 22 16:25:58 <SeRi> lol
Jul 22 16:26:38 <Cegy> thank u
Jul 22 16:26:53 <SeRi> n/p
Jul 22 16:28:13 <SeRi> agogo you still in?
Jul 22 16:28:27 <Cegy> yep
Jul 22 16:28:32 <Cegy> nice program :D
Jul 22 16:29:26 <SeRi> You change nick?
Jul 22 16:30:00 <SeRi> Yea is preatty c00l
Jul 22 16:30:05 <Cegy> i've got a good question i've got openssh install on the 770 and winscp so i can get to my files as i know how to get the root but my question is am i able to send files to it aswell through th winscp ?
Jul 22 16:31:04 <gomiam> Cegy: you should
Jul 22 16:31:08 <SeRi> Yes you can
Jul 22 16:31:27 <gomiam> at least I have been able to do that with command-line SCP
Jul 22 16:31:52 <Cegy> 2 secs
Jul 22 16:32:30 <SeRi> scp filename_here user@add.re.ss.here:/path/to/destination
Jul 22 16:33:15 <SeRi> or scp /path/to/file user@add.re.ss.here:/path/to/destination
Jul 22 16:36:50 <Cegy> so i can't drag and drop then?
Jul 22 16:37:00 <Cegy> like to send to file to the meeory card
Jul 22 16:37:52 <SeRi> from the device it self or from a command line remote system
Jul 22 16:37:53 <SeRi> ?
Jul 22 16:38:19 <SeRi> from the dive you just use the cp command
Jul 22 16:38:28 <SeRi> device*
Jul 22 16:39:33 <SeRi> I am all out for google since they support OpenSource but damn manthey are starting to take over evrything...
Jul 22 16:39:40 <SeRi> Now the 700Mhz spectrum
Jul 22 16:41:26 <agogo> Seri..u rang?
Jul 22 16:41:34 <SeRi> yes
Jul 22 16:41:44 <SeRi> How are you doing there with vnc?
Jul 22 16:41:57 <agogo> just had breakfast..no success with vnc
Jul 22 16:42:11 <SeRi> ooo well Good Morning.. hehehehe
Jul 22 16:42:11 <agogo> still immediate "connection failed" msg
Jul 22 16:42:29 <agogo> maybe not breakfast..but brunch
Jul 22 16:42:34 <SeRi> Mhhh you can ping the pc right?
Jul 22 16:42:45 <agogo> yup..no problem pinging back and forth
Jul 22 16:42:53 <pupnik> heh reboots
Jul 22 16:42:55 <__pv> and it wasn't the tcp/ip filter settings on the xp?
Jul 22 16:43:13 <agogo> i turned off my firewall and all anti virus apps
Jul 22 16:43:45 <__pv> i think that's not enough, since the tcp/ip filters are behind them
Jul 22 16:43:51 <agogo> but whats weird is why i can use my laptop to vnc to desktop and vice versa..withiout turning off firewall or doing anything special..but not for n800
Jul 22 16:44:03 <__pv> ok, then its not that problem
Jul 22 16:44:16 <SeRi> agogo change the ports on the VNC server to something higher
Jul 22 16:44:18 <SeRi> try that
Jul 22 16:44:22 <agogo> okay
Jul 22 16:44:37 <SeRi> than at the viewer do 192.168.1.xxx:portnumber
Jul 22 16:45:28 <agogo> again immediate connection failed
Jul 22 16:46:20 <SeRi> Mhhhhh
Jul 22 16:47:26 <agogo> i tried 16881 port..failed..used port forwarder check..16881 failed udp check..5900 passes
Jul 22 16:47:31 <agogo> this is on the laptop
Jul 22 16:48:30 <agogo> okay..port 8000 is open..used that..failed again
Jul 22 16:48:37 <SeRi> you shouldnt have to forward ports.... if is in the internal NAT
Jul 22 16:48:57 <NeoStrider> hello folks
Jul 22 16:49:03 <SeRi> hello there
Jul 22 16:50:06 <NeoStrider> whats up, doc?
Jul 22 16:50:17 <agogo> lemme try the other way around..install vncserver on n800..and try to view it from laptop
Jul 22 16:50:39 <SeRi> good idea
Jul 22 16:53:59 <agogo> while i install x11vnc..all of the installations are installed on the internal memory or? how many programs can I install until n800 says no more?
Jul 22 16:54:56 <SeRi> Dont wait till the M800 tells you install a packege call diskusage and watch your space
Jul 22 16:55:08 <SeRi> fulling your root directory can render your device unusable
Jul 22 16:55:14 <SeRi> N800*
Jul 22 16:55:39 <agogo> root directory saves on somethins separate than the internal and external sd?
Jul 22 16:56:06 <SeRi> the sd are seperate
Jul 22 16:56:43 <SeRi> you can see whats going on there by going to control panel --- memory
Jul 22 16:57:11 <agogo> okay..i isntalled x11vnc..tried to run it..but there doesn't seem to be anything popping up..normal?
Jul 22 16:57:18 <SeRi> Yes normal
Jul 22 16:57:38 <SeRi> You can run pas x you should be able to see it in xter with tha command
Jul 22 16:57:42 <SeRi> ps x
Jul 22 16:57:56 <SeRi> damn man my typos are getting worst!
Jul 22 17:00:21 <agogo> i see x11vnc running with psx, laptop unable to connect to it
Jul 22 17:00:49 <SeRi> ok now type iptables -L
Jul 22 17:01:06 <SeRi> there should be no entry
Jul 22 17:01:51 <agogo> in root eh? coz now when i type it..no iptables found
Jul 22 17:02:08 <SeRi> yes root
Jul 22 17:02:29 <SeRi> sorry I assume
Jul 22 17:02:52 <agogo> okay..I see Chain input, output, forward..but no entries
Jul 22 17:03:11 <agogo> just empty target, prot opt source, destination
Jul 22 17:03:25 <agogo> by the way..you type fast if you are using ur n800 to vnc, Seri
Jul 22 17:04:22 <SeRi> o no not no more
Jul 22 17:04:25 <SeRi> :)
Jul 22 17:04:45 <SeRi> cam back to the family room :) kids are running everywhere
Jul 22 17:05:04 <agogo> so nothin u can see there?
Jul 22 17:05:16 <SeRi> ok c00l so is empty now lets just try a reboot
Jul 22 17:05:20 <SeRi> shutdown -r now
Jul 22 17:06:24 <agogo> it won't do anything after i typed in shutdown -r
Jul 22 17:06:32 <SeRi> you need the now
Jul 22 17:06:39 <SeRi> :)
Jul 22 17:06:48 <SeRi> shutdown -r now
Jul 22 17:06:53 <SeRi> Thats the command ^^
Jul 22 17:07:00 <SeRi> have to be root
Jul 22 17:07:11 <agogo> cool..i thought u were just being commanding..NOW!!
Jul 22 17:07:57 <agogo> allright..restarted
Jul 22 17:08:08 <agogo> turn on x11vnc and try again?
Jul 22 17:08:40 <SeRi> lol
Jul 22 17:08:52 <SeRi> Yes try the x11vnc
Jul 22 17:09:00 <agogo> maybe its relavant..but my media stream cannot see upnp server from desktop
Jul 22 17:09:33 <agogo> succes!!!!!
Jul 22 17:09:36 <SeRi> ;)
Jul 22 17:10:04 <agogo> i can see my n800 now..but cannot do anything..but thats a different story
Jul 22 17:10:11 <agogo> lemme try the other way around
Jul 22 17:10:11 <SeRi> c00l I am happy is all working
Jul 22 17:10:24 <SeRi> yes you you can you just dont see the pointer
Jul 22 17:10:45 <SeRi> oo and clicks dont work on the meny bar buton everything else does
Jul 22 17:11:02 <SeRi> If you want a pointer I can give you a script to enable and disable pointer
Jul 22 17:11:13 <SeRi> menu*
Jul 22 17:11:24 <agogo> allright..but later :)
Jul 22 17:11:32 <SeRi> VNC should work too
Jul 22 17:11:45 <agogo> my x11vnc turned off when the screen blacked out
Jul 22 17:11:56 <SeRi> oo it didnt is just a flash
Jul 22 17:12:04 <SeRi> move the mouse
Jul 22 17:12:33 <SeRi> It use to happen to me but all i did was move the mouse
Jul 22 17:12:48 <SeRi> or refresh the screen
Jul 22 17:12:53 <agogo> hmm..now i cant reconnect
Jul 22 17:13:29 <SeRi> Mhhhhhh
Jul 22 17:13:40 <agogo> okay..success only on first try
Jul 22 17:13:41 <SeRi> Try to reconnect whith the screen on
Jul 22 17:13:48 <SeRi> ok
Jul 22 17:13:51 <agogo> oppps..spoke too soon
Jul 22 17:13:54 <agogo> success again
Jul 22 17:13:59 <SeRi> ok now disconnect and try vnc client
Jul 22 17:14:33 <SeRi> Man seems like you have Networking issues there if you are getting disconnected that often
Jul 22 17:15:55 <agogo> maybe..my wireless connection with n800 drops a lot..have to reconnect every now and then..never a problem with laptop or desktop
Jul 22 17:16:23 <agogo> but now its okay..but vncviewer saying "cannot connect to server"
Jul 22 17:16:58 <SeRi> what kind of router you have?
Jul 22 17:17:06 <agogo> linksys
Jul 22 17:17:24 <SeRi> version?
Jul 22 17:17:32 <SeRi> WRT54G? GS?
Jul 22 17:17:48 <agogo> wrt54g
Jul 22 17:18:08 <SeRi> 3rd party firmware?
Jul 22 17:18:20 <SeRi> openWRT? DD-WRT?
Jul 22 17:18:24 <agogo> nope..default
Jul 22 17:18:55 <agogo> original firmware..never updated
Jul 22 17:19:12 <SeRi> Mhhhhhhh I think thats the problem..... Any wais what kind of signal strength you have?
Jul 22 17:20:20 <agogo> with n800..3 bars
Jul 22 17:20:28 <agogo> lemme find a firmware update
Jul 22 17:20:40 <SeRi> ok
Jul 22 17:21:15 <SeRi> I think your router has issues a firmware update wouldnt hust... unless you manage to brick it :P
Jul 22 17:21:23 <SeRi> hurtt*
Jul 22 17:21:45 <NeoStrider> uploading my project to garage's svn! \o/
Jul 22 17:22:06 <SeRi> nice
Jul 22 17:22:12 <SeRi> what project?
Jul 22 17:22:31 <NeoStrider> angstron
Jul 22 17:22:35 <NeoStrider> that armagetron clone
Jul 22 17:22:46 <SeRi> Ahh the game c00l
Jul 22 17:22:48 <SeRi> !
Jul 22 17:23:01 <NeoStrider> you know it?
Jul 22 17:23:58 <agogo> Seri..i'm ashamed to ask..how do i update the firmware? downloaded the .bin file
Jul 22 17:23:58 <NeoStrider> (oh no...I did a mistake)
Jul 22 17:24:34 <SeRi> Yes I saw your release in maemo
Jul 22 17:24:43 <SeRi> agogo download the bin file
Jul 22 17:25:05 <SeRi> dont try the 3rd party just use linksys
Jul 22 17:25:05 <agogo> reading the manual now..
Jul 22 17:25:09 <SeRi> ok
Jul 22 17:25:10 <agogo> i think i can do this
Jul 22 17:25:28 <SeRi> let me know if you need help I am going to idle for a bit
Jul 22 17:25:48 <SeRi> setting the ftp server for everybody in ITT
Jul 22 17:33:46 <agogo> seri..upgrade done...vncviewer unable to connect
Jul 22 17:34:06 <NeoStrider> hey!
Jul 22 17:34:08 <NeoStrider> http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/
Jul 22 17:34:32 <NeoStrider> the background image is off?!
Jul 22 17:34:39 <NeoStrider> oh...ok...now it worked
Jul 22 17:35:41 <SomeoneE1se> anyone know the advrage battery life on the n800
Jul 22 17:36:10 <SeRi> did you reboot the N800?
Jul 22 17:36:40 <alterego> SomeoneE1se, mine lasts for 6 hours of general usage.
Jul 22 17:36:47 <alterego> That's browsing the web and stuff.
Jul 22 17:37:05 <SomeoneE1se> does it die if you leave it unplugged overnight?
Jul 22 17:37:42 <alterego> Nope.
Jul 22 17:37:49 <alterego> Unless the battery was already flat.
Jul 22 17:38:08 <alterego> It can last for days no "stand-by" which is basically when it's idle and doing nothing.
Jul 22 17:38:17 <alterego> s/no/on
Jul 22 17:39:37 <SomeoneE1se> well then I hope it was flat
Jul 22 17:39:50 <SomeoneE1se> else my battery is fubard
Jul 22 17:39:54 <alterego> Heh
Jul 22 17:40:16 <alterego> Does it turn on?
Jul 22 17:44:51 <SomeoneE1se> yes
Jul 22 17:45:34 <SomeoneE1se> i was useing a few hours last night and locked the key pad beforfe i want to bed (about 1am) and woke up (about 9am) and the batteyr was dead
Jul 22 17:45:41 <SomeoneE1se> it's charging now
Jul 22 17:45:59 <SomeoneE1se> I had left the battery in the car I let my firend borrow
Jul 22 17:47:24 <NeoStrider> hi unique311
Jul 22 17:49:37 <unique311> hello NeoStrider
Jul 22 17:50:04 <NeoStrider> do you have yout device on internet right now?
Jul 22 17:50:50 <unique311> yes
Jul 22 17:50:57 <unique311> its always
Jul 22 17:51:15 <unique311>  broadband a beautiful thing
Jul 22 17:51:50 <NeoStrider> so, please test this website for me?
Jul 22 17:51:51 <NeoStrider> http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/
Jul 22 17:52:04 <NeoStrider> tell me if its easy to navigate through it with the table
Jul 22 17:52:06 <NeoStrider> tablet
Jul 22 17:53:23 <Sho_> too bad there's no driver for the PowerVR MBX OpenGL ES chip in the system
Jul 22 17:53:51 <VladDrac> dark blue on dark background.. you must dislike visitors :)
Jul 22 17:53:53 <SomeoneE1se> NeoStrider I can tell from my descktop teh banner is WAY to big
Jul 22 17:54:12 <SomeoneE1se> the banner should be no more then 850px wide
Jul 22 17:54:22 <NeoStrider> actually, its taken from the game tittle screen
Jul 22 17:54:27 <NeoStrider> so it should fit
Jul 22 17:54:32 <Sho_> SomeoneE1se: It's 799px wide
Jul 22 17:54:46 <Sho_> (which is still too wide to fit into the non-fullscreen browser without fit-to-width view)
Jul 22 17:54:48 <SomeoneE1se> is there a good irc client for the n800
Jul 22 17:54:59 <SomeoneE1se> Sho_ now eveyone uses full screen
Jul 22 17:55:10 <SomeoneE1se> gtg
Jul 22 17:55:14 <NeoStrider> yeah...your're right
Jul 22 17:55:27 <NeoStrider> testing offline with my 770
Jul 22 17:55:30 <NeoStrider> it sucked eheh
Jul 22 17:56:33 <NeoStrider> and about the font colors?
Jul 22 17:57:15 <NeoStrider> ok...
Jul 22 17:57:17 <NeoStrider> BRB
Jul 22 17:57:19 <NeoStrider> lunch
Jul 22 17:59:04 <SomeoneE1se> the bground img is to bid it will take less tiem to download smaller
Jul 22 18:03:31 <__pv> xchat?
Jul 22 18:13:27 <__pv> what kind of network file sharing systems does the maemo file manager see?
Jul 22 18:13:43 <__pv> it appears to detect and show mythtv, but what else?
Jul 22 18:17:05 <SeRi> orb
Jul 22 18:17:06 <SeRi> Ushare
Jul 22 18:17:28 <SeRi> Tversity
Jul 22 18:17:46 <SeRi> Ushare is what I use in my network
Jul 22 18:18:16 * Sho_ has installed the CIFS kernel module and mounts CIFS shares via Xterm
Jul 22 18:26:42 <jga23> is there a version of rsync for maemo?
Jul 22 18:27:19 <SeRi> yes
Jul 22 18:27:31 <SeRi> apt-get install rsync grsync
Jul 22 18:28:15 <SeRi> or
Jul 22 18:28:17 <SeRi> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/grsync
Jul 22 18:28:29 <SeRi> There is also rdiff-backup
Jul 22 18:29:48 <jga23> sweet thank
Jul 22 18:30:13 <SeRi> no problem
Jul 22 18:30:23 <celesteh_frackin> hi, i'm trying to install jalimo, but i don't understand which pieces that i need
Jul 22 18:31:02 <SeRi> jalimo....?!?
Jul 22 18:31:06 <SeRi> link me please
Jul 22 18:31:21 <celesteh_frackin> http://jalimo.org
Jul 22 18:32:12 <SeRi> ahhhhh
Jul 22 18:32:14 <SeRi> ok
Jul 22 18:32:17 <SeRi> give me a sec
Jul 22 18:32:35 <celesteh_frackin> thanks.
Jul 22 18:33:05 <celesteh_frackin> is there a better java distro?  I just want to run stupid java apps, like a flickr uploader and some google toys
Jul 22 18:33:48 <SeRi> No I thinks thats the best it gets
Jul 22 18:33:53 <SeRi> looks like there is a click to install
Jul 22 18:33:55 <SeRi> http://jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages
Jul 22 18:34:22 <SeRi> That should make it easy to install that will add a repo to your application manager and install everything you need
Jul 22 18:34:51 <jga23> Seri, what repositories do I need for rsync?
Jul 22 18:35:03 <SeRi> Use the click to install jga23
Jul 22 18:35:39 <SeRi> never mind jga23
Jul 22 18:36:13 <SeRi> just download the debfiles and use apt-get -i file_name.deb
Jul 22 18:36:40 <SeRi> or use the application manager to install deb
Jul 22 18:37:07 <jga23> k
Jul 22 18:37:26 <jga23> what is grsync for?
Jul 22 18:38:04 <SeRi> is a GUI for rsync
Jul 22 18:38:09 <SeRi> make things easier
Jul 22 18:43:10 <celesteh_frackin> SeRi, the click to install does not work
Jul 22 18:43:24 <SeRi> waz up unique311
Jul 22 18:43:39 <unique311> doing good
Jul 22 18:43:57 <SeRi> c00l... just a boring sudnay here
Jul 22 18:44:02 <SeRi> sunday*
Jul 22 18:44:36 <unique311> same here..
Jul 22 18:45:06 <SeRi> hehehe I am not sure if to apply for a page at maemo.org for my projects or to start blogging...
Jul 22 18:45:29 <unique311> blogging sounds good..
Jul 22 18:45:52 <SeRi> what blogging page you recomend?
Jul 22 18:47:29 <SeRi> wordpress seems ok
Jul 22 18:52:28 <whaq> Heya
Jul 22 18:52:31 <whaq> Can the N800 print to PDF?
Jul 22 18:52:40 <whaq> (web pages on opera, say)
Jul 22 18:57:14 <SeRi> not sure I dont think
Jul 22 18:57:24 <SeRi> I dont think it has convert
Jul 22 19:03:36 <whaq> SeRi: what about printing? cups or samba?
Jul 22 19:04:16 <SeRi> cups no
Jul 22 19:04:26 <SeRi> if no cups no printing ;)
Jul 22 19:04:28 <SeRi> no lpr
Jul 22 19:04:32 <SeRi> samba yes
Jul 22 19:04:43 <agogo> Seri, hows your Sunday work going on
Jul 22 19:05:00 <whaq> oh..
Jul 22 19:05:06 <megabyte405> SeRi: what are you printing from?
Jul 22 19:05:11 <whaq> hmm..
Jul 22 19:05:22 <SeRi> HAHAHAHAHAHA @ agogo
Jul 22 19:05:29 <SeRi> Is going good...
Jul 22 19:05:33 <SeRi> :P
Jul 22 19:05:43 <whaq> a device w/ this size w/ evernote or onenote would be killer for note taking..
Jul 22 19:05:59 <SeRi> @megabyte405 I dont print from my N800 or 770
Jul 22 19:06:10 <megabyte405> ah
Jul 22 19:06:39 <whaq> megabyte405: I was asking whether you can print from n800 to a physical printer or not..
Jul 22 19:06:52 <megabyte405> whaq: in theory, over samba :)
Jul 22 19:07:00 <megabyte405> you'd need to build some printing libraries though
Jul 22 19:07:01 <agogo> Seri, I'm moving on from vnc to trying to use CIFS (aka i've given up on vnc)
Jul 22 19:07:12 <SeRi> ok cifs is very simple
Jul 22 19:07:19 <whaq> megabyte405: ok, thanks :] that's pretty abundant (samba print servers) here
Jul 22 19:07:39 <whaq> megabyte405: what printing libraries? how?
Jul 22 19:07:43 <SeRi> If you go to ITT I posted a cifs script that automates the mounting for you and the cifs.ko insertion
Jul 22 19:08:02 <megabyte405> whaq: it's pretty in depth
Jul 22 19:08:03 <agogo> cool..i'm typing it out right now..what is ITT again?
Jul 22 19:08:04 <SeRi> @megabyte405: In theory yes but is not possible in the N800
Jul 22 19:08:11 <whaq> megabyte405: alright nevermind then..
Jul 22 19:08:17 <SeRi> internettablettalk.com
Jul 22 19:08:23 <megabyte405> you'd need to build libgnomeprint and some backend (cups or lpr), and hook it up to samba
Jul 22 19:08:33 <megabyte405> then compile a program to use libgnomeprint, like abiword
Jul 22 19:08:36 <SeRi> yeap meaning porting lpr or cups
Jul 22 19:08:38 <megabyte405> AKA - not for end users
Jul 22 19:08:48 <agogo> internettabletalk :P..shouldve known
Jul 22 19:08:49 <SeRi> hehehe ^^
Jul 22 19:08:50 <whaq> anyhow, it's probably easier and simpler to export the docs to SD or CIFS share and have a proper desktop print the docs out
Jul 22 19:08:53 <megabyte405> SeRi: well, those are just daemons/command line - easy peasy
Jul 22 19:09:00 <agogo> lemme search for "Seri cifs script"
Jul 22 19:09:18 <SeRi> not sure about cups but lpr should be simple
Jul 22 19:09:25 <SeRi> LOL
Jul 22 19:09:29 <SeRi> hold on agogo
Jul 22 19:09:33 <whaq> lots of linux mobile device emerging..
Jul 22 19:09:58 * agogo holding on
Jul 22 19:10:09 <unique311> my connection just went silly on me
Jul 22 19:11:00 <SeRi> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=55698&postcount=1
Jul 22 19:11:05 <SeRi> agogo^^
Jul 22 19:11:28 <agogo> nice seri..thanks
Jul 22 19:12:11 <SeRi> n/p
Jul 22 19:12:29 <SeRi> Just make sure you downlod cifs.ko
Jul 22 19:12:55 <agogo> already have cifs.ko..now just to understand what the hell that you're saying here on the post :)
Jul 22 19:13:43 <SeRi> lol :)
Jul 22 19:15:53 <SeRi> wife is about to get home/... so support for the day will end soon :)
Jul 22 19:17:24 <agogo> hmphh..ithought i installed unzip..apparently not
Jul 22 19:20:44 <agogo> seri..your scripts.zip..its obviously a zip..or is it a rar? unzip says its not a zip file
Jul 22 19:24:03 <SeRi> I dont remember I am going to tar it
Jul 22 19:24:20 <agogo> it is a rar file..had to use unrar
Jul 22 19:24:47 <agogo> however,i have saved it in my .documents..so will need to figure out how to move that stuff to /usr/bin
Jul 22 19:24:54 <SeRi> I think is a rar
Jul 22 19:25:18 <SeRi> you need to edit them and make it work for your path
Jul 22 19:25:23 <SeRi> ok guys wife is here
Jul 22 19:25:35 <agogo> okay
Jul 22 19:25:47 <SeRi> cya!
Jul 22 19:25:51 <SeRi> ill be back later
Jul 22 19:29:25 <pupnik> got onscreen buttons working in Ur Quan Masters - testers needed.  I am too lame with combat to kill anything.
Jul 22 19:29:38 <SeRi> ooo by the way agogo if you need more help I also hang arround in ITT
Jul 22 19:30:09 <SeRi> I think most of us in here do
Jul 22 19:36:26 <agogo> thanks Seri
Jul 22 19:36:35 <agogo> has anyone used Seri's automount for Cifs?
Jul 22 19:45:13 <NeoStrider> whats going on, fellows?
Jul 22 19:45:31 * pupnik got onscreen buttons working in UQM just now
Jul 22 19:46:20 <pupnik> they make it playable :) sorta.  combat is still hellaciously tough for me.
Jul 22 19:46:33 <pupnik> can my app set the screen sensitivity to be higher?
Jul 22 19:46:50 <pupnik> salut NeoStrider
Jul 22 19:47:03 <NeoStrider> hey pupnik!
Jul 22 19:47:27 <NeoStrider> obligatory self-promotion to pupnik: http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ ;-Ç
Jul 22 19:47:29 <NeoStrider> =-P
Jul 22 19:47:34 <pupnik> if i start tweaking with the difficulty the game developers will string me up
Jul 22 19:47:45 <pupnik> yeah i saw - will try that
Jul 22 19:48:11 <NeoStrider> urquam masters?
Jul 22 19:48:22 <NeoStrider> (did I spelled it correcly?)
Jul 22 19:48:47 <pupnik> Google: Results 1 - 50 of about 326 for "star control 2" "greatest game ever"
Jul 22 19:49:00 <pupnik> Ur-Quan Masters
Jul 22 19:50:07 <NeoStrider> hahahhaha
Jul 22 19:50:40 <pupnik> I have a feeling this game is way too hard as-is for the nokia controls.
Jul 22 19:51:49 <pupnik> ITT forums increased number of private messages allowed.  Yaay
Jul 22 19:52:01 <pupnik> maybe it was my 51st private message that crashed it :P
Jul 22 19:52:26 <pupnik> If anyone can help test, drop a message to ArnimS in internettablettalk.com forums
Jul 22 19:52:29 <NeoStrider> pupnik, I have a feeling any game is way too hard as-is for the nokia controls.
Jul 22 19:52:43 <NeoStrider> whe must re-think our interfaces
Jul 22 19:53:26 <pupnik> http://www.smartgamepad.com/
Jul 22 19:53:36 <pupnik> that could be modified to fit around the n770/800
Jul 22 19:54:23 <pupnik> you'd have to saw it in half and lengthen it, or build a whole new case
Jul 22 19:55:16 <NeoStrider> ugly! hahaha
Jul 22 19:55:21 <NeoStrider> but would be nice
Jul 22 19:58:10 <cbx33> hey all
Jul 22 20:01:08 <NeoStrider> hey cbx33!
Jul 22 20:01:51 <badvoc> Hi, Quick question to the n770 users that are running Hacker Edition OS. Is it still worth is if your not botherd about web browsing ?
Jul 22 20:04:04 <milhouse> Browsing was fine for me on 2007HE
Jul 22 20:07:07 <verto> Hey all, has anyone come across any kind of program (even cooprate) that would allow me to stream my music from a computer over the web? I have a domain pointing to my ip address that I can manipulate to a port so I can access my music from anywhere, but without tunneling it wont play. I am looking for something a lil easier that would just set it up as if it were a internet radio station. Any ideas?
Jul 22 20:07:20 <badvoc> thanks for responding, I have a n770 on ordure and the upgrade to 2007HE is intresting for me to boost the storage on the device as i understand the standard amount is 1Gb He is 2Gb,
Jul 22 20:08:02 <NeoStrider> verto... i guess canola does that
Jul 22 20:08:04 <milhouse> 2GB is available in latest OS 2006 also
Jul 22 20:08:31 <milhouse> You don't need 2007HE to use 2GB memory cards
Jul 22 20:09:39 <badvoc> Ah Great thanks for the clues. back to reading faq's
Jul 22 20:09:48 <pupnik> icecast is a streaming server for linux
Jul 22 20:10:16 <verto> I am reading through iceast atm
Jul 22 20:10:21 <verto> icecast*
Jul 22 20:10:27 <pupnik> badvoc: i had a 2gb card on it2006 no problems
Jul 22 20:10:29 <pupnik> just slow
Jul 22 20:10:50 <pupnik> but you can flash to a 52mhz mmcplus kernel for either 2006 or 2007
Jul 22 20:11:04 <verto> I have already tried several, I don't have linux on a machine atm, I have been meaning to fix that, but been a lil busy. So canola is a no-go. Icecast has a windows version I am trying now
Jul 22 20:11:21 <pupnik> there is an #icecast channel here iirc
Jul 22 20:12:00 <verto> on freenode?
Jul 22 20:12:09 <pupnik> y
Jul 22 20:12:11 <verto> pupnik: thanks
Jul 22 20:15:52 <cbx33> anyone here good with scratchbox
Jul 22 20:23:24 <SeRi> I love htop :)
Jul 22 20:29:30 <pupnik> cbx33: just ask the question
Jul 22 20:31:08 <pupnik> I have some dead notebook batteries to give away, free of charge.
Jul 22 20:31:24 * pupnik ducks
Jul 22 20:32:17 * thoughtfix wanders back
Jul 22 20:34:18 <pupnik> I liked your n800 successor blog entry
Jul 22 20:34:23 <pupnik> good ideas imo
Jul 22 20:34:42 <thoughtfix> Thanks. Actually my readers offered the best ideas in comments
Jul 22 20:34:53 <verto> Woo, I just got slimserver working
Jul 22 20:35:00 <pupnik> pretty contradictory ideas about what people want
Jul 22 20:35:28 <verto> Very easy, it reads a directory and syncs with other players to make playlists. Streams my music to my domain
Jul 22 20:35:37 <pupnik> i think the idea about gaming-compatible buttons on the side just won't sit well with people looking at these primarily as tablets
Jul 22 20:35:39 <verto> my n800 is playing it now
Jul 22 20:36:17 <thoughtfix> But that's the point
Jul 22 20:36:20 <thoughtfix> Contradictory ideas
Jul 22 20:36:25 <pupnik> on the other hand, if they made another sliding case, there could be optional cases with integrated buttons on the side... They'd be larger and more bulky, but you would have the option for the normal case, or the case + buttons
Jul 22 20:36:32 <thoughtfix> Maybe there will be more than one internet tablet in the product line at a time.
Jul 22 20:36:38 <thoughtfix> Perhaps a slate and a slider or a clamshell
Jul 22 20:36:44 <pupnik> mhm
Jul 22 20:36:51 <thoughtfix> To be honest, I don't think people like clamshells as much as slates and sliders
Jul 22 20:37:07 <cbx33> verto cool
Jul 22 20:37:10 <pupnik> yes the clamshells look old school - i think marketing wise they're not so popular
Jul 22 20:37:13 <bburd> Hello -- I'm new to the Nokia770, new to this chat room, etc. and I have a question...
Jul 22 20:37:24 <pupnik> welcome bburd
Jul 22 20:37:32 <bburd> Thank you.
Jul 22 20:39:22 <thoughtfix> This is where the Palm Foleo went wrong. It tried to make a "laptop companion" in subnotebook size and form factor
Jul 22 20:39:28 <thoughtfix> At the cost of some current subnotebooks, too.
Jul 22 20:39:39 <bburd> I'm trying to install GPS software. First I have to install libpcre3. I downloaded the .deb file from http://www.elisanet.fi/tapio.tolvanen/nokia770.html, but when I try to install it, I get an "unable to install package ... incompatible with existing software" message. I'm using the application installer to do the install. I've already installed some other software. Could there be a conflict? If so, how do I find out what conflicts with what?
Jul 22 20:39:55 <thoughtfix> The ONLY advantage it has is instant-on and battery life. Everything else (especially the propretary OS) is a disadvantage.
Jul 22 20:40:44 <pupnik> ya.  i like the styling tho
Jul 22 20:40:58 <milhouse> you may as well carry a laptop
Jul 22 20:41:57 <pupnik> if those openembedded guys ever get their kernel working on the psion netbook pro, i'm going to be really tempted
Jul 22 20:42:52 <pupnik> i just love the book-size form factor
Jul 22 20:43:14 <pupnik> but the n770 + bt keyboard is more practical imo
Jul 22 20:44:00 <pupnik> if the 800 successor comes with opengl we're going to see Playstation and N64 emus on it :)
Jul 22 20:44:16 <thoughtfix> My hope is that the N800 keep it's features and size, boost up CPU power to handle Web 2.0 better, and offer a scroll wheel and OPTIONAL snap-on keyboard case
Jul 22 20:44:26 <thoughtfix> So it's a convertible slate/slider.
Jul 22 20:44:33 <thoughtfix> or slate/clamshell
Jul 22 20:44:46 <milhouse> i'd like to see the N800 successor shrink a little in size... something close to the 770
Jul 22 20:44:47 <pupnik> would you keep the integrated slider?
Jul 22 20:45:02 <pupnik> optional clamshell sounds great imo
Jul 22 20:45:02 <milhouse> the n800 is barely pocket friendly as it is
Jul 22 20:45:06 <pupnik> agree
Jul 22 20:45:12 <thoughtfix> milhouse: Good idea. Make it fit more pockets. But then it'd have to lose the bezel (and buttons) and speaker size
Jul 22 20:45:14 <verto> bbured: did you already update the n800 itself?
Jul 22 20:45:23 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jul 22 20:45:33 <thoughtfix> But then the N95 media phone has awesome speakers and is smaller, so Nokia has good microspeaker technology
Jul 22 20:45:33 <milhouse> thoughtfix - i could lose one speaker, stereo speakers are _not_ necessary
Jul 22 20:45:51 <thoughtfix> True - but make it loud enough to work as a VOIP speakerphone
Jul 22 20:46:02 <pupnik> bburd: one way to see conflicts is with apt-get show <packagename>
Jul 22 20:46:17 <milhouse> thoughtfix - agreed, but if it had a2dp and bt headset support...
Jul 22 20:46:29 <pupnik> those little speakers in phones nowadays are all electrostatic afaik.  fantastic performance
Jul 22 20:46:36 <bburd> Verto, I don't know what you mean by "update." I'm using the 770 OS.
Jul 22 20:47:05 <bburd> pupnik - I'll try apt-get right now...
Jul 22 20:47:12 <VimSi> N95 with the screen and the os of N800 ... *dream*
Jul 22 20:47:22 <pupnik> bburd: sorry bad advice
Jul 22 20:47:26 <thoughtfix> milhouse: Didn't someone in this channel hack A2DP to work?
Jul 22 20:47:34 <milhouse> yes, trevathan
Jul 22 20:47:47 <milhouse> trevarthan
Jul 22 20:47:48 <_Monkey> trevarthan is a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with my mom.
Jul 22 20:47:55 <milhouse> errr...
Jul 22 20:47:59 <bburd> pupnik - aptget won't help?
Jul 22 20:48:24 <pupnik> bburd: i think you need a libpcre with "armel" in the name for OS it2006
Jul 22 20:48:27 <pupnik> "arm" was 2005
Jul 22 20:48:47 <thoughtfix> Hmm ... Anyone have trevarthan's contact info?
Jul 22 20:49:00 <bburd> pupnik - where do I get the correct libpcre?
Jul 22 20:49:06 <milhouse> kagu?
Jul 22 20:49:06 <_Monkey> kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu
Jul 22 20:49:14 <milhouse> maybe somewhere on that web site
Jul 22 20:49:30 <pupnik> dunno - must google for it bburd  or contact the maintainer tapio.tolvanen@gmail.com
Jul 22 20:49:35 <milhouse> alternatively
Jul 22 20:49:36 <milhouse> a2dp?
Jul 22 20:49:36 <_Monkey> somebody said a2dp was working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) If you want a nice frontend GUI for a2dp after following the instructions on that page, ask me about kagu.
Jul 22 20:49:57 <thoughtfix> Time to write a new blog post
Jul 22 20:50:02 <thoughtfix> about "hacks" that should enter firmware
Jul 22 20:50:29 <gilles> hi here
Jul 22 20:50:30 <milhouse> i can't find it anywhere so i may have imagined it, but did Quim promise BT headset support in the next firmware release?
Jul 22 20:50:45 <bburd> pupnik - so maemo-libpcre3_0.0.1_arm.deb isn't good enough, even though the page says its for Nokia 770? "armel" is different from "arm"?
Jul 22 20:51:19 <gilles> i got a n770and i can't connect using mediatomb
Jul 22 20:51:36 <gilles> any help is welcome
Jul 22 20:51:47 <milhouse> ooooh... new SDHC kernel for 4.2007 has arrived! :)
Jul 22 20:51:54 <milhouse> http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=54
Jul 22 20:52:14 <pupnik> bburd: it's compiled for an older operating system.  you have a newer one.
Jul 22 20:53:14 <thoughtfix> Is the bugzilla down?
Jul 22 20:54:06 <bburd> pupnik, for my future reference, how do you know that it's compiled for an older version and that I have a newer one? (How can you tell?) Also, would it help if I downloaded the sources on the Web page? Would I have to jump through hoops to compile the sources, or is it relatively easy?
Jul 22 20:55:15 <verto> thoughtfix: bugzilla has always been down lol.
Jul 22 20:55:33 <thoughtfix> Doh
Jul 22 20:55:35 <verto> At least it has always crashed me
Jul 22 20:56:10 <pupnik> bburd: "armel" in the name indicates a binary built for OS it2006 or later
Jul 22 20:57:18 <milhouse> thougtfix - down for me here (london)
Jul 22 20:59:52 <thoughtfix> Hmm
Jul 22 20:59:59 <thoughtfix> Like a good girlfriend, bugzilla is.
Jul 22 21:00:11 <milhouse> hurrah... just booted 4.2007 with high speed and wide data bus support :)
Jul 22 21:00:29 <pupnik> bburd: there should be an updated version somewhere - i can't test anything with gps
Jul 22 21:00:33 <milhouse> all good so far (after a solid 2 minutes of testing)
Jul 22 21:00:41 <whaq> like a good girlfriend? That it goes down so much??
Jul 22 21:00:53 <milhouse> bless ;)
Jul 22 21:01:03 <thoughtfix> whaq: Goes down on you when you need it the most.
Jul 22 21:01:13 <whaq> haha
Jul 22 21:01:41 <bburd> pupnik - Thanks - I'll look into getting an updated libpcr...
Jul 22 21:02:01 <whaq> yep... it always listens to all your problems and never forgets.
Jul 22 21:03:37 <celesteh> anybody here successfully install jalimo?
Jul 22 21:04:57 <VimSi> anyone know, why my 770 with hackeros07 is not able to make voice-calls via googletalk ?
Jul 22 21:05:24 <__pv> agh, can't get sshfs to work on n800. fuse 2.6.5 & sshfs 1.8 compiled fine, but accessing the mount point hangs
Jul 22 21:10:40 <thoughtfix> Ok... new article on tabletblog
Jul 22 21:13:42 <SeRi> <thoughtfix> I just apply for the garage account ill update you on the info once up ill post in your blog
Jul 22 21:13:51 <SeRi> I am out cya!
Jul 22 21:22:08 <milhouse> bugzilla is back
Jul 22 21:24:01 <NeoStrider> thoughtfix...about tablet design...what about buttons on the right?
Jul 22 21:24:27 <thoughtfix> NeoStrider: There should be at least a scroll wheel on the right.
Jul 22 21:24:36 <thoughtfix> Gamers seem to want buttons there more than anyone else.
Jul 22 21:24:38 <NeoStrider> i mean for games =-)
Jul 22 21:24:46 <NeoStrider> yeah
Jul 22 21:25:02 <NeoStrider> anyway...you asked for it: http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/
Jul 22 21:25:26 <NeoStrider> now, I must go
Jul 22 21:25:32 <NeoStrider> see you all later, fellows
Jul 22 21:30:35 <whaq> scrollwheel rocks
Jul 22 21:30:55 <pupnik> i think scrolling with the stylus works fine
Jul 22 21:31:13 <whaq> sure, don't take that away
Jul 22 21:31:16 <thoughtfix> pupnik: The screen would get less wear (and potential scratches) with a wheel
Jul 22 21:31:49 <whaq> but scrollwheel for one-handed operations (menu nav, ebook, etc)
Jul 22 21:31:50 <pupnik> btw i hear that the fingerprint scanners aren't particularly good for security
Jul 22 21:31:52 <pupnik> yeah
Jul 22 21:32:19 <thoughtfix> Perhaps not
Jul 22 21:32:20 <thoughtfix> but
Jul 22 21:32:25 <thoughtfix> they're excellent scrollers
Jul 22 21:32:36 <thoughtfix> Yeah... a real wheel would be better than a fingerprint scanner
Jul 22 21:32:43 <thoughtfix> Especially one with tactile feedback
Jul 22 21:33:39 <whaq> how about slide-out keyboards, but on both sides like the pepperpad?
Jul 22 21:34:09 <whaq> yeah, tactile feedback is a necessity. it's the downfall of iphone.
Jul 22 21:36:48 <milhouse> I used someones BlackBery Pearl the other day - the rollerball on that was pretty good, I only wish it had Missile Command installed
Jul 22 21:37:29 <whaq> milhouse: does it have an onscreen pointer all the time then?
Jul 22 21:37:48 <pupnik> btw penguin command is close to perfect on 770.. still some scaling problems
Jul 22 21:37:58 <thoughtfix> It's also the downfall of my Mighty Mouse. While I like the scrolling trackball on the top, I don't like the lack of feedback
Jul 22 21:38:38 <milhouse> penguin command - that would be ace! :)
Jul 22 21:39:29 <milhouse> my n800 with the new SDHC kernel hasn't fallen over yet - I declare it a success. Been playing audio flawlessly the last 15 mins
Jul 22 21:40:09 <pupnik> it's pretty fun and well done gameplay - very amateurish coding though
Jul 22 21:40:09 <milhouse> media player is sooo shit!
Jul 22 21:40:13 <milhouse> arghh...
Jul 22 21:40:38 <milhouse> wish Nokia would fix the bugs in media player or open source the code so we could have a go
Jul 22 21:41:10 <pupnik> an ogg DSPsink is high on my wishlist
Jul 22 21:43:44 <thoughtfix> Heh
Jul 22 21:43:52 <thoughtfix> Give me a port of Worms Armageddon
Jul 22 21:44:14 <trevarthan> what is the best way to get the display's state using python? I want to know when it turns off.
Jul 22 21:44:16 <thoughtfix> Then you'll have to pry my N800 out of my cold, dead hands
Jul 22 21:44:35 <trevarthan> thoughtfix: something tells me that W.A. uses too much CPU....
Jul 22 21:47:53 <disq> thoughtfix: why does tabletblog.com works but www.tabletblog.com doesn't? any way to fix it?
Jul 22 21:48:12 <thoughtfix> disq: I have to change my hosting for that. Grr.
Jul 22 21:48:36 <pupnik> is worms armageddon 3d?
Jul 22 21:50:18 <trevarthan> pupnik: I don't think so. It might use a 3d engine for rendering though. Not sure.
Jul 22 21:50:31 <pupnik> i liked the old worms a lot
Jul 22 21:51:55 <pupnik>  have you tried wormux on pc thoughtfix / trev?
Jul 22 21:52:17 <trevarthan> nope
Jul 22 21:52:57 <trevarthan> looks sweet though.
Jul 22 21:55:27 <trevarthan> building 0.7.9 now
Jul 22 21:55:44 <pupnik> in scratchbox?
Jul 22 21:55:53 <trevarthan> gentoo
Jul 22 21:58:30 <thoughtfix> I am on hold with GoDaddy to fix that
Jul 22 21:58:55 <thoughtfix> Worms Armageddon was the last 2D Worms
Jul 22 21:59:19 <jjo_> no it wasn't
Jul 22 21:59:32 <jjo_> worms world party was the last 2d worms
Jul 22 21:59:58 <pupnik> it wants libcurl
Jul 22 22:00:00 <trevarthan> :) no it wasn't. Worms for Xbox Live Arcade was the latest one.
Jul 22 22:00:08 <trevarthan> Just released a few months ago.
Jul 22 22:00:51 <trevarthan> Does anyone know how to get the screen status (on/off) using python?
Jul 22 22:01:09 <maxf> anybody familiar with menelaus? It seems to react when my card in inserted but still doesn't get it mounted.
Jul 22 22:03:25 <disq> trevarthan: i tried to find it out but couldn't you need to listen the dbus system(?) bus for "signals"
Jul 22 22:03:47 <disq> trevarthan: nothing in Osso classes, probably there's something in Dbus. but couldn't find any example code
Jul 22 22:03:52 <thoughtfix> Okay .... I think I fixed the www.tabletblog.com to forward to tabletblog.com
Jul 22 22:04:05 <thoughtfix> Instead of a CNAME record, it had to be a forwarded subdomain
Jul 22 22:04:07 <disq> trevarthan: also ported maemoscrobbler to n770, works fine, kagu works fine too
Jul 22 22:04:29 <thoughtfix> When the TTL expires, www.tabletblog.com should work
Jul 22 22:04:51 <trevarthan> disq: yeah, I got the message about maemoscrobbler. Any new functionality in the new version? BTW, did you just up and buy a 770?
Jul 22 22:05:52 <trevarthan> pupnik: just tried wormux and got a segfault. gayness.
Jul 22 22:06:00 <disq> trevarthan: i already had the 770 (since early 2006 iirc) there's some new stuff in 0.1.2, but nothing worthy of mentioning in 0.1.2a
Jul 22 22:06:15 <pupnik> somebody did a port for zaurus, should be doable
Jul 22 22:06:35 <pupnik> it wants a lot of stuff though, libcurl, libxml etc yadda
Jul 22 22:07:03 <trevarthan> disq: what does 0.1.2 offer? I'm running 0.1.1.
Jul 22 22:07:49 <trevarthan> is there like a sniffer for dbus or something?
Jul 22 22:10:45 <pupnik> http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18415&st=30  <<< zaurus oe games... lots of projects
Jul 22 22:11:34 <disq> trevarthan: "dbus-monitor --system" (the signal name is "display_status_ind")
Jul 22 22:11:46 <disq> really couldn't find the time to investigate python-dbus
Jul 22 22:12:31 <trevarthan> disq: search for "set the backlight": http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-03-04.log.html
Jul 22 22:12:47 <trevarthan> haha. you suck, _Monkey.
Jul 22 22:13:42 <pupnik> the Sierra SCI interpreter 'freesci' should be port-able.  needs the latest darcs sources though
Jul 22 22:13:55 <disq> trevarthan: hmm. then a simple gconf callback should do it i think
Jul 22 22:14:15 <trevarthan> you any good with gconf? I've never used it.
Jul 22 22:14:50 <disq> i've used it in C, mostly cheated from inz's code tho :)
Jul 22 22:25:42 <pupnik> debhelper v5 would be nice
Jul 22 22:31:07 <disq> trevarthan: found some samples, but that gconf key doesn't contain current display information, just settings
Jul 22 22:31:34 <disq> trevarthan: try gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/dsm/display
Jul 22 22:33:55 <disq> the file /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level does but i don't think there's a feasible way to hook that. will try the dbus approach once more
Jul 22 22:35:52 <trevarthan> disq: I'm pretty sure I can use /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level
Jul 22 22:36:14 <trevarthan> If you find a better way, let me know. But I'll go with that for now.
Jul 22 22:37:02 <disq> trevarthan: reading the python-dbus tutorial now :P
Jul 22 22:37:26 <trevarthan> disq: got a link to that? I'll read it too...
Jul 22 22:37:27 <disq> btw if you'd like to use gconf for configuration, i gathered sample code for that too
Jul 22 22:37:34 <disq> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html
Jul 22 22:38:20 <trevarthan> I think I'm happy with the prefs module for now.
Jul 22 22:39:49 <trevarthan> I ran that dbus sniffer. dbus definitely looks like the way to go.
Jul 22 22:41:06 <trevarthan> disq: aren't you a dbus wizard already, since you wrote maemoscrobbler and all?
Jul 22 22:43:38 <trevarthan> looks like we can just use connect_to_signal("display_status_ind", handler, sender_keyword='sender')?
Jul 22 22:46:48 <disq> something like that yeah, i'm trying out some code which isn't really working
Jul 22 22:49:32 <trevarthan> yeah, I'm not sure how to create an object, then an interface for com.nokia.mce.signal...
Jul 22 23:09:49 <trevarthan> Any Nokia dbus experts in the channel?
Jul 22 23:14:41 <disq> trevarthan: http://pastebin.ca/630159 closest i got
Jul 22 23:15:27 <disq> trevarthan: appending .signal to dbus_interface makes it throw error messages on every mce dbus event
Jul 22 23:18:53 <trevarthan> disq: does that code actually do anything for you?
Jul 22 23:19:08 <disq> no :)
Jul 22 23:19:25 <disq> append .signal to the dbus if and it will generate error messages on each event
Jul 22 23:19:41 <disq> that's the level of blindness i'm shooting :P
Jul 22 23:19:45 <trevarthan> exceptions, yeah
Jul 22 23:21:31 <disq> won't work if you don't import dbus.glib though, btw. and i think the dbus bindings on the device are outdated
Jul 22 23:23:46 <disq> btw to make maemoscrobble work i had to build libcurl and libconic from the n800 source debs. the libcurl in the 770 latest fw is outdated and has some deprecated functions :)
Jul 22 23:32:41 <trevarthan> disq: got it
Jul 22 23:32:57 <disq> good news! how
Jul 22 23:33:06 <disq> i was desperately browsing carman sources
Jul 22 23:34:17 <trevarthan> http://pastebin.ca/630175
Jul 22 23:34:51 <trevarthan> displays: "got signal from u'on'" and "got signal from u'off'"
Jul 22 23:35:01 <disq> :)
Jul 22 23:35:18 <disq> there's also "dimmed" when the backlight is off but the screen's still on
Jul 22 23:35:52 <trevarthan> it's funny. I had almost that exact same code, but I kept getting the "member_keyword" exception. So I removed it and all was well.
Jul 22 23:38:14 <disq> btw, i have an "UNKNOWN" artist with a known album name. but the tracks in the album are from different artists (and the album names wouldn't match either)
Jul 22 23:38:30 <disq> erm sorry. known artist with an unknown album name
Jul 22 23:38:47 <disq> the tracks in it are from different artists (possibly unknown)
Jul 22 23:41:16 <trevarthan> so, I guess we want to kick over to the idle event loop in kagu whenever the screen status changes to "off". We'll keep running the normal loop for "on" and "dimmed".
Jul 22 23:42:25 <trevarthan> that'll chew up battery like crazy, but at least the user can turn off the screen to mitigate the drain.
Jul 22 23:42:59 <trevarthan> or maybe we should kick to the idle loop on 'dimmed' too?
Jul 22 23:43:15 <disq> have to check how dimmed behaves when the brightness is set to one bar
Jul 22 23:44:29 <trevarthan> Might be useful to throw battery states into the mix too. For example, kick to idle loop only for 'off' when plugged in, but kick to idle loop for 'off' and 'dimmed' when on battery?
Jul 22 23:44:45 <disq> would be great for in-car usage
Jul 22 23:45:16 <disq> checked, dimmed isn't the default status with brightness at 1 bar. so it should be the second one. idle at off and dimmed, animate at on
Jul 22 23:45:19 <trevarthan> and desktop usage.
Jul 22 23:47:00 <trevarthan> ok. I'll work on that tonight. I'll make it behave differently for com.nokia.bme.signal's charger_disconnected and charger_connected.
Jul 22 23:47:26 <trevarthan> Hmmm.... how do I query that state at application startup?
Jul 22 23:47:59 <trevarthan> I need to know if it's on charger or off when the app starts. I can't assume...
Jul 22 23:48:37 <disq> hmmm. should be somewhere in /sys
Jul 22 23:48:41 <disq> lemme have a quick look
Jul 22 23:51:52 <trevarthan> gonna run out and get a few more eps of BSG. back in 20...
Jul 22 23:52:02 <disq> mkay
Jul 22 23:52:09 <disq> bsg ftw. :P
Jul 23 00:00:42 <disq> trevarthan: acmonitor sends a dbus request to bme. source at http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/acmonitor-0.1.tar.gz but not sure python-dbus stuff is worth fiddling
Jul 23 00:01:54 <derf> Note that the glib bindings for dbus on the N800 are mostly broken.
Jul 23 00:02:58 <disq> ooh you're here. hi
Jul 23 00:04:04 <disq> by broken, do you mean deprecated/obsolete bindings? or more in the lines of "not working as it's supposed to"?
Jul 23 00:05:18 <derf> Well, I never bothered to see if the API changed any, but definitely not working as it's supposed to.
Jul 23 00:05:32 <derf> The version of dbus shipped is _very_ old.
Jul 23 00:05:40 <derf> (at least by FLOSS standards)
Jul 23 00:09:01 <derf> You'll notice in acmonitor I don't make nice GObjects and install real glib signal handlers, but instead have to install a generic dbus filter and parse the messages myself.
Jul 23 00:09:27 <derf> The reason was that the GObject approach segfaults due to some code in the bindings that was clearly never tested.
Jul 23 00:11:32 <disq> and this whole thing runs on dbus. great
Jul 23 00:12:00 <derf> dbus AND GTK!
Jul 23 00:12:55 <disq> like that's supposed to calm me down :P
Jul 23 00:13:53 <disq> heh. dbus_bindings.DBusException: Could not get owner of name 'com.nokia.bme': no such name
Jul 23 00:13:57 <derf> Anyway, maybe the new OS2007 releases are better, I was still using OS2006 when I wrote this.
Jul 23 01:03:49 <Agogo> seri,vnc working after installing tight vnc
Jul 23 01:04:04 <Agogo> vs realvnc.
Jul 23 01:06:48 <Agogo> happy now..haven't managed.to get ur cifs script working yet..but at least 1st win
Jul 23 01:21:52 <SeRi> ohhh man I just finish eating...
Jul 23 01:21:55 <SeRi> can even move
Jul 23 01:22:05 <SeRi> Wifes are good for cooking :P
Jul 23 01:24:00 <Agogo> seri,success with tightvnc
Jul 23 01:24:48 <SeRi> nice
Jul 23 01:25:00 <SeRi> so what did you do?
Jul 23 01:25:20 <SeRi> ooo ok so you install thight vnc server
Jul 23 01:26:33 <nelson> is there a way to turn on bluetooth from the shell?
Jul 23 01:28:04 <frob> nelson: hciconfig
Jul 23 01:28:49 <nelson> 'hciconfig hci0 up' ?
Jul 23 01:29:24 <nelson> kewl, thanks!
Jul 23 01:30:06 <SeRi> Yes
Jul 23 01:30:07 <SeRi> ops to late
Jul 23 01:30:09 <SeRi> sorry
Jul 23 01:30:31 <SeRi> ok BrB
Jul 23 01:40:41 <NeoStrider> hello folks
Jul 23 02:01:36 <pupnik> muhuu
Jul 23 02:01:54 <pupnik> video clips on internet are wasting my life now
Jul 23 02:12:17 <trevarthan> disq: taking a look at acmonitor now.
Jul 23 02:16:53 <pupnik> Nokia 770 arm926ej-s: arm9_memcpy() memory bandwidth (align=0, size=4096): 128.60MB/s
Jul 23 02:17:12 <pupnik> Nokia 800 arm1136j-s: arm11_memcpy() memory bandwidth (align=0, size=4096): 335.13MB/s
Jul 23 02:18:29 <pupnik> i wish i could see how fast n800 does snes9x
Jul 23 02:20:01 <trevarthan> :) I'm not taking that bait pupnik. I've got my own project man. :)
Jul 23 02:21:06 <trevarthan> Anyone know if there is a libconic equiv for python on maemo?
Jul 23 02:21:14 <pupnik> well you can try it out - the intro to chrono trigger (birds flying over the fairgrounds) is about 4-6 fps on 770
Jul 23 02:21:32 <lmoura> trevarthan, there are bindings for libconic
Jul 23 02:22:06 <trevarthan> oh, ok. I saw this, so I thought they didn't exist: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2007-April/007480.html
Jul 23 02:22:35 <pupnik> acmonitor for n800 uses libconic
Jul 23 02:22:46 <trevarthan> pupnik: you got a deb of snes9x?
Jul 23 02:22:58 <trevarthan> yeah, but acmonitor is written in C.
Jul 23 02:23:28 <pupnik> just a tgz  http://pupnik.de/snes9x_maemo.tgz
Jul 23 02:23:30 <lmoura> trevarthan, that was a message I sent while writing those bindings :)
Jul 23 02:23:43 <lmoura> I had some dbus issues but managed to get it working
Jul 23 02:23:49 <trevarthan> I'm actually trying to port some of the acmonitor libconic code from C to python... I need to query the battery status.
Jul 23 02:24:12 <trevarthan> lmoura: so is it included in python 2.5 for maemo by default?
Jul 23 02:24:43 <lmoura> trevarthan, yes
Jul 23 02:24:50 <lmoura> try 'import conic'
Jul 23 02:26:07 <trevarthan> lmoura: yeah, that works. Are there docs for it?
Jul 23 02:27:13 <lmoura> trevarthan, I guess they're still in the svn (xml...) =\
Jul 23 02:27:30 <lmoura> trevarthan, but it is pretty much like the C api (no big changes)
Jul 23 02:27:53 <trevarthan> point me to the SVN then?
Jul 23 02:29:04 <lmoura> trevarthan, https://garage.maemo.org/svn/pymaemo/packages/python-conic/trunk/docs/reference/
Jul 23 02:29:23 <trevarthan> pupnik: I didn't realize that tar.gz contained a binary. I thought it was source.
Jul 23 02:29:36 <trevarthan> pupnik: lemme find a ROM. Gimme a minute.
Jul 23 02:29:43 <lmoura> trevarthan, gtg. I have 5 hours of sleep left... :)
Jul 23 02:29:58 <trevarthan> lmoura: alright. Thanks for the help!
Jul 23 02:30:07 <pupnik> it's just an archive like .zip... frame rates are highly game dependent - the free pac man demo runs smoothly
Jul 23 02:32:03 <disq> trevarthan: the com.nokia.bme thingy throws an error when i try to hook/read the signals. same code as the display_ind, but this time it won't work
Jul 23 02:33:01 <trevarthan> disq: you still awake? Dang. Yeah, acmonitor gets around that by using libconic, so that's what I'll do too.
Jul 23 02:33:12 <disq> ah.
Jul 23 02:33:45 <disq> the 770 by default doesn't have libconic (but i made a package for m-s) but I hope it has the python-conic bindings
Jul 23 02:34:49 <trevarthan> pupnik: what args should I run it with? Been a while since I used this.
Jul 23 02:34:57 <_Shurik_> hola
Jul 23 02:35:34 <pupnik> no args ... i didn't find any that made a difference
Jul 23 02:35:45 <disq> anyway, night all
Jul 23 02:35:49 <pupnik> cu
Jul 23 02:36:15 <disq> trevarthan: i could get into packaging kagu if i can make the time
Jul 23 02:36:24 <trevarthan> pupnik: where's the fullscreen option?
Jul 23 02:36:35 <pupnik> no scaling or fs option
Jul 23 02:36:48 <trevarthan> well it's rather useless then eh?
Jul 23 02:37:27 <disq> <- off
Jul 23 02:37:39 <trevarthan> framerate actually isn't all that bad with mario. :)
Jul 23 02:37:45 <trevarthan> see ya disq!
Jul 23 02:38:23 <_Shurik_> hey guys, anyone using scratchbox2?
Jul 23 02:38:54 <trevarthan> pupnik: what are the buttons?
Jul 23 02:39:11 <pupnik> something like zxcasd leftshift, rightshift
Jul 23 02:39:50 <trevarthan> so you use a keyboard with it?
Jul 23 02:39:52 <trevarthan> ugh
Jul 23 02:40:39 <trevarthan> The center dpad button is something, obviously. If you could make the fullscreen button be something else then that would work.
Jul 23 02:40:49 <trevarthan> How many buttons did the snes have?
Jul 23 02:48:41 <NeoStrider> hello folks
Jul 23 02:58:37 <cesman> hello NeoStrider
Jul 23 02:59:03 <NeoStrider> whats up, cesman!?
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