**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 23 02:59:56 2007 Jul 23 03:00:07 Is installing Maemo SDK 2.2 in the latest scratchbox r4 packages not possible? Jul 23 03:02:37 nut much...baking brownies Jul 23 03:02:43 you? Jul 23 03:04:59 justin__: dunno - don't see why not though Jul 23 03:05:30 I don't either. Jul 23 03:05:41 I don't understand why it seems like the rootstrap isn't installing Jul 23 03:07:00 None of the scripts or applications said to come with the rootstrap show up when I extract the rootstrap to the target. Jul 23 03:09:13 hmm, scratchbox gcc seems to support profiling: -fprofile-arcs Jul 23 03:13:53 shouldn't Xephyr just exist? Jul 23 03:13:57 justin__: just tried with the said sbox version...not on the r4..and I wouldnt recommend Jul 23 03:14:06 not actually , justin__ Jul 23 03:14:09 I had to apt-get it Jul 23 03:14:27 but the docs says it comes bundled...its strange... Jul 23 03:14:49 Good morning, are there any porting guide? Jul 23 03:15:03 hmm Jul 23 03:15:05 syntux...porting what , using what? Jul 23 03:15:16 so how can I check to see if the rootstrap was installed succesfully? Jul 23 03:15:20 to gcc Jul 23 03:15:33 and apt-get doesn't work within scratchbox. Jul 23 03:15:51 NeoStrider, I'm getting N800 in days and looking for a way to port some apps into it. Jul 23 03:16:37 I have a 770...so I guess I can answer you Jul 23 03:16:47 its a somewhat spartan unix box Jul 23 03:16:51 but just that Jul 23 03:17:07 it does run anything that uses gtk1 Jul 23 03:17:11 out of the box Jul 23 03:17:11 NeoStrider, lovely, so would my bash scripts run there? Jul 23 03:17:46 it uses busybox...let me check the shell Jul 23 03:18:30 lovely Jul 23 03:18:30 there is ASH Jul 23 03:18:51 but no bash Jul 23 03:19:24 it's ok, they should be similar in way or another, anyway tell me about root access, is it only with R&D mode? Jul 23 03:19:48 only R&D Jul 23 03:19:55 but the x-terminal gives us some power Jul 23 03:20:00 what do you want to do? Jul 23 03:20:49 I'm a software developer so I just want to digg more on Maemo before putting my hands on the device heh Jul 23 03:21:51 there is plenty of apps, cool Jul 23 03:22:40 I wouldnt recommend fiddling too much Jul 23 03:22:53 may unstabilize the system Jul 23 03:23:59 hmm, then there should be a system emulator or a virtual image for development right? Jul 23 03:27:37 what do you want to do, syntux? Jul 23 03:28:55 pupnik, new apps Jul 23 03:29:13 or porting existing ones Jul 23 03:29:40 Has anyone sucessfully installed Maemo SDK 2.2 in scratchbox using scratchbox packages from a source url? What url are you using? Jul 23 03:29:42 you do that in a development environment called scratchbox Jul 23 03:30:23 syntux: you can run the apps on your pc for testing before running them on the device Jul 23 03:30:36 it's not a system emulator though Jul 23 03:30:38 pupnik, or this http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 no? Jul 23 03:31:11 yes that is a prebuilt scratchbox plus host distro for running in a vm Jul 23 03:31:57 you can emulate the cpu in scratchbox, but you do not emulate all the hardware on the device Jul 23 03:33:34 pupnik, but emulating CPU would be enough right ? Jul 23 03:36:24 for many apps yes Jul 23 03:37:20 apps that use special nokia hardware will not work Jul 23 03:37:33 What version of cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 toolchain should be used with the 2.2 SDK Jul 23 03:41:01 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386_0.9.8.5-6_i386.deb here Jul 23 03:42:26 on scratchbox-core 1.0.7 Jul 23 03:43:59 Can I use the debs from for 2.2? Jul 23 03:44:58 That's super old lol. Jul 23 03:47:09 Everything is 1.0.5 or older in r4. Jul 23 03:47:25 l Jul 23 03:47:53 1? Jul 23 03:51:17 wrong window sorry Jul 23 03:51:24 * pupnik sleeps Jul 23 03:52:21 Where can I find that version? Jul 23 04:00:23 weird, can't download that torrent Jul 23 04:36:17 is it possible to add more search engines to the home applet on the 770? Jul 23 04:37:04 a file i can edit? i want to be able to easily search imdb... Jul 23 05:02:56 ericz_: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/additional-maemo-internet-search-engines Jul 23 05:03:17 I don't know about what internals one should modify, unfortunately Jul 23 05:04:07 ah, thanks! Jul 23 05:44:13 lo Jul 23 06:04:24 anyone writes program in python using bluez Jul 23 06:09:33 I'm trying to access D-Bus in python but it says some method is missing Jul 23 06:09:50 Someone told me that I don't have necessary bindings Jul 23 07:12:45 hi there Jul 23 07:14:39 does anyone of you know how to obtain something unique like a cpuid from an n800?? N800:/# cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep Serial returns Serial : 0000000000000000 Jul 23 07:17:49 * VladDrac 's being annoying and nominates dubdibdu1 for the redundant-use-of-cat award ;) Jul 23 07:18:45 dubdibdul: Nokia uses the WLAN MAC address as its product ID. Jul 23 07:37:42 hello #maemo Jul 23 07:40:06 hi there Jul 23 07:41:06 dubdibdu1: want to make some shareware registration function? Jul 23 07:41:27 is there a nicer way to obtain the macaddr than ifconfig wlan0|grep HWaddr|cut -c39-55 ?? Jul 23 07:41:46 not direct - it's a normal key-verification Jul 23 07:41:52 where i need a hw_key Jul 23 07:41:57 dubdibdu1: should be cattable from proc os sys Jul 23 07:42:00 or sys Jul 23 07:42:54 cat /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap/cal_mac_address seems better to me!!! Jul 23 07:42:56 thanks Jul 23 07:43:08 np Jul 23 07:43:46 how hard is it to crosscompile for n800 with a buildroot-environment instead of a scratchbox env? Jul 23 07:44:04 dubdibdu1: should be easier frankly Jul 23 07:46:22 the cpuinfo file does not tell me a lot about the cpu-arch, uname -m tells me armv6l => does that mean i neet to config my buildroot for arm610 ?? Jul 23 07:51:31 or should the "Target Architecture Variant" be generic-arm Jul 23 08:12:37 good morning Jul 23 08:15:26 morfnin Jul 23 08:51:40 hmm slow garage this morning :( Jul 23 08:58:39 do you know why vlc cannot show the stream it receives when i let the n800 spit the cameradata into my nw via gst-launch-0.10 gconfv4l2src ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144,framerate=$fraction$15/1 ! udpsink host=10.10.10.117 port=5432 Jul 23 08:58:42 ?? Jul 23 08:59:07 when i save the stream to a file via netcat it seems like video-information Jul 23 09:07:35 hi guys Jul 23 09:07:55 is there any API to get an easy "Open $file with" dialog? Jul 23 09:08:20 I can't seem to find that on http://maemo.org/development/documentation/ Jul 23 10:02:39 * guardian is learning how to make a debian package in order to make an installation package :/ Jul 23 10:04:22 morning lardman Jul 23 10:06:59 hi pupnik Jul 23 10:07:02 how's things? Jul 23 10:07:38 just makin cofee Jul 23 10:08:23 fakeroot apt-get update Jul 23 10:08:32 Failed to fetch http://scratchbox.org/debian/./Packages.gz 404 Not Found Jul 23 10:12:06 pupnik: same here for a number of weeks Jul 23 10:15:45 ok thanks sxpert-work Jul 23 10:17:01 * pupnik researches cheap and dirty profiling options Jul 23 10:17:02 CFLAGS+= -mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer -fprofile-arcs Jul 23 10:19:57 howdy all, i'm looking for java for my n800. anybody got pointers to a repository? Jul 23 10:20:40 no such thing yet. Jul 23 10:20:56 There are only various people who experiment, but nothing packaged. Jul 23 10:23:49 but look at http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800 Jul 23 10:30:54 there's jalimo, but the stuff in the repository won't install for me Jul 23 10:39:00 celesteh: If you just want command line stuff then the PhoneME ones work fine, my impression is that there are issues with GTK/Hildon bindings Jul 23 10:39:22 * lardman hasn't tried Jalimo yet Jul 23 10:42:39 I want to be aple to use the Google API for sending email, so command line might be good enough. Where can I find PhoneME? Jul 23 10:42:42 "is your internet tablet too fast? java can help." Jul 23 10:42:48 hahaha Jul 23 10:43:08 Yeah, but there are a lot of pre-existing apps, like the Google stuff and a flickr uploader, etc Jul 23 10:43:15 true Jul 23 10:43:38 See Veggen's link above Jul 23 10:43:40 i already know java. i don't know python. and there are already libraries for these apis in java. Jul 23 10:44:09 http://thehereweb.googlepages.com/N800-java-cdc-fp-pmea-mr2-rev5444.zip Jul 23 10:50:21 thanks Jul 23 10:50:31 * celesteh trying to do 347568972345 things at once Jul 23 10:50:39 does anyone know what's the catch with maemo accounts. i registered in order to correct a wiki error, got email, confirmed registration and loged in fine to garage.maemo.org, but wiki reject me. Jul 23 10:51:48 toni_: Just wait an hour orso. It syncs up every once in a while.. Jul 23 10:51:57 ah, ok. thanks. Jul 23 10:52:06 there should be a note on the registration page to say that Jul 23 10:52:51 it confuses users as it is. it did cross my mind that it could be syncing account. Jul 23 10:55:47 toni_: Yeah, but it is a know bug and there is some work going on to fix that.. Jul 23 10:56:41 ah, ok. Jul 23 10:57:35 but technical bug could be fixed socially, with a single sentence in the confirmation email, saying that accounts are synced and that it will take XY hours before new user can log into wiki. Jul 23 11:01:56 X-Fade_: since i only started using 770 tablet few days ago, i installed a monitoring applet which gets shown next to brightness setting, on the top of the screen. it's not the CPU/memory applet, but another one, which shows filesystem usage too and wifi link strength too. since, my 770 crashed badly, refused to boot and i had to reflash it. now, i can't find the same monitoring application any more, i searched for a while. any idea what is the Jul 23 11:01:57 name of this monitoring app? Jul 23 11:06:34 toni: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/load-applet ? Jul 23 11:07:35 thanks. not that one. i just found it! it's the SMP system monitor plugin. Jul 23 11:08:09 it is strange though that it doesn't appear in new application search if you search for key works like CPU, wifi, memory. Jul 23 11:08:58 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2006-March/003269.html Siarhei Siamashka's improved memset and memcpy Jul 23 11:13:38 has there been any work on an ftp client for the n800 yet? Jul 23 11:14:01 I see there were a couple for mistral is that compatible with bora? Jul 23 11:14:42 in my bora repositories i only see: curl - Get a file from an HTTP, HTTPS, FTP or GOPHER server Jul 23 11:14:52 or wget Jul 23 11:15:28 I've got both installed, which is fine to pull files Jul 23 11:15:37 but I need something to put files Jul 23 11:15:45 gftp should work Jul 23 11:15:58 mm, command-line ftp should be easy enough to compile, I guess. Jul 23 11:16:33 I saw something about gpefilemanager with sftp built in Jul 23 11:17:02 but that was for it2005/2006 Jul 23 11:17:47 you can always try to install it2006 stuff onto bora (i do it all the time) with dpkg -i packagename.deb Jul 23 11:18:41 thanks pupnik I wasn't sure if it would work or not Jul 23 11:19:05 gah gftp wants imagemagick Jul 23 11:19:16 Eh? Jul 23 11:19:30 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: imagemagick Jul 23 11:20:59 hi all Jul 23 11:22:24 a friend of mine did something called maemoftp a while ago Jul 23 11:22:54 is there a debhelper 5 yet? Jul 23 11:22:55 google for it and you should find it, although i don't know if there's a version for OS2007 Jul 23 11:23:00 ty Jul 23 11:23:24 what was that command to change initfs settings from inside arm again? Jul 23 11:23:28 cb something? Jul 23 11:23:30 how can i add smiles to gaim on nokia 770 ? is that possible at all? Jul 23 11:25:13 Savi_Bot: everything is possible Jul 23 11:26:17 cool, Nokia 770 memory much faster than Zaurus sl-5500 and Zaurus sl-c750 Jul 23 11:26:36 whot that sweet Jul 23 11:26:45 pupnik: sdram or flash? Jul 23 11:26:51 ram Jul 23 11:27:10 ah Jul 23 11:27:30 a shame there isn't more of it tho Jul 23 11:28:47 hmmf. Tileset finally rendered upon rerequest today, but sea disappeared :) Jul 23 11:29:02 tiles? game/ Jul 23 11:29:12 urgh. wrong # Jul 23 11:29:55 trying to get http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=60.385355612269564&lon=5.327970808071815&zoom=14&layers=B000F00 right :) Jul 23 11:38:24 anyone experienced with gcc profiling on the device? Jul 23 11:40:43 would somebody know why my application quits automatically after a few seconds when running it in the actual N770? Jul 23 11:45:24 oh, actually it quits in scratchbox as well, it just works properly when I run it standalone Jul 23 11:46:04 run it from a shell and see what it says Jul 23 11:46:21 I think this is a known issue but i forgot what Jul 23 11:51:14 it works properly also when run from the shell Jul 23 11:51:24 so it just quits when I select the program from the menu Jul 23 11:53:21 Mikho, do you use X-Service in .desktop but don't register the name in dbus? Jul 23 11:54:43 hmm... "One symptom of missing initialisation is that the application starts from the task navigator but closes automatically after a few seconds." Jul 23 11:54:49 you're right, thanks Jul 23 11:57:10 all right, I had the proper initialization, but it seems 'I' in the servicename has absolutely nothing to do with 'i' Jul 23 11:57:25 of course not Jul 23 11:57:41 ...grown up with windows :/ Jul 23 12:32:37 hmm, 100,000 units at 50 euro net profit per unit will not justify much investment into a product Jul 23 12:33:02 1 million at 100 euro net would be much better Jul 23 12:48:04 Somebody was asking about 'worms armageddon' - runs 23 fps on psx4gp2x with software renderer Jul 23 13:11:17 pupnik: really? Jul 23 13:11:19 wow Jul 23 13:11:24 on a 770? Jul 23 13:13:48 no on a gp2x Jul 23 13:15:05 some kind of worms would be nice game for internet tablets also Jul 23 13:15:06 someone ported UAE, you could play original worms on it Jul 23 13:15:13 it would be playable with it's buttons Jul 23 13:16:20 uae needs optimization for 770 - intelligent xsp scaling, cyclone 68000 core, and a virtual keyboard that doesn't go through hildon Jul 23 13:17:04 And some investigation into other performance tweaks. I get 8-15 fps on most things Jul 23 13:26:17 http://zodttd.com/page/2/ <<- the mad scientist who is bringing playstation to ARM portables Jul 23 13:55:11 Is It Can Be use -fprofile-arcs to improve performance? Jul 23 14:43:52 is there a simple way of configuring the application area on the n800? Jul 23 14:44:27 basically I want to change what apps show up in what group, create and delete groups etc Jul 23 14:44:45 Yeah, check the control panel Jul 23 14:45:02 <_Shurik_> damn it, n800 toasted my 8 gig SD Jul 23 14:45:17 _Shurik_: latest firmware? Jul 23 14:45:21 <_Shurik_> yep Jul 23 14:45:35 uh oh Jul 23 14:45:41 man. I was really hoping that was a vapor bug. Jul 23 14:45:44 bug 1024? Jul 23 14:45:50 <_Shurik_> it's been messing it up for a while Jul 23 14:45:51 which slot? External or Internal? Jul 23 14:45:58 <_Shurik_> but now it has stopped working completely Jul 23 14:46:02 * mgedmin wants to know the slot too Jul 23 14:46:03 <_Shurik_> had it in external Jul 23 14:46:05 trevarthan: thanks for that Jul 23 14:46:14 FunkyPenguin: np. you found it? Jul 23 14:46:23 <_Shurik_> should've moved it to mmc2 :( Jul 23 14:46:30 I was gonna give you the click path, but I'm slow... :) Jul 23 14:46:34 I had a 512 gb SD card die in the n800's external slot, with some old non-sdhc-capable firmware Jul 23 14:46:41 don't know if it's the same bug, or just bad luck Jul 23 14:46:57 _Shurik_: I've got an 8gb transcend class 6 in internal slot and it works a charm Jul 23 14:47:00 _Shurik_: yeah, if I upgrade, I'm gonna try putting my 4gb in the internal slot. Jul 23 14:47:07 * FunkyPenguin crosses fingers and touches wood :) Jul 23 14:47:22 <_Shurik_> yeah but now I'm not sure if it is completely dead or what Jul 23 14:47:35 trevarthan: yeah thanks, for some reason I didn't look in there! Jul 23 14:47:35 Try to format it from win32. Jul 23 14:47:36 <_Shurik_> I'm not sure that my laptop can read it at all Jul 23 14:47:50 <_Shurik_> well that's a thing, I don't have another sdhc reader handy Jul 23 14:48:00 <_Shurik_> hm, let me ask around the office. brb Jul 23 14:48:15 _Shurik_: you can't format it over the USB link? Jul 23 14:48:34 I guess if it's mounted r/o you wouldn't... Jul 23 14:50:01 pupnik: I just saw your comment about worms, I think there's an open-source version somewhere Jul 23 14:50:58 yeah wormux. lots of dependencies in the stock version. but there are zaurus versions, so it's possible Jul 23 14:51:20 pupnik: Zaurus versions, do you have a link? Jul 23 14:51:22 lardman: have you found any sensible way to do gcc profiling? Jul 23 14:51:32 <_Shurik_> trevarthan: it's not being recognized at all. mmc1 nor mmc2 Jul 23 14:51:37 pupnik: crying shame he didn't write wormux in python. would have been easy. Jul 23 14:51:41 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18415&st=30 Jul 23 14:51:43 pupnik: Not looked at it yet Jul 23 14:51:45 <_Shurik_> so if it's not hardware-dead, it's really messed up Jul 23 14:51:45 for the zaurus stuf Jul 23 14:52:12 sorry man, that sucks. Jul 23 14:53:07 <_Shurik_> I wonder if I have warranty on it :) Jul 23 14:54:03 morning (ugt) Jul 23 14:54:11 I'm gonna put a big freakin' hazard sign on my external mmc slot. Jul 23 14:54:23 <_Shurik_> yes Jul 23 14:54:29 penguin command is close to finished, if anyone wants to find the remaining bugs (relating to scaling from 600->480) Jul 23 14:54:32 <_Shurik_> well, it worked pretty good for a while Jul 23 14:54:35 <_Shurik_> but damn Jul 23 14:54:42 <_Shurik_> Nokia needs to get this sorted out Jul 23 14:55:18 then pump it full of plumming caulk. Jul 23 14:55:18 uh. mine mostly has music, and the card is a cheap (cheapest - real slow write speed) 4gig Jul 23 14:55:40 <_Shurik_> well mine is $50, but still Jul 23 14:55:41 pupnik: Not that many deps, most of them are gcc or sdl, plus a few extrast Jul 23 14:55:47 s/plumming/plumbing/ Jul 23 14:55:47 trevarthan meant: then pump it full of plumbing caulk. Jul 23 14:56:21 _Shurik_: you could try the third party kernel that's just been released. though i doubt it'll help at this point Jul 23 14:56:35 <_Shurik_> probably not Jul 23 14:57:15 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: patchutils libsdl-gfx1.2-dev (>= 2.0.13) libxml++2.6-dev ttf-dejavu dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.19) Jul 23 14:57:45 pupnik: I showed my co-workers snes9x on the n800 this morning. They all thought it was pretty cool. Jul 23 14:58:15 :) Can they code? Jul 23 14:58:41 pupnik: Is Zodttd's stuff still closed source? Jul 23 14:58:51 nah. the ones who game can't code. The ones who code can't game. I'm the only hybrid with massive amounts of spare time. Jul 23 14:58:57 i haven't found sources for zodttd's stuff Jul 23 14:59:03 :) Jul 23 14:59:28 well emus are more worthwhile than individual games imo Jul 23 14:59:41 ... better ROI Jul 23 14:59:46 they all think you should implement hardware acceleration ASAP. :) Jul 23 15:00:20 I wonder if you could beg Nokia for a free n800? Jul 23 15:00:55 trevarthan: maybe in the next device, if they do the developer device program again Jul 23 15:00:57 don't need one, nothing i do is n800 specific Jul 23 15:01:26 pupnik: Where do your emus require acceleration Jul 23 15:01:46 pupnik: as in what part of the processing Jul 23 15:02:03 yeah, so disq, I guess kagu will be n800 specific once I implement that screen blanking/battery stuff unless 770 users install libconic manually? Jul 23 15:02:06 all of them can benefit from xsp pixel doubling Jul 23 15:02:34 the snes emu can benefit tremendously from ARM asm optimized elements from notaz, squidge and reesy Jul 23 15:02:35 trevarthan: yeah. or, you could try/catch the libconic binding import and make it behave accordingly? Jul 23 15:02:49 lardman: you need to eek every ounce of performance out of an app to get any sort of gaming performance on the n800. Jul 23 15:03:08 disq: sounds like a plan. Jul 23 15:03:13 trevarthan: also once you put it in maemo garage and have the .install file ready it's no problem, since the 2.x repos already contain my build of libconic :P Jul 23 15:03:45 of course, but what are the time consuming tasks to be optimised, I suppose we come back to the profiling problem Jul 23 15:03:57 disq: yeah, but does python 2.5 for the 770? Jul 23 15:04:47 <_Shurik_> sent email to newegg.com Jul 23 15:04:49 trevarthan: it's possible libconic binding import not fail though, the first libconic call could. not sure python2.5/770 includes libconic bindings or not (if i say libconic binding one more time :P ) Jul 23 15:04:55 <_Shurik_> hopefully I can get it replaced :-P Jul 23 15:05:19 let me boot up my 770 and ssh in Jul 23 15:05:26 _Shurik_: tell them to bill Nokia. Jul 23 15:05:56 Anyone want to buy me a 770? I'd be happy to religiously support it if I had one. Jul 23 15:06:42 lardman, probably the best place to start reading would be squidgesnes and drpocketsnes comments and forums. the one unit doing the most work in teh SNES is the PPU/pixel processing unit Jul 23 15:06:48 <_Shurik_> right :) Jul 23 15:06:58 i hear the maemo-mapper team/gnuite religiosly supports 770. maybe you could interest them in kagu and see what happens :P Jul 23 15:07:25 <_Shurik_> trevarthan: whay do you need 770? Jul 23 15:07:43 :) I'm mostly kidding anyway. I don't really want the extra baggage of a 770. Jul 23 15:08:09 pupnik: I was wondering whether anything would suit a DSP Jul 23 15:08:31 trevarthan: erm. could convince somebody in the US (i'm 250ms away, too much lag) to open their 770 (root pass and vnc-server pass) maybe Jul 23 15:08:32 spc700.cpp possibly (sound playback module) Jul 23 15:11:04 lardman: i'm guessing the most useful dsp thing would be an ogg sink Jul 23 15:11:24 trevarthan: nope, python2.5-770 doesn't have the conic binding .so by default Jul 23 15:11:32 pupnik: That wouldn't help your snes emulation though... Jul 23 15:12:18 pupnik: and in reality no-one really needs an oggsink, unless they are watching a movie with an ogg soundtrack Jul 23 15:12:41 lardman: well, a lot of open source games have ogg soundtracks/background sounds Jul 23 15:12:42 lardman: in reality, I don't think anyone really needs the mp3sink for that matter. Jul 23 15:13:13 trevarthan: I don't know about that, it removes some load from the ARM processor when doing video decoding for example Jul 23 15:13:17 and i see about 7-11% cpu usage decoding those with tremor Jul 23 15:13:54 pupnik: Yep, so unless you're really pushing the ARM processor you don't gain much. But on the point of games, I agree it would be useful Jul 23 15:15:11 lardman: another crazy but fun project might be looking into other people's emulation of OPL3 FM chipsets on DSPs - you could do Adlib / Sound Blaster FM on it. Jul 23 15:16:29 but doing snes sound on dsp is also crazy/fun :) Jul 23 15:17:31 pupnik: lardman: that's all cool and stuff, but I think you'll get the most bang for buck out of video performance enhancements. Jul 23 15:18:10 Yes, but not direct framebuffer rendering as it's disabled in the n800's setup Jul 23 15:18:23 not that it's direct anyway, but you know what I mean Jul 23 15:19:22 what is it that pupnik keeps throwing around? xsp pixel doubling? I don't even know what that is, but he says it would help. Jul 23 15:19:50 it allows you to draw 1/4 the pixels and the hardware scales it up Jul 23 15:19:54 that's 770 hardware specific, and it's a hardware feature Jul 23 15:19:54 heyya all Jul 23 15:20:23 if I wanted to compile something to work on the n800 Jul 23 15:20:26 ah, so that wouldn't help the n800 at all. pupnik, you dog. you didn't tell me that. :) Jul 23 15:20:31 I have my scratchbox install all setup Jul 23 15:20:53 do i just make sure it compiles in the x86 target, then compile in the arm target Jul 23 15:20:57 and copy the binary over? Jul 23 15:21:08 assuming it's all self contained and doesn't have libraries Jul 23 15:21:08 <_Shurik_> I thought n800 has pixel doubling as well, no? Jul 23 15:21:19 you can miss the x86 target if you want to test on the n800 directly Jul 23 15:21:21 cbx33: I wouldn't even bother with x86. just get it working with armel. Jul 23 15:21:26 ahh ok Jul 23 15:21:42 cbx33: So yes, make sure you put the binary somewhere that's not on the mmc cards Jul 23 15:21:48 cbx33: you can then transfer the binary, or else make a .deb. The second is preferable for distribution. Jul 23 15:21:57 can you modify a make file so that it compiles everything in one binary? Jul 23 15:22:01 instead of relying on libs? Jul 23 15:22:07 lardman, why not on the mmc? Jul 23 15:22:08 i never test code in scratchbox nowadays. just compile it, scp away, test on the device Jul 23 15:22:15 disq, cool Jul 23 15:22:20 <_Shurik_> disq: really? Jul 23 15:22:22 cbx33: mount options, you can't run things from the mmc Jul 23 15:22:30 oh Jul 23 15:22:34 i didn't know that Jul 23 15:22:39 <_Shurik_> what if it's a big project, you keep moving binary back and forth? Jul 23 15:22:53 testing in sb is *wrong* on so many levels Jul 23 15:22:59 <_Shurik_> hm, okay Jul 23 15:23:01 cbx33: you could also compile statically if you really want. What are you compiling? Jul 23 15:23:02 i keep moving the binary forth and forth yeah. debugging can get tough though :) Jul 23 15:23:02 cbx33: you should be able to statically compile things. That would be some sort of gcc option. Sorry, my C,C++ is rusty. That's about all I know. Check `man gcc` or something. Jul 23 15:23:03 <_Shurik_> btw, anyone using sb2? Jul 23 15:23:05 * cbx33 wanted to get kismet working Jul 23 15:23:11 _Shurik_: I am Jul 23 15:23:16 i know it's been done before Jul 23 15:23:22 <_Shurik_> lle2: is it stable? Jul 23 15:23:23 but I kinda wanted to do it myself Jul 23 15:23:29 binaries shouldn't be big Jul 23 15:23:38 cbx33: Does kismet produce libs? Jul 23 15:23:42 _Shurik_: no idea, but developing it is fun Jul 23 15:23:53 lardman Jul 23 15:23:54 <_Shurik_> okkay :) Jul 23 15:23:55 no idea Jul 23 15:23:58 disq: I develop python code right on the n800. I just SSH into it and run screen. I keep wondering when my RAM will die because of that. Jul 23 15:24:11 lardman, i guess noy Jul 23 15:24:11 if it's something python I edit it on the device too Jul 23 15:24:23 disq you use the touch pad? Jul 23 15:24:26 cbx33: No, it doesn;t look like it does Jul 23 15:24:33 cool Jul 23 15:24:41 so i just need the libs to compile it Jul 23 15:24:47 then the binary would be ok to use? Jul 23 15:24:55 cbx33: I either use synergy, an external machine's keyboard via SSH, or a BT keyboard, depending on what is on hand. Jul 23 15:24:57 I gotta install screen and also get rid of that pty limitation Jul 23 15:25:00 like it probab;y needs some dev libs Jul 23 15:25:15 cbx33: What does it depend on? The libs must already exist as it's an installable package afaik Jul 23 15:25:17 synergy? Jul 23 15:25:18 disq: yeah, I did that a few days ago. real handy. Jul 23 15:25:23 lardman oh? Jul 23 15:25:23 _Shurik_: maemo is less than ideal for it though Jul 23 15:25:25 cbx33: touchpad? while testing? have to. while developing? no, mcedit works fine for me (i prefer mcedit over vi and emacs.) Jul 23 15:25:39 not from my set of repos Jul 23 15:25:45 cbx33: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ Jul 23 15:26:00 there's a bin for maemo out there somewhere. Jul 23 15:26:08 in the maemo garage i think Jul 23 15:26:12 wow Jul 23 15:26:16 maemo garage? Jul 23 15:26:28 garage.maemo.org? Jul 23 15:26:39 <_Shurik_> oops Jul 23 15:26:46 i use synergy2 for my htpc (home theater pc) it's handy Jul 23 15:27:25 I really try *not* to use it if I can help it. It's a pain to get everything connected without a GUI on the n800, but it's nice when nothing else is available. Jul 23 15:27:42 trevarthan: btw the 770 easily runs out of file descriptors. even running tail -f /var/log/syslog can cause problems :) (had to find it the hard way. nothing would work) Jul 23 15:27:56 :) that sucks Jul 23 15:28:03 _Shurik_: biggest problem with maemo is that the rootstraps lack almost everything that they really should have Jul 23 15:28:12 _Shurik_: I'm much more optimistic about debian armel port Jul 23 15:28:15 like ping? :) Jul 23 15:28:37 i thought ping was on it? Jul 23 15:28:38 prolly could be fixed with some /proc magic. also I didn't have swap on at the time, putting in the 64mb rsmmc and enabling swap made it better Jul 23 15:28:45 oh maybe it got installed with something else Jul 23 15:28:49 <_Shurik_> well that's bad news about not being able to debug in sb Jul 23 15:28:51 that odd gconf ping imitation is a really poor substitute too. Jul 23 15:29:17 trevarthan: gconf ping imitation? in acmonitor? Jul 23 15:29:22 cbx33: sb comes with ping, but not maemo production firmware. Jul 23 15:29:26 disq: yeah Jul 23 15:29:34 oh Jul 23 15:29:40 latest fw comes with ping Jul 23 15:29:43 yeh Jul 23 15:29:44 thought so Jul 23 15:29:49 oh yeah? That's good news. Jul 23 15:29:50 i knew i had ping Jul 23 15:30:01 and they closed the bug request with "wontfix". but they included ping Jul 23 15:30:11 just watch that evil external mmc port. :) Jul 23 15:30:13 s/bug/enh/ Jul 23 15:30:14 disq meant: and they closed the enh request with "wontfix". but they included ping Jul 23 15:30:19 trevarthan, ??? Jul 23 15:30:23 ooh new monkey Jul 23 15:30:29 oh damn. anyone got a link? Jul 23 15:30:44 <_Shurik_> I can't believe I haven't switched to mmc2 long time ago Jul 23 15:30:50 <_Shurik_> how could I miss this :( Jul 23 15:30:55 link? Jul 23 15:30:56 eh eh eh ? Jul 23 15:31:02 someone get the man a bug report link for the mmc issue. Jul 23 15:31:12 was it the same issue i had i wonder Jul 23 15:31:15 with the internal card Jul 23 15:31:23 got screwed up completely Jul 23 15:31:29 had to reformat with a linux machine Jul 23 15:31:44 as the ITOS reformat for cards didn't work Jul 23 15:31:50 infobot: quick, give us bugzilla url for bug#1204 Jul 23 15:32:02 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 Jul 23 15:32:08 _Shurik_: sure people do debug in sb, it's just nuts to pretend that the results have anything to do with the real target Jul 23 15:32:24 oh, it's bug 1204, not 1024 Jul 23 15:32:36 yeh i got that mixed up too a while back ;) Jul 23 15:32:48 <_Shurik_> damn in Jul 23 15:32:52 <_Shurik_> it Jul 23 15:32:59 <_Shurik_> lle2: not good not good Jul 23 15:33:07 mgedmin: yeah i first tried bug 1024 that's why it took that long :P Jul 23 15:33:10 so trevarthan can you install all the debhelper tools in scratchbox? Jul 23 15:33:14 external mmc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 Jul 23 15:33:18 external mmc bug? Jul 23 15:33:18 to make the debs Jul 23 15:33:36 oh... monkey is offline... Jul 23 15:33:43 monkeh Jul 23 15:34:06 cbx33: debhelper tools? dunno. probably. not sure what those are. Jul 23 15:34:20 _Shurik_: nokia has never gotten around to providing a real emulation solution, even if it's been established looooong time ago that sb is just a build tool, not target emulation, even if it does a little bit of that on the side Jul 23 15:34:21 how do you make debs for distribution on the maemo platform Jul 23 15:34:41 cbx33: with dpkg-buildpackage in scratchbox Jul 23 15:34:58 cbx33: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ Jul 23 15:35:00 there's a howto that compliments the normal debian "New Maintainer Handbook" or whatever... Jul 23 15:35:03 i have a handy ~/makedeb script which runs buildpkg Jul 23 15:35:10 _Shurik_: sb2 makes this totally obvious and hopefully prevents any idiot thinking it's a target emulator Jul 23 15:35:43 trevarthan: got my message about SDL keysym thingy? it sucks Jul 23 15:36:11 trevarthan: ah yeah turns out we talked about it (checked the log) Jul 23 15:36:21 <_Shurik_> lle2: I see... Jul 23 15:36:28