**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 24 02:59:57 2007 Jul 24 03:04:40 wow. he did all of that in software?!? You've got to be kidding me.... Jul 24 03:04:46 trevarthan: libconic was used to detect the network connection going up and down. Jul 24 03:05:00 ah. ok. Jul 24 03:46:37 wait, theres a psx emu on n800/770? Jul 24 03:46:51 (just read up) Jul 24 03:54:39 is there a version of sqlite for maemo? Jul 24 03:57:20 <`0660> yes there is Jul 24 03:58:26 link? I can't seem to find it Jul 24 03:59:39 * cesman wishes the gp2x and nokia 800 would fuck and produce an offspring Jul 24 04:19:31 derf: Kagu's version of acmonitor (minus a bunch of stuff that is inappropriate in kagu): https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/maemo.py Jul 24 04:22:00 <`0660> jga23, i think it was in the standard repository Jul 24 04:35:17 thanks, I had to enable the red pill mode to get it Jul 24 04:35:30 hi. do we have a recommendation for a flckr bulk upload app for the n800 yet? i've just taken about 80photos i want to review and upload, Jul 24 04:35:59 I installed the docs, but I can't seem to find where they are Jul 24 04:48:14 how do you install a deb file from the maemo scratchbox Jul 24 04:49:50 nevermind Jul 24 06:35:44 rik, I think the only app doing flickr uploads is my screenshot-tool, but it doesn't do any other images Jul 24 08:15:25 Hello, I just got a 770 for the first time tonight, and was wondering if anyone knew of any good beginners guides beyond the manual and whatnot? Stuff like how to interact with it through Gnome and what common third-party applications and repositories would be especially cool. Jul 24 08:15:46 *repositories there are Jul 24 08:19:09 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26 'newbie' forums Jul 24 08:19:23 Sounds perfect. Thanks. Jul 24 08:19:24 http://maemo.org/ software Jul 24 08:20:00 cn)] [Act: 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11] Jul 24 08:20:00 [#maemo] Jul 24 08:20:18 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html Jul 24 08:20:20 sources Jul 24 08:20:45 (will ask for your serial/validation number) Jul 24 08:21:46 hmm gregale was 'wrong' sorry Jul 24 08:23:35 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories Jul 24 08:23:42 that's what i wanted - scroll down to OS 2007 Jul 24 08:23:45 that's what i wanted - scroll down to OS 2006 Jul 24 08:23:48 * pupnik gets coffee Jul 24 08:26:04 ARBEITEN!!! Jul 24 08:26:06 Jul 24 08:26:09 http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif Jul 24 08:26:11 ARBEITEN!!! Jul 24 08:37:46 hi there. Is it possible to get skype working on a 770 ? Jul 24 08:38:33 i don't think so because the codecs don't exist compiled for the platform Jul 24 08:38:43 but i've not really been paying attention so don't take my word for it Jul 24 08:39:34 ok Jul 24 08:40:18 I had during several weeks a 770 and now, I'm interested by the n800. Should I wait a while for a possible n800 release ? Jul 24 08:51:34 Good time of day. Maybe somebody knows where can I get 'glade'? I am trying to run kiwi but it complains about glade. Also it suggest package named 'glade' but I cannot find it Jul 24 08:52:02 rittyan: what distrib ? Jul 24 08:53:03 moox, eh, I don't know... maemo something. Where can I see it? Jul 24 08:54:14 I use last nokia n800 firmware Jul 24 08:54:29 maybe it will give you some hint Jul 24 08:55:35 rittyan: sorry, I can't help you . I thought it was for your desktop computer. Jul 24 08:57:55 I thought it is #maemo channel :p Jul 24 09:00:13 rittyan: you might need to search for libglade Jul 24 09:00:34 apt-cache search libglade Jul 24 09:00:35 libglade2-0 - Library to load .glade files at runtim Jul 24 09:00:57 pool/bora/free/libg/libglade2-0_2.4.0-1osso2_armel.deb Jul 24 09:01:05 apt-get install libglade2-0 Jul 24 09:02:40 fastest snes9x emu ever for Nokia 770 Jul 24 09:02:50 time ./squidgesnes ct.smc Jul 24 09:03:00 Command terminated by signal 11 Jul 24 09:03:00 real 0m 0.18s Jul 24 09:04:56 Is it actually playable on a 770? Jul 24 09:05:00 * GreySim hasn't touched emulation yet. Jul 24 09:05:11 it crashes immediately :) Jul 24 09:05:18 Oh, right. Jul 24 09:05:24 Heh. Jul 24 09:07:19 pupnik, I already have it installed Jul 24 09:07:48 pupnik, and also gajim (python app which uses glade) is able to start.. however kiwi framework complains :( Jul 24 09:08:20 sorry, going to lunch break... cya in 1-1,5h Jul 24 09:08:28 no idea rittyan Jul 24 09:08:36 :/ okay Jul 24 09:10:52 It is possible to use google apps with the n800 ? calendar, reader, docs ? Jul 24 09:11:37 moox: should be. try it :D Jul 24 09:11:43 and report how it goes Jul 24 09:12:12 last I checked, google maps was functionnal (with some limits, no dragging of the map) Jul 24 09:12:17 on my 770 Jul 24 09:12:47 sxpert-work: hehe I don't have n800 nor 770 Jul 24 09:17:09 trevarthan: some good info in doc/porting.html .. i haven't gone through it all yet Jul 24 09:26:28 morning all Jul 24 09:26:52 hi Jul 24 09:31:47 so nobody has tried google calendar on its own n800 ? Jul 24 09:45:47 * GreySim can try it on 770 real quick, and if it works there it should work on 800. Jul 24 09:47:32 Seemingly does not work on the 770. Jul 24 09:47:44 Not with Opera anyway. Jul 24 09:52:16 moox: It's rumored not to work well. Jul 24 09:53:09 Veggen: snif Jul 24 09:55:54 Maybe with the new Mozilla browser? Jul 24 10:00:22 manger Jul 24 10:01:14 yum Jul 24 10:27:24 Im looking at purchasing a N800 but I live in Australia and it doesnt look like they will ever be released here. I will have to import one. Does anybody know if you can connect a USB to the N800? Jul 24 10:29:08 a USB what? Jul 24 10:30:19 ffoegboy: you can connect the N800 to a USB out of the box, but having the N800 provide an USB is more tricky (but apparently possible) Jul 24 10:31:02 nomis, Thanks, are you happy with your unit? Jul 24 10:31:57 ffoegboy: yeah, I am more interested in it from a developer point of view though. Jul 24 10:33:19 nomis, OK, I just play around with Linux, but can see the n800 would be good at work as I travel all the time. I would want to show customers drawings , brochures, pictures etc. Do you think it would be OK for that? Jul 24 10:34:16 ffoegboy: yeah. If you have very complex PDFs it might be a tad slow, but it should be reasonable. Jul 24 10:34:36 ffoegboy: if you want to have it for presenting something to your customer you should consider something with a bigger screen though. Jul 24 10:34:42 is it possible to install cjk system fonts on the n800 ??? Jul 24 10:34:55 is there some nice way to run some time consuming task so that it won't stop whole program without using threads? I mean like some Glib function that runs function in a thread and emits event when it's ready Jul 24 10:35:27 nomis, speed is not such an issue, just clarity of image. (I only show to 1 or 2 customers at a time) larger presentations I use a projector and laptop Jul 24 10:35:28 how I can contact maintainers of maemo/extras repository? Jul 24 10:36:04 * konttori released ukmp 1.5 Jul 24 10:36:07 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ Jul 24 10:36:09 Gathaja: without using threads (and without using multiple processes) the only thing I can think of is to work on your problem in small chunks and register the small-chunk-function as an idle function. Jul 24 10:36:15 includes screenshot and video Jul 24 10:36:34 hello. Jul 24 10:36:49 oh, you did the thumb thingy, great. :) Jul 24 10:37:07 roope: thanks to you! Jul 24 10:37:34 I want to contact repository.maemo.org/extras maintainers. One deb seems to be broken, and maintainer field is wrong there. Would like to figure it out Jul 24 10:37:36 roope: considering your position at nokia, any chance you could push for kinetic scrolling for the browser? Jul 24 10:38:05 konttori: well, um. Yes. We all love that kind of scrollin.g: ) Jul 24 10:38:27 The performance of scrolling a webpage like that has been problematic. Of course performance is always improving. Jul 24 10:38:34 any specific reason why it hasn't found its way to the browser beta yet? Jul 24 10:38:40 ahh... true Jul 24 10:38:48 cya nomis i9m sure I will have some questions once I purchase one :-) Jul 24 10:38:51 Well, the browser beta UI was done similar to the previous browser UI. Jul 24 10:39:04 There wasn't really time to make UI improvements yet, they first wanted to just make the basic thing work. Jul 24 10:39:21 But I'm pretty sure nobody is opposing that idea. It's just not there yet. Jul 24 10:39:22 maybe you could take just a little more memory and render a larger portion of the page to a buffer. Jul 24 10:39:24 konttori: that looks sweet. Jul 24 10:39:34 it seems to now render just a little more than is visible to the buffer. Jul 24 10:39:39 thanks Jul 24 10:41:39 roope: sounds great that you are working toward it. I was stunned how great it worked on the device once I tested it. Jul 24 10:42:02 It's clearly something I'm at least pushing towards, as well as tigert is. Jul 24 10:42:22 nomis: okay, thanks Jul 24 10:42:25 Basically you can remove scrollbars completely. Just leave tiny scroll position indicators, if you want. Jul 24 10:51:56 roope: I agree. And that indicator can for example disappear when there is no pressure on the screen. (ok, the current on should probably do that as well in my opinion, but that's just me). Jul 24 10:52:16 or be transparent. ;) Jul 24 10:52:26 indeed Jul 24 10:52:26 anyway, yes. there's a lot of stuff going on. Jul 24 10:53:06 ahh great to hear that. Jul 24 10:54:13 You know, when I implemented the two column view, I realized that the song button designs were really similar to rpg games bubbles (especially the selected one)... Almost like playing FF... ;) Anyway, they look great. thanks again for those. Jul 24 10:55:22 Speaking of playing FF (FF7) ...I'm really getting interested in getting a N800 for porting my high performance PSX emu to it. Jul 24 10:55:49 is it arm optimized? Jul 24 10:55:52 Can you hook up a usb joypad or use a touchscreen for additional less used buttons? Jul 24 10:55:54 Yes Jul 24 10:56:00 I wrote an arm dynarec for it :) Jul 24 10:56:31 sounds great. Do you think the arm in n800 has enough juice for it? Jul 24 10:56:41 It's called psx4all and is focused on getting going on the GP2X. I just got a fullspeed game with sound on it at a 266MHz ARM920T Jul 24 10:56:53 Whoever was asking about Google Calendar earlier, it works in Minimo on a 770 flashed with 2007. Jul 24 10:56:57 Anyway, I hope that the next device will have proper dpad (for any meaningfull gaming experience) Jul 24 10:57:20 Well. Devices like Nintendo DS give a good gaming experience just on a touch screen. Jul 24 10:57:30 It really just depends on ... how you design it. Jul 24 10:57:44 For a touch screen device imho the games should really be designed for touch scree nuse. Jul 24 10:57:47 perhaps you should buy a 770 immediately. They cost like 100 $ and have pretty much the same speed as n800 has Jul 24 10:57:56 Abe's Oddysee runs fullspeed with sound. FF7 runs well, Wipeout XL is playable but slightly slow, and games like Strikers 1945, Kula World, and a handful others are extremely close to fullspeed if not fullspeed with sound in the last psx4gp2x build Jul 24 10:58:05 roope: but for using e.g. for emulators. Jul 24 10:58:18 konttori: I was going to get a N770, but I heard from pupnik that the N800 has twice the performance for his ports Jul 24 10:58:20 yes, well. that's true. Jul 24 10:58:37 there's the gp2x. Jul 24 10:59:10 The GP2X is pretty shoddy in terms of build quality to be honest Jul 24 10:59:17 roope: also the device would benefit anyway if it had a good dpad. It's not like it would hurt the device in any way. Jul 24 10:59:32 Well. Any key takes space from the device. Jul 24 10:59:56 even the current is semi-ok if you glue something to it to raise the four direction buttons above the middle button. Jul 24 11:00:11 A dpad especially. Takes like ... 1.6 cm more space. Jul 24 11:00:33 roope: are you guys considering of dropping it altogether. Jul 24 11:00:45 The iStation V43 PMP has an adapter that wraps around the handheld with a full joypad Jul 24 11:00:46 cause that I can understand, what I can't is to have a bad dpad Jul 24 11:01:25 Well, I can't really comment on that. But we consider many things of course. Jul 24 11:01:32 The current one is quite bad, I do agree on that. Jul 24 11:01:59 personally I would like a larger screen (not necessarily higher resolution). I am nearing 50 and all that small text is a strain on the eyes... Jul 24 11:03:11 I would not mind something that was all screen with just zoom and power buttons on top. the rest of the buttons can be done in software... Jul 24 11:03:19 Being totally non-nokian, I can probably voice my wild guess that that might be happening in the future (as maemo seems to be moving away from resolution dependence) Jul 24 11:03:26 if you look at something like the iphone for instance, it has no dpad. Jul 24 11:03:33 cause the touch screen interactions are really good. Jul 24 11:04:29 dpad on a touch screen device is kind of ... it's a interesting question. kind of a cop-out. Jul 24 11:05:05 It's also useful Jul 24 11:05:16 The Zaurus has one btw :) Jul 24 11:05:30 so-and-so. It's good for some interactions. But I agree that it's not a vital one. Jul 24 11:05:43 It has some interesting implications also. For instance consider the focus element. Jul 24 11:05:57 For gaming and/or menu systems, a dpad helps a lot Jul 24 11:05:57 All lists must have a focus element since you need to be able to move it with the dpad. Jul 24 11:06:08 true Jul 24 11:06:11 if there's no dpad, there's no need to have initial focus. that moves from two taps to select to one tap to tselec.t Jul 24 11:06:15 Again, if you do have it (and it's a good one), it will allow better interaction on some applications and touch screen Jul 24 11:06:18 with a focus the first tap just moves the focus. Jul 24 11:06:30 My emulator wants the dpad :P Jul 24 11:06:31 well, depending on the design, of course, but. Jul 24 11:06:59 However, I'm not saying that we would be dropping it. I'm not saying anything. :) Jul 24 11:07:06 roope: true. Otoh, it's a application based decision whether to support the dpad or not. Jul 24 11:07:31 roope: we hear you! Jul 24 11:07:34 Not having it makes things kind of simpler to design. You don't need to worrya about it. Jul 24 11:08:19 Anyways. the iphone has lots of interesting stuff there. Jul 24 11:08:37 have you been playing a lot with iphone? Jul 24 11:08:45 No. :/ Jul 24 11:09:11 grr... it's great anyway that they have good videos demonstrating the device Jul 24 11:09:11 For instance no check boxes and radio buttons. That's quite nice. Jul 24 11:09:24 they don't really work on a fingerable touch screen, so they just don't use them. That's really niec design. Jul 24 11:09:59 They use just a select item instead? Jul 24 11:10:14 they have these nice flick switches for some checkboxes. Jul 24 11:45:17 hey guys, quick question: do you think my girlfriend put too much adsense on her lasiksite http://www.lasikreport.de ? Jul 24 11:49:57 wouldn't know, adsense is blocked here Jul 24 11:50:39 k Jul 24 12:01:57 adsense? Jul 24 12:36:44 hi Jul 24 12:36:58 hi Jul 24 12:39:44 what is most favorite distro for maemo development Jul 24 12:39:53 Debian? version? Jul 24 12:40:19 not OS X, that's for sure :( Jul 24 12:59:29 sardine is for 770 only ? Jul 24 12:59:40 i made an installer package for my application Jul 24 12:59:48 following debian tutorials etc Jul 24 13:00:09 now, how can i change this so that my binary executable is also shipped with a shared library it depends on Jul 24 13:00:23 so that in the end, i have a single package to install (the shared library is mine aswell) Jul 24 13:01:24 you don't do it like that, normally. Jul 24 13:01:41 You'll make a separate package, and make it depend on it. Jul 24 13:02:15 Unless it's unthinkable that anything will ever use it without using your binary executable also. Jul 24 13:02:36 it's unthinkable Jul 24 13:27:27 frob, nope, sardine "works" on N800 Jul 24 13:38:33 <_Shurik_> *YAAAAAWWWNNN* Jul 24 13:41:50 guardian: yes, you can install cjk fonts. Jul 24 13:41:51 konttori/roope: what's kinetic scrolling? Jul 24 13:42:28 timeless: is there a package by chance ? i noticed there is maemo-cjk on garage but it replaces the input method aswell :( Jul 24 13:42:38 no clue, no care :) Jul 24 13:42:43 ok Jul 24 13:42:44 <_Shurik_> quiver scolling Jul 24 13:42:48 ? Jul 24 13:43:07 kinetic scrolling is like the one in iphone Jul 24 13:43:26 sorry, some of us haven't spent enough time watching iphone demos Jul 24 13:43:29 it's skrolling that continues even after you have removed your finger from the screen. Keeps momentum Jul 24 13:43:33 <_Shurik_> when image bumps into the edge of the screen, you actually feel it Jul 24 13:43:51 Have a look at the demo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFyJy3_uUGw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkonttoristhoughts%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F2007%2F07%2Fukmp%2D15%2Dis%2Dout%2Dand%2Dits%2Dlooking%2Dsweet%2Ehtml Jul 24 13:44:04 Sorry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFyJy3_uUGw Jul 24 13:44:10 hrm, i should install the flv player Jul 24 13:44:36 use uktube ;) Jul 24 13:44:40 is flvplay a fairly standard app for windows? Jul 24 13:44:45 what's uktube? Jul 24 13:45:04 allows you to play youtube videos on your n800 in fullscreen with full fps Jul 24 13:45:15 i'm running windows... Jul 24 13:45:15 uses mplayer to play the video. Jul 24 13:45:35 ahh... well, you probably have flash then on your system, so no need to download any softare Jul 24 13:45:43 um Jul 24 13:45:51 just because i have windows doesn't mean i want falsh Jul 24 13:45:58 * timeless sighs Jul 24 13:46:02 silly users Jul 24 13:47:32 Well, install uktube on your device and use that to see the video Jul 24 13:47:41 <_Shurik_> timeless: I hope you're not running windows on n800 *gasp* Jul 24 13:48:02 notepad.exe is better than /usr/bin/osso-notes Jul 24 13:50:37 well, there are so many better notepads for windows than just notepad. Jul 24 13:50:51 <_Shurik_> texpad Jul 24 13:51:05 at least notepad doesn't generate files with all over them ... Jul 24 13:51:17 anyway. if you don't like flash on your system, that's your call. But it's quite an odd decision these days. Jul 24 13:51:42 if you want a decent notepad on the n800, use leafpad. it's pretty good Jul 24 13:51:44 <||cw> notepad.exe cna't save formated text in html format Jul 24 13:52:01 <||cw> timeless: so turn off html if you don't want it Jul 24 13:52:01 notes can't either Jul 24 13:52:17 the input was from browser, the output was garbage Jul 24 13:52:40 <||cw> menu, format, file format, plain text Jul 24 13:52:47 i know Jul 24 13:52:50 note that it doesn't persist Jul 24 13:52:54 totally useless Jul 24 13:53:08 oh, and it doesn't understand that text files are supposed to have a newline before eof Jul 24 13:53:38 <_Shurik_> they do? Jul 24 13:53:47 <||cw> that's application specific Jul 24 13:53:53 <_Shurik_> :) Jul 24 13:59:24 They do? Jul 24 13:59:36 I thought that was just C source files :P Jul 24 13:59:49 nothing else matters :) Jul 24 13:59:53 konttori: congrats on ukmp 1.5: It looks great! Jul 24 14:00:24 they trev Jul 24 14:00:46 hey disq. you check out the battery/screen monitor code yet? Jul 24 14:00:53 thanks! Jul 24 14:01:02 great job on that one Jul 24 14:01:05 didn't test it yet tho Jul 24 14:01:13 so, back to this strange scrolling stuff Jul 24 14:01:20 would you expect it to apply to the platform Jul 24 14:01:25 or just a single application Jul 24 14:01:28 if so, why? Jul 24 14:01:31 disq: as usual, I'll be tweaking it. I'm not quite happy with it yet. Jul 24 14:01:55 i was just telling konttori how obsessively clean your code is :) Jul 24 14:02:18 <_Shurik_> beware of the clean code Jul 24 14:02:21 oooo.. "obsessively clean". Yeah, I guess that describes it well. Jul 24 14:02:31 sounds awefully harsh though. Jul 24 14:02:37 hey, i'm happy with it Jul 24 14:03:22 <_Shurik_> brb, gotta go send off my dead 8 gig SD for a replacement Jul 24 14:04:05 <_Shurik_> new one will definitely live in mmc2... Jul 24 14:04:30 sardine is for 770 only ? Jul 24 14:05:10 disq: I wanted to wait until we had song bookmarking support to make a release, but I'm thinking we might want to spend a bit of time cleaning up the buttons (the way we discussed), and kagu-scanner.py (also the way we discussed) and then go for a release. I don't think bookmarking is going to be straight forward as we're going to have to hack mplayer. I wanted to add gst support before we released, but seeing as how ukmp requires mpla Jul 24 14:05:31 frob, 16:27 < inz> frob, nope, sardine "works" on N800 Jul 24 14:05:44 trevarthan: doesn't ukmp require mplayer only for video support? Jul 24 14:06:00 dunno. maybe. is that true konttori? Jul 24 14:06:05 inz: oh, sorry, what's the difference between sardine and chinook then ? Jul 24 14:06:08 trevarthan: also should add a check to see if mplayer launch fails (no mplayer, or broken mplayer, etc) Jul 24 14:06:11 sound bookmarking? is that for audiobook and the likes? Jul 24 14:06:20 audiobooks and podcasts yeah Jul 24 14:06:25 yeah. nothing else uses mplayer Jul 24 14:06:27 sweet Jul 24 14:06:39 and it's really only there because uktube needs mplayer Jul 24 14:06:46 frob, sardine is always unstable (compare to debian sid), chinook will be the next stable Jul 24 14:06:54 disq: well, if we required mplayer in the .deb, wouldn't that be enough? Jul 24 14:07:28 trevarthan: if gst support is not in, yeah it will be enough. not a good idea after gst is supported tho Jul 24 14:07:34 I suppose I could attack the gst code ASAP. It's just going to take some rearranging to satisfy my obsession for clean code. Jul 24 14:07:43 right Jul 24 14:07:45 [random: what do people suggest as a phone to pair with N800?] Jul 24 14:07:54 <_Shurik_> btw, why python, why not c? Jul 24 14:07:57 inz: so.. packages built on sardine may not even run outside of scratchbox? (say, on a n800 device) Jul 24 14:08:07 s/may/might/ Jul 24 14:08:08 frob meant: inz: so.. packages built on sardine might not even run outside of scratchbox? (say, on a n800 device) Jul 24 14:08:10 clean code is good, it's easy to tell people to "send in a patch" when the code is clean Jul 24 14:08:21 frob, currently sardine and chinook are pretty much the same, but that may (and will) change in the future Jul 24 14:08:24 The only reason why I'm debating gst at all is because bookmarking will probably require mplayer. I won't be able to hack gst, I think. Jul 24 14:08:46 it's really no problem seeking in gst. Jul 24 14:08:55 konttori: have you added disq's scrobbler patch yet? That thing is awesome. Jul 24 14:09:03 so, just store the bookmark location and then when opening the file, seek to the location Jul 24 14:09:07 trevarthan: isn't bookmarking just a seek()? Jul 24 14:09:10 scrobbler? Jul 24 14:09:32 konttori: remember, we had a mail conversation Jul 24 14:09:46 yeah, but what is scrobbler? Jul 24 14:09:47 frob, so the packages built with sardine may or may not run elsewhere ;) Jul 24 14:09:49 konttori: does gst get the file length correct with VBR mp3 files? Does it seek to the correct absolute second with VBR mp3? Jul 24 14:09:52 inz: I see, my problem is that I *need* a decent dbus version (1.x) and I *need* the rtcom (rtcom.garage.maemo.org) dev packages, and at least the first seems to be available on chinook Jul 24 14:10:01 trevarthan: seems like it does Jul 24 14:10:30 inz: if I build a package agains dbus 1.0 on chinook, I *will not* run on the device, is that correct? Jul 24 14:10:45 konttori: scrobbling is basicly reporting the current playing song/artist to the web. check out audioscrobbler.net and last.fm for detailed explanations/examples Jul 24 14:10:46 frob, unless you install dbus 1.0 on the device Jul 24 14:10:51 well, that's worth a look then. I'll check gst out. If it can help me avoid hacking mplayer then I'm all for it. We could use mplayer for A2DP, and gst for everything else. Jul 24 14:10:52 frob, which may break other things Jul 24 14:11:03 ahh... that one. Ok, now I remember. It needed osso, right? Jul 24 14:11:08 * frob starts screaming Jul 24 14:11:21 konttori: yeah, for dbus calls Jul 24 14:11:35 And I said that I'll look into it as soon as I get the osso integration running. Jul 24 14:11:40 Well, I haven't done that yet Jul 24 14:11:43 konttori: if you lost the mail the patch is also somewhere in the ukmp garage tracker Jul 24 14:11:43 maybe tomorrow Jul 24 14:11:50 thank you inz Jul 24 14:12:21 konttori: example of what maemoscrobbler does: http://www.last.fm/user/trevarthan/ Jul 24 14:12:24 now, is there anybody from nokia who knows when the rtcom dev packages will be available ? Jul 24 14:13:34 trevarthan: looks nice. (just as I thought it would). Jul 24 14:14:02 trevarthan: any new screenshots of your music player? Jul 24 14:14:54 konttori: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/timeline Jul 24 14:15:00 screenshots link there. Jul 24 14:16:05 it admittedly doesn't look anywhere near as good as ukmp right now. That's why I want to make a release soon. Maybe we can enlist someone with some graphics talent. I have little to none. Jul 24 14:16:37 konttori: oops, wrong url. here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki Jul 24 14:16:42 sorry. Jul 24 14:16:49 trevarthan: btw, why https? Jul 24 14:17:18 passwords. Jul 24 14:17:44 Why not only pass passwords over https? Jul 24 14:17:45 another question, is anybody writing extensions for the microb browser ? Jul 24 14:17:59 I could probably work it out so anonymous access goes over http, but I just haven't bothered. Is there a good reason to? Jul 24 14:18:16 frob: the wonderful thing about extensions is there's virtually no coordination Jul 24 14:18:27 trevarthan: ssl costs more resources. Jul 24 14:18:45 They're my resources though. I don't mind. :) Jul 24 14:18:47 trevarthan: and speed. btw, the code works fine, what aspect of it are you not happy with? Jul 24 14:18:48 it makes normal open source development's lack of coordination seem nonexistent or something Jul 24 14:18:59 or seems to work fine anyway Jul 24 14:19:23 disq: it isn't doing anything special with the dimmed state. Jul 24 14:19:24 trevarthan, you should give links as https://guardiani.us/ at least, one annoying dialog less that way Jul 24 14:19:27 trevarthan: well, half of it at least. THe other half is all your clients :) Jul 24 14:19:28 I intend to fix that. Jul 24 14:19:37 timeless: so that's a yes or a no? :) Jul 24 14:20:00 i'm trying to bribe someone to port a certain extension i use Jul 24 14:20:01 inz: or fix my cert. Jul 24 14:20:18 working on finding a way to use someone else's resources for the bribery Jul 24 14:20:32 timeless: any way to get microb to use another font as default? times new roman is everywhere Jul 24 14:20:32 timeless: it wasn't very clear :) Jul 24 14:20:46 disq: userContent.css Jul 24 14:20:53 or prefs.js Jul 24 14:20:56 trevarthan, wildcards rule, ok? Jul 24 14:20:58 timeless: what extension is it ? Jul 24 14:21:11 we should post an updated release relatively shortly Jul 24 14:21:13 inz: yeah. good point. Jul 24 14:21:22 once the localizers fix the translations to not be broken... Jul 24 14:21:41 timeless: is it possible to use microb in scratchbox ? Jul 24 14:21:52 yes Jul 24 14:21:56 I might just buy a professional cert now that I'm getting some traffic. I haven't been important enough before. :) Jul 24 14:22:00 most people do work that way Jul 24 14:22:05 * timeless is an exception Jul 24 14:22:28 the only annoying part for setting up a dev env is you need to add a debian or ubuntu repo to get 3 missing dev packages Jul 24 14:22:29 trevarthan: i would get a 770 instead :P Jul 24 14:22:34 timeless: I tried to build it but hit a wall, then tried to apt-get it and hit another one, what's wrong with me? :( Jul 24 14:22:45 argh Jul 24 14:23:02 why isn't it written anywhere? :\ Jul 24 14:23:05 they're libidl-dev, quilt, bc Jul 24 14:23:11 * timeless shrugs Jul 24 14:23:31 today i was supposed to setup some sort of blog like software Jul 24 14:23:34 timeless: oh those, but I built them from source and dpkg-buildpackaged with -d Jul 24 14:23:48 trevarthan, (my https-cert has hostname "*" ;) Jul 24 14:23:51 disq: I could probably get a deal on one. I used to work for a small ISP... Jul 24 14:23:51 i'm printing debug messages using g_debug. do you know if there is a compile flag that would strip those g_debug invocations ??? Jul 24 14:24:05 timeless: I was missing sources for libgtkadi Jul 24 14:24:07 guardian: fairly certain there is.. Jul 24 14:24:27 oh, that's on sourceforge Jul 24 14:24:32 239 #ifdef G_DISABLE_ASSERT Jul 24 14:24:33 that's an old one Jul 24 14:24:35 241 #define g_assert(expr) G_STMT_START{ (void)0; }G_STMT_END Jul 24 14:24:42 doesn't build :( Jul 24 14:24:42 frob: that's what we use Jul 24 14:24:47 mmm Jul 24 14:24:48 err... Jul 24 14:25:14 but g_debug uses g_log Jul 24 14:25:27 and i found nothing or i missed it Jul 24 14:25:41 timeless: but since it took me a night to build microb-engine and I'm not going to do it again, how can I get it using apt's superpowers ? Jul 24 14:25:53 138 #ifndef G_DEBUG_DISABLE Jul 24 14:25:53 139 #define g_debug(...) g_log (G_LOG_DOMAIN, \ Jul 24 14:25:55 gonna test G_DISABLE_DEBUG Jul 24 14:25:59 142 #else Jul 24 14:25:59 143 #define g_debug(...) Jul 24 14:26:00 trevarthan: i had a 1km wireless link from the isp i worked. using indoor access points outdoors. real nice. :P (wrt54g and openwrt) Jul 24 14:26:11 sorry, you want G_DEBUG_DISABLE Jul 24 14:26:18 seems so Jul 24 14:26:23 thank you Jul 24 14:26:34 guardian: sorry, too many words on the screen Jul 24 14:26:39 disq: I'm using a 200m wireless link, indoors :D Jul 24 14:26:51 frob: i'm not a friend of apt Jul 24 14:26:58 sigh :\ Jul 24 14:27:10 in fact, other than abusing it heavily in order to make the cross reference that let me answer guardian's question Jul 24 14:27:12 i hate its guts Jul 24 14:27:24 fair enough Jul 24 14:27:26 (literally, i spend too much time reading it when it crashes) Jul 24 14:28:31 unfortunately I need to make a binary xpcom component for an extension, and it needs dbus 1.0, and a) I'm not an xpcom expert b) maemo is stuck with an ancient dbus Jul 24 14:28:44 i'll help w/ xpcom Jul 24 14:28:51 you have 7 mins before i walk out the door Jul 24 14:29:47 ok, very quickie, what libraries do I need to link my *so against, and how can I test if it works Jul 24 14:30:04 regxpcom seems to fail, but xpcom.log is empty Jul 24 14:30:06 if done right, xpcomglue and maybe nspr Jul 24 14:30:10 regxpcom is obsolete Jul 24 14:30:14 we shouldn't be shipping it :) Jul 24 14:30:18 (we ship lots of junk) Jul 24 14:30:21 grrr Jul 24 14:30:43 so how do I test it? Jul 24 14:30:46 if you build --enable-debug you can use NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5 or nsComponentLoader:5 (check the source for the right log module) Jul 24 14:31:15 if I build microb-engine with that flag, right? Jul 24 14:31:33 nsComponentManager:5 sorry :) Jul 24 14:31:44 um, again, i'm not a fan of apt Jul 24 14:31:52 np :) Jul 24 14:31:58 basically get a normal mozilla buildtree Jul 24 14:32:09 change the mozconfig to include ac_add_options --enable-debug Jul 24 14:32:20 and don't bother using dpkg/make install Jul 24 14:32:30 use ./run-mozilla.sh ./TestGtkEmbed for basic testing Jul 24 14:32:45