**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 26 02:59:56 2007 Jul 26 03:00:07 hahhaha...if it worth to make you feel beter, It took me a year to figure out how to build the deb package for my game and to be able to properly test it on the 770 Jul 26 03:00:22 when I finally got it running on the 770, the N800 was already out Jul 26 03:00:30 I don't have a year :\ Jul 26 03:00:34 damn.. Jul 26 03:00:38 debian packages are just f*cking hard to create with autotools Jul 26 03:01:14 and also, my game is not that impressive for a desktop..now you figure out what is to be working on something "useless"? Jul 26 03:01:19 for about two years Jul 26 03:01:40 yes I know, I've been working on a kernel for about a year Jul 26 03:02:04 linux kernel hacking or custom kernel? Jul 26 03:02:24 when I got it to bootstrap itself, schedule threads and allocate memory, I didn't have time anymore :\ Jul 26 03:02:44 custom Jul 26 03:02:51 wow Jul 26 03:03:11 nah, games are more 'wow' :D Jul 26 03:03:13 I once did a non-preemptive scheduller..and that was hard....man...you're good! Jul 26 03:03:22 not really Jul 26 03:03:23 not mine Jul 26 03:03:37 mobile games tend to bem more like "yawn" heheh Jul 26 03:03:44 at least you have something to show off, rather than a boot screen and a prompt Jul 26 03:04:00 s/screen/splash/ Jul 26 03:04:01 fro1 meant: at least you have something to show off, rather than a boot splash and a prompt Jul 26 03:04:18 btw, I thing I've seen your engine Jul 26 03:04:20 I once did a customization of knoppix Jul 26 03:04:21 it's good Jul 26 03:04:27 s/thing/think/ Jul 26 03:04:31 this: http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.html ? Jul 26 03:04:53 yes :) Jul 26 03:05:06 yeah...but its hell slow Jul 26 03:05:15 5 fps on a 770, for most of the time Jul 26 03:05:20 and its quite incosistent Jul 26 03:05:36 and its developement was quit slow too Jul 26 03:05:43 2 years of work and still nothing that worth Jul 26 03:05:57 learning *is* worth the time Jul 26 03:06:14 but there isnt anything that new with that Jul 26 03:06:26 maybe some techniques on the portal rendering Jul 26 03:06:29 and that's the main reason why one would ever embrace such a big project Jul 26 03:06:40 (BsC thesis, by the way) Jul 26 03:06:47 oh, cool Jul 26 03:07:17 but the main point is: Quake2 for the N800 is waaaay faster and nicer Jul 26 03:07:37 maybe I learned just to be quicker on developement =-) Jul 26 03:07:40 I wonder if they'd ever accept something like that as a BsC thesis here, rather than their usual boring useless crap Jul 26 03:07:57 but mine is quite different too Jul 26 03:08:05 NeoStrider: but carmack is carmack :P Jul 26 03:08:05 colleges are all the same =-P Jul 26 03:08:25 yeah...I hope I have a ferrari one day too Jul 26 03:08:35 hahahahahhaha Jul 26 03:08:38 by now I only have a Fiat Fiorino Jul 26 03:08:46 I don't even have a car Jul 26 03:09:06 "Installation was successful!" Jul 26 03:09:12 argh, I'm afraid to login Jul 26 03:09:12 \o/ Jul 26 03:09:16 cmon! Jul 26 03:09:26 do it! Jul 26 03:10:18 [sbox-SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL: ~/apt] > cat /usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc | grep Version Jul 26 03:10:18 Version: 2.12.12 Jul 26 03:10:24 !!! \o/ !!! Jul 26 03:10:32 but how functional is it? Jul 26 03:10:38 no idea Jul 26 03:10:51 don't spoil my happiness :P Jul 26 03:10:59 ok =-P Jul 26 03:11:09 but later, try to switch to another target Jul 26 03:11:22 I did Jul 26 03:11:24 and try building a simple hildon app on both, to test it Jul 26 03:11:34 argh Jul 26 03:11:53 NO I'LL HAVE TO REBUILD THE MAEMO BROWSER FROM SCRATCH!!! Jul 26 03:11:54 you dont like hildon? Jul 26 03:11:59 =-O Jul 26 03:12:17 took a whole night last time Jul 26 03:12:21 WTF?! Jul 26 03:12:26 heh Jul 26 03:12:45 unless the bora packages are still good here Jul 26 03:13:49 ("why SVN suck just like CVS...that I will never know...") Jul 26 03:14:03 mm, something's wrong Jul 26 03:14:16 my $HOME didn't look that way before Jul 26 03:15:30 $home inside SBOX, you mean? Jul 26 03:15:34 yes Jul 26 03:16:20 [sbox-SDK_ALPHA_ARMEL: ~] > mount Jul 26 03:16:20 bash: mount: command not found Jul 26 03:16:26 for the love of god Jul 26 03:16:38 [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/angstron] > mount Jul 26 03:16:38 bash: mount: command not found Jul 26 03:16:43 nothing wrong here Jul 26 03:16:55 mine gregalle is fully functional Jul 26 03:17:59 gosh...Im starting to hate SVN!!!! grrrr Jul 26 03:18:16 I want to update my project on the garage...and it refuses to work!!! Jul 26 03:18:20 tried to move or rename a file and now it bitches ? Jul 26 03:18:28 yeh Jul 26 03:18:29 yeah Jul 26 03:18:34 heh, welcome to the group Jul 26 03:18:38 actually..I overwrote lots of files Jul 26 03:18:52 never ever touch a file without using the svn command on each one Jul 26 03:19:24 I feel like stupid... Jul 26 03:19:43 god hates me Jul 26 03:19:55 listening to Ringo Starr isnt really helping.. Jul 26 03:20:08 for some unexplicable reason Jul 26 03:20:27 my devkit-doctools is broken on arm, but works on X86 Jul 26 03:20:36 which means I'm missing a lot of packages Jul 26 03:20:39 it happens Jul 26 03:20:51 my devkit-mono is behaving very oddly Jul 26 03:20:51 but I've got only 40 minutes left!!!!! Jul 26 03:20:59 god DAMN Jul 26 03:21:27 man...I gotta go Jul 26 03:21:34 good luck for you Jul 26 03:21:39 and thanks for your time Jul 26 03:21:43 me too, another night wasted Jul 26 03:22:10 bye fellows Jul 26 03:51:17 Is it possible to get 'net access through the USB cable and a Linux server/desktop? Jul 26 03:51:31 With a 770, that is. Jul 26 03:53:51 * MobileSim bricked his router trying to get it out of client mode and back into AP mode, and has no cash or income at the moment to replace it. Jul 26 03:56:30 If it seems like a strange question, I can only say that I've done it with a Palm before, and I'm not just pulling this completely out of my ass. Jul 26 03:58:14 <`0660> you're not alone with that Jul 26 03:58:40 there is an option for usb networking Jul 26 03:58:51 but I never used it Jul 26 03:58:58 and unfortunately it's 6am Jul 26 03:59:16 which means my connection goes off in one minute Jul 26 03:59:19 <`0660> am not sure though if it's easily doable or not Jul 26 03:59:21 bye! Jul 26 03:59:28 it's on the wiki, afaik Jul 26 03:59:43 <`0660> bye! Jul 26 04:26:44 has anyone been able to get mplayer to play a file shared by a upnp server? Jul 26 06:47:37 good morning #maemo Jul 26 06:51:53 sure Jul 26 06:52:08 is garage down ? Jul 26 06:52:14 or is it my connection :/ Jul 26 06:52:29 not just you Jul 26 06:52:37 do you really need garage? Jul 26 06:52:38 morning timeless Jul 26 06:52:49 you can use bugs.maemo.org :) Jul 26 06:53:03 :) Jul 26 06:53:11 i wanted to give maemo cjk a try Jul 26 06:54:07 committed-date="2007-06-08T17:55:19.762710Z" Jul 26 06:54:07 url="https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemocjk/trunk" Jul 26 06:55:12 if you want, i can package that somewhere Jul 26 06:55:25 * timeless has a mirror of /most/ of garage Jul 26 06:55:52 Filesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on Jul 26 06:55:52 root_pool/home/svn/world-all/garage Jul 26 06:55:53 362G 8.2G 124G 7% /export/home/svn/world-all/garage Jul 26 06:55:56 it's not very tiny Jul 26 06:55:58 i appreciate the offer, i guess i can wait and switch to another task Jul 26 06:56:01 in the mean time Jul 26 06:56:03 meantime Jul 26 06:56:59 * timeless ponders Jul 26 06:57:16 * timeless needs to figure out how ssh-agent and friends work Jul 26 07:33:05 hello there, somebody awake?? Jul 26 07:33:31 * dubdibdub takes a nip from his simpsons-coffee-mug Jul 26 07:36:46 garage was down earlier Jul 26 07:36:54 i haven't bothered bugging ferenc about it Jul 26 07:37:11 * timeless tries publishing a local mirror of garage to an external server Jul 26 07:37:28 * timeless isn't really sure if there's enough space on the server Jul 26 07:41:11 interesting Jul 26 07:41:21 dh grows its storage weekly by at least 1g Jul 26 07:44:01 * timeless is wondering how to check account quotas Jul 26 07:49:32 where has the quota command gone, or am i halluciniremembering? Jul 26 07:49:45 in what world? Jul 26 07:50:03 [timeless@viper ~]$ quota --help Jul 26 07:50:03 quota: invalid option -- - Jul 26 07:50:15 timeless@swift:~% quota --help Jul 26 07:50:15 quota: illegal option -- help Jul 26 07:50:15 ufs usage: quota [-v] [username] Jul 26 07:53:24 ok it's just not installed by default on Sidux (desktop os) Jul 26 07:55:32 Morning, all Jul 26 07:55:53 mooin Jul 26 07:57:53 os or distro? Jul 26 07:58:02 swift runs open solaris community edition or something Jul 26 07:58:06 distro... sorry for mentioning it Jul 26 07:58:36 timeless@nexenta:~$ quota --help Jul 26 07:58:36 quota: illegal option -- help Jul 26 07:58:42 nexenta is well, nexenta Jul 26 07:58:43 i used to use it to limit memory usage by firefox and X server Jul 26 07:59:06 you mean you don't like firefox using 1.9gb of vm? Jul 26 07:59:20 my ff's like using 4gb of vm :) Jul 26 07:59:22 heh apropos Jul 26 07:59:34 but quota is for file systems not? Jul 26 07:59:46 -rw-------+ 1 timeless other 3.8G Feb 13 14:44 /var/crash/cores/firefox-bin.19218.global.100.1171360448.swift Jul 26 07:59:52 normally ulimit is for memory Jul 26 08:00:07 gaah yes Jul 26 08:00:08 and firefox until recently hasn't been configured to use an aggressive disk cache Jul 26 08:00:16 that's going to change a bit Jul 26 08:00:23 iirc the default cache size is 50mb (disk) Jul 26 08:00:28 and it's going to be at least 100mb Jul 26 08:01:25 because it turns out that's actually a win Jul 26 08:01:56 Filesystem size used avail capacity Mounted on Jul 26 08:01:56 root_pool/home/timeless Jul 26 08:01:56 362G 6.0G 124G 5% /export/home/timeless Jul 26 08:01:56 and disk space is cheap :) Jul 26 08:01:56 (which is kinda why i don't mind keeping 4 3.8gb cores from firefox ...) Jul 26 08:01:57 * timeless ponders Jul 26 08:01:58 does rsync not default to using useful compression? Jul 26 08:02:22 and if i don't use useful compression will it take forever for me to transfer 8gb of gar(b)age ? Jul 26 08:04:18 depends on many factors Jul 26 08:11:10 unique311: morning Jul 26 08:17:54 hrm, only e^ipi let me ask his time :( Jul 26 08:19:43 ok, garage is finally being pushed Jul 26 08:19:50 this should be fun Jul 26 08:21:10 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/ Jul 26 08:21:18 in case someone wants some piece of garage svn Jul 26 08:21:41 404 Jul 26 08:21:41 there's 8gb of content being sent from swift to sanjay over an ssh tunnel or two and probably a dsl link Jul 26 08:21:49 inz: eh? Jul 26 08:22:10 garage works reel guud for me timeless, thanks for the work Jul 26 08:22:12 wfm from boffo Jul 26 08:22:22 * timeless hasn't touched garage Jul 26 08:22:28 oh whoever does it Jul 26 08:22:45 inz: you're really getting a 404? Jul 26 08:22:48 timeless, yes Jul 26 08:22:56 is maemo garage down ? Jul 26 08:23:07 bilboed: it was earlier Jul 26 08:23:15 still seems to be Jul 26 08:23:36 where can I grab the gecko browser then ? :) Jul 26 08:23:58 hold on Jul 26 08:24:12 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/index.html will be a url for it Jul 26 08:24:18 but it hasn't synced that yet Jul 26 08:24:35 ok Jul 26 08:24:52 bilboed, it's in extras Jul 26 08:25:25 inz: does http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/ give you a 404 too? Jul 26 08:25:51 timeless, nope Jul 26 08:25:59 strange Jul 26 08:26:24 timeless, nm. it was vte Jul 26 08:26:33 vte ?? Jul 26 08:26:51 timeless, or the regexes gnome-terminal passes to vte Jul 26 08:27:09 timeless, I ctrl-clicked the link, just noticed it dropped the last slash from the url Jul 26 08:27:15 ah Jul 26 08:27:20 timeless, without the last slash, it doesn't work Jul 26 08:27:23 yeah, i need to work on the rewrite urls Jul 26 08:27:31 the code has some not so perfect heuristics Jul 26 08:28:09 hrm Jul 26 08:28:11 oh fsck Jul 26 08:28:14 did i mess up? Jul 26 08:28:16 that'd suck Jul 26 08:28:19 * timeless curses Jul 26 08:28:44 hrm, no i don't think i did Jul 26 08:28:52 * timeless wonders why www/ hasn't been filled Jul 26 08:32:16 ok, www/ is being filled now Jul 26 08:32:45 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/index.html Jul 26 08:32:47 should work Jul 26 08:32:48 hmm... all maemo sites seem to be sluggish to be, can't even get to http://maemo.org/browser Jul 26 08:33:06 bilboed:you should be able to use the url i just pasted instead Jul 26 08:33:14 k Jul 26 08:33:28 it's not guaranteed to be current, otoh the person most likely to change the content there is me Jul 26 08:34:22 sorry about the url length, it's a hazard of automatic things, but that's what tinyurl is for :) Jul 26 08:34:45 anyway, now you guys can see what swift looks like, at least partly Jul 26 08:35:05 Hmmm, if I wanted to render svg files to png is there any applications/libraries that come with 2007 that could handle that? Jul 26 08:35:08 after i've pushed garage, i'll push at least one sdk source critter Jul 26 08:35:32 the image viewer for 2007 theoretically has poor support for svg Jul 26 08:35:37 so you can use the lib it uses Jul 26 08:36:53 Is there librsvg? Jul 26 08:37:11 /gdk-osso-svg-loade Jul 26 08:37:14 in some versions of things Jul 26 08:37:21 s/e$/er Jul 26 08:37:36 /gdk-osso-svg-loader-0.21 in 2007 Jul 26 08:37:40 .4 anyway Jul 26 08:37:40 <_Monkey> 0.4 Jul 26 08:38:39 very strange Jul 26 08:38:48 osso-imageviewer doesn't claim to have any interesting dependencies Jul 26 08:40:18 looks like it just uses gdk_pixbuf_loader_new mostly Jul 26 08:40:36 Is there an answer to my last question? Jul 26 08:40:49 no sign of a libsvg if that's a package Jul 26 08:40:59 librsvg* Jul 26 08:41:07 Don't forget the r Jul 26 08:41:12 i only have a source index, not a binary index, so it's not practical for me to tell you if the file exists Jul 26 08:41:27 i did a search for svg.*debian Jul 26 08:41:41 the only files matching were gdk-osso-svg-loader ... Jul 26 08:43:47 * timeless frowns Jul 26 08:43:53 some of the features on sanjay are broken Jul 26 08:44:41 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/tt/find?string=XML.*%2Ft%2F&tree=tt&hint=8 Jul 26 08:44:46 for an example of how searching works Jul 26 08:45:07 the hint=8 shouldn't be needed, but something's broken w/ the hinting code Jul 26 08:45:35 it's probably fixed on swift, i'll see about doing a diff at some point since sanjay now has some new code i need to import Jul 26 08:46:30 good morning Jul 26 08:47:12 bilboed/inz/whichever, did the browser page work well enough to get you your content? Jul 26 08:48:42 yep Jul 26 08:49:04 :) Jul 26 08:49:26 i figure by next wednesday this rsync will be done :) Jul 26 08:49:48 to-check=1379515/1471737 Jul 26 08:50:15 so it has about 1.5million files to send and it's sent maybe 7%? Jul 26 08:51:16 anyway, feel free to browser around mxr-test, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/www/pics/ is vaguely amusing Jul 26 08:52:07 (although, i think i've fixed the biggest bug on that page internally *sigh*) Jul 26 08:52:35 heh Jul 26 08:52:51 it's pretty bad, i'm running about 5 copies of this software Jul 26 08:53:02 plus there are 2 other copies that get occasional syncs Jul 26 08:53:12 and i do dev work on almost all of them Jul 26 08:53:41 each install indexes different content, so i basically fix based on which content i need Jul 26 08:53:54 *grumble* why does date -d support "last friday", but not "last 12:34:56" Jul 26 08:54:08 what in the world would tha tmean? Jul 26 08:54:32 The 12:34:56 that was within the last 24 hours Jul 26 08:59:27 I guess I need to compare %s's and if in the future, use yesterday Jul 26 09:02:15 Aloha! Jul 26 09:11:34 is openssh a waste of space compared to dropbear? Jul 26 09:14:22 * dubdibdub greets you all Jul 26 09:14:27 * dubdibdub gruesst euch alle Jul 26 09:17:11 HELP WITH SUSPEND..: does anybody know why echo mem > /sys/power/state only works one time?? after reanimating by pressing the power-btn a second echo mem....... does not turn off the screen..!! Jul 26 09:19:12 is there a different string you can echo to sys/power/state to re-set it? Jul 26 09:23:05 good morning Jul 26 09:23:27 "Super Mario War"? Jul 26 09:23:28 <_Monkey> somebody said "Super Mario War" was http://pupnik.de/smw-data-min_1.7-8_all.deb and http://pupnik.de/smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb Jul 26 09:35:50 Have all of you guys had a look at the marcelos blog entry? Jul 26 09:35:51 http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/mobile-applications/canola-development-update-or-we-are-not-dead Jul 26 09:35:55 Looks terrific Jul 26 09:37:31 does anyone have a gnumeric .deb for N800 - I can't find one Jul 26 09:40:18 aha bryan.net is the guy who never updated xournal Jul 26 09:40:27 gnumeric deb only for it2005 afaict Jul 26 09:40:49 http://bgran.net/etrunko/gnumeric/ Jul 26 09:40:53 gnumeric? Jul 26 09:41:02 hey Jul 26 09:41:06 i have a n800 tablet Jul 26 09:41:17 can i get a bluetooth headset working with skype? Jul 26 09:41:50 it doesn't seem to redirect the sound to it automatically when paired at least Jul 26 09:41:57 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6079 lnx^ Jul 26 09:42:40 pupnik: yeah, I tried installing that one - but it has arm not armel and is old Jul 26 09:43:15 I must say that canola 2 looks terrific indeed. And evas seems just perfect. Jul 26 09:43:42 I'll definately move to using them in the future. I think Nokia should too (for many apps). Jul 26 09:45:12 http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt/pool/user/g/gnumeric/ gpd Jul 26 09:45:24 pupnik: thanks, so if i install bluetooth alsa i should be able to use skype with it, in addition to just listening to music with it? Jul 26 09:45:53 _Monkey: gnumeric is the gnu spreadsheet http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt/pool/user/g/gnumeric/ Jul 26 09:45:53 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Jul 26 09:46:08 lnx^: haven't tried it Jul 26 09:49:18 <_guardian> please, how to make sure that the text i draw using pango will fit a bounding rectangle ? Jul 26 09:49:37 do you happen to know if nokia might be adding native support for it anytime soon? would be nice to be able to use a wireless headset instead of the one with wire Jul 26 09:52:17 "sshfs"? Jul 26 09:52:41 how does that "something"? work?? Jul 26 10:03:14 pupnik: :( it seems that gnumeric has many dependencies and that the repository is mistral Jul 26 10:03:25 oh well -- i see reports that it is really heavy anyway Jul 26 10:03:47 seems a shame since things like tinysheet on PalmOS were handy Jul 26 10:04:09 if you add that maemo.org.br site to your repositories it should load dependencies automatically Jul 26 10:04:15 * gpd remembers the days of lotus123 on single floppy Jul 26 10:04:17 i don't see the exact line to add to sources.list though Jul 26 10:04:37 pupnik: yeah - but i don't really want a mistral repo in my sources.list Jul 26 10:04:57 * gpd adjusts tin foil hat Jul 26 10:05:06 ask the author to do an update Jul 26 10:05:26 its a shame that the src debs are not published by default Jul 26 10:05:29 i don't have a good sources.list for 2006 handy Jul 26 10:06:06 do you have a fairly good one with yummy extras you could post to pastebin.ca or /msg me? Jul 26 10:06:24 i only have 2007 sources :( Jul 26 10:06:41 n800? or 2007he? Jul 26 10:06:51 n800 with latest firmware Jul 26 10:07:09 ok nm. yeah tell that guy to make a bora sdk and do a new build Jul 26 10:07:14 porters need feedback Jul 26 10:07:34 otherwise it feels like you make something, and nobody uses it or cares Jul 26 10:07:39 and then you drop maintenance Jul 26 10:07:49 I should install my scratchbox again... Jul 26 10:08:44 not sure who to email as it is INdT brazil with no emial on top page Jul 26 10:08:51 http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/ Jul 26 10:09:31 http://www.indt.org.br/contact/ Jul 26 10:11:49 Ok. I sent a message :D Jul 26 10:14:12 * gpd has a strange thought... synergy for maemo... Jul 26 10:14:21 synergy works great! Jul 26 10:14:42 google keesj+synergy Jul 26 10:14:54 wow - just found an old irc log with pupnik <3 synergy! Jul 26 10:15:55 synergy? Jul 26 10:16:19 seems to be gone: http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/synergy/ Jul 26 10:17:03 pupnik: don't suppose the mouse works? Jul 26 10:17:14 hmm :( Jul 26 10:18:11 * gpd worries about the lack of coordination of packages Jul 26 10:19:07 mmh, maemo contributions *should* be more structured, yes. And source packages! We need thar. Jul 26 10:19:09 i know, we're not doing a good job Jul 26 10:19:10 that. Jul 26 10:21:00 how is MUD doing these days? Jul 26 10:21:08 _Monkey: synergy is mouse and keyboard sharing between desktop and tablet http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb Jul 26 10:21:09 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Jul 26 10:21:30 synergy? Jul 26 10:21:31 <_Monkey> somebody said synergy was mouse and keyboard sharing between desktop and tablet http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb Jul 26 10:26:27 i have to learn to use mud still Jul 26 10:26:41 * gpd frantically tries to remember how to use synergy... Jul 26 10:28:41 pupnik: I have synergys --daemon on my tablet with a config file - and synergyc tablet on my desktop -- Jul 26 10:28:57 when the mouse goes offscreen to the right (per config_) should I be able to type on the tablet? Jul 26 10:29:24 i put the server on my main desktop and clients on laptop, tablet and 2nd pc Jul 26 10:29:39 ah synergy connection refused... curious Jul 26 10:30:29 gpd: going slowly, keesj is still working on bits but I've not had much time recently at all Jul 26 10:31:03 Jaffa: yeah - I know the feeling of too much work not enough play! Jul 26 10:31:11 Jaffa: is there a better place to download synergy? Jul 26 10:32:11 Synergy 1.3.1: NOTE: CClientProxy1_0.cpp,206: client "Nokia-N800-26" has disconnected :( Jul 26 10:33:09 multiboot? Jul 26 10:33:34 pupnik: ? Jul 26 10:34:06 i need to set up multiple OS's on the 770, for backups and testing Jul 26 10:35:20 do NOT enjoy going through new setup :| (xterm, ssh, becomeroot, installing tools, removing unneeded media and themes, setting up wlan etc etc etc etc) Jul 26 10:35:43 yeah - that is another area that needs improvement Jul 26 10:36:43 bah - synergy isn't working for me, needs more time than i have Jul 26 10:36:56 pupnik: did you get the mouse owrking or was it just keyboard? Jul 26 10:37:04 both Jul 26 10:37:08 since the N800 doesn't really have a 'mouse'... ? Jul 26 10:37:12 to see the mouse you need to enable the mouse cursor Jul 26 10:37:29 is that scriptfoo magick? Jul 26 10:38:06 i don't remember how to do it. the tablet has an invisible mouse cursor bitmap and you have to relink or copy over that Jul 26 10:38:25 bah - forgetaboutit... /me runs away Jul 26 10:38:33 this should probably be in a postinst script in the deb Jul 26 11:02:23 anyone got thoughts on the Nokia 6288? Jul 26 11:02:56 I have a 6280 Jul 26 11:03:11 I would prefer an e65 ;-) Jul 26 11:04:21 I am looking at three.co.uk pay as you go and choices are limited: Jul 26 11:04:24 http://www.three.co.uk/personal/price_plans_/pay_as_you_go_/pick_a_deal.omp Jul 26 11:04:50 it is not a bad phone Jul 26 11:05:09 work ok with N800 DUN? Jul 26 11:35:31 Arbeiten! http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif Arbeiten! Jul 26 11:51:46 gpd: no idea, I don't have a n800 but a 770 Jul 26 12:45:26 fsck, someone had hacked my gateway/server Jul 26 12:45:49 how did you notice? Jul 26 12:46:21 cosmo, couldn't log in as root anymore ;) Jul 26 12:47:20 you should use sudo anyway ;) Jul 26 12:47:52 cosmo, then I would not have noticed Jul 26 13:21:20 In Maemo/ITOS can i resize a window to take up only a portion of the screen? Jul 26 13:21:35 for a simple xlib app Jul 26 13:22:05 setting smaller width with geometry setting does not work. Kdrive seems to force the window width Jul 26 13:22:36 or Xomap, whatever the X server should be called Jul 26 13:23:18 hi, anyone else noticed that when scrolling down in the moz browser the keyboard appears? Jul 26 13:23:29 Has everybody read this article on Steve Jobs' button attitude? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118532502435077009.html?mod=hpp_us_editors_picks Jul 26 13:25:35 Okko: Yeah, the current browser build is not very good one. Nice of nokia to publish alpha build though Jul 26 13:25:52 I hope they'll release another alpha build soon Jul 26 13:26:08 one that works better than this one. Jul 26 13:26:10 konttori: yes, it was nice. Just wanted to make sure that it's not some rare bug/feature I've encoutered. :) Jul 26 13:26:42 the funniest bug I found is when you edit a passwd field, from then on, all text typed in fields with the thumb keyboard, will be passwords (turns to asterisks :)) Jul 26 13:27:02 will need to file that one Jul 26 13:30:46 pupnik, can you set window type hint? Jul 26 13:30:52 http://matchbox-project.org/sources/matchbox-keyboard/0.1/ << a vkbd - not compiling for me yet Jul 26 13:31:07 http://slappy.cs.uiuc.edu/fall01/team3/download.shtml << another vkbd - not compiling for me yet Jul 26 13:31:58 inz, dunno. at this point i'd be happy to just resize the height (ITOS seems to accept this via the -geometry flag on xkbd) Jul 26 13:32:15 ... to get the vkbd out of the way (only obscuring 8-10 pixels at the bottom) Jul 26 13:33:22 http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xkbd/ << vkbd that compiles out of the box and runs on top of fullscreen windows Jul 26 13:43:47 pupnik: is acmonitor supposed to modify the values available in the Display Options window? Jul 26 13:44:59 no procto, that's not included Jul 26 13:45:09 oh, ok Jul 26 13:45:31 network keepalive should help with airdumping :> Jul 26 13:45:32 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704&highlight=acmonitor Jul 26 13:45:46 there's how to increase screen blank timeouts Jul 26 13:46:25 pupnik: ah, cool, thanks bunches Jul 26 13:55:39 is there a way to measure current battery consumption or OMAP system power drain? Jul 26 13:56:37 hi unique311 Jul 26 13:58:33 hello Jul 26 13:58:33 <_Monkey> niihau, unique311 Jul 26 14:00:40 it looks like the 0.97 version of maryo is much less developed than the latest (gameplay, graphics) Jul 26 14:01:07 so am I right in believing that with the latest firmware, I can put 4gb/8gb sd cards in the n800 ? Jul 26 14:01:08 binary? Jul 26 14:01:51 is it playable pupnik Jul 26 14:02:42 i haven't touched it yet Jul 26 14:03:07 bilboed: yes, check the forum also for a modified kernel that seems (so far) to fix the sd-corruption bug. Jul 26 14:03:10 if it compiles and is playable....developing graphics and gameplay can be dealt with by people who are interested in making some magic happen Jul 26 14:04:10 might end up messing with it today...gotta get scratchbox going. Jul 26 14:06:12 kontorri: what's wrong w/ the browser? Jul 26 14:08:48 Haaahaha Bochs-Gp2x: "Win95 boots in about 6:30 minutes, which is not really bad" Jul 26 14:09:03 konttnope Jul 26 14:09:22 on the 770 how long? Jul 26 14:13:34 don't know Jul 26 14:13:52 it's a joke man, try windows on a 8 mhz pc-at Jul 26 14:14:35 scratchbox only plays nice on ubuntu Jul 26 14:14:52 it doesn't work on debian? Jul 26 14:14:59 k, debian it is.. Jul 26 14:15:12 how's wifi setup in debian... Jul 26 14:15:19 do i have to manually get that up.. Jul 26 14:15:33 having a horrible time with gutsy wifi setup Jul 26 14:16:12 and gutsy freezes to the point of having to reboot..not sure thats the type of environment i want to run scratchbox in Jul 26 14:16:56 http://sidux.com/ is my favorite deb distro Jul 26 14:17:30 your fav, might be someone's nightmare Jul 26 14:18:58 it's like ubuntu but without the fail :) Jul 26 14:19:11 or kubuntu rather Jul 26 14:30:10 hi, I'm porting an app to the N800, but can't get its icon to appear in the taskbar Jul 26 14:30:29 (the icon shows up fine in the menu and in the package list) Jul 26 14:30:43 What do I need to do to get it to show up? Jul 26 14:33:55 (this is a Python app btw) Jul 26 14:33:59 tweg, your programs WMclass needs to match the Exec-line (after last slash) or you need to specify the WMclass in the .desktop file Jul 26 14:34:50 what do you mean by WMclass? Jul 26 14:36:39 tweg, the WM_CLASS property Jul 26 14:37:05 a gtk property? Jul 26 14:37:31 tweg, no, an X11/Xlib/whatever property Jul 26 14:38:07 I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Would it help to paste the relevant portions of my .desktop file Jul 26 14:38:08 ? Jul 26 14:38:53 tweg, might, probably doesn't though Jul 26 14:39:56 so is the taskbar icon specified by the .desktop file or set via gtk? Jul 26 14:40:30 it's specified by the .desktop file Jul 26 14:41:08 tweg, the Exec-line of your .desktop might tell something Jul 26 14:41:53 relevant parts: Jul 26 14:42:16 Exec=exaile Jul 26 14:42:23 Icon=exaile Jul 26 14:42:34 X-Icon-path=/usr/share/icons Jul 26 14:42:40 X-Window-Icon=exaile Jul 26 14:42:46 X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true Jul 26 14:42:55 X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable Jul 26 14:43:10 I asked for the Exec-line... Jul 26 14:43:13 Oh, well. Jul 26 14:43:21 I gave you the Exec line Jul 26 14:43:26 And much more ;) Jul 26 14:44:01 Well, that shouldn't be a prob, are you using Gtk? Jul 26 14:44:08 pygtk Jul 26 14:45:22 And the exaile-binary isn't a script that just runs another program? Jul 26 14:45:35 yes it is a script Jul 26 14:45:44 shell script Jul 26 14:45:56 That's most likely your problem Jul 26 14:46:37 You should then add line: "StartupWMClass=" Jul 26 14:46:48 to the .desktop Jul 26 14:47:04 just the basename (i.e. no directory part)? Jul 26 14:47:12 yes Jul 26 14:47:19 ta, I'll give it a try Jul 26 14:50:31 hello folks Jul 26 14:52:50 cheers inz, that did the trick. Thanks for your help. :-) Jul 26 14:55:00 the garage is dead? Jul 26 15:01:27 another (possibly related) question Jul 26 15:01:49 the title bar text appears as "exaile.py - Exaile Music Player" Jul 26 15:02:05 even though I have set the title to "Exaile Music Player" Jul 26 15:02:29 exaile for maemo? Jul 26 15:02:30 cool! Jul 26 15:02:48 How do I prevent the "exaile.py - " part showing up? Jul 26 15:03:30 NeoStrider: yep, it's working, not all the features work properly at this stage tho Jul 26 15:03:39 good enough for playing playlists tho Jul 26 15:03:51 works with 770? Jul 26 15:04:20 I don't think so; afaik the gstreamer sink interface has changed since then Jul 26 15:04:38 =-( Jul 26 15:04:48 wouldn't be too hard to make it work with that Jul 26 15:04:48 all the cool stuff is for the N800 =-( Jul 26 15:05:06 I will make my game 770 exclusive! =-P Jul 26 15:05:12 well if I had access to a 770 I would fix it for that Jul 26 15:05:35 I can put it on my todo list if you are willing to alpha test it :-) Jul 26 15:05:43 count on me Jul 26 15:05:48 NeoStrider, super mario war by pupnik Jul 26 15:06:03 "super mario war"? Jul 26 15:06:03 show me that, unique311! Jul 26 15:06:04 <_Monkey> rumour has it "super mario war" is http://pupnik.de/smw-data-min_1.7-8_all.deb and http://pupnik.de/smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb Jul 26 15:06:16 pretty cool.. Jul 26 15:06:20 runs on my N800 Jul 26 15:06:46 i wrote the authors a nice compliment on their portability Jul 26 15:06:47 770 not sure it will run Jul 26 15:06:55 i will test it Jul 26 15:07:08 btton map work...fullscreen Jul 26 15:07:10 sound Jul 26 15:07:17 NeoStrider: if you make improvements please let me know Jul 26 15:07:32 where is the source? =-) Jul 26 15:07:44 do smc Jul 26 15:07:58 is python-sqlite available for 770? Jul 26 15:08:03 super mario chronicles. Jul 26 15:08:21 pupnik, it needs python? Jul 26 15:08:34 svn://svn.72dpiarmy.com/smw Jul 26 15:09:18 i don't know, i just ran ./configure && make Jul 26 15:09:29 no python Jul 26 15:09:36 cool Jul 26 15:09:40 gtg Jul 26 15:09:42 lunch Jul 26 15:09:48 but I will test it Jul 26 15:09:49 BRB Jul 26 15:09:57 and try to hack it =-) Jul 26 15:10:13 hercules, hercules Jul 26 15:10:41 best way to discard cd's that you think harbour valuable info... Jul 26 15:10:46 microwave... Jul 26 15:24:17 copying the game to the 770... Jul 26 15:25:15 pupnik, how do you do a "data" package? Jul 26 15:25:27 ooops...incompatible package Jul 26 15:25:45 what version it2006? Jul 26 15:26:04 gregalle Jul 26 15:26:37 i had to dpkg -i to get it installed Jul 26 15:26:40 i will build it for it2006 Jul 26 15:26:47 i will try this ,then Jul 26 15:26:52 i built under gregale :/ Jul 26 15:27:58 are you root on the device? Jul 26 15:28:09 no Jul 26 15:29:19 whats the root password for gregalle? Jul 26 15:29:26 rootme? Jul 26 15:30:27 didnt worked Jul 26 15:31:44 how did you installled it? Jul 26 15:32:38 sudo gainroot Jul 26 15:32:49 and the dpkg -i .deb Jul 26 15:32:58 and the dpkg -i *.deb Jul 26 15:36:22 i'd love to see a sdl remake of 'Joust' Jul 26 15:43:18 pupnik, it gave me a funny message Jul 26 15:43:39 cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? Jul 26 15:43:48 Enable RD mode if you want to break your device Jul 26 15:43:52 whats that? Jul 26 15:44:06 red pill mode Jul 26 15:44:22 show's packages that cannot be seen in blue pill mode Jul 26 15:44:27 wow...I only knew it from graphical instructions Jul 26 15:44:50 ok...but how to proceed now? Jul 26 15:44:51 application manager Jul 26 15:44:51 <_Monkey> somebody said application manager was a lot safer than alternatives Jul 26 15:44:58 im still a $ Jul 26 15:45:01 how to become #? Jul 26 15:45:12 i will show you.. Jul 26 15:45:24 you need to install becomeroot Jul 26 15:45:37 this game is hilarious Jul 26 15:45:40 application manager Jul 26 15:45:40 <_Monkey> i guess application manager is a lot safer than alternatives Jul 26 15:45:46 will need wifi? Jul 26 15:45:53 I dont have connectivity right now Jul 26 15:45:54 yes Jul 26 15:45:57 hmmm Jul 26 15:46:22 why you cant install it the common way? Jul 26 15:46:26 double tapping it? Jul 26 15:46:41 (how to disable the red pill mode?) Jul 26 15:46:44 hey maybe you can extract the contents of the deb file Jul 26 15:46:56 and manually place them in location Jul 26 15:47:18 not sure red pill mode is enable for you.. Jul 26 15:47:20 or just run it =-) Jul 26 15:47:31 how to extract it? Jul 26 15:47:52 in ubuntu...right click on the package and extract all Jul 26 15:48:00 in windows you need 7zip. Jul 26 15:48:05 maybe unrar will work.. Jul 26 15:48:11 ok...so you mean using a desktop Jul 26 15:48:15 ok...im on ubuntu right now Jul 26 15:48:16 yes Jul 26 15:48:26 right click on the deb pack Jul 26 15:48:31 and extract all Jul 26 15:48:55 how the game expect to see the data? where? Jul 26 15:49:19 extract data Jul 26 15:49:50 NeoStrider, you are trying to install smw, correct? Jul 26 15:49:54 yeah Jul 26 15:49:59 got all the data dirs Jul 26 15:50:11 now send them to you device Jul 26 15:50:29 r Jul 26 15:51:18 yeah..doing it right now Jul 26 15:51:21 I've got everything Jul 26 15:52:16 might need to chmod +x smw when you transfer it to the device Jul 26 15:53:09 data goes in /usr/share/smw Jul 26 15:54:06 can i just put everything on a directory and run from there? Jul 26 15:54:18 or the game looks for everything on /usr/share/smw? Jul 26 15:55:03 not sure.. Jul 26 15:55:16 should be able to.. Jul 26 15:55:18 gonna try Jul 26 15:56:04 but then you have to run the game from command line like so. usr/share/smw/smw Jul 26 15:56:33 how did you built the package? Jul 26 15:56:55 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b Jul 26 15:57:23 but then, how did it dont install under gregalle? Jul 26 15:57:50 you used the stock autoconf files or created new ones for the maemo port? Jul 26 15:58:12 all stock. i just made some changes now Jul 26 15:58:29 it must be it Jul 26 15:58:47 why dont you try using maemowizard , to make a quick package? Jul 26 16:00:12 because i would have to type in every single object file into maemowizard Jul 26 16:00:49 just do a "ls", copy and paste it ;-) Jul 26 16:00:52 well Jul 26 16:01:00 "ERROR: Empty map directory!" Jul 26 16:01:28 thank you for the feedback though NeoStrider Jul 26 16:01:36 i will set up the menu Jul 26 16:01:47 section has to be user/other and not 'games' i think Jul 26 16:01:49 i will try to build a package with the maemowizard Jul 26 16:01:51 i got that Jul 26 16:01:55 good! Jul 26 16:01:59 the empty map directory Jul 26 16:02:11 did you do the same for the data.deb pack Jul 26 16:02:13 i gtg now Jul 26 16:02:14 work Jul 26 16:02:16 ok Jul 26 16:02:29 yeah...all under ~/MyDocs/.documents/ Jul 26 16:02:36 no Jul 26 16:02:36 thanks guys Jul 26 16:02:39 see you all later Jul 26 16:02:43 belong in usr/share Jul 26 16:02:52 yeah...but I cant write on there Jul 26 16:03:02 true Jul 26 16:03:04 k. Jul 26 16:03:07 bye Jul 26 16:03:25 so i'm the only one with a working version of smw Jul 26 16:03:31 not fun... Jul 26 16:03:43 maybe i should put out a video...get interest going. Jul 26 16:05:22 * gpd examines new Nokia 6300 Jul 26 16:09:53 testing with app manager on a clean 2.2 / it2006 install Jul 26 16:10:46 "incompatible package" :) Jul 26 16:11:14 ahh i need to update the data files too duh Jul 26 16:15:28 who remembers how to get a deb package to prompt where to install data files... Jul 26 16:17:17 I'd like to know how to get my program know where the deb package threw the data files in the end Jul 26 16:17:21 haahaha they made the bin depend on the data and the data depend on the bin Jul 26 16:17:42 I don't like hardcoding strings like /usr/share/myapp/ Jul 26 16:18:15 yes Mikho the /usr/share things can sometimes go to mmc Jul 26 16:18:30 mmc? Jul 26 16:18:43 /media/mmc1 or mmc2 Jul 26 16:18:50 the storage cards Jul 26 16:19:00 looki in debian/install to see where the package puts files Jul 26 16:19:29 yes, but I'd like to know what kind of code should I write in the .cpp files Jul 26 16:19:46 ohh Jul 26 16:20:33 you can define target directories with autotools / automake/autoconf Jul 26 16:20:46 these get passed to your program in the make step Jul 26 16:20:56 but you want to do this at runtime... yesss Jul 26 16:21:01 me too :) Jul 26 16:30:03 hey guys, who has gotten kicked in the nuts with the nokia/buy.com crap? Jul 26 16:30:19 Presence_: what are you referring to? Jul 26 16:31:06 the 770 failes (within 30 days of receipt...12 days in my case). Buy.com wont let you return it, nokia says buy.com isnt an authorized reseller and wont honor the warranty Jul 26 16:31:38 yes, it seems there's no easy way to figure out run-time where the data files went Jul 26 16:31:57 I wonder how the real programmers do it Jul 26 16:32:05 Presence_: Ah. That is a problem. Jul 26 16:32:50 jjaz: yeah, its pissing me off Jul 26 16:33:05 Presence_: There might be consumer protection laws that apply. Jul 26 16:34:58 Presence_: the laws vary from state to state Jul 26 16:35:11 I'd like to restart the x server on my N800. Anybody know what process I need to kill? Jul 26 16:35:23 i think a DOA case is 10 days, after 10 days it's a RMA, which goes back to mfgr Jul 26 16:36:30 yeah, which puts me in a shitty spot Jul 26 16:45:54 jjazz: Xomap would be the server, but killing that will give you reboot anyway so might as well just reboot directly... Jul 26 16:46:11 when you flash a new ITOS, how many applications can you install from Application manager? Jul 26 16:46:15 any guesses? Jul 26 16:46:55 The answer is 3. You can install 3 applications with the default repositories. maemoblocks, maemopad and mediastreamer. Jul 26 16:47:22 lol Jul 26 16:47:23 am I missing a trivia night at #maemo? Jul 26 16:47:26 zuh: Yeah, I discovered that one the hard way. :P Interestingly, X was not responding well to taps while I had vnc serve running. Then the server was likewise not responding. But it answered ssh, so the device wasn't down. Jul 26 16:49:38 can you imagine a non-techy person seeing this? :) they'd go "there's no software for it!" and give it to their nephew for christmas. :P Jul 26 16:50:25 how did you find out how many programs can you install? Jul 26 16:50:42 i clicked on update in the application manager Jul 26 16:50:51 then i clicked on 'install new applications' Jul 26 16:51:03 and that was the list :) Jul 26 16:51:53 I wonder if you can install even those, since the mistral repos seem to be broken Jul 26 16:52:36 the catalogue files apt-get and others get seem to be alright, but the actual .deb packages aren't where they're supposed to be Jul 26 16:53:48 :) Jul 26 16:54:16 and, application manager just says "unable to install" Jul 26 16:57:35 <_guardian> i know nothing about cairo Jul 26 16:57:40 oh well, it's all free! Jul 26 16:57:42 <_guardian> is it integrated with gtk now ? Jul 26 16:59:30 in the real world, yes Jul 26 16:59:43 in maemo, looks like they're still backleveled on gtk to the point where it is not Jul 26 16:59:54 (or so a quick ls of usr/lib/ would seem to imply) Jul 26 17:00:23 <_guardian> i have /usr/lib/libcairo.so on the device though Jul 26 17:00:26 <_guardian> n800 Jul 26 17:01:02 I don't, on a clean flash, so i suspect that came from a package you installed? Jul 26 17:01:39 <_guardian> ah maybe Jul 26 17:01:43 <_guardian> did not think about that Jul 26 17:02:01 it's possible I missed it, too Jul 26 17:37:21 as a bluetooth->phone newbie - should I expect to be able to connect N800 to phone and transfer files? Jul 26 17:40:44 gpd - yes Jul 26 17:41:12 gpd - via file manager on the n800, you should be able to transfer files over BT as standard Jul 26 17:41:32 but it is painfully slow Jul 26 17:41:52 milhouse: fab - thanks Jul 26 17:42:08 I was looking at dataplans for UK but all seem crazy Jul 26 17:42:28 i guess that depends on the phone but yes, not lightning fast - BT 2.0 phones will only manage 250K bytes/second at most (BT 1.0 a lot less) Jul 26 17:42:45 T-Mobile and 3 have the best Jul 26 17:43:13 3 certainly have the best offering as long as you don't mind breaking their Ts&Cs Jul 26 17:43:23 well i ended up with vodafone and a payg phone - so i'm probably screwed Jul 26 17:43:37 £5/month, 1GB capped - no modem use allowed (but they don't seem to care) Jul 26 17:43:39 but i decided it was going to be so expensive i didn't care Jul 26 17:43:59 that is on a 20/mo plan or something though :( Jul 26 17:44:22 yeah, it's in addition to a voice plan - I don't think anyone offers data only Jul 26 17:45:00 what are your PAYG costs on voda? Jul 26 17:45:05 I just want to be able to grab a few megabytes from my N800 through my phone occasionally Jul 26 17:45:18 30p/min for first 3min and then 10p/min Jul 26 17:45:49 suppose it will work out cheaper as long as you keep your usage quite low Jul 26 17:46:01 my uszge iz zero Jul 26 17:46:10 very cheap then :) Jul 26 17:46:14 aye :D Jul 26 17:46:34 but you say per minute.... that's odd Jul 26 17:46:50 that was voice Jul 26 17:46:53 how does that work for data - i guess an always on connection (like GPRS) is out of the question Jul 26 17:46:59 no sign of data on PAYG :( Jul 26 17:46:59 what about data costs? Jul 26 17:47:03 ah, ok Jul 26 17:47:09 I just gave up on it Jul 26 17:47:28 i can hop onto a wifi access point if i am desperate: cloud etc Jul 26 17:49:06 i can't believe they broke the mistral repos at maemo.org Jul 26 17:49:10 what's the news on that? Jul 26 17:49:42 no more osso-xterm for me? Jul 26 17:49:51 these guys need to get syndicated on planet... http://www.intomobile.com/2007/07/26/mauku-jaiku-client-for-nokia-770n800-internet-tablets.html Jul 26 17:50:02 either maemoapps or the app author Jul 26 17:51:56 oh just s/mistral/gregale i get it Jul 26 17:53:19 milhouse: I can add that... does he have maemo-only feed? Jul 26 17:53:35 i've no idea, sorry - just found it on the intomobile site Jul 26 17:54:15 i'm not sure if the authors site is a blog or not - can't see any obvious tags Jul 26 17:54:33 this *could* be good enough: http://www.intomobile.com/category/manufacturers/nokia Jul 26 17:54:36 but maemoapps seems to be tagged. Jul 26 17:54:42 maemoapps.com Jul 26 17:56:02 ok... maybe I better run this through Ferenc :-) Jul 26 17:57:22 oh well, just adding... Jul 26 17:57:29 Hello! I'm receiving the following error (http://paste-it.net/2985) when attempting to do a fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade Jul 26 17:58:00 intomobile.com is a "professional" blogging site, i don't know if there are any issues there. Jul 26 17:58:58 that maemoapps feedburner feed seems to have issues Jul 26 18:00:09 ah, got it working... feedburner is slow so the aggregator was timing out the fetch Jul 26 18:00:19 cool :) Jul 26 18:01:02 i can see them on planet maemo now - nice! :) Jul 26 18:01:19 his HTML is totally broken though Jul 26 18:01:38 * bergie wonders if the planet should start running feeds through HTML Tidy :-) Jul 26 18:01:49 yeah, the planet entries seem to have odd links at the bottom Jul 26 18:02:10 and the formatting is a little odd Jul 26 18:02:23 that is quite normal feedburner I think, but formatting sucks... lots of

s Jul 26 18:02:50 end of sentence

start of sentence etc Jul 26 18:03:09 oh well... as long as it doesn't break the planet :) Jul 26 18:03:55 milhouse: yep. I'll think of the Tidy stuff, though. I'm doing some RSS import things anyway Jul 26 18:04:55 we might have a problem though Jul 26 18:05:15 I first viewed in Firefox - no problem (but then I don't have the javascript console enabled) Jul 26 18:05:34 then i tested in ie 7.0 and planet maemo is not throwing up an error dialog Jul 26 18:05:43 not sure if it's related to the new feed or not Jul 26 18:05:53 probably is Jul 26 18:05:55 hmm Jul 26 18:05:58 line 137, char 14 - expected identifier Jul 26 18:08:22 now that I look at it in detail the HTML is really odd Jul 26 18:08:59 it's worth running code through firefox with the javascript console and strict javascript enabled... there are js errors in maemo such as this: Jul 26 18:09:01 too bad, his content looks quite useful Jul 26 18:09:05 if (result = !!(iterator || Prototype.K)(value, index)) Jul 26 18:10:01 unless the code is really assigning a value to result... Jul 26 18:11:09 prototype.js is full of these errors... when i last used that library we fixed them all Jul 26 18:12:41 we're switching to jQuery everywhere, actually Jul 26 18:13:15 k... but as a rule the firefox js error console is incredibly informative :) Jul 26 18:13:19 is canola worth installing| Jul 26 18:13:20 ? Jul 26 18:13:31 it was always my goal to have zero warnings :) Jul 26 18:13:43 (and zero errors, too!) Jul 26 18:14:18 it looks interesting Jul 26 18:14:36 bergie - out of interest, why are you switching to jquery? what advantages does it have over prototype? Jul 26 18:15:52 aha smw needs more RAM Jul 26 18:15:58 cbx33, of course it is worth installing canola! Jul 26 18:16:54 I enjoy using canola very much, despite the fact that I am a developer of it :P Jul 26 18:16:56 milhouse: speed, some clarity... http://jquery.com/blog/2006/08/20/why-jquerys-philosophy-is-better/ Jul 26 18:17:09 lsobral, ahhh biased biased :p Jul 26 18:17:10 heheh Jul 26 18:17:16 hehehe Jul 26 18:17:21 bergie - thanks, i'll take a look Jul 26 18:17:31 lsobral, i have an n800 will i encounter the vsync errors? Jul 26 18:17:40 does it play.....ANYTHING? Jul 26 18:17:43 like mplayer Jul 26 18:18:49 cbx33, in the N800 we still have the tearing problem (vsync), but it happens for all apps so this is no show stopper Jul 26 18:19:14 i've never seen it Jul 26 18:19:25 what are file formats like supporting wise Jul 26 18:19:35 HI Jul 26 18:19:35 <_Monkey> niihau, Milandor Jul 26 18:19:40 canola uses the same underlying media-engine of the default video player, but you can also add mplayer as a backend for canola Jul 26 18:20:21 cbx33, the tearing appears more with horizontal scrolling, in animation effects Jul 26 18:21:08 ahh Jul 26 18:21:56 cbx33, you can look at gconf (better with the gconf-editor) in the app/osso-media-server the supported formats for the media engine Jul 26 18:22:52 ok Jul 26 18:22:54 hmm Jul 26 18:22:57 I'm liking canola Jul 26 18:23:06 is it just for tablets? Jul 26 18:23:25 looks like it'd be a nice platform for media on a pc too Jul 26 18:25:12 cbx33, I am using it right now on my desktop :) Jul 26 18:25:27 coool Jul 26 18:25:45 but for now it is only release for maemo tablets Jul 26 18:26:01 :( Jul 26 18:26:05 and it's not OSS Jul 26 18:26:45 is it planned to be? Jul 26 18:26:49 it will be OSS, but for legal delays, the code is not open yet Jul 26 18:27:06 the whole thing will be OSS? Jul 26 18:27:13 how long do you think it'll take? Jul 26 18:27:25 hmmm Jul 26 18:27:30 maybe I'll give it a shot Jul 26 18:27:37 you've impressed me so far Jul 26 18:27:55 now that we are moving the UI to evas/edje it will be much easier to run canola in a variety of platforms because the UI will be scalable Jul 26 18:28:00 the only thing that annoys me with my n800 is that last time I connected it to a PC, I lost all the data on my memo card Jul 26 18:28:09 lsobral, awesome Jul 26 18:28:16 when is the next release due out? Jul 26 18:29:22 it will take a bit of time because we are in the middle of heavy changes for better, take a look at: http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/07/25/canola-improvements-coming/ Jul 26 18:29:42 any one else experienced that problem? Jul 26 18:29:52 with the media card getting corrupted Jul 26 18:29:57 when connecting to a pc Jul 26 18:30:14 <||cw> cbx33: did you "eject" it or just unplug Jul 26 18:30:34 i did eject it Jul 26 18:30:53 that time it was fine Jul 26 18:30:59 but i had an instance yesterday Jul 26 18:31:08 I was saving a 10Mb file from the Web onto the mmc2 card Jul 26 18:31:14 and it just"lost" the card Jul 26 18:31:19 I had to reboot for it to find it again Jul 26 18:31:19 cbx33, there is a bug in maemo bugzilla with other people that had the problem of having their mmc corrupted Jul 26 18:31:24 1204 Jul 26 18:31:27 i know it Jul 26 18:31:35 i can't wait till they fix it Jul 26 18:31:41 it's the bain of my n800 at the mo Jul 26 18:31:48 I'm scared to ever connect it to a pc again Jul 26 18:31:57 cbx33, give canola a try and give us your feedback! :) Jul 26 18:32:02 ls Jul 26 18:32:08 lsobral, how big is the download? Jul 26 18:32:30 around 5MB Jul 26 18:32:40 ok Jul 26 18:32:43 i'll give it a go Jul 26 18:32:52 problem is I don't have any audio Jul 26 18:33:07 cos I'm scared of connecting it to the pc as i don't want to lose everything again Jul 26 18:33:58 it sucks Jul 26 18:35:00 the only thing I don't like about my n800 Jul 26 18:35:42 [offtopic (again): any suggestions for free ringtone sites that are not a scam?] Jul 26 18:36:37 I just want a classic oldskool 'ring-ring' Jul 26 18:36:56 the sort of thing this would make: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_dial Jul 26 18:36:58 what is a ringtone format? .au, wav, mid, mod? Jul 26 18:37:17 some are mp3 Jul 26 18:37:21 mine is Jul 26 18:37:44 I've never given a crap before - but I know that the ringtone world is filth incarnate Jul 26 18:38:02 why do people pay for them? Jul 26 18:38:23 fools Jul 26 18:38:23 no idea Jul 26 18:38:23 I can't wait til my 6275i cable arrives... hello custom mp3 ringtones Jul 26 18:38:26 are phones drm-locked for playback of ringtones? Jul 26 18:38:35 no Jul 26 18:39:20 stuff like that makes me feel like i live on another planet from these people Jul 26 18:40:00 btw Super Mario Wars did need more than 64MB ram - it runs with swap enabled Jul 26 18:54:56 great game... horrible dpad Jul 26 19:01:26 _Monkey: forget "Super Mario War" Jul 26 19:01:27 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot "super mario war" Jul 26 19:03:09 _Monkey: "Super Mario War" is a player-vs-player platform game with a mario theme. Packages for 770 (and N800) are at http://pupnik.de/smw.html . Works in Progress, but playable! Jul 26 19:03:10 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Jul 26 19:12:24 is garage down or is it just sucking to be me today? Jul 26 19:14:04 disconnect - garage does look like it might be down here (UK) Jul 26 19:14:15 garage.maemo.org ain't responding Jul 26 19:14:19 if you havent had your device fail within 3 weeks and didnt buy your device from buy.com you haventbeen sucking Jul 26 19:14:43 that does suck. except for not having paid much for it Jul 26 19:15:11 $140 is $140 :( Jul 26 19:15:21 plus I bought a 2g MMC for it, which is useless for anything else Jul 26 19:15:58 Presence - I presume Nokia are repairing it? Jul 26 19:16:06 heh 7 months ago i spent $400 Jul 26 19:16:16 or 8 Jul 26 19:16:46 Could have been worse, you could have paid full price for a 770 on 7 January Jul 26 19:16:58 s/January/January 2007/ Jul 26 19:16:58 milhouse meant: Could have been worse, you could have paid full price for a 770 on 7 January 2007 Jul 26 19:17:37 milhouse: nope. They said that buy.com isnt an authorized retailer and they refuse to honor the warranty Jul 26 19:17:47 that's just bollox Jul 26 19:17:50 milhouse: but then I wouldnt have to pay for repair Jul 26 19:17:54 mil: I agree. Jul 26 19:18:02 Im totally pissed about it Jul 26 19:18:06 don't you have some sort of trading standards ? Jul 26 19:18:24 apparently you can circumvent them with a simple paragraph Jul 26 19:18:47 which is why they're cheap Jul 26 19:19:00 purchasers don't bear the cost of those repairs/RMAs Jul 26 19:19:06 in the uk, Trading Standards are a government organisation that prevent vendors and manufacturers from getting away with this crap Jul 26 19:19:27 let me guess - has your 770 failed with the WSOD, a known design flaw? Jul 26 19:19:36 WSOD == White Screen of Death Jul 26 19:19:38 and prices are 2-3 times higher as a result of that, and other policies Jul 26 19:19:40 milhouse: from what nokia said, this may be why buy has them cheap...they are international versions they couldnt dump Jul 26 19:19:50 _everyone_ has them cheap right now Jul 26 19:19:52 yes, a white screen with grey verticle bars Jul 26 19:19:56 not just buy.com Jul 26 19:20:08 in germany they are twice as expensive Jul 26 19:20:10 Presence - yes, you have in your hands a fault entirely due to Nokia design Jul 26 19:20:17 the device doesnt even display the nokia logo Jul 26 19:20:30 I'd go back to Nokia and pursue the design flaw angle Jul 26 19:21:06 It seems that buy.com have the bad batch :( in the UK several vendors are selling 770s cheap Jul 26 19:21:20 I have been kicking them both in the ass Jul 26 19:21:21 and i'm sure many of them are legit (Amazon, expansys) Jul 26 19:21:27 but I dont think it will go anywhere Jul 26 19:21:42 Im going to lambaste them both if I dont get resolution Jul 26 19:21:56 I feel for you mate, I'd be livid (particularly with Nokia - it's their fault, they should repair it) Jul 26 19:22:26 yes Jul 26 19:25:03 they are stating that I have an invalid serial number (WLAN ID) so they may do nothing Jul 26 19:25:33 I plugged in the device, and an hour later, it wouldnt boot anymore Jul 26 19:26:20 how do you mean invalid WLAN id? invalid in the sense the device was meant for sale abroad? Jul 26 19:28:19 what's the max write speed you can get in those minisd cards in the n800? Jul 26 19:28:37 I am doing some packet capture and it's only grabbing 20% of the traffic Jul 26 19:29:09 either the wireless driver can't handle the packets or the write speed in the mmc is slow Jul 26 19:29:39 its invalid as they cant track it and dont know if its a legit device Jul 26 19:29:48 its fine for wifi, cause thats how I used it Jul 26 19:30:03 hmm... why would anyone fake a WLAN MAC address? Jul 26 19:30:16 can you type it here? Jul 26 19:30:37 lol, dont you have any consumer rights wherever you are? Jul 26 19:30:39 nonono Jul 26 19:30:47 the WLAN ID is what they use for a serial number Jul 26 19:30:55 they say its not a valid serial # Jul 26 19:30:55 ok, first 6 digits? Jul 26 19:31:08 not going to be much use to anyone if it's invalid... :) Jul 26 19:31:12 if I was home I would tell you Jul 26 19:31:16 it was 00:16 something Jul 26 19:31:19 k Jul 26 19:31:31 mine is 00:19... Jul 26 19:31:35 but its not an invalid WLAN ID, its an invalid serial Jul 26 19:32:12 althogh 00:16 is assigned to Nokia also Jul 26 19:32:19 yes, i know... Jul 26 19:32:46 right... Jul 26 19:33:07 this is one way nokia dumps the devices without the repair responsibility Jul 26 19:34:11 both my n800s have wlan macs starting with 00:19:4F:9E Jul 26 19:34:35 are you sure you read it correctly? :) Jul 26 19:36:13 if you go to this page http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php it won't accept a mac starting 0016 (I just changed my 0019... to 0016...) Jul 26 19:36:16 HWaddr 00:19:4F:9E: Jul 26 19:36:53 I might have remembered wrong, but I dont think so Jul 26 19:36:54 will be interesting to see if that page accepts your WLAN MAC... if not, somehow your label is wrong or faked. does ifconfig (as root) tally with the label/sticker? Jul 26 19:37:09 when I go to the support page it says invalid serial Jul 26 19:37:28 if the page _does_ accept your WLAN MAC, then you have one part of Nokia validating your MAC (the software download page) and another part which doesn't validate it Jul 26 19:37:39 at least they're consistent then... Jul 26 19:37:44 hold on Jul 26 19:37:50 Ill put it from my wap mac filter list Jul 26 19:38:01 I have Remote access to that through an ssh tunnel Jul 26 19:38:23 00:19:FD:48 Jul 26 19:38:27 so I remembered wrong Jul 26 19:38:35 00:19:FD:48:E5:AB Jul 26 19:38:39 thats the full mac Jul 26 19:39:20 yep, duff mac Jul 26 19:39:33 according to the software download page Jul 26 19:39:39 how strange is that? Jul 26 19:39:45 but this is a 770 Jul 26 19:39:51 does the 800 support page care? Jul 26 19:39:54 ah...sheettt... good point :) Jul 26 19:40:10 the device mac DOES actually exist on the wifi adapter...and it does work Jul 26 19:40:12 and still duff on the 770 page Jul 26 19:40:29 its not wrong or faked...its just the buy.com/nokia responsibility fiasco Jul 26 19:41:21 its invalid because they know that buy.com has the device with that serial Im sure Jul 26 19:41:34 my 770 (from Nov 2005) is 00:14:A7:FA Jul 26 19:41:54 and they are an "unauthorized" vendor...now I can understand that if its a "clone" that would matter, but I dont think thats the problem Jul 26 19:42:33 I wonder why nokia is not doing anything about fixing monitor mode in their wireless drivers Jul 26 19:42:35 i don't think this has anything to do with buy.com... how has you 770 got a duff WLAN MAC address? Wherever you bought it from, legit or not, you have a device for which it is impossible to download software for starters Jul 26 19:43:33 even if you bought that device from nokia themselves, your mac address is wrong according to the 770 software download page... how did that happen? Jul 26 19:43:44 I already downloaded updates Jul 26 19:43:51 makes me wonder if this is an internal cockup within nokia Jul 26 19:43:53 I installed the most recent version of the firmware Jul 26 19:44:08 when i entered your 770 MAC address into the 770 download page it said "Product ID not valid" Jul 26 19:44:20 they just now or recently removed it to screw me :( Jul 26 19:44:28 cause it worked 2 weeks ago Jul 26 19:44:37 hmm... i suppose that's a possibility Jul 26 19:44:49 they've zapped all the buy.com addresses... maybe Jul 26 19:45:00 but that just sounds crazy Jul 26 19:45:02 when I requested support they actually have a clause that says "contact buy.com if you have problems with your device, we will not honor the warranty" Jul 26 19:45:47 support has told me to send it in, but they dont know its from buy.com yet Jul 26 19:45:55 i don't know the legal ins and outs, but that sounds shakey Jul 26 19:46:01 they require a proof of purchase when I ship it back Jul 26 19:46:20 when i sent my n800 in for repair, i didn't have to provide proof of purchase Jul 26 19:46:33 (not the same i know, but nokia uk didn't ask me where i bought it) Jul 26 19:46:45 and i don't recall sending them my mac address either Jul 26 19:46:54 thats cause you guys have better buyer protection laws Jul 26 19:46:56 before they agreed to pick it up Jul 26 19:47:10 possibly but i thought in the us the consumer was king? :) Jul 26 19:47:15 lots of vendors sell off dodgy gear to places where it isn't supposed to reenter the retail chain - generally it gets broken for parts or sold 'as-is'. recording serial numbers (or changing them) is a good way to ensure that they don't have to support something they already decided was bad.. Jul 26 19:47:17 (i had an ibm drive a few years back that was sent to china to be broken for parts, instead it ended up at fry's.. they replaced it for me cuz they wanted to track down how it got back into the country) Jul 26 19:47:18 (you are in the US, right?) Jul 26 19:48:02 disconnect - this could look very bad for nokia if buy.com sell a ton of 770s, and nokia refuse any support, even blocking a user from downloading essential firmware Jul 26 19:48:46 maybe. or whichever vendor in the chain acted against their agreement might have to replace a ton of units, which would work great for nokia Jul 26 19:48:50 and also, it seems that buy.com are offloading devices which still suffer from the WSoD... not sure I've seen a Woot! user with a WSoD yet, only buy.com buyers Jul 26 19:48:55 lies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung kann lasik das gut behandeln Jul 26 19:49:00 ooops wrong window Jul 26 19:49:43 V-I-P - you've peaked my interest so... Jul 26 19:49:44 _monkey translate from de lies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung kann lasik das gut behandeln Jul 26 19:49:45 <_Monkey> milhouse: read times the things over eye laser treatment, loud http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung can lasik that well treat Jul 26 19:50:17 i've considered lasik... but i've got dual astygmatism (apparently) so can't have it. :( Jul 26 19:50:17 its german by the way Jul 26 19:50:24 kah Jul 26 19:50:27 s/kah/jah/ Jul 26 19:50:27 milhouse meant: jah Jul 26 19:50:34 :) Jul 26 19:51:00 did you use babelfish ? Jul 26 19:51:09 piqued, dammit :| Jul 26 19:51:14 no i asked _monkey to translate Jul 26 19:51:18 * sp3000 is being randomly annoying Jul 26 19:51:23 ok Jul 26 19:51:37 sp3000 - thanks for the correction, how embarassing! :) Jul 26 19:52:39 Presence - according to this page, http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/?string=nokia, 00:19:FD:48:E5:AB isn't even assigned to Nokia... Jul 26 19:53:16 that's actually a Nintendo MAC... Wii by any chance? Jul 26 19:53:47 or a DS.. Jul 26 19:55:00 crap Jul 26 19:55:04 you are right Jul 26 19:55:07 hehe Jul 26 19:55:10 thats the wii I just installed Jul 26 19:55:15 lol Jul 26 19:55:16 for my kids Jul 26 19:55:31 yeah yeah, "for the kids" - ok ;) Jul 26 19:55:37 sorry guys, working and talking :) Jul 26 19:56:04 00:16:4E:98:9C:88 Jul 26 19:56:06 thats it Jul 26 19:56:12 re Jul 26 19:56:15 so I did remember 00:16 correct Jul 26 19:56:53 dumb Jul 26 19:57:00 yep, that's accepted as valid by the 770 download page Jul 26 19:57:04 and it's a Nokia MAC Jul 26 19:57:11 sorry, engineering a network solution and doing this at the same time :) Jul 26 19:58:20 dunno what else to suggest really... but i wish you the best of luck Jul 26 20:08:18 heh, thanks :) Jul 26 20:17:45 good evening maemo Jul 26 20:40:53 how can i change the name server that im useing? Jul 26 20:41:10 i look in the /etc/resove.conf file it says 127.0.0.1 Jul 26 20:42:56 in the advanced settings of connection Jul 26 20:43:57 ok Jul 26 20:44:00 thank you Jul 26 20:44:47 cosmo where is it? Jul 26 20:44:58 control panel > ? Jul 26 20:45:53 connection manager Jul 26 20:46:59 i am useing mistral on 770 Jul 26 20:47:10 i dont see conection manger Jul 26 20:47:42 is that suposed to be under controll panel Jul 26 20:48:08 sorry nubing out Jul 26 20:48:11 Can anyone recommend a countup timer utility? Ideally a gnome-applet, a plugin for gkrellm or a standalone graphical app. By countup timer I mean something that displays the days since a specified date. Jul 26 20:48:36 w8, i'll get my 770 Jul 26 20:49:13 tools->connection manager Jul 26 20:49:55 im there and i dont se any where to specifi the name server Jul 26 20:50:19 i can see my name server that im using but i cant see where to change Jul 26 20:51:32 tools->connectivity->connections->edit->nextnextnext->advanced Jul 26 20:53:54 um is it tools > connection manager? Jul 26 20:54:11 i dont have tools connectivity Jul 26 20:54:20 i have contol pannel > conectivety Jul 26 20:54:22 in connection manager Jul 26 20:54:28 there is menu called tools Jul 26 20:55:26 thank you Jul 26 20:55:51 for you help and patience Jul 26 20:56:28 np, it's quite well hidden Jul 26 20:56:51 usually wifi has dhcp Jul 26 20:57:26 i know but i dont want to use there name servers they are broken :9 Jul 26 21:01:30 hey cosmo you konw where i can confim that i am useing hte dns server i chose? Jul 26 21:01:59 i try cating out /etc/resolve.conf Jul 26 21:02:09 but it stil says 127.0.0.1 Jul 26 21:02:24 hm, weird. i think it should be in resolv.conf Jul 26 21:02:36 i tried manul change in resolve.conf but no dice Jul 26 21:02:44 maemo uses a dns cache Jul 26 21:03:24 the problem is that the current name server dose not resolve tmomail.net so i cant send txt msg to my gf Jul 26 21:03:43 i thougt that by using a dns server that did i would change the problem Jul 26 21:05:33 how can i verify what dns server im using Jul 26 21:05:49 cosmo what does your /etc/resolve.conf say? Jul 26 21:06:54 aCiDBaSe: there? Jul 26 21:06:54 <_Monkey> there is some app that is drawing a lot of power Jul 26 21:07:05 127.0.0.1 Jul 26 21:07:23 hmm Jul 26 21:07:27 yes Jul 26 21:07:32 where is the dns info held? Jul 26 21:07:45 i'll go to bed, good luck Jul 26 21:08:01 k take it easy Jul 26 21:08:04 aCiDBaSe: so i'm going to try getting my new python packages to understand the compressed stuff Jul 26 21:08:29 aCiDBaSe: is 04-import.patch the right patch? Jul 26 21:08:31 whats the recipient not found on server about Jul 26 21:08:45 at home there is no problem sending mail Jul 26 21:09:07 from work it tells me "ecipient not found on server" Jul 26 21:09:33 robtaylor: yes... this patch modify the behavior of the python standard import hook... Jul 26 21:09:48 cool, i'll try pulling it in and see what happens Jul 26 21:11:32 robtaylor: you can take a look at this thread in python-dev: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-November/057959.html Jul 26 21:11:41 aCiDBaSe: cool, thanks :) Jul 26 21:12:19 where is the dns information stored on the 770 mistrasl Jul 26 21:13:04 robtaylor: a quick summary: I'm introducing a "bug" of zipimport hook in standard import hook. Jul 26 21:18:12 aCiDBaSe: yep, figure that much Jul 26 21:18:21 aCiDBaSe: what's the plan going forward? Jul 26 21:20:47 robtaylor: I don't know :/ I'm thinking about stop zip the python modules and start to use python-{support,central}... Jul 26 21:29:30 aCiDBaSe: its all a bit hard really :/ Jul 26 21:30:24 aCiDBaSe: i guess you don't want to distribute python source, and thats quite at odds with teh current debian scheme, i think Jul 26 21:30:29 :/ Jul 26 21:32:35 yes, this is a big problem (I don't like the idea of bytecompiling python modules during installation too) Jul 26 21:33:25 I think that we need to take a look into python-{support,central} and suggest some changes... Jul 26 21:34:14 aCiDBaSe: yeah, this'll take some discussion with the debian guys.. shame we missed debconf :) Jul 26 21:34:27 :) Jul 26 21:34:36 I wonder... Jul 26 21:35:03 hmm Jul 26 21:35:56 nope,can't think of a good way to do it Jul 26 21:36:41 aCiDBaSe: so, at the moment, with python2.5-runtime etc, you don't actually distribute the source, right? Jul 26 21:37:08 right... only the .pyo/.so files... Jul 26 21:37:30 and .pyc/py in *-dev packages... Jul 26 21:37:59 which makes sense Jul 26 21:39:07 aCiDBaSe: the optimised builds are dependant on a particular version of theinterpreter, right? Jul 26 21:40:32 aCiDBaSe: thats the main problem for debian guys (and for us for some degree) Jul 26 21:41:02 aCiDBaSe: cos just installing the pyo would break if you upgraded python, right? Jul 26 21:42:18 robtaylor: nopz... the difference between pyc and pyo files are: pyo doesn't include the assertions and docstrings... Jul 26 21:42:52 aCiDBaSe: so a pyo should be readable by all 2.5.x? Jul 26 21:42:59 same, pyc Jul 26 21:43:23 yes... even the pyo/pyc from 2.4.x Jul 26 21:44:57 hmm, but debian byte-compiles the sources into sperate dirs for python2.5/2.4/2.3/2.6... Jul 26 21:45:35 yes... because we can have changes in modules for one version of python to other... Jul 26 21:46:03 mm Jul 26 21:47:53 ick, the only way to do this is to have a completely different set of packaging to debian :( Jul 26 21:48:40 I guess we could have a clever tool that generates python2.5-foo from python-foo that provides python-foo Jul 26 21:48:49 but thats a bit ick Jul 26 21:50:45 yes... we've to make a big change in the current build system *and* some changes in python-{support,central} to make this packages good for devices with constraints of disk space and CPU... Jul 26 21:50:59 yep Jul 26 21:51:13 well you don;t even really want python-central on small disk space Jul 26 21:52:05 we'll do that but we need a good plan to make this happen before start the job... Jul 26 21:54:39 aCiDBaSe: i think this is worth chatting with the ubuntuites about Jul 26 21:55:19 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MaemoPackagingCleanup Jul 26 22:03:35 robtaylor: cool... they are planning to use python-central (preferably) Jul 26 22:03:49 yep Jul 26 22:04:02 they want to have standard packaging like on debian Jul 26 22:04:10 but they havn't realised the downside Jul 26 22:04:38 yes... they will find the "problems" :) Jul 26 22:06:19 but I think we need work together with Ubuntu guys and make the suggestions to change the python-central to accomplish our needs to them... Jul 26 22:07:16 yeah Jul 26 22:07:23 create some system that enable us to bytecompile the python modules during package building (instead of during the installation) and distribute only the bytecode version of the modules... Jul 26 22:07:23 i can;t see a good solution yet though Jul 26 22:08:05 the problem with that is it means everyone needs to have the old problem Jul 26 22:08:27 of having python2.4-foo and 2.5-foo in their debian/control Jul 26 22:08:41 i don;t think we could pursaude people to go back to that Jul 26 22:09:27 yes... you are right... Jul 26 22:12:08 maybe there's a way to get dh_genchages to add packages not in control Jul 26 22:13:31 ah, oh, its dpkg-genchanges, of course Jul 26 22:13:46 so it just carea sbout having a correctly unpacked tree to add Jul 26 22:13:57 mm Jul 26 22:14:54 it might be possible to have make a script that automaticlaly generates byte-compliled variations which provide the original Jul 26 22:15:15 amke make that done by sh_pycentral Jul 26 22:20:40 wtf is up with maemo.org Jul 26 22:20:47 damn thing keeps going down all day Jul 26 22:21:42 maemo.org is ok here, but garage.maemo.org is down (and has been down for several hours) Jul 26 22:23:08 where is here im in los angeles Jul 26 22:24:32 roundeye: sorry for not specifying :) i'm in London, UK Jul 26 22:25:16 garage seems dead from IT as well Jul 26 22:26:42 from here too Jul 26 22:26:43 suck Jul 26 22:28:45 garage responds intermittently for me. Jul 26 22:28:51 Or at least it did as of a few hours ago. Jul 26 22:28:59 If you wait a _really_ long time, a page shows up. Jul 26 22:31:13 aCiDBaSe: damn, just putting in the import patch doesnt help :/ Jul 26 22:37:13 omfg Jul 26 22:37:19 i give up... Jul 26 22:37:26 i'm goind bsd Jul 26 22:47:51 How much of a pain is it to port an app to work with maemo? Lincity, I'm looking at you... Jul 26 22:49:37 joshin: depends on the app Jul 26 22:49:43 aCiDBaSe: ah, my bad, patch didn't apply Jul 26 22:50:07 fro1: Ok, that tells me that it is going to suck for all definitions of the word suck. :) Jul 26 22:51:54 greetings Jul 26 23:08:07 fro1: basic stuff is probably easy Jul 26 23:08:16 fro1: the hard part is usually the user interface Jul 26 23:08:33 because, while it might work just out of the box (well, it's linux, gtk and X11 anyway..) Jul 26 23:08:49 what matters is the user scenario is a lot different on a handheld device Jul 26 23:09:02 so the ui should be re-thought for touchscreen, mostly finger-use Jul 26 23:09:07 this is harder to do Jul 26 23:09:11 and takes effort Jul 26 23:09:34 I know Jul 26 23:09:48 joshin: tigert has been a lot more exhaustive than me Jul 26 23:10:14 oh heh, and I nicely mixed the person I talked to Jul 26 23:10:22 anyway, this was naturally meant for joshin Jul 26 23:10:34 Thanks. I was just looking at LinCity and thinking of how neat that would be on the 770/800 Jul 26 23:12:14 yeah Jul 26 23:12:35 then again the touchscreen ui can actually make very interesting input possibilities for games and other apps Jul 26 23:12:40 because you can poke things directly Jul 26 23:37:21 anyone gotten an nx client working with the n800? Jul 26 23:39:28 Luria: http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/02/18/nx-and-the-nokia-770 Jul 26 23:39:46 yeah, i read that Jul 26 23:39:54 but its almost 6month old Jul 26 23:40:01 That's all I know I'm afraid. Jul 26 23:40:04 k, thanks Jul 26 23:46:15 any one konw where i can get some dns tools Jul 26 23:46:19 for mistral Jul 26 23:57:56 i complain about the dpad constantly - it is horrible for games and fast movement - but is is well designed for slow clicks through menus Jul 26 23:58:06 we should give the designers some respect Jul 26 23:59:53 I basically want to use the d-pad for one thing: scrolling around web pages. Jul 26 23:59:58 For that, it is horrible. Jul 27 00:00:27 ah Jul 27 00:00:44 it clicks up and down Jul 27 00:00:49 what is the problem? Jul 27 00:00:49 <_Monkey> the problem is probably when I try to save the javascript as bookmark, the script is too long and gets truncated so it won't work on the default opera browser in N770 Jul 27 00:01:09 _Monkey: forget "the problem" Jul 27 00:01:10 <_Monkey> pupnik, I didn't have anything matching "the problem" Jul 27 00:01:15 pupnik: Well, part of that is the browser's fault more than the d-pad's. Jul 27 00:01:17 _Monkey: forget "he problem Jul 27 00:01:18 <_Monkey> pupnik, I didn't have anything matching "he problem Jul 27 00:01:22 In that clicking up and down doesn't scroll. Jul 27 00:01:29 It jumps between links. Jul 27 00:01:39 You have to hold it down to scroll. Jul 27 00:01:41 forget problem Jul 27 00:01:42 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot problem Jul 27 00:01:48 ok Jul 27 00:01:55 And then it scrolls way too fast. Jul 27 00:02:37 derf do you think the people complaining about acmonitor battery life degradation are hallucinating? Jul 27 00:02:45 i'm considering running some tests Jul 27 00:02:50 Please do. Jul 27 00:03:53 i'm the drunkest person in this channel. anybody can set up a cronjob to echo times to a text file and see how long a battery takes to die Jul 27 00:07:12 ok Jul 27 00:07:34 where do you put the super tux data after install of supertux,deb Jul 27 00:07:39 Actually, reviewing the code, it looks like it will continue to ping the network once a minute if it was connected when you unplugged it (until it's disconnected). Jul 27 00:08:05 But I wouldn't think once a minute would drastically affect battery life. Jul 27 00:51:47 g'night fellas Jul 27 00:53:10 huh Jul 27 00:53:26 NeoStrider, did ya get smw going? Jul 27 00:53:48 didnt tried it Jul 27 00:53:50 yet Jul 27 00:53:59 just got into my computer Jul 27 00:54:04 im checkin out the svn Jul 27 00:54:39 is the garage website dead? Jul 27 00:54:51 ok...now I finally got it Jul 27 00:55:01 but im trying since this day morning Jul 27 00:55:09 (here is 21:55 PM) Jul 27 00:55:30 not sure whats going on with maemo.. Jul 27 00:55:42 probably maintainance.. Jul 27 00:56:23 I dunno Jul 27 00:56:52 maemo not loading for me here Jul 27 00:57:12 wow Jul 27 00:57:18 where are you from? Jul 27 00:58:10 im on SMW website...its like jumps and bumps?! Jul 27 00:59:08 anyone willing to try my game? Jul 27 00:59:37 maemo.org working for you Jul 27 01:00:11 everything is up here Jul 27 01:33:51 lies mal die sachen über augenlaserbehandlung, laut http://www.lasikreport.de/augenlaserbehandlung kann lasik das gut behandeln Jul 27 01:34:56 just tried smw Jul 27 01:34:58 IT ROCKS! Jul 27 02:40:42 anyone here knowing who's in charge of maemo.org? Jul 27 02:41:05 good question Jul 27 02:41:10 I guess is it ferenc? Jul 27 02:41:19 i'd like to mirror the actual website and wiki as it's freaking slow but i really don't know who to contact Jul 27 02:41:57 only thing the website says is, that it's sponsored by nokia Jul 27 02:42:42 well..the website seem to be a bit unstable these couple days Jul 27 02:42:53 today the garage was unacessible to me Jul 27 02:42:58 and the SVN still is Jul 27 02:43:23 seems like it's hosted somewhere in finland Jul 27 02:43:47 the responsibility's just horrible Jul 27 02:44:10 err, availability Jul 27 02:45:06 well...nokia is a finish company... Jul 27 02:45:12 finnish Jul 27 02:45:19 (finish or finnish?) Jul 27 02:45:37 Finland, but finnish Jul 27 02:45:42 but about availability, its temporary Jul 27 02:45:49 temporary? Jul 27 02:46:12 it has been like that since i purchased my n800 in may Jul 27 02:46:13 I hope so Jul 27 02:46:23 what website are you browsing? Jul 27 02:46:25 where are you zakx? Jul 27 02:46:28 maemo.org Jul 27 02:46:29 <_Monkey> maemo.org is ok here, but garage.maemo.org is down (and has been down for several hours) Jul 27 02:46:33 i'm sitting in germany Jul 27 02:46:34 it's not the fastest thing ever Jul 27 02:46:40 yeah, i know Jul 27 02:46:44 but it's fairly responsive Jul 27 02:46:46 and I'm in the US Jul 27 02:47:01 i hate waiting around 120 secords for 3KB Jul 27 02:47:06 strange Jul 27 02:47:17 Im in Brazil (POTS!) and I still can browse it Jul 27 02:47:27 indeed my project is hosted on the garage Jul 27 02:47:30 its quite fast Jul 27 02:47:40 I downloaded the intire SDK from there Jul 27 02:47:56 the repository's fast here too Jul 27 02:48:04 but the main web site isn't Jul 27 02:48:26 everything here is fast, when its working **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 27 02:59:56 2007