**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 29 02:59:56 2007 Jul 29 03:02:39 angstron? Jul 29 03:02:39 <_Monkey> i guess angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 29 03:03:11 thank you _Monkey Jul 29 03:03:15 btw, _monkey now accepts private chats for personal tuition etc. Jul 29 03:03:28 good to know =-D Jul 29 03:11:40 which is suggested the most? openssh or dropbear? Jul 29 03:11:51 openssh by me! :) Jul 29 03:12:19 (I might write a tutorial for this) Jul 29 03:12:25 i'd like to see dropbear got rid of... there's really little need for two applications performing the same task Jul 29 03:12:42 i find openssh the easier to install and use Jul 29 03:12:54 milhouse, exactly, I will go with openssh because of its stable and I have never used dropbear Jul 29 03:12:57 also it includes more functionality than dropbear Jul 29 03:13:06 milhouse, thank you for your input Jul 29 03:13:16 i used dropbear a long time ago, and found it more troublesome to install than openssh Jul 29 03:13:19 np Jul 29 03:13:36 milhouse...im filling _Monkey with funny stuff =-P Jul 29 03:13:47 nothing rude! :) Jul 29 03:14:12 not at all Jul 29 03:14:19 is _Monkey a bot? Jul 29 03:14:31 he is Jul 29 03:14:32 yeah Jul 29 03:14:38 yow Jul 29 03:14:41 I never saw a monkey as a bot (: Jul 29 03:14:42 _Monkey, who is NeoStrider? Jul 29 03:14:42 <_Monkey> NeoStrider is daft as a brush Jul 29 03:14:51 =-P Jul 29 03:15:00 _monkey be zippy Jul 29 03:15:00 <_Monkey> PIZZA!! Jul 29 03:15:08 _monkey be zippy Jul 29 03:15:08 <_Monkey> Either CONFESS now or we go to "PEOPLE'S COURT"!! Jul 29 03:15:23 I think _monkey is daft as a brush... Jul 29 03:15:39 _Monkey==NeoStrider ? Jul 29 03:15:50 _monkey be zippy Jul 29 03:15:50 <_Monkey> First, I'm going to give you all the ANSWERS to today's test ... So just plug in your SONY WALKMANS and relax!! Jul 29 03:16:11 _Monkey, you use Windows? Jul 29 03:16:12 <_Monkey> i don't know, neostrider Jul 29 03:16:13 some random quote thing... a bit hit & miss (mostly miss) Jul 29 03:17:50 heh Jul 29 03:17:52 what can he learn? Jul 29 03:18:17 well I am happy that IT2006/IT2007 is based on debian Jul 29 03:18:28 so far ARM arch debs have been flawless installs Jul 29 03:18:39 it seems to be a very good and strong community (: Jul 29 03:18:41 neostrider: anything... you teach him factoids Jul 29 03:18:56 _Monkey, OpenMoko is better than pizza and bananas Jul 29 03:18:56 <_Monkey> ...but openmoko is NeoStrider's phone of choice =-).. Jul 29 03:18:57 what interesting things have you installed from debian-arm? Jul 29 03:19:10 i cant help laughing Jul 29 03:19:24 I acidentally said this before on the channel Jul 29 03:19:43 neostrider - start a private chat with _monkey and type "help" Jul 29 03:24:05 * pupnik is playing a new, awesome RPG on 770 :P Jul 29 03:24:33 pupnik, which one? Jul 29 03:24:46 it's a sekrit! Jul 29 03:24:52 awesome Jul 29 03:25:17 pupnik, I have only done the basics, ncurses, xterm, xchat, becomeroot, openssh, etc etc Jul 29 03:25:37 you can install a debian-arm xchat and it works? Jul 29 03:26:36 pupnik, yep Jul 29 03:26:46 like a charm Jul 29 03:26:53 I got it off maemo.org Jul 29 03:26:59 way cool Jul 29 03:27:12 oh that's not debian-arm then, but a maemo build Jul 29 03:27:13 pupnik, its nice, I like irssi but xchat is easier on my eyes on this small screen Jul 29 03:27:25 pupnik, well is based on debian Jul 29 03:31:46 you've had enough coffee when you skin starts to crawl Jul 29 03:31:55 what are yinz favorite ARM word processor? Jul 29 03:32:03 pupnik, been there done that, then regretted it heh Jul 29 03:33:03 there's ongoing work on Abiword, can't think of anything else Jul 29 03:34:49 Maemopad == abiword? Jul 29 03:35:01 no maemopad is like notepad Jul 29 03:35:18 pupnik, I was hoping abiword, its light weight Jul 29 03:35:21 what is the maemo name for abiword? Jul 29 03:35:31 i know the port has a diferent name Jul 29 03:35:39 is it wise to change the user password? I already changed the root password Jul 29 03:35:46 "different" or diferent"? Jul 29 03:35:59 s/diferent"/"diferent"/ Jul 29 03:36:00 NeoStrider meant: "different" or "diferent"? Jul 29 03:36:01 different Jul 29 03:36:05 thanks Jul 29 03:36:16 my native language is portuguese =-) Jul 29 03:36:21 english is a horrible language (: Jul 29 03:36:30 not actually Jul 29 03:36:33 is quite simple Jul 29 03:36:39 and it has its beauty Jul 29 03:36:52 its good for lame poets like me Jul 29 03:36:59 beauty haha, I think portuguese and spanish are beautiful (I took 4 years spanish) Jul 29 03:37:32 have yinz changed your user passwd? Jul 29 03:37:47 i changed user password without problems Jul 29 03:38:53 ok Jul 29 03:39:16 I took 4 years of spanish in school too Jul 29 03:39:25 I was quite good, but now I forgot everything Jul 29 03:40:49 NeoStrider, its hard to keep up on what you learned, I barely remember the verbs Jul 29 03:40:51 Portuguese from portugal is the most beutiful language I know Jul 29 03:41:07 brazillian portuguese is nice...at best Jul 29 03:41:13 NeoStrider, it is beautiful, the accent, the women,... oh shut up erstazi you are married! Jul 29 03:41:26 sure...I live near the sea...far from any other country Jul 29 03:41:31 hahahah Jul 29 03:41:55 the gals are nice...sure...but not what every thinks Jul 29 03:42:12 NeoStrider, of course, that goes with everywhere Jul 29 03:42:14 (: Jul 29 03:42:16 (at least to me...maybe gals from other places are worst heheh) Jul 29 03:43:38 NeoStrider, sometimes, the women here in my state (Pennsylvania) are hideous sometimes, but people from other areas come and drool over them... I feel like slapping them Jul 29 03:43:50 hahhaha Jul 29 03:44:01 it depends of your taste for women Jul 29 03:44:15 i have a very european taste Jul 29 03:44:16 exactly Jul 29 03:44:23 not "blondes" and stuff Jul 29 03:44:36 but the mignon, skinny , whity nerdy women =-P Jul 29 03:45:08 specially the ones with spannish blood Jul 29 03:45:18 heh Jul 29 03:45:21 and portuguese too Jul 29 03:45:35 (my blood is mostly portuguese anyway) Jul 29 03:45:50 NeoStrider, would you say that the internet tablets have good portuguese translations? Jul 29 03:46:35 for Brazillian people, I would say so Jul 29 03:46:48 ah Jul 29 03:46:52 but for portugal, I wonder how good it could be Jul 29 03:47:02 funny is that the tablets are not available here Jul 29 03:47:10 what bothering to translate it? Jul 29 03:47:22 I use mine in english, for concistency Jul 29 03:47:32 but I have used it in portuguese in the past Jul 29 03:48:22 I used to be part of a game development community here Jul 29 03:48:32 we had this great .br website Jul 29 03:48:46 and some portugal people indeed were among us Jul 29 03:48:55 they where great contributors Jul 29 03:49:04 I had a good friend in there Jul 29 03:49:09 he was good with SDL Jul 29 03:49:18 but we had several language clashes Jul 29 03:50:13 NeoStrider, how different is Brasilian Portuguese and Portuguese? Jul 29 03:50:32 more than british to american indeed Jul 29 03:50:36 are the differences like American English and British English Jul 29 03:50:48 ok Jul 29 03:50:55 I would say its like australian or irish english to american... Jul 29 03:51:22 but african portuguese to brazillian is more like british to american Jul 29 03:51:23 ok Jul 29 03:51:29 yeah Jul 29 03:51:55 I see,... etymology has always interested me, maybe I need to start studying the romance roots more (: Jul 29 03:52:02 me too Jul 29 03:52:19 I love going to wikipedia and read about the origin of the nations and languages Jul 29 03:52:43 there is a kind of portuguese that is so close to spanish that I had major dificulties to read "don quixote" written on this Jul 29 03:52:52 its where portuguese emerged Jul 29 03:52:56 galicia Jul 29 03:52:58 same here, I use to read encyclopedias all the time Jul 29 03:53:34 NeoStrider, have you studied the history of Portugal pre-roman? Jul 29 03:53:39 some Jul 29 03:53:52 even post-roman is very interesting as well Jul 29 03:53:54 mostly trying to understand the origin of the basque country Jul 29 03:54:07 the goth presence on spain Jul 29 03:54:18 the connection of the latin culture Jul 29 03:54:33 and its diferences from the anglo-saxan culture Jul 29 03:54:59 (btw, you guys know about the pan-american games?) Jul 29 03:55:09 NeoStrider, yes Jul 29 03:55:24 but there is media converage? Jul 29 03:55:36 NeoStrider, ESPN sometimes, it depends Jul 29 03:55:50 there was a volley game some hours ago Jul 29 03:55:53 USA x Brazil Jul 29 03:55:56 we won the gold Jul 29 03:56:05 NeoStrider, anglo-saxon culture is limited, most of that culture was faded away by Vikings and Normans (male lineage of the Normans are vikings) Jul 29 03:56:25 NeoStrider, congratulations (: Jul 29 03:56:28 =-) Jul 29 03:57:11 ssh is great (: Jul 29 03:57:15 I can install faster Jul 29 03:57:17 how diferent is the canada culture to the american culture? Jul 29 03:57:29 ssh'ing to the maemo box? Jul 29 03:57:31 Canada is more rural Jul 29 03:57:36 NeoStrider, yes Jul 29 03:58:22 canada is much more connected to the old empire...they still have the queen...right? Jul 29 03:58:25 most Canadians are very nice... I live close to the border, so I meet a lot of Canadians Jul 29 03:58:38 but language is diferent? Jul 29 03:58:40 NeoStrider, they are still under the monarchy of the UK Jul 29 03:58:51 NeoStrider, only small amounts of words are different Jul 29 03:59:01 color or colour? =-P Jul 29 03:59:03 but their accent is close to the North (of the USA) Jul 29 03:59:33 NeoStrider, that is sometimes... they pronounce some things different like "about" is pronounced "ah-boot" sometimes Jul 29 03:59:45 hahahha funny Jul 29 04:00:02 I noticed there is no canadians around #maemo...ever Jul 29 04:00:07 strange... Jul 29 04:00:11 NeoStrider, the differences are very small to even be noticed by a non-native speaker Jul 29 04:00:17 maybe they are more into winmo =-P Jul 29 04:00:39 actually, I know many Canadians that are GNU/Linux enthusiasts Jul 29 04:01:07 and how good is the aceptance to embedded linux in america? Jul 29 04:01:32 canada is mind-numbingly boring :) Jul 29 04:01:36 NeoStrider, its starting to change Jul 29 04:01:41 pupnik, are you from Canada? Jul 29 04:02:01 no i drove from montreal to ottowa once though Jul 29 04:02:09 pupnik, sorry to hear that (: heh Jul 29 04:02:10 at least they have nice girls who sing =-P Jul 29 04:02:22 oh i like canada. and both cities are beautiful imo Jul 29 04:02:23 shania twain Jul 29 04:02:35 sometimes, I dislike country music and most female canadian artists are country music singers Jul 29 04:02:47 pupnik, a lot of small towns, *a lot* Jul 29 04:02:51 im not saying about their music...only the women Jul 29 04:02:52 =-P Jul 29 04:03:02 im listening to gary numan,for god's sake =-P Jul 29 04:03:06 NeoStrider, of course, she is very beautiful Jul 29 04:03:32 celine dion =-o~ Jul 29 04:03:36 btw for the 100 useless lurkers here, would one of you please figure out a way to pop-up and hide matchbox-keyboard or xkbd? *thanks*! Jul 29 04:03:54 pupnik, direct to the point! Jul 29 04:04:30 pupnik, heh, you must be american Jul 29 04:04:31 NeoStrider: it's not too bad, since it can be done from the application Jul 29 04:04:35 what state are you located? Jul 29 04:04:51 celine dion can sing (and she is not country) Jul 29 04:04:56 very excellent singer Jul 29 04:05:02 pupnik, here enters DBUS! =-) Jul 29 04:05:11 celine dion can kill... Jul 29 04:05:15 or boredom =-P Jul 29 04:06:05 if someone who understands dbus can do it, i will be happy. if i have to do it myself i will do it without dbus or hildon Jul 29 04:06:14 is it http://repository.maemo.org user/non-free or http://repository.maemo.org *something else*/non-free Jul 29 04:06:21 you dont have to deal with *dbus* Jul 29 04:06:28 you can always use libshadow Jul 29 04:06:42 what is this libshadow? Jul 29 04:07:07 its a glueware to make SDL apps talk to dbus easier Jul 29 04:07:16 maemo-games-startup use it Jul 29 04:10:24 pupnik...c'mon...how hard is to make a vkbd in SDL? Jul 29 04:11:27 once you have a click-area-handler, you just have to check when ever the vkbd was evoked, and when evoked, if any tap is still on its area...if its the case, iterate through the keys Jul 29 04:11:50 it doesnt need to handle caps or other symbols...games dont usually have them Jul 29 04:12:10 I dislike how xterm doesn't let you backspace Jul 29 04:12:36 true NeoStrider Jul 29 04:12:36 how come? Jul 29 04:12:54 i just backspaced on my trusty 770 Jul 29 04:13:06 busybox v1.01 Jul 29 04:13:13 osso-x-terminal Jul 29 04:13:45 NeoStrider, busybox? Jul 29 04:13:51 yeah Jul 29 04:13:58 I have an 770 with osso-x-terminal Jul 29 04:14:10 black or white background? Jul 29 04:14:17 white Jul 29 04:14:22 its the old Jul 29 04:14:28 it had some issues Jul 29 04:14:37 the black one, newer, its waaaay beter Jul 29 04:14:40 better Jul 29 04:14:46 you have the one with the unreadable courier font? Jul 29 04:14:49 so I should get the advanced one with colors Jul 29 04:15:01 pupnik, yes, I will remove it and add the newer one Jul 29 04:15:03 I dont know if mine support colors Jul 29 04:15:08 but its a complete terminal Jul 29 04:15:45 BusyBox v1.01 (Debian 3:1.01-4.osso12) Built-in shell (ash) Jul 29 04:16:05 busybox is a common component of maemo Jul 29 04:16:11 osso-x-terminal just interfaces it Jul 29 04:16:21 ok Jul 29 04:16:24 just like gnome-terminal or xterminal would do it Jul 29 04:16:46 NeoStrider: there are two programs, links2 and cow, that don't use sdl, for which i also want keyboard Jul 29 04:16:50 checkout busybox...it has some handy tools builtin Jul 29 04:16:54 but otherwise an internal sdl-vkbd would be ok Jul 29 04:17:13 links2, you mean that fb version? Jul 29 04:17:38 the browser, it's xlib based i think Jul 29 04:17:55 cool!!!! Jul 29 04:18:01 they ported it! Jul 29 04:18:07 links rocks! Jul 29 04:18:19 http://pupnik.de/links2.html Jul 29 04:19:36 nice pupnik Jul 29 04:19:43 I will use that instead of links Jul 29 04:19:58 I was hoping for a lynx version so I could just scroll through with the selector on the left Jul 29 04:20:03 but I haven't looked yet Jul 29 04:20:13 still...you wont be using elinks for dandy stuff Jul 29 04:20:35 for everything else, a case-insensitive vkbd would do the tirck Jul 29 04:20:43 s/tirck/trick/ Jul 29 04:20:44 NeoStrider meant: for everything else, a case-insensitive vkbd would do the trick Jul 29 04:23:43 3D programming ,sometimes, sucks... Jul 29 04:23:57 my portals are jamming Jul 29 04:24:59 you guys mean osso-xterm 0.13.mh19? Jul 29 04:25:11 angstron currently has 4 levels...I cant design anything better than those otherwise it would look buggy with the current render Jul 29 04:25:19 idont really know Jul 29 04:25:28 I have this for such a long time... Jul 29 04:25:30 let me check Jul 29 04:26:17 NeoStrider, thank you for checking (: Jul 29 04:26:41 0.13.mh24 Jul 29 04:26:54 24 in brazil means "fag" Jul 29 04:26:55 =-P Jul 29 04:27:23 anything 24 related is followed with mockery Jul 29 04:27:31 heh Jul 29 04:28:22 osso-xterm 0.13.mh19 is very nice Jul 29 04:28:28 much better Jul 29 04:28:28 most stuff on my Application manager has version like 0.X Jul 29 04:28:50 whats wrong with these OS/FS ppl? Jul 29 04:29:19 NeoStrider, alpha/betas heh Jul 29 04:30:18 why having versions then? Jul 29 04:30:29 linus has some random jumps now and then Jul 29 04:30:43 names like "bora" and "mistral" makes much more sense Jul 29 04:30:47 or OS2005 Jul 29 04:30:56 why not? GaimJune2003? Jul 29 04:32:01 heh Jul 29 04:32:09 gaim is gone Jul 29 04:32:22 I think pidgin is I don't know, blah Jul 29 04:32:25 not only stablishes a commitment of releasing stable monthly releases Jul 29 04:32:28 yes Jul 29 04:32:31 pidgin Jul 29 04:32:31 <_Monkey> pidgin is, like, I don't know, blah Jul 29 04:32:35 much coller icon, indeed Jul 29 04:32:52 _Monkey, pidgin is actually good Jul 29 04:32:53 <_Monkey> ...but pidgin is I don't know, blah... Jul 29 04:32:53 ooh need to see that Jul 29 04:32:54 (=-P) Jul 29 04:33:01 I never liked the gaim icon Jul 29 04:33:06 yeah, me too Jul 29 04:33:18 too...I don't know, blah... Jul 29 04:34:18 the new icon is a purple pidgeon Jul 29 04:34:24 very nice indeed Jul 29 04:34:56 cool :D Jul 29 04:35:00 I see it now Jul 29 04:35:18 nicely done indeed Jul 29 04:35:39 OS/FS need better icons like that Jul 29 04:35:50 NeoStrider, agreed Jul 29 04:36:07 who was asking about an RPG? http://pupnik.de/sekrit3.jpg Jul 29 04:36:35 betrayal at !!! Jul 29 04:36:44 ding! Jul 29 04:36:52 should be doable also Jul 29 04:37:19 I would love to port Marathon 2 Jul 29 04:37:29 but it would have lots of usability issues Jul 29 04:37:41 pupnik, I was thank you for adding that screen shot to your site Jul 29 04:37:42 was that an apple game like doom? Jul 29 04:38:22 erstazi: you should check out http://pupnik.de/exult770.html if you like oldschool RPGs Jul 29 04:38:40 well yeah the quality of the graphics in OS has increased a lot last few years, seems distributions like ubuntu are going really for looks Jul 29 04:38:52 pupnik, I might RS-MMC is very inexpensive Jul 29 04:39:22 I have all the eye candy on, including wobbly windows Jul 29 04:39:22 I agree, from the early days of slackware to ubuntu, graphics have taken a turn Jul 29 04:39:27 yes pupnik Jul 29 04:39:29 wumpus, KDE? Jul 29 04:39:39 but is much mure like...hum...hexen Jul 29 04:39:44 ubuntu (gnome) Jul 29 04:39:49 but with futuristic theme Jul 29 04:40:01 wumpus, I use both ubuntu and kubuntu. Jul 29 04:40:16 I like XFCE for older computers but I don't use them, kids do, so xubuntu as well Jul 29 04:40:18 KDE is so...I don't know, blah ... Jul 29 04:40:21 with the how is it called, xrender based window manager Jul 29 04:40:30 NeoStrider, it is, its very graphical and I dislike that Jul 29 04:40:41 i use gnome Jul 29 04:40:44 it rocks Jul 29 04:40:50 I use GNOME primarily Jul 29 04:40:54 but I also like blackbox and window maker Jul 29 04:40:56 the kubuntu is on my wife's computer Jul 29 04:41:00 window maker = Brazillian \o/ Jul 29 04:41:06 (: Jul 29 04:41:34 NeoStrider, where in Brasil are you? Jul 29 04:41:49 unfortunatly, my machine is the only penguin-in-a-box here... Jul 29 04:41:57 Niterói,Rio de Janeiro Jul 29 04:42:01 nice Jul 29 04:42:16 I used window maker on my 486 in 1998 or so Jul 29 04:42:21 didn't know it even existed still :) Jul 29 04:42:34 (ofcourse there is my motorola cable modem and my dlink router ...and the 770) Jul 29 04:42:48 was my first experience with linux, under slackware Jul 29 04:42:54 same here Jul 29 04:42:58 my brother installed it Jul 29 04:43:00 mine was a slack boot disk...cli Jul 29 04:43:14 on a hd-less old 486 notebook Jul 29 04:43:17 then mandrake Jul 29 04:43:19 back in 2000 Jul 29 04:43:24 I hated kde back then Jul 29 04:43:27 hhahah Jul 29 04:43:30 i used to love kde Jul 29 04:43:34 but then again it sucked then Jul 29 04:43:41 back when I used "kurumin" (a knoppix based ) Jul 29 04:43:42 now it's really good, and gnome too Jul 29 04:43:53 I use CentOS on my server Jul 29 04:44:21 I sometimes put Damn Small Linux on older computers, it just works wonders.. so does Puppy Jul 29 04:44:32 i used DSL a lot recently Jul 29 04:44:35 I even remastered it Jul 29 04:44:39 oh yeah? Jul 29 04:44:40 <_Monkey> yeah is there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :) Jul 29 04:44:49 sure Jul 29 04:45:01 i even wrote a small tutorial on remastering (pt_Br) Jul 29 04:45:13 NeoStrider, what were the main points of remastering it? Jul 29 04:45:29 including some handy tools on the liveCD Jul 29 04:45:50 nice Jul 29 04:45:56 so if you're a sysadmin with very specific needs, you can always pop a Cd and you're ready to go Jul 29 04:46:04 on my case , was for a information kiosk Jul 29 04:46:09 exactly, I use the live cd all the time Jul 29 04:46:14 they had this SDL app and wanted only it to run Jul 29 04:46:17 mainly to test hardware configs Jul 29 04:46:18 and nothing else Jul 29 04:46:22 so I cleaned the house Jul 29 04:48:24 pupnik, are you Arnim right? Jul 29 04:48:29 thanks for the links2 Jul 29 04:48:56 real names here?! my eyes!!! my eyes are burning! Jul 29 04:49:02 ja Jul 29 04:49:35 heh Jul 29 04:49:43 * NeoStrider is now blind. bonus +2 on ears, +1 on spell casting Jul 29 04:51:56 are you using multiboot NeoStrider ? Jul 29 04:52:21 yeah Jul 29 04:52:29 dell gave a nice nice windows xp sp2 Jul 29 04:52:32 I am sorry, pupnik, did that offend you by using your name? Jul 29 04:52:35 im so thankful! Jul 29 04:52:51 no Jul 29 04:53:16 just tired Jul 29 04:53:38 2 AM here Jul 29 04:53:43 and for you guys? Jul 29 04:53:51 7 Jul 29 04:53:51 god save cout and the queen Jul 29 04:53:59 cout saved the day Jul 29 04:54:07 rendering improved Jul 29 04:54:15 7 AM? Jul 29 04:54:24 Sun Jul 29 06:50:45 CEST 2007 Jul 29 04:54:42 go to bed, naughty boy! Jul 29 04:55:08 (gosh...its cold here! 15° C!) Jul 29 04:55:14 its 0100 here Jul 29 04:55:28 100 F? Jul 29 04:55:34 1:00 am Jul 29 04:55:37 ahh Jul 29 04:55:38 =-P Jul 29 04:55:44 close Jul 29 04:55:46 it was 33c here Jul 29 04:55:54 and Brazil is hot =-P Jul 29 04:58:07 if you could choose a game...any game, to have on the 770/n800, what would it be? Jul 29 04:58:07 you know what's a bad typo? when you want to type rm -R usr and type rm -R /usr Jul 29 04:58:10 that's a bad typo Jul 29 04:58:17 hahahhahahaha Jul 29 04:58:18 realistic? Jul 29 04:58:24 no...ANY Jul 29 04:59:07 i managed to recover this pc without a /usr/bin or most of /usr/lib without rebooting/reinstalling though :P Jul 29 04:59:18 couldn't start any new processes :) Jul 29 04:59:45 how? Jul 29 05:00:30 but a terminal child process could be spawned? Jul 29 05:01:12 have a 2nd pc with same OS. set up a webserver - downloaded libs and bins needed for scp, then scp'd /usr/bin and lib over Jul 29 05:01:36 still finding some version mismatches but it's basically ok again Jul 29 05:01:56 ahhh Jul 29 05:02:07 'cp' is child process from the shell Jul 29 05:02:13 there is a fork() call Jul 29 05:02:18 and a exec Jul 29 05:03:06 but this is built in the kernel anyway Jul 29 05:03:25 if you couldnt do that, you would have a great ambient heater Jul 29 05:04:08 mhm Jul 29 05:04:55 btw...after playing smw for hours...my 770 was of great confort to heat up my belly =-) Jul 29 05:05:17 hahah Jul 29 05:05:19 AC baby! Jul 29 05:05:38 did unique311 get gltron running with mesaGL? Jul 29 05:05:45 dunno Jul 29 05:05:48 guess no Jul 29 05:06:00 that would be fun to see Jul 29 05:07:11 glxgears... :p Jul 29 05:07:21 not for me...I would end up in tears =-p Jul 29 05:07:30 bloody tears Jul 29 05:08:21 what do you think a straight compile of glxgears on mesa would run at on the 770? at default resolution? Jul 29 05:08:23 my 3D rendering system is my Bsc Thesis Jul 29 05:08:32 glxgears...yes Jul 29 05:08:56 add a single gear more and you will have something very confortable to heat your belly =-P Jul 29 05:09:15 my guess would be.... 3 fps Jul 29 05:09:39 I would guess 5 Jul 29 05:10:01 i dont know if it really uses z-buffering Jul 29 05:11:51 those old school open gl developers didnt relied so much on z-buffering Jul 29 05:12:12 damn bastartds stole my N770! Jul 29 05:12:13 hi SeRi Jul 29 05:12:16 hi Jul 29 05:12:19 no way! Jul 29 05:12:21 yes Jul 29 05:12:32 did you slit their throats? Jul 29 05:12:37 what?! Jul 29 05:12:40 bah mesa needs quilt Jul 29 05:12:54 I want it so bad but couldnt they where 2 slick Jul 29 05:12:56 how it happened, SeRi? Jul 29 05:13:00 sorry to hear it SeRi Jul 29 05:13:07 they took it off my new borns diper bag... Jul 29 05:13:08 where do you live, SeRi? Jul 29 05:13:15 US Jul 29 05:13:22 * NeoStrider had a N-Gage stolen too Jul 29 05:13:26 Houston, Texas Jul 29 05:13:45 TX...I wouldnt think of this happening in north america Jul 29 05:13:47 I think it was when we went to the park today Jul 29 05:14:13 Had too.... Thats the only time I wasent or any of us paying attention to the bags Jul 29 05:14:38 we where all having fun untill I got home Jul 29 05:14:47 bastards!!!!! Jul 29 05:15:04 die die die! I hope the battery gos bizerk and explodes in there hand Jul 29 05:15:28 relax...they will try selling it to a pimp as a cellphone Jul 29 05:15:30 they'll probably just fence it Jul 29 05:15:49 HAHAHAHAHA Jul 29 05:15:49 the pimp will then kill the f*ckers becouse the cellphone "is not working" Jul 29 05:15:57 LMAO Jul 29 05:16:03 Thanks for the laugh Jul 29 05:16:07 someone stole a p2 233 mhz laptop of mine Jul 29 05:16:16 :/ Jul 29 05:16:18 like they could do anything with something like that Jul 29 05:16:27 same for a 770 Jul 29 05:16:43 well sorta Jul 29 05:16:44 My 770 was for fun you know go arround istening to music and watch vids... N800 is for work Jul 29 05:16:46 they will push to the pimp as "de so call'd ePhony" Jul 29 05:16:58 LOL Jul 29 05:17:23 then the pimp will see the big nokia and cut "use the fingers" on the bandits Jul 29 05:17:53 hehehe I hope it all comes true Jul 29 05:18:08 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63863#post63863 Jul 29 05:18:11 someone estimated that around 100 billion dollars a year of goods are stolen in the US to pay for illegal drugs Jul 29 05:18:20 N800 in magazine article Jul 29 05:18:33 I wouldnt doubt it Jul 29 05:18:51 from outside, US seem to emerged in drugs Jul 29 05:18:58 pupnik, what do you suggest about synergy-maemo? Jul 29 05:19:00 its so "aceptable" by its culture Jul 29 05:19:04 its true? Jul 29 05:19:31 NeoStrider, to a point, urban areas are hit with cocaine and weed while rural areas are hit by meth Jul 29 05:19:33 I am not from the US I harly go out because of shit like this Jul 29 05:19:43 SeRi, where are you from? Jul 29 05:19:49 Caribean Jul 29 05:20:01 nice! Jul 29 05:20:16 finally someone with beachs better than mine Jul 29 05:20:16 yeap I am here because work :) Jul 29 05:20:25 lol Jul 29 05:20:26 SeRi, sorry that happened Jul 29 05:20:37 ahhh is c00l thanks... :) Jul 29 05:21:05 look SeRi Jul 29 05:21:13 NeoStrider where you from? Jul 29 05:21:19 now you have a reason to replace the 770 with a N800 for fun =-) Jul 29 05:21:24 Rio de Janeiro Jul 29 05:21:37 only the fact is N800's are $ Jul 29 05:21:38 ahhh nice!!! Now thats the spot! Jul 29 05:21:49 ;) Jul 29 05:22:04 yeah...but I live in make-belive-land Jul 29 05:22:16 Yes thats true but I am working on the wife on that :P Jul 29 05:22:38 oooo :/ Jul 29 05:22:50 indeed , there are no maemo core developers Jul 29 05:23:16 code just spawned out of pure creater's will and the tablets descended from the skies with a beam of light Jul 29 05:23:50 wOw 8) Jul 29 05:24:02 lol... Jul 29 05:24:19 I am getting tired Jul 29 05:24:30 ugh, no more svn tonight Jul 29 05:24:32 (yeah...me too...medicine taking effect) Jul 29 05:24:43 svn is a farway dream for me... Jul 29 05:24:54 too many commits in one hour Jul 29 05:24:55 i've been expeled from that country Jul 29 05:25:22 now its time for some good internet radio Jul 29 05:25:48 dirtboxradio if you like jungle Jul 29 05:26:35 I need some classic rock Jul 29 05:26:42 I almost hosed my n800 this week with the hostname bull shit Jul 29 05:26:53 virgin classic rock it your choice Jul 29 05:27:36 on a 770, does anyone remember what the default lock code is? Jul 29 05:27:48 0000 ? ? Jul 29 05:27:54 or 1234 Jul 29 05:27:54 tried that Jul 29 05:28:00 that was something I was trying to remember too Jul 29 05:28:06 when in doubt reflash it Jul 29 05:28:10 that also Jul 29 05:28:11 12345? Jul 29 05:28:32 yes! Jul 29 05:28:36 bingo milhouse Jul 29 05:28:49 milhouse++ Jul 29 05:29:08 * milhouse is now level 2* Jul 29 05:29:17 lol Jul 29 05:29:18 [29/07/2007 06:28:55] <_Monkey> please don't karma yourself <--- private chat from _Monkey, slapping my wrist :) Jul 29 05:29:25 milhouse, you are a god Jul 29 05:29:38 milhouse++ Jul 29 05:29:42 oh no - not a geek god! :) Jul 29 05:29:45 karma milhouse Jul 29 05:29:46 <_Monkey> milhouse has karma of 2 Jul 29 05:29:54 milhouse++ Jul 29 05:29:55 * milhouse is now level 2* Jul 29 05:30:02 milhouse++ Jul 29 05:30:11 karma milhouse Jul 29 05:30:11 :/ do we have a boot here? Jul 29 05:30:11 <_Monkey> milhouse has karma of 4 Jul 29 05:30:14 ok, now I can protect this beast from children! Jul 29 05:30:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Baldur%27s_Gate_Cloakwood_Forest_GemRB_0.2.4_Linux.png Jul 29 05:30:23 open-source baldur's gate engine (WIP) Jul 29 05:30:25 2 then 4... hmmm _monkey can you add? Jul 29 05:30:35 ah missed erstazi - cheers :) Jul 29 05:30:37 erstazi did it and i did it two Jul 29 05:30:52 monkey is a boot? Jul 29 05:30:58 yes, SeRi Jul 29 05:31:00 i did it becouse of the _Monkey existence =-) Jul 29 05:31:02 Baldur's Gate on the tablet. yum... Jul 29 05:31:39 milhouse summoned _Monkey on a great demonstration of wizardry 5ki11z Jul 29 05:31:41 _Monkey you stole my N770! Jul 29 05:31:41 <_Monkey> SeRi: i'm not following you... Jul 29 05:31:49 Yes you are! Jul 29 05:32:01 _Monkey Give it back! Jul 29 05:32:02 <_Monkey> SeRi: excuse me? Jul 29 05:32:13 WTF! _Monkey! Jul 29 05:32:14 _Monkey: dont pretend you dont know what we are talking about! Jul 29 05:32:14 <_Monkey> wish i knew, neostrider Jul 29 05:32:19 hahhaha Jul 29 05:32:35 _Monkey spit it out where is it! Jul 29 05:32:36 <_Monkey> bugger all, i dunno, seri Jul 29 05:32:52 _Monkey did you sell it to the pimp? Jul 29 05:32:53 <_Monkey> wish i knew, seri Jul 29 05:32:59 LOL Jul 29 05:33:01 This is fun Jul 29 05:33:21 _Monkey You where probably high than! Jul 29 05:33:22 <_Monkey> i haven't a clue, seri Jul 29 05:33:34 WTF _Monkey is that crack? Jul 29 05:33:37 he's cleary stoned! Jul 29 05:33:44 LOL Jul 29 05:33:47 s/cleary/clearly/ Jul 29 05:33:47 NeoStrider meant: he's clearly stoned! Jul 29 05:34:13 infobot is another bot? Jul 29 05:34:24 monkey (so it doesn't save it) must be a supybot Jul 29 05:34:35 _Monkey is a bastrad Jul 29 05:34:51 he did stoled it and sold it to the pimps Jul 29 05:35:22 now the pimps will fill _Monkey with bananas... Jul 29 05:35:26 _Monkey You there? Jul 29 05:35:26 <_Monkey> wish i knew, seri Jul 29 05:35:27 dynamite bananas Jul 29 05:35:37 LOL @ NeoStrider Jul 29 05:36:02 _Monkey how in the world u dont know where you are at? Jul 29 05:36:02 <_Monkey> seri: bugger all, i dunno Jul 29 05:36:27 damn d00d thats some good shit you smoked Jul 29 05:36:36 ok enough of that Jul 29 05:36:55 angstron radar fully funcional!!! Jul 29 05:36:57 back to configure Media Tomb Jul 29 05:37:15 I had it installed in my 770 :( Jul 29 05:37:21 gosh I love to be myself Jul 29 05:37:26 angstron? Jul 29 05:37:26 <_Monkey> angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 29 05:37:39 * NeoStrider is a karma whore Jul 29 05:38:25 yeap Jul 29 05:38:29 LOL Jul 29 05:38:37 if the 770 had angstron, sure the bastards will have a painful death Jul 29 05:38:38 karma Jul 29 05:38:57 the 770 must be already burnt Jul 29 05:39:04 Yes it did and you know was worst I only was able to play it once Jul 29 05:39:09 I installed it yesterday Jul 29 05:39:22 Now tell me how that bastard will die!? Jul 29 05:39:31 of boredom Jul 29 05:39:36 LOL Jul 29 05:39:48 the game is so slow they will fall asleep and forge to breathe and sufocate Jul 29 05:40:06 tell me your impressions, SeRi Jul 29 05:40:17 you can tell totally the truth ("bummer!") Jul 29 05:40:24 lol Jul 29 05:41:05 well is not that bad... Jul 29 05:41:14 c'mon Jul 29 05:41:18 you can do better than that Jul 29 05:41:23 It did kind of hogh my 770 but not that bad... Jul 29 05:41:24 "plain sucks" Jul 29 05:41:30 no no.... Jul 29 05:41:43 ;-P Jul 29 05:41:54 I can tell you Jul 29 05:41:59 It was c00l I like action games.... Jul 29 05:42:07 Racing etc.. Jul 29 05:42:14 I was playing a lot more smw than angstron in the last hours =-P Jul 29 05:42:15 I dont like that much of still games Jul 29 05:42:27 yeah...I was missing some action on the 770 too Jul 29 05:42:32 Doom is cool Jul 29 05:42:36 but I cant play that Jul 29 05:42:52 smooth , sure...but as smooth as seizures Jul 29 05:42:55 Man I had a blast with doom Jul 29 05:43:06 ooo ic sorry Jul 29 05:43:27 but I can understand how the controls went so bad Jul 29 05:43:35 I just open a project my self... But havent ben able to do shit Jul 29 05:43:42 yesterday , playing smw, I pressed the wrong keys several times Jul 29 05:43:53 what it is, SeRi? Jul 29 05:43:55 damn maemo keeps going down Jul 29 05:44:11 it is now what is meant for, right? Jul 29 05:44:15 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/insight-null/ Jul 29 05:44:22 I guess I saw it Jul 29 05:45:16 yeah Jul 29 05:45:22 i saw it yesterday Jul 29 05:45:26 .... nothing big Is what I will use to release all I have done since the bigining of my 770 Jul 29 05:45:32 but didnt quite get it Jul 29 05:45:47 for how long you had it? Jul 29 05:45:54 770? Jul 29 05:45:55 <_Monkey> 770 is so cheap right now. is there any reason to go for the 800 instead if all i'm doing is running the web browser only? Jul 29 05:46:24 I had the 770 since early 2006 Jul 29 05:46:37 probably the first production set Jul 29 05:46:50 mine too Jul 29 05:46:58 but it came with it2005 Jul 29 05:46:59 I was following it since post production :) just like I am with open moko Jul 29 05:47:08 yeah, me too Jul 29 05:47:15 :P Jul 29 05:47:18 I cant wait to put my hands on OpenMoko Jul 29 05:47:34 Man I am so excited about that! Jul 29 05:47:39 _Monkey: OpenMoko? Jul 29 05:47:39 <_Monkey> OpenMoko is, like, NeoStrider's phone of choice =-) Jul 29 05:47:47 even he knows abou tit Jul 29 05:47:52 LOL Jul 29 05:48:26 Is going to be awesome! My whole house runs linux right now... Jul 29 05:48:30 :D Jul 29 05:48:44 well media and pc wise Jul 29 05:48:50 * NeoStrider is jelous Jul 29 05:49:27 my family *HATES* linux Jul 29 05:49:38 I was keeping a win box becuase of upnp but I just found mediatomb Jul 29 05:49:53 Works very well with N800 Jul 29 05:52:19 Not that simple to set up but works Jul 29 05:52:27 I was having issues with uShare Jul 29 05:52:41 well my friends Jul 29 05:52:44 I had great time Jul 29 05:52:47 what are your guys favorite internet radio? Jul 29 05:52:49 NeoStrider why does your family hate nix? Jul 29 05:52:50 but I must go to bed now Jul 29 05:53:08 ok Neo have a G/N Jul 29 05:53:08 becouse "resistance is useless" Jul 29 05:53:08 night NeoStrider thanks for the talk Jul 29 05:53:15 ahhhh Jul 29 05:53:18 ur welcome Jul 29 05:53:21 yea same here thanks Jul 29 05:53:38 gn all Jul 29 05:53:42 well i'm off Jul 29 05:53:51 cya Jul 29 05:53:53 g/n! Jul 29 05:54:15 dirtboxradio and shoutcast Jul 29 05:54:31 SeRi, thank you Jul 29 05:54:50 n/p Jul 29 06:01:07 ok g/n guys Jul 29 08:25:56 Morning, al Jul 29 08:25:57 +l Jul 29 08:29:09 Hi Jul 29 08:39:27 Hi Jul 29 08:44:52 we did a lot of work on kagu last night. if you're interested you might want to try the latest Jul 29 11:29:11 hi Jul 29 11:29:11 <_Monkey> niihau, Andy80 Jul 29 11:29:45 hi _Monkey Jul 29 12:59:57 i love waking up slowly and while coming out of a dream state being able to grasp a problem i was working on the night before Jul 29 13:00:44 pupnikzzz, you just woke up? I just did as well too haha Jul 29 13:01:01 pupnikzzz, what was the problem from the night before? Jul 29 13:01:56 something Neostrider said about iterating through the keys of a virtual keyboard to test if they were being hit bothered me Jul 29 13:02:31 it's an o(n) algorithm where n is the number of keys Jul 29 13:02:56 there is an o(log n) algo for it and i realized it when i woke up Jul 29 13:03:14 I could've told you that if you'd asked. Jul 29 13:03:43 If your keys are arranged in nice rows, there is also an O(1) algorithm. Jul 29 13:03:55 But that may waste a little storage. Jul 29 13:04:20 ok don't tell me! Jul 29 13:04:53 Well, it also works if your keys are not arranged in rows, but then it wastes a lot of storage. Jul 29 13:05:03 good grief! hahaha Jul 29 13:05:09 yes it does Jul 29 13:08:18 my first o(1) thought would have wasted keyboard width x height bytes for a direct mapping of pixel area hit to key Jul 29 13:08:31 but you can do it with less data! Jul 29 13:10:22 no first idea would have wasted ints not bytes Jul 29 13:21:44 a width x height array representing keyboard pixels can contain bytes (ascii values) for any pixel mapped to a key Jul 29 13:23:56 the o(log n) idea would use a binary tree for x and y Jul 29 13:43:33 considering the amount of keys you can have on a keyboard, I don't see much point in spending lot of time trying to optimize it Jul 29 13:45:10 i think it's a crime that a 250mhz computer feels sluggish doing anything Jul 29 13:47:37 I die a little inside when our otherwise brilliant chief architect stares at my blankly when I tell him I don't want to have some shit loop twice Jul 29 13:47:44 (java dude) Jul 29 13:47:51 s/my/me Jul 29 13:49:48 i blame website designers for the slow browsing experience Jul 29 13:50:27 yeah Jul 29 13:50:54 software and software design get slower faster than hardware gets faster Jul 29 13:51:10 if someone doesn't break out soon Jul 29 13:51:17 we're going to slow to a crawl in a few years :> Jul 29 14:27:32 a shit loop...that sounds horrible... Jul 29 14:36:46 howdy everyone Jul 29 15:06:15 i can't yet find any features that i need openssh for over dropbear Jul 29 15:06:54 agent forwarding? Jul 29 15:07:19 No warning messages? :) Jul 29 15:07:29 (maybe recent dropbear versions do agent forwarding now ...) Jul 29 15:07:48 ok Jul 29 15:08:22 dunno about the nokia's, but on the linksys nslu2 openssh is measured to be three times faster than dropbear doing scp with blowfish (the lightest weight encryption algorithm) Jul 29 15:08:58 aha! dropbear scp -c blowfish drops down to very low speeds Jul 29 15:09:40 and varies between 100-200kB/s Jul 29 15:10:01 (770, writing to /dev/mmc1 Jul 29 15:11:26 i need to install kernel with nfs and HS mmc Jul 29 15:14:09 trying to partition mmc for multiboot Jul 29 15:14:19 apt-get install e2fsprogs // E: Package e2fsprogs has no installation candidate (gregale) Jul 29 15:14:54 Google: Jul 29 15:14:55 Your search - gregale "E: Package e2fsprogs has no installation candidate" - did not match any documents. Jul 29 15:15:28 lo Jul 29 15:15:37 I need a little help with FBreader Jul 29 15:15:53 I got it installed but icannot find its configuration files Jul 29 15:18:37 apparently its the newest version compiled for 1.1 Jul 29 15:23:15 anybody here got FBreader installed? Jul 29 15:23:34 I need to know where it expects the conf file and in what format Jul 29 15:23:50 I have the default files apparently but i don't know where to put them Jul 29 15:26:25 hello? Jul 29 15:26:36 don't know the answer Jul 29 15:26:46 do you have the deb file for the package? Jul 29 15:26:54 you can list all the files it contains Jul 29 15:30:04 pupnik: remember my 1.1 predicament Jul 29 15:30:18 pupnik: the .deb file does not install Jul 29 15:30:41 download the older deb Jul 29 15:30:45 oh nevermind Jul 29 15:30:49 it is thenewest version automatically compiled for 1.1 Jul 29 15:30:59 maybe the 1.1 build has different default directories Jul 29 15:31:06 you can list all the files the older deb contains Jul 29 15:31:08 pupnik: it does not let me Jul 29 15:31:12 maybe 1.1 puts them in the same location Jul 29 15:31:22 yes exactly Jul 29 15:31:32 Icannot get an older deb however Jul 29 15:32:11 why can't you get an older deb? Jul 29 15:32:20 the fbreadersite only shows the newest Jul 29 15:32:24 ah Jul 29 15:32:32 and guessing the name of older deb hasn't worked Jul 29 15:33:32 pupnik: could you point me to a newer .deb tho? Jul 29 15:33:38 isn't fbreadersite on sourceforge? Jul 29 15:33:48 i can take it apart and look how the files are put Jul 29 15:33:53 hmmmm Jul 29 15:34:04 dpkg --contents filename.deb Jul 29 15:34:25 erstazi: yes i think so..... i don't know about the maemo packages tho /me checks Jul 29 15:34:27 Can someone tell me if the 770 os2007 he is better than the 2006e Jul 29 15:35:16 the fbreader for maemo homepage is incredibly obsolete Jul 29 15:35:29 pupnik: yes - so is my 770 OS Jul 29 15:35:35 so its all good ;) Jul 29 15:35:40 I mean i run it already Jul 29 15:35:40 http://www.fbreader.org/maemo/#maemo2.offline Jul 29 15:35:50 but all menu items look like this: ???????? Jul 29 15:35:58 and all icons show broken icons Jul 29 15:35:59 Anyone ? Jul 29 15:36:13 no Jul 29 15:36:17 Aceado|770: os2007 is better but needs more memory Jul 29 15:36:21 nobody can tell you if it's better Jul 29 15:36:26 I think 2006 is better for now Jul 29 15:36:32 because it depends on who you are and what you want to do Jul 29 15:36:48 * blkhawk can only use 2005 Jul 29 15:37:10 agreed pupnik, I find 2006 sufficient for my needs Jul 29 15:38:28 note the term 'hacker edition'.. i would recommend if you want to try it, put it on the mmc card so you can switch back easily Jul 29 15:38:29 Ok its just the both minimo and the opaera close itself off when i use them for about 20mins or so like there is a buffer problem or somethink? Jul 29 15:39:18 Aceado|770, which os do you have again? 2007? opera can crash sometimes, it has happened to me once already in 1 day Jul 29 15:39:36 Aceado|770, I suggest links2 Jul 29 15:40:05 ok no Sourceforge hosting for fbreader Jul 29 15:40:26 links2 has been stable for me - hacking it for a vkbd would be nice Jul 29 15:40:32 can anybody get me a current 3.0 or 2.0 version of the deb? Jul 29 15:40:42 somebody here has to use fbreader ;) Jul 29 15:41:26 I have 2006 not 2007 Jul 29 15:42:28 Aceado|770, I would stick with 2006, I am as well Jul 29 15:42:49 So should i use the links2 then? Jul 29 15:43:14 Aceado|770, if opera messes up continually, I would use links2 (pupnik has the link) or links Jul 29 15:43:38 howdy NeoStrider Jul 29 15:43:51 howdy erstazi! Jul 29 15:44:04 hello to you all! Jul 29 15:44:05 hi all. Jul 29 15:44:10 hi bilboed Jul 29 15:44:22 hi bilboed Jul 29 15:44:23 Where can i find links2 and am i able 2 view pics aswell? Jul 29 15:44:26 I haven't tried the mozilla based browser yet Jul 29 15:44:27 Where can I get a bigger set of gstreamer plugins for the n800 ? The official packages are missing quite a lot. I'm mostly looking for jpegenc Jul 29 15:44:40 _Monkey: pupnik Jul 29 15:44:41 <_Monkey> NeoStrider: huh? Jul 29 15:44:44 _Monkey: pupnik? Jul 29 15:44:45 <_Monkey> neostrider: i haven't a clue Jul 29 15:44:49 _Monkey: smw? Jul 29 15:44:51 <_Monkey> somebody said smw was Super Mario War at http://pupnik.de/smw.html Jul 29 15:44:55 Aceado|770, http://pupnik.de/links2.html Jul 29 15:45:04 erstazi was faster than me Jul 29 15:45:06 =-) Jul 29 15:45:14 I couldn't remember it Jul 29 15:45:24 then it hit me, browser history (: Jul 29 15:45:26 me too, so I used _Monkey Jul 29 15:45:52 zeenix, ping Jul 29 15:48:44 becomeroot is echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" Jul 29 15:48:47 becomeroot? Jul 29 15:48:48 <_Monkey> i guess becomeroot is echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" Jul 29 15:49:23 _Monkey: forget becomeroot Jul 29 15:49:25 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot becomeroot Jul 29 15:49:52 How do i use it? Jul 29 15:49:56 becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, type in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" Jul 29 15:52:12 pupnik, heh, good job Jul 29 15:52:29 ok - can anybody get me a recent .deb of FBreader? Jul 29 15:52:42 I am stuck with 1.1 and cannot normally download it Jul 29 15:52:59 becomeroot? Jul 29 15:53:00 <_Monkey> hmmm... becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" Jul 29 15:53:33 blkhawk, what version do you want? Jul 29 15:53:35 or desire? Jul 29 15:53:55 blkhawk, what os version do you have/ Jul 29 15:55:12 erstazi: os2005 Jul 29 15:55:39 I have a prototype 770 Jul 29 15:55:45 I cannot upgrade the bootloader Jul 29 15:56:08 erstazi: any version is fine - the 2.0 version would be best - but 3.0 is fine too Jul 29 15:56:13 ok Jul 29 15:56:17 i can't umount /media/mmc1 on itos2006 - and i only have xterm and load-applet-run started Jul 29 15:56:29 I need to confirm the .deb has the sme structure the package for 1.1 has Jul 29 15:56:47 I think the autobilding process is broken on rthat one Jul 29 15:58:09 blkhawk, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/fbreader (I only see 0.8.4a) Jul 29 15:58:28 I am not sure where else you could find that, I think the repos would be the same as well Jul 29 15:58:35 oh i am stupid, swap is enabled >_< sorry Jul 29 15:58:45 pupnik, heh Jul 29 15:59:50 got a tester for angstron!!! Jul 29 16:00:10 how do i become root? Jul 29 16:00:13 what changed from OS2005? Jul 29 16:00:19 it uses dpkg and not apt Jul 29 16:00:36 so i can use the links2 ? Jul 29 16:00:58 erstazi: iya well I need the .deb of os2006 Jul 29 16:01:03 Cegy: what OS/Tablet do you have Jul 29 16:01:04 thanks tho Jul 29 16:01:12 770 2006 Jul 29 16:01:22 becomeroot? Jul 29 16:01:24 <_Monkey> becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" Jul 29 16:01:52 pupnik, (I suggest openssh, a lot easier to configure) Jul 29 16:06:55 i did sudo gainroot in xterm and i says cal_read_block (r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? Enabel the RD mode if u want to break your device Jul 29 16:06:56 :| Jul 29 16:07:29 have you installed becomeroot? Jul 29 16:07:33 erstazi: could you look into ~/.FBreader and ell mewhat you seethere? Jul 29 16:07:40 becomeroot? Jul 29 16:07:41 <_Monkey> becomeroot is, like, For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" Jul 29 16:07:43 i did that Jul 29 16:07:56 blkhawk, hold a second please, I am installing something in xterm Jul 29 16:08:15 sounds like it hasn't worked for some reason Jul 29 16:08:24 shit Jul 29 16:08:25 :| Jul 29 16:08:27 ty Jul 29 16:08:28 not fair Jul 29 16:08:38 i want to install links2 but i guess not now Jul 29 16:08:48 just set R&D mode... Jul 29 16:08:53 how? Jul 29 16:09:03 you got a linux pc available to you? Jul 29 16:09:07 no Jul 29 16:09:10 on windows Jul 29 16:09:11 or a LiveCD distro? Jul 29 16:09:16 nope Jul 29 16:09:20 you lying Jul 29 16:09:24 am not Jul 29 16:09:27 just download one Jul 29 16:09:30 :) Jul 29 16:09:38 but y would i need to ? Jul 29 16:10:21 can't i do it in the shell to install the links2 Jul 29 16:10:23 well i was hoping to save time trying to work out why becomeroot wasn't working and just get you to use the linux flasher but probably not worth the effort Jul 29 16:10:58 if you need root you need to work out what has happened to becomeroot Jul 29 16:11:09 so Jul 29 16:11:21 alternatively, install dropbear or openssh (somehow - maybe red pill mode) then root into your device that way Jul 29 16:11:29 * NeoStrider wonders about dillo on Maemo... Jul 29 16:11:38 i can ssh my 770 Jul 29 16:11:49 with openssh install Jul 29 16:11:49 Cegy, can you do this: sudo gainroot Jul 29 16:12:06 on wat shell or xtrem? Jul 29 16:12:14 either or Jul 29 16:12:43 root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. Jul 29 16:12:46 on shel Jul 29 16:12:48 sheel Jul 29 16:12:50 shell* Jul 29 16:13:04 and on xterm i get cal_read_block (r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? Enabel the RD mode if u want to break your device Jul 29 16:14:40 any idea's ? Jul 29 16:16:15 erstazi? Jul 29 16:16:16 <_Monkey> i think erstazi is happy that IT2006/IT2007 is based on debian Jul 29 16:17:35 Cegy, not sure Jul 29 16:17:42 Cegy: "< Cegy> root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." Jul 29 16:17:49 sounds like you already are root. Jul 29 16:18:02 zakx...all fingers will point to you Jul 29 16:18:22 how will i find out if am root or not? Jul 29 16:18:34 Cegy: execute "id" Jul 29 16:18:39 paste the results in here Jul 29 16:18:42 wtf? Jul 29 16:18:49 type waT? Jul 29 16:18:55 absolution:~ zakx$ id Jul 29 16:18:55 uid=501(zakx) gid=501(zakx) groups=501(zakx), 80(admin) Jul 29 16:19:13 so i type execute "id" Jul 29 16:19:18 no. Jul 29 16:19:20 in wat xterm or shell ? Jul 29 16:19:35 am new to this so Jul 29 16:19:37 u know Jul 29 16:20:04 what do you mean by "shell" exactly? Jul 29 16:20:06 it says Jul 29 16:20:38 uid=29999(user) uid=29999(users) Jul 29 16:21:08 is that the same window you entered the sudo gainroot stuff in? Jul 29 16:21:15 yeah Jul 29 16:21:44 alright, you're not root then Jul 29 16:21:53 in xterm thats wat it says Jul 29 16:22:03 ok so wats the easy way to become root then? Jul 29 16:22:20 easiest way would be to install either openssh or dropbear Jul 29 16:22:34 the package is calles "ssh" though Jul 29 16:22:36 i have openssh install already Jul 29 16:22:37 *called Jul 29 16:22:40 okay. Jul 29 16:22:43 i can ssh it Jul 29 16:22:47 if u mean that Jul 29 16:22:58 are you logged in via ssh? Jul 29 16:23:00 ok - so login as root into your device over ssh Jul 29 16:23:27 done that Jul 29 16:23:35 and you are now root? Jul 29 16:23:37 id? Jul 29 16:24:08 it doesn't say user not it says root Jul 29 16:24:14 uid=0(root) gid=0(root) Jul 29 16:24:14 pupnik, now, what is synergy for? I know you mention it in the INSTALL/README about how you can use that for the virtual keyboard on the 770 Jul 29 16:24:24 Cegy: congratulations. you're root then. Jul 29 16:24:34 oh Jul 29 16:24:35 Cegy, I suggest changing the passwords for both user and root Jul 29 16:24:43 Cegy, passwd root Jul 29 16:24:44 or Jul 29 16:24:47 passwd user Jul 29 16:24:50 so i have to ssh it to become root Jul 29 16:24:53 change both for security Jul 29 16:24:55 <_Monkey> erstazi: that doesn't look right Jul 29 16:24:59 ok Jul 29 16:25:04 erstazi: did you look in .FBreader for me? Jul 29 16:25:12 blkhawk, doing now, done installing Jul 29 16:25:17 ty Jul 29 16:25:30 erstazi: the user account has no password. Jul 29 16:25:36 i would like to use links2 but if u can't use the virtual keyboard then its no use to me :| Jul 29 16:25:37 one shouldn't change that Jul 29 16:26:15 blkhawk, I would look if I had it (: Jul 29 16:26:32 I haven't installed it yet myself Jul 29 16:26:41 blkhawk, you will notice that there are some versions not ported yet Jul 29 16:26:57 erstazi: dang - thanks ayway Jul 29 16:27:13 blkhawk:yes but this on is - except for the damn UI Jul 29 16:27:19 i miss all the icons and texts Jul 29 16:27:26 otherwise it works fine Jul 29 16:28:09 pupnik how do i use links2 Jul 29 16:28:18 can i use the virtual keybroad? Jul 29 16:28:19 :| Jul 29 16:28:47 zakx, I set a password to the usr account Jul 29 16:29:03 http://pupnik.de/links2.html Cegy, info is here Jul 29 16:29:20 so my question u still tell me can i use it yes or no? Jul 29 16:29:22 simple as that Jul 29 16:29:29 Cegy, requires a bluetooth keyboard or synergy (to use the desktop keyboard). Jul 29 16:29:39 fucking bollocks then Jul 29 16:29:54 pupnik, when you say "desktop keyboard" do you mean the virtual keyboard right? Jul 29 16:29:58 i use it with a virtual keyboard :() Jul 29 16:30:01 yeah Jul 29 16:30:24 so U can use the virtual keyboard then ? Jul 29 16:30:35 pupnik, thats where I stopped last night, I didn't get to installing synergy, I was too tired Jul 29 16:30:42 http://pupnik.de/matchbox-kbd.html Jul 29 16:30:44 with that keyboard Jul 29 16:31:59 ty, pupnik Jul 29 16:32:04 ok so i can become root now how do i move the file to where ever it should be and use it? Jul 29 16:33:46 pupnik ? Jul 29 16:33:46 <_Monkey> somebody said pupnik was stupid, swap is enabled >_< sorry Jul 29 16:33:49 ? Jul 29 16:33:54 ok so i can become root now how do i move the file to where ever it should be and use it? Jul 29 16:33:56 lol Jul 29 16:34:14 what file Jul 29 16:34:17 i will keep on asking till i get the help but am dumb so i nee step by step help Jul 29 16:34:19 pupnik, you must have had your 770 for a while, or you are a busy little fellow Jul 29 16:34:19 links2 Jul 29 16:34:19 <_Monkey> i think links2 is a lightweight graphical web browser (non-hildon) http://pupnik.de/links2.html Jul 29 16:35:00 pupnik, either way, you are a god (again) Jul 29 16:35:00 Cegy: i want to help Jul 29 16:35:04 pupnik ++ Jul 29 16:35:10 ok :) Jul 29 16:35:19 i am just slow and also working on other things Jul 29 16:35:21 i've downloaded the links2 file Jul 29 16:35:33 Cegy, did you untar it? Jul 29 16:35:42 how do u do that :|? Jul 29 16:35:44 ok, you can also install it directly from the nokia web browser Jul 29 16:35:56 tar -zxvf filename Jul 29 16:36:00 make sure you are root Jul 29 16:36:04 first Jul 29 16:36:07 oh sorry i am wrong Jul 29 16:36:11 Does links2 install as mozilla, just a line in menu to select an engine? Jul 29 16:36:13 no .deb for links2 sorry Jul 29 16:36:17 install it from the nokia web browser how is that done then? Jul 29 16:36:30 Cegy, go to xterm Jul 29 16:36:30 forget i said that Jul 29 16:36:36 ok Jul 29 16:36:36 follow erstazi instructions Jul 29 16:36:43 ok Jul 29 16:36:43 Cegy, then cd /media/mmc1 Jul 29 16:36:53 I am suspecting thats where you saved it Jul 29 16:36:54 ok 2 secs Jul 29 16:37:10 is there anybody in her willing to get me the contents of their .fbreader directory? Jul 29 16:37:11 (that is the external flash) Jul 29 16:37:15 bilboed: late pong Jul 29 16:37:22 I really need it to get my install working Jul 29 16:37:24 i can only use ssh to become root should i use that to do it ? Jul 29 16:37:45 no fbreader here Jul 29 16:37:46 or a 2.0 deb file Jul 29 16:37:50 :( Jul 29 16:37:54 Cegy, well, it depends, you can access /media/mmc1 when you connect to the usb Jul 29 16:38:02 zeenix, do you know where I can find more gstreamer plugins compiled for n800 ? Jul 29 16:38:04 snack time! BRB! Jul 29 16:38:07 blkhawk, you will have to find a deb that uses the ARM arch Jul 29 16:38:07 zeenix, like jpegenc for example Jul 29 16:38:18 bilboed: nope :( Jul 29 16:38:20 erstazi: damn - I have got that Jul 29 16:38:29 s/uses/is for Jul 29 16:38:31 erstazi: but it is broken Jul 29 16:38:38 erstazi: i have it manually installed Jul 29 16:38:52 erstazi: but it is unable to find its resource files Jul 29 16:39:01 bilboed: how hard it is for you to get it build? :) Jul 29 16:39:04 so i have no Menu text or icons Jul 29 16:39:07 blkhawk, you must be missing some packages Jul 29 16:39:28 erstazi: no I am not - the deb packages is autobuild Jul 29 16:39:36 zeenix, scratchbox is painful to install for one plugin... especially if you don't have a debian-based system Jul 29 16:39:41 it broke sometimes after 2006 came out Jul 29 16:40:01 am there at mmc1 nowwat? Jul 29 16:40:10 nobody noticed because everybody except me can use 2006 Jul 29 16:40:19 Cegy, now type: ls Jul 29 16:40:32 I made sure all packeages and librarays are installed - its a simple configuration problem Jul 29 16:40:34 tell me if the links2 tgz is there Jul 29 16:40:35 yeah u see that file there Jul 29 16:40:40 i* Jul 29 16:41:11 tar -zxvf links2_armel_bin.tgz Jul 29 16:41:28 bilboed: it wouldn't be a bad idea if you file a bug for this Jul 29 16:41:34 done that Jul 29 16:42:00 ok now follow the instructions in INSTALL (do you know about the command mv? mv is move) Jul 29 16:42:14 bilboed: i imagine many devels would want plugins for n800 that are not there on the device normally Jul 29 16:42:21 zeenix, right Jul 29 16:42:26 u need to tell me wat to do as i don't know myself as am new to this Jul 29 16:42:28 zeenix, even though it means downloading other packages Jul 29 16:42:37 Cegy, if ldconfig gives an error about ld.so.conf missing in /etc/, then just vi /etc/ldconfig and save it (if you know how to use vi) Jul 29 16:42:58 Cegy, let me pm you, its a little crazy here, kids not listening right now Jul 29 16:43:42 yeah i get an error Jul 29 16:43:44 bilboed: yeah! who ever wants jpegenc can then just `apt-get install ..` it Jul 29 16:44:27 erstazi ? Jul 29 16:44:27 <_Monkey> somebody said erstazi was happy that IT2006/IT2007 is based on debian Jul 29 16:44:58 zeenix, you wouldn't happen to have scratchbox ready for compiling just one plugin ? :) Jul 29 16:46:00 Ceg, does it say "ls.so.conf doesn't exist" or you don't got permissions or something? Jul 29 16:46:14 ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory Jul 29 16:46:22 What was that dictionary software for 770? Jul 29 16:46:26 Ceg, in xterm type: vi /etc/ld.so.conf Jul 29 16:46:37 then type :w Jul 29 16:46:47 wat :w or w ? Jul 29 16:46:50 ":w" without the quotes Jul 29 16:46:57 then type :q Jul 29 16:47:04 (it wouldn't let me do :wq) Jul 29 16:47:15 now run ldconfig Jul 29 16:47:17 y Jul 29 16:48:04 it gave a warning if I did :wq so I just did it separate, by typing :w then :q Jul 29 16:48:04 How to run wmv files? Mplayer only show first frame. Jul 29 16:48:21 zeenix, sigh... then I guess I have to install scratchbox after all :( Jul 29 16:48:24 i can't do anything Jul 29 16:48:28 Jaffa, you need the codecs for that, and I do not know if they were ported for the ARM arch Jul 29 16:48:29 it just types it in and now Jul 29 16:48:31 nothing* Jul 29 16:49:05 Ceg, I suggest reading up on how to use vi, but all you have to do is type :w then hit enter key then type :q and hit enter key Jul 29 16:49:08 and it brings you back to terminal Jul 29 16:49:36 Ceg, basically, you just made the ld.so.conf so ldconfig can write to it when you run the command ldconfig Jul 29 16:50:22 done that wats next? Jul 29 16:50:44 did you type ldconfig into the xterm? Jul 29 16:51:13 -sh: idconfig: not found Jul 29 16:51:42 L not i Jul 29 16:51:44 lowercase l Jul 29 16:51:56 i mean ldconfig and it doesn'y do anything Jul 29 16:52:05 like i need to type something again Jul 29 16:52:08 Ceg, thats ok, thats whats suppose to happen Jul 29 16:52:12 ok Jul 29 16:52:16 cd /media/mmc1/links2/ Jul 29 16:52:27 after that type: ls Jul 29 16:52:56 I give up Jul 29 16:53:04 * NeoStrider is back Jul 29 16:53:10 yeah done that Jul 29 16:54:03 Ceg, ok now verify that links2 is there Jul 29 16:54:15 yeah i can see that there Jul 29 16:54:21 now we can move links2: mv links2 /usr/bin/links2 Jul 29 16:54:49 done that Jul 29 16:54:53 ok Jul 29 16:55:03 now go to opera and load: http://pupnik.de/matchbox-kbd.html Jul 29 16:55:28 click Libfakekey0 deb and install that first Jul 29 16:55:55 after that is done, then install Matchbox-Keyboard deb Jul 29 16:56:10 after all that is done, go to xterm and type: links2 -g Jul 29 16:56:12 I want to set up usb networking, according to the wiki, I need to have a development root filesystem flashed on the device. Where can I find those ? Jul 29 16:56:13 -g is for graphics Jul 29 16:57:40 bilboed, I am not to that level yet, I have seen something on maemo.org about that but haven't attempted it yet... I only have had my 770 for 1 day so far Jul 29 17:00:00 hello fox__ Jul 29 17:02:52 howdy fox__ Jul 29 17:03:14 it saying its missing a file Jul 29 17:03:22 libgpm Jul 29 17:04:56 Ceg, oh you need to install that Jul 29 17:04:58 hold a sec Jul 29 17:05:30 pupnik, I forgot where I got libgpm from Jul 29 17:05:37 is it in the repos? Jul 29 17:06:26 don't remember Jul 29 17:06:38 i have it alright i think Jul 29 17:06:44 Ceg, ok Jul 29 17:06:47 it came in the links2 tar file Jul 29 17:07:03 Ceg, oh I thought already moved that Jul 29 17:07:07 Ceg, sorry Jul 29 17:07:08 i'll put a libgpm on the links2.html page - don't see it in repos Jul 29 17:07:09 nah Jul 29 17:07:19 so how do i do that? Jul 29 17:07:20 :) Jul 29 17:07:34 Ceg, back in xterm, make sure you sudo gainroot again Jul 29 17:07:40 i am Jul 29 17:07:40 ssh or xterm doesn't matter Jul 29 17:08:42 cd /media/mmc1/links2/usr/lib/ Jul 29 17:08:57 shit Jul 29 17:09:01 i need to untar it again Jul 29 17:09:02 lol Jul 29 17:09:07 strange, i don't see a libgpm deb anywhere now Jul 29 17:09:25 pupnik, I can try to make one Jul 29 17:09:29 for the ARM arch Jul 29 17:09:41 then we can submit this to maemo if you want Jul 29 17:09:42 how do i untar again? Jul 29 17:09:59 tar -zxvf links2_armel_bin.tgz Jul 29 17:10:07 make sure you are in the correct directory Jul 29 17:10:20 tar -zxvf /media/mmc1/links2_armel_bin.tgz Jul 29 17:10:41 done that Jul 29 17:10:46 ok Jul 29 17:10:47 i'll do cd /media/mmc1/links2/usr/lib/ Jul 29 17:10:55 done that Jul 29 17:10:57 then type: mv libgpm.so.1.19.6 /usr/lib/libgpm.so.1.19.6 Jul 29 17:10:58 wats next ;) Jul 29 17:11:31 pupnik, should it be: mv libgpm* /usr/lib/libgpm* Jul 29 17:11:46 personally, I did: mv libgpm.so.1.19.6 /usr/lib/libgpm.so.1.19.6 Jul 29 17:11:52 still get the same error Jul 29 17:12:02 Ceg, should it be: mv libgpm* /usr/lib/libgpm* Jul 29 17:12:12 i don't know Jul 29 17:12:16 then i think you want to ln -s /usr/lib/libgpm.so.1.19.6 /usr/lib/libgpm.so && ldconfig Jul 29 17:12:16 am ne to this Jul 29 17:12:26 ok you can also copy several files Jul 29 17:12:41 that works too, ldconfig might complain about it though Jul 29 17:13:46 nah it works Jul 29 17:13:59 just can't get the virtual keyboard to work now Jul 29 17:14:11 i've installed it and that Jul 29 17:14:16 or do i need to restart it? Jul 29 17:14:58 Ceg, that should be it, now type in xterm: links2 -g Jul 29 17:15:18 I thought we did matchbox-kbd Jul 29 17:15:18 yeah links2 works but no virtual keyboard Jul 29 17:15:23 we did Jul 29 17:15:27 hmm Jul 29 17:15:45 i'll reinstall them, 2 files again Jul 29 17:17:13 ok Jul 29 17:19:23 libgpm deb package is up on links2.html fwiw Jul 29 17:21:32 I cannot get the matchbox-kbd done but I need to wash some dishes here before I get some company coming Jul 29 17:26:15 still can't get the virtual keyboard to work Jul 29 17:26:50 if you type matchbox-keyboard in an xterm what happens? Jul 29 17:27:21 i should alias that to 'mbkbd' or something Jul 29 17:29:08 still don't work Jul 29 17:29:15 no Jul 29 17:29:18 it works Jul 29 17:29:30 shit tho Jul 29 17:29:36 as u can't hide it Jul 29 17:29:39 :|# Jul 29 17:29:42 yep Jul 29 17:29:48 there's no hide/restore button Jul 29 17:30:08 i want it to hide to a corner of the screen (a little icon) that you can click-on to restore it Jul 29 17:30:39 uintill then its pointless i think Jul 29 17:31:06 refresh the links2 page, i linked to a thread that shows you how to hide/restore it Jul 29 17:31:36 if it more typeing that no thanks its pointless Jul 29 17:31:37 this is all brand new stuff, so it's not userfriendly yet Jul 29 17:31:41 interesting Jul 29 17:32:38 ok time to do the dishes I will be back Jul 29 17:46:36 done Jul 29 17:56:57 ssh? Jul 29 17:56:57 <_Monkey> i think ssh is a massive overhead for the N800's tiny little processor though Jul 29 17:57:18 ssh? Jul 29 17:57:19 <_Monkey> rumour has it ssh is a 'secure shell' client/server. It lets you get access to the linux shell on my Tablet. See http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installssh2006/ Jul 29 17:58:47 ssh isn't a massive overhead, that's nonsense Jul 29 17:59:11 the reason it's slow is because the wifi antenna is only powered up when the tablet is sending, so incoming connections and keypresses fall on deaf ears Jul 29 17:59:29 the solution is once you ssh in, run ping on the device Jul 29 18:00:07 using dropbear and running ping, i only get 100-200kB/s with scp -c blowfish Jul 29 18:00:33 i'll have to test a comparison with nfs someday Jul 29 18:04:09 while running a scp -r -c blowfish from rootfs to PC i see about 57-67% cpu Jul 29 18:04:54 that speed figure was on it2006 with writes to mmc btw Jul 29 18:06:07 hm, I was thinking of ssh literally, rather than scp Jul 29 18:06:31 hehe Jul 29 18:06:33 writing to the mmc/flash is pretty slow though, comparing to ramdisk might be interesting Jul 29 18:06:39 and -c none Jul 29 18:06:48 is -c none an option? Jul 29 18:06:51 nfs on the 770? Jul 29 18:07:38 there's definitely a way of turning off the encryption, yes Jul 29 18:07:42 it might not be that though Jul 29 18:07:45 hmm it accepted -c none Jul 29 18:08:25 oh Ignoring unknown argument... dropbear doesn't even know the -c command Jul 29 18:08:36 oops, little x means close Jul 29 18:09:01 erstazi: there are alternate kernels compiled with nfs support for it2006 - i haven't used it yet Jul 29 18:09:21 oh Jul 29 18:09:53 i am still using a potato as a 770 stand with the power-jack plugged in Jul 29 18:10:55 oh mine came with a little stand Jul 29 18:11:24 Robot101, turning of the encryption on ssh? I highly doubt it, it wouldn't be scp/ssh then Jul 29 18:12:09 Robot101, if you don't want encryption use plain old rsync without piping it through ssh Jul 29 18:12:34 you can still do host identity checks, passwordless login, etc, but not encrypt the stream Jul 29 18:13:42 why do you not want encryption? Jul 29 18:14:07 Robot101, maybe with dropbear, I doubt openssh does that Jul 29 18:14:15 Robot101, in fact I think it would be out of the RFC Jul 29 18:15:35 erstazi: for performance if eg scp is CPU-bound on the 770/N800 Jul 29 18:15:46 erstazi: would appreciate faster filetransfers over wifi Jul 29 18:16:23 if you're copying a file over your LAN from your PC to your tablet, the chances of a MITM by your next-door neighbour are slim, especially if you have a WPA network, which has the benefit of being done for you in hardware Jul 29 18:16:32 (well, some of it) Jul 29 18:16:42 HI! I am absolutely a beginner and I need your help Jul 29 18:16:44 I tried to run all installation scripts for maemo 3.1 dev environment, and it works somehow. My problem is that I cannot run "apt-get update", it says repository.maemo.org cannot be found, but I can "wget" anything from inside scratchbox successfully. Any clue? Jul 29 18:17:11 nsswitch? Jul 29 18:18:22 http://www.google.com/search?q=scratchbox+nsswitch Jul 29 18:19:33 I see Jul 29 18:20:24 if you come up with the definitive answer please teach _Monkey Jul 29 18:26:22 pupnik, thanks, now my apt-get update works! Jul 29 18:26:48 phabulosa: what URL had the best description of the solution? Jul 29 18:27:27 pupnik, I followed the first google hit: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html Jul 29 18:27:36 ok Jul 29 18:27:51 ty Jul 29 18:28:33 pupnik, that link does not has any explaination, do you have some? what does nsswitch do? Jul 29 18:28:52 it tells the order of how to resolve dns queries Jul 29 18:29:21 so when you try to connect to www.google.com it usually first checks /etc/hosts, then sends a dns query Jul 29 18:30:52 and then? but what I cannot understand is why "wget" can work, but not "apt-get" Jul 29 18:31:56 i don't remember Jul 29 18:32:35 :) pupnik, I will do some research and I will let you know if we meet here again next time. Jul 29 18:32:59 ok cheers Jul 29 18:58:41 I was trying to upgrade from maemo 3.1 to maemo 3.2, but the package "module-init-tools" was kept back, does it matter? Jul 29 19:09:11 hi i got a problem when i try to run asterisk on maemo Jul 29 19:09:31 Nokia770-49:/usr/sbin# ls -al asterisk Jul 29 19:09:31 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 717528 Dec 11 23:26 asterisk Jul 29 19:09:31 Nokia770-49:/usr/sbin# ./asterisk Jul 29 19:09:31 -sh: ./asterisk: not found Jul 29 19:09:48 looks funny to everyone, can someone please help me on this Jul 29 19:14:14 hmm Jul 29 19:16:03 sure it's an armel file? Jul 29 19:17:04 pupnik: how would i check that ? Jul 29 19:17:32 how did you install asterisk? Jul 29 19:17:58 pupnik: i download from this link http://www.cayennegraphics.com/asterisk770/asterisk-1.2.1-nokia770-arm-binary.tar.gz Jul 29 19:18:03 and installed with tar Jul 29 19:18:20 bingo Jul 29 19:18:24 or with the instructions mentioned over there http://www.cayennegraphics.com/asterisk770/ Jul 29 19:18:41 it's for IT2005 Jul 29 19:18:46 oh Jul 29 19:18:59 oops Jul 29 19:19:09 "arm" is for it2005 and "armel" is for it2006 afaik Jul 29 19:19:21 i c Jul 29 19:20:09 you have any idea where i can get the armel for asterisk for IT2006 ? Jul 29 19:20:35 no i'm sorry - finding packages is a real pita Jul 29 19:20:48 pupnik: i understand Jul 29 19:21:03 also it might help the world if you emailed the guy who runs that page Jul 29 19:21:20 ask him/her to update it with a new build, or at least mention that it's only for it2005 Jul 29 19:21:48 pupnik: is there is anyway to get the development environment to get setup in powerpc processor ? Jul 29 19:22:20 if you have the scratchbox packages and qemu, maybe Jul 29 19:31:59 pupnik, arm is for it2005 only (confirmation) Jul 29 19:39:34 bilboed: if you can wait till tomorrow, i can do it for you Jul 29 19:53:54 multiboot? Jul 29 19:53:55 <_Monkey> hmmm... multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card Jul 29 19:56:05 lunch... Jul 29 19:58:48 Bom apetite! Jul 29 20:00:54 howdy everyone Jul 29 20:02:00 Eip? ole n?hty aikoihin Jul 29 20:02:31 did that come out as "Eip?" Jul 29 20:02:38 heh Jul 29 20:03:00 or Epia with a curly over the a? Jul 29 20:03:34 the former Jul 29 20:03:54 ok thanks Jul 29 20:04:01 I have UTF-8 Jul 29 20:04:13 that "was nice to see you" in finnish, mangled by synergy and rxvt Jul 29 20:04:48 I, for one, welcome our new Finnish overlords! Jul 29 20:05:33 oh no - "long time no see" Jul 29 20:06:20 so erstazi are you happy with your new device? Jul 29 20:22:14 * pupnik cranks The Boredoms Jul 29 20:41:26 pupnik: actually it means "wow, we havent seen for ages" literally Jul 29 20:41:32 though the meaning you said sure does fit Jul 29 20:41:54 or, yes, "long time no see" Jul 29 20:47:36 how complex instructions and how much local memory does the dsp have? Jul 29 20:47:46 silly question i suppose Jul 29 20:47:55 could a SB16 emulator run entirely on the 770 DSP? Jul 29 20:56:37 " Bom apetite" NICE! Jul 29 20:57:39 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dspprogramming/ i wonder what could all be done with that DSP Jul 29 21:00:21 what can be done with that? Jul 29 21:07:03 yes Jul 29 21:08:58 lardman was looking into it Jul 29 21:09:33 for example, i had a program to play back FM midi music, on my motorola 56k dsp back in 1991 Jul 29 21:10:05 i think the DSP in the 770 must be more powerful and flexible than the 56k Jul 29 21:10:23 sure...we could do some cool games with it Jul 29 21:10:32 i think it could emulate the yamaha OPL3 fm chip and the sound blaster DSP Jul 29 21:10:34 I would love to have som effects like tempest 2000 Jul 29 21:10:38 ? Jul 29 21:10:52 you dont know it? Jul 29 21:10:54 do this: Jul 29 21:11:07 download tempest for MAME Jul 29 21:11:11 take some LSD Jul 29 21:11:15 i see pictures Jul 29 21:11:16 turn on your lava lamp Jul 29 21:11:18 and go play it Jul 29 21:11:20 =-D Jul 29 21:12:19 watching youtube vids Jul 29 21:14:00 i don't think the dsp is useful for graphics, maybe i am wrong? Jul 29 21:14:39 maybe I just understood what a DSP is good for Jul 29 21:14:51 s/just/just didnt/ Jul 29 21:14:52 NeoStrider meant: maybe I just didnt understood what a DSP is good for Jul 29 21:15:06 s/didnt/dont Jul 29 21:15:13 s/didnt/dont/ Jul 29 21:15:13 NeoStrider meant: s/dont/dont Jul 29 21:15:20 ¬¬ Jul 29 21:15:50 that reminds me to try kumppa on the 770 Jul 29 21:15:59 whats that? Jul 29 21:16:59 NeoStrider: a cool screensaver. Jul 29 21:17:21 probably the first to emulate 'video feedback' Jul 29 21:18:13 whats video feedback? Jul 29 21:19:49 http://youtube.com/watch?v=qCK5GKRohyE Jul 29 21:20:08 a video camera plus a mirror pointed at a tv Jul 29 21:20:28 or no mirror Jul 29 21:21:40 http://youtube.com/watch?v=If0-77J-bS4 this is more typical video feedback Jul 29 21:22:13 wow they get some nice effects Jul 29 21:30:39 <||cw> yeah that's fun to do Jul 29 21:34:49 ahhh Jul 29 21:34:55 THIS IS SPARTA! Jul 29 21:35:03 s/SPARTA/video feedback/ Jul 29 21:35:04 NeoStrider meant: THIS IS video feedback! Jul 29 21:38:47 best i ever saw was done with an analog camera, a mirror and a commodore analog monitor Jul 29 21:39:10 zeenix: good to see you've converted to git :) Jul 29 21:43:36 robtaylor: thanks but wouldn't make much of a difference if there are only two devels and only one of them converts to git :( Jul 29 21:49:17 well actually its not too bad Jul 29 21:50:30 robtaylor: btw! you said you might be interested in gupnp when it's ready and i think it's ready now :) Jul 29 21:50:46 zeenix: heh, well, needs some control points, i think ;) Jul 29 21:51:20 zeenix: its not to bad using git-wvn, its not too different to say, how things are done with the hal repo Jul 29 21:51:22 robtaylor: oh! you are only interested in UPnP apps, not frameworks? Jul 29 21:51:37 zeenix: yep, prely pragmatic on the upnp front ;) Jul 29 21:52:05 robtaylor: hmm.. i was hoping i can now persuade you to work with me on gupnp-av :) Jul 29 21:52:49 zeenix: heh, well i think i've got enough goding projects on at the moment, i'm afraid Jul 29 21:55:10 robtaylor: you are only interested in specific control points or also the generic one i am writing now? Jul 29 22:07:57 I can't add applications to maemo.org/downloads? Jul 29 22:08:47 there should be a page describing how to get apps included Jul 29 22:09:45 i could do it before Jul 29 22:09:51 already have three apps there Jul 29 22:11:40 oh, something wrong with maemo.org then? Jul 29 22:12:01 (just asking0 Jul 29 22:12:24 a config problem probably. the floating menu to edit pages doesn't open Jul 29 22:13:24 oh. ok i found it Jul 29 22:13:42 had to select a category first Jul 29 22:22:01 howdy Jul 29 22:22:24 anybody here try running glimmr on their tablet? http://glimmr.sourceforge.net/ Jul 29 22:32:36 looks like a nice app for n800 Jul 29 22:32:45 share SD card with camera and upload photos on-the-go Jul 29 22:32:58 yeah that was my idea Jul 29 22:33:13 does glimmr do auto-resizing? Jul 29 22:33:25 i don't know. i haven't tried downloading it yet Jul 29 22:33:37 i was trying to figure out if i wanted to mess with it or write some python scripts Jul 29 22:34:19 i want something where I can write descriptions, titles and tags and then the application will save the metadata and wait patiently for an internet connection Jul 29 22:35:00 i'm on os x, so my ability to test stuff or do development is not so great :( Jul 29 22:36:16 Kagu media player finally released! Jul 29 22:36:39 https://garage.maemo.org/project/kagu (auto install link there) Jul 29 22:37:59 congrats Jul 29 22:38:33 i will definitely be trying out these things when i get testing it2007 on mmc Jul 29 22:40:14 works on it2006 too Jul 29 22:47:25 wow booting from mmc is nice Jul 29 22:51:12 howto? Jul 29 22:51:12 <_Monkey> i heard howto was the maemo community HowTo Wiki - http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo Jul 29 22:59:03 pupnik, is there any speed advantages booting from mmc? Jul 29 22:59:12 s/is there/are there/g Jul 29 22:59:13 erstazi meant: pupnik, are there any speed advantages booting from mmc? Jul 29 23:00:10 thank you infobot Jul 29 23:06:48 heh, infobot translates mistakes Jul 29 23:06:58 s/mistakes/corrections/g Jul 29 23:06:58 Sulis meant: heh, infobot translates corrections Jul 29 23:07:12 :D Jul 29 23:07:20 infobot is boring Jul 29 23:07:25 s/boring/very useful/ Jul 29 23:07:25 NeoStrider meant: infobot is very useful Jul 29 23:07:47 hehe Jul 29 23:08:39 apparently you can connect usb to pc while booted off mmc Jul 29 23:09:44 i'm just catching up with some things :) Jul 29 23:09:45 pupnik: to access the data on the card? That indeed should be impossible. Jul 29 23:09:57 http://www.wahlau.org/fun_with_n800_booting_n800_internet_tablet_from_sd_card#2 Jul 29 23:10:03 check bottom of page Jul 29 23:10:07 i haven't tried it Jul 29 23:10:58 if you boot off sd-card the filesystem on it is mounted, which means it shouldnt be mounted a second time via USB. Jul 29 23:12:04 well on linux i can mount /dev/sda2 and not mount /dev/sda1 Jul 29 23:13:06 perhaps you can boot off mmcblk0p2 and still mount mmcblk0p1 from pc? Jul 29 23:19:38 pupnik, checkout mtab and fstab files Jul 29 23:22:39 yes they're there Jul 29 23:26:08 hangovers suck Jul 29 23:34:46 fellows, whats the name of that rapidshare clone you guys use? Jul 29 23:35:42 divshare.com Jul 29 23:37:10 http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php <- funny educational video. How to post (and not to post) to forums. (flash) Jul 29 23:39:18 take a look , guys: Jul 29 23:39:19 http://www.divshare.com/download/1406616-ca5 Jul 29 23:39:24 the radar Jul 29 23:39:25 <_Monkey> the radar is fine with that, as long as I am in charge! Jul 29 23:39:31 its a the right place? Jul 29 23:39:38 or should I place it somewhere else? Jul 29 23:39:40 what is it Jul 29 23:40:13 the "Radar" Jul 29 23:40:20 it shows the track state Jul 29 23:40:21 notice when i paste a url, i describe what it is about Jul 29 23:40:30 sorry Jul 29 23:40:31 what track? Jul 29 23:40:32 its a screenshot Jul 29 23:40:39 hmm ok Jul 29 23:41:00 the radar (...) Jul 29 23:41:00 its a the right place? Jul 29 23:41:02 ahh cool! Jul 29 23:41:13 the radar, is in the right place? Jul 29 23:41:14 it brings up the image without downloading Jul 29 23:41:26 yeah, its better this way Jul 29 23:41:27 yes that's where it is most easily seen i think Jul 29 23:41:44 it may cover the trails in 3D Jul 29 23:41:58 but lots of people wont play looking for the 3D , but for the 2D Jul 29 23:42:18 then how about the top? Jul 29 23:42:46 it would not obscure trails there Jul 29 23:42:49 I got some idea of drawing a small cockpit...I dont know...I want you guys to tell me what will look better Jul 29 23:43:51 (the trails on the 2D has some fade efect too ;-) ) Jul 29 23:52:37 dd bs=1M if=/dev/mmcblk0p2 | gzip > /media/mmc1/images/IT2006_2.2_Working.gz Jul 29 23:52:43 yaay i love backups Jul 29 23:55:49 i hope mmc is smart enough to return nulls for the unused sectors Jul 29 23:56:05 otherwise i'll be compressing a lot of junk left over from the old data :/ Jul 29 23:59:44 pupnik....psx emulator works? Jul 30 00:00:03 the program starts up just fine! Jul 30 00:00:10 doesn't run any psx games though :P Jul 30 00:00:42 reason behind that? Jul 30 00:00:55 i never tried compiling the plugin for the graphics Jul 30 00:01:18 disq, kagu won't display my billboard top 100 songs Jul 30 00:01:32 we'd need to find a software renderer that doesn't use opengl Jul 30 00:01:41 i think there is one out there Jul 30 00:01:51 unique311: billboard top 100 songs? Jul 30 00:01:54 i'll look Jul 30 00:02:26 maybe there's no album tag Jul 30 00:02:48 hmm Jul 30 00:03:29 maybe Jul 30 00:04:03 shouldn't it pick up the songs on the mmc. Jul 30 00:04:30 it should. Jul 30 00:05:14 i can't upload 1 track for you and you can take a look at it Jul 30 00:07:06 disq, could this be the issue File: 017 - Timbaland ft. Nelly Furtado & Justin - Give It To Me [Torrent-Tatty] (� Interscope).MP3 Jul 30 00:07:16 strange characters Jul 30 00:09:36 hi. Is there a way to disable the minimize all apps functionality on the n770. I need the key in vnc Jul 30 00:10:48 press the home button briefly (it2006 Jul 30 00:10:57 oh disable Jul 30 00:11:00 sorry Jul 30 00:11:15 yeah disable the house :-) Jul 30 00:11:28 i'd like to know that too! Jul 30 00:12:04 if i could reassign that, i could have a button to pull up a vkbd for sdl and xlib programs Jul 30 00:12:29 non opengl software render pupnik.. Jul 30 00:12:45 yeah there's a plugin somewhere that does it all internally Jul 30 00:13:16 you might even be able to play those 2D adventures pretty fast Jul 30 00:14:16 there has to go be someone who knows it with all the 600 lurkers in here Jul 30 00:14:27 lol Jul 30 00:14:30 600 Jul 30 00:14:39 201 ove rhere Jul 30 00:14:39 plus, if we port a bad psx emu, zodttd will become annoyed at our feebleness and port a good emu! Jul 30 00:14:53 :) Jul 30 00:15:16 go to the opengl channel and ask.. Jul 30 00:15:26 how is everyone playing games on the 770 or 800? Jul 30 00:15:34 I don't mean Blocks Jul 30 00:15:36 no this has nothing to do with opengl Jul 30 00:15:41 but emulated games Jul 30 00:16:02 we're playing them slowly, is what we're doing :P Jul 30 00:16:06 I find it difficult to play with the dpad and the buttons where they are Jul 30 00:16:37 yeah there's a 40 euro bluetooth controller that's been reported to work. i play on the bluetooth keyboard. Jul 30 00:16:43 it is difficult.. Jul 30 00:16:49 i am going to set up slimserver Jul 30 00:16:53 but if you bored the controls don't matter Jul 30 00:18:14 got a suggestion Jul 30 00:18:16 lol Jul 30 00:18:16 open maya Jul 30 00:20:05 unique311: can you run kagu-scanner from the cmdline and trace the output? Jul 30 00:20:21 cesman: smw, angstron, marbles, maemodrac , mahjong Jul 30 00:20:43 ahh Jul 30 00:20:45 emulated games Jul 30 00:20:49 dunno Jul 30 00:21:31 with that dpad, nothing that requires fast reflexes Jul 30 00:21:43 pupnik: where did you say that host file was Jul 30 00:21:52 /etc/hosts Jul 30 00:22:00 be sure not to overwrite it Jul 30 00:22:14 append to it instead Jul 30 00:22:22 disq i would but i already deleted the folder from SD Jul 30 00:22:55 going to try another billboard top 100 and see if it was those funny strings in the tracks name Jul 30 00:23:15 mmm ok Jul 30 00:28:49 I was kind of lucky , as *tron games doesnt require too many keypresses at the same time or on a short space of time Jul 30 00:30:27 pupnik, http://www.pbernert.com/html/gpu.htm#SOFTLIN Jul 30 00:30:29 tis it Jul 30 00:31:10 * cesman hopes the next Internet Tablet is more game friendly Jul 30 00:31:27 x/sdl/dga2 Jul 30 00:31:52 thats the plugins thats going to make gaming on the psx happen Jul 30 00:32:11 need source :/ Jul 30 00:32:23 its on the link Jul 30 00:32:45 http://www.pbernert.com/gpupeopssoftx117.tar.gz <- executeable Jul 30 00:32:58 ahh there's a sourceforge page... Jul 30 00:33:01 maybe it will work. Jul 30 00:34:12 whats the terminal command to edit a text file? Jul 30 00:34:31 vi, but you need to learn a bit of vi to use it Jul 30 00:36:28 how to quit vi? =-P Jul 30 00:36:33 im more a emacs guy Jul 30 00:36:51 esc to exit insert mode then ZZ or :wq to write and quit Jul 30 00:37:17 http://peops.cvs.sourceforge.net/peops/ Jul 30 00:37:24 what do i add to block a domain oer site? Jul 30 00:37:34 only able to find src in CVS page Jul 30 00:37:40 but everything is in there Jul 30 00:37:55 add a line like this to /etc/hosts Jul 30 00:38:09 127.0.0.1 www.adserver.net adserver.net Jul 30 00:38:54 man Jul 30 00:39:01 so chsh'ing user is a really bad idea eh? Jul 30 00:39:32 pupnik, http://peops.cvs.sourceforge.net/peops/gpuPeopsSoft/readme_1_2.txt?revision=1.1.1.1&view=markup yet another link Jul 30 00:39:41 check out the readme on the software gpu Jul 30 00:40:29 ok Jul 30 00:44:41 let me know how it turns out... Jul 30 00:45:21 reading Jul 30 00:46:32 there are a few incompatibilities Jul 30 00:47:05 it's not going to build without changes Jul 30 00:47:52 i'll try it on the pc first to see what it's like :) Jul 30 00:48:05 ooh wait i need to find my old game cds Jul 30 01:02:37 * NeoStrider_ is away nnow Jul 30 01:02:39 * NeoStrider_ is away now Jul 30 01:19:42 Just in case someone hasn't noticed yet, we've got a 1.0 binary release of Kagu available now (thanks to disq for all his hard work!): http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu Jul 30 01:23:53 just tried it Jul 30 01:23:58 and it's not working :( Jul 30 01:24:05 oh yeah? Jul 30 01:24:06 <_Monkey> yeah is, like, there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :) Jul 30 01:24:13 nothing happens when i run the scanner or kagu from extras Jul 30 01:24:19 this is on 4.2007/n800 Jul 30 01:24:22 shut up monkey. Jul 30 01:24:24 so i ran kagu in xterm Jul 30 01:24:49 and i get the following Jul 30 01:24:51 ~ $ kagu Jul 30 01:24:52 Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 30 01:24:52 File "./kagu.py", line 23, in Jul 30 01:24:52 import os, pygame, time, sys, gc Jul 30 01:24:52 ImportError: No module named pygame Jul 30 01:25:02 ah crap. Jul 30 01:25:08 you've got python 2.5? Jul 30 01:25:12 no Jul 30 01:25:19 that's the problem. Jul 30 01:25:27 looks like our dep restrictions aren't working. Jul 30 01:25:28 ah, so thats a dependency? Jul 30 01:25:40 yeah Jul 30 01:25:47 ok let me grab python 2.5 Jul 30 01:26:51 no it's pygame. python2.5 is in the dependency list Jul 30 01:26:53 just had a scary moment installing kagu... my device ran out of memory! i only have xterm, pidgin, skype and media streamer installed... christ knows how i ran out of flash memory Jul 30 01:27:00 ah ok Jul 30 01:27:12 where do i get pygame? Jul 30 01:27:23 comes with python 2.5. Jul 30 01:27:41 so i should install python 2.5 because i don't seem to have python installed yet Jul 30 01:27:43 ? Jul 30 01:27:52 python2.5-runtime Jul 30 01:28:04 that's installed on your system? Jul 30 01:28:07 no Jul 30 01:28:15 that's what you need then. Jul 30 01:28:21 that's the only pythong2.5 i have listed for installation Jul 30 01:28:25 ok, installing now... Jul 30 01:28:40 we'll fix the dep. Jul 30 01:28:47 it works over here Jul 30 01:29:17 1 issue i have...the scrolling is ttoo fast. Jul 30 01:29:25 milhouse: I'm not sure about the running out of flash ram thing. kagu itself chews up a lot of ram at runtime, but the installer should be just a normal install. Jul 30 01:29:32 hurrah... that seems to have worked Jul 30 01:29:46 do you get the runtime warnings about cdrom etc? Jul 30 01:29:48 unique311: so don't flick it. drag it instead. Jul 30 01:30:00 disq, it was the the funny stings in the tracks names....i tried a different billboard top 100 and it works. Jul 30 01:30:13 but then its too slow trevarthan Jul 30 01:30:24 trevarthan - don't worry, i'm sure that has nothing to do with kagu and all to do with the OS Jul 30 01:30:26 it jumps also when i drag it Jul 30 01:30:29 so don't flick it so fast. Jul 30 01:30:53 unique311: how many tracks are in the album you're dealing with? Jul 30 01:30:58 i just deleted 16Mb of documents (the pdf manuals) and my internal flash memory usage went down from 85% to 30% - go figure, the N800 can't add up to save it's life Jul 30 01:31:40 bear in mind it's supposed to have 256Mb internal flash... Jul 30 01:31:52 successfully scanned my media... Jul 30 01:31:53 unique311: you can also use the dpad to move up/down the list. Jul 30 01:31:58 oh and kagu shut down Jul 30 01:32:03 when i clicked the ok button Jul 30 01:32:16 starting it again Jul 30 01:32:30 loading album art this time Jul 30 01:32:31 dpad, doesn't do the cool scrolling Jul 30 01:32:31 milhouse: kagu-scanner is separate from kagu itself. Jul 30 01:32:44 nope. Jul 30 01:33:10 kagu wouldn't list File: 017 - Timbaland ft. Nelly Furtado & Justin - Give It To Me [Torrent-Tatty] (� Interscope).MP3 Jul 30 01:33:12 the inertial scrolling is... interesting. possibly a little too fast Jul 30 01:33:22 see Jul 30 01:33:28 not the only one trevarthan Jul 30 01:33:34 :) Jul 30 01:33:36 it needs a bit of damping :) Jul 30 01:33:48 we demand damping Jul 30 01:33:48 see if you can get used to it. Jul 30 01:33:55 mind you it's my first time, maybe it will grow on me :) Jul 30 01:33:59 aye Jul 30 01:34:13 right... how do i get the a2dp working? Jul 30 01:34:20 come on milhouse, we gotta fight for the right to damping Jul 30 01:34:33 milhouse: you've got mplayer and a2dpd and all that installed? Jul 30 01:34:45 no - thought a2dp came with kagu Jul 30 01:34:55 just so you two know: I'm listening to everything you say. Jul 30 01:35:00 and i haven't got mplayer installed... argh, bloody os upgrades :) Jul 30 01:35:09 off to get mplayer Jul 30 01:35:09 milhouse: no, it's a separate install. Jul 30 01:35:25 anychance of double clicking to select album or song? Jul 30 01:35:27 you can't use mplayer from maemo.org either. gotta use the one from my site. Jul 30 01:35:36 ok off there now Jul 30 01:35:46 trevarthan, http://codeposts.blogspot.com/2007/07/iphone-like-list-view.html Jul 30 01:35:52 milhouse: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA Jul 30 01:36:01 maybe he can help ya guys out Jul 30 01:37:04 unique311: is that not exactly how Kagu's list works? Jul 30 01:37:31 no Jul 30 01:37:35 it doesn't Jul 30 01:37:43 enlighten me. looks the same to me. Jul 30 01:38:02 ok you told me not to flick fast and i don't.. Jul 30 01:38:05 and it jumps.. Jul 30 01:38:35 when i say jump... Jul 30 01:38:49 i mean skips Jul 30 01:39:03 skips frames it looks like Jul 30 01:40:05 unique311: this is on an n800? Jul 30 01:40:32 yes Jul 30 01:40:42 guess i don't know how to flick yet Jul 30 01:40:57 sounds like you're having CPU load problems. Jul 30 01:41:05 anything running in the background? Jul 30 01:41:39 connected to my wire signal Jul 30 01:41:41 thats all Jul 30 01:41:56 shouldn't "skip" doesn't here. Jul 30 01:41:56 i can restart the device and try Jul 30 01:42:12 can you run `top` and see what's chewing up CPU? Jul 30 01:43:59 k Jul 30 01:44:19 i released kagu 1.0.1 to fix the pygame missing dependency. it will be available for pickup in extras repository in a few minutes Jul 30 01:45:37 clocking kagu at 14% Jul 30 01:45:54 that's it? Jul 30 01:46:08 can you try to press harder on the screen maybe? Jul 30 01:46:24 maemo-launcher at 8.6 Jul 30 01:46:30 I'm confused as to why you're having difficulty with this. :) Jul 30 01:47:06 kinetic scrolling is it? Jul 30 01:47:46 different name, same idea, yeah Jul 30 01:48:05 maybe what you're seeing is screen "tearing". Jul 30 01:48:07 guess i was a kinetic scroll virgin.. Jul 30 01:48:17 pressing on the screen is good Jul 30 01:48:23 that helps? Jul 30 01:48:26 yes Jul 30 01:48:42 ah. ok. thank you. I'll be sure to mention that first next time someone mentions it. Jul 30 01:49:03 I'm a little unhappy with how much pressure is required too. But I can't help that. :) Jul 30 01:49:59 still the video on that link, i'm not seeing the same type of scroll. seems cleaner in the video Jul 30 01:50:11 That's the tearing you're seeing. Jul 30 01:50:31 pygame tears on the n800 due to vsync issues. Same thing happens in canola. Jul 30 01:50:44 ok Jul 30 01:50:48 I think that's one of the reasons why the canola people are moving to evas. Jul 30 01:50:56 the guy is using python and edje Jul 30 01:51:04 edje = evas, I think Jul 30 01:51:37 k...so i guess you guys will get on the bandwagon after kagu gets notice more by the community Jul 30 01:51:59 BTW, I think I had "kinetic" or "inertial" scrolling in kagu before anyone else. But I'm slow to make releases (took about a month), so UKMP beat me to it. :) Jul 30 01:52:20 UKMP is not playing nice right now.. Jul 30 01:52:37 doesn't show all my tracks.. Jul 30 01:52:41 not sure if we'll go to edje or not. gotta play with it sometime. might stick with pygame for a while. Jul 30 01:52:52 yeah. it's a bit sloppy with sorting too. Jul 30 01:53:12 i saw the edge tutorial the canola guys posted, the code isn't neat and clean Jul 30 01:53:15 that's un-kagu :P Jul 30 01:53:31 un-kagu Jul 30 01:54:05 i'm kinda proud of the clean codebase trev accomplished Jul 30 01:54:29 What should we expect next major release of kagu? Jul 30 01:54:56 unique311: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/TTD Jul 30 01:55:03 from me: 1.) a song position view, 2.) maybe song position bookmarking for audio books. Jul 30 01:55:15 3.) hopefully lower memory usage Jul 30 01:55:36 coug cough, black theme Jul 30 01:55:41 4.) we need a theme developer so kagu doesn't look like crap. hopefully someone will step up. Jul 30 01:59:06 honestly, I probably never would have been motivated to do a 1.0 release without disq's help. :) Jul 30 01:59:27 I was avoiding the Makefile and debian dir like the plague for about a month. :) Jul 30 01:59:50 yeah. at first i was too Jul 30 02:01:17 the sprites.png Jul 30 02:02:02 thats the only thing that needs modification to change the theme? Jul 30 02:02:10 ? Jul 30 02:02:42 The rectangle regions are defined in the sqlite db too. Jul 30 02:03:00 so yeah, if you modify everything in place and don't change the width/height of anything, that's it. Jul 30 02:03:27 if you want to go farther than that, I can work with you and hopefully make it easier for future themers. Jul 30 02:03:59 yeah we'll have to implement a theme installer by the time we have more than a couple themes. hopefully Jul 30 02:04:05 I sent a long-ass email to one guy interested in theme development earlier in the week. think I scared him away. :) Jul 30 02:04:35 so, if we get community interest, I'm willing to do a 1.1 release based strictly on theme support. Jul 30 02:04:38 kagu 1.0.1 is out in the extras repository as of now, installing it should install all the required deps (pygame) Jul 30 02:05:29 rebooting (step 9) :) Jul 30 02:05:32 see if i can throw some stuff together.. Jul 30 02:05:49 and wouldn't you know, the battery on my n800 has gone from 3 bars to 1 Jul 30 02:05:53 ffs Jul 30 02:06:40 unique311: check the DB class in kagu-scanner.py if you need to modify the default rectangle regions. Jul 30 02:06:57 k Jul 30 02:07:09 don't think i will mess with that.. Jul 30 02:07:14 yet Jul 30 02:07:45 going to leave everything as is and try out a different color layour Jul 30 02:08:01 milhouse: I'm going to finally upgrade my firmware tonight to the latest, so I'll be reinstalling all that alsa-bluetooth crap too. I'll try to make things easier as I go. Jul 30 02:08:06 i'll let you see it when i get done Jul 30 02:08:12 change those arrows. Jul 30 02:08:13 <_Monkey> unique311: that doesn't look right Jul 30 02:08:24 hurrah - bt audio :) Jul 30 02:08:29 (step 10) Jul 30 02:08:44 unique311: you don't like my crappy arrow sprites?!? Jul 30 02:08:50 * trevarthan feels depressed Jul 30 02:08:56 your gradient usage is good..but could be better Jul 30 02:09:00 lol Jul 30 02:09:21 It's all _Monkey crap. fix it and I'll love you forever. Jul 30 02:09:49 now got bt audio via kagu - sweet :) Jul 30 02:10:08 when you can send me the email....hopefully it doesn't scare me away....unique11226@gmail.com Jul 30 02:10:15 hey check out the power saving features too. though i think they are seemless :P Jul 30 02:10:24 milhouse: let me know if you get any spontaneous reboots after using a2dp audio. I was getting some earlier today for the first time in quite a while. Jul 30 02:10:28 when the screen is off it stops updating/scrolling and resumes when it's on again Jul 30 02:10:52 the volume control scrolling is a bit tricky Jul 30 02:11:36 is there any way to change volume without clicking the bluetooth icon? Jul 30 02:11:37 milhouse: yeah, a slide bar probably makes more sense there. but the scroll widget was already implemented. Jul 30 02:11:47 milhouse: rockers on the top Jul 30 02:12:10 (you know, the usual volume buttons) Jul 30 02:12:22 ah yes :) Jul 30 02:12:31 i thought they may be forward/reverse Jul 30 02:12:42 nah, that's left/right on the dpad Jul 30 02:12:45 trevarthan, the color of the current theme...matches the actual birds colors..nice Jul 30 02:12:48 ta Jul 30 02:13:02 unique311: accidental, actually. :) Jul 30 02:13:06 "ta"? Jul 30 02:13:12 even better Jul 30 02:13:12 where are you from, milhouse? Jul 30 02:13:28 nothing like eating ramen at 5 in the morning Jul 30 02:14:10 right better go rechard this sucker before it dies on me and eats an sdhc card ;) Jul 30 02:14:31 maybe i can find a rare colored kagu Jul 30 02:14:35 s/rechard/recharge/ Jul 30 02:14:35 milhouse meant: right better go recharge this sucker before it dies on me and eats an sdhc card ;) Jul 30 02:19:15 have either of you guys got an iPhone? just so that you can rip off any good ideas :D Jul 30 02:21:21 can kagu start a2dpd if it's not running (and shut it down when exiting or exiting from bluetooth mode)? Jul 30 02:22:34 yeah Jul 30 02:22:50 that would be nice Jul 30 02:23:13 save me having to remember and start an xterm session Jul 30 02:23:14 :) Jul 30 02:23:14 it starts it up when you hit the a2dpd button. Jul 30 02:23:24 oh it does it already? cool Jul 30 02:23:43 yeah. I'm not sure what happens if it's already running, but it's probably not good. Jul 30 02:24:05 it seemed to work for me just now - i already had it running as i followed the instructions from the web site Jul 30 02:24:27 does it shut it down if it was started by kagu? Jul 30 02:24:32 yeah Jul 30 02:24:40 shuts down mplayer too, btw. Jul 30 02:24:53 defaults to using osso-media-player when not using a2dp. Jul 30 02:24:55 mine is still running after i exited from kagu, but then kagu didn't start it so maybe that's why Jul 30 02:25:11 a2dpd that is Jul 30 02:25:13 I'd shut kagu down, kill everything, then start it back up. Jul 30 02:25:14 trevarthan: osso-media-server to be precise Jul 30 02:25:22 righto. :) Jul 30 02:25:24 let me give that a try Jul 30 02:25:44 flashing my firmware now. weeee.... Jul 30 02:26:01 took me 5 minute to figure out that I had to be root to flash. geez. Jul 30 02:26:10 gtg Jul 30 02:26:12 bye fellows Jul 30 02:26:15 cya Jul 30 02:26:17 it was a nice weekend Jul 30 02:27:05 milhouse: you didn't get a spontaneous reboot when you exited kagu, did you? Jul 30 02:27:56 no Jul 30 02:28:12 and kagu just worked perfectly - started and stopped a2dpd/mplayer when needed. nice. Jul 30 02:28:26 no spontaneous reboots so far Jul 30 02:28:32 good. Jul 30 02:29:01 have you noticed that the scroll widget gets a little slower when playing back a2dp audio? Jul 30 02:29:19 yes, it's certainly less smooth Jul 30 02:29:33 yeah. a2dpd chews up too much cpu. Jul 30 02:29:44 figured as much Jul 30 02:30:26 so neither of you has an iphone? Jul 30 02:31:47 it shocked me when they said that the iphone uses the ARM arch. Jul 30 02:31:58 what else would it use? Jul 30 02:32:10 not much out there that can beat it Jul 30 02:32:12 milhouse, there are different archs Jul 30 02:32:14 right now Jul 30 02:32:15 nah. you wanna ship me one? Jul 30 02:32:35 trevarthan: not via London :) Jul 30 02:32:44 erstazi: sure - but which are better? Jul 30 02:33:10 milhouse, I don't have an opinion on that, not qualified in that field Jul 30 02:33:22 erstazi: so why were you shocked? Jul 30 02:33:22 so far I would say the ARM arch is very nice Jul 30 02:33:31 milhouse, just there are other archs Jul 30 02:34:44 anyone notice that double click *never* works in the control panel? Jul 30 02:34:53 there's a bug discussing that Jul 30 02:35:10 hang on... some justification for it along the lines it's a list Jul 30 02:36:40 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082 Jul 30 02:37:19 now i understand that, it makes it easier to use - not sure that makes it right though, and it's a tough job convincing Nokia that it sucks. Jul 30 02:38:38 I don't mind double click, but usually it's like a tripple or quadruple click for me. two never does it. Jul 30 02:39:32 new firmware seems a lot more responsive to button clicks and such Jul 30 02:39:55 that's the touchscreen upgrades, I guess? Jul 30 02:40:40 unique311: new video of ps1 on gp2x - great framerates...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhe-uSMSMLA Jul 30 02:41:03 well, with Apple now shipping computers with Intel's processors, you would think that they could have went with 8051,... but there are at least 8 or more different archs that are embedded archs Jul 30 02:41:59 didn't Intel purchase ARM a few years back? Jul 30 02:41:59 fast Jul 30 02:42:10 cesman, possible Jul 30 02:42:24 they purchased a license for the architecture, afaik Jul 30 02:43:17 unique311: have you tried pcsx on ubuntu? (it's a simple apt-get) i can't figure out how to use freakin keyboard controls Jul 30 02:43:30 the only plugins it comes with are for joystick controllers Jul 30 02:43:39 hmmm.... new firmware isn't letting me install kagu or python 2.5. says I need libsdl and libglade and some other stuff. Jul 30 02:43:55 that is pretty fast! Jul 30 02:44:28 i doubt if the P.E.op.S soft GPU plugin will give that result Jul 30 02:44:40 again... I hope the next IT is the offspring of the GP2x and the 800... Jul 30 02:45:06 nokia get opengl going on the N800 Jul 30 02:45:17 won't need a next IT Jul 30 02:45:30 BUY THE FREAKING LICENSE... Jul 30 02:45:40 lol Jul 30 02:46:09 scared the monkey Jul 30 02:47:08 on power management ARM is still ahead Jul 30 02:47:15 maybe he finally snuck up on milhouse and clubbed him with a banana Jul 30 02:47:33 unique still working through the errors on the peopls plugin Jul 30 02:47:46 trevarthan: did you try the auto-install thingy? Jul 30 02:47:50 python 2.5 install from pymaemo project works, but not the one on garage. needs another repo.... Jul 30 02:48:18 can't provide more than one repo with .install files Jul 30 02:48:30 yeah Jul 30 02:48:31 Intel acquired the StrongARM division from DEC... they didn't buy ARM Jul 30 02:48:52 and while there are other architectures, few can touch the maturity of ARM Jul 30 02:49:04 strongarm's a funny name. like vnc flavors (strongvnc, tightvnc, realvnc, and some more) Jul 30 02:49:10 and x86 ain't nowhere close in terms of power management Jul 30 02:49:17 disq: can we put a disclaimer on the maemo.org download page somewhere stating that python 2.5 is required from the pymaemo site first? Jul 30 02:49:43 trevarthan: we could write a installation.txt and put it up in the release dir? Jul 30 02:49:44 x86 is horrible with power consumption Jul 30 02:49:50 And Intel have now offloaded their ARM division to Marvell Jul 30 02:50:12 disq: how would people view it? Jul 30 02:50:12 but it will improve with the 45nm chips (they're not full x86, kind of like Pentium M's again) Jul 30 02:50:29 trevarthan: they'd have to be looking for it :) Jul 30 02:50:38 garage is limiting that way Jul 30 02:50:46 I seriously believe Intel have the skill to get "x86" down to ARM power levels Jul 30 02:50:49 the project description can't exceed 250 characters Jul 30 02:51:03 disq: nm then. that's not worth doing... Jul 30 02:51:10 milhouse: there are reasons it's not there yet Jul 30 02:51:31 quite... but the chips are coming that go one step further to competing head on with ARM Jul 30 02:51:36 maybe not the next generation... Jul 30 02:51:39 trevarthan: but it won't install python2.5 from the garage then it's another pymaemo BS Jul 30 02:51:49 x86 SUCKS Jul 30 02:51:58 disq: BS? Jul 30 02:51:58 it's actually evil Jul 30 02:52:01 I suspect the chips coming in mid 2008 will still be at least one order of magnitude less efficient than ARM Jul 30 02:52:09 trevarthan: bull crap :) Jul 30 02:52:32 mm it's there in the bora repository though: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/ Jul 30 02:52:39 disq: oh well. not our fault python 2.5's installer sucks. Jul 30 02:54:55 disq: install went very smoothly with bare new firmware besides the python 2.5 issue. Jul 30 02:55:09 osso-media-server rocks! Jul 30 02:55:30 closed source software don't rock :P Jul 30 02:56:18 eh? I don't really care so long as it ships with the n800 and doesn't crash. we could force everyone to use mplayer... but why? Jul 30 02:56:29 trevarthan: btw, using mplayer, receiving a voip call pauses, and ending a voip call resumes playback. with osso-media-server it won't resume after the call ends Jul 30 02:56:44 ah Jul 30 02:56:50 fixable? Jul 30 02:57:00 because we can't track states precisely (seen my commented code in ossoplayer::_interrupt()? ) Jul 30 02:57:13 new touchscreen driver feels much more responsive with kagu. Jul 30 02:57:31 I skimmed it. Didn't read too hard. Jul 30 02:58:29 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=979&group_id=40&atid=229 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 30 02:59:57 2007