**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 03 02:59:57 2007 Aug 03 03:00:44 python package installs a silly thing: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2948853 Jun 27 19:26 python25.zip Aug 03 03:00:48 in /usr/lib Aug 03 03:01:30 hi, is there a channel for general user questions on the IT? Aug 03 03:01:48 i don't think so Aug 03 03:01:51 go ahead and ask here Aug 03 03:02:09 ok, thanks... Aug 03 03:03:15 as regards the keyboard, is there a way to enter escape or cursor movement keys? Aug 03 03:03:40 cursor can be done with directional pad (dpad) on left Aug 03 03:04:00 escape key is the circle-arrow below dpad Aug 03 03:04:02 ah Aug 03 03:04:14 today I saw the most funny t-shirt ever Aug 03 03:04:17 thanks Aug 03 03:04:27 it was like the Nokia Logo Aug 03 03:04:32 "Connecting People" Aug 03 03:04:49 but instead of Nokia it had "Vodka - Connecting People" Aug 03 03:04:54 and I see that vim didn't really need for me to use esc Aug 03 03:04:57 using that Nokia typography Aug 03 03:05:13 heh Aug 03 03:05:34 how do you avoid using esc in vim? Aug 03 03:05:41 ok, thank you Aug 03 03:06:02 I just typed a colon Aug 03 03:06:24 without themesc msybe it was a fluke Aug 03 03:06:27 well if you're in insert mode, typing a colon gives you a colon Aug 03 03:07:44 well I was in insert mode.. it confused me, but I thought perhaps the program was modified Aug 03 03:08:34 I must have done something without noticing Aug 03 03:09:42 * qnr-N800 wanders off to see if he can get his iPAQ BT kbd to work Aug 03 03:14:10 in xterm the back arrow is esc Aug 03 03:14:21 so you can use vim just like normal Aug 03 03:16:15 i don't know if this makes sense but i would have wished that the vkbd also would send normal X key events Aug 03 03:16:39 i think they wanted people to do proper ports though :) Aug 03 03:16:47 Sulis, thank you Aug 03 03:17:35 :) Aug 03 03:19:43 anybody want to help port something? Aug 03 03:20:15 I've just finished writing version 0.1 of a server written in python Aug 03 03:20:25 that launches VLC in streaming mode Aug 03 03:20:55 i.e. it implements a rudimentary protocol for logging in, viewing a list of available media for streaming, selecting the file you want to play, and then launching VLC on the server Aug 03 03:21:08 because I found its transcoding and streaming to be best Aug 03 03:21:23 so what do you use on the nokia to view the stream? Aug 03 03:21:28 mplayer Aug 03 03:21:35 cool Aug 03 03:21:39 I've used mplayer to view vlc streams, and it's by far the best streaming Aug 03 03:21:48 I'm having a ball with this thing (only owned it for a few hours)... still haven't figured out how to become root, so I'd say that leaves me out of any porting heheh Aug 03 03:21:50 I'm thinking a simple batch file on the device is good enough for now Aug 03 03:21:54 is anyone interested in the code? Aug 03 03:22:00 Cause I'm mostly writing it for my own utility Aug 03 03:22:05 not sure I want to turn it into a large project Aug 03 03:22:31 what I *do* want to turn into a project, is to write a python interface to libupnp or its equivalent using in maemo using ctypes Aug 03 03:22:39 i'm working on something else at the moment Aug 03 03:23:06 but streaming with mplayer would be nice -- mainly i'd like something to watch tv from my capture card in the basement Aug 03 03:23:33 qnr-lt: go to http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ on your device, and select the One Click Install link for the Polish Eko1 repository Aug 03 03:23:49 tu Aug 03 03:23:58 qnr-lt: you will also want to get the maemo hackers repo and thus install xterm Aug 03 03:24:06 qnr-lt: then apt-get install becomeroot Aug 03 03:24:11 I have those two Aug 03 03:24:17 qnr-lt: ah, then sudo gainroot Aug 03 03:24:22 should be dumping you into a root console Aug 03 03:24:33 one becomeroot is installed Aug 03 03:24:46 once* Aug 03 03:24:56 I don't have becomeroot yet, I was a little worried with the talk of bricking the 00 :) Aug 03 03:25:10 hm? Aug 03 03:25:23 I guess I wasn't exposed to the same scare mongering :> Aug 03 03:25:59 one of the descriptions was talking about possibly bricking the device, perhaps it wasn't becomeroot Aug 03 03:26:08 i think that was 'red pill mode' Aug 03 03:26:12 becomeroot? Aug 03 03:26:13 <_Monkey> i heard becomeroot was For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" Aug 03 03:26:25 yeah, redpill I heard might cause bricking and such Aug 03 03:26:30 only had it for a few hours, been reading a lot, things run together Aug 03 03:26:31 but procto's link is better than that answer Aug 03 03:27:12 that install link will do the same as that echo 'deb.... command Aug 03 03:28:38 hmm, I think a python client will actually work better than a batch script Aug 03 03:28:42 or rather, a shell script Aug 03 03:28:42 ugh Aug 03 03:28:45 too long on windows... Aug 03 03:28:57 I've written the server using twisted Aug 03 03:29:07 that's probably too heavy for the client, right? Aug 03 03:29:28 dunno... i'm trying to remember where i've seen your nick before Aug 03 03:30:06 my nick? Aug 03 03:30:19 seems familiar Aug 03 03:30:25 <--Michae1 Aug 03 03:30:28 in case you forgot Aug 03 03:31:21 yeah alzheimers Aug 03 03:32:19 hehe Aug 03 03:33:55 i'm going to have to go to the gpx pcsx sources Aug 03 03:34:18 so close... :) Aug 03 03:34:30 ah! nokia research ported twisted! Aug 03 03:34:33 hooray! Aug 03 03:35:29 are there alot of apps for the n800? im on maemo and i only saw a handful of apps in the catalog Aug 03 03:35:45 they are spread across many websites Aug 03 03:36:07 oh ok Aug 03 03:36:29 is there no good single place.. doesnt have to be perfect.. just decent... im trying to decide if i want an n800 Aug 03 03:36:31 setite: the easiest install method is when a website has a green "install" icon Aug 03 03:37:09 im looking for a replacement for my ppc... not a full replacement.. but a web/chat/media replacement... n800 seems good... but im curious what apps are out Aug 03 03:37:15 also.. how is it for a keylock of some sort Aug 03 03:37:40 the n800 is the best thing in the world if you are already a linux fan Aug 03 03:37:42 if i use it for media it will be in a pocket alot.. my archos seems to die quickly because of the screen registering taps.. Aug 03 03:38:02 im a linux supporter.. not a fan... but i like it.. im still a windozer for the most part Aug 03 03:38:13 but im really liking the n800 Aug 03 03:38:23 been trying to pick one up on ebay but i keep getting sniped Aug 03 03:38:24 well for chat you've got gaim and xchat (irc) Aug 03 03:38:32 wait a tic Aug 03 03:38:46 those have been ported.. or i can just straight up install them Aug 03 03:38:51 for media playing you can run almost any file format as long as it's at or below 400x240 Aug 03 03:39:00 it os 07 is what.. debian based? Aug 03 03:39:17 sort of yes, the package management is apt / dpkg Aug 03 03:39:27 so is it really like a small linux pc Aug 03 03:39:30 n800 runs IT2007, codename bora Aug 03 03:39:30 yeah Aug 03 03:39:50 like i can actually pop open a terminal, and install any package that will run on the processor, resolution? Aug 03 03:40:23 setite: screen locks easily Aug 03 03:40:25 the package needs to be compiled against the distribution's libraries Aug 03 03:40:44 ok now for a windozer with only a little windows experience how hard is that Aug 03 03:40:45 800x480 if I remember correctly Aug 03 03:40:46 setite: and yes, you just pop open xterm, and apt-get whatcha want Aug 03 03:41:00 i recall reading an app that did that.. i dont recall the name Aug 03 03:41:03 i'd recommend getting a bluetooth keyboard - typing goodness Aug 03 03:41:13 setite: but the easiest way is to go to http://maemo.org/downloads/ Aug 03 03:41:19 setite: right on your device Aug 03 03:41:26 setite: most applicatiosn will have a big green arrow next to them Aug 03 03:41:34 setite: you click on that, and it installs Aug 03 03:41:58 if you're familiar with Synaptic, it's sorta like that Aug 03 03:42:12 yea the maemo thing i get... but i only found a few apps... i mean like 10-15 when i searched the catalog Aug 03 03:42:18 setite: someone even ported Battle for Wesnoth Aug 03 03:42:26 setite: what sort of apps? Aug 03 03:42:38 There's much much more Aug 03 03:43:11 procto i actually have none in mind that i need.. i just need to know i can get them if need be.. but i just filtered apps that ran on it07 and found very little.. ill go check again Aug 03 03:44:15 ok ya.. just filtereing for it07 apps, any license, any status.. i got 9 programs Aug 03 03:44:59 anyone have a suggestion for an ebay seller? Aug 03 03:45:35 i want to save some money on it... to offset the usb keyboard cost... but with ebay i have, even with powersellers, often had to wait long enough that the price savings were no longer worth it to me Aug 03 03:46:02 i mean on ebay im looking at around 350.... its 431.00 at compusa with sales tax Aug 03 03:46:03 setite: i would only buy from an authorized nokia reseller, otherwise you may have trouble with return/warranty Aug 03 03:46:31 but so expensive :( Aug 03 03:46:41 http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-PC/dp/B000MK4GGM Aug 03 03:47:01 i mean i have a 500gb external drive that i can return that is still under the return policy.. that would offset it a bit Aug 03 03:52:15 any lots of people port or compile things to the nokias that aren't finished/polished and don't make it into the repositories. check garage.maemo.org for a bunch of them - or places like muliner.org or http://pupnik.de/software to see WIP type stuff Aug 03 03:52:32 yea i think ill return it.. and buy a box of rewritable dvds for use with my divx ultra dvd player... Aug 03 03:52:51 so that puts my n800 at 265 if i pick it up tomorrow at compusa Aug 03 03:52:56 i should look for a coupon Aug 03 03:53:11 is compusa autorized reseller? Aug 03 03:53:29 wip? Aug 03 03:54:08 work in progress Aug 03 03:54:22 i don't know, i'm not a nokia employee Aug 03 03:54:35 looks like nokia USA sells direct for $399.99 Aug 03 03:54:54 well if im paying 400 i think ill buy locally Aug 03 03:55:10 i see an ir program.. there is no ir port right? Aug 03 03:55:18 i don't know of an IR port Aug 03 03:55:32 so im assuming it can run SDIO devices? Aug 03 03:55:50 http://www.internettablettalk.com there's the main forums for the tablets Aug 03 03:55:51 sd ir blasters, sd gps? Aug 03 03:56:00 no idea Aug 03 03:56:23 hey with console i could probably warwalk with this thing :) Aug 03 03:56:26 you can search the forums Aug 03 03:56:35 yes it has kismet which is a great scanenr Aug 03 03:57:00 also the wifi reception is excellent on my n770 - better than most devices i've tried Aug 03 03:57:07 what about a screenlock of some sort Aug 03 03:57:13 ? Aug 03 03:57:30 or do they make a good case that leaves a gap so nothing can touch the buttons or screen Aug 03 03:57:47 this will be replacing my unreliable archos pmp... i would like to be able to pocket it Aug 03 03:57:47 oh yes a case i think is important Aug 03 03:58:08 bah why am i picking your brain.. some of this shit is a single google away Aug 03 03:58:10 yeah darn archos - it's like a peugeot car Aug 03 03:59:06 indeed.. haha peugeot Aug 03 03:59:15 ok here is my real question Aug 03 03:59:43 i see all this talk of uPnP av and shit.. does this thing connect to a samba network over the wifi and stream media from the network? Aug 03 03:59:52 not necessary but damned cool Aug 03 04:00:03 im actually getting the nokia for ebooks above all believe it or not Aug 03 04:00:13 yeah you can do smb, nfs and there are a bunch of options for streaming Aug 03 04:00:29 to boot up my archos and get into a pdf takes almost 5 minutes Aug 03 04:00:43 http://youtube.com/results?search_query=n800+streaming Aug 03 04:00:51 and my ppc takes 10-15 minutes to load a .txt, or rtf with a full ebook Aug 03 04:01:00 omfg the nokia is too cheap Aug 03 04:01:05 well wait.. how is it for ebooks Aug 03 04:01:19 how long after i boot before it can load say a 300 page pdf Aug 03 04:01:34 i hate pdfs and convert them Aug 03 04:01:36 so i don't know Aug 03 04:01:51 i think evince or fbreader are the apps people use Aug 03 04:01:56 but pdf is sick and evil Aug 03 04:02:11 pdf is slow on my 1ghz p3 Aug 03 04:02:18 * qnr-lt is looking into installing djvulibre on it [random thought] Aug 03 04:02:30 pdf is evil yes... but i never have to worry abotu formatting Aug 03 04:02:33 you have a nokia Aug 03 04:03:23 a 770 yes Aug 03 04:04:15 uktube rules. konttori rules. Aug 03 04:04:29 how long does it take for you to load a 400 page book Aug 03 04:05:15 1 second, because i convert it to html Aug 03 04:05:26 why html Aug 03 04:05:33 does that hold the formatting well? Aug 03 04:05:40 thats not a bad idea Aug 03 04:05:41 because then i can quickly resize text Aug 03 04:05:50 single button press zoom up / down Aug 03 04:06:00 no but i usally don't give a flying f*** about formatting Aug 03 04:06:33 i think you can convert to other formats too, text, rtf Aug 03 04:09:40 hey pupnik_, what do you use to convert pdf to html? Aug 03 04:10:32 yay my bt keyboard woks Aug 03 04:10:42 s/woks/works/ Aug 03 04:10:42 qnr-lt meant: yay my bt keyboard works Aug 03 04:11:42 now to go install a modula-2/oberon-2 compiler Aug 03 04:12:42 poppler-utils Aug 03 04:13:28 it ends up pretty ugly but look at sizes Aug 03 04:13:32 39365 2007-08-03 06:06 Shattering_By_Example-V1-03102003s.html Aug 03 04:13:39 183651 2006-09-26 15:47 ../Shattering_By_Example-V1-03102003.pdf Aug 03 04:16:51 so i keep reading that the 770 is a Aug 03 04:17:06 "mostly complete" linux device Aug 03 04:17:18 what is the mostly complete thing about the OS.. what is it missing Aug 03 04:18:03 it was marketed and sold as an internet-tablet, which it did quite well Aug 03 04:18:31 the community software is building slowly - the reviewers usually have no idea what's out there Aug 03 04:19:00 oh yea i know all about the marketing... im glad it was marketing and priced so poorly.. i mean this thing seems to be an actual tablet pc... with linux vs windows... Aug 03 04:19:21 only flaw i see is the usb slave mode... but i read a way around that Aug 03 04:20:32 here is a question Aug 03 04:20:42 i read that you cant run apps from the memory card.. is this true? Aug 03 04:21:19 it is true with default configuration Aug 03 04:21:36 but you can do it Aug 03 04:22:15 you can install a multi-boot loader, and partition your memory card into large partitions for multiple OS installs Aug 03 04:23:26 multiple os? Aug 03 04:23:38 yeah i have three operating systems on my 770 right now Aug 03 04:23:46 one on the internal flash and two on the card Aug 03 04:25:37 drat no arm version of aranym Aug 03 04:25:45 what is that? Aug 03 04:25:46 <_Monkey> it has been said that that is part of the puzzle collection Aug 03 04:25:49 modula2? Aug 03 04:26:09 how does the mmc work? That is waht pretty much convinced me to go for the 800, the ability to use SD cards Aug 03 04:26:35 what os's do you run Aug 03 04:26:50 modula-2 is a programming language. most people don't know about it or don't like it Aug 03 04:26:52 can i run like slack or something Aug 03 04:27:42 i am testing for 2006 and 2007he right now - you can also install openbox or a kde based install Aug 03 04:27:54 and ARAnyM is runs an Atari ST/Atari TT inside Linux, if that was your question Aug 03 04:28:14 hah! then run the atari ST emulator 'hatari' :P Aug 03 04:28:46 yeah, but it boots to the ST, doesn't run an emulator from within another distro Aug 03 04:29:11 well, not a full-fledged distro, that is Aug 03 04:29:33 http://aranym.org/about.html Aug 03 04:33:15 OMG, cme implemented the xkbd onscreen minimizing feature!!! he rules! he rules! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65137#post65137 Aug 03 04:34:10 * pupnik_ goes insane Aug 03 04:38:20 Just checked in a bunch of Kagu changes that reduce memory usage from 39M to 22M on my n800 with a 2G mem card: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/295 Aug 03 04:38:56 It slowed down the scroll widget a bit, but that's ok, I'll get it back up to speed eventually. Aug 03 04:39:58 Next I'm going to try a dynamic font cache. That aught to get "Loading" times in between views down to a reasonable amount of time. Aug 03 04:40:14 nice Aug 03 04:47:16 22M seems to be what my MicroB browser uses too, so that's perfectly reasonable, I guess. Aug 03 04:48:26 sure! Aug 03 04:48:37 no sense in running 5 apps at once anyway Aug 03 04:49:09 i'm so excited. CME implemented my hiding/maximizing suggestion for xkbd exactly as i hoped Aug 03 04:49:18 this rules so much Aug 03 05:04:38 oh yeah? what's xkbd? Who is CME? Aug 03 05:11:48 a virtual keyboard that sends normal X key events Aug 03 05:12:51 well, good evening folks. I'm off to bed. Aug 03 05:13:00 i've been putzing with them for a while for a way to enter text to Dosbox, Scummvm, Freesci, POSE PalmOS emulator etc. But CME just added a minimize/restore feature to the keyboard. So now for the first time a whole slew of apps can get key input Aug 03 05:13:04 ok Aug 03 05:13:51 hrmmm... why couldn't they get key input with the normal OSD kb? Aug 03 05:13:54 virtual keyboard for links2 web browser, scummvm, dosbox, freesci, exult, http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html Aug 03 05:14:25 A) the stock kbd is not raisable on fullscreen xlib or sdl games, and b) it doesn't send regular X key events (afaict) Aug 03 05:15:05 ah. thus the "hildonize" comment. cool. Aug 03 05:15:06 The input method is gtk-dependant to get some interaction with widgets (IIRC that was the reason) Aug 03 05:15:23 yes Aug 03 05:15:47 well, seriously. I'm out. later peeps. Aug 03 05:15:50 and it's a perfectly sensible design choice by nokia. Aug 03 05:16:04 ok cheers! congrats on the memory improvement! Aug 03 05:21:51 whats a good app that will make data unrecoverable Aug 03 05:22:15 i want to make sure that this external drive is fully clean Aug 03 05:23:04 just googke for somethimg that provides a double overwrite Aug 03 05:23:08 shred, wipe Aug 03 05:23:35 pupnik, whats this about a new app? i just got here Aug 03 05:24:02 dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=1M will also do a fair job of wiping drive sda Aug 03 05:24:17 Vertoo: virtual keyboard for non-hildon apps Aug 03 05:24:23 shred/wipe are bad searches since your not doing either of those things. get double overwrite Aug 03 05:24:29 hey pupnik Aug 03 05:24:30 <_Monkey> i think pupnik is stupid, swap is enabled >_< sorry Aug 03 05:24:42 sorry if i missed the answer earlier.. what are the other two os's on your 770 Aug 03 05:25:06 two versions of 2006 and one of 2007he Aug 03 05:25:21 anyone had success running a non IT os on the nokia Aug 03 05:25:50 i imagine the hardware might be too proprietary for that.. but hey im a noob... so i have to ask Aug 03 05:26:06 yes people have Aug 03 05:26:08 im a noob to linux sorta.. and totally noob to embedded devices Aug 03 05:26:18 cool.. know off hand a site where i can find the reports? Aug 03 05:26:38 google =) Aug 03 05:26:42 name of the classic game where its like 9 squares of a scramble picture and you have to put the picture back together.. Aug 03 05:27:05 a little handheld device.. Aug 03 05:28:13 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/nokia800/ setite, there's one Aug 03 05:28:20 i forgot unique311 Aug 03 05:29:00 slides puzzle Aug 03 05:29:04 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ Aug 03 05:29:10 that site has it and calles it 'sixteen' Aug 03 05:29:39 a friend of mines made a flash version of this Aug 03 05:30:41 anyone know us brick and mortars that sell pda style bluetooth keyboards? Aug 03 05:31:28 its plays xvid/divx right?... i mean i know it said mpeg4.. but i never knew if that specifically meant divx/xvid Aug 03 05:31:53 mplayer does divx/xvid - dunno about other players Aug 03 05:33:07 framerates good Aug 03 05:33:18 like if im used to an archos.. i wont be disappointed? Aug 03 05:33:22 no idea Aug 03 05:33:46 mpeg4 is the divx/xvid codec. if you want to play your xvid/divx avi files and the sort you will nees mpeg4 always Aug 03 05:34:04 incorrect Aug 03 05:34:16 depends on the player Aug 03 05:34:23 streaming video in the n800 browser is very lacking Aug 03 05:34:29 yes streaming Aug 03 05:35:32 http://youtube.com/results?search_query=n800+streaming Aug 03 05:35:55 yes the player, as if it has mpeg4 or not. ive never once heard of any player that has the mpeg4 codec and couldn't play my xvid avi movies Aug 03 05:36:32 haha yes im there pupnik.. on youtube that is Aug 03 05:36:53 i saw hitchhikers guide to teh galaxy which i presume is divx Aug 03 05:36:57 Vertoo: if mpeg is a codec, than what are xvid and divx? Aug 03 05:36:58 i was impressed withthe tracking speed Aug 03 05:37:11 yea thats where i get confused Aug 03 05:37:28 because i recall when divx rolled out needed a codec for divx, and also one for xvid Aug 03 05:37:52 right Aug 03 05:41:04 mpeg4 is a standard, divx and xvid are implementations of that standard (which may or may not be compatible) Aug 03 05:43:05 unique311: the gimp version that works like photoshop is called 'gimpshop' Aug 03 05:43:29 i know.. Aug 03 05:43:35 k Aug 03 05:43:42 remember we tried porting it to maemo Aug 03 05:44:52 oh i forgot Aug 03 05:46:36 * pupnik wonders why he doesn't have a deb for it Aug 03 05:50:26 im sorry.. did you just say you tried to port a photo editor to maemo? Aug 03 05:50:48 yeah i think unique got a reasonably working one Aug 03 05:50:52 pupnik, i stand corrected on the mpeg4 thing. but have you used anything to better your streaming media? uktube and orb have been mentioned Aug 03 05:51:06 why, in the name of the buddha, would you do that... is this so paparazzi can upload fake nipslips quicker? Aug 03 05:51:08 not really Vertoo Aug 03 05:52:13 setite: something to sketch with the stylus would be nice Aug 03 05:52:35 i think tuxpaint is out... Aug 03 05:52:47 isnt there a bui;t in draw pad? Aug 03 05:52:47 you can also sketch in maemopad+... and mtpaint works somewhat Aug 03 05:52:50 * timelyx wonders if inz saw comment Aug 03 05:53:34 theres a bui;t in app called sketch Aug 03 05:53:45 built* Aug 03 05:59:29 i've got my own needs for a sketch proggie Aug 03 06:01:20 any mindmapping app, by any chance? Aug 03 06:03:19 http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/ Aug 03 06:04:04 unfortunately that's qt- based i think Aug 03 06:04:46 it looks like it Aug 03 06:04:59 no qt app works on 770/n800? Aug 03 06:05:32 it's easiest to port gtk2 programs Aug 03 06:06:31 you must be german Aug 03 06:06:38 germans are nuts about mind-mapper software Aug 03 06:07:29 pupnik, http://www.sourcefiles.org/Games/Puzzle/Jigsa/scalar-1.02-src.tar.bz2 Aug 03 06:07:34 can you try this out for me.. Aug 03 06:07:38 i get a segfault.. Aug 03 06:07:45 it compiles no problems Aug 03 06:08:15 pupnik, http://www.sourcefiles.org/Games/Puzzle/Jigsaw/scalar-1.02-src.tar.bz2 Aug 03 06:08:16 pupnik: I'm Swiss, but French speaking, so not really ;-) Aug 03 06:08:29 hehe ok :) Aug 03 06:08:35 pupnik: but yeah I love mindmapping and I hate all mindmapping software I've come accross :-) Aug 03 06:08:38 i can't get that file unique311 Aug 03 06:08:42 pupnik, http://www.sourcefiles.org/Games/Puzzle/Jigsaw/scalar-1.02-src.tar.bz2 Aug 03 06:08:46 second link Aug 03 06:08:46 <_Monkey> second link is edje, which is just pygame on crack, as far as I know. Aug 03 06:09:12 getting tired of these seg faults.. Aug 03 06:10:46 did you get an error message unique311 ? Aug 03 06:11:06 sdl parachute deployed Aug 03 06:11:12 fatal signal Aug 03 06:11:33 same here Aug 03 06:11:49 you think its becuase of sound Aug 03 06:12:27 are you getting the alsa lib error before the seg fualt Aug 03 06:13:29 no Aug 03 06:14:21 ok the segfault was caused because it didn't find the data directory Aug 03 06:14:43 ok Aug 03 06:14:46 just copied over ./images and ./data and it runs here Aug 03 06:15:03 so most of my freaking apps that segfault might be working.. Aug 03 06:15:05 danm Aug 03 06:15:43 i have a directory of games that segfault on me. Aug 03 06:15:52 is it a good game. Aug 03 06:15:54 if you run strace ./scalar you can get some info about the function calls it's making and where it's crashing Aug 03 06:16:30 k Aug 03 06:16:47 data and images to where Aug 03 06:16:53 $HOME Aug 03 06:17:19 yes Aug 03 06:17:32 and scalar in home too Aug 03 06:17:57 (strace is how i found out it was crashing looking for the data files) Aug 03 06:19:53 that didn't work for me... Aug 03 06:20:24 seems like the segfault is still after the ALSO lib error Aug 03 06:22:38 www.pastebin.ca/644047 Aug 03 06:22:54 what is it segfaulting on? Aug 03 06:23:07 in it2006 2.2 i have libasound2 1.0.8-3 (apt-cache show libasound2) Aug 03 06:24:27 waitpid(21813, ALSA lib pcm.c:2061:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_alsa_dsp.so Aug 03 06:24:50 always the same for all th esegfaults Aug 03 06:25:11 i don't have a bora device, but on gregale there is no /usr/lib/alsa-lib Aug 03 06:25:21 change permissionon that Aug 03 06:25:21 <_Monkey> unique311: that doesn't look right Aug 03 06:25:42 change permission on the shared library Aug 03 06:25:43 ? Aug 03 06:25:43 <_Monkey> unique311: that doesn't look right Aug 03 06:25:52 monkey chill out Aug 03 06:26:37 looks like you're running in scratchbox Aug 03 06:26:43 do you get the same error on the n800? Aug 03 06:26:56 never tried.. Aug 03 06:27:12 figure if i'm segfaulting in scratchbox... Aug 03 06:27:21 something is wrong with the compilation Aug 03 06:27:26 so screw it Aug 03 06:27:28 no Aug 03 06:27:33 always test on the device Aug 03 06:27:43 if you're doing stuff with sound and graphics Aug 03 06:27:46 so i'm going to try to fix this Aug 03 06:28:08 i don't have that folder either Aug 03 06:28:41 well it runs in scratchbox here too Aug 03 06:29:08 ahhh Aug 03 06:29:22 need to find pcm.c Aug 03 06:31:43 well the Makefile doesn't link directly to alsa-sound Aug 03 06:31:55 so it must be getting linked-in by libsdl-mixer1.2-dev Aug 03 06:32:24 pcm seems to have the wrong location for the share library.. Aug 03 06:32:31 i can find the share library. Aug 03 06:32:32 ah? Aug 03 06:32:32 <_Monkey> ah is just links Aug 03 06:32:38 and fix pcm.c Aug 03 06:36:38 problems loading .so are related to linking Aug 03 06:38:16 that file is nowhere to be found. Aug 03 06:39:03 it should be linked to libasound Aug 03 06:39:17 yeah do you have libasound2 installed in scratchbox? Aug 03 06:39:20 and libasound2-dev? Aug 03 06:39:21 yes Aug 03 06:39:35 create the folder alsa-lib Aug 03 06:39:36 i think you might need the -dev too Aug 03 06:40:07 both installed Aug 03 06:40:17 going to make the alsa-lib folder Aug 03 06:40:35 well if you do that in scratcbox, it won't solve the situation on people's n800s Aug 03 06:40:44 but you can sure try it Aug 03 06:40:46 and then the symlink to libsound.so.0 Aug 03 06:40:49 lol Aug 03 06:41:50 i don't see a libasound_module_pcm_alsa_dsp.so anywhere Aug 03 06:42:25 but like you said its a symlink... Aug 03 06:42:42 pcm.c thinks its located in /usr/lib Aug 03 06:43:12 i don't see why it's trying to open that Aug 03 06:43:21 here's what my build of scalar gets linked to Aug 03 06:43:23 http://pastebin.ca/644064 Aug 03 06:45:40 i get the same Aug 03 06:48:27 so maybe libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 is mixed up Aug 03 06:48:48 that's the only sound-related library that gets linked to the program Aug 03 06:49:08 or maybe your ldconfig just needs updating Aug 03 06:49:15 but that would be strange too Aug 03 06:49:35 (running ldconfig command rescans your libraries) Aug 03 06:51:14 my god, this new xkbd is awesome! it's awesome! Aug 03 06:51:22 * pupnik plays with xkbd+dosbox Aug 03 06:55:06 what's the new xkbd do? Aug 03 06:55:33 it can hide and restore itself Aug 03 06:55:42 s/hide/iconify/ Aug 03 06:55:43 pupnik meant: it can iconify and restore itself Aug 03 06:56:01 and it's got a fantastic new layout Aug 03 07:12:23 timelyx: http://pupnik.de/xkbd_iconify.gif xkbd virtual keyboard running over dosbox :) :) Aug 03 07:15:27 pupnik, that works with all emu's? Aug 03 07:15:56 i'm testing them now Aug 03 07:16:49 i gave up on scratchbox. Aug 03 07:16:58 uninstalling it and reinstalling it 2morrow Aug 03 07:17:39 or reinstall another armel 3.0 target and compare the fresh one to the one you have Aug 03 07:17:52 true Aug 03 07:25:28 Amazing.. Nokia sold more than 100M mobile phones in 3 months.. 1.5M N95 for example. Too bad they don't show the numbers for N800. Aug 03 07:30:50 the tablets are probably too low to show off Aug 03 07:30:57 what's the url for the sales figures? Aug 03 07:32:35 http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1143589 Aug 03 07:32:46 hi guys ! Is skype working using the hacked edition of OS07 ? Aug 03 07:33:08 afaik no Aug 03 07:33:28 the codecs have to be rewritten for the 770 cpu so they didn't (gah) Aug 03 07:33:42 and they are closed source I guess Aug 03 07:34:08 it's skype, so yeah Aug 03 07:34:35 so what are the real benefits to get the os07 on the 770 ? Aug 03 07:37:07 the os07 is better and faster in a lot of ways, though i didn't use one on the 770 so don't know what features really work and what doesn't Aug 03 07:37:30 you could try reading up on the ITT Aug 03 07:37:31 ITT? Aug 03 07:37:32 <_Monkey> i guess ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Aug 03 07:37:34 I think it is better, but faster? Aug 03 07:37:58 n800 is faster than 770, that could make software be faster esaily Aug 03 07:37:58 afaik the code and the API's are much more optimized Aug 03 07:38:07 maybe Aug 03 07:38:27 also better thumb kb Aug 03 07:41:17 I didn't know about that Aug 03 07:42:05 but sure that last Dates app run well :-) Aug 03 07:42:12 the stylus tapping sound is cooler too Aug 03 07:49:35 Morning, all Aug 03 07:53:12 morning Aug 03 07:53:12 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 03 07:59:56 so what's the deal with os07 on 770? Does it work? Where can I read about it? Aug 03 08:13:37 VladDrac: http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 03 08:16:12 _Monkey: os2007on770? Aug 03 08:16:13 <_Monkey> disq: no idea Aug 03 08:16:20 _Monkey: os2007on770 is at http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 03 08:16:21 <_Monkey> OK, disq. Aug 03 08:16:34 _Monkey: os07 on 770 is at http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 03 08:16:35 <_Monkey> OK, disq. Aug 03 08:16:41 good monkey Aug 03 08:16:47 or _Monkey Aug 03 08:16:47 <_Monkey> i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now Aug 03 08:16:59 lol Aug 03 08:23:29 woo, my 770 is here Aug 03 08:31:44 moin red-zack Aug 03 08:32:06 there are some issues with xkbd-m, fullscreen SDL seems to be incompatible Aug 03 08:39:06 nice. Aug 03 08:39:10 whats the first thing i should do ideally with my 770 Aug 03 08:39:14 what are the main advantages of os07 over 06? Aug 03 08:39:21 amr: charge it ;) Aug 03 08:39:25 i am doing that :P Aug 03 08:39:28 software wise i mean Aug 03 08:39:44 im lookin into changing my sources.list file Aug 03 08:39:59 then probably xterm, becomeroot, dropbear ssh server Aug 03 08:40:13 exactly correct Aug 03 08:40:35 cool, what about booting from the mmc when my 1gb one gets here Aug 03 08:40:54 is there any need or can i use it as it is Aug 03 08:41:07 one step at a time young amr... :) Aug 03 08:41:29 personally no need unless you want or have a need to dual boot Aug 03 08:41:59 there are some advantages, but i was happy without it too Aug 03 08:42:23 i'm not really sure why so many 770 newbies go for the mmc option Aug 03 08:42:48 the promise of speed? Aug 03 08:42:58 promise is all it is Aug 03 08:43:00 good morning Aug 03 08:43:01 also, the onboard space looks really small to people who are used to desktop linux Aug 03 08:43:01 in most casers Aug 03 08:43:07 s/casers/cases/ Aug 03 08:43:08 milhouse meant: in most cases Aug 03 08:43:17 unless they install the high speed kernel as well Aug 03 08:43:30 i mean what's wrong with just enjoying it for a while? ;) Aug 03 08:44:03 i had no real intention to, i saw a bunch of posts on itt raving about it so i figured that was the done thing Aug 03 08:44:20 exactly! :-) Aug 03 08:44:22 this new vkbd will trash my productivity. it's tooo fun to play in dosbox now Aug 03 08:44:23 i never managed to fill my 770's internal flash... but then i probably reflashed it every 2 months and didn't go mad installing stuff Aug 03 08:44:47 my internet must be slow, its taking ages to get xterm Aug 03 08:45:11 amr: my recommendation would be to install Fanoush's high speed kernel, but pass on the MMC option until you have a need for it Aug 03 08:45:29 yeah Aug 03 08:45:59 ok, im assuming there are how-tos on the wiki for that? Aug 03 08:46:24 i've got os2006 3.2006.49-2, do i need to update that too? Aug 03 08:46:39 you won't have to reinstall everything when you decide to go the mmc boot way btw, so it's ok to keep it for later. unlike regular firmware updates Aug 03 08:47:05 oh cool Aug 03 08:48:28 hmm, people seem quite excited by pidgin on maemo Aug 03 08:48:46 * Robot101 is more excited by tp-haze, the Telepathy backend that uses Pidgin's libpurple Aug 03 08:49:04 then you can use all of those protocols built-in to the device's IM/Presence stuff Aug 03 08:49:15 oooh Aug 03 08:49:16 amr: fanoushs kernel... you can search the itt forums but if you have a linux pc it's a piece of cake. The 770 high speed kernel is here: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus Aug 03 08:49:18 :-/ download failed on xterm Aug 03 08:49:20 maybe I should get someone to do packages and stuff :) Aug 03 08:49:51 cool thanks milhouse Aug 03 08:50:01 amr: 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date Aug 03 08:50:02 amr: if you don't have a usb-working linux pc (mine's on vmware, usb somehow doesn't work) there's a in-device flasher somewhere in there too Aug 03 08:50:47 disq is correct, although having a linux pc (even a live cd distro) is a lot, lot easier and more useful in the long run Aug 03 08:51:11 true Aug 03 08:51:35 sweet Aug 03 08:51:35 i have a mac, dunno if that counts for anything :P Aug 03 08:52:26 i often wonder when reading the itt forum why people mess around with the built in flasher (and whine when it doesn't work) when it's a lot easier to download something like Damn Small Linux and occasionally boot it when flashing or setting device options... Aug 03 08:52:41 amr: Intel or PowerPC MAC? Aug 03 08:52:53 yeah Aug 03 08:52:56 intel Aug 03 08:53:16 you should be ok with any old x86 live cd distribution Aug 03 08:53:35 sweet, im sure i have a ubuntu cd around somewhere Aug 03 08:54:59 i don't think nokia have released a Mac OSX x86 flasher - only ppc. mind you, will that run on x86 under emulation? Aug 03 08:55:22 yeah that will be fine Aug 03 08:55:25 btw you can download the flasher binaries here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Aug 03 08:55:50 thanks Aug 03 08:55:55 so you may not need a live cd at all :) Aug 03 08:56:10 do i want the flasher-2.0 with 2006se support? Aug 03 08:56:15 whats the se? Aug 03 08:56:33 standard edition? not really sure Aug 03 08:56:41 maybe supported edition! Aug 03 08:56:44 lol Aug 03 08:56:55 (as HE means Hacker Edition which has no support) Aug 03 08:57:05 haha yeah i read about that Aug 03 08:57:13 yes, flasher-2.0.macosx is what you need Aug 03 08:57:21 there's no flasher-3 for mac (x86 or ppc) Aug 03 08:57:53 hm, it doesnt appear to be working Aug 03 08:58:04 it downloads a 189kb file of garbage basically Aug 03 08:58:25 can't help you there... never used a mac browser. Aug 03 08:58:26 oh wait, might have worked Aug 03 08:58:37 heck, never used a mac... Aug 03 08:58:42 :) Aug 03 08:59:30 i think i opened it before it finished, for some reason im getting 3kbs speeds Aug 03 08:59:30 nope, still doesnt work Aug 03 08:59:30 maybe i will have to grab the other flasher Aug 03 08:59:47 :-( doesnt work either Aug 03 09:02:25 ping maemo.org timing out here Aug 03 09:02:40 looks like i will be booting from a livecd then :P Aug 03 09:02:40 download failed again on xterm :-/ Aug 03 09:02:50 will that be why? Aug 03 09:03:11 dunono.. http worked fine Aug 03 09:03:12 what's the error? Aug 03 09:03:46 in application manager go to Tools -> Log to see the log Aug 03 09:04:36 just 'download failed' Aug 03 09:05:04 failed to fetch from maemo-hacks.org Aug 03 09:05:07 timed out Aug 03 09:05:53 unfortunately maemo-hacks.org isn't terribly reliable... you'll have to try later and hope it's up Aug 03 09:06:04 ah Aug 03 09:06:10 well i installed dropbear Aug 03 09:06:10 maemo-hackers Aug 03 09:06:14 not maemo-hacks Aug 03 09:06:19 thats what i meant Aug 03 09:06:20 mybad Aug 03 09:09:00 maemo-hackers.org seems to be up and available... Aug 03 09:11:26 hey, im on the installing screen now Aug 03 09:18:49 good morning Aug 03 09:20:16 which is the best way i should fix root Aug 03 09:21:35 becomeroot? Aug 03 09:21:35 <_Monkey> becomeroot is For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot" Aug 03 09:22:09 that's how i diddided it Aug 03 09:22:14 ah Aug 03 09:22:15 thanks Aug 03 09:23:35 W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org mistral Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D Aug 03 09:23:50 couldnt find package becomeroot Aug 03 09:26:30 bah Aug 03 09:26:42 what did i do wrong :-( Aug 03 09:26:46 my error Aug 03 09:26:52 oh Aug 03 09:27:31 becomeroot? Aug 03 09:27:32 <_Monkey> becomeroot is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot Aug 03 09:27:49 it was /etc/apt/sources.list not /var/cache/apt/sources.list Aug 03 09:30:14 whoops Aug 03 09:30:21 woah i can't find the hyphen sign on the keyboard Aug 03 09:30:34 oh im an idiot nevermind, its next to the 0 Aug 03 09:31:06 amr: did you add the repository http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user to your app manager? you should then see becomeroot listed Aug 03 09:31:16 yes i just did now Aug 03 09:31:35 installing now Aug 03 09:31:49 guys, I guess I have problem in my N800 and I don't know how to diagnose it, I'm not able to make calls with skype for more than 10 minutes and then the whole device just freeze and the only available option is to reboot it. Aug 03 09:31:52 any idea? Aug 03 09:32:03 syntux - you're not the only one Aug 03 09:32:21 check the itt forums, been reported there. not sure if it's been logged in the skype bug tracking system. Aug 03 09:32:27 milhouse, oh and any solution ? is it skype related or Nokai ? Aug 03 09:32:29 nokia Aug 03 09:32:46 not sure - there's no solution as yet to my knowledge. Aug 03 09:33:10 hmm maybe I should try with Gizmo; that would give an idea if it's Nokia or Skype Aug 03 09:34:20 ok so there are no software upgrades i need to do for the os are there Aug 03 09:34:25 just flash to a fast kernel Aug 03 09:34:40 yep Aug 03 09:34:51 sweet Aug 03 09:36:21 guys, do you know any calendar that can sync with google cal ? for n800 ? Aug 03 09:36:57 syntux: does it happen with gtalk? Aug 03 09:37:28 Robot101, was calling some land phones and I didn't try gtalk yet Aug 03 09:37:34 failures proportional to call length suggest memory leaks Aug 03 09:37:42 syntux: skype thread discussing the problem here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=59763#post59763 Aug 03 09:37:57 not much discussion exactly - just one other report Aug 03 09:38:08 milhouse, thank you Aug 03 09:38:30 Robot101, well, I have the default 128 + swaped 128 Aug 03 09:38:41 and only skype was running Aug 03 09:38:57 so if that amount of RAM wont be enough for a small device what would be enough then Aug 03 09:39:42 i did that becomeroot thing Aug 03 09:39:51 but that still means i can becomeroot by ssh doesnt it Aug 03 09:39:52 it's not about if it's enough, if it's about whether the program is using up far more memory than it's meant to due to a bug :) Aug 03 09:39:54 log in directly Aug 03 09:40:26 amr: yes, you can still login as root/rootme using ssh Aug 03 09:41:04 if i change the root password that wont affect me doing sudo gainroot will it? Aug 03 09:41:16 personally i just setup a public/private key for user so that i can login as user, and sudo whenever i need root Aug 03 09:41:22 amr: no Aug 03 09:41:27 sweet Aug 03 09:41:31 amr: no, it won't affect gainroot Aug 03 10:08:19 hmm, whats the default browser in n800 ? is it opera? Aug 03 10:08:43 y Aug 03 10:19:23 hm Aug 03 10:19:29 dropbear server seems to have crashed on me Aug 03 10:21:01 * milhouse mutters dropbear is a pile of .... Aug 03 10:21:35 type this as root to fix dropbear: apt-get remove dropbear; apt-get install ssh Aug 03 10:21:42 ;) Aug 03 10:21:55 haha Aug 03 10:22:02 how come dropbear is recommended? Aug 03 10:22:17 uh.. where? Aug 03 10:22:37 i was just told by others to use that Aug 03 10:22:43 i'd hazzard a guess whatever documentation recommends dropbear is quite old, possibly pre-dating openssh Aug 03 10:22:54 ah Aug 03 10:22:58 it's subjective, but i prefer openssh Aug 03 10:25:44 handily i dont see openssh or ssh Aug 03 10:25:57 you won't see it listed in the app manager Aug 03 10:26:05 (unless you enable red pill mode) Aug 03 10:26:08 oh Aug 03 10:26:10 red pill mode? Aug 03 10:26:11 just sudo gainroot then apt-get install ssh Aug 03 10:26:15 ok Aug 03 10:26:26 remove dropbear first though Aug 03 10:26:53 done Aug 03 10:27:47 um Aug 03 10:28:15 error: some packages could not be authenticatefd Aug 03 10:28:25 fine, enter "Y" Aug 03 10:28:33 it didnt give me an option to Aug 03 10:28:34 er... error? Aug 03 10:28:44 normally it's a warning Aug 03 10:28:58 warning the following packages cannot be authenticated! Aug 03 10:28:58 ssh Aug 03 10:29:13 install this packages without verification [y/N]? E: some packages could not be authenticated Aug 03 10:29:27 hmmm Aug 03 10:29:43 oh hold on, i ran it again and it let me say yes Aug 03 10:29:50 k Aug 03 10:30:01 was probably me knocking something Aug 03 10:30:26 are the errors with debconf normal Aug 03 10:30:45 you shouldn't get any errors... Aug 03 10:31:05 debconf falling back to front end: teletype. no usable dialog like program is installed so the dialog based front not be used Aug 03 10:31:17 oh right, yes... that should be ok Aug 03 10:31:20 oh good Aug 03 10:35:00 anyone from canada btw ? Aug 03 10:38:02 ssh is just stuck after asking me for my password Aug 03 10:38:14 it took a while to ask for it too, its just sat there Aug 03 10:40:24 logging in locally works Aug 03 10:40:27 over ssh Aug 03 10:41:34 who are you logging in as on the remote machine? Aug 03 10:41:46 root or user? Aug 03 10:41:54 user Aug 03 10:41:58 user has no password Aug 03 10:41:58 its loaded now, finally Aug 03 10:42:01 i set one Aug 03 10:42:04 ah ok Aug 03 10:42:09 its sat at the prompt and not accepting input Aug 03 10:42:34 * milhouse thinks that setting a password on user is less secure than the default Aug 03 10:42:53 why? Aug 03 10:42:58 think about it Aug 03 10:43:22 i must be missing something Aug 03 10:43:35 by default, the user account doesn't have a password Aug 03 10:43:44 so how would you brute force login as user? Aug 03 10:43:56 answer: you wouldn't Aug 03 10:44:01 good point Aug 03 10:44:04 guess what, you've set a password... Aug 03 10:44:15 :) Aug 03 10:44:25 well thats not the problem at the minute Aug 03 10:44:28 milhouse, hmm but there is a password for root after flashing it Aug 03 10:44:39 indeed, which you can change or disable Aug 03 10:44:50 the securest method is to ssh using public/private keys Aug 03 10:44:58 exactly Aug 03 10:45:07 but one can do middle machine :D Aug 03 10:45:57 one could... but i might also win the lottery this weekend Aug 03 10:46:12 ;) Aug 03 10:46:21 milhouse, promise me to invite me for pizza if you won Aug 03 10:46:23 :p Aug 03 10:46:42 i promise :) Aug 03 10:46:53 should i try removing and installing ssh again? Aug 03 10:47:41 amr, no wait, I'm looking for something might help you Aug 03 10:47:47 ok cool thanks Aug 03 10:47:48 there should be a way to speed up host lookup Aug 03 10:47:49 wait Aug 03 10:47:54 can you ping your device from the remote box? Aug 03 10:47:59 load-applet-run is my favorite thing ever now Aug 03 10:48:03 no :-/ Aug 03 10:48:06 i used to be able to Aug 03 10:48:13 no you can't ping your 770? Aug 03 10:48:16 no i cant Aug 03 10:48:17 that's not good... Aug 03 10:48:24 excellent.. :/ Aug 03 10:48:32 what do i do Aug 03 10:48:34 do you have any firewall issues? Aug 03 10:48:57 no Aug 03 10:48:58 what's your remote machine - a mac isn't it? Aug 03 10:49:02 yes Aug 03 10:49:27 sorry, my idea wont work amr Aug 03 10:49:38 oh ok nevermind then Aug 03 10:49:40 thanks though Aug 03 10:49:42 amr: your 770 has a valid ip address on your local network right? Aug 03 10:50:06 yeah, its a static one Aug 03 10:50:11 i can access the internet fine Aug 03 10:50:47 on your mac you should be able to ping it by running ping in a terminal session Aug 03 10:50:52 i tried Aug 03 10:50:59 something is stuffed up then Aug 03 10:51:08 probably explains why ssh isn't behaving Aug 03 10:51:22 64 bytes from 192.168.0.20: icmp_seq=16 ttl=64 time=868.066 ms Aug 03 10:51:22 64 bytes from 192.168.0.20: icmp_seq=17 ttl=64 time=2.081 ms Aug 03 10:51:23 it responded Aug 03 10:51:25 try rebooting your 770 just for laughs Aug 03 10:51:32 good Aug 03 10:51:49 so, back on the mac... Aug 03 10:51:55 ssh -l root 192.168.0.20 Aug 03 10:52:12 what happens? still hangs? Aug 03 10:52:19 its opened now and ive got a shell Aug 03 10:52:26 cant enter any commands however Aug 03 10:52:52 so you have the root prompt # ? Aug 03 10:53:03 yes, but i cant enter or type anything Aug 03 10:53:07 hmmm Aug 03 10:53:24 shall i try the reboot Aug 03 10:53:36 might as well - i don't know what else to suggest right now Aug 03 10:54:40 http://bakkouz.net/2007/08/03/how-to-be-the-perfect-girlfriend/ LoL this is amazing Aug 03 10:55:31 what do you know, it works Aug 03 10:55:46 hurrah. :) Aug 03 10:55:56 how bizarre was that Aug 03 10:56:07 almost PC-ish Aug 03 10:56:10 lol Aug 03 10:57:25 now ive forgotten what i was trying to do lol Aug 03 10:58:03 you were trying to install Windows 95 SP2 on your Nokia N800. Aug 03 10:58:03 :p Aug 03 10:58:12 lol Aug 03 10:58:35 been there done that, couldn't find where to insert the boot floppy, so I gave up Aug 03 10:59:09 any of you can see the future? Aug 03 10:59:31 I wonder if we'll be able to run windows LongHorn using Vmware on Nokia N91783212 Aug 03 11:10:15 morning all... Aug 03 11:11:12 oh dear, guess whats stopped working again Aug 03 11:16:14 299 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss Aug 03 11:16:31 so ping has died too? Aug 03 11:16:35 yeah Aug 03 11:16:48 sounds like a general network/routing issue Aug 03 11:16:52 at least it's not specific to ssh Aug 03 11:16:53 hm, could be my router Aug 03 11:17:00 i know its playing up a bit at times Aug 03 11:17:11 apple express thingy? Aug 03 11:17:21 no its a wrt54g linksys Aug 03 11:17:29 oh a quality router then :) Aug 03 11:17:36 i've got a wrt54gs Aug 03 11:17:42 its crap, ive got the stripped version Aug 03 11:17:45 mind you i don't run stock linksys firmware Aug 03 11:17:47 its limited to hell Aug 03 11:18:02 get dd-wrt or openwrt firmware :) Aug 03 11:18:35 as long as it's not a recent version you can do plenty with it Aug 03 11:18:49 version 1-4 were golden Aug 03 11:19:17 its v5 :-( Aug 03 11:20:02 can still be flashed with after market firmware Aug 03 11:20:12 but much less onboard memory Aug 03 11:20:16 oh, nice Aug 03 11:32:41 i have a new cool thing Aug 03 11:32:57 teaser Aug 03 11:33:16 just a minute Aug 03 11:40:49 http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif gla55 - xkbd layout for dosbox - non-blocking Aug 03 11:42:17 nice Aug 03 11:47:17 ok so i forgot the 'i' key Aug 03 11:47:29 no one needs that anyway Aug 03 11:47:39 oh there it is Aug 03 11:48:28 right in it's place Aug 03 11:55:44 still need to figure out what's wrong with fullscreen/mouse apps Aug 03 11:55:55 hiu maemo Aug 03 11:58:24 vhi Aug 03 12:01:48 each keyboard layout has its own menu shortcut now :) Aug 03 12:13:17 is the built in mail app pretty slow? Aug 03 12:14:11 it's rather useless Aug 03 12:14:30 really? Aug 03 12:14:36 really. Aug 03 12:14:51 i was just going to use it so i can get at my important mail Aug 03 12:14:56 set up forwards for certain addresses Aug 03 12:15:06 but its been sat on connecting for the past 5 mintues Aug 03 12:16:49 oh well Aug 03 12:16:51 guess no mail for me Aug 03 12:34:34 what's the name of the browser binary? Aug 03 12:34:58 "browser" Aug 03 12:35:29 odd, apt says osso-browser-interface is installed, and yet I don't seem to hae that binary Aug 03 12:35:51 in scratchbox? Aug 03 12:35:59 yes Aug 03 12:36:10 :-/ trying to download an rtf file and ive tried saving it to the mmc and into mydocs Aug 03 12:36:16 gw280: It's not supposed to be, since opera doesn't allow that Aug 03 12:36:16 using browser, but it doesnt save at all Aug 03 12:36:26 zuh: doesn't allow what? Aug 03 12:36:49 zuh: in any case, what about the microb browser? Aug 03 12:38:13 It's all about licensing, the wart in software world's buttocks Aug 03 12:38:29 microb was the new mozilla-based? Aug 03 12:38:39 hmm Aug 03 12:38:51 yes Aug 03 12:39:28 actually, I'm not sure if the browser binary should be affected after all. It's the engine part that is closed anyway... Aug 03 12:40:14 indeed Aug 03 12:40:18 But I don't thing Nokia provides any of the closed source apps for the SDK, not even in the binaries package Aug 03 12:41:00 *think Aug 03 12:41:20 hrmmmm Aug 03 12:41:56 hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Aug 03 12:42:01 arseblankets Aug 03 12:43:15 does anyone know whats up with my downloading from the browser? Aug 03 13:03:18 hey Aug 03 13:03:40 does anyone know what video formats the n770 supports on the built-in media player on IT2007HE? Aug 03 13:14:27 :-/ this is getting on my nerves Aug 03 13:27:13 Ok I have a simple question. I am new to the n770. So far I love it. How do I add the maemo.org repository. I found how to add one but I can't find anything on maemo.org that says what I should fill in for the url etc. Aug 03 13:27:46 amr: your card isn't marked read-only, is it? can you create a new file on the device using some other means? Aug 03 13:27:51 jhdeval, well, I got the sources.list that is pretty accurate Aug 03 13:28:41 jhdeval, have you installed xterm and becomeroot yet? Aug 03 13:28:54 No not yet. Aug 03 13:29:09 I suppose I need to do that? Aug 03 13:30:20 jhdeval, I would, but first Aug 03 13:30:28 jhdeval, have you ever used Linux before? Aug 03 13:30:34 :) I have. Aug 03 13:30:40 ok, sorry had to make sure Aug 03 13:30:52 I use it exclusively Aug 03 13:30:54 jhdeval, you can find becomeroot and xterm on maemo.org by searching for them Aug 03 13:31:04 the osso xterm? Aug 03 13:31:32 get the advanced Aug 03 13:31:32 trevarthan, i cant even save it in my docs folder Aug 03 13:31:36 i assume thats not on the card? Aug 03 13:32:02 jhdeval, the advanced is smoother and black background on white is easier to read on the n770 (I have one as well) Aug 03 13:32:21 im not sure how to check if the card is read only or not Aug 03 13:32:37 So far I really like it. I am impressed with the speed and qty of apps. Aug 03 13:32:48 I want to write a few of my own. Aug 03 13:33:13 jhdeval, well, porting is done, which I am *trying* to do Aug 03 13:33:25 s/porting is done/porting is *needing* done Aug 03 13:33:27 ugh Aug 03 13:33:34 sleep is my problem haha Aug 03 13:33:50 I am a python hacker. Aug 03 13:34:03 I am not real familiar with c unfrtunately. Aug 03 13:34:14 jhdeval, very good, there are many apps that are made in python for maemo Aug 03 13:34:33 I saw that and it is very well supported too. Aug 03 13:34:39 jhdeval, are you familiar with debian based distro Aug 03 13:34:49 I want to play with mono for maemo too. It looked interesting. Aug 03 13:35:09 I have used ubuntu and still have it on one or two machines Aug 03 13:36:52 ok, jhdeval, your n770 uses sources.list also, (IT2006 is debian-based as the rest of the OS'es on nokia 770's and n800's) Aug 03 13:37:03 I have a very nice sources.list Aug 03 13:37:58 collected from a forum and I commented out the ones that are not existing always (some are hosted by the actual developer/porter's home computer through like dyndns.org or such Aug 03 13:38:00 I am working on sshing into the 770 Aug 03 13:38:19 jhdeval, I would suggest getting becomeroot first Aug 03 13:38:44 then what you do is: sudo gainroot Aug 03 13:38:58 which, I use ubuntu as well and at first I thought that was completely odd Aug 03 13:39:01 I am following the directions become root 2 it suggests sshing into the 770 I dont have a usb cable with me at the moment. Aug 03 13:39:31 jhdeval, then when you do become root, make sure you passwd user and then passwd root to change your passwords because you don't want someone to ssh while you are using their connection or yours Aug 03 13:39:45 jhdeval, you don't need to use the usb cable to ssh Aug 03 13:39:58 jhdeval, do you have wifi at your place you are at? Aug 03 13:40:09 x-fade, et al.... Aug 03 13:40:12 yeah I do Aug 03 13:40:16 i finally published our blog Aug 03 13:40:29 jhdeval, do you know the ip address your tablet is using? Aug 03 13:41:07 go to terminal on your pc and type: ssh user@replace-with-nokias-ip-address Aug 03 13:41:14 you can ssh over wifi Aug 03 13:41:29 without installing the ssh server? Aug 03 13:41:47 oh poop, I forgot that one haha, go on maemo and install openssh Aug 03 13:41:57 lol Aug 03 13:42:11 see I know whats I am doing lol Aug 03 13:42:14 dropbear is not fun to install, openssh is smoother to install and nice Aug 03 13:42:28 dropbear is no longer available either Aug 03 13:42:34 * erstazi forgets about some things when only having 3 hours of sleep Aug 03 13:43:31 jhdeval, did you get xterm advanced installed? also becomeroot? you can change your passwords there as well, I would suggest it Aug 03 13:43:43 and yes, I am paranoid haha Aug 03 13:43:51 timeless: Are you in the planet yet? Aug 03 13:45:26 become root has no install package on maemo.org anymore. Aug 03 13:45:28 ahhhh Aug 03 13:45:37 jhdeval, I don't beleive that Aug 03 13:45:37 and openssh says not found ahhhhhh Aug 03 13:45:46 s/beleive/believe Aug 03 13:45:49 let me check Aug 03 13:47:34 jhdeval, http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb Aug 03 13:48:17 f@ing hell thats a long url to type in on a peck and find keyboard. Aug 03 13:48:20 jhdeval, this is from the repository, which the source.list will include outside repos, its truthworthy Aug 03 13:48:36 want the easier way, jhdeval? Aug 03 13:48:41 sure Aug 03 13:48:53 jhdeval, let me fire my n770 up Aug 03 13:48:58 so I can follow along easier Aug 03 13:49:03 lol Aug 03 13:49:25 again, I am pooped Aug 03 13:49:38 NO SLEEP TO BROOKLYN!!! Aug 03 13:49:43 hha, beastie boys Aug 03 13:50:17 Had to throw out a beat lol I bet now you have it stuck in your head. Aug 03 13:50:28 how do i check on battery percentage Aug 03 13:50:36 clicking the icon in the status bar does nothing Aug 03 13:50:39 jhdeval, on your left panel, you got web, contacts, and applications, select applications icon > tools > application manager Aug 03 13:51:16 jhdeval, we use to use that song as a warm up for a band (high school) I use to be in Aug 03 13:51:35 amr: in my experience this means it's full Aug 03 13:51:49 ok i am there Aug 03 13:52:07 jhdeval, now, at the top, you have the upside down chevlon, and Application manager Aug 03 13:52:33 jhdeval, tap that then > tools > application catalog Aug 03 13:52:53 ok Aug 03 13:52:57 in web address: http://eko.one.pl/ Aug 03 13:53:14 distribution: mistral Aug 03 13:53:14 <_Monkey> rumour has it mistral is a N770 distro, gregale is N800 oriented Aug 03 13:53:29 components: user Aug 03 13:53:35 make sure its checked for enabled Aug 03 13:53:38 hit ok Aug 03 13:54:10 (this is a new one of course, forgot to mention that) Aug 03 13:54:10 forget mistral Aug 03 13:54:11 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot mistral Aug 03 13:54:26 (sorry - that was just me to _monkey) Aug 03 13:54:29 bots, can't live with them, can't live with without them Aug 03 13:54:37 shit says cannot refresh Aug 03 13:54:38 milhouse, hehe Aug 03 13:54:43 jhdeval, hmm Aug 03 13:54:59 jhdeval, go back to chevlon > tools > application catalog Aug 03 13:55:02 just not having any luck today Aug 03 13:55:05 i am there Aug 03 13:55:07 locate http://eko.one.pl/ and edit it, disable Aug 03 13:55:20 now try and see if it can refresh Aug 03 13:55:26 it does Aug 03 13:55:51 jhdeval, ok locate http://eko.one.pl/ in your catalog Aug 03 13:56:22 edit it, on the web address, change it to this: http://eko.one.pl/maemo Aug 03 13:56:32 I forgot the sub-directory Aug 03 13:56:33 sorry Aug 03 13:57:07 ahhh Aug 03 13:57:11 that worked Aug 03 13:57:13 now, after you tap ok, then close catalog, then go back to application manager (chevlon) and select tools, refresh packages Aug 03 13:57:27 "refresh list of packages" Aug 03 13:57:46 I got it Aug 03 13:57:56 x-fade: no Aug 03 13:58:02 i wouldn't know how to get into planet :) Aug 03 13:58:03 i mean become root Aug 03 13:58:08 jhdeval after that is done, go to the button: Install new applications Aug 03 13:58:23 and then select All, and becomeroot will be at the top Aug 03 13:58:25 UKMP 1.51 is out. It's a bug fix version and VERY recommended to all users. More info and download link from : http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/08/ukmp-151-combined-with-updated-uktube.html Aug 03 13:58:49 x-fade: have you found the feed? :) Aug 03 13:58:55 It also includes uktube update that has support for logging into youtube to access over 18 videos as well as private content. Aug 03 13:59:42 what is the password for root when I run become root Aug 03 13:59:49 rootme Aug 03 13:59:49 <_Monkey> i think rootme is the default pw? Aug 03 13:59:50 uktube.co.uk? Aug 03 14:00:31 rootme is for handhelds.org familiar Aug 03 14:01:20 jhdeval, when you want the /etc/apt/sources.list I can give it, and I commented out the ones that were not working for me (which is basically like leaving enabled unchecked) Aug 03 14:01:31 timeless: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml ? Aug 03 14:01:56 erstazi, i would definitely be interested in that Aug 03 14:01:57 some need gpg keys Aug 03 14:02:09 amr, I can put it up on my web server Aug 03 14:02:42 so far, some are down because they use a dynamic dns service for hosting their home server and some of them are down Aug 03 14:03:43 ok I got it :) Aug 03 14:04:02 erstazi: you gonna be here for like 20 minutes I gotta run Aug 03 14:04:04 anyone using xserver-xomap_6.6.3 from sardine? it doesn't react to touching, althought i told it -mouse tslib. ? Aug 03 14:05:43 has anyone heard of someone doing it or done it themselves: broke the screen to their tablet? Aug 03 14:05:50 yes Aug 03 14:05:55 I am just wondering how much punishment this thing can take Aug 03 14:06:06 I know some who don't use their screen guard Aug 03 14:06:43 hello melmoth Aug 03 14:07:27 how do you completely reset the device Aug 03 14:07:46 not restart, i mean like a hard reset Aug 03 14:07:56 reset? as back to the factory default install? Aug 03 14:07:59 amr: battery out, battery in Aug 03 14:08:29 ah Aug 03 14:08:32 ty Aug 03 14:10:24 yes erstazi Aug 03 14:10:25 <_Monkey> erstazi is probably rusty on porting to a different arch Aug 03 14:10:32 that didnt work, battery in and out Aug 03 14:11:39 what do i need to do erstazi Aug 03 14:12:00 amr, you want to flash your tablet? Aug 03 14:12:14 ahhhh... summer vacation Aug 03 14:12:37 amr, which means reinstall the original factory defaults (as it came fresh)? Aug 03 14:12:40 yes Aug 03 14:13:05 anyone who wants the sources.list that I use and I grabbed and improved from itt here it is: http://c-wd.net/sources.list Aug 03 14:13:11 sorry I took so long Aug 03 14:13:20 amr, let me find something on maemo that I read Aug 03 14:13:24 ok thanks Aug 03 14:13:34 or shall i just reflash with the new kernel version Aug 03 14:13:47 fanoush's kernel Aug 03 14:13:48 amr, how about this, have you tried the update wizard? Aug 03 14:13:52 uhm no Aug 03 14:14:29 what OS do you use on your pc? Aug 03 14:14:41 mac Aug 03 14:14:47 but i can boot into a live cd if needed Aug 03 14:14:47 OS X? Aug 03 14:14:50 yes Aug 03 14:15:00 amr: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ Aug 03 14:15:06 go to that on your mac Aug 03 14:17:06 ok Aug 03 14:17:31 they also list "nokia's approved method" Aug 03 14:17:49 hey, can someone with the normal, non-a2dp build of mplayer on the n800 run `mplayer -ao help` for me and post the output in a pastebin? Aug 03 14:18:11 I need to see if it advertises ALSA even though it isn't compiled in. Aug 03 14:19:01 while im doing this shall i flash the kernel too Aug 03 14:19:05 to fanoush's Aug 03 14:23:18 amr, this will flash your device of everything, it brings you back to when you first received the tablet as new, nothing installed on it Aug 03 14:23:24 brilliant Aug 03 14:23:27 just the default installs Aug 03 14:23:31 oki doke Aug 03 14:23:33 thanks Aug 03 14:23:37 no problem Aug 03 14:23:51 i hope my browser downloading actually works this time Aug 03 14:24:03 your mmc flash card will still have its contents though Aug 03 14:24:12 amr, before doing this I suggest backing up Aug 03 14:24:27 doing that Aug 03 14:24:29 what* Aug 03 14:24:30 trevarthan - 1.0rc1-maemo.16.n800 doesn't advertise alsa Aug 03 14:24:34 just the following Aug 03 14:24:42 MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.16.n800 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team Aug 03 14:24:42 CPU: ARM Aug 03 14:24:42 Available audio output drivers: Aug 03 14:24:42 esd EsounD audio output Aug 03 14:24:42 gst Gstreamer audio output for Nokia 770 Aug 03 14:24:42 sdl SDLlib audio output Aug 03 14:24:44 mpegpes Mpeg-PES audio output Aug 03 14:24:46 amr, go to the 3rd icon on the left (which its called applications I believe) and then go to tools and then control panel and then select backup/restore and make a back up Aug 03 14:24:46 null Null audio output Aug 03 14:24:48 pcm RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output Aug 03 14:27:24 ok done erstazi Aug 03 14:27:36 ill flash the kernel after i come home from work Aug 03 14:28:52 erstazi, how do you see what percentage battery is remaining Aug 03 14:29:04 thanks milhouse. BTW, I saw your a2dp script on ITT. nice work. Anyone care to write a control panel module that allows you to select your a2dp headset from a list of paired devices? Aug 03 14:29:27 IMO, that's the only thing stopping us from making a2dp really user friendly. Aug 03 14:29:29 trevarthan: thanks but that's waaaay out of my league :) Aug 03 14:29:50 :) I could handle it, but I'm busy with Kagu, so it's a low priority. Aug 03 14:30:22 disq wrote a control panel applet for maemoscrobbler that we could pillage and rework for our purposes. Aug 03 14:30:56 the current bluetooth applet, does it give any clues about the paired devices? Aug 03 14:31:09 ie. can it be queried to identify the audio headset devices? Aug 03 14:31:26 I don't even know if the source is available, but I'm sure there is a way. either through dbus or some other method. Aug 03 14:31:33 i'm assuming that paired device information is held somewhere Aug 03 14:32:03 yeah. in the filesystem on a normal bluez system, but it's probably stored in a DB too on maemo. Aug 03 14:32:07 maybe gconf? Aug 03 14:32:09 dunno Aug 03 14:32:41 trevarthan: I think bluetooth devices are shown as paired by a hash or hex code Aug 03 14:32:50 Like a network cards mac address Aug 03 14:33:12 As an initial version, we could simply provide a BT address input field in the control panel, then improve that later when we figure out the API. Aug 03 14:33:31 The control panel app could just call your script, milhouse. Aug 03 14:33:47 that might be dangerous :) Aug 03 14:33:56 life is dangerous. Aug 03 14:34:05 be bold. Aug 03 14:34:31 now theres a man with b@lls Aug 03 14:34:41 haha trevarthan Aug 03 14:35:00 jhdeval, did you grab the sources.list? Aug 03 14:35:19 no not yet where is it? Aug 03 14:35:20 it has almost all the working repos of I knowing Aug 03 14:35:30 jhdeval: http://c-wd.net/sources.list Aug 03 14:35:34 also how do you mark and paste? Aug 03 14:35:47 if anyone wants to add any, please tell me, I will be happy to add more Aug 03 14:35:55 jhdeval, I usually add mine through ssh'ing Aug 03 14:35:56 got it Aug 03 14:36:24 or if anyone can confirm that any of the commented out repos are completely gone, I can remove Aug 03 14:36:40 trevarthan Aug 03 14:36:40 <_Monkey> somebody said trevarthan was a cowardly programmer who stole an n800 from a baby and regularly has relations with my mom. Aug 03 14:36:48 _monkey thanks Aug 03 14:36:48 haha Aug 03 14:36:48 <_Monkey> sure thing milhouse Aug 03 14:37:00 trevarthan - you're right, the currently paired bt devices are in gconf Aug 03 14:37:13 system/bluetooth/device Aug 03 14:37:20 keyed on mac Aug 03 14:37:28 with services listed for each device Aug 03 14:37:30 sweet. that aught to make it easy. Aug 03 14:37:41 soooo in theory we just need to pull off the audio device Aug 03 14:37:59 i doubt anyone will pair more than one audio device but we'll need to cater for that Aug 03 14:38:06 ie. bail if there is more than one device? Aug 03 14:38:26 milhouse, I will just pair more than one audio device to make this harder haha just playing Aug 03 14:38:27 i'll try to work out how to walk the gconf tree and get back to you :) Aug 03 14:38:36 yeah, actually a guy emailed me stating that he had a couple of different bt headsets and he switches between them frequently. Aug 03 14:38:43 nice Aug 03 14:38:55 it's not a control panel but at least it means the script is more of a no brainer Aug 03 14:39:10 milhouse, what language did you use in your script? Aug 03 14:39:24 plain old shell scripting Aug 03 14:39:27 nice Aug 03 14:39:38 milhouse: you don't have to put it in the control panel. I think it makes sense there, but anywhere would be fine, so long as it's got a GUI. Aug 03 14:39:47 jhdeval does python Aug 03 14:40:11 :) Aug 03 14:40:22 what i'll do is modify the script to take a bt address or "auto" and if the latter it will try to grab it via gconftool-2 but bail if there is more than one Aug 03 14:40:32 milhouse: we can still salvage parts of your shell script for use in the .deb installer. the hcid.conf changes still need to be made, for example. Aug 03 14:40:40 actually the default (no param) will probably be auto Aug 03 14:41:08 BTW, anyone care to package that up? I'll do it if I have to, but I'm a bit bogged down at the moment. Aug 03 14:41:21 alternatively, could the address be determined at run time? Aug 03 14:41:25 by a2dpd? Aug 03 14:41:42 that way, if the user removes the headset and replaces it with another (after installing a2dp) then it still works? Aug 03 14:41:58 currently they're locked in to a particular headset and need to reinstall if they change it Aug 03 14:42:20 milhouse: I was thinking the BT address part would be either in control panel or the app menu. that way the user can re-run it. Aug 03 14:42:53 the .deb would just install the switching tool and run it once for setup, but then the user could run it again whenever. Aug 03 14:42:55 jhdeval, sorry for "pimping" out your python skills, I can be like that! you will find this community is actually very nice and friendly Aug 03 14:43:19 but apart from the rare number of users with multiple headsets, you could automatically identify the correct address by scanning gconf when a2dpd starts Aug 03 14:43:21 no problem. I have been looking for an oss project to work on Aug 03 14:43:24 jhdeval, its *very* unlike other communities that I have been or currently part of Aug 03 14:43:48 milhouse: I don't think so. I've got 3 bt devices, and only one is a headset. Aug 03 14:43:49 jhdeval, do you use python for web-based? ever mess with pylon? Aug 03 14:43:56 better to ask. Aug 03 14:44:08 By skill set is in the business world so I am a db programmer by nature. Aug 03 14:44:09 trevarthan: of those 3 devices, how many support the audio profile? Aug 03 14:44:31 milhouse: and how do you intend to detect which support which profile? Aug 03 14:44:33 I have looked at several ways of using python via the web and I always come to the same conclusion it just isn't mean for the web Aug 03 14:44:57 it's listed in the services node for each device Aug 03 14:45:05 doesn't hg use python Aug 03 14:45:10 hg? Aug 03 14:45:12 jhdeval: I'm a DB programmer too. I do PHP for a living. hate it though. love python. Aug 03 14:45:27 lol I hate php as well. It is so non intuitive Aug 03 14:45:41 let me get you the gconftool-2 code that dumps each device so you can see for yourself - give me a bit Aug 03 14:45:42 python is a really nice clean language Aug 03 14:45:43 trevarthan, same here, I use php but I think python is great for the web Aug 03 14:46:02 milhouse: oh... cool. so if there is only one device with an audio profile, use that. if two, ask, if none, display a warning stating that such and such program will need to be run after pairing the device. Aug 03 14:46:12 yes :) Aug 03 14:46:15 I am a web developer and svn is my friend Aug 03 14:46:42 lol Aug 03 14:46:43 erstazi: I like svn too. I'm not opposed to git though. It makes a lot of sense. Aug 03 14:46:47 Luckly, in an odd way, my team and I are developing an intranet based cms/dbms that is going to be released as AGPLv3 soon Aug 03 14:46:54 but if you can possibly detect the audio device when a2dp starts then it makes it easier for the user to chop and change headsets without upsetting the a2dp installation Aug 03 14:47:19 I am actually fluent in VB6,VB.Net, C#, Java, Python, Ruby, a bit of php, and some c/c++ Aug 03 14:47:22 alternatively, a simple reconfig/control panel applet will have to suffice Aug 03 14:47:25 milhouse: ah, I see. You're trying to get me to build that part into Kagu? Aug 03 14:47:30 you guys ever notice how the medical field uses dos apps? we want to change that by giving them a web-based app Aug 03 14:47:46 erstazi: Do you know why? Aug 03 14:48:00 trevarthan: well... i was thinking more about a2dpd but i guess that isn't compiled by you is it? Aug 03 14:48:21 milhouse: no. it's part of the bluetooth-alsa project. I don't screw with C/C++ if I can help it. Aug 03 14:48:27 X-fade: so how are things? Aug 03 14:48:27 or perhaps, how do things look? Aug 03 14:49:02 trevarthan: what about a wrapper script or pre-a2dp process that can determine the address... hmmm... getting messy... kagu would be the obvious candidate Aug 03 14:49:10 milhouse: I'd be happy to build that functionality into Kagu, but **only** if a separate interface exists for people who aren't using Kagu and I can hook into that via dbus or RPC. Aug 03 14:49:18 erstazi: That is because through the 80s and most of the 90s the premier language was Foxpro it made DB programming possible unfortunately it never came out of the dark ages. Aug 03 14:49:20 particularly as it's the only a2dp-aware application Aug 03 14:49:47 milhouse: yeah, but I expect that will change in the near future. we're paving the way here. Aug 03 14:49:47 jhdeval, oh I know, I work with a former COBOL programmer Aug 03 14:49:49 trevarthan: let me get some working gconftool2 shell script code then discuss more Aug 03 14:49:54 hg is the chemical symbol for mercury. Also the short name for Mercurial, a modern vcs Aug 03 14:50:09 milhouse: k. thanks for your hard work. Aug 03 14:50:22 lol My specialty is EDI now. I wrote a full EDI application and server from the ground up. Aug 03 14:50:25 jhdeval, we always talk "why do they stick with this"... I mean, some still pay for software upgrades for dos apps! Aug 03 14:50:29 trevarthan: thanks but i'd hardly call it hard work ;) Aug 03 14:50:45 What till they try and make it work in Vista. Thats a nightmare. Aug 03 14:50:54 why not give them an open source app and if they want support, they can pay for it Aug 03 14:51:07 jhdeval, many companies are not getting vista Aug 03 14:51:27 Open Source is only now starting to coming into its own. The business model is finally starting to work. Aug 03 14:51:28 milhouse: BTW, if you need to reach me, just send me a private IRC message. I've got some paid work I need to be doing, so I'm going to ignore #maemo for a while. Aug 03 14:51:30 web-based means it doesn't mattter what OS they use or browser Aug 03 14:51:36 erstazi: I noticed that. Aug 03 14:51:50 erstazi: oh sure Aug 03 14:51:51 trevarthan: sure will do Aug 03 14:52:02 timelE61i: oh sure what? Aug 03 14:52:03 erstazi: The web has not reached a maturity to completely replace desktop apps unfortunately. Aug 03 14:52:23 jhdeval, to a point, true, its moving that way though Aug 03 14:52:29 hi there, sorry for just dropping in and asking a question, but does anyone here used the kagu player in combination with a2dpd? Aug 03 14:52:35 I fully agree. Aug 03 14:52:45 I was against it at first Aug 03 14:52:54 my problem is, starting a2dpd manually and using the mplayer with alsa support work perfectly Aug 03 14:53:04 when I just built websites and not full applicational intranets Aug 03 14:53:05 I have been trying to rewrite my EDI desktop app as a web app. The problem I keep running into the lack of events in AJAX Aug 03 14:53:28 unless it only works on one browser on one platform at one colordepth in one resolution with one plugin version Aug 03 14:53:32 jhdeval, well, I use XHR myself (dislike the buzzword ajax) Aug 03 14:53:46 XHR? I am not familiar with that. Aug 03 14:53:48 however with the kagu player, if i click the bluetooth icon it turns on, but playing music simply does not work anymore (works with local output on n800) Aug 03 14:54:04 jhdeval, xmlhttprequest is powerful but the power is loss unless you make it unobtrusive Aug 03 14:54:17 ahhh Aug 03 14:54:56 I was thinking of going to a different server-side for a few projects, I thought RoR or Python Aug 03 14:55:01 greygoo: I'm the original Kagu author. I'm not sure what would cause that. If the command from step #10 of the howto works, then the BT button should work too as it runs the exact same command. Aug 03 14:55:15 See my problem is. I am looking for a drag and drop solution. The problem is I have multiple items going to multiple locations except AJAX doesn't see components only full objects. Aug 03 14:55:22 trevarthan: one sec, checkign what command #10 is Aug 03 14:55:37 RoR is nice but the is a steep learning curve. Aug 03 14:55:40 greygoo: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA Aug 03 14:55:41 yepp, that one worked :) Aug 03 14:55:47 are any of the microb developers around? Aug 03 14:55:53 jhdeval, normally I don't suggest using script.ul.ious or whatever but have you tried those? Aug 03 14:56:01 greygoo: did the BT button darken? Aug 03 14:56:08 RoR, I am ok with steep learning curves Aug 03 14:56:08 when you pressed it, I mean? Aug 03 14:56:42 gw Aug 03 14:56:42 maybe you're just not pressing it properly. The touch screen is finicky sometimes, and it's a small button area. Aug 03 14:56:52 trevarthan: yes, was "greyed out" when i started, once i clickeed it i saw the "volume control" interface on the screen and after about 2 seconds the bt button was fully dark blue Aug 03 14:57:12 It is powerful though. The other side is you have to develop your db while building the app using an existing db is a nightmare. Aug 03 14:57:20 greygoo: then you continued to hear music out of the n800's speakers? Aug 03 14:57:27 the songs just don;t play from that moment on, it just skips from one song to the next one. Once switching of the bt button, i can listen to the songs on the3 n800 locally Aug 03 14:57:38 gw280: what can i do for you? Aug 03 14:57:51 greygoo: ah. I see. hmmm.... Aug 03 14:58:01 do i have to still start a2dpd when i use kagu or is it started by clicking the bt button? Aug 03 14:58:10 i assumed it gets started Aug 03 14:58:14 greygoo: are your songs mp3s? or some other format? Aug 03 14:58:18 mp3 Aug 03 14:58:48 greygoo: a2dpd is started, managed, and shut down by Kagu and the BT button. Do *not* start it before running kagu. Aug 03 14:58:57 greygoo: could that be the problem? Aug 03 14:59:03 yes, that was what i did Aug 03 14:59:14 jhdeval, with RoR I haven't connected to a db yet, so you are saying it would be a pain to connect and query like postgresql or mysql? Aug 03 14:59:18 timelE61i: how does the EAL register itself with the browser UI so that its engine can be shown in the list? Aug 03 14:59:32 did not start it, but I'll try to reboot now and start kagu from freshly booted system so no conflicts are there for sure. Aug 03 14:59:49 No I mean if you are connecting to an existing db IE something you use somewhere else it is a pain. Aug 03 14:59:55 greygoo: let me know if it works for you now. If so, I'll try to build some safeguards against that into kagu. Aug 03 14:59:57 gw280: i'm headed home/offline for the weekend, so ask fast Aug 03 15:00:01 Like a customer db you already have Aug 03 15:00:13 ah Aug 03 15:00:15 I see Aug 03 15:00:18 got ya Aug 03 15:00:23 timelE61i: well, let's say we have a dummy eal Aug 03 15:00:24 lol Aug 03 15:00:24 I beliieve the list is hardcoded Aug 03 15:00:33 trevarthan: thanks, i was just curious if its some known problem or some common user error that i might accidently done Aug 03 15:00:45 timelE61i: and we install it on the n800, how does it register itself with the browser ui such that the browser lets you choose that engine for rendering? Aug 03 15:00:46 I'll just try in some minutes after its here agein and I'm back Aug 03 15:00:52 it has 3 Aug 03 15:01:06 btw, gizmo and the 770 work wonderfully, just a tad delay Aug 03 15:01:28 nice I am installing gizmo next, Aug 03 15:01:34 problem is, ui's expect localizable strings... Aug 03 15:01:37 Just installing pidgin now. Aug 03 15:01:41 I can make calls when I am connected to a wifi Aug 03 15:02:12 does pidgin need the protocols installed separately? Aug 03 15:02:22 yes Aug 03 15:02:27 Its for space saving Aug 03 15:02:46 trevarthan: so a2dpd uses ~/.a2dprc as well i assume. As i removed the xmms remote control commands, did not expect that this causes problems, in fact keeping them in crashed my a2dpd once i pressed some key on the bt headset Aug 03 15:03:15 about to be on my n770 Aug 03 15:03:16 brb Aug 03 15:03:32 you can try: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/trunk and look in the ui dir Aug 03 15:03:49 search for webcore Aug 03 15:04:15 it shouldn't have many hits Aug 03 15:04:18 has anyone tried VNC yet with their tablet? Aug 03 15:04:50 let me clarify, vncviewer Aug 03 15:04:56 iirc it's packaged... Aug 03 15:04:57 or similar app Aug 03 15:05:19 so presumably the packager :) Aug 03 15:05:29 trevarthan: nope, after a reboot the exact same behaviour, just jumps from a song to the next without playing them, bt icon is dark. Aug 03 15:05:38 timelE61i: hrm Aug 03 15:05:43 greygoo: yes, ~/.a2dprc is a2dpd's config file. Aug 03 15:06:01 some way to debug it? I think it must be some very small issue as it works perfectly if done step by step Aug 03 15:06:21 argl, i think i got it, one sec Aug 03 15:06:23 greygoo: can you open an xterm in the background and verify that a2dpd and mplayer are running when the BT icon is dark and a song is playing? Aug 03 15:06:30 alsa:device=a2dpd2 Aug 03 15:06:39 i used alsa:device=a2dpd for some strange reason Aug 03 15:06:43 gw280: sorry Aug 03 15:06:45 when doing it manually Aug 03 15:06:46 i was typing from memory Aug 03 15:06:55 on my cell phone... Aug 03 15:06:58 timelyx: that's ok Aug 03 15:07:00 hmmm can't seem to get pidgin to connect Aug 03 15:07:03 *editing .asound* Aug 03 15:07:09 greygoo: you'll need to change that in ~/.asoundrc so that it reads a2dpd2 Aug 03 15:07:10 timelyx: I found it, but we've been grepping those sources and not found antyhing yet Aug 03 15:07:17 err, .asound, yeah Aug 03 15:08:10 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/browser-ui/trunk/engine-chooser/engine-chooser.c#95 Aug 03 15:08:17 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=webcore&find=%2Fbrowser%2Fbrowser-ui%2Ftrunk&findi=&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=garage Aug 03 15:08:23 Found one matching line Aug 03 15:08:23 webcore Aug 03 15:08:23 € line 95 -- gtk_combo_box_append_text (GTK_COMBO_BOX (comboboxentry), "webcore"); Aug 03 15:08:23 This Aug 03 15:08:27 greygoo: OK, I've opened a ticket for you regarding the a2dpd launched before kagu issue. Maybe it wasn't your real problem, but you're not the first person to do that so I need to address it: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/10 Aug 03 15:08:56 hrm Aug 03 15:09:00 odd, that's not the right hit Aug 03 15:09:01 trevarthan: issue solved, works, pilot error Aug 03 15:09:06 but, that's a thing we don't ship Aug 03 15:09:10 note that it hard codes its list :) Aug 03 15:09:18 oh heh, and it doesn't include microb :) Aug 03 15:09:23 works perfect Aug 03 15:09:30 timelyx: right Aug 03 15:09:34 greygoo: cool. we're talking about automating that config stuff so user error isn't a factor anymore. hang with us. Aug 03 15:09:50 gw280: unfortunately the version on garage is what was in my local xref when i chose to rsync Aug 03 15:10:00 timelyx: right Aug 03 15:10:02 trevarthan: where can somebody open issues, as i found another smaller thing while doing the kagu-scan. I had two mp3 files whoose filenmae managed to crash the scanner program Aug 03 15:10:07 and i haven't quite decided how to arrange to do updates Aug 03 15:10:18 i think i'll probably have to write a mildly fancy script Aug 03 15:10:22 timelyx: so where's the code that microb uses to add itself to the browser ui? Aug 03 15:10:41 trevarthan: I'll test this with every new version i hear about, its the best solution i have seen up to now for listening to my mp3's with the headset Aug 03 15:10:42 yeah, we will need to update that hard-coded list to test the new browser engine in this case Aug 03 15:10:45 greygoo: BTW, you mentioned xmms in the ~/.a2dprc file. That doesn't sound like the latest file. The latest file from the website has kagu in there instead of xmms (xmms is commented out). Can you verify that you've got the latest file? You'll get tinny audio with the older file. Aug 03 15:11:39 greygoo: we're aware of the scanner issue. Can you provide us with a sample mp3 that crashes the scanner? We're trying to fix the issue, but we need raw material. Aug 03 15:12:01 oh, yes, will check. I just commented out the xmms stuff and i increased the rate value to the max, so if there is anything else new I'll update Aug 03 15:12:05 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-ui/src/browsermenu_cb.c#934 Aug 03 15:12:09 up to now the sound does not sound tinny at all ;) Aug 03 15:12:15 is where we offer tabbed / windowed views :) Aug 03 15:12:28 i see Aug 03 15:12:34 the browser chooser is a menu above/below it in the ui Aug 03 15:12:34 kagu - remote Aug 03 15:12:38 I'll buy it ;) Aug 03 15:12:41 greygoo: so you upped the bitpool setting to 53? The lower value is what causes tinny audio. Aug 03 15:13:13 darn Aug 03 15:13:17 the svn connection isn't there Aug 03 15:13:18 trevarthan: yes i guess i raised all values to max or the recommended value if not already been there Aug 03 15:13:19 * timelyx wonders why Aug 03 15:13:25 greygoo: I don't think those AVRCP commands work in 1.0.1 of kagu. Something about the shell script, I think. But leave those in there. We'll sort it out for 1.1. Aug 03 15:13:31 as long as it did not get slowwer i kept my changes Aug 03 15:14:14 trevarthan: ok, you have a tester waiting eager to try new versions ;) Aug 03 15:14:24 greygoo: BTW, look for a 1.1 release late this weekend. It'll have lots of bug fixes and performance improvements, and maybe some seek functionality. Aug 03 15:14:36 timelyx: it would be helpful to the WebKit/Gtk+ porting effort and probably others if these hard-coded browser lists could be made more dynamic Aug 03 15:15:16 alp: webkit hooks are already present Aug 03 15:15:29 in fact, iirc the webkit code is also in the svn reop Aug 03 15:15:36 lots of things might be helpful Aug 03 15:15:51 trevarthan: will do, i usually play aarounfd on the weekend and don;t touch it under the week. I just started the weekend a bit earlier today :) Aug 03 15:15:57 but in general, instead of saying that, search before suggesting, and post a bug w/ a patch instead of suggesting Aug 03 15:16:01 i am only aware of a port of the old WebCore engine Aug 03 15:16:14 is there a distinction? Aug 03 15:16:22 they are quite different Aug 03 15:16:30 * timelyx shrugs Aug 03 15:16:47 any time i list a deficiency, please assume i'm aware that it is one Aug 03 15:16:53 i don't need to be reminded of them Aug 03 15:17:17 * timelyx debates running svn update for garage Aug 03 15:18:10 trevarthan: btw. I already mentioned it in the tt thread, if you renice the m,player and a2dpd it gets even better :) Aug 03 15:20:15 svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/bomberman': Server certificate verification failed: issuer is not trusted (https://garage.maemo.org) Aug 03 15:20:17 * timelyx wines Aug 03 15:20:19 * timelyx whines ? Aug 03 15:29:38 what would be more useful is for me to find the guy who wrote the doxygen docs for eal Aug 03 15:29:41 and get the docs published Aug 03 15:29:50 that's on my very long list for next week, hopefully early Aug 03 15:31:04 greygoo: that requires root, doesn't it? Aug 03 15:31:05 timelyx: what's the point in the dummy EAL documentation page if everything's hardcoded? Aug 03 15:31:15 gw280: don't ask me Aug 03 15:31:24 i didn't know anything about the dummy eal Aug 03 15:31:29 brilliant. Aug 03 15:31:39 we're lots of independent projects who don't talk to eachother Aug 03 15:31:44 hrm Aug 03 15:31:54 do you happen to know who worked on the dummy eal stuff? Aug 03 15:31:56 even though i should know about all of them based on my official ttitle Aug 03 15:32:09 trevarthan: oh, you are right, it does Aug 03 15:32:15 which i won't disclose since it clearly makes me look stupid at this point :) Aug 03 15:32:45 greygoo: not sure if there is a way to do that when I'm starting mplayer and a2dpd from kagu. if there is, I want to, but I think only root can do that. Aug 03 15:32:58 * timelyx chuckles Aug 03 15:33:19 nice to see the eal docs link to paths that don't exist Aug 03 15:33:26 why didn't someone file a bug complaining about that? Aug 03 15:33:35 mh, i'm not sure if only renice needs root, if you start apps with a given nice value i'm not sure you also have to be root. Aug 03 15:33:42 (the path is wrong in adition to everything else) Aug 03 15:33:48 timelyx, what's your official title then?-) Aug 03 15:33:55 timelyx: we liked that too... :) Aug 03 15:34:04 greygoo: you can generally renice in one direction w/o being root Aug 03 15:34:10 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch Aug 03 15:34:13 renicing in the other direction w/o being root ime doesn't work Aug 03 15:34:22 even if you're only trying to go back to the original priority Aug 03 15:34:24 which imo is a bug Aug 03 15:35:55 gw280: unfortunately, i really don't know Aug 03 15:35:58 ok, but for the a2dpdmplayer stuff this should be ok, I don;t want to change the values, i just want them to run with nice value of -13 or so Aug 03 15:36:00 and from here, i can't check Aug 03 15:36:28 timelyx: hrm Aug 03 15:36:41 gw280: i have <25mins to do various home related things Aug 03 15:36:46 and then my day/week ends Aug 03 15:37:02 timelyx: it just seems a bit of a waste that Nokia spent goodness knows how long creating a really nice abstraction layer for their browser, only to hard code which browser engines could be abstracted Aug 03 15:37:03 greygoo: gimme a sec. I'll test that in mplayer.py. Aug 03 15:37:06 i tried checking svn but as the directory doesn't exist Aug 03 15:37:11 gw280 Aug 03 15:37:17 : well... we open sourced the ui Aug 03 15:37:22 so anyone could replace it w/ a better one Aug 03 15:37:29 personally i think the whole exercise is silly Aug 03 15:37:31 timelyx: where is the UI? Aug 03 15:37:39 trevarthan: the basi problem with starting an app with different nice value was the absence of the "nice" command itself Aug 03 15:37:45 I only have renice available ... Aug 03 15:37:50 gw280: the links to timeless.justdave.net are the ui Aug 03 15:38:14 I emailed the maintainer of the wifi driver like a week ago Aug 03 15:38:14 timelyx: right Aug 03 15:38:16 but he hasn't replied Aug 03 15:38:17 :( Aug 03 15:38:19 greygoo: yeah, you're right. that sucks. Aug 03 15:38:25 gw280: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-ui/src/ Aug 03 15:38:26 gw280: if you add .svn/ to any of those dirs Aug 03 15:38:32 let me see if there is any way to do that using python Aug 03 15:38:32 you can get to the svn paths Aug 03 15:38:33 maybe he doesn't speak english? I'll get some of my finnish friends to translate Aug 03 15:38:40 alp: thanks Aug 03 15:38:43 timelyx: aha. Aug 03 15:38:50 no one here works for nokia? they could go knock on his cubicle or something? Aug 03 15:39:00 procto: so of us go home for weekends Aug 03 15:39:04 we might stay overnight, Aug 03 15:39:08 but i draw the line at friday Aug 03 15:39:12 his name is Kalle Valo Aug 03 15:39:24 hehe Aug 03 15:39:26 alright Aug 03 15:39:38 I'll wait some more :> Aug 03 15:39:47 procto: bug me monday morning if you need help Aug 03 15:39:49 my finnish is limited to a single word right now Aug 03 15:39:52 timelyx: k, will do Aug 03 15:39:58 i don't speak finnish, but i am willing to walk down halls Aug 03 15:40:13 but you're in finland right now? Aug 03 15:40:18 yes Aug 03 15:40:21 at nokia? Aug 03 15:40:24 yes Aug 03 15:40:26 ah Aug 03 15:40:29 well, at home, but... Aug 03 15:40:30 so they hire internationals? Aug 03 15:40:37 a lot Aug 03 15:40:38 our group has many actually Aug 03 15:40:46 heh, one of my friends works in the post office night shift over the summers Aug 03 15:40:47 especially from brazil apparently :D Aug 03 15:40:48 probably more nationalities than most groups in the entire company Aug 03 15:40:53 greygoo: I've got a nice() function in python. Not sure if you can renice your own processes to a higher priority without being root though. Aug 03 15:40:54 so I keep thinking of finns as having the same timezone as me Aug 03 15:41:03 frob: actually, afaik most of those aren't employees Aug 03 15:41:19 nokia also does a *lot* of subcontracting Aug 03 15:41:31 frob: you probably mean idnt, no? Aug 03 15:41:39 indt Aug 03 15:41:40 sorry, I mean, INdT Aug 03 15:41:47 heh, beat me! Aug 03 15:41:47 and that's not employees in general Aug 03 15:41:58 hence my preemptive strike :) Aug 03 15:42:15 indt is at the very least a bit strange Aug 03 15:42:19 anyone want to try btscan.sh? http://www.nmacleod.com/a2dp/btscan.sh Aug 03 15:42:27 i think it's essentially a company created to partner the university w/ nokia Aug 03 15:42:27 should detect any paired headset Aug 03 15:42:38 but which allows their people to do other stuff at the same time in the same areas Aug 03 15:42:45 * timelyx doesn't understand it Aug 03 15:42:54 it's worse than my failure to understand browser/nokia workings Aug 03 15:43:12 anyway, have a good weekend all. search first and bother me monday morning Aug 03 15:43:16 trevarthan: i can renice my processes, as I AM ROOT (evil laughter in the background) ;) I just thought normal users won't like that power :) Aug 03 15:43:55 milhouse: Multiple trusted audio-compatible Bluetooth devices available. Aug 03 15:43:55 Please unpair or untrust duplicate audio devices and try again. Aug 03 15:44:06 milhouse: I've only got my phone and my headset paired. Aug 03 15:44:18 ok so it should detect your headset Aug 03 15:44:24 just run ./btscan.sh Aug 03 15:44:37 it doesn't do anything but attempt to find one device and list it's name and address Aug 03 15:44:57 if it finds more than one it outputs a message instructing you to unpair or untrust the duplicate devices Aug 03 15:45:01 milhouse: isn;t the btscan stuff available since some time, or is that another bt scanner i constatnly see popping by on different websites Aug 03 15:45:05 and if it finds no suitable devices it tells you that oo Aug 03 15:45:16 s/oo/too/ Aug 03 15:45:16 milhouse meant: and if it finds no suitable devices it tells you that too Aug 03 15:45:31 greygoo - that's something else Aug 03 15:45:46 milhouse: I did run ./btscan.sh. that's what it said. Aug 03 15:45:57 greygoo - this is just a quick hack to easily identify the currently paired audio headset... doesn't really do any scanning at all :) Aug 03 15:46:10 trevarthan - gotcha, right then.. success. :) Aug 03 15:46:46 for the time being i'll amend the thread on itt and make btscan.sh available for anyone who wants it Aug 03 15:47:11 i won't roll into into the install script right now to avoid complication Aug 03 15:47:16 milhouse: sort of success. :( I bet a lot of people have phones paired. Aug 03 15:47:27 it will ignore the phone Aug 03 15:47:32 unless it supports the audio profile Aug 03 15:47:34 milhouse: it bloody didn't. Aug 03 15:47:40 ah, should have done Aug 03 15:48:05 ok, i need more info on your phone... mk2 coming up Aug 03 15:49:49 does anyone know a good source of 8G SD cards for N800 in the UK? Aug 03 15:50:32 trevarthan: don;t want to disappoint you, but the buttons on my bt headset already control the kagu player quite well, just the already known delay is visible Aug 03 15:51:11 greygoo: that's fine with me. :) I'm having issues here though. Aug 03 15:51:34 trevarthan: i see, yes it's not perfect, but more i ever dared to expect ;) Aug 03 15:52:08 hmm. they seem expensive (60GBP)... maybe i'll wait Aug 03 15:52:15 gpd: personally i wouldn't consider buying them for another 6 months Aug 03 15:52:28 or at least until 5.2007 ships (if such an animal happens to go out the door) Aug 03 15:52:42 it's a bad investment/gamble imo Aug 03 15:52:43 timelyx: ok - top tip - thanks Aug 03 15:53:01 some other maemo forum will explain why i consider it such... Aug 03 15:54:44 greygoo: they're telling me on #python that there is no way to nice the process at startup, and I need to be root to raise the priority after startup, so we're out of luck there. Aug 03 15:58:26 greygoo: BTW, the SVN version of kagu goes into a low CPU mode when it is placed in the background. That should help a lot with skipping and multi-tasking. Aug 03 15:59:03 greygoo: as of last night, the SVN version uses a lot less RAM too. Aug 03 15:59:43 feel free to check it out (instructions on the kagu home page, all you need is the SVN client from maemo.org) and give it a spin yourself. Aug 03 16:00:07 it's all python, so there's nothing to compile. just check out and run it. Aug 03 16:08:39 where are the playlists stored for audio player? Aug 03 16:10:23 ah got it: /var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/osso-music-player/%gconf.xml Aug 03 16:39:58 hey, anyone want to re-implement milhouse's btscan.sh and install.sh in python for us with a nice GUI? Once we get a GUI on it, we can roll a nice user friendly version of bluetooth-alsa on maemo.org. Aug 03 16:41:07 trevarthan: I can probably convert the script to python but I am not familiar with hildon yet Aug 03 16:41:36 you don't need to be with python. there are only like 2 or 3 calls you need to make. the rest is straight GTK. Aug 03 16:42:13 i haven't done much work with gtk in python but I can certainly try Aug 03 16:42:13 you can check out kagu-scanner.py for some simple examples: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/kagu-scanner.py Aug 03 16:43:16 where do I find the script you are talking about? Aug 03 16:43:37 johndeval: http://www.nmacleod.com/a2dp/btscan.sh Aug 03 16:45:07 johndeval: milhouse's install.sh is here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8265&page=3 Aug 03 16:45:16 wow its gonna require a little bit of work. Do you want a true python implement or are system calls ok? Aug 03 16:45:30 or from www.nmacleod.com/a2dp/install.sh (latest version) Aug 03 16:45:45 johndeval: true python please. Aug 03 16:45:48 i'll update that thread shortly Aug 03 16:46:12 I cant work with it right this second but I will give it some love this weekend. Aug 03 16:46:56 actually to avoid noise i'll create a new thread for the "simplified a2dp installation" Aug 03 16:47:28 Sounds good. put all the requirements in there. first person to code it "wins". :) Aug 03 16:48:46 then I or someone else will roll all of the bluetooth-alsa packages along with the new python app into a meta package and put it on maemo.org and everyone will be crazy happy. Aug 03 16:49:11 lol Aug 03 16:50:14 I have a dumb question what does this script help you acomplish? Aug 03 16:50:40 btscan.sh will identify your paired bluetooth headset address Aug 03 16:51:28 currently the user has to run hcitool scan while the headset is in pairing mode which is a bit of a hassle Aug 03 16:51:38 this should make life a (tiny) bit easier Aug 03 16:52:20 so now they pair their device, run btscan.sh, paste the address as a parameter to install.sh, run install.sh a second time as root (no parameter) and in theory they'll have a fully working a2dp system installed. Aug 03 16:55:36 So technically btscan and install should be one app? Aug 03 16:58:56 hey peeps Aug 03 16:59:09 dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN Aug 03 16:59:22 Got 98304 bytes instead of 994048 at 16384 Aug 03 16:59:38 for my internal memo card Aug 03 16:59:48 it keeps losing files Aug 03 17:00:03 and sometimes won't save Aug 03 17:01:31 what's up with it Aug 03 17:07:05 is it just on my end or did maemo.org go belly up? Aug 03 17:08:34 has anyone tried porting keepass to maemo? Aug 03 17:14:21 grrrrrrrrr Aug 03 17:15:01 pcfe, it seems there server is down Aug 03 17:15:08 nevermind Aug 03 17:15:09 I am wrong Aug 03 17:15:20 pcfe, what do you mean belly up specifically? Aug 03 17:36:29 erstazi: it's back up. I got a redirect error Aug 03 17:39:49 any news on bug 1204 Aug 03 17:40:05 it's doing my nut Aug 03 17:42:32 mornin Aug 03 17:42:50 pcfe, ok Aug 03 18:02:12 Ta dum logged inroot Aug 03 18:02:24 Via pidgin Aug 03 18:02:59 Cant see what i am typing though Aug 03 18:08:13 is there an app that can draw/sketch that I can actually edit colors on using the color picker? Aug 03 18:08:18 i.e. not just pick one of 12 builtins Aug 03 18:12:27 AHHHH I am so tired of my internet we just lost dns resolution Aug 03 18:14:34 new a2dp install instructions: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65329#post65329 Aug 03 18:14:36 feedback welcome :) Aug 03 18:30:36 procto you can try mtpaint Aug 03 18:31:01 http://pupnik.de/mtpaint.html Aug 03 18:31:03 needs work tho Aug 03 18:31:50 am I still here? Aug 03 18:36:15 1 Aug 03 18:41:33 WOW ITS small Aug 03 18:41:54 Exactly what are we talking about now? ;) Aug 03 18:41:55 The text in xchat on the n770 is tiny Aug 03 18:42:07 oh right... gets mind out of gutter. Aug 03 18:42:14 sm@rt @ss Aug 03 18:42:25 :) Aug 03 18:42:49 pupnik: thanks, I'll check it out Aug 03 18:45:21 so the xkbd has trouble sending to fullscreen sdl apps i've tried Aug 03 18:52:02 OMG Gayest thing ever Aug 03 18:52:03 http://mail.google.com/mail/help/gmail_video.html#utm_source=en-et-newfea&utm_medium=et&utm_campaign=en Aug 03 18:53:00 need more data Aug 03 18:53:20 How do i install Skype on my Nokia 770? Aug 03 18:53:32 as root, apt-get install skype Aug 03 18:54:05 i wonder if the keypad filter Z4300 prevents the multiple keypress, or whether it's a software limitation Aug 03 18:54:48 How do i become root? I have installed xterm, and "sudo su" does not work Aug 03 18:54:57 becomeroot? Aug 03 18:54:57 <_Monkey> somebody said becomeroot was easily obtained from http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot Aug 03 18:57:03 William... I was kidding. You can't install Skype on a 770 Aug 03 18:57:29 (Sorry) Aug 03 18:58:29 :) - How do i install Gaim? Aug 03 18:58:45 Install Pidgin Aug 03 18:59:35 pidgin? Aug 03 18:59:35 <_Monkey> i guess pidgin is http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 03 19:05:21 how do you see what percentage battery is remaining?? Aug 03 19:06:17 Wow i need to add a lot of mirrors :P Aug 03 19:07:29 Isn't there an official mirror with pidgin? Aug 03 19:07:49 william: that page is it, i think Aug 03 19:09:31 Yes - But i have to add some unofficial mirrors, which i don't like. Aug 03 19:10:00 no other options i'm afraid Aug 03 19:10:17 maemo-hackers.org is quite safe Aug 03 19:10:37 it's been around a _long_ time and doesn't host anything nasty Aug 03 19:11:19 you can always disable the "third party" repositories once you have installed pidgin, although that may mean you miss any udpates Aug 03 19:12:12 ok - But I also need to add other mirrors i see Aug 03 19:12:17 idefix.go-nic.ca Aug 03 19:12:30 that's the main pidgin site for this build... Aug 03 19:12:40 ie. the authors site Aug 03 19:13:53 ok Aug 03 19:27:07 Thanks :) Aug 03 19:27:09 see ya Aug 03 19:33:51 grumble, file transfer, grumble... Aug 03 19:47:36 no one answered me previously, how do i check the percentage of the battery Aug 03 19:51:05 amr: what do you mean? what are you? Aug 03 19:51:23 what am i? Aug 03 19:51:24 <_Monkey> you are a massive idiot, thank you Aug 03 19:51:31 * sp3000 rofl Aug 03 19:51:33 useful bot Aug 03 19:51:50 amr: if you're human, you look at the statusbar battery indicator... Aug 03 19:51:58 if you're a program, you ...dunno Aug 03 19:52:10 that doesnt say a percentage Aug 03 19:52:45 it shows a tiny representation of a battery Aug 03 19:53:11 I'm not sure why a finer granularity is interesting Aug 03 19:58:29 <`0660> well maybe amr is developing a program that would use it... Aug 03 19:58:34 lol, i am new to the whole maemo thing, but in all of my experiences i have seen nothing better than a bar indicator Aug 03 19:59:01 i would just like to know something a bit more exact Aug 03 19:59:58 would be a nice feature, maybe one of the system plugins or status applications would have that, i found a few with CPU and MEM usage as well as more info on wifi signal etc.. Aug 03 20:00:00 <`0660> in my experiences the percentage changes so quickly that there's no need to know it with better granularity :) Aug 03 20:00:41 my battery lasts about 4-5 hours i think a better resoultion on battery strength would be usefull to some peeps Aug 03 20:00:52 but i'm not stressing needing it Aug 03 20:01:14 well im not going to monitor it, id just like if i could click the icon and get told the percentage Aug 03 20:02:34 is there a non-root way of doing file transfer (that dont involve bluetooth, it has its own issues)? Aug 03 20:03:10 btw, the maemo stuff on setting up ssh no longer match the available tools imo Aug 03 20:03:56 I USE MaemoFTP Aug 03 20:05:19 duh, how on earth did i miss that one?! Aug 03 20:05:48 hehe, i am still trying to get the Samba stuff to work Aug 03 20:06:44 i have smbrowser installed but it fails to see a laptop i have a share active on :( Aug 03 20:06:59 mounts shares (if lucky enuff to search them out) and i see them in file manager all directory structure is there, but files copied are only on my Nokia wont place them to the remote dir. as well none of the dir contents on the rem. share are visible Aug 03 20:07:41 i put off researching that till time permits.. Aug 03 20:08:56 on a good note.. i bought a bluetooth gps (Pharos) and installed maemo-mapper.. works like a charm :) downloads maps from google on the fly, never more than a 1/4 black bar on the edge of screen (waiting for maps) while i cruise Aug 03 20:10:59 hmm, is maemo.org down? Aug 03 20:11:21 nope, so its only my 770 thats having issues Aug 03 20:12:34 disq, ??? Aug 03 20:12:34 <_Monkey> disq, is there no repo? just install deb from the side....? Aug 03 20:12:51 where is disq? Aug 03 20:12:51 <_Monkey> i heard disq was correct, although having a linux pc (even a live cd distro) is a lot, lot easier and more useful in the long run Aug 03 20:13:40 tso, I can check Aug 03 20:13:52 works now Aug 03 20:13:57 yeah Aug 03 20:14:00 it kept going on and off Aug 03 20:14:03 erstazi, i figured out my mistake with the theme.. Aug 03 20:14:20 for some reason it went into eternal connect when i tried to go directly to maemo.org/downloads Aug 03 20:15:04 does anyone know/have a theme with really big fonts? 18+ i have been looking and cannot seem to find one (other than AquaOS and i dont care for that) Aug 03 20:16:11 _Monkey: forget disq, Aug 03 20:16:12 <_Monkey> sp3000: I forgot disq, Aug 03 20:16:45 no wonder i missed maemoftp, it was in the wip section... Aug 03 20:20:25 hmm, is there a applet or similar that can show the devices current ip? Aug 03 20:20:54 yes there is a systool that gives detailed wifi info Aug 03 20:21:51 has anyone here gotten their n770 to boot fom MMC yet? Aug 03 20:22:02 nchntr, pupnik has Aug 03 20:32:14 what would the name of said ip address systool be? Aug 03 20:33:27 forget it. how the hell did i miss that one all this time?! Aug 03 20:34:44 just wish there was some way to put that on the "desktop" Aug 03 20:34:58 its ok im looking now Aug 03 20:35:17 what is ip address sytool for Aug 03 20:35:48 forget it. gigant typo :P Aug 03 20:35:48 downloads/system/ IpHome homepage plugin Aug 03 20:35:56 thanks Aug 03 20:36:27 hmm, im surprised i missed it. i had allready checked that page atleast ones today... Aug 03 20:41:18 http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif << virtual keyboard for any application Aug 03 20:42:14 interesting "theme" Aug 03 20:43:08 it does interfere soemwhat tho Aug 03 20:43:19 keyboard? Aug 03 20:43:20 <_Monkey> keyboard is, like, important to have Aug 03 20:43:59 yeah running the keyboard preverts me from opening 2nd level menus Aug 03 20:44:13 prevents Aug 03 20:44:18 perverts Aug 03 20:44:36 ahhh maybe i found the problem Aug 03 20:51:01 keyboard? USB or BT? Aug 03 20:52:00 +on screen Aug 03 20:52:09 pupnik, any insight as to getting my n770 to boot from MMC (with the least amt. of system mods)? Aug 03 20:52:28 there's a howto Aug 03 20:53:04 lol there are a few or many.. not sure which is best approach, figured someone out there might have some suggestions Aug 03 20:53:18 mmcboot? Aug 03 20:53:52 currently im considering the one that has you Pipe copy the os to a ext2 partition, then use flasher to boot from mmc Aug 03 20:54:06 _Monkey mmcboot is How to EASILY Boot from MMC card at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card Aug 03 20:54:07 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Aug 03 20:54:17 i have also seen one which uses unionfs Aug 03 20:54:25 bleh @ unionfs Aug 03 20:55:15 less reliability Aug 03 20:57:52 hmm, got maemoftp going, but it just sitts there spinning when reading the home area of the suer i log in as... Aug 03 20:59:03 can you ftp from other clients? Aug 03 21:00:00 yep Aug 03 21:00:59 ive never seen the default mail client actually connect to my mail server Aug 03 21:01:03 either of them, is that normal? Aug 03 21:01:19 hmm, u see a directory setting, is that needed to be set? Aug 03 21:01:19 If I purchase a N800 in Germany can I change the operating system to English? Aug 03 21:01:24 dunno, i use webmail for simplicity Aug 03 21:01:33 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. Aug 03 21:02:19 ffoegboy: tools->control panel->language and region (or the equivalent in german) Aug 03 21:02:21 interestingly it seems to be fully connected, it just fails at getting the content of the dir Aug 03 21:04:07 found the problem. kill active mode and ascii transfer :P Aug 03 21:04:16 pupnik, Thanks, So if I do that all comands will be in English. I purchased some software in Germany last year and when changed to english all the base commands were still in german and I cant read Geerman? Aug 03 21:05:08 the rest of the tablet os is displaying in english, but only that one piece of software is still in german? Aug 03 21:06:42 pupnik, No that was not for a N800, it was adobe illustrator for my laptop but I will be in Germany in a few weeks and the N800 is not going to be released in Australia at least for a while Aug 03 21:07:47 Congrats on the decision to get a N800 mate! :) I don't understand the question then. Aug 03 21:08:06 I got my n770 in germany and all the language stuff is in english (through settings) Aug 03 21:08:14 you can change it yes Aug 03 21:08:28 pupnik, If I but a German n800 will I be able to use it as I cant read German? Aug 03 21:08:38 pupnik, should read if I buy Aug 03 21:08:54 yeah you can change the language to english and all stuff should appear as english Aug 03 21:09:58 pupnik, thanks I will order one, they look great!! do you know what the best GPS reciever to get would be? Aug 03 21:11:14 don't know. check compatibility first Aug 03 21:11:14 to bad the internal pdf-reader cant flip pages to vertical... Aug 03 21:11:35 there is also poppler-tools for pdftohtml Aug 03 21:12:04 hmm? Aug 03 21:12:20 pupnik, OK thanks anyway I cant wait to get one and start playing :-) Aug 03 21:14:07 Whats the biggest difference between a 770 and 800? Aug 03 21:14:18 bigger cpu and more ram? Aug 03 21:14:25 and the design ;) Aug 03 21:14:48 pro: better screen (on n800); con: no hard cover on n800 Aug 03 21:15:02 two sd slots on n800 Aug 03 21:15:52 floating point unit on n800 (better performance). n800 has pretty bad video bandwidth though, 770 is possibly better Aug 03 21:16:04 hmm Aug 03 21:16:17 <||cw> I though video on the n800 was better Aug 03 21:16:31 I like my 770 I am looking at the 800 and the design is a little funny but without holding it kinda hard to tell Aug 03 21:16:37 <||cw> 800 has SDHC as well, 2 of them Aug 03 21:16:57 ||cw - the n800 has more cpu horsepower, but the video bandwidth has been compromised due to the hardware design Aug 03 21:17:41 the net result being the n800 will never perform as well as it "should" have done in theory Aug 03 21:18:05 So if you had a choice which one? Aug 03 21:18:11 every time I hold a 770 these days it reminds me of why the n800 is so wrong Aug 03 21:18:15 Cost not being a factor feature for feature. Aug 03 21:18:42 with luck nokia will be right on the money with the "n900" Aug 03 21:18:43 so thats why youtube "failed" on the n800? Aug 03 21:18:43 So then you are saying I made the right choice with the 770 Aug 03 21:18:50 tso - has it failed? Aug 03 21:19:00 well, it depends on who you ask... Aug 03 21:19:09 johdeval - for the current price i think it's hard to argue against buying the 770 Aug 03 21:19:11 the last update may have helped ;) Aug 03 21:19:34 milhouse: I agree but I wanted to take price out of the equation. Aug 03 21:19:39 i doubt youtube is sucky due to bandwidth issues Aug 03 21:19:55 mplayer would benefit from better video bandwidth though Aug 03 21:20:36 it would be interesting if opera managed to convince w3c to go with ogg as a native media format for the web :) Aug 03 21:20:46 Do any of you guys use tversity with the 770? I have it working and it seems to work ok on tv shows but feature length moves it just craps out on. Aug 03 21:20:51 when i dpkg-buildpackage it always builds with default options... how do i pass options to the configure script? Aug 03 21:20:56 johdeval - in that case, the n800 from a hardware point of view is a substantial improvement over the 770. unfortunately the design is a step backwards (i prefer the 770 and the hard case) and the video bandwidth issue is a shame. maybe next time... Aug 03 21:21:36 johdeval - i've used tversity with the 770 but i never watched an entire film Aug 03 21:21:40 er... movie. Aug 03 21:22:56 Did you try a movie? Aug 03 21:24:54 i did... they seemed to play ok for the few minutes i watched them Aug 03 21:25:01 how do i press enter in xterm Aug 03 21:25:33 there is a small one on the virtual keyboard... Aug 03 21:25:36 watching a film on a 770/n800 doesn't appeal to me (as i have a big screen in the lounge for that kind of thing) Aug 03 21:25:46 where abouts Aug 03 21:26:02 right hand side Aug 03 21:26:05 I have tversity setup to share my media while I am on the road. Aug 03 21:26:13 below the backspace Aug 03 21:26:31 second down from the top on the right is enter. top is backspace. Aug 03 21:26:46 oh shit Aug 03 21:26:50 my bad, i mean escape Aug 03 21:26:51 sorry Aug 03 21:27:10 escape is the hard button below the d-pad Aug 03 21:27:17 escape/menu/home Aug 03 21:27:36 ahhh Aug 03 21:27:39 cheers Aug 03 21:27:53 johdeval - ah right, yes that would be more useful... :) Aug 03 21:28:21 I am hoping to use my 770 for that. I have to say I am impressed with the battery life. Aug 03 21:28:27 I has lasted all day Aug 03 21:28:59 also cant get porn while on the road. I need my girls gone wild fix. LOL Aug 03 21:43:41 hello Aug 03 21:43:42 <_Monkey> hello, senuxis Aug 03 21:44:01 thank god! Aug 03 21:44:11 some body finally replied Aug 03 21:44:31 some of the channels in here are like ghost channels Aug 03 21:45:15 Monkey, do you know of poky linux? Aug 03 21:45:56 @_Monkey: do you know of poky linux? Aug 03 21:47:27 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22poky+linux Aug 03 21:47:39 http://pokylinux.org/ Aug 03 21:47:59 interesting Aug 03 21:48:00 has any one installed it on the n800? Aug 03 21:48:18 Nay is it possible? Aug 03 21:48:42 apparently so; they've got images Aug 03 21:48:51 on their website Aug 03 21:49:02 http://pokylinux.org/ Aug 03 21:49:22 I see that. Aug 03 21:49:22 but it's experimental Aug 03 21:49:34 I wonder if it would work on the 770 as well. Aug 03 21:49:47 so, i was wondering if any one's done it Aug 03 21:50:20 i think the IT xomap looks slimmer than their full-blown (bloat) X11, not sure tho Aug 03 21:51:16 sato's suppose to be quite lightt Aug 03 21:51:22 senuxis: The problem is the software would be optimized for the n800 then. What yoube able to install? Aug 03 21:51:40 would not Aug 03 21:52:01 it should be compatible with the openembedded stuff Aug 03 21:53:16 johdeval: the solution should be simple as they're mostly open source Aug 03 22:01:41 all right guys have a good weekend this joes calling it quits Aug 03 22:02:58 whats the recommended media player on hre Aug 03 22:03:00 here* Aug 03 22:04:10 canola Aug 03 22:04:11 <_Monkey> i think canola is just even more worthless with shared forlders than the mplayer frontend Aug 03 22:04:34 ehehehe Aug 03 22:07:04 shit Aug 03 22:07:18 how do i get rid of the presence thing Aug 03 22:08:33 nm Aug 03 22:09:26 is any one here willing to test out poky linux on the n800? Aug 03 22:15:16 senuxis: someone here at indt tested it yesterday Aug 03 22:15:18 senuxis: why? Aug 03 22:15:49 ok. does it work well? Aug 03 22:15:57 senuxis: seems so Aug 03 22:16:07 did it brick any thing? Aug 03 22:16:12 senuxis: no Aug 03 22:16:24 can you post instructions some where? Aug 03 22:16:36 senuxis: it don't feel that fine usability-wise, but it's a bit better than regular hildon stuff Aug 03 22:16:56 senuxis: I didn't followed the procedure, some other guy (not present here ATM) did Aug 03 22:17:08 damn Aug 03 22:17:22 senuxis: seems that these instructions are available at their website Aug 03 22:17:26 have you checked it? Aug 03 22:17:34 i've checked it Aug 03 22:17:40 i see no instructions Aug 03 22:18:05 what's the link? Aug 03 22:18:05 <_Monkey> the link is at http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html Aug 03 22:19:38 hey guys Aug 03 22:19:54 any advice on an UPnP AV media server to stream to MediaStreamer on a 770? Aug 03 22:20:05 must be windows based Aug 03 22:20:20 if it comes as a foobar plugin, that's perfect Aug 03 22:21:06 strid: simplemedia, twonky and tversity are good Aug 03 22:23:02 could you direct me to simplemedia's website? Aug 03 22:23:18 strid: sorry, no link on my part Aug 03 22:24:37 I can't find it on google Aug 03 22:24:47 there are plenty of PR firms and polish blogs Aug 03 22:24:56 but no streaming servers Aug 03 22:27:34 uh Aug 03 22:27:40 k-s[WORK]: is simplemedia part of simplecenter? Aug 03 22:32:47 strid: dunno, just heard of it Aug 03 22:42:58 ho..ly.. shit Aug 03 22:43:03 windows media player 11 Aug 03 22:43:21 it's actually working flawlessly Aug 03 22:43:29 heh Aug 03 22:43:29 and being completely awesome Aug 03 22:43:45 there must be black magic involved Aug 03 22:44:07 I had to wave my hand between my laptop and my 770 just to make sure there weren't any hidden strings or cables Aug 03 22:44:25 using what Aug 03 22:44:36 what Aug 03 22:44:39 mplayer? Aug 03 22:44:57 wmp11 streaming to mediastreamer on 770 Aug 03 22:45:00 i still think wmp11 is bloated Aug 03 22:45:02 hooked up to my stereo Aug 03 22:45:14 well no shit it's bloated, but it's doing the job in a completely awesome fashion Aug 03 22:45:19 slimserver is nice Aug 03 22:45:24 what is the program on the 770 called, "mediastreamer"/ Aug 03 22:45:28 yes Aug 03 22:45:42 ok thanks Aug 03 22:46:19 mediastreamer is not the default audio app Aug 03 22:46:50 wow Aug 03 22:46:55 I don't even have to be running wmp11 Aug 03 22:47:02 I just accidentally closed it and it's still working Aug 03 22:47:07 8D Aug 03 22:47:09 black magic Aug 03 22:47:56 i need to switch the symlinks in the menu Aug 03 22:49:17 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke Aug 03 22:50:26 hm i cant install samba for some reason Aug 03 22:51:05 will maemo ever support java? Aug 03 22:54:27 seriously Aug 03 22:54:32 this is what the future is all about Aug 03 22:54:37 fuck hovercars Aug 03 22:54:49 I can die happily having seen the apex of mankind's technological capacity Aug 03 22:55:05 I need to get high and think this over Aug 03 22:55:17 and then write a letter of appreciation to whoever posted the first wifi RFC Aug 03 22:55:37 word Aug 03 22:57:48 perhaps a stupid question: why not just mount a share on the pc and play vids using mplayer? Aug 03 22:59:19 I'm not playing videos, I'm playing music 8D Aug 03 22:59:25 also, I used wmp11's library sharing Aug 03 22:59:35 which was a lot smoother than I expected Aug 03 22:59:53 interesting thanks Aug 03 22:59:57 I thought I'd have to install samba and manually add lan mapped mp3s in a media player Aug 03 23:00:21 but it was basically just three clicks on each device and a one way ticket to awesometowne Aug 03 23:01:15 very nice! Aug 03 23:01:32 now I need some sort of wifi remote control Aug 03 23:01:39 so I can skip the current track if it sucks Aug 03 23:02:17 buy another 770? :P Aug 03 23:03:16 I probably should Aug 03 23:03:40 strid, with slimserver you can Aug 03 23:03:53 how? Aug 03 23:04:16 i use my 770 like a streamer and remote Aug 03 23:04:51 strid, google nokia 770 slimserver Aug 03 23:04:54 well the thing is, my 770 is physically hooked up to my stereo while playing music over wifi from my laptop, which I'm using out of reach of the 770 Aug 03 23:05:01 (not streaming) Aug 03 23:05:05 slimserver goes on a pc Aug 03 23:06:00 and you can change your music Aug 03 23:06:10 my laptop has a comparable cpu to the 770, I'd rather have the nokia handle the decoding and playback while demanding only bandwidth from the laptop Aug 03 23:06:50 oh wait, I could install that httpd on the 770 Aug 03 23:06:53 and uh Aug 03 23:06:59 cook up some python script Aug 03 23:07:09 actually, your nokia would not broadcast Aug 03 23:07:10 link it in a php Aug 03 23:07:14 huh? Aug 03 23:07:24 only receive the stream Aug 03 23:08:01 yeah, I said I wanted the nokia to do the playback, not recieve a stream generated by the laptop Aug 03 23:08:08 is there a way i can pair my 770 with my macbook using bluetooth Aug 03 23:08:08 and you go to the ip address of the pc that has slimserver on it Aug 03 23:08:12 someone on itt managed it Aug 03 23:09:02 amr, saw it on the wiki at maemo.org Aug 03 23:09:12 ah cool thanks Aug 03 23:11:07 np (: Aug 03 23:16:29 hi i have nokia 770 and want to boot from mmc card Aug 03 23:16:35 got problem in install the tar command Aug 03 23:16:50 can someone please help me regarding this ? Aug 03 23:17:08 when i use the existing tar command then it cannot copy more than 100 characters of file length Aug 03 23:19:03 apt-get -d install tar Aug 03 23:19:11 thiscommand is the one not working Aug 03 23:19:17 some one please help me Aug 03 23:21:31 erm, newbie here... I have a question... Aug 03 23:22:06 According to the memory applet in control panel, I have 18mb of images on my device. Aug 03 23:22:07 lukem, what is your problem ? Aug 03 23:22:20 I cannot for the life of me, locate them. Aug 03 23:22:35 they are not under /home/user/MyDocs/.images Aug 03 23:22:40 you have xterm installaed ? Aug 03 23:22:45 sure do Aug 03 23:22:52 also SSH Aug 03 23:22:55 give a grep to find it Aug 03 23:23:04 find . | grep images Aug 03 23:23:11 will get you the images directory Aug 03 23:23:46 hmmm... yep, it shows the only file under /images Aug 03 23:24:02 it also shows some under osso_rss_feed_reader too Aug 03 23:24:06 that must be them. Aug 03 23:25:09 nope, that folder is empty Aug 03 23:25:14 huh... Aug 03 23:25:49 did you check with ls -all Aug 03 23:25:56 to also get the hidden files Aug 03 23:26:06 yep Aug 03 23:26:08 I found'em Aug 03 23:26:10 8) Aug 03 23:26:18 great Aug 03 23:26:29 do you mmc to boot your nokia 770 ? Aug 03 23:26:33 maemo mapper is storing cached images in internal memory instead of on the MMC Aug 03 23:26:45 not yet, 1gb card is inbound. ETA Wednesday Aug 03 23:27:00 I might also try 2007HE then Aug 03 23:27:18 does that has skype too ? Aug 03 23:27:27 I'm looking forward to the additional room with a bigger MMC Aug 03 23:27:34 not sure, haven't really looked into it. Aug 03 23:27:40 ii'm working 2GB one Aug 03 23:27:45 been spending all my tiem learning things to do with 2006... Aug 03 23:28:05 yes, 2006 is stable, so good to spend on that Aug 03 23:34:54 cool, moving all the cached maps to the MMC, now I'll have more room for new programs... 8) Aug 03 23:35:53 next task is installing samba so I can share out the MMC card as a "wireless usb key"... Aug 03 23:36:51 Thanks for your help Suma Aug 03 23:37:14 no problem lukem Aug 03 23:40:45 anyone in here successfully use a T-Mobile MDA as a BT DUN device? that's the only other issue I'm stumped on at the moment. 8) Aug 03 23:50:47 why does maemo-launcher show 8 processes each taking up 10-16% of memory? Aug 03 23:51:13 note to self - killall maemo-launcher is not the answer Aug 03 23:51:26 pupnik: hehehehe... I *know*! ;) Aug 03 23:52:36 rebooting and checking memory again Aug 03 23:52:54 Mem: 52604K used, 9620K free, 0K shrd, 1728K buff, 24468K cached Aug 03 23:53:11 that's not a lot of free RAM for applications Aug 03 23:55:06 at least links2 webbrowser is thrifty - after startup i have 4.1% used by links2 and Aug 03 23:55:09 Mem: 57428K used, 4796K free, 0K shrd, 1808K buff, 27024K cached Aug 03 23:59:14 pupnik: i want to install tar on my nokia 770, can you please help ? Aug 04 00:20:24 hi suma Aug 04 00:22:51 Filename: pool/maemo2.2/free/t/tar/tar_1.14-2.1osso_armel.deb Aug 04 00:45:15 zeenix: i'll host your git repo, if you want! Aug 04 01:08:22 what speeds do you guys get scp-ing over to your 770? Aug 04 01:08:57 with scp -c blowfish bigfile.zip i get about 300kB/s on average Aug 04 01:11:57 openssh or dropbear? Aug 04 01:16:34 dropbear Aug 04 01:16:36 <_Monkey> i guess dropbear is a small install Aug 04 01:16:45 and regluar kernel Aug 04 01:18:20 to mmc Aug 04 01:45:54 Bizarre, I used to be able to add irc chat as a 'buddy' in pidgin. Now it crashes... Aug 04 02:06:22 ah huh Aug 04 02:21:37 someone please let me know where can i get ipkg package of asterisk to run on nokia 770 ? Aug 04 02:32:26 pupnik: someone please let me know where can i get ipkg package of asterisk to run on nokia 770 ? Aug 04 02:32:36 the previous one which you helped me worked Aug 04 02:33:03 i think ipkg is for zaurus Aug 04 02:34:18 pupnik: i want to install asterisk in nokia 770, what is the best way i can do it ? Aug 04 02:35:04 i don't know Aug 04 02:35:32 you need soemthing compiled for nokia 770 though Aug 04 02:35:33 there are not compiled binaries availabe ? Aug 04 02:35:40 yes Aug 04 02:36:09 i think people are using this 'gizmo' or something to talk on 770 Aug 04 02:36:21 search ITT forums for 'voip' Aug 04 02:37:07 i'm also using gizmo, but SIP doesn't work good in NATed environment Aug 04 02:37:15 will check on the ITT forums Aug 04 02:49:57 How difficult do you guys think it woul be to put something together that could automagically chrink a batch of images (from an mmc card, digital camera) with relatively little effort? Aug 04 02:50:24 I'll be in Africa with the Peace Corps, I want the high qual images on my camera, but I would like to be able to easily shrink them to upload them to the internet Aug 04 02:57:20 ok Aug 04 02:57:29 n800 is the coolest shit ever Aug 04 02:57:34 :P Aug 04 02:57:36 now i just gotta get it to do something Aug 04 02:57:42 trying to tether it to my ppc Aug 04 02:57:45 no joy so far Aug 04 02:58:04 any ideas Aug 04 02:58:09 its an htc apache Aug 04 02:58:27 rhsanborn: If you find a maemo compiled version of ImageMagick, then you can just use the "convert" binary to resize your photos. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 04 02:59:56 2007