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Aug 06 03:00:12 <disq> check if the ip is the same or not, if not then it's the akamai mirror(s)?
Aug 06 03:00:21 <disq> erm sorry not garage
Aug 06 03:00:40 <disq> repository.maemo.org a515.g.akamai.net [216.66.33.89]
Aug 06 03:00:50 <disq> the ip keeps changing for me tho
Aug 06 03:00:52 <pupnik_> opening from a pc gives me the install file to download
Aug 06 03:01:11 <disq> could try checking out which version is the lastest for you here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/k/kagu/
Aug 06 03:01:27 <disq> if it's doesn't contain 1.0.2 then it's the mirror
Aug 06 03:01:54 <disq> s/'s//
Aug 06 03:01:55 <infobot> disq meant: if it doesn't contain 1.0.2 then it's the mirror
Aug 06 03:02:04 <pupnik_> well you can see it's looking for garage.maemo.org
Aug 06 03:02:06 <pupnik_> Name:       a515.g.akamai.net
Aug 06 03:02:06 <pupnik_> Addresses:  195.50.169.88, 195.50.169.96
Aug 06 03:02:20 <pupnik_> Name:       garage.maemo.org
Aug 06 03:02:20 <pupnik_> Address:    62.61.85.33
Aug 06 03:02:46 <disq> g.akamai is Addresses: 216.66.33.89, 216.66.33.74
Aug 06 03:03:02 <disq> try nameserver 4.2.2.2 :P
Aug 06 03:03:09 <disq> <- gone, night
Aug 06 03:03:17 <pupnik_> ok thx cheers
Aug 06 03:03:22 <trevarthan> pupnik_: my advice? wait until tomorrow, then try it.
Aug 06 03:03:34 <trevarthan> probably iron itself out by then
Aug 06 03:03:47 <trevarthan> kriebz: any luck with you?
Aug 06 03:03:54 <pupnik_> i can install it with apt-get
Aug 06 03:05:11 <trevarthan> I hate microsoft, but I sure love my 360. only ms product I own.
Aug 06 03:06:32 <trevarthan> I need to get one of those $135 770s for my 5 year old son to play with.
Aug 06 03:06:55 <trevarthan> I don't let him play with my n800 much cause I'm afraid he'll break it. He loves TuxPaint though.
Aug 06 03:07:23 <pupnik_> yeah that gets rave reviews
Aug 06 03:08:26 <pupnik_> i assume you play shadowrun on-line?
Aug 06 03:08:37 <trevarthan> it's awesome. I gotta admit it. yeah. shadowrun on xbox live. I love it.
Aug 06 03:10:04 <pupnik_> i'm afraid python is more of an n800 thing
Aug 06 03:15:54 <trevarthan> pupnik_: why? too slow of the 770?
Aug 06 03:16:03 <trevarthan> or just not available?
Aug 06 03:16:25 <pupnik_> 14.5 MB space
Aug 06 03:17:08 <pupnik_> btw i start kagu, see a white screen with "OK" and "Exit" at bottom
Aug 06 03:17:34 <pupnik_> there's a grey bar at the bottom, and a region on the right with a grey gradient
Aug 06 03:18:44 <pupnik_> quitting works though
Aug 06 03:21:39 <trevarthan> pupnik_: you've run the scanner already?
Aug 06 03:21:47 <trevarthan> do you have any mp3s?
Aug 06 03:22:03 <pupnik_> i started kagu just with the media player - it invoked the scanner and showed about 30 mp3s found on mmc
Aug 06 03:22:12 <pupnik_> then it quit and told me to run the media player
Aug 06 03:22:24 <pupnik_> then i ran the media player and got a white screen with 'ok'
Aug 06 03:22:32 <trevarthan> try it again.
Aug 06 03:22:38 <pupnik_> the scanner?
Aug 06 03:22:43 <trevarthan> no, the media player
Aug 06 03:22:51 <pupnik_> i did - three starts same result
Aug 06 03:23:01 <trevarthan> I think maybe you hit the hardware back button before the white screen came up.
Aug 06 03:23:45 <trevarthan> it's not showing your album covers for some reason. run the scanner again?
Aug 06 03:23:55 <pupnik_> what album covers?
Aug 06 03:24:10 <pupnik_> i just have mp3s
Aug 06 03:24:29 <setite> whats good for video playback
Aug 06 03:25:35 <setite> mplayer seems to have stopped stuttering for the most part...
Aug 06 03:25:38 <setite> its a little choppy
Aug 06 03:25:44 <trevarthan> the scanner downloads them for you. you got an internet connection on that 770?
Aug 06 03:26:24 <pupnik_> yes, but a) these mp3s aren't from albums and b) what if i start kagu without an internet connection?
Aug 06 03:26:43 <trevarthan> you can start kagu with wifi, just not the scanner.
Aug 06 03:26:57 <trevarthan> it should show up as a CDROM image if it can't find an album.
Aug 06 03:28:48 <setite> no one watches movies on their n770 or n800
Aug 06 03:28:55 <setite> like nonstreaming off mem card
Aug 06 03:29:01 <setite> maybe my memcard is too slow???
Aug 06 03:29:03 <pupnik_> all the teme bro
Aug 06 03:29:28 <pupnik_> youtubes and transcoded movies
Aug 06 03:29:43 <setite> well not youtube...
Aug 06 03:30:03 <setite> just actual video from the card itself... like a tv episode
Aug 06 03:30:12 <pupnik_> mplayer
Aug 06 03:30:23 <setite> i guess media is not what it can do... it sucks on action scenes... do you just accept that part
Aug 06 03:30:50 <trevarthan> setite: you smokin crack. works fine. use 770encode.pl
Aug 06 03:30:59 <setite> whats that
Aug 06 03:30:59 <_Monkey> that is probably part of the puzzle collection
Aug 06 03:31:14 <setite> ill get super and encode it to psp
Aug 06 03:32:54 <trevarthan> don't listen to monkey. he's a bot
Aug 06 03:36:06 <trevarthan> forget that
Aug 06 03:36:07 <_Monkey> trevarthan: I forgot that
Aug 06 03:37:46 <trevarthan> xbox live just went down. I hate microsoft.
Aug 06 03:38:19 <trevarthan> so, what's up with kagu on your 770, pupnik?
Aug 06 03:38:26 <trevarthan> ever get it working?
Aug 06 03:38:35 <trevarthan> you running python2.5, btw?
Aug 06 03:54:58 <setite> ok got some windows app
Aug 06 03:55:05 <setite> im busting the resolution and bitrate down
Aug 06 03:55:23 <setite> if it plays this bitrate at close to perfect then lowering it 25% or so should be sexy
Aug 06 04:02:34 <pupnik_> report is on the forums trev
Aug 06 04:05:07 <setite> is there a way to stop the video app from opening when i open the camera
Aug 06 04:15:20 <trevarthan> that was awefully harsh pupnik.
Aug 06 04:15:23 <bldewolf> so what exactly is wrong when it says "unable to complete secure transaction"?  I can't get on garage.maemo.org :-/
Aug 06 04:16:43 <pupnik_> there's some issue with certificates on maemo.org
Aug 06 04:17:54 <trevarthan> pupnik_: I test all that crap for you, then you ream my app on a public forum. what's up with that man?
Aug 06 04:19:24 <pupnik_> I should complement the handling of the menu button
Aug 06 04:19:28 <pupnik_> (editing)
Aug 06 04:19:50 <unique311> hellos
Aug 06 04:20:39 <trevarthan> pupnik: I can't do anything about the garage cert issue. that's not my fault man. take that crap off.
Aug 06 04:21:31 <pupnik_> i'll mention that it's a garage problem and that users experiencing it should use package manager with that extras repo
Aug 06 04:24:12 <unique311> trevarthan, i didn't get nothing done today, I was busy cleaning my desktop.   Took it apart and clean the insides,  then put it back together and clean the the junk I won't need anymore from the hardrives...
Aug 06 04:25:03 <trevarthan> unique311: np.
Aug 06 04:27:46 <unique311> have to defrag all partitions, as soon as i'm done with a couple of hefty downloads  that are in progress
Aug 06 04:28:01 <unique311> tried out the new kagu....
Aug 06 04:29:26 <trevarthan> pupnik_: dude, I hate that review you wrote. that really sucks man. Under normal circumstances I would love to help you figure out why you got a blank screen and why it took so long to connect to dbus, but you made me so angry with that review that I don't even want to deal with it.
Aug 06 04:30:00 <pupnik_> i respect everyone who writes software, but i'm not going to censor my user experience or opinions
Aug 06 04:30:02 <unique311> that bad
Aug 06 04:30:29 <unique311> i need to check this out..
Aug 06 04:30:51 <unique311> i didn't have no issues with the upgrade..
Aug 06 04:32:04 <unique311> blank screen..
Aug 06 04:32:12 <unique311> maybe he didn't run scanner first..
Aug 06 04:32:21 <unique311> looks like no albums were found..
Aug 06 04:32:26 <unique311> thats not a bug
Aug 06 04:33:08 <unique311> you need to run kagu music scanner first.. after that completes it should find your albums..
Aug 06 04:33:14 <trevarthan> It is a bug. Maybe it didn't find any albums or any mp3s with id3 tags. In which case Kagu should say "no music found".
Aug 06 04:33:32 <trevarthan> mostly we expect people to run Kagu when they have music to play though, so I didn't test that case.
Aug 06 04:33:35 <unique311> pupnik_, did you run scanner?
Aug 06 04:33:48 <pupnik_> i first clicked on media player, and that invoked scanner
Aug 06 04:33:54 <unique311> ok
Aug 06 04:33:56 <pupnik_> oh well i'll delete the post
Aug 06 04:35:31 <unique311> lol
Aug 06 04:35:43 <unique311> i like the post....blunt.
Aug 06 04:35:49 <unique311> not sure if thats the word.
Aug 06 04:36:06 <pupnik_> well i realize there are people who like more slickness in a media player
Aug 06 04:36:31 <pupnik_> trev's release wasn't the place to discuss general design philosophy
Aug 06 04:38:18 <trevarthan> no, it wasn't.
Aug 06 04:38:45 <pupnik_> so it's gone.  apologies
Aug 06 04:41:46 <setite> hey all
Aug 06 04:41:53 <setite> when i get married to my n800.. will you gus come
Aug 06 04:41:58 <setite> guys*
Aug 06 04:42:45 <pupnik_> on the constructive side, i'd suggest 1) query user before scanning 2) query user before connecting to internet and associating cover art, 2) use the filename if no ID3 tag found  3) provide a more usable screen if no media is found
Aug 06 04:43:09 <pupnik_> am, and renumber that
Aug 06 04:46:34 <trevarthan> I like #2.
Aug 06 04:46:50 <trevarthan> The second #2.
Aug 06 04:46:57 <trevarthan> I don't like the first #2.
Aug 06 04:47:17 <trevarthan> I like #1. we already inform them. I guess we need a cancel.
Aug 06 04:47:36 <trevarthan> I agree with #3.
Aug 06 04:48:12 <pupnik_> that's one of the fun things about releasing software - you run into weirdos with edge-cases like me
Aug 06 04:48:15 <pupnik_> :P
Aug 06 04:49:09 <pupnik_> It's one reason i always try to avoid a rigid design/implementation schedule when i do professional work.
Aug 06 04:49:38 <pupnik_> Germans businesses in particular seem to have trouble adapting to an iterave design model.
Aug 06 04:49:53 <pupnik_> *iterative
Aug 06 04:50:33 <pupnik_> But all the meetings and analysis in the world isn't going to cover the real world use.
Aug 06 04:53:57 <Luria> anyone having problems getting microb to save about : config settings?
Aug 06 04:57:38 <trevarthan> https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/18
Aug 06 04:58:31 <trevarthan> https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/19
Aug 06 05:06:11 <trevarthan> https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/20
Aug 06 05:14:29 <pupnik_> cool
Aug 06 05:42:46 <unique311> anyone using gizmo?
Aug 06 05:55:37 <trevarthan> not I
Aug 06 05:56:59 <unique311> i will be using it now..
Aug 06 05:58:21 <unique311> the 747 number they give you for free, can be used as  a forward #  for grandcentrals number to get calls to the device..
Aug 06 05:59:19 <unique311> i tried calling the gizmo number but got a message that says the number is not in service.
Aug 06 05:59:54 <unique311> but when i use it as a forward to number...it works.
Aug 06 06:12:21 <pupnik> if you're ever looking for a chopin CD, Vladimir Ashkenazy is the definitive Chopin interpreter
Aug 06 06:38:30 <bldewolf> what's the difference between arm and armel?
Aug 06 06:39:07 <unique311> the l
Aug 06 06:39:25 <unique311> the el*
Aug 06 06:39:42 <bldewolf> does the EL mean anything?
Aug 06 06:40:04 <bldewolf> should I build packages different, or is it just to keep regular arm packages from being installed?
Aug 06 06:45:12 <pupnik> your question about arm vs armel is answered here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
Aug 06 06:53:34 <bldewolf> ah, that explains the name of the scratchbox toolchain as well, thanks
Aug 06 06:55:23 <unique311> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65904#post65904
Aug 06 06:55:42 <bldewolf> so if I use dpkg to build a package and it produces an arm package instead of an armel package, what did I do wrong? :)
Aug 06 06:56:25 <unique311> off topic 10GB storage, 10GB bandwidth monthly....FREE
Aug 06 06:57:26 <bldewolf> does that mean if you fill it up, you can't use it for a month? Hmmm
Aug 06 07:03:02 <unique311> yes
Aug 06 07:03:17 <unique311> but i doubt you will fill it up that quick
Aug 06 07:03:29 <hermann_348> yow
Aug 06 07:03:30 <_Monkey> I'm continually AMAZED at th'breathtaking effects of WIND EROSION!!
Aug 06 07:03:39 <unique311> hello hermann_348
Aug 06 07:03:45 <hermann_348> hi
Aug 06 07:04:19 <hermann_348> and what are you talking about in this channel?
Aug 06 07:04:25 <unique311> maemo
Aug 06 07:04:30 <hermann_348> oh
Aug 06 07:04:36 <hermann_348> k
Aug 06 07:04:40 <unique311> do you own a n800/770?
Aug 06 07:04:52 <hermann_348> no but a 6288
Aug 06 07:05:03 <hermann_348> and a A920
Aug 06 07:05:29 <unique311> k
Aug 06 07:05:37 <hermann_348> well cya all
Aug 06 07:05:42 <unique311> peace
Aug 06 07:05:45 <hermann_348> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=348
Aug 06 07:10:21 <bldewolf> must...resist...clicking...
Aug 06 07:14:38 <unique311> resist
Aug 06 07:14:45 <unique311> i didnt
Aug 06 07:14:55 <bldewolf> I went to it without the ref uid :)
Aug 06 07:14:56 <unique311> bullshit site
Aug 06 07:15:24 <unique311> bldewolf, why
Aug 06 07:15:35 <unique311> hook a brother up...
Aug 06 07:15:41 <bldewolf> if I'm going to waste my time on a bullshit site, hell if he's going to profit from it
Aug 06 07:15:55 <unique311> no
Aug 06 07:16:03 <unique311> i'm profitting from it
Aug 06 07:16:13 <bldewolf> hm?
Aug 06 07:16:27 <unique311> i thought you were talking about hermann_248's link
Aug 06 07:16:33 <bldewolf> I was
Aug 06 07:16:53 <unique311> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65904#post65904
Aug 06 07:16:59 <unique311> this is different...
Aug 06 07:17:48 <bldewolf> er, I went to that already
Aug 06 07:18:28 <bldewolf> I was saying I took off the "ref.php?uid=348" when going to hermann's site so he didn't get referrer point or anything
Aug 06 07:18:30 <bldewolf> oh, I see.
Aug 06 07:18:40 <unique311> ok
Aug 06 07:18:50 <unique311> see i was polite with my post
Aug 06 07:19:02 <unique311> i made sure it dealt with the devices
Aug 06 07:19:10 <unique311> and posted the link on ITT
Aug 06 07:20:01 <bldewolf> it deals with devices?
Aug 06 07:20:17 <unique311> yes
Aug 06 07:20:20 <unique311> storage
Aug 06 07:20:25 <unique311> online storage
Aug 06 07:20:36 <unique311> with good amount of bandwidth
Aug 06 07:21:14 <unique311> free online storage for the N800/770
Aug 06 07:22:02 <unique311> well not exactly made for, but you know, can be used by n800/770 users as a means of online storage
Aug 06 07:22:18 <bldewolf> yea
Aug 06 07:22:42 <Jyro> Hi
Aug 06 07:22:51 <bldewolf> What's up
Aug 06 07:22:56 <unique311> hey you got my post jyro
Aug 06 07:22:58 <Jyro> Is pupnik/unique311 here
Aug 06 07:23:03 <Jyro> oh yeah
Aug 06 07:23:09 <Jyro> thanks for quick reply
Aug 06 07:23:14 <unique311> np
Aug 06 07:23:29 <unique311> so you going to try your hands at hildonizing mtpaint?
Aug 06 07:24:48 <Jyro> maybe... but I don't yet know whole lot abt what involves in hildonizing
Aug 06 07:24:58 <Jyro> i have browsed thru the tutorials
Aug 06 07:25:14 <unique311> i tried
Aug 06 07:25:34 <unique311> by going thru the tutorials..and browsing already hildon apps
Aug 06 07:25:40 <Jyro> it was neat to see the stylus working with mtpaint (pupnik's version)
Aug 06 07:25:41 <unique311> failed at it
Aug 06 07:25:45 <Jyro> i see
Aug 06 07:25:55 <unique311> i compiled mtpaint for the n800
Aug 06 07:26:05 <unique311> it works
Aug 06 07:26:08 <Jyro> oh u did.
Aug 06 07:26:10 <Jyro> cool
Aug 06 07:26:12 <unique311> i have a video on youtube
Aug 06 07:26:24 <Jyro> can u give the link
Aug 06 07:26:28 <unique311> well pupnik compiled it for the 770
Aug 06 07:26:33 <unique311> give me a sec
Aug 06 07:26:34 <Jyro> i would like to see the video
Aug 06 07:27:40 <Jyro> One neat thing I liked about mtPaint is, all its code is in one place
Aug 06 07:27:52 <Jyro> not a lot of dependencies
Aug 06 07:28:06 <unique311> i don't have a video on youtube..
Aug 06 07:28:12 <unique311> i have 1 on divshare maybe..
Aug 06 07:28:17 <unique311> i have it somewhere
Aug 06 07:28:18 <unique311> i hope
Aug 06 07:28:25 <Jyro> okay
Aug 06 07:28:50 <Jyro> i am gonna browse through the mtpaint code later this week
Aug 06 07:29:08 <Jyro> and then i will let u guys know what i come up with
Aug 06 07:29:24 <Jyro> i jsut wanted to check if anyone else is doing it already...
Aug 06 07:29:56 <unique311> i stopped working on it whe my attempts at hildonizing it didn't work out.
Aug 06 07:30:11 <unique311> pupnik, might still be working on it..
Aug 06 07:30:25 <Jyro> i see
Aug 06 07:30:25 <unique311> probably asleep right now.
Aug 06 07:30:32 <Jyro> hmm
Aug 06 07:30:52 <unique311> he is active in here..so just check back ...
Aug 06 07:31:00 <Jyro> sure
Aug 06 07:31:11 <unique311> also i'm willing to help out..
Aug 06 07:31:13 <Jyro> I also getting sleepy now....
Aug 06 07:31:20 <pupnik> no work on mtpaint
Aug 06 07:31:28 <pupnik> you can get the notes off my site
Aug 06 07:31:32 <Jyro> oh pupnik is there
Aug 06 07:31:42 <Jyro> yeah i took a look
Aug 06 07:32:04 <Jyro> i was surprised to see the stylus input working out of the box
Aug 06 07:32:14 <Jyro> did you have to do nething special for that?
Aug 06 07:32:46 <Jyro> or the pointing device's linux drivers make it look like just as a mouse pointer?
Aug 06 07:32:46 <pupnik> no changes to the source
Aug 06 07:32:49 <unique311> Jyro, post findings on ITT, also tutorials that help you, and i'll help out..going over the same tutorials.
Aug 06 07:33:28 <pupnik> just set CFLAGS before running configure
Aug 06 07:33:51 <Jyro> set CFLAGS to point where?
Aug 06 07:34:30 <gomiam> Jyro: CFLAGS is the environment variable for pre-defined compiler options
Aug 06 07:34:32 <gomiam> ;-)
Aug 06 07:34:41 <Jyro> sure, i know that
Aug 06 07:34:44 <gomiam> it doesn't point to anywhere
Aug 06 07:34:58 <pupnik> right now i compile with CFLAGS="-mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer" for 770
Aug 06 07:35:03 <Jyro> generally CFLAGS has "-I<header file>"
Aug 06 07:35:12 <Jyro> ok i see
Aug 06 07:36:55 <Jyro> thanks guys
Aug 06 07:36:59 <Jyro> i gtg now
Aug 06 07:37:08 <pupnik> ok cheers!
Aug 06 07:37:17 <Jyro> i will update as i make progress
Aug 06 07:41:41 <pupnik> lol just tried tuxpaint for the first time... hilarious
Aug 06 07:44:41 <unique311> sucks don't it
Aug 06 07:45:09 <unique311> had someone refer using that...
Aug 06 07:45:33 <pupnik> for a kids program it looks fun
Aug 06 07:46:13 <pupnik> i was interested in how fast it draws with fast stylus motion, and it's the fastest i've seen yet (beats mtpaint, maemopad+)
Aug 06 07:46:32 <unique311> but it sucks pupnik.
Aug 06 07:46:53 <unique311> i think the description says its for kids..
Aug 06 07:47:05 <pupnik> it looks like it's buffering the stylus data when it can't keep up
Aug 06 07:48:14 <pupnik> yes it's a kids program
Aug 06 07:48:48 <unique311> going to study away at mtpaints source code
Aug 06 07:49:14 <pupnik> i think mtpaint worked a lot better for you than it did for me
Aug 06 07:50:08 <bldewolf> so...to build packages in scratchbox for armel, do I have to move my SB target to armel?  I think it's on arm, even though I used the armel-rootstrap...am I missing something?
Aug 06 07:51:10 <pupnik> bldewolf: you did development for arm targets?
Aug 06 07:51:30 <bldewolf> I have no idea what I'm doing, really.
Aug 06 07:51:45 <bldewolf> trying to build packages for my 770?
Aug 06 07:52:23 <pupnik> ok
Aug 06 07:53:15 <pupnik> well scratchbox is a little confusing with the naming
Aug 06 07:53:19 <bldewolf> the how-tos/etc are a bit too "do this, then it works!"
Aug 06 07:53:23 <pupnik> right
Aug 06 07:53:28 <bldewolf> leaving me wondering why I had to do that to make it work
Aug 06 07:53:41 <pupnik> for example if i show the Architecture or Sub-architecture in my scratchbox, it says "arm"
Aug 06 07:53:53 <pupnik> but everything is building correctly as 'armel'
Aug 06 07:54:07 <pupnik> so that might be throwing you off
Aug 06 07:54:07 <bldewolf> yeah, armel is a debian convention isn't it?
Aug 06 07:54:20 <pupnik> right
Aug 06 07:54:55 <bldewolf> well, when I do dpkg-architecture it still shows up as arm :-/
Aug 06 07:55:18 <bldewolf> and armel isn't in the list of "Known Debian Architectures"
Aug 06 07:55:24 <pupnik> dpkg-architecture
Aug 06 07:55:25 <pupnik> DEB_BUILD_ARCH=armel
Aug 06 07:55:39 <pupnik> then ARCH_CPU=arm
Aug 06 07:55:44 <bldewolf> oooooh
Aug 06 07:56:03 <bldewolf> hmm
Aug 06 07:56:08 <bldewolf> DEB_BUILD_ARCH=arm
Aug 06 07:56:17 <pupnik> :/
Aug 06 07:56:40 <pupnik> when I go into sb-menu and "show" target information i get:
Aug 06 07:56:44 <pupnik> Compiler:         cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm
Aug 06 07:56:44 <pupnik> Architecture:     arm
Aug 06 07:56:44 <pupnik> Sub-architecture: arm
Aug 06 07:56:44 <pupnik> C-library:        glibc
Aug 06 07:56:44 <pupnik> Devkits:          debian cputransp
Aug 06 07:56:45 <_Monkey> cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm is probably what i have here
Aug 06 07:56:47 <pupnik> CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2
Aug 06 07:57:19 <bldewolf> hmm, my devkit selection for debian only gave me debian-sarge, debian-etch, etc
Aug 06 07:57:43 <pupnik> you can select multiple devkits before committing your choices
Aug 06 07:58:11 <bldewolf> should I select all of them?
Aug 06 07:58:18 <bldewolf> there's no 'debian'
Aug 06 07:58:29 <pupnik> perhaps you are using a newer scratchbox
Aug 06 07:58:37 <bldewolf> "scratchbox-devkit-debian-1.0.8-i386.tar.gz"
Aug 06 07:59:08 <bldewolf> any idea which would be most appropriate for maemo?  lenny, sarge, etch
Aug 06 07:59:29 <pupnik> i guess sarge
Aug 06 07:59:41 <pupnik> not sure though
Aug 06 07:59:59 <pupnik> i've been wanting newer debhelper and other utilities
Aug 06 08:00:05 <bldewolf> on the same subject, I'm using "Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz" but I have no idea if it's the right one :-/
Aug 06 08:00:07 <pupnik> maybe that's what using etch gets you
Aug 06 08:00:15 <dpb_> you should be using 1.0.7.1 version of the debian devkit
Aug 06 08:00:19 <bldewolf> all of the how-tos have broken links when linking to where to get it
Aug 06 08:00:29 <pupnik> ^^ dpb_
Aug 06 08:01:10 <bldewolf> will do!
Aug 06 08:01:21 <pupnik> i added to my sources.list on host system:  deb http://scratchbox.org/debian ./
Aug 06 08:01:31 <dpb_> that's wrong
Aug 06 08:01:34 <pupnik> ok
Aug 06 08:01:49 <dpb_> use "http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo3 main"
Aug 06 08:02:18 <dpb_> wait, that's wrong
Aug 06 08:02:21 <dpb_> use "http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo3-sdk main"
Aug 06 08:02:32 <dpb_> now I got it :)
Aug 06 08:03:11 <pupnik> that will also work for building gregale / 770 binaries, right?
Aug 06 08:03:29 <pupnik> with the corresponding darget+rootstrap?
Aug 06 08:03:41 <bldewolf> oh beautiful! thanks dpb
Aug 06 08:03:58 <dpb_> pupnik: I believe so
Aug 06 08:04:00 <bldewolf> now "apt-get install" doesn't explode with millions of missing packages...
Aug 06 08:04:40 <pupnik> dpb_: do you know if there is a scratchbox + maemo environment that provides debhelper 5 and associated tools?
Aug 06 08:05:34 <pupnik> about 80% of my debian sources specify 5, and a fair number of them really need it
Aug 06 08:06:36 <dpb_> I can't remember. jumpula would know.
Aug 06 08:06:43 <pupnik> ok thanks
Aug 06 08:08:55 * pupnik plays with the xaos fractal zoomer and watches the math errors with amusement
Aug 06 08:10:43 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Aug 06 08:10:48 <pupnik> moooo
Aug 06 08:11:54 <jumpula> pupnik: there is
Aug 06 08:12:12 <jumpula> install debian devkit 1.0.8 and select debian-etch for your target
Aug 06 08:12:27 <jumpula> note that you have to re-create the target by hand
Aug 06 08:13:21 <pupnik> jumpula: thanks, that sounds very attractive
Aug 06 08:13:36 <jumpula> and installing breaks the compability with older targets. i think the revised install script know how to create a target which is compatible with debian devkit 1.0.8
Aug 06 08:13:56 <jumpula> so, if you user the revised version, nothing should break
Aug 06 08:14:11 <jumpula> this is due to the removal of the generic debian devkit
Aug 06 08:14:23 <jumpula> to support different flavors (releases) of debian
Aug 06 08:16:00 <pupnik> it will go onto a vmware image for portability then
Aug 06 08:16:29 <pupnik> also safety - not going to break the current environment
Aug 06 08:17:36 <AD-N770> good morning
Aug 06 08:17:45 <pupnik> hi
Aug 06 08:19:28 <jumpula> pupnik: that, or in some other location than /scratchbox
Aug 06 08:19:52 <jumpula> extract the tarballs under /opt for example
Aug 06 08:21:00 <pupnik> if that works ok...
Aug 06 08:22:40 <greygoo> moin
Aug 06 09:43:15 <florian> good morning
Aug 06 09:51:41 <jani> g'day all
Aug 06 10:12:41 <acydlord> bah, someone keeps trying to crack in to my account on internettablettalk
Aug 06 10:12:47 <acydlord> some people have too much time on their hands
Aug 06 10:46:20 <Dibblah> Anyone written udev rules to set the input method for an external keyboard (USB)?
Aug 06 10:58:57 <greygoo> Dibblah: you got usb host mode working?
Aug 06 10:59:11 <Dibblah> Yes.
Aug 06 10:59:29 <greygoo> nice, I tried, but something's not working
Aug 06 10:59:35 <Dibblah> ?
Aug 06 10:59:41 <greygoo> pathced kernel (latest one), compiled, flashed.
Aug 06 10:59:41 <Dibblah> What does dmesg say?
Aug 06 10:59:58 <Dibblah> Have you used flasher to enable USB host mode?
Aug 06 11:00:09 <Dibblah> (Not just installed a different kernel)
Aug 06 11:00:15 <greygoo> now usb seems not to work at all not in peripheral mode, nor in host mode. dmesg does not say anything, no matter what i plug in
Aug 06 11:00:38 <Dibblah> Worked just fine for me...
Aug 06 11:00:55 <greygoo> i folllowed the instructions from muru.com
Aug 06 11:01:31 <Dibblah> "the USB chip doesn't seem to turn on unless +5 volts is supplied to the tablet's USB port"
Aug 06 11:01:42 <Dibblah> So you need power routed through to the N770.
Aug 06 11:02:01 <greygoo> https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ < i used patches from there and the instructions from there. And i have a n800...
Aug 06 11:02:42 <Dibblah> Did you do –enable-usb-host-mode
Aug 06 11:03:12 <bigkevmcd> hello, I guess there's no simple apt-gettable cross-compilation setup for Debian/Ubuntu?
Aug 06 11:03:24 <greygoo> aeh - were, with flasher? No. It was not mentioned on the page containing the patches and docs and nobody mentioned it, so no i haven't ;)
Aug 06 11:04:13 <Dibblah> Okay. Well, I don't know the N800. It could be (and probably is) different :)
Aug 06 11:04:31 <greygoo> yes, according to sources on the web it is, sorry to bother you
Aug 06 11:05:02 <greygoo> I just wonder which magical button i did not press, as everything behaved as expected from the documentation
Aug 06 11:17:12 <alp> lo Chili
Aug 06 11:17:28 <Chili> lol
Aug 06 11:17:34 <Chili> hey
Aug 06 11:17:49 <Chili> take it you have a n770
Aug 06 11:18:35 <alp> well, i hack on nokia internet tablets :-)
Aug 06 11:19:03 <Chili> just got mine something to play with
Aug 06 11:21:22 <Chili> got any recommendations for it?
Aug 06 11:21:36 <amr> anyone any idea why http://mp3-vc-128.smgradio.com/listen.pls this stream wont work in canola
Aug 06 11:22:44 <alp> Chili: i guess it'd be worth playing around with the "IT OS2007 Hacker Edition" firmware if you have a 770
Aug 06 11:23:51 <Dibblah> Heh. Looks like I got one of the last cheap N770s in the UK :)
Aug 06 11:24:09 <Dibblah> (Expansys is no longer listing them)
Aug 06 11:24:32 <Chili> alp you install that with the niokia upgrader app right?
Aug 06 11:25:32 <alp> yeah
Aug 06 11:25:40 <bigkevmcd> Dibblah: play.com have them
Aug 06 11:26:55 <Chili> no skype yet on the n770 yet, even with IT OS2007 right?
Aug 06 11:27:00 <Dibblah> Would really, really have liked it if Nokia hadn't used the dual Flash / RAM :(
Aug 06 11:27:29 <Dibblah> That way it may have been possible to upgrade to something more future proof :(
Aug 06 11:47:27 <lardman> afternoon
Aug 06 11:48:11 <alp> Chili: nope, it's tied in to the serial number, but there should be gtalk
Aug 06 11:49:09 <bigkevmcd> alp: do you know of any Linux voice-capable jabber clients?
Aug 06 11:52:37 <alp> bigkevmcd: banter is the only voip-capable desktop client i know, http://live.gnome.org/Banter/Features
Aug 06 11:52:44 <bigkevmcd> thanks
Aug 06 12:23:54 <senuxis> hello
Aug 06 12:23:54 <_Monkey> hey, senuxis
Aug 06 12:25:59 <gw280> alp: so, EAL? :P
Aug 06 13:26:22 <trexa_gyreye> hi! can you copy a file from the device to a mobile telephone via bluetooth?
Aug 06 13:29:00 <juco> it depends on the phone
Aug 06 13:30:34 <juco> if your phone support obex, then yes
Aug 06 13:30:49 <juco> once you've paired your phone with the device, open "file manager"
Aug 06 13:31:05 <juco> if you can browse the files on the phone, then you should also be able to copy and paste files to the phone
Aug 06 13:32:21 <trexa_gyreye> juco: so there isn't an option on the n800, send this file via bluetooth
Aug 06 13:32:24 <trexa_gyreye> ?
Aug 06 13:33:49 <juco> I don't know about the n800, I don't have one
Aug 06 13:34:00 <juco> it wouldn't surprise me if it does
Aug 06 13:34:12 <juco> the stack has support for obex push
Aug 06 13:34:35 <trexa_gyreye> juco: thanks a lot...i will investigate more
Aug 06 13:34:56 <juco> but the 2006 OS only has support in the user interface for a single bluetooth device at a time
Aug 06 13:35:28 <timeless> x-fade?
Aug 06 13:35:28 <_Monkey> hmmm... x-fade is red pill btw..
Aug 06 13:35:40 <timeless> _monkey forget x-fade
Aug 06 13:35:41 <_Monkey> timeless: I forgot x-fade
Aug 06 13:39:12 <juco> trexa_gyreye, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/btxfer/
Aug 06 13:39:40 <juco> looks like it should do what you want, but doesn't have a release
Aug 06 13:40:37 <bergie> trexa_gyreye: IIRC, OBEX send/receive is integrated with file manager on N800
Aug 06 13:41:33 <juco> bergie, on the 770 that's obex ftp
Aug 06 13:41:46 <juco> some phones only support obex push
Aug 06 13:41:51 <trexa_gyreye> bergie: yes bergie you are right! Thanks a lot guys
Aug 06 13:43:36 <juco> speaking of bluetooth, does anyone have a good link to some docs on pragmatically controlling the bt connection?
Aug 06 13:44:05 <juco> bringing the interface up, controlling the power mode, that sort of thing?
Aug 06 14:08:18 <gomiam2> Howdy. Any idea on how to force recognition of a Bluetooth keyboard?
Aug 06 14:09:09 <gomiam2> It's a Zaapa model, but my N800 doesn't recognise its type
Aug 06 14:13:49 <timeless> inz: ping
Aug 06 14:17:03 <gomiam2> timeless: no route to host inz :)
Aug 06 14:17:21 <timeless> ping timeout is more accurate
Aug 06 14:18:16 <gomiam2> Unfortunately ping timeout is in-computer.
Aug 06 14:18:50 <gomiam2> Next time I will use the ICMP: TTL exceeded message
Aug 06 14:19:15 <timeless> :)
Aug 06 14:20:22 <gomiam2> btw, is there a way to tell the N800 to consider a bluetooth device as a keyboard ?
Aug 06 14:20:31 <timeless> yes
Aug 06 14:20:49 <gomiam2> Please enlighten me
Aug 06 14:21:26 <timeless> i think you just bluetooth pair a keyboard and maybe it magically works
Aug 06 14:29:21 <lardman> gomiam2: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/kbdd is an option
Aug 06 14:29:57 <lardman> http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/
Aug 06 14:37:35 * timeless grumbles
Aug 06 14:37:48 <timeless> svn1.3 and svn1.4 use different file formats for .svn/entries
Aug 06 14:43:14 <gomiam> thanks lardman. I got dropped :-)
Aug 06 14:44:55 <gomiam> Yay that kbdd might work, since this keyboard announces itself as a SPP device
Aug 06 15:12:46 <trevarthan> pupnik: hey, did you ever get gtkboard ported to hildon?
Aug 06 15:23:54 <gw280> timeless: do you know if the source code to libtablet-browser-widgets.so.0 has been released anywhere?
Aug 06 15:24:05 <timeless> um
Aug 06 15:24:51 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=tablet-browser-widgets&find=browser.*debian%2Fcontrol&findi=&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=garage
Aug 06 15:25:07 <timeless> it's definitely something you need :)
Aug 06 15:26:39 <timeless> nope :)
Aug 06 15:26:40 <gw280> timeless: that's just a package descriptor that says it depends on the widgets stuff?
Aug 06 15:27:02 <timeless> yes
Aug 06 15:27:08 <timeless> seems it got stuck somewhere :)
Aug 06 15:27:20 <timeless> sorry :)
Aug 06 15:28:01 <timeless> ok
Aug 06 15:28:06 <timeless> that seems to have set engine menu
Aug 06 15:28:09 <timeless> which is why i couldn't find it
Aug 06 15:28:18 <timeless> :)
Aug 06 15:28:36 <gw280> timeless: yes, hence why I asked :)
Aug 06 15:28:54 <timeless> sorry, i'm running around like a chicken with a different head cut off
Aug 06 15:29:02 <gw280> right
Aug 06 15:29:15 * timeless tries to decide exactly how to abuse bug 1605
Aug 06 15:29:28 <timeless> should i be nice and leave that bug where it was filed and just file a blocker?
Aug 06 15:34:09 <gw280> timeless: do you know of anyone in nokia I can contact about the tablet-browser-widgets lib?
Aug 06 15:34:29 <timeless> kinda pointless, you've contacted me
Aug 06 15:34:37 <timeless> if you feel a need to go on record, file a bug
Aug 06 15:34:54 <timeless> i think all three of the people here are clearly aware of it as of now
Aug 06 15:35:05 <gw280> right
Aug 06 15:35:16 <timeless> i'd actually encourage you to file the bug
Aug 06 15:35:22 <timeless> but please try to be specific
Aug 06 15:35:42 <timeless> why you want it, why you found it missing, what you expect to do with it
Aug 06 15:36:01 <timeless> https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800&component=Browser%20(Mozilla%20Engine)&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux
Aug 06 15:37:20 <gw280> timeless: right
Aug 06 15:37:33 <gw280> timeless: I'll file a bug if I can't sort it out
Aug 06 15:37:48 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch
Aug 06 15:40:12 * timeless goes back to trying to file a bug against connectivity in the open
Aug 06 16:16:31 <gw280> success! webkit is displaying inside the browser ui on this N800
Aug 06 16:16:41 <timeless> :)
Aug 06 16:16:43 <gw280> or rather, our dummy EAL pretending to be webkit is
Aug 06 16:16:48 <timeless> heh
Aug 06 16:17:06 <timeless> i presume you saw they fixed the links for dummy eal, sorry about that :)
Aug 06 16:17:18 <gw280> timeless: yes, I reported the bug :P
Aug 06 16:17:25 <timeless> :)
Aug 06 16:35:23 <Jaffa> gw280: very cool, now you've just got to do the webkit bit :)
Aug 06 16:35:47 <gw280> Jaffa: well, alp and I are doing that
Aug 06 16:35:52 <gw280> Jaffa: probably mainly alp
Aug 06 16:38:10 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back.
Aug 06 16:41:42 <tso> hmm, i guess there are no weather addon that can do weather for any region of the planet?
Aug 06 16:41:57 <mgedmin> waah, kagu's issue tracker won't let me report bugs
Aug 06 16:42:04 <mgedmin> AND IT DOESN'T TELL ME IN ADVANCE
Aug 06 16:43:47 <gomiam> mgedmin: Simon told him to do it... or else
Aug 06 16:48:20 <f3> sveiki
Aug 06 16:49:00 <Jaffa> gw280: cool. Using a proper trunk version of WebKit, or the OWB-approach of a fork? (assuming you're *not* OWB...)
Aug 06 16:50:17 <dalonso> please, anybody succeed at updating the armel scratchbox from 3.1 to 3.2?
Aug 06 16:50:50 <gw280> Jaffa: trunk
Aug 06 16:51:03 <amr> is there a proper method of removing a memory card
Aug 06 16:51:10 <amr> or is it just open the flap thing and take it out
Aug 06 16:51:15 <amr> i always feel bad doing it
Aug 06 16:53:30 <dalonso> anybody? Don't?
Aug 06 16:59:03 <gomiam> great, it looks like my Bluetooth keyboard is finally coming through
Aug 06 17:00:33 <gomiam> now I only need to find a way to emulate function keys :-D
Aug 06 17:13:27 <mgedmin> amr: as far as I can tell, the proper method is to open the flap, wait for a popup message saying that the memory card has been unmounted, then pull it out
Aug 06 17:13:47 <mgedmin> if the card's in use, you'll get a different message and shouldn't touch the card, or you might corrupt data on it
Aug 06 17:18:09 <dalonso> any one her with knowledge of the update-mime-database command?
Aug 06 17:25:28 <Chili2> ok usb logo on...nokia update doesn't find my n770
Aug 06 17:25:37 <Chili2> whats up with that
Aug 06 17:29:52 <Chili2> ok only likes the cable it came with...rather than my generic cheap ass mini usb
Aug 06 17:37:16 <Chili2> ok so I have it os2007
Aug 06 17:39:56 <Chili2> seems a little slower than os2006
Aug 06 17:42:59 <maddler> evening...
Aug 06 17:46:44 <gomiam> what a pity. Almost everything on my Zaapa Bluetooth keyboard works... excepting the AltGr Key
Aug 06 17:47:04 <gomiam> (and Fn too)
Aug 06 17:48:05 <gomiam> time to try and find the keycode (and patch the kbdd binary, I'm not in the mood for compiling a new one ;-)
Aug 06 17:53:01 <timeless> inz: i've aired the dirty laundry
Aug 06 17:53:02 <unique311> anybody from InternetTabletTalk?
Aug 06 17:53:10 <unique311> an admin
Aug 06 17:53:26 <unique311> moderator?
Aug 06 17:53:54 <gomiam> looks like none of those is available
Aug 06 18:00:55 <unique311> its sucks
Aug 06 18:01:03 <unique311> i posted a nice little deal in ITT
Aug 06 18:01:31 <unique311> and this f#!$face  by the name of Rider attacks it.
Aug 06 18:01:58 <unique311> whats so hard about viewing a post and if you feel like you don't like it.  go on to the next.
Aug 06 18:03:19 <timeless> that's why i ignore blogs and things with comment support
Aug 06 18:03:21 <timeless> they're bad news
Aug 06 18:03:37 <timeless> if you want to safely express an opinion, use your own site and don't allow comments
Aug 06 18:03:40 <timeless> rely on trackback :)
Aug 06 18:04:14 * timeless goes to try to figure out how to layer garage over sardine
Aug 06 18:05:21 * sp3000 thinks real world metaphors may be unhelpful in solving that
Aug 06 18:05:31 <timeless> ?
Aug 06 18:05:43 <timeless> i've found the place to do it
Aug 06 18:05:46 <timeless> it looks fairly simple
Aug 06 18:05:57 <sp3000> yeah, I was thinking about sardines and garages
Aug 06 18:06:08 <timeless> oh, yeah, well,...
Aug 06 18:07:00 * timeless frowns
Aug 06 18:07:02 <unique311> i guess you right.
Aug 06 18:07:29 <sp3000> basically where that ends up in is mixing sardines into concrete
Aug 06 18:07:37 <unique311> but he just started a fu$#@$ war....I don't too well when people attack me.
Aug 06 18:07:57 <timeless> unique311: i don't do well when people file idiotic bugs about browser
Aug 06 18:08:02 <timeless> but the best approach is to ignore them
Aug 06 18:08:09 <unique311> i want to..
Aug 06 18:08:20 * timeless sighs
Aug 06 18:08:21 <unique311> but i pm'd the admins..
Aug 06 18:08:25 <unique311> all of them.
Aug 06 18:08:31 <timeless> that's moderately ok
Aug 06 18:08:37 <unique311> i want satisfaction.
Aug 06 18:08:44 <unique311> but also replied to his post..
Aug 06 18:08:44 <timeless> i walked to ferenc to get him to fix some bad content for browser pages
Aug 06 18:08:48 <timeless> yeah, don't do that
Aug 06 18:08:50 <unique311> called him a dick head.
Aug 06 18:08:57 <timeless> out of band = ok. in band = disaster
Aug 06 18:08:58 <unique311> best i could come up with on short notice
Aug 06 18:10:50 <timeless>     #remove the extra space that i stupidly added when parsing lxr.conf
Aug 06 18:10:53 <timeless>         $self->{$stupid} =~ s/^\s+//;
Aug 06 18:10:56 * timeless enhances code
Aug 06 18:11:15 <unique311> was i wrong for putting this thread up in the general discussions forum Off Topic.    http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8524
Aug 06 18:11:19 <florian> re
Aug 06 18:11:31 <VladDrac> bah, stupid client
Aug 06 18:11:43 <VladDrac> (both pidgkin and colloquy)
Aug 06 18:12:10 * sp3000 slaps $phone
Aug 06 18:12:28 <sp3000> 7 keypresses from sms content to when it was received
Aug 06 18:12:28 <timeless> sp3000: which do you have?
Aug 06 18:12:32 <timeless> heh
Aug 06 18:12:50 <timeless> btw: somewhere I have a 2g micro that i should pass to you guys
Aug 06 18:12:55 <timeless> remind me to try to find it tomorrow?
Aug 06 18:13:00 <timeless> it's nokia brand :)
Aug 06 18:13:19 <sp3000> this is a 2610 (hey, got it for free...)
Aug 06 18:13:39 <timeless> you know the price i paid for mine [pl], right? :)
Aug 06 18:14:04 <sp3000> hmm, its product page crashes fx trunk
Aug 06 18:14:11 <timeless> java?
Aug 06 18:14:26 <timeless> (what doesn't crash fx trunk)
Aug 06 18:15:25 * timeless frowns
Aug 06 18:15:33 <timeless> i really need to figure out what to do about treeify
Aug 06 18:15:46 <timeless> right now it happily parses everything, and then seems to forget about most things
Aug 06 18:15:54 <timeless> that's probably not such a great idea
Aug 06 18:16:04 <timeless> although, maybe it works?
Aug 06 18:16:08 <sp3000> no, I don't think I do
Aug 06 18:16:19 <timeless> 0
Aug 06 18:17:24 <trevarthan> I want to write an IRC client for maemo that is touchscreen, finger, and LED friendly. IRSSI is ok, but it's CLI, so when you go to edit your own text, you only see what you've written in the current thumb kb session.
Aug 06 18:17:39 <sp3000> yeah java
Aug 06 18:17:46 <timeless> :)
Aug 06 18:18:00 <trevarthan> XChat give you full current line history in the thumb kb (cause it's GTK), but it's a pain in the ass to scroll back. No pageup/pagedown buttons.
Aug 06 18:18:04 <timeless> just get rid of the java plugin until they make it stop crashing when it tries to init :)
Aug 06 18:18:26 <trevarthan> I want to drag my chat history like a browser page, and like Kagu's song list.
Aug 06 18:19:01 <timeless> travarthan: that's what we get for being stupid and putting things not into the platform
Aug 06 18:19:36 <gomiam> mmm... this is funny. The Handhelds.org Bugzilla has no kbdd option
Aug 06 18:19:38 <timeless> but yeah, i consider the fkb impl a bug
Aug 06 18:19:38 <gomiam> :-)
Aug 06 18:19:44 <trevarthan> I guess IRSSI would be perfect if the xterm was upgraded to scroll like the browser and if the current line's content showed up in the thumb kb, and if I could write hooks for it in python instead of perl.
Aug 06 18:20:35 <trevarthan> Anyone from -hackers here? Anyone who wrote the upgraded version of xterm with the side menus and such?
Aug 06 18:21:29 <timeless> i think they removed a lot of components
Aug 06 18:21:35 <timeless> because they went hog wild w/ components
Aug 06 18:21:41 <timeless> you probably want the "packages" component
Aug 06 18:21:45 <timeless> if i were to place a guess
Aug 06 18:22:36 <timeless> if they were clever, they could have abused the version field
Aug 06 18:22:40 <timeless> but something tells me they didn't
Aug 06 18:22:41 <Juhaz> trevarthan, there is an experimental python module for irssi.
Aug 06 18:22:59 <timeless> indeed, they didn't
Aug 06 18:23:11 <trevarthan> Juhaz: didn't know that. I'll check that out. that might solve one problem out of 3.
Aug 06 18:23:58 <timeless> sp3000: remind me to make an update to the bugzilla install list, the handhelds entry is out of date (moved)
Aug 06 18:24:36 <timeless> eww
Aug 06 18:24:39 * timeless frowns
Aug 06 18:31:27 * timeless cries
Aug 06 18:33:21 <trevarthan> hmmmm... anyone know of a CLI passthrough to javascript?
Aug 06 18:33:45 <timeless> ?
Aug 06 18:33:58 <timeless> there are a dozen javascript shells
Aug 06 18:34:12 <trevarthan> like, an xterm. implemented in javascript. that executes commands on a real machine?
Aug 06 18:34:13 <timeless> but what are you trying to do?
Aug 06 18:34:21 <timeless> oh
Aug 06 18:34:25 <timeless> there are a couple
Aug 06 18:34:30 <timeless> there was one called xmlterm
Aug 06 18:34:37 <timeless> another called jssh iirc
Aug 06 18:34:50 <timeless> yeah, that's the modern one
Aug 06 18:35:06 <timeless> the first one is an xterm implemented in javascript
Aug 06 18:35:27 <timeless> the second one is more of a js shell implemented in javascript for use w/ telnet
Aug 06 18:35:39 <timeless> unfortunately, the former kinda rotted a few years ago
Aug 06 18:35:51 <timeless> it was very cool, i'd love to see it resurrected :|
Aug 06 18:37:21 <trevarthan> jssh doesn't quite seem like what I need... as it's written in C...
Aug 06 18:37:32 <trevarthan> I want something written in javascript, and maybe PHP.
Aug 06 18:37:44 <trevarthan> client/server architecture.
Aug 06 18:37:58 <timeless> where the server runs arbitrary commands?
Aug 06 18:38:04 <trevarthan> yeah
Aug 06 18:38:11 * timeless shrugs
Aug 06 18:38:20 <timeless> it'd be trivially to adapt jssh to do what you want
Aug 06 18:38:37 <timeless> nsIProcess lets you run things
Aug 06 18:38:44 <trevarthan> but I can't run jssh on my n800, can i?
Aug 06 18:39:09 <timeless> actually, you probably could
Aug 06 18:39:14 <timeless> if you can't, that's a bug
Aug 06 18:39:37 <timeless> you'd need to use microb engine (or you could try minimo/firefox, but, i can't be paid to support that)
Aug 06 18:39:57 <trevarthan> yeah, already using that.
Aug 06 18:41:08 <timeless> actually, from a certain perspective, that already does everything
Aug 06 18:41:26 <timeless> since i could if you ran it instantiate nsIProcesses and run arbitrary commands
Aug 06 18:42:36 * sp3000 used it to install packages when he was missing an xterm ;)
Aug 06 18:42:48 * timeless chuckles
Aug 06 18:43:20 <timeless> actuallyl, it'd be a fairly good thing to port to microb's extensionjs package stuff
Aug 06 18:43:21 <trevarthan> yeah. ok. screw that. terrible idea. shoot me.
Aug 06 18:43:39 <trevarthan> Better to just improve osso-xterm, I think.
Aug 06 18:44:12 <timeless> trevarthan: between it and chatzilla (which i've often considered trying to convert into a mud client)
Aug 06 18:44:20 <timeless> you really could have that stuff
Aug 06 18:44:37 <timeless> anyway, it really wouldn't be too hard to do
Aug 06 18:44:55 <trevarthan> yeah, I'm not messing with it. too kludgy.
Aug 06 18:45:03 <timeless> heck, it's pretty easy to take microb and write an html file that would do it
Aug 06 18:45:09 <timeless> about:config is one
Aug 06 18:45:18 <timeless> you'd probably want to use a frameset w/ document.write
Aug 06 18:46:46 <timeless> sp3000: got time to read some scary code?
Aug 06 18:47:52 <timeless> i can't figure out what that loop is doing, or why
Aug 06 18:47:58 <sp3000> suer
Aug 06 18:48:04 <sp3000> sure even
Aug 06 18:49:39 <timeless> i mean, i think i can, it just seems kinda strange
Aug 06 18:50:28 <Luria> anyone having problems getting microb to save about : config settings?
Aug 06 18:51:08 <timeless> you need to get an updated version
Aug 06 18:51:14 <timeless> the version we shipped doesn't actually work :)
Aug 06 18:51:32 <timeless> it made a stupid assumption or three and it didn't actually hurt enough for me to fix it until after
Aug 06 18:51:36 <timeless> sorry :)
Aug 06 18:51:46 <timeless> if you have xterm, i can explain how to fix it
Aug 06 18:52:54 <Luria> sure
Aug 06 18:53:33 <Luria> (if that was directed at me)
Aug 06 18:53:57 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/resources/branding/microb/content/config.html?raw=1
Aug 06 18:54:01 <timeless> download that file
Aug 06 18:54:20 <trevarthan> timeless: hmmm.... trac is open. http://maemo-hackers.org/ticket/46
Aug 06 18:54:23 <timeless> it belongs, um, somewhere in /usr/lib/microb-engine/
Aug 06 18:55:45 <timeless> you can use find in there to find the file...
Aug 06 18:56:04 <timeless> i'd highly suggest you move theold file out of the way instead of simply deleting it
Aug 06 18:56:16 <timeless> note, you'll of course need to be root long enough to replace the file
Aug 06 18:56:40 * timeless hopes the version on sanjay is new enough
Aug 06 18:57:39 <timeless> https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/resources/branding/microb/content/config.html
Aug 06 18:57:46 <timeless> is the official file, afaict they're identical
Aug 06 18:58:05 <timeless> (it's a lot harder for me to search for files in svn than in my xref)
Aug 06 18:58:34 <Luria> thanks
Aug 06 18:58:47 <timeless> please let me know if it works
Aug 06 18:59:04 <timeless> it's fairly easy to test, either searching works or it doesn't
Aug 06 18:59:32 * timeless finds location_href (which is the thing that was needed to work around res:)
Aug 06 19:01:17 <trevarthan> inz: check my tickets for osso-xterm! help me out man! :)
Aug 06 19:01:34 <timeless> didn't inz say something about vacationing?
Aug 06 19:03:47 <gomiam> kbddd
Aug 06 19:03:50 <gomiam> argh
Aug 06 19:12:44 <trevarthan> timeless: is the GUI for the maemo browser open source? i.e. the part that wraps microb and allows you to drag scroll?
Aug 06 19:14:07 <timeless> drag scrolling isn't in the gui, it's in  the engine
Aug 06 19:14:24 <timeless> and most of the gui, and all of the engine is open source
Aug 06 19:14:41 <timeless> the "panning" of which you speak is one of many disaster areas
Aug 06 19:15:12 <ericz> uh.. my 770 is rebooting every time it connects to my wifi
Aug 06 19:15:20 <timeless> it interacts very badly w/ e.g. blogger
Aug 06 19:15:25 <timeless> and many other google web apps
Aug 06 19:15:35 <timeless> clever idea
Aug 06 19:15:44 <timeless> absolutely stupid to have implemented
Aug 06 19:15:51 <timeless> fundamentally flawed
Aug 06 19:15:51 <ericz> it searches, sees the signal, i hit connect, the icon blinks like it's connecting.. i see a glimpse of "Connected to <ssid>" and bam, reboots
Aug 06 19:16:00 <timeless> ericz: nice
Aug 06 19:16:02 <ericz> was working fine yesterday.. :/
Aug 06 19:16:11 <timeless> install ksyslogd or whatever
Aug 06 19:16:24 <timeless> you can check some flag file to get the bootreason
Aug 06 19:16:54 <ericz> hrm
Aug 06 19:17:04 <ericz> i just did it from the Tools > Connection manager
Aug 06 19:17:08 <ericz> worked..
Aug 06 19:17:23 <timeless> /proc/bootreason
Aug 06 19:17:43 <timeless> 'course, if your wifi is rebooting you, i'd imagine trying to install syslogd could be quite an adventure
Aug 06 19:17:54 <timeless> in theory you could grab the .debs manually :)
Aug 06 19:18:09 <ericz> heh
Aug 06 19:18:19 <trevarthan> timeless: so... if the engine that does that panning is open source, can you point me to the code? I'd like to take a look at how it's handled.
Aug 06 19:18:45 <ericz> Nokia770-49:~# cat /proc/bootreason sw_rst
Aug 06 19:18:52 <ericz> sw_rst mean anything to you?
Aug 06 19:19:03 <timeless> yes
Aug 06 19:19:20 <ericz> ....?
Aug 06 19:20:07 <timeless> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-02-18.log.html
Aug 06 19:20:51 <ericz> "start-up reason was reset" ?
Aug 06 19:21:10 <timeless> hey, i didn't say it meant much :)
Aug 06 19:21:42 <ericz> critical system app crashing can trigger that, anyway to find which app?
Aug 06 19:21:59 <timeless> as i said, install ksyslogd
Aug 06 19:22:34 <ericz> where can i get that?
Aug 06 19:22:58 <timeless> um, it might be in maemoextras
Aug 06 19:23:01 * timeless shrugs
Aug 06 19:23:23 <timeless> (clearly you can't get it from downloads.maemo.org)
Aug 06 19:23:44 <timeless> this is 770 you said? which release? 2005 ? 2006?
Aug 06 19:23:58 <ericz> 2006
Aug 06 19:24:24 <timeless> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.1/free/s/sysklogd/
Aug 06 19:24:26 <timeless> is for 2.1
Aug 06 19:24:32 * timeless can't remember which is which
Aug 06 19:24:35 <timeless> sorry sysklogd
Aug 06 19:24:44 <Luria> grr
Aug 06 19:24:47 <timeless> so hard to remember where people hide k's these days
Aug 06 19:24:53 <timeless> luria: it didn't work?
Aug 06 19:24:54 <ericz> ha
Aug 06 19:25:08 <timeless> ericz: you'd have to figure out which repo you want
Aug 06 19:25:16 <timeless> but it's definitely part of extras
Aug 06 19:25:21 <ericz> k
Aug 06 19:25:29 <timeless> so if you follow whichever wiki page explains how to add extras for your os rev
Aug 06 19:25:36 <Luria> about config searches now, but it still wont keep snav.enabled off
Aug 06 19:25:36 <timeless> you can search for "sysklogd" and it'll turn up
Aug 06 19:26:07 <timeless> luria: iirc snav is its own lib
Aug 06 19:26:11 <timeless> if you don't like it, just rename it
Aug 06 19:26:27 <timeless> it should be /usr/lib/microb-engine/components/libsnav.so or something
Aug 06 19:26:39 <Luria> the keyboard popup is annoying
Aug 06 19:26:41 <timeless> my spelling is of course not guaranteed, and again, don't delet,e just rename
Aug 06 19:26:53 <timeless> oh
Aug 06 19:26:56 <timeless> iirc that's not snav
Aug 06 19:27:06 <timeless> iirc that was actually in a different portion of the code
Aug 06 19:27:14 <timeless> it's fixed in the next version
Aug 06 19:27:22 <timeless> we really should try to release this week
Aug 06 19:27:45 <Luria> setting snav off goes line by line, but has the side effect of stopping that
Aug 06 19:28:52 * timeless shrugs
Aug 06 19:28:56 <Luria> but every time i set it false in a:c it turns back on at the next restart
Aug 06 19:29:01 <timeless> my memory of precisely where bad code lies is hard
Aug 06 19:29:27 <timeless> luria: you can try creating a file ~/.microb/user.js with something like:
Aug 06 19:29:34 <Luria> i can live for a week :-)
Aug 06 19:29:34 <timeless> user_pref("snav.enabled", false);
Aug 06 19:29:55 <Luria> good point
Aug 06 19:29:58 <timeless> or you can find /usr/lib/microb-engine/gre/prefs/all.js (?) and replace snav.enabled true w/ snav.enabled false
Aug 06 19:30:01 <trevarthan> anyone here ordering an openmoko developer phone? looks kinda cool.
Aug 06 19:30:06 <timeless> not sure if it's all.js or one fo the others
Aug 06 19:30:13 <timeless> it's trivial to use grep to figure it out
Aug 06 19:30:23 <timeless> i'd rather finish hacking this xref thing than check myself
Aug 06 19:30:35 <Luria> oh its in userpref
Aug 06 19:31:05 <timeless> hrm, odd
Aug 06 19:31:13 <Luria> i sudo edited it, without it running and set to opera
Aug 06 19:31:17 <Luria> no go
Aug 06 19:31:39 <timeless> wait
Aug 06 19:31:41 <timeless> snav.enabled ?
Aug 06 19:31:47 <Luria> yeah
Aug 06 19:32:01 <timeless> funny
Aug 06 19:32:12 <timeless> there isn't a default pref value for that
Aug 06 19:32:28 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaweb.c#1710
Aug 06 19:32:34 <timeless> it looks like it's reading some other file
Aug 06 19:32:39 <timeless> hrm
Aug 06 19:32:43 <timeless> and i broke the parser :)
Aug 06 19:32:49 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaweb.c?raw=1
Aug 06 19:32:53 <timeless> jump to line 1710 :)
Aug 06 19:33:33 <timeless> looks like it just helpfully enables it at startup
Aug 06 19:33:37 <timeless> unless i'm missing something :)
Aug 06 19:33:51 <timeless> not quite sure when precisely g_mozilla_web_set_default_config is used
Aug 06 19:34:22 <Luria> its no big deal if a keyboard pop up fix is coming soon
Aug 06 19:34:40 <timeless> well, we've had the fix for over a week
Aug 06 19:34:59 <timeless> i think we're trying to find a reasonably stable build and get people to agree it's stable
Aug 06 19:35:06 <Luria> and frankly xchat w/out bt kybd is painful
Aug 06 19:35:28 <Luria> meh, release often :-)
Aug 06 19:35:43 <timeless> we have a tinderbox for internal releases
Aug 06 19:35:54 <timeless> we just got some sort of access to an unstable repository
Aug 06 19:36:05 <timeless> hopefully by next week you could use that :)
Aug 06 19:36:18 <Luria> sound good
Aug 06 19:36:47 <Luria> it will be nice having good rtl support
Aug 06 19:37:32 <erstazi> who uses scratchbox here?
Aug 06 19:38:24 * timeless uses it occasionally, unfortunately
Aug 06 19:38:37 * dev does
Aug 06 19:38:39 <erstazi> what distro do you use it on?
Aug 06 19:38:46 <timeless> ?
Aug 06 19:38:48 <timeless> oh
Aug 06 19:38:50 <timeless> um
Aug 06 19:39:08 <dev> erstazi: Ubuntu
Aug 06 19:39:14 <timeless> how do i find out? :)
Aug 06 19:39:22 <Luria> i think everyone uses the vm ;-)
Aug 06 19:39:26 <timeless> $ cat /etc/debian_version
Aug 06 19:39:26 <timeless> 4.0
Aug 06 19:39:28 <erstazi> dev, did you add scratchbox's repos in your sources.list on ubuntu?
Aug 06 19:39:43 * timeless suspects most people don't
Aug 06 19:39:53 <dev> erstazi: no, I installed from tar
Aug 06 19:40:06 <erstazi> thats always an option
Aug 06 19:41:08 <timeless> [Mon Aug 06 12:32:37 2007] [error] [client 193.64.31.15] Out of memory!
Aug 06 19:41:14 <timeless> now, that's a funny error
Aug 06 19:43:15 <erstazi> setite, does cox suck?
Aug 06 19:44:48 <ericz> erstazi, as in the ISP?
Aug 06 19:45:46 <timeless> oh, btw, if you're trying to do searches right now on timeless.justdave, i'm sorry
Aug 06 19:45:54 <timeless> i'm hacking the scripts a bit and breaking things :)
Aug 06 19:48:52 <erstazi> ericz, (:
Aug 06 19:50:22 <ericz> erstazi, i have Cox (in hampton roads, VA), they give pretty cool speeds, but.. i can't host my own website on port 80, they block it incoming or something.. and.. i can only use their own port 25 smtp server, i can't run my own, but for like gmail.. since there's is SSL, it works
Aug 06 19:51:11 <erstazi> ericz, you can always get a local based cable company
Aug 06 19:51:26 <erstazi> they never care if you host a webserver or not
Aug 06 19:51:29 <timeless> ouch
Aug 06 19:51:53 * timeless really shouldn't test things on a public web server
Aug 06 19:51:55 <ericz> i'm not that concerned, i buy shared hosting anyway..
Aug 06 19:51:58 <erstazi> ericz, but actually, I was just being sarcastic
Aug 06 19:52:05 <ericz> ah :P
Aug 06 19:52:08 * ericz feels stupid
Aug 06 19:52:10 <erstazi> (:
Aug 06 19:52:11 <erstazi> its ok
Aug 06 19:52:17 <dhr> [newbie] is it possible to rotate the xterm?
Aug 06 19:52:26 <timeless> no :)
Aug 06 19:54:51 <dhr> dropbear or openssh?  I picked dropbear based on the assumption that it was smaller.  Typing dbclient instead of ssh takes getting used to (or a symlink, I hope).  Neither seems mainstream (installer doesn't work for openssh; dropbear is an offsite .deb)
Aug 06 19:55:52 <ericz> i installed dropbear-client and just typing "ssh" works for me...
Aug 06 19:56:29 <erstazi> dhr, the openssh worked for me
Aug 06 19:58:44 * sp3000 slaps $phone
Aug 06 19:58:56 <sp3000> sending with one keypress from edit is treacherous :)
Aug 06 19:58:58 <derf> The installer works for openssh.
Aug 06 19:59:13 <derf> But you must be in red pill mode or R&D mode.
Aug 06 19:59:23 <erstazi> derf, thats what I meant but my short term memory did its trip
Aug 06 20:00:12 <erstazi> isn't there a how-to for that? I think that would be helpful for dhr.
Aug 06 20:00:39 <derf> Somewhere on the wiki, I would assume.
Aug 06 20:01:07 <derf> I just run in R&D mode all the time now, so I haven't messed with it in quite some time.
Aug 06 20:02:56 <sp3000> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode
Aug 06 20:03:04 <trevarthan> Hey, do any devs want to check out the libmokoui2 scroll widget example on maemo? I've got a deb for libmokoui2 (thanks disq!) and an example binary that shows off the widget.
Aug 06 20:03:12 <sp3000> wtfbbqnostril
Aug 06 20:03:30 <sp3000> why is the link on that page a monospace formatted block
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 06 20:10:29 2007
Aug 06 20:24:42 <whereisian> Hello, I'm having a prblem with sounds on my 770, am I in the right place?
Aug 06 20:25:02 <gla55> perhaps
Aug 06 20:25:41 <trevarthan> Anyone want to try out the OpenMoko Finger Scroll Widget on their maemo device? http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#OpenMoko_Scroll_Widget_Example
Aug 06 20:26:20 <whereisian> Chat/call sounds don't play, except in audioplayer
Aug 06 20:26:55 <whereisian> Ideas?
Aug 06 20:28:25 <erstazi> whereisian, 770 or n800?
Aug 06 20:28:49 <whereisian> 770
Aug 06 20:29:02 <tso> hmm, with red pill active, a whole lot of new updates showed up. how safe is it to do them on a 770?
Aug 06 20:30:34 <whereisian> Shows 'unsupported ringing tone format' in control panel >sounds
Aug 06 20:31:40 <dragorn> tso: Avoid busybox updates
Aug 06 20:31:42 <dragorn> tso: is my $0.02
Aug 06 20:32:02 <tso> thanks, but i think ill just stay away for now :)
Aug 06 20:32:03 <dragorn> tso: also consider a "if it ain't broke" policy :P
Aug 06 20:36:17 <dhr> is there a consensus on a nice but affordable bluetooth keyboard? [sorry for the repetition but everyone went away when I asked a few minutes ago]
Aug 06 20:37:13 <nomis> dhr: the nokia one works.
Aug 06 20:46:50 <greyg00> re
Aug 06 21:08:38 <trevarthan> dhr: the ThinkOutside/iGO keyboards work "ok". Not great, but "ok".
Aug 06 21:43:44 <procto> is there a distutils for maemo yet?
Aug 06 21:44:12 <procto> I want to install SOAPpy
Aug 06 21:45:53 <procto> oh, hm, looks like it's already there
Aug 06 22:19:47 <Chili2> is maemo-mapper not working in os2007?
Aug 06 22:32:59 <Tu13es> works for me
Aug 06 22:50:09 <Chili2> libosso-help seems to be the issue
Aug 06 23:00:47 <setite> fm radio rocks
Aug 06 23:00:55 <setite> that fm tuner saved me today at work
Aug 06 23:01:52 <setite> i work construction... in a hotel tower being built... phone network doesnt work well so i have to leave the phone in the hallway... so bluetooth wasnt cutting it... and i got bored with the music i had on it.. but i enjoyed listening to fm for the first time in years
Aug 06 23:17:20 <trevarthan> setite: fm over A2DP. That would be cool. FM pause/ff/rew would be cool too, but probably too hard on the memcards.
Aug 07 00:56:38 <setite> please soemoen help me
Aug 07 00:56:40 <setite> i beg of you
Aug 07 00:56:44 <setite> im no good in linux
Aug 07 00:56:52 <setite> i cant get RD mode enabled on ym n800
Aug 07 00:59:22 <gomiam> setite
Aug 07 00:59:30 <gomiam> install becomeroot
Aug 07 00:59:41 <gomiam> (which may require entering red pill mode)
Aug 07 01:00:21 <gomiam> see http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode on how to activate red pill mode
Aug 07 01:00:59 <gomiam> while you are installing becomeroot, you may want to install osso-xterm too so you can have a console
Aug 07 01:01:49 <gomiam> anyway, what do you want RD mode for, setite?
Aug 07 01:01:52 <milhouse> xterm is the only reason to install becomeroot/R&D mode... no?
Aug 07 01:02:05 <milhouse> or i suppose ssh
Aug 07 01:02:15 <gomiam> milhouse: I don't know. Cause and effect are such vague concepts ;-)
Aug 07 01:02:23 <milhouse> :)
Aug 07 01:02:38 <milhouse> becomeroot?
Aug 07 01:02:38 <_Monkey> becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot
Aug 07 01:02:47 <gomiam> I'll get back to cataloging galaxies.
Aug 07 01:02:48 <gomiam> :-D
Aug 07 01:02:49 <milhouse> shouldn't need red pill mode to install becomeroot
Aug 07 01:02:59 <milhouse> gomiam: slacker
Aug 07 01:03:02 <milhouse> ;)
Aug 07 01:03:30 <gomiam> oh. Figures I wouldn't think about installing becomeroot directly. Must be I'm a CLI man :-)
Aug 07 01:03:51 <gomiam> milhouse: join Galaxy Zoo
Aug 07 01:04:02 <gomiam> a useful way to lose your time :-D
Aug 07 01:04:30 <milhouse> all my 770/n800 devices have been in R&D mode since the day i bought them... what's becomeroot? ;)
Aug 07 01:04:55 <gomiam> :-D
Aug 07 01:05:24 <gomiam> I won't be baited like that :-P
Aug 07 01:06:26 <gomiam> on a tangent, why does "being baited" mean "to have a bait put in front of oneself" when it should mean "to be used as bait"? :-D
Aug 07 01:07:30 <milhouse> it means someone is trying to attract you... with bait
Aug 07 01:07:35 <milhouse> so i think it's correct
Aug 07 01:08:25 <setite> ok the guys in #ubuntu helped me
Aug 07 01:08:33 <setite> i had no rights to use the flasher
Aug 07 01:08:37 <milhouse> you mean you cheated on us?
Aug 07 01:08:45 <gomiam> oh, the despair
Aug 07 01:08:58 <setite> sorry... i figured it was an ubuntu problem since that OS doesnt like me
Aug 07 01:09:10 <gomiam> all our responses will be lost... in time... like cheers... in the crowd (or something like that) :-D
Aug 07 01:09:14 <setite> ok x terminal runs...
Aug 07 01:09:18 <gomiam> good
Aug 07 01:09:31 <setite> now why did i want RD mode anyway
Aug 07 01:09:32 <setite> haha
Aug 07 01:09:40 <setite> it just made my startup unpretty
Aug 07 01:09:50 <gomiam> oh?
Aug 07 01:09:51 <setite> makes me feel all leet now
Aug 07 01:09:53 <milhouse> you always need root for flasher :)
Aug 07 01:09:56 <gomiam> :-D
Aug 07 01:10:06 <setite> can i run all my hacker tools now
Aug 07 01:10:11 <milhouse> can't beat the green text
Aug 07 01:10:24 <milhouse> setite: um... eh?
Aug 07 01:10:36 <milhouse> setite: now that you have root access you can do pretty much anything
Aug 07 01:10:39 <gomiam> hacker... as in aircrack? :-D
Aug 07 01:11:43 <setite> shit did i say hacker.. haha my bad.. i was getting a phonecall
Aug 07 01:11:44 <gomiam> (on unrelated matters, it's been a few days since aircrack-ng on Maemo evolved to 0.9.1, so I finally can Rumpeltinskin my way through Telefónica's stupid WEP key scheme)
Aug 07 01:11:55 <setite> yea aircrack.. tcpdump.. wireless-tools... nmap
Aug 07 01:11:57 <setite> the fun shit
Aug 07 01:12:04 <gomiam> yes, you can
Aug 07 01:12:11 <gomiam> so very useful
Aug 07 01:12:18 <setite> well i mean i have them installed.. btu cant see them
Aug 07 01:12:33 <setite> cli apps right
Aug 07 01:12:39 <gomiam> yup
Aug 07 01:12:45 <setite> oh nmap runs now...
Aug 07 01:12:48 <setite> i dont think it ran before
Aug 07 01:13:14 <gomiam> it probably ran before, but it threw its results where you couldn't see.
Aug 07 01:13:48 <setite> this is possible too
Aug 07 01:14:01 <setite> ok so am i like in full linux goodness now
Aug 07 01:14:06 <setite> do i need redpill
Aug 07 01:14:07 <gomiam> I must go to sleep _now_. I'm starting to draw on quantum physics quotes.
Aug 07 01:14:08 <gomiam> :-D
Aug 07 01:14:15 <setite> what i need is a fucking physics
Aug 07 01:14:22 <gomiam> setite: you probably don't but I quite like it.
Aug 07 01:14:38 <gomiam> then again, I've been apt-getting my way through everything lately
Aug 07 01:14:41 <gomiam> so...
Aug 07 01:14:48 <setite> yea i need a keyboard
Aug 07 01:14:58 <gomiam> don't buy Zaapa ZA-600
Aug 07 01:14:58 <setite> hunt and pecking sucks.. and the handwriting is a joke
Aug 07 01:15:03 <gomiam> err..
Aug 07 01:15:06 <gomiam> ZA-BK600
Aug 07 01:15:06 <setite> but im not a true PDA guy so maybe thats why
Aug 07 01:15:11 <setite> zaapa??
Aug 07 01:15:13 <gomiam> it only allows SPP
Aug 07 01:15:15 <setite> i was thinking stoway
Aug 07 01:15:23 <setite> i just need a cheap bt keyboard
Aug 07 01:15:33 <gomiam> setite: and simple support to get it running
Aug 07 01:15:35 <gomiam> otherwise....
Aug 07 01:16:08 * gomiam is checking whether stowaway supports HID
Aug 07 01:16:29 <gomiam> it looks like it does
Aug 07 01:16:30 <milhouse> stowaways are fine, support HID. my sierra works no problem.
Aug 07 01:17:13 <setite> whats cheapest that works
Aug 07 01:17:23 <setite> and do you use a fullsize or something small like stowaway
Aug 07 01:18:23 <gomiam> I was shooting for a kbd I saw on eBay, but I was offline at the critical time
Aug 07 01:18:37 <gomiam> funnily, nobody even tried to get it.
Aug 07 01:18:53 <setite> yea thats what happened to me
Aug 07 01:19:02 <setite> i was watching it for 4 horus.. and spaced it in the last hour
Aug 07 01:19:08 <gomiam> which reminds me I'm to try and buy a couple of USB Wifi cards with SMA antenna connection
Aug 07 01:19:10 <setite> and on another one i bid within 30 secs of close
Aug 07 01:19:16 <gomiam> (at last there are cards like that)
Aug 07 01:19:19 <setite> and got swooped by a pro within 5 secs
Aug 07 01:19:31 <gomiam> ow
Aug 07 01:19:35 <gomiam> that's gotta hurt
Aug 07 01:19:47 <setite> yea
Aug 07 01:19:56 <setite> well that was on a n800 actually :)
Aug 07 01:20:00 <setite> the keyboard was the 4 hour space
Aug 07 01:20:11 <setite> i was trying to get one for under 350
Aug 07 01:20:18 <setite> finally gave up and bought it at a retailer
Aug 07 01:20:24 <setite> i should have picked a better retailer
Aug 07 01:20:33 <setite> compusa extended warranties are costly
Aug 07 01:20:34 <gomiam> 350? What currency?
Aug 07 01:20:39 <setite> US
Aug 07 01:20:51 <setite> ebay they go for around 350 give or take with shipping
Aug 07 01:20:56 <gomiam> oh, you mean $350 for the N800
Aug 07 01:20:57 <gomiam> :-D
Aug 07 01:21:28 <setite> i think im gonna keep the ubuntu VM
Aug 07 01:21:31 <setite> so i can relearn it
Aug 07 01:21:51 <setite> it will help me in learning my n800 as well
Aug 07 01:21:56 <setite> you know what we need
Aug 07 01:22:00 <setite> an overclocking app :)
Aug 07 01:23:26 <gomiam> say, what would you think of a USB WiFi with external SMA antenna for EUR30,10 (taxes included)?
Aug 07 01:26:38 * nchntr pats himself on the back
Aug 07 01:27:07 <nchntr> i got my 770 booting from flash or mmc
Aug 07 01:28:14 <nchntr> i got my usb host mode enabled, cable made (found out later that u can get them at bestbuy) got my external usb harddrive/jumdrive/sd reader showing up in the /dev
Aug 07 01:28:55 <nchntr> anyone with some linux/maemo experience could tell me the correct place to mount them?  /mnt/ or /dev/ /media/ ?
Aug 07 01:33:06 <trevarthan> Can anyone tell me how to put screenshots on the application page of maemo.org?
Aug 07 01:33:49 <Luria> trev, btw, i wasnt able to reproduce my problems with the scanner
Aug 07 01:34:04 <Luria> can i manually delete the db?
Aug 07 01:36:53 <trevarthan> Luria: yeah.
Aug 07 01:37:03 <trevarthan> I found the screenshot thing, BTW.
Aug 07 02:15:12 <pupnik> what did i miss
Aug 07 02:15:22 <N800> nada
Aug 07 02:15:47 <N800> i found a much better suited paint/sketch program....that i think i might be able to hildon...
Aug 07 02:16:02 <N800> by the same dude who made mtpaint.
Aug 07 02:20:55 <erstazi> pupnik, I got a question for you, its driving me crazy
Aug 07 02:21:17 <erstazi> I got scratchbox setup, I got the user and all
Aug 07 02:21:49 <pupnik> nice N800
Aug 07 02:22:11 <erstazi> but I cannot get pass this: http://tinyurl.com/2u9gpk
Aug 07 02:22:19 <pupnik> erstazi: you're in luck, i have a 2.2 working here and N800 has a working 3.0
Aug 07 02:22:43 <pupnik> the login?
Aug 07 02:22:46 <erstazi> yes
Aug 07 02:23:05 <pupnik> what is your host os, and what is the error you see after login command
Aug 07 02:23:24 <erstazi> if I am as normal user in terminal on the pc, it says I don't have permissions, then if I go as root, it says I don't have permissions
Aug 07 02:23:26 <N800> erstazi, what distro?
Aug 07 02:23:28 <erstazi> let me make sure thats exact
Aug 07 02:23:33 <erstazi> Ubuntu 7.04
Aug 07 02:23:39 <N800> dude
Aug 07 02:23:45 <N800> install via the debs
Aug 07 02:24:05 <N800> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351
Aug 07 02:24:11 <N800> you cannot go wrong
Aug 07 02:24:19 <pupnik> yeah that's how i did it - with the debs - but maybe we can fix the error first
Aug 07 02:24:20 <orakle> hey
Aug 07 02:24:27 <N800> follow those instructions.
Aug 07 02:24:32 <orakle> have any of you had luck with using WEP and PEAP on the nokia 770?
Aug 07 02:24:41 <orakle> My university's wireless runs that and so far I haven't been able to connect
Aug 07 02:24:52 <erstazi> main@main:/$ /usr/bin/scratchbox
Aug 07 02:24:52 <erstazi> bash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied
Aug 07 02:24:58 <pupnik> nice link N800
Aug 07 02:24:59 <erstazi> N800, I did
Aug 07 02:24:59 <N800> not sure about the PEAP
Aug 07 02:25:15 <orakle> normal WEP is okay
Aug 07 02:25:16 <erstazi> these were installed by debs
Aug 07 02:25:21 <N800> yes
Aug 07 02:25:24 <pupnik> ls -l /usr/bin/scratchbox
Aug 07 02:25:24 <pupnik> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-03-13 20:16 /usr/bin/scratchbox -> /scratchbox/login
Aug 07 02:25:29 <erstazi> ok
Aug 07 02:25:29 <orakle> but this is equivalent to the "dynamic wep" or "key is provided for me" setting in windows
Aug 07 02:25:41 <pupnik> ls -l /scratchbox/login
Aug 07 02:25:42 <pupnik> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sbox 7009 2006-11-30 02:31 /scratchbox/login
Aug 07 02:25:54 <erstazi> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-08-06 17:51 /usr/bin/scratchbox -> /scratchbox/login
Aug 07 02:25:57 <erstazi> the group is root
Aug 07 02:25:58 <erstazi> shit
Aug 07 02:26:09 <erstazi> ok I got that
Aug 07 02:26:10 <erstazi> sorry
Aug 07 02:26:12 <erstazi> stupid question
Aug 07 02:26:27 <pupnik> and your normal user needs to be in sbox group i think
Aug 07 02:26:33 <erstazi> it is
Aug 07 02:26:35 <N800> yes
Aug 07 02:26:43 <erstazi> I can't believe I forgot all about that being the root group
Aug 07 02:26:49 <erstazi> I thought being a deb it would set it up
Aug 07 02:26:53 <pupnik> orakle: dunno
Aug 07 02:27:09 <orakle> there seems to be some support for it in linux under wpa_supplicant
Aug 07 02:27:22 <orakle> but i haven't been able to find a binary package of it for the 770
Aug 07 02:27:55 <erstazi> I thought WEP could be cracked
Aug 07 02:28:01 <pupnik> erstazi: if you get this error let me know Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
Aug 07 02:28:03 <erstazi> isn't WPA more secure?
Aug 07 02:28:12 <erstazi> pupnik, do you get that error?
Aug 07 02:28:23 <erstazi> I will have to keep a lookout for that
Aug 07 02:28:26 <orakle> erstazi, it is, but i'm stuck with what my university is using
Aug 07 02:28:33 <orakle> they probably use wep for compatibility with dated wifi gear
Aug 07 02:28:43 <N800> erstazi, wpa aes
Aug 07 02:28:53 <N800> erstazi, wpa2 aes
Aug 07 02:29:42 <pupnik> If you boot a kernel without VDSO support and attempt to login to the Scratchbox environment you will recieve the following error.
Aug 07 02:30:37 <erstazi> ah
Aug 07 02:32:55 <pupnik> vdso = Virtual Dynamic Shared Objects, not enabled in all kernels
Aug 07 02:36:00 <pupnik> i have to make all sdl games work like marbles
Aug 07 02:36:09 <pupnik> that thing is perfect
Aug 07 02:37:37 <erstazi> pupnik, how do I know if VDSO is enabled?
Aug 07 02:38:02 <pupnik> if you don't get the error on login you are ok
Aug 07 02:39:54 <erstazi> I keep getting a permissions issue
Aug 07 02:40:15 <erstazi> this time about needing to log out and log back in to be set for the sbox group
Aug 07 02:40:16 <erstazi> ugh
Aug 07 02:41:55 <pupnik> yeah that one was strange
Aug 07 02:42:49 <erstazi> I got a headache and I don't want to read documentation tonight
Aug 07 02:43:29 <pupnik> dont
Aug 07 02:43:35 <pupnik> you can reboot and all will be well, i think
Aug 07 02:45:07 <erstazi> yeah
Aug 07 02:45:12 <erstazi> I just need to read more on this
Aug 07 02:45:20 <erstazi> I understand it is a sandbox and all
Aug 07 02:45:23 <erstazi> and self contained
Aug 07 02:45:25 <erstazi> but blah
Aug 07 02:45:31 <erstazi> brb reboot
Aug 07 02:46:51 <bldewolf> orakle, WEP with EAP doesn't work :(
Aug 07 02:49:02 <erstazi> fresh installs reboot very fast
Aug 07 02:51:18 <orakle> bldewolf i know :)
Aug 07 02:51:35 <orakle> what's in the way of it working though?
Aug 07 02:52:07 <orakle> that is to say, if i get scratchbox up and running and compile wpa_supplicant with the 770 as a target, would it work?
Aug 07 02:55:55 <bldewolf> no idea
Aug 07 02:56:05 <bldewolf> I was going to try doing that myself, in a similar situation
Aug 07 02:56:08 <erstazi> wb pupnik_
Aug 07 02:56:17 <bldewolf> either wpa_supplicant or xsupplicant
Aug 07 02:57:35 <bldewolf> at my work we support WEP/WPA with EAP, but my 770 still doesn't work because our AP's advertise WEP with EAP instead of WPA...
Aug 07 02:57:45 <erstazi> ERROR: '/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid' is not suid ROOT.
Aug 07 02:57:48 <erstazi> ugh
Aug 07 02:58:22 <pupnik_> you don't have scratchbox on a vfat partition or something crazy, do you?
Aug 07 02:59:40 <erstazi> pupnik, no, ext3
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