**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 12 02:59:57 2007 Aug 12 04:15:27 Did I end up with a repository I shouldn't have, or is MicroB available for the 770 now? Aug 12 04:18:54 wow. if microb runs on 770, im getting one for shits and giggles. Aug 12 04:19:37 speaking of which, the 770 only has 2 repo, which one should I add for official maemo releases? Aug 12 07:51:40 can anyone give me some VNC maemo advice? Aug 12 07:54:16 I am trying to use VNC on a local network Aug 12 07:54:50 but I can't connect when I use the local IP (192.168.1.2 etc) Aug 12 07:54:55 I tried it once and didn't have any problems.. Aug 12 07:55:17 I simply get unable to connect Aug 12 07:55:57 connection failed to be precise Aug 12 07:56:00 are you trying to connect to a vnc server on some desktop computer using the vnc client on your 770/n800? Aug 12 07:56:47 yup Aug 12 07:57:18 can you connect using a vnc client on some desktop computer? To make sure the vnc server is running properl.. Aug 12 07:57:22 +y Aug 12 07:58:04 with the local ip? Aug 12 07:58:26 yes Aug 12 07:58:27 i only have 1 PC Aug 12 07:58:45 hmm.. That makes the testing a bit harder.. Aug 12 07:58:49 linux? Aug 12 07:58:50 <_Monkey> linux is a free kernel thats inside most open source operating systems today and its a core technology for Maemo Aug 12 07:59:00 has anyone bought navicore for their 770 or n800 from the online navicore website? Aug 12 07:59:23 im gonna reboot and try again Aug 12 07:59:26 brb Aug 12 07:59:27 crazyjimbo: try connecting to vnc server with telnet to see it is running.. Aug 12 08:00:03 you can test that from the vnc server computer and from the n800 (assuming you have telnet there.. Aug 12 08:00:07 ) Aug 12 08:00:42 cant telnet Aug 12 08:00:52 port 23 error Aug 12 08:01:10 on the vnc server computer: telnet localhost Aug 12 08:01:25 so you say to telnet from the PC to its own ip? Aug 12 08:01:53 yep, to make sure the vnc server is listening.. But I don't remember what's the vnc port.. Aug 12 08:02:09 5900 Aug 12 08:02:14 I got a license error Aug 12 08:02:16 SO Aug 12 08:02:20 that is the answer! Aug 12 08:02:50 the linux telnet is good for testing if somebody is listening.. :) Aug 12 08:03:25 lol Aug 12 08:03:27 cool Aug 12 08:03:27 if the port is not telnet port, then the telnet skips telnet negotiation and just makes a tcp connection on the given port Aug 12 08:03:42 gonna reinstall vnc Aug 12 08:03:45 is f*cked Aug 12 08:05:17 hmm.. I have tightvncserver and vnc4server installed. Can't remember which one I tried.. Aug 12 08:06:18 I just found VNC Enterprise Edition 4.1.3 Aug 12 08:28:10 surprised i haven't seen nxclient for maemo yet Aug 12 08:31:49 pupnik: http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/02/18/nx-and-the-nokia-770 Aug 12 08:34:21 thanks Aug 12 08:47:20 pupnik: are you around? Aug 12 08:48:17 yah Aug 12 09:17:40 Morning, all Aug 12 09:41:50 Anyone here using Pidgin on N800? Aug 12 10:18:57 pupnik, check it out MYpaint deviation. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1121/1091006421_22dbd214b4.jpg?v=0 Aug 12 10:24:21 nice Aug 12 10:27:18 just found an awesome brush...that gave the sun the burn look Aug 12 10:28:36 It does look nice. But for reasons derf mentioned, I'm more partial to a C/C++ app. When mtpaint/rgbpaint gets alpha blended brushes, i'll get back into it. Aug 12 10:30:06 its python and c now.. Aug 12 10:30:14 for mypaint Aug 12 10:30:34 not sure about mt and rgb Aug 12 10:30:40 same developer.. Aug 12 10:30:45 send him an email.. Aug 12 10:31:05 we've been chatting in email. no python in mtpaint Aug 12 10:31:53 i probably won't get around to learning more gtk/hildon until 2008. sdl is all i can handle to think about right now. Aug 12 10:33:15 when the choice comes to running ubuntu embed on MMC, i think then running these draw/paint/sketch apps will be fun Aug 12 10:35:50 much better http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1016/1091129561_7782dd067f.jpg?v=0 Aug 12 10:36:05 what you think? Aug 12 10:36:48 looks like a happy sunshine. Aug 12 10:41:34 MyPaint needs an icon Aug 12 10:41:44 and it really needs to be hildonized :) Aug 12 10:41:59 i got the icons.. Aug 12 10:42:22 i worked on a deb pack last night.. Aug 12 10:42:47 it does timelyx, want the job? Aug 12 10:43:05 pupnik: what did you mean by the right-hand-side-button revolution? Aug 12 10:43:38 i saw you mentioning that it would be nice to have a few buttons on the right hand side Aug 12 10:43:50 heh Aug 12 10:43:50 pupnik: Yeah. it would rock Aug 12 10:44:02 no, i'm not a fan of anything gtk related Aug 12 10:44:07 and hildon is a gtk derivative Aug 12 10:44:39 mypaint is python more than gtk Aug 12 10:44:40 I still think that alternative would the to have shoulder buttons for selection. It would take less room that way. Aug 12 10:45:02 * pupnik is fanatical about buttons for the right hand Aug 12 10:45:05 unique311: i prefer to write guis in XUL+JS not Python Aug 12 10:45:10 shoulder A on the left side and shoulder B on the right side. Aug 12 10:45:29 you mean modern gameboy style? Aug 12 10:45:37 yes two shoulder on right hand side could also work ok, but when i hold the device, the proper place is under my thumb Aug 12 10:45:41 xul+js Aug 12 10:46:24 xul is XML-based User Interface Language. XUL (pronounced "zuul") is the user interface description language used for creating user interfaces with Mozilla's Cross Platform Front End. http://mozilla.org/xpfe/xptoolkit/xulintro.html or application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml - A good introduction/tutorial is at http://www.xulplanet.com. see XUL1.0. or http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/ Aug 12 10:46:25 timelyx, you a web dev? Aug 12 10:46:34 unique311: um, depends which hat i wear when Aug 12 10:46:51 i write my own rss/atom, roll my own generator, write my own blogs Aug 12 10:47:07 i write patches for bugzilla/bonsai/mxr/tinderbox/despot (cgi) Aug 12 10:47:24 i write patches to mozilla core (c++) Aug 12 10:47:37 i write patches to xul based apps (xul, js) Aug 12 10:47:45 sometimes i'm forced to use css ... Aug 12 10:48:04 and i'll generally hunt bugs through any layer as long as i can get the sources into a cross reference Aug 12 10:49:40 hi Aug 12 10:49:42 i can use dreamweaver somewhat... Aug 12 10:49:52 is that good timelyx? Aug 12 10:49:53 i avoid dreamweaver/photoshop Aug 12 10:49:54 lol Aug 12 10:50:12 i have been known to use psp to make alternate theme mockups Aug 12 10:50:30 and in past lives i've made my own icon sets and translations for various apps Aug 12 10:50:44 a couple of years ago, i insisted that i didn't do DB/SQL work Aug 12 10:50:48 that was a lie Aug 12 10:51:18 i've also claimed not to do layout work, but i'm the webkit (?) credits for doing just that Aug 12 10:51:41 n800 owner? Aug 12 10:51:52 does having one in a sealed box count? :) Aug 12 10:52:07 i own a 770 :) Aug 12 10:52:16 the rest of my n800s are technically owned by nokia :) Aug 12 10:52:35 ok Aug 12 10:52:48 i'm a heavy user though :) Aug 12 10:52:56 you work for them Aug 12 10:52:59 yes Aug 12 10:53:15 let me air out then.. Aug 12 10:53:50 seriously need a team to hildon apps for people like me who no nothing of doing so. Aug 12 10:54:02 * timelyx chuckles Aug 12 10:54:02 get headaches from even trying to do so. Aug 12 10:54:16 has no one done hildon bindings for python? Aug 12 10:54:28 i'm a browser engineer, you have my sympathies Aug 12 10:54:35 but i'm not the person you want to talk to Aug 12 10:54:38 guess konttori disq trevarthan Aug 12 10:55:10 for python, at least the app menu stuff should be trivial assuming bindings Aug 12 10:55:32 the status line in hildon style would be an infobanner Aug 12 10:55:52 oh, unlike most people you'll meet, i actually read specifications Aug 12 10:56:15 and while i'm not guaranteed to be able to quote them, i probably do know them better than their authors (having read them in their entirety and more recently) Aug 12 10:56:37 but all this makes sense to i guess someone with a developers background. Aug 12 10:56:41 i also care about consistency (and spot really tiny details) Aug 12 10:57:18 anyway, i suppose at some point i'll blog explaining who our team members are Aug 12 10:57:26 once i figure out if i'm allowed to say who they are Aug 12 10:57:32 we have some problems in that area Aug 12 10:57:54 but first i need to file a bunch of rss/atom bugs :( Aug 12 10:58:31 any reason why you are still using the 770? Aug 12 10:59:07 too many installed apps Aug 12 10:59:12 no clear upgrade path Aug 12 10:59:25 safety in knowing work won't force me to destroy my data Aug 12 10:59:42 very hard to confuse it w/ my other devices and accidentally flash it Aug 12 11:00:01 i don't actually use it that often Aug 12 11:00:04 but those are the reasons Aug 12 11:00:15 it's not because the usb behavior is better Aug 12 11:00:25 (which it is, or at least was) Aug 12 11:00:29 i was thinking that was why Aug 12 11:00:39 or because some of the video things actually got worse w/ n800 hardware Aug 12 11:00:40 usb host mode Aug 12 11:00:42 (which they sorta did) Aug 12 11:00:54 you work for them.. Aug 12 11:01:07 because to be honest, i only use video for demos and haven't done a demo of video since maybe february Aug 12 11:01:13 you think you should be saying all this on a public channel like this Aug 12 11:01:27 i'm aware it's a logged public channel Aug 12 11:01:34 these aren't really secrets Aug 12 11:02:02 imagine having 5 devices w/ no way to distinguish them Aug 12 11:02:07 you're going to accidentally flash the wrong one Aug 12 11:02:16 believe me, i'm pretty sure i did thursday or friday :( Aug 12 11:02:27 or at least, i tried to, maybe i forgot to actually do it :) Aug 12 11:02:53 as for the usb stuff, that's also well known Aug 12 11:03:11 oh, the other thing was that media player in n800 did get worse in some ways Aug 12 11:03:22 don't use it Aug 12 11:03:24 but don't ask me which, i don't really use it much and can't remember Aug 12 11:03:35 i think they're supposed to be fixing some of that stuff Aug 12 11:03:42 i use kagu to play my music now.. Aug 12 11:03:55 personally i used rhapsody while i could Aug 12 11:04:03 and have no interest otherwise Aug 12 11:04:15 i would like a nice hildon'd paint app Aug 12 11:04:18 sketch Aug 12 11:04:22 doesn't matter Aug 12 11:04:24 i want either rhapsody, or just the ability to play mp3s Aug 12 11:04:33 anything can do the latter Aug 12 11:04:41 and well, basically only rhapsody does the former Aug 12 11:04:46 rhapsody.. Aug 12 11:05:04 some on-line music service i think Aug 12 11:05:09 its in the garage? Aug 12 11:05:13 no Aug 12 11:05:16 yes Aug 12 11:05:18 it's a real.com product Aug 12 11:05:23 or rather, err Aug 12 11:05:34 this is a nokia n800 branded port of a real.com product? Aug 12 11:05:36 * timelyx shrugs Aug 12 11:05:40 subscription based Aug 12 11:05:52 no, i'm not a free software zealot Aug 12 11:05:53 ok Aug 12 11:06:06 i'm a pragmatist Aug 12 11:06:57 anyway, i'm hoping that i've convinced someone internally how to deal w/ sketch Aug 12 11:07:05 (which is approximately: take it out back and shoot it) Aug 12 11:07:17 <__Andreas__> hello everyone Aug 12 11:07:18 yes Aug 12 11:07:23 but i can't really say much beyond that w/o knowing their actual plans Aug 12 11:07:34 and i probably couldn't say more until they finished and shipped Aug 12 11:07:36 they should work on something like mypaint rgb or mt Aug 12 11:07:45 those are wonderful apps.. Aug 12 11:07:51 mypaint is really good Aug 12 11:08:06 i recommended something else, but i'm not really in touch w/ those people Aug 12 11:08:12 (heck, i can't remember who they are :) Aug 12 11:08:16 it has touch sensitivity Aug 12 11:08:53 <__Andreas__> does anyone know where to download the latest gtreamer for n770? Aug 12 11:09:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBu7srp0WPs Aug 12 11:09:26 heres a video i made..sucks Aug 12 11:09:41 the video really sucks Aug 12 11:11:00 have you seen: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability Aug 12 11:11:12 hrm wrong thing Aug 12 11:11:33 my camera doesn't want to focus on lcd screens Aug 12 11:11:40 actually, no, it has the right thing near the very bottom Aug 12 11:14:15 hrm Aug 12 11:14:18 and this is going to help me hildonize mypaint? Aug 12 11:14:24 dunno Aug 12 11:14:26 never used it :) Aug 12 11:14:35 the video was taken with my ppc6700 Aug 12 11:14:41 <__Andreas__> no idea of gstreamer? :( Aug 12 11:14:46 * timelyx is downloading the sources for hildon and friends now Aug 12 11:14:48 1.3 mp Aug 12 11:15:06 __Andreas__: downloads.maemo.org isn't helpful? Aug 12 11:15:10 gstreamer Aug 12 11:15:22 <__Andreas__> not found the binaries Aug 12 11:15:47 <__Andreas__> need it for the new modplug streamer plugin Aug 12 11:16:04 <__Andreas__> which doesnt work without new gstremer Aug 12 11:16:23 redpill mode Aug 12 11:16:24 <_Monkey> redpill mode is at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode Aug 12 11:16:25 apt-cache search gstreamer Aug 12 11:16:43 you can install libs in appmanager? nice Aug 12 11:17:00 don't you need to be in red pill mode? Aug 12 11:17:09 i guess so Aug 12 11:17:38 i prefer apt tools Aug 12 11:18:04 i think that you can install individual files w/o redpill Aug 12 11:18:13 but if you want to see a lib from a repo you'd need redpill Aug 12 11:20:28 <__Andreas__> tried apt-get install gstreamer-tools Aug 12 11:20:47 isn't red pill required to install packages that are not in user/SOMETHING section ? Aug 12 11:20:51 <__Andreas__> installed something, but modplayer doesnt work at all Aug 12 11:21:54 * timelyx grumbles Aug 12 11:22:03 modplayer for amiga mods? Aug 12 11:22:04 whose stupid idea was it to create 0 byte README files for debian systems? Aug 12 11:22:20 <__Andreas__> yes Aug 12 11:22:23 the packager is supposed to fill in the readme Aug 12 11:22:30 <__Andreas__> its new on maemo.org Aug 12 11:22:35 ok i will install it Aug 12 11:25:15 http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=tater&cpg=33H :) Aug 12 11:25:19 something is borked with synergy + xim + opera - can't type into url field Aug 12 11:25:22 <__Andreas__> on maemo.org theres written its a gstreamer plugin Aug 12 11:25:51 but when i open a 2nd opera window, i can type into the address field Aug 12 11:25:52 <__Andreas__> therefor it should work with the built in audio player on 770, right? Aug 12 11:26:07 i looking __Andreas__ Aug 12 11:26:20 <__Andreas__> great ;) Aug 12 11:27:15 can not click on maemo.org link to modplug tracker: Unable to complete secure transaction: http://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1254 Aug 12 11:27:34 pupnik: the page says: Aug 12 11:27:34 Also available now in this repo: Aug 12 11:27:35 deb http://download.talinux.tal.org/pub/maemo scirocco free Aug 12 11:27:50 ok ty Aug 12 11:28:10 scirocco - so old? Aug 12 11:28:11 <__Andreas__> yes added it to my repository list in the programmmanager Aug 12 11:28:30 then it should get the new gst too from there.. Aug 12 11:28:47 <__Andreas__> nope... sorry Aug 12 11:31:29 unique311: do you still need help? Aug 12 11:34:45 need help? Aug 12 11:34:49 no Aug 12 11:37:27 that xhyperoid game is kinda fun Aug 12 11:48:21 hello Aug 12 11:48:48 that mod plugin doesn't register mod or .MOD for the audio player Aug 12 11:49:00 where are defined the gettext messages used in maemo applications like _("ai_me_view")? Aug 12 11:50:11 i want to use the "select all" message, but i don't know the "standard key" Aug 12 11:52:08 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_localization_bora.html <- you have read this? Aug 12 12:01:04 gst-launch-0.10 dsppcmsrc ! dsppcmsink Aug 12 12:01:16 turn your 770 into an echo box :P Aug 12 12:01:40 hiLarious :) Aug 12 12:03:51 at volume over 70% the feedback is >1.0 here though Aug 12 12:07:17 also a great prank to play on someone if you ever can ssh to their device :) Aug 12 12:13:33 onion, you around? i'd like to reverse the dpad mapping on xhyperoid - also sounds would be nice Aug 12 12:59:58 hey all Aug 12 13:00:19 what's the best compression/res/framerate/mediaplayer for maximum compression for the n800?? Aug 12 13:01:08 i know it's a tradeoff Aug 12 13:01:23 i just want a decent looking video with the smallest size Aug 12 13:02:52 xvid Aug 12 13:03:10 ... is the best i've found Aug 12 13:03:18 does the media player that ships play xvid? Aug 12 13:03:25 i ws using mplayer Aug 12 13:03:36 i use mplayer Aug 12 13:03:40 but i wondered if the default on also uses mplayer Aug 12 13:03:42 ahhh ok Aug 12 13:03:50 what about framerates? Aug 12 13:03:55 sound quality? Aug 12 13:04:05 compression ratio Aug 12 13:04:37 for example.....if i wanted to fit a 25 min piece of video Aug 12 13:04:44 what kinda size would you expect? Aug 12 13:05:09 and what res would you use? - I tried 640x480 which looks ok.... Aug 12 13:05:23 I remember on my old dell axim i ran a film at 320x240 Aug 12 13:05:31 cos that was the screen size and it looked fine Aug 12 13:06:13 for mplayer use ???x240 Aug 12 13:06:38 ok Aug 12 13:06:47 i get 25 minute tv shows into about 70-80 MB Aug 12 13:06:54 cos the 220 dpi is a double edged sword really ;) Aug 12 13:06:59 right ok Aug 12 13:07:03 thanks pupnik Aug 12 13:07:07 that's what I was hoping for Aug 12 13:07:11 what do you use to do it? Aug 12 13:07:18 mencoder on linux Aug 12 13:07:35 dvdrip is nice Aug 12 13:07:52 got an example command line for me to use? Aug 12 13:08:01 would be really helpful! Aug 12 13:08:42 http://www.bleb.org/software/770/770-encode.pl Aug 12 13:08:49 that has some good settings Aug 12 13:09:16 but it uses mpeg4 divx Aug 12 13:09:21 i think xvid looks better Aug 12 13:09:25 right Aug 12 13:09:32 also i do lots of tweaking for animation/cartoons Aug 12 13:09:44 pupnik I'm really interested in that too Aug 12 13:09:49 as a lot of what i want is animated Aug 12 13:09:58 any chance of sharing your technique? Aug 12 13:10:00 gimme a minute Aug 12 13:10:03 awesome Aug 12 13:10:05 thanks dude Aug 12 13:12:18 trying to find the best one - i made a couple of mistakes on the version i have here Aug 12 13:14:12 ok Aug 12 13:14:20 pupnik thanks a lot for this Aug 12 13:20:05 can't wait to get some decent media on my nokia Aug 12 13:21:10 yeah i was messing with this stuff for a couple of weeks Aug 12 13:21:21 aweomse Aug 12 13:21:35 testing now to make sure i'm not screwing up Aug 12 13:21:46 coool Aug 12 13:22:30 fixing my library problems Aug 12 13:22:51 is it quicker than dvdrip? Aug 12 13:23:39 the options i pick are very slow Aug 12 13:23:48 oh and two pass encoding gives better results than this Aug 12 13:23:56 as long as it produces small/high quality Aug 12 13:24:00 cool Aug 12 13:24:05 can you put that in asd an option Aug 12 13:24:09 so i know how to do it Aug 12 13:25:39 that will be left as an "exercise to the reader" Aug 12 13:27:16 is usb networking working a windows host currently? Aug 12 13:29:02 ok thanks pupnik Aug 12 13:31:12 did it test ok? Aug 12 13:33:14 heh you got me into a testing/tweaking loop here Aug 12 13:33:34 heheh Aug 12 13:33:35 cool Aug 12 13:33:41 I'm at the inlaws at the mo Aug 12 13:33:57 moer screwups - Aug 12 13:34:05 and may have to go..... if so any chance you can mail it to..... silentkeystroke@googlemail.com Aug 12 13:34:10 heheeh Aug 12 13:34:19 sorry. I was hoping to be here Aug 12 13:41:54 cbx33: here's the best i got so far with xvid codec -- the lavc codec claims to be good too, trying to compare now Aug 12 13:41:58 http://pastebin.ca/654475 Aug 12 13:45:10 770-encode.pl uses lavc and vcodec=mpeg4. Now i really don't know if that's better or worse than xvid. Last i recall i was getting better compression though slightly artificially smoothed surfaces with xvid Aug 12 13:46:29 greets AD-N770 Aug 12 13:46:44 hi pupnik Aug 12 13:47:22 your nethack port was one of the things that made me realize i needed a 770 Aug 12 13:47:59 coool Aug 12 13:48:02 thanks so much pupnik Aug 12 13:48:08 I'll check that out and be back later Aug 12 13:48:24 ok cheers Aug 12 13:48:31 I'll give you a comparison Aug 12 13:48:38 and....possibly write it up in a blog post Aug 12 13:48:41 if you don't mind Aug 12 13:48:51 right now crunching a big film down to 200MB and testing Aug 12 13:50:37 I bought the 770 for reading eboks, but two weeks after I decided that have nethack on it would be really interesting Aug 12 13:50:50 nowadays I cannot find time to play with it Aug 12 13:51:19 play=code or play=play? Aug 12 13:51:31 both Aug 12 13:55:14 pupnik how big a film? Aug 12 13:55:58 pupnik do you just add those vf scale and crops to it? Aug 12 13:57:16 i tweak the crop and scale individually for each film Aug 12 14:00:29 oops i have lumi_mask in there twice. also you can add 'cartoon' for encoder options, and reduce fps to the actual cartoon fps. also for noisy films, you can pull down the brighness, apply a lumi-mask filter to throw out the dark areas, then bring up the brightness before the encoder portion - helps cut out the noise - on an extreme example i almost totally killed the noise and background on a comedy standup live performance film a Aug 12 14:00:36 oh really? Aug 12 14:00:53 wow Aug 12 14:02:07 gmc, global motion compensation also can save you a lot of bandwidth Aug 12 14:02:21 ok Aug 12 14:02:28 well i awaitr your golden recipe Aug 12 14:02:35 I'll keep trying and tweaking Aug 12 14:03:41 see ya later dude Aug 12 14:03:44 thanks so much Aug 12 14:04:02 i think Andrew Flegg's 770-encode.pl script is really good Aug 12 14:07:09 Movie-Aspect is 1.80:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect. Aug 12 14:07:09 VO: [nokia770] 400x240 => 432x240 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom] Aug 12 14:07:14 blah Aug 12 14:08:01 i want to force it to 400x240 - gotta set the scale to 1.6666667 Aug 12 14:08:09 s/scale/aspect Aug 12 14:10:31 pupnik: use the -m-force-aspect -m1.1666666 doohicky Aug 12 14:11:01 Shouldn't be generating videos any bigger than the preset specifies, if it is - it's a bug, so send me more details :) Aug 12 14:11:43 oh not using 770-encode.pl right now. have you compared xvidenc to lavc ? Aug 12 14:12:02 thanks - fixed the aspect Aug 12 14:13:02 pupnik: no, better results? Aug 12 14:14:16 i'll set up some testcases Aug 12 14:15:12 not best visual quality but for high compression i like how xvid smoothes out unintersting textures and noise Aug 12 14:15:22 so maybe yes better results Aug 12 14:15:54 -vf-add hqdn3d -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=436:me_quality=6:vhq=4:lumi_mask:gmc Aug 12 14:25:37 lo Aug 12 14:25:55 hi Aug 12 14:25:56 :) Aug 12 14:30:25 i have to manually crop movies to get the right xvid: par=0/0 (vga11), displayed=400x240, sampled=400x240 Aug 12 14:32:06 disq: seen on bathroom wall: "For a good time, call gst-launch-0.10 dsppcmsrc ! dsppcmsink " Aug 12 14:32:07 <_Monkey> I haven't seen 'on', pupnik Aug 12 14:32:44 lol Aug 12 14:35:37 i wonder if i could trick xsp into functioning as a hardware page-flipping/double-buffer Aug 12 14:36:02 paint to alternating areas and then flip the source rect for xsp Aug 12 14:37:05 to fix tearing? Aug 12 14:39:05 no general sdl animation Aug 12 14:40:45 right now i have to composite everything in an sdl buffer, then blit the whole 320x240 rect to the screen Aug 12 14:41:14 this would be analogous to a sdl hwsurface Aug 12 14:41:26 with double-buf Aug 12 14:45:58 hey pupnik Aug 12 14:45:59 <_Monkey> i heard pupnik was here Aug 12 14:46:02 just about to test it Aug 12 14:47:47 i had to add -vf-add crop=664:400 -vf-add scale=400:240 -force-avi-aspect 400/240 just now. for some reason i can't get xvid to stretch x/y differently Aug 12 14:48:43 oh i see Aug 12 14:48:45 ok Aug 12 14:48:50 you said about adding comic? Aug 12 14:48:53 where do i add that? Aug 12 14:50:13 cartoon goes in the xvidencopts section Aug 12 14:53:55 pupnik, how do i know what to use for the add crop? Aug 12 14:55:02 depends on the size and borders of the source video Aug 12 14:55:07 i see Aug 12 14:55:32 720x576 Aug 12 14:55:43 dunno about borders Aug 12 14:58:59 pupnik, will it convert vobs? Aug 12 14:59:36 so if you want the full 720 width from the source, then you crop=720:432 to get the 1.66667 aspect ratio Aug 12 14:59:48 ok Aug 12 14:59:55 then i scale to 400/240 Aug 12 14:59:59 yeah Aug 12 15:00:08 cool Aug 12 15:00:16 did you say it would convert vobs? Aug 12 15:00:32 no Aug 12 15:00:55 so i have to take an avi? Aug 12 15:01:25 no Aug 12 15:01:57 ?? Aug 12 15:03:35 what do i do if I have a vob source? Aug 12 15:03:55 man mencoder Aug 12 15:04:03 ok Aug 12 15:04:05 thanks Aug 12 15:04:26 (i think i used dvdrip) Aug 12 15:04:34 did you do that Aug 12 15:04:38 to get it to a raw avi? Aug 12 15:04:46 then use your convert on that avi file? Aug 12 15:04:49 yeah Aug 12 15:04:52 ok Aug 12 15:04:55 that's what I'll do Aug 12 15:06:12 so when u use dvdrip, what did you rip into? Aug 12 15:06:51 did you still use xvid? or is ther e araw option? Aug 12 15:07:40 don't remember what i used Aug 12 15:07:56 ok Aug 12 15:08:03 just make it high quality Aug 12 15:10:05 what kinda kbit/s is good for the hight quality avi? Aug 12 15:10:16 yeah, you can also copy over the video without recoding - copy codec Aug 12 15:10:35 cool Aug 12 15:10:42 sounds like you know a lot about this pupnik Aug 12 15:11:01 just enough to get by Aug 12 15:11:22 so you can copy the video from the vob to an avi without recoding Aug 12 15:11:27 then perform the compression stage? Aug 12 15:11:34 right Aug 12 15:11:42 ok Aug 12 15:13:17 usually i just make a 750 MB version for PC then make a 770 version out of that Aug 12 15:13:29 700-730 actually Aug 12 15:16:19 ok Aug 12 15:16:34 i just did an ovc oac copy Aug 12 15:16:41 and now I'm going to try encoding Aug 12 15:16:44 thanks pupnik Aug 12 15:17:23 when you playback check mplayer output to verify that displayed=400x240, sampled=400x240 Aug 12 15:18:18 mplayer does very fast scaling if it has to, but it still costs CPU time Aug 12 15:18:25 ok Aug 12 15:20:32 doing a 2-pass encoding now ... 8 hours :/ Aug 12 15:20:54 WHAT? Aug 12 15:20:58 for how long a video? Aug 12 15:21:18 can you send me the line you just used? Aug 12 15:21:18 110 minutes Aug 12 15:21:41 msg cbx33 test Aug 12 15:21:41 that's acceptable Aug 12 15:26:12 could someone help? The menu I set with hildon_window_set_menu seems to work when the program is run standalone or when run from the application menu, but when I run the program from XTerminal the menu refuses to work with the error: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_menu_shell_insert: assertion failed `GTK_IS_MENU_SHELL (menu_shell)' failed Aug 12 16:07:09 how do you run standalone if not from the Xterminal? Aug 12 16:07:53 with run-standalone.sh my program works every time Aug 12 16:08:55 now it turned out that when I run with the xterminal, it starts successfully maybe 1 times in 10 Aug 12 16:09:06 probably a thread issue... Aug 12 16:09:12 oh well Aug 12 16:09:47 thanks i didn't know about run-standalone.sh Aug 12 16:09:54 i was always just running the executable Aug 12 16:14:45 i'm depressed... the quality of questions on ITT forums has gone seiously down hill since the cheap 770 sell off :( Aug 12 16:15:51 nothing but edjits trying to dual boot for no particular reason and without a clue how to partition a memory card... argh... Aug 12 16:18:01 can anyone else confirm that openttd does not run on 2007HE? Aug 12 16:18:42 http://openttd.toimii.net/maemo/ ? Aug 12 16:19:00 dunno about 2007HE though Aug 12 16:19:49 OS 2006 port here: http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/openttd.html Aug 12 16:20:47 OS 2007 version here (patches anwya): http://plaes.org/blog/2007/02/15/openttd-on-n800/ Aug 12 16:24:24 took awhile.. but i'll be getting my 2 n800s tomorrow... finally! Aug 12 16:24:50 why 2? Aug 12 16:25:35 milhouse: yes, that one Aug 12 16:25:42 oh Aug 12 16:25:46 didnt see patches for n800 Aug 12 16:25:55 to test skype video cam, etc.. Aug 12 16:26:00 there are plenty of users here anyway. Aug 12 16:26:03 :( Aug 12 16:26:05 no binary :( Aug 12 16:27:14 this might be an excuse to get a toolchain set up Aug 12 16:39:36 !@#*(#@%& Aug 12 16:39:39 apt-get is segfaulting Aug 12 16:39:43 after installing aircrack-ptw Aug 12 16:40:16 w t f Aug 12 16:41:59 and after uninstalling it everything is fine Aug 12 16:49:43 it's pegging it at 100Mb Aug 12 16:49:46 instead of 50Mb Aug 12 16:53:21 pupnik, I'm going to convert some training (xvidcap), do you know any particular optimizations for the 770? Aug 12 16:55:03 the first pass will show as twice as large as final pass - afaik Aug 12 16:55:15 saaib: not really - check out 770-encode.pl and don't exceed 400x240 Aug 12 17:01:17 tough decision to make... do i keep hacker edition, or do i move back to 2006... HE is better in a few ways, but 2006 has a much bigger community Aug 12 17:02:52 i think 2006, i can live without the few comforts in HE Aug 12 17:03:41 heh espeak is a fun alternative to flite Aug 12 17:04:21 the 'scottish' accent :P Aug 12 17:07:22 espeak -k20 -p 30 -s 70 -v en-scottish "This is a test of the espeak speech synthesis system. It is a happy fun ball of joy and understanding." Aug 12 17:17:41 :( Aug 12 17:17:58 did i mention that the telepathy docs are worse than non-existant? Aug 12 17:18:20 true :( Aug 12 17:19:23 Howdy. Aug 12 17:23:07 ok, back to 2006 Aug 12 17:28:49 i want a new package manager Aug 12 17:29:00 has anyone tried to port aptitude or synaptic or adept? Aug 12 17:29:54 probably Aug 12 17:30:39 heh, have they succeeded? Aug 12 17:32:06 i don't know Aug 12 17:32:56 pupnik: I rather like fr and hu Aug 12 17:33:04 * sp3000 doesn't have scottish for whatever reason Aug 12 17:33:26 oh yeah i have to try the monty python taunts with fr accent Aug 12 17:34:07 red pill mode == teh awesome Aug 12 17:35:38 haaaahahahaha Aug 12 17:36:30 methinks 'ssh' package shouldnt be described as a "replacement" on maemo... Aug 12 17:46:34 hey all Aug 12 17:46:47 _Monkey, dont say anything Aug 12 17:46:47 <_Monkey> Luria: huh? Aug 12 17:47:16 :0 Aug 12 17:47:28 whats the latest and greatest n800 abiword build? Aug 12 17:47:51 none - wait Aug 12 17:47:55 i forget what i had before the great friday reflash Aug 12 17:48:19 oh Aug 12 17:48:25 ITT forums has a thread for it Aug 12 17:48:36 yeah, i saw the thread Aug 12 17:48:52 but not much since may/june Aug 12 17:49:02 author was here yesterday - no new stuff Aug 12 17:49:09 and i could have sworn i had a fairly stable version Aug 12 17:49:16 oh well Aug 12 17:49:41 all i know of is the 770 version and its stable as long as i don't let screen go into powersave or click to the right of the text Aug 12 17:50:38 so i'm very happy with it Aug 12 17:51:12 grr. reflashing is a pain. is 3.2 -> 4 going to be a flash or package update? i know they are moving to a packaging method, but is that after 4.0? Aug 12 17:51:22 what version is that? Aug 12 17:52:17 Version: 2.4.6-0maemo0 Aug 12 17:52:35 Filename: pool/user/abiword_2.4.6-0maemo0_armel.deb Aug 12 17:56:31 thanks Aug 12 17:58:14 has anyone found a way to make this repository work with app manager or apt? http://maemo.o-hand.com/packages/ Aug 12 17:59:40 wow thanks for that link sparr Aug 12 18:00:02 its in the wiki like 3-4 times Aug 12 18:00:06 but its a "broken" repository Aug 12 18:00:09 its not laid out correctly Aug 12 18:00:17 so ive had to download stuff manually Aug 12 18:01:09 that has some stuff i haven't been able to build. \o/ Aug 12 18:02:57 what is the section info for that Aug 12 18:03:06 gregale main or gregale free non-free Aug 12 18:03:13 or gregale user or contrib or what Aug 12 18:04:40 i took a quick peek - whats so good there? Aug 12 18:04:52 i needed quilt Aug 12 18:04:57 ah Aug 12 18:05:16 ok i think i get it - that repo doesn't have a proper section Aug 12 18:06:30 or components Aug 12 18:07:58 ok maybe not - enter the stuff *exactly* as specified here Aug 12 18:08:03 http://maemo.o-hand.com/ Aug 12 18:08:23 [sbox-SB_Arm2: ~/0_Deps] > apt-get install quilt Aug 12 18:08:32 quilt: Depends: gawk but it is not installable Aug 12 18:08:34 feck Aug 12 18:10:35 pupnik: there is no info for it Aug 12 18:10:54 pupnik: you go ahead and enter that info. blank component = broken apt Aug 12 18:11:12 https://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories2006sources/ Aug 12 18:11:17 this should save time in the future :) Aug 12 18:11:57 i got it working now thx Aug 12 18:12:08 and got gawk too :) gawk_3.1.5.dfsg-4_armel.deb Aug 12 18:12:12 cool Aug 12 18:12:29 it just finished the two pass pupnik, I'm gonna go view it in a min Aug 12 18:12:36 how did you get it working? Aug 12 18:12:41 * sparr pleads Aug 12 18:13:35 deb http://maemo.o-hand.com/packages gregale/ Aug 12 18:13:43 apt broke unless i entered *exactly* that Aug 12 18:14:13 ok, thats freaky Aug 12 18:14:16 hehe Aug 12 18:14:17 thanks for the help though Aug 12 18:14:29 pupnik, thanks so much for the help earlier Aug 12 18:14:58 np. but don't take my word about xvid being better Aug 12 18:15:13 heheeh Aug 12 18:15:18 what's the alternative? Aug 12 18:15:18 <_Monkey> well, the alternative is to not actually send unrendered content Aug 12 18:15:20 mpeg4? Aug 12 18:15:20 <_Monkey> well, mpeg4 is the divx/xvid codec. if you want to play my xvid/divx avi files and the sort you will nees mpeg4 always Aug 12 18:15:42 shhhhh _Monkey Aug 12 18:16:05 cbx33: try mencoder -ovc help for a quick overview Aug 12 18:16:07 i feel kinda sorry editing the wiki Aug 12 18:16:12 like 5 people get emails every time i save a change Aug 12 18:16:47 somebody knows how to remove python2.3 reference in scratchbox environment to use python2.5? Aug 12 18:18:06 BladeRunner, oooooooooh Aug 12 18:18:13 i wanted to do exactly that the other day Aug 12 18:19:08 i've installed 2.5 but its not recognizing some libs Aug 12 18:20:50 if i simply uninstall 2.3 gets worse Aug 12 18:20:55 heheh Aug 12 18:21:25 pupnik, 2-pass is definitely worth it Aug 12 18:21:53 it's awesome Aug 12 18:22:00 cool. i have to wait til tomorrow to compare Aug 12 18:22:19 seriously 2-pass is almost perfect Aug 12 18:22:33 well - obviously not quite but...it is staggering the difference Aug 12 18:22:46 and a freaky small size too Aug 12 18:22:55 yeh 50Mb is awesome Aug 12 18:23:00 2 Mb a min Aug 12 18:23:05 I'm going to try 1Mb a min Aug 12 18:23:10 half the bit rate Aug 12 18:23:17 see what it looks like Aug 12 18:23:25 for a laff try mpeg2 at that bitrate Aug 12 18:23:27 it it's acceptab;e that'll be soooo cool Aug 12 18:23:34 will it be huge? Aug 12 18:23:39 no same size Aug 12 18:23:48 but worse quality? Aug 12 18:23:54 is that the comparison you tried in march? Aug 12 18:24:33 wtf Aug 12 18:24:36 ive got a repository Aug 12 18:24:39 apt-get update can see it Aug 12 18:24:42 my desktop can download from it Aug 12 18:24:51 mpeg2 is what we'd have to use if we didn't have ssvb's mplayer and the awesome codecs and settings Aug 12 18:24:51 but my 770 cant wget or apt-get install from it Aug 12 18:25:16 pupnik, hehe Aug 12 18:25:52 same line in sources.list sparr? Aug 12 18:26:50 never mind, problem solved itself Aug 12 18:26:55 wasnt an apt problem, wget couldnt get to it either Aug 12 18:29:16 pupnik, i can't believe how small that video is Aug 12 18:31:00 omg Aug 12 18:31:06 synaptic is on maemo.org repository Aug 12 18:31:15 and i never knew it because i didnt have the red pill mode enabled Aug 12 18:31:21 fuck you application manager! Aug 12 18:32:21 use apt from commandline for great justice Aug 12 18:33:01 hehe Aug 12 18:33:08 pupnik, dude you crack me up Aug 12 18:33:17 anybody have libfltk1.1-dev ? Aug 12 18:35:36 apt from command line is very weak at enumerating available packages in a useful format Aug 12 18:37:10 listing them? or showing other info Aug 12 18:37:23 * pupnik cries at fltk dependencies Aug 12 18:37:34 fltk on maemo? Aug 12 18:37:43 or just in general? Aug 12 18:38:20 i don't know how to tell dpkg-buildpackage to ignore optional dependencies Aug 12 18:38:36 i mean i can with -d Aug 12 18:38:47 but there must be a way to pass ./configure options to dpkg-buildpackage Aug 12 18:38:50 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs (>= 0.4.37) debhelper (>= 5) libxinerama-dev libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev htmldoc Aug 12 18:38:53 dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. Aug 12 18:39:11 hmmm Aug 12 18:39:19 edit the rules file Aug 12 18:39:30 in the debian folder Aug 12 18:40:00 ok Aug 12 18:40:07 cause the damn thing ./configure's just fine Aug 12 18:40:09 there should be a call to the configure script Aug 12 18:40:15 ah Aug 12 18:40:23 where you should be able to pass options Aug 12 18:40:47 cbx33: did you figure out how to remove the 2.3 references? Aug 12 18:40:55 DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS aha.... thanks cbx33 Aug 12 18:41:06 pupnik, no problem Aug 12 18:41:11 BladeRunner, no Aug 12 18:42:20 fuck and there is no thread talking about that Aug 12 18:42:27 BladeRunner, it is annoying Aug 12 18:42:33 and need to edit control also, i think -- Build-Depends Aug 12 18:42:37 what about just apt-get removing python Aug 12 18:42:44 pupnik, yup Aug 12 18:42:53 you can pull out the build-deps there Aug 12 18:42:57 cbx33: i've already did that and i had to reinstall scratchbox Aug 12 18:43:01 oh Aug 12 18:43:05 why? Aug 12 18:43:25 appears that the 2.5 uses some libs from the 2.3 Aug 12 18:43:46 didn't work at all Aug 12 18:43:59 hmm Aug 12 18:44:14 i suppose i could create a new target and mess it up Aug 12 18:44:33 i made a nice how to for creating an n800 SB environment Aug 12 18:44:37 so i don't really mind Aug 12 18:45:41 but you can run python in command line [python2.5 file.py] or you get error too? Aug 12 18:47:44 in my case works fine if i don1t use pygame Aug 12 18:50:45 you can do Aug 12 18:50:54 thanks cbx33 -- got fltk built :) Aug 12 18:50:55 but i got problems then running some other stuff Aug 12 18:50:58 like gstreamer Aug 12 18:51:01 np pupnik Aug 12 18:51:05 so glad i could help you in return Aug 12 18:53:36 ahhhh i see Aug 12 18:53:55 BladeRunner, how did you remove python 2.3? Aug 12 18:54:00 it would take me weeks to rebuild my sb environment with all the extra dev libraries Aug 12 18:55:45 woot synaptic Aug 12 18:56:07 ONLY problem... synaptic is gonna force me to install gpg keys for the repositories Aug 12 18:56:43 hello, I'm building a small webapp to run on the 770 (shows latest photos from flickr contacts). Have a problem though: how do I get the 770 display to never dim or blank when powered? anything I can tell the kernel? Aug 12 18:57:34 acmonitor? Aug 12 18:57:34 <_Monkey> acmonitor is N800 version at http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb and N770 version at http://pupnik.de/acmonitor.html Aug 12 18:57:51 even, install acmonitor, then activate extended screen dimming timeouts Aug 12 18:58:37 excellent! thank you very much! Aug 12 18:58:41 see this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704 Aug 12 18:59:52 I somehow managed to hit all the wrong keywords for it. Aug 12 19:00:28 acmonitor isn't really needed if you are willing to change timeouts manually Aug 12 19:00:48 manually as in? Aug 12 19:00:50 cbx33: with apt-get remove Aug 12 19:00:50 it switches your screen profile based on power status Aug 12 19:01:02 clicking on display and then settings then select your timeout Aug 12 19:01:44 I think I checked the shortest timeout is mere minutes. I need to set it to 'never'. Aug 12 19:03:02 hi, just a brief comment about http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ : you can help telling which are the usual questions in #maemo that could be answered in the wiki and etc Aug 12 19:03:13 any feedback about the wiki itself is also appreciated Aug 12 19:04:34 pupnik: anyway, thank you! Aug 12 19:05:34 not sure about never. maybe 10 hours is possible with 36000 seconds Aug 12 19:06:34 qgil yeah more people should use wiki for their maemo notes Aug 12 19:07:02 for e.g about 40 threads in ITT should be on there Aug 12 19:07:17 pupnik: I guess it's about starting the routine and having a more friendly ground to add more recipes Aug 12 19:07:20 pupnik: the thread you linked to mentions "There is, you can write a daemon or program that sends 'pings' to keep the screen alive.", but is kind of short on the details. Aug 12 19:07:40 BladeRunner, problem is python is included in the scratchbox-core package Aug 12 19:07:59 even: you saw the gconf settings - those allow you to add longer timeouts Aug 12 19:08:07 I'll try to create quick pages and edits whenever I see a good tip in the mailing lists, I hope others will find worth following Aug 12 19:08:58 pupnik: Sure, and if the second counter is 16 bit it should really be ample. Aug 12 19:09:10 qgil: i think if the wiki gets any more popular the admins are going to have to turn off global update notification... i feel sad for them when i edit things 10+ times Aug 12 19:09:32 can people here comment on the wiki main page https://maemo.org/community/wiki/ ? Do you think it's a good start? Something missing or...? Aug 12 19:10:25 qgil: how stuck are you on midgard wiki? its markup system is... deficient Aug 12 19:10:30 * cbx33 has already written 2 blog posts about stuff Aug 12 19:10:36 i guess i could put them onto the wiki Aug 12 19:10:42 sparr I think I have filed a bug report about not having checkbox for "trivial changes". However, if someone subscribes to global changes you kind of know what to expect. I get all these notifications :) Aug 12 19:11:01 cbx33: it has two locations /scratchbox/.../bladerunner/scratchbox/tools/bin ... /scratchbox/tools/bin Aug 12 19:11:13 outside of your environment, do Aug 12 19:11:21 cbx33: really appreciated if you do Aug 12 19:11:30 dpkg -S /scratchbox/tools/bin/python Aug 12 19:11:39 i added a page for os 2006 /etc/apt/sources.list, to make setting up all the repositories a little easier Aug 12 19:11:47 qgil, i guess the reason why i havn't is because people like to do things differently Aug 12 19:11:52 and plus I'm no expert Aug 12 19:12:27 cbx33: this is why a wiki is great for this: other people and add their own way to do things and can also improve whatever you left Aug 12 19:13:13 is ApplicationRepositories necessary there? presumably maemo.org/downloads and .install magic should cover that Aug 12 19:13:44 true Aug 12 19:14:14 but it doesn't Aug 12 19:14:39 the problem is you get people thinking they have to configure repositories in the mainstream case Aug 12 19:14:59 (for some arbitrary definition of mainstream, *cough*) Aug 12 19:15:14 have you looked at the installable packages from a freshly flashed image? Aug 12 19:15:28 why? Aug 12 19:15:29 sp3000: NO Aug 12 19:15:29 it's like... NOTHING Aug 12 19:15:44 pupnik, if the source was 720x480 Aug 12 19:15:44 sp3000: most people dont make .installs, and the application catalog is slow. Aug 12 19:15:47 what would I crop to? Aug 12 19:16:12 divide 720 by 1.66667 Aug 12 19:16:17 thanky Aug 12 19:16:29 430 Aug 12 19:16:33 hmmm Aug 12 19:17:33 a 'normal user' who gets the 770 and then clicks on 'install new applications' will think "this sucks! no software available for it!" Aug 12 19:17:43 yup Aug 12 19:17:44 sparr: I'm saying a list of stuff that doesn't say what's found in each repo anyway is not front page material Aug 12 19:17:44 i agree Aug 12 19:18:11 sp3000: i disagree Aug 12 19:18:38 it's good to list the main attractions of each repo Aug 12 19:18:41 sp3000: imho, the sources.list and red pill instructions are front page material. the difference with and without them are night and day Aug 12 19:18:42 you seriously think the applicationrepositories page is a useful software discovery mechanism? Aug 12 19:18:48 hell yes Aug 12 19:18:49 pupnik, ++ Aug 12 19:18:54 where else do you get repository info? Aug 12 19:19:15 Hello Aug 12 19:19:19 tbh, it would be nice to create these pages almost automatically Aug 12 19:19:21 my first visit to maemo.org i used the application catalog and added repositories as they were described on a per-application basis... the applicationrepositories page was a godsend Aug 12 19:19:31 why, /downloads :) and the various upstreams (which may use the applicationrepositories listing to link to) Aug 12 19:19:49 wow pupnik just doing another video, same length, first pass is 180Mb Aug 12 19:19:54 How do i join a chat on irc with pidgin Aug 12 19:19:56 but I don't see how linking to applicationrepositories as a whole list is useful Aug 12 19:20:06 Like maemo Aug 12 19:20:23 linking to it as a crutch for not having an .install from a site offering some software does make sense Aug 12 19:20:35 not "a site" Aug 12 19:20:37 EVERY site Aug 12 19:20:41 there are hundreds of apps with no .install Aug 12 19:20:48 sure, Aug 12 19:21:07 right now, applicationrepositories is the single best way to get a 770 into usable condition Aug 12 19:21:09 but I don't see the case for linking from front page Aug 12 19:21:18 Anyone use pidgin ? Aug 12 19:21:23 i don't Artemisprime sorry Aug 12 19:21:24 its the most important page on the wiki. maybe second, after one of the gainingroot pages Aug 12 19:21:30 "here's stuff. add at random until you find something or get tired." Aug 12 19:21:36 Anyone use pidgin ? Aug 12 19:21:46 not add at random Aug 12 19:21:48 add ALL Aug 12 19:21:51 hence my sources.list page Aug 12 19:21:54 Artemisprime, not on the maemo Aug 12 19:21:59 Sparr do u know ? Aug 12 19:22:08 https://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories2006sources/ Aug 12 19:22:10 Fuck Aug 12 19:22:16 sparr, that's possibly useful, unlike the idea of manually adding all Aug 12 19:22:23 i wish there was a one-click solution to installing THAT Aug 12 19:22:34 K Aug 12 19:22:40 sparr, to what? Aug 12 19:22:41 so what's the deal? what is the latest OS I can put on my 770? or can/should I apt-get dist-upgrade instead? Aug 12 19:22:41 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, mmlj4. Aug 12 19:22:44 installing a list of repos? Aug 12 19:22:52 cbx33: installing that list, the full list. Aug 12 19:23:04 sparr, creating an apt package isn't hard Aug 12 19:23:05 mmlj4: 2006 2.2 aka 3.2006-49.2(?) Aug 12 19:23:23 why don't you just download the pacakge in one of the repos which does that already and hack it up Aug 12 19:23:24 cbx33: im relatively sure debian policy says packages arent allowed to touch sources.list Aug 12 19:23:32 I m Aug 12 19:23:42 is this just for you or for anyone? Aug 12 19:23:51 what about apt-get upgrading? or is that "apt-get brick"? Aug 12 19:23:54 for everyone Aug 12 19:23:58 sparr, hang on Aug 12 19:24:01 sparr, there's sources.list.d Aug 12 19:24:04 I am using erstazi 's sources.list Aug 12 19:24:07 sp3000: yes Aug 12 19:24:16 It is possible Aug 12 19:24:18 Artemisprime: its probably nearly identical to the one i put on the wiki Aug 12 19:24:32 erstazi: check your sources.list against https://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories2006sources/ and update the wiki if you want, please. Aug 12 19:24:34 Polly Aug 12 19:25:05 sparr, http://stage.maemo.org/~ferenc/bora_sdk.install Aug 12 19:25:28 Used outty to paste it on maemo Aug 12 19:25:34 Putty Aug 12 19:25:42 I mean Aug 12 19:25:44 anyone know if the .install file can contain more than one stanza? Aug 12 19:25:53 cbx33: that is the question at hand :) Aug 12 19:26:03 sparr, well Aug 12 19:26:07 better yet, can a .install file trigger red pill mode? Aug 12 19:26:08 looking at it assumes so Aug 12 19:26:11 I dunno Aug 12 19:26:19 probably Aug 12 19:26:32 red pill mode is presumably just the editing of a file Aug 12 19:26:41 the front page of the wiki, or a first-level page under it, should include one or more .install files to "fix" a default install of each OS Aug 12 19:26:42 a confif file i presume Aug 12 19:26:52 "fix" ? Aug 12 19:27:07 update sources.list, enable red pill mode, turn on root access Aug 12 19:27:07 by _fix_ you really mean _enhance_ Aug 12 19:27:16 all the things that im relatively sure everyone in this channel does every time we flash Aug 12 19:27:30 well, except red pill mode, im guessing most people just use console apt-get instead Aug 12 19:27:35 cbx33: give root to world and dog :P Aug 12 19:27:56 when i try to resolve a name inside sb it fails. somebody knows what could be? Aug 12 19:28:13 Sb ? Aug 12 19:28:20 resolv.conf still points to: nameserver 192.168.1.1 Aug 12 19:28:22 scratchbox Aug 12 19:28:22 <_Monkey> i heard scratchbox was like the glue that ties it all together Aug 12 19:28:36 Oh Aug 12 19:28:37 every time i flash i waste 10 minutes installing ssh, updating sources.list, etc Aug 12 19:28:51 BladeRunner: something like http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html Aug 12 19:28:54 when i was a newb (all of a week ago) that took much longer because i had to figure it all out Aug 12 19:29:14 BladeRunner, check out this Aug 12 19:29:32 http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 Aug 12 19:29:48 yes that was another problem ive solved that for apt-get Aug 12 19:30:02 the nsswitch copied the ubuntu file Aug 12 19:30:17 but know the apt-get works and the resolv conf dont Aug 12 19:30:26 when i try to ping Aug 12 19:30:57 http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/xterm-screenshot-1.png Aug 12 19:31:00 ooooooh Aug 12 19:31:16 pupnik: ^^ Aug 12 19:31:18 shouldn't resolv.conf contain "nameserver 127.0.0.1"? Aug 12 19:31:25 BladeRunner, which nsswitch did you edit Aug 12 19:31:55 /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Aug 12 19:32:09 the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch Aug 12 19:32:10 <`0660> that's cool! Aug 12 19:32:12 yes Aug 12 19:32:21 the other too Aug 12 19:34:12 hmmm Aug 12 19:34:20 well check that howto see if you've missed anything Aug 12 19:34:30 sparr, looking at the .install docs Aug 12 19:34:41 seems like we'd have to have a separate file for each repo Aug 12 19:34:48 which actually wou;dn't be such a bad idea Aug 12 19:34:52 and would only take a few clicks Aug 12 19:36:25 I would like to ask if there are some nice tutorials about setting up the compile environment for nokia 770 Aug 12 19:36:41 there is only one at maemo.org Aug 12 19:36:55 apple2, i've done one for the n800 Aug 12 19:37:08 apple2: depends on your definition of "nice" :) Aug 12 19:37:09 but not 770, though I've heard it's quite similar Aug 12 19:37:40 it should be similar Aug 12 19:37:53 but I'm a kind of newb Aug 12 19:37:54 well http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 Aug 12 19:38:00 that's my n800 one Aug 12 19:38:05 thank u Aug 12 19:38:18 i'm sure some of the information in ther eis useful Aug 12 19:38:43 tbh i found some of the maemo.org information rather fragmentated Aug 12 19:38:48 fragmented Aug 12 19:38:49 ;) Aug 12 19:38:58 yes me too Aug 12 19:39:10 took me several days to do my first n800 env Aug 12 19:39:17 apple2 scratchbox + maemo 2.2 + gregale are keywords. Aug 12 19:39:27 thanks Aug 12 19:39:50 apple2, what OS is your PC running Aug 12 19:39:52 cbx33: thanks i forgot to change after reinstall the sbox Aug 12 19:39:59 it was the resolv.conf Aug 12 19:40:00 ubuntu 7.04 Aug 12 19:40:01 np BladeRunner Aug 12 19:40:27 apple2: that's a good one - lots of support for that - you can find lots of help for installing scratchbox on it - use the .debs for ubuntu Aug 12 19:41:00 wow Aug 12 19:41:07 second pass on this vid is taking 40 mins Aug 12 19:41:16 and this is a dual core 4200 Aug 12 19:41:16 hehe Aug 12 19:41:54 pupnik I supposed so but its the 64bit version so I installed 32bit version in vmware Aug 12 19:42:34 * cbx33 doesn't touch the 64bit version Aug 12 19:42:55 cbx33 - my encode ... 5.12fps Trem: 416min 202mb Aug 12 19:43:10 hehe Aug 12 19:43:13 5.12 fps| Aug 12 19:43:32 14.94fps :) Aug 12 19:44:16 ouch this file just keeps getting bigger Aug 12 19:45:47 not bad but considering this p3 is about 7 years old, you can really see how desktop performance increases have slowed down in the past few years Aug 12 19:47:06 if cpus had gotten 2x as fast every year you'd have 640 fps Aug 12 19:53:38 well, it's supposed to be that the number of transistors doubles every 18 months, but that doesn't translate directly to speed... Aug 12 19:56:49 ok 2 pass does rule cbx33 ... it's better than i would have thought possible Aug 12 19:57:01 I KNOW Aug 12 19:57:04 i can't believe it Aug 12 19:57:09 gonna be blogging about this one Aug 12 19:57:11 ;) Aug 12 19:57:16 this is crazy good for 236kb/s Aug 12 19:57:19 I know Aug 12 19:57:20 hehehe Aug 12 19:57:27 it's almost too good to be true Aug 12 19:57:31 ls -la to be sure Aug 12 19:57:33 blink twice Aug 12 19:57:57 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke Aug 12 19:57:58 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, pupnik. Aug 12 19:58:10 hah Aug 12 19:58:42 Now i have to re-encode a bunch of stuff Aug 12 19:59:04 i want a wiki page dedicated to removing stuff from the default 770 image in order to free up space. anyone else think that would be useful? Aug 12 19:59:57 i do. Aug 12 20:00:06 #$(&@#$(^&!@#$)%^#@* Aug 12 20:00:08 fuck you nokia Aug 12 20:00:09 it'd be a short one but it would help people find it Aug 12 20:00:21 osso-everythingimportant "depends" on the damn default 4 themes Aug 12 20:00:44 careful with those Aug 12 20:01:55 elaborate? Aug 12 20:02:34 i messed up my 770 by deleting theme directories i thought i didn't need Aug 12 20:03:42 it was all zen-like. pure white Aug 12 20:04:37 sparr: every time you feel like writing "fuck you nokia" you probably want to file a bug instead Aug 12 20:05:04 qgil: oh, i do :) Aug 12 20:05:19 pupnik: yeah, dont delete things. always TRY to play nice with the package manager Aug 12 20:06:09 sparr can you give an example of an osso- package that depends on the thtme2 or 3? Aug 12 20:06:15 *theme Aug 12 20:06:23 pupnik: apt-get remove osso-theme-theme2 Aug 12 20:06:27 youll see the huge tree of parents Aug 12 20:06:31 anyone got infor here baout creating themes? Aug 12 20:06:56 cbx33: not hard info, but its not hard... "dpkg -L osso-theme-theme2", make your own theme match what that package provides Aug 12 20:07:15 but with theme[somethingotherthan2] as the names :) Aug 12 20:07:33 afk Aug 12 20:07:44 cbx33: there's a theme-maker utility on garage.maemo.org Aug 12 20:07:54 pupnik, cool Aug 12 20:08:10 yo maemo Aug 12 20:09:36 sparr i think qgil is right - the dependencies could be fixed Aug 12 20:11:14 sparr send me the bug report once you have it - I'm also interested to see if things can be improved in this issue Aug 12 20:12:41 * cbx33 wants to fix the bug 1204 Aug 12 20:12:42 <_Monkey> Bug 1204 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 Aug 12 20:12:50 but i think i have a card which is working better Aug 12 20:12:53 fingers crossed Aug 12 20:12:56 sparr it will be useful that you explain in the bug report what are you trying to do and what the dependencies are an obstacle - I would like to think you are hitting a use case that wasn't contemplated when these dependencies were defined Aug 12 20:13:20 oh btw someone told me to install the new kernel, and wanted to know if it fixed the issue Aug 12 20:13:21 it didn't Aug 12 20:14:08 I kind of want to know what users expected when the N800 is writing to the card when the battery loses power. Aug 12 20:19:24 the problem... Aug 12 20:19:24 <_Monkey> the problem is that KDrive doesnt use configuration files, but parameters Aug 12 20:19:33 desktop-backgrounds provides the BG images Aug 12 20:19:36 and depends on all 4 themes Aug 12 20:19:46 imho, the bg images should be in each theme Aug 12 20:19:49 one each Aug 12 20:20:31 ok, thats A problem Aug 12 20:20:33 not the biggest one Aug 12 20:20:34 bigger... Aug 12 20:21:05 ke-recv (absolutely required package) depends on maemo-af-desktop (important package) depends on desktop-backgrounds (wtf?) Aug 12 20:26:16 _Monkey: forget the problem Aug 12 20:26:16 <_Monkey> sparr: I forgot problem Aug 12 20:27:41 the problem Aug 12 20:27:42 <_Monkey> it has been said that the problem is that it's fundamentally flawed Aug 12 20:27:44 the problem? Aug 12 20:27:44 <_Monkey> somebody said the problem was that it's fundamentally flawed Aug 12 20:27:47 _Monkey: forget the problem Aug 12 20:27:47 <_Monkey> sparr, I didn't have anything matching problem Aug 12 20:28:00 _Monkey: forget the\ problem Aug 12 20:28:01 <_Monkey> sparr, I didn't have anything matching the\ problem Aug 12 20:28:29 pupnik, i'm trying now with bitrate halved Aug 12 20:28:30 hmm Aug 12 20:28:34 my infobot-fu has failed me Aug 12 20:29:03 heh Aug 12 20:30:31 cbx33: at 64kb/s the audio also takes up a big chunk - see if 48 kb/s still sounds ok Aug 12 20:30:51 hmm Aug 12 20:30:54 lemme try it Aug 12 20:31:23 ok lemme try it Aug 12 20:31:31 i just cancelled my encode to try it Aug 12 20:33:21 ok reencoding Aug 12 20:33:51 sparr - looks like a bug in _monkey... he refuses to forget "the problem" :) Aug 12 20:35:42 I wish it would forget what server we were on. Aug 12 20:36:42 Is there any way to change the MAC ID of the wifi card on the Nokia 770? Aug 12 20:37:11 Why would you want to? Aug 12 20:37:19 Long story... Aug 12 20:37:33 zerojay... we like _monkey - don't we? :) Aug 12 20:37:42 paulikas - use ifconfig Aug 12 20:37:46 chage MAC? Aug 12 20:37:54 awww.. Monkey can't help :-( Aug 12 20:37:59 He's a... regular barrel of... well, monkeys. :/ Aug 12 20:38:16 oh.... Aug 12 20:38:19 right. Aug 12 20:38:33 here you go: http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=linux+change+mac+address&btnG=Google+Search Aug 12 20:38:50 Ah. So that would work? Aug 12 20:38:54 should do Aug 12 20:39:17 Is the change permanent or until reboot? Aug 12 20:39:22 temp Aug 12 20:39:32 gotcha. Aug 12 20:40:26 you'd need to add a startup script to change the mac address before the device hits run level 3, i think Aug 12 20:41:29 okay... Aug 12 20:42:21 possibly earlier than that in fact - the wlan seems to start in /etc/rc.2/S30wlancond Aug 12 20:42:33 so you'd want the mac changed before that process is started Aug 12 20:42:35 Will it change even though it's not up? Aug 12 20:42:47 should do Aug 12 20:42:49 Most people on those sites say to use ifdown and then ifup Aug 12 20:42:57 The interface is wifi0, right? Aug 12 20:42:59 dunno, try that Aug 12 20:43:12 wlan0 here Aug 12 20:43:13 on n800 Aug 12 20:43:14 <_Monkey> somebody said on n800 was there a way to chance between intern and extern sd card, pluging the n800 with usb to the pc? Aug 12 20:43:33 forget on n800 Aug 12 20:43:33 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot on n800 Aug 12 20:43:38 "unknown interface..." Aug 12 20:43:41 grumble grumble Aug 12 20:47:43 It always says unknwon interface Aug 12 20:47:45 damn Aug 12 20:49:33 ok Aug 12 20:49:37 ive got my own apt repository now :) Aug 12 20:50:11 sparr, cool Aug 12 20:52:06 pauliukas - n800 or 770? wlan0 works for me on n800 (provided there is no current network connection) but then I fail to re-authenticate when establishing a connection with the new mac address (and no i'm not using a mac filter) Aug 12 20:53:25 ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 00:19:4F:9E:9C:XX Aug 12 20:53:30 who wants to be a guinea pig? :) need someone with a 770 Aug 12 20:55:48 odd... my n800 just won't authenticate when using a bogus wlan0 MAC address... I've changed the last digit up by one and it fails to connect to my router using WPA/PSK-TKIP, then I changed it down by one (ie. back to it's original MAC) and it connects just fine. Aug 12 20:55:57 can't explain that - I don't use any MAC filtering Aug 12 20:56:39 in dmesg when it attempts to initiate the wifi connection it lists the original MAC address even when it's changed to something else so i wonder if there's a software conflict going on. Aug 12 21:01:49 come on... Aug 12 21:01:55 95% chance this wont brick your 770 :) Aug 12 21:05:13 * sparr pokes pupnik Aug 12 21:09:23 :( Aug 12 21:09:27 no guinea pigs makes baby jesus cry Aug 12 21:11:46 would it help if i tell you that removing the 3 non-default themes from a stock 770 frees up 6.4MB of real storage space? Aug 12 21:15:04 i think the other day you said the 770 has 64MB of flash... it's 128MB flash (64MB RAM) Aug 12 21:15:38 yeah, my bad Aug 12 21:15:57 was recalling advertising that said the 128MB flash is approx 64MB OS and 64MB user storage Aug 12 21:16:03 im trying to shrink that first 64MB :) Aug 12 21:16:05 i'd be surprised if you run out of 128MB... not saying it's impossible, but you'd have to install loads of stuff Aug 12 21:16:11 not really Aug 12 21:16:17 gnumeric alone is 10MB+ Aug 12 21:17:35 lots of 5-15MB apps Aug 12 21:17:42 can fill up 128 real damn fast Aug 12 21:18:03 i guess... suppose i never used any of those apps as i never came close to filling my old 770 :) Aug 12 21:18:44 i did it but only by installing a lot of junk i didn't really use Aug 12 21:18:56 gcc is 30MB+ :) Aug 12 21:18:59 well, gcc with g++ Aug 12 21:19:22 your first instinct is to dump as much as you can on it Aug 12 21:20:05 it will pass, sparr :) Aug 12 21:20:11 oh, no, im being very careful Aug 12 21:20:15 i dont have even gnumeric installed Aug 12 21:20:38 ive actually got 46MB free Aug 12 21:20:55 pretty close to the stock free space, i think? Aug 12 21:21:05 which is to say, ive eliminated as much default stuff as extra stuff ive installed Aug 12 21:21:12 but... now that youre awake Aug 12 21:21:19 do you have a 770 running 2006? Aug 12 21:21:21 2.2 Aug 12 21:22:21 yes... Aug 12 21:22:42 there's a bunch of crap you can remove from the vim package if you install that Aug 12 21:23:36 i also symlinked theme3 to theme2 :P Aug 12 21:23:36 Do you trust me? :) Aug 12 21:23:55 only if it's quick... Aug 12 21:23:57 pupnik: ive got packages to remove theme1, theme2, and theme3. saves over 6MB of real space Aug 12 21:24:13 oh nice Aug 12 21:24:39 milhouse: do you want to get rid of one of the 4 default themes? Aug 12 21:24:49 not particularly :) Aug 12 21:24:51 ok Aug 12 21:25:04 can you explain what you did with packages? Aug 12 21:25:42 yes Aug 12 21:25:46 s/can/would you please :) Aug 12 21:25:58 i used the "equivs" debian package program to build an empty package Aug 12 21:26:07 named osso-theme-theme1 (and 2 and 3) Aug 12 21:26:08 ahhh Aug 12 21:26:17 which replaces and conflicts osso-theme-theme1-config Aug 12 21:26:39 and is a revision of the version number of the stock osso-theme-theme1 Aug 12 21:26:51 then i had to put it in a repository, and apt-get install'd it Aug 12 21:27:02 so when i install MY osso-theme-theme1 Aug 12 21:27:20 a simple dpkg -i wouldn't suffice? Aug 12 21:27:24 it removes the files from the stock osso-theme-theme1, and removes all of osso-theme-theme1-config, without messing with packages that depend on osso-theme-theme1 Aug 12 21:27:29 no, dpkg -i wont remove the -config package Aug 12 21:27:32 ok Aug 12 21:27:51 very cool Aug 12 21:30:19 would it be possible for the theme to reject install if one of them were in-use? Aug 12 21:30:37 possibly as part of an install script? (to make them 'safe') Aug 12 21:30:38 pupnik, audio is VERY badly out of sync Aug 12 21:31:03 any ideas? Aug 12 21:31:19 we're talking seconds out, in the case of the 118k/44k Aug 12 21:31:21 yes it might be the 48kb/s abr. try 32 Aug 12 21:31:29 otherwise you might need to use cbr audio Aug 12 21:31:37 yeh Aug 12 21:31:41 damn Aug 12 21:31:41 44? Aug 12 21:31:48 no 48 Aug 12 21:32:01 well even the 64 we had earlier is out Aug 12 21:32:12 do i just replace br with cbr ? Aug 12 21:32:15 i haven't had sync problems with the 32 Aug 12 21:32:21 oh really? Aug 12 21:32:26 64 was out by a fair amount Aug 12 21:32:44 no it's in the vbr= option Aug 12 21:33:17 oh i was using 48 Aug 12 21:33:27 waaaay out Aug 12 21:33:41 mp3lame vbr Aug 12 21:34:04 i'll check my other encode - i've had that problem before and was using cbr, but i thought new mplayer fixed it Aug 12 21:34:12 hmm Aug 12 21:34:48 quote for a mailing list post "The problem went away by switching to cbr, but in the end I just used Aug 12 21:34:48 -mc 0 -noskip so I could do vbr" Aug 12 21:35:00 but that was 4 years ago Aug 12 21:36:29 pupnik: in theory, thats possible... but it would require actual packaging-fu, of which i have virtually none. my packages are *EMPTY* Aug 12 21:38:31 ok then i won't recommend these for noobish folk Aug 12 21:38:38 aye Aug 12 21:38:46 which is why im not posting my repository here :) Aug 12 21:50:22 http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/xterm-screenshot-1.png Aug 12 21:50:23 very very neat Aug 12 21:51:00 i want something like that as a hildon input method Aug 12 22:05:49 cbx33: no audio sync problems here at 64kb/s abr Aug 12 22:07:03 ok... /usr/share/backgrounds/hildon_home_bg_user.png is a 750MB png version of /usr/share/themes/default/images/qgn_plat_home_background.jpg Aug 12 22:07:06 damn it Aug 12 22:07:08 can anyone tellm me what the png is for? Aug 12 22:07:32 well I'm using cbr now to see what happens then Aug 12 22:07:43 and /usr/share/backgrounds/bg_img_01.jpg is a symlink to /usr/share/themes/default/images/qgn_plat_home_background.jpg Aug 12 22:07:54 err, 750kB :) Aug 12 22:08:02 (major typo) Aug 12 22:08:07 hey folks Aug 12 22:08:09 but still, why is that png there? Aug 12 22:08:13 anyone using SDL_mixer? Aug 12 22:17:57 pupnik, i can't understand why i had such bad sync problems Aug 12 22:25:55 NeoStrider a number of ports use it Aug 12 22:26:03 pupnik: smw uses pure SDL? Aug 12 22:26:24 I just tested angstron with music on the 770 Aug 12 22:26:28 surprise...no sound Aug 12 22:29:37 just found my mistake Aug 12 22:30:09 my PlayMusic function takes a string for the filename...but inside it, it plays hardcoded , a ogg file Aug 12 22:30:16 ogg files doesnt work with vanilla 770 Aug 12 22:32:00 i cat'd a binary file, now my terminal is garbled. how can i fix that? Aug 12 22:32:46 hmm the powervr guys were running q3a on an omap2420 at 30+fps Aug 12 22:32:54 sparr "reset" Aug 12 22:33:02 thanks Aug 12 22:33:15 at what resolution? probably 320x240 Aug 12 22:33:34 1024x768 according to this report Aug 12 22:33:44 i am doubtful without a gpu Aug 12 22:33:48 very very doubtful Aug 12 22:34:24 omap2420 has a powerVR gpu Aug 12 22:34:51 ahh Aug 12 22:34:55 interesting Aug 12 22:34:58 it was on a development board, not a n800 but same core anyway Aug 12 22:35:35 powervr MBX i think is the chip Aug 12 22:35:58 then OMAP 3430 has powervr SGX - with shader support - pics here http://www.mitrax.de/?cont=news Aug 12 22:36:03 (mixed german/english) Aug 12 22:37:31 cya guys Aug 12 22:49:39 cant wait for work on monday Aug 12 22:49:43 or tuesday Aug 12 22:49:53 gonna take one of our virgin 770s and apply all my space-saving-fu to it Aug 12 22:50:30 i think ive cut 20MB of real space off the default 770 image Aug 12 22:51:30 cool Aug 12 22:52:31 did you purge locales? Aug 12 22:53:39 this could be a subject for a hackerish wiki/blog Aug 12 22:53:57 indeedily Aug 12 23:00:31 not yet Aug 12 23:00:33 on this install Aug 12 23:00:37 i did it last flash :) Aug 12 23:00:45 PITA to get localepurge working Aug 12 23:00:48 because of dependency hell Aug 12 23:02:06 good point, re blog Aug 12 23:02:57 * cbx33 loves blogging about useful stuff Aug 12 23:03:02 and not so useful stuff Aug 12 23:03:03 blogging is so decentralized Aug 12 23:03:09 id rather have a decent wiki to put it in Aug 12 23:03:19 but imho the maemo.org wiki is deficient, both in content and in implementation Aug 12 23:03:27 the itT wiki is better, barely Aug 12 23:03:35 sparr, i know what you mean Aug 12 23:03:44 but blogs can be aggregated Aug 12 23:04:00 you wouldn't want an rss of changes to a wiki Aug 12 23:04:03 it changes too often Aug 12 23:08:21 localepurge freed up about 1.5MB real space Aug 12 23:08:41 for lack of a wiki, i might blog my changes Aug 12 23:08:49 next time i flash, ill give it a go Aug 12 23:09:00 from the start, step by step, each thing i do Aug 12 23:09:07 how much space it costs/saves Aug 12 23:09:08 sparr, awesome Aug 12 23:09:25 guess localepurge isnt that much of a PITA now that i know how to fix it :) Aug 12 23:09:30 total it all up Aug 12 23:09:34 <5 minutes to copy the files, make the changes, run it Aug 12 23:09:53 sparr, why all the space saving? Aug 12 23:10:04 so i have more room to install stuff Aug 12 23:10:06 and/or save stuff Aug 12 23:10:12 mostly install Aug 12 23:10:13 i wish we had temporal dithering to help these gradients on mplayer playback Aug 12 23:10:14 you don't use cards to save stuff? Aug 12 23:10:25 not yet Aug 12 23:10:26 pupnik, you crack me up Aug 12 23:10:43 temporal dithering Aug 12 23:10:53 pupnik: hard to do... temporal dithering without cutting framerate in half is a non-trivial math problem Aug 12 23:11:08 pupnik: and cutting framerate in half when we are already at low framerate or low resolution... bad Aug 12 23:11:14 i know Aug 12 23:11:47 yup Aug 12 23:12:00 playback quality is soo good, the only thing that bothers me is the rings on the gradients Aug 12 23:12:16 hhehe Aug 12 23:12:16 some guys implemented greyscale playback on monochrome lcds with that dithering Aug 12 23:14:23 it's not that hard in principle - it's like floyd-steinberg dithering in space - you just accumulate errors Aug 12 23:15:31 except the pixels are also changing as you dither Aug 12 23:15:56 "the" implementation of temporal dithering assumes the pixel in question stays the same color for the duration of the dither Aug 12 23:16:31 ok true Aug 12 23:16:48 but the only time when it's visible is when the colors aren't changing fast Aug 12 23:17:45 btw 6-bit lcd monitors do it in hardware Aug 12 23:21:43 i am doubtful Aug 12 23:21:55 since they only get 6 bits of data, what is there to dither? Aug 12 23:22:05 maybe you mean a 8bit->6bit lcd controller? Aug 12 23:22:27 no i was thinking of lcd monitors Aug 12 23:23:08 ips and s-ips use true 8-bit per rgb - tn displays use 6 bits Aug 12 23:23:26 dont think ive ever seen a 6 bit standalone monitor Aug 12 23:23:47 i think you have :) Aug 12 23:23:57 i know ive used one in a macbook Aug 12 23:24:05 back on topic though... Aug 12 23:24:09 i removed the 750kB png Aug 12 23:24:12 and nothing seems to have broken Aug 12 23:26:22 yeah same Aug 12 23:27:25 right Aug 12 23:27:28 off to bed Aug 12 23:27:30 nn guys Aug 12 23:51:29 sparr: the mplayer gurus have the solution! adding -vf noise=6t to mplayer playback solved it! and the 770 has (almost) enough cpu to add the noise without framedrop! Aug 12 23:51:37 just an occasional drop Aug 12 23:52:22 awesome Aug 13 01:07:01 http://sparrsstuff.com/ Aug 13 01:07:19 im going to split the convention blog and the maemo blog once i have a few posts made for each Aug 13 01:07:28 good excuse to finally beat my drupal into shape :) Aug 13 01:07:35 but, for starters, how does that first story look? Aug 13 01:08:03 the storage and package fields are going to be searchable and sortable (and summable, for storage saved) eventually Aug 13 01:33:34 you are all way too quiet Aug 13 01:42:37 its short Aug 13 01:42:59 and to the point Aug 13 01:50:33 I'm freaking out. my tablet has just started acting crazy slow all the time. Aug 13 01:51:40 It's taking like half a minute to get my first dbus "on batter" message in Kagu. Aug 13 01:51:45 I have *NO IDEA* why. Aug 13 01:52:10 tried older versions of kagu, same thing. it's something with the OS or the hardware. Aug 13 01:55:47 let me check Aug 13 01:55:53 i just reinstalled kagu Aug 13 01:56:02 after reflashing.. Aug 13 01:57:25 are you using the new skin trevarthan ? Aug 13 01:58:36 unique311: short and to the point is hopefully to be the style of that blog Aug 13 01:58:48 my next post will probably be how to shoehorn localepurge in without breaking anything Aug 13 01:59:24 trevarth1n, works over here. Aug 13 02:00:14 i will have to flash my 770 before i can "finish" this series of posts Aug 13 02:00:37 had to reflash cause i screwed up trying to boot from mmc Aug 13 02:00:43 last time i do that Aug 13 02:00:51 unique311: :) rebooted my router. problem solved. Aug 13 02:00:56 apparently maemo's dbus lags if the wifi connection is slow. strange. Aug 13 02:00:56 i dont mind flashing, for now Aug 13 02:01:10 i figure it will be a month or two before im 'settled' with my 770 and actually expect to keep any data i put on it :) Aug 13 02:01:13 for now, its all play time Aug 13 02:15:04 judicous use of 'rm'? :) Aug 13 02:16:33 trevarth1n, when do you plan to release that theme? Aug 13 02:16:47 tomorrow morning, I think. Aug 13 02:17:02 disq does the release, because I can't seem to get my gpg key to work. Aug 13 02:17:16 otherwise I'd release in an hour or two. I'm almost ready. Aug 13 02:17:21 but disq is asleep. :) Aug 13 02:18:19 this new version is gonna be sweet. better theme, preliminary seek support, playmode button, etc... Aug 13 02:18:26 no OK button .... :) Aug 13 02:18:40 can't wait.. Aug 13 02:39:50 i wish there was a way to use my anti-theme packages without a repository Aug 13 02:40:44 i dont want people hammering my repository... but theres no other good way to distribute my packages Aug 13 02:41:11 Garage? Aug 13 02:41:11 <_Monkey> it has been said that Garage is https://garage.maemo.org or some where you may park your car. Aug 13 02:42:39 i dont know if its really safe to put them there Aug 13 02:42:56 Safe from what? Aug 13 02:43:03 people installing them accidentally Aug 13 02:47:30 I have no idea what you mean by that... how would someone install them "accidentally"? Aug 13 02:49:32 people installing them without realizing what they do, or that what they do is irreversible Aug 13 02:49:54 i dont want someone going "oooh, a theme!" and permanently losing one of their themes Aug 13 02:50:16 I mean, I don't see how it's any different there than anywhere else. Aug 13 02:50:35 You still have your own individual repository for your project, and it's not added anywhere automatically. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 13 02:59:56 2007