**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 14 02:59:56 2007
Aug 14 03:36:13 <Toma-> im trying to use 770-encode and im getting some nasty audio... http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/fam606.avi
Aug 14 03:37:00 <k8> ^^
Aug 14 03:37:05 <k8> (hi)
Aug 14 03:55:44 <trevarthan> Anyone know how to turn the screen off programmatically in maemo?
Aug 14 04:11:20 <sparr> dont know, Jesse
Aug 14 04:12:07 <timeless> oh right
Aug 14 04:12:10 <timeless> you did ask that question
Aug 14 04:12:46 <timeless> have you looked at how the screen saver works?
Aug 14 04:13:23 <timeless> looks like you probably want to speak to dsme
Aug 14 04:14:08 <timeless> do you have libinactivity-blank?
Aug 14 04:15:35 <timeless> glory:
Aug 14 04:15:45 <timeless> / $ find /usr/lib | grep inactivity
Aug 14 04:15:49 <timeless> Segmentation fault
Aug 14 04:15:57 <sparr> fun
Aug 14 04:16:01 <sparr> find or grep?
Aug 14 04:18:53 <trevarthan> I don't get a segfault here, but no matches either
Aug 14 04:18:59 <timeless> no core dumps folder
Aug 14 04:19:03 <timeless> so i can't say
Aug 14 04:20:13 <trevarthan> alright, I'm goin' to sleep. night folks.
Aug 14 04:21:54 <timeless> hrm, it's definitely part of dsme
Aug 14 04:22:45 <timeless> ah
Aug 14 04:22:49 <timeless> well, if you're root
Aug 14 04:22:58 <timeless> ioctl(fb, FBIOBLANK, VESA_POWERDOWN)
Aug 14 04:23:56 <timeless> ok, got it
Aug 14 04:24:01 * timeless pokes trevarthan
Aug 14 04:24:15 <trevarthan> yeah, still awake
Aug 14 04:24:28 <timeless> i don't suppose you have a dsme/protocol.h
Aug 14 04:24:57 <timeless> mce seems to use it
Aug 14 04:25:01 <trevarthan> not in /usr/lib
Aug 14 04:25:10 <timeless> it'd be in an include dir silly :)
Aug 14 04:25:28 <trevarthan> nor /usr/include
Aug 14 04:25:33 <trevarthan> yeah yeah
Aug 14 04:25:38 <trevarthan> I'm sleepy
Aug 14 04:25:52 <timeless>  systemui_powerkey_menu_dbus_cb
Aug 14 04:25:58 <timeless> ok, you want to abuse dbus :)
Aug 14 04:26:12 <trevarthan> yeah, let's do that.
Aug 14 04:26:34 <timeless> ok, the enum value is  POWER_KEY_MENU_RESPONSE_TKLOCK =1,
Aug 14 04:27:15 <timeless> "powerkey_callback"
Aug 14 04:27:19 <timeless> is the dbus callback
Aug 14 04:27:51 <timeless> "com.nokia.mce.request"
Aug 14 04:27:57 <timeless> is the dbus interface
Aug 14 04:28:32 <timeless> it expects afaiu a single int32 arg (value 1 from above)
Aug 14 04:28:42 <trevarthan> k. lemme code some stuff up.
Aug 14 04:28:58 <timeless> note: no guarantee you can unblank :)
Aug 14 04:29:10 <timeless> oh, and be careful
Aug 14 04:29:18 <timeless> this is the same interface that the user gets for the power key
Aug 14 04:29:24 <timeless> so you could accidental reboot the device
Aug 14 04:29:32 <timeless> or power it off or ...
Aug 14 04:30:04 <trevarthan> mmmm... nice
Aug 14 04:30:32 <timeless> oh, good, just in time
Aug 14 04:30:36 <trevarthan> you guys putting your API monkeys on that?
Aug 14 04:30:43 * timeless chuckles
Aug 14 04:30:46 <timeless> "no"
Aug 14 04:30:55 <timeless> please consider this an undocumented backchannel
Aug 14 04:30:59 <timeless> but now i have to go
Aug 14 04:31:10 <timeless> i'll be back in ~90mins i suppose
Aug 14 04:31:29 <trevarthan> k. hopefully I'll be snoring by then. thanks.
Aug 14 04:31:44 <timeless> luria: someday someone should explain how you guys managed to make that vkb file
Aug 14 04:31:53 <timeless> afaict there's no public docs for the xml input file
Aug 14 04:32:00 <Luria> sigh. must everything go at once?
Aug 14 04:32:15 <timeless> trevarthan: btw, that's of course not guaranteed not to change
Aug 14 04:32:19 <timeless> at least, i can't guarantee it
Aug 14 04:32:20 <Luria> sorry, pissed cause my home router seems to have died in the middle of an x session
Aug 14 04:32:55 <trevarthan> timeless: yeah, that's ok. Kagu will probably be obsolete in a few months anyway. :)
Aug 14 04:33:08 <Luria> oh, and i didnt make the vkb, had nothing to do with it... but it saved me from figuring out.. for better or worse
Aug 14 04:33:22 <Luria> but i think there is a problem with the instructions on that page
Aug 14 04:34:29 <Luria> timeless, did you "recompile" (is that the appropriate word?) the fonts?
Aug 14 04:39:07 <Luria> wow... its like i hit the mute button on the channel... or am mad lagged
Aug 14 04:40:56 <trevarthan> Luria: timeless said he was going away.
Aug 14 04:41:01 <Luria> ah
Aug 14 04:41:06 <Luria> shoot
Aug 14 04:41:23 <trevarthan> That crap he just told me doesn't make any sense. :)
Aug 14 04:41:43 <Luria> my nx connection died while i was about to edit the scripts to merge the nokia sys fonts with the oss hebrew fonts
Aug 14 04:41:51 <trevarthan> dbus is like throwing darts blindfolded
Aug 14 04:42:14 <Luria> and now my home router seems dead...
Aug 14 04:43:26 <Luria> so no vpn, no debian machines, no apache server for safe browsing.... no massive mp3 collection...
Aug 14 04:43:39 <Luria> sigh.
Aug 14 04:43:45 <Luria> i think i may have to go home.
Aug 14 04:44:01 <trevarthan> mmm... that sucks. I've been there
Aug 14 04:45:53 <Luria> this never happens... the wrt never goes... sometimes its the windows machine with the openvpn endpoint or the apache server on it... but i was sshing direct to my headless debian box... and now nothing works. damn, i wasnt even planning on going home, either.
Aug 14 04:46:08 <Luria> i wish i had a remote hard reboot
Aug 14 04:46:51 <Luria> that didnt depend on the internet, at least...
Aug 14 04:52:20 <trevarthan> it would need to be TTY based, then.
Aug 14 04:52:36 <trevarthan> asterisk + iaxmodem -> serial TTY maybe
Aug 14 04:53:02 <trevarthan> or maybe just an asterisk password protected IVR with a reboot machines option
Aug 14 04:53:33 <trevarthan> only way in besides the internet, right? the phone line?
Aug 14 04:57:32 <trevarthan> timeless: when you get back. I wrote some code: http://www.pastebin.ca/656535
Aug 14 04:58:25 <trevarthan> timeless: I know you hate python. But I hate C. :) Anyway, I send that, and get this from the dbus monitor: signal sender=:1.652 -> dest=(null destination) interface=com.nokia.mce.request; member=powerkey_callback int32 1
Aug 14 04:58:40 <trevarthan> timeless: and nothing happens. Any ideas?
Aug 14 04:59:26 <trevarthan> but seriously, I gotta get some sleep. laters peeps.
Aug 14 05:01:29 <Luria> yeah, was thinking of setting my openbsd machine to be an asterisk box
Aug 14 05:24:00 <Luria> is there a openvpn package for the n800?
Aug 14 05:25:28 <SomeoneE1se> how long does a full charge take on the n800 for a dead battery?
Aug 14 05:27:35 <sparr> technically a "dead" lithium battery cant be charged...  :)
Aug 14 05:28:54 <unique311> yes it can
Aug 14 05:29:07 <unique311> if its dead you can always get some life back..
Aug 14 05:29:23 <unique311> place it in the freezer for 24 hours..
Aug 14 05:29:26 <unique311> take it out.
Aug 14 05:29:44 <unique311> let it sit for about 2...
Aug 14 05:30:02 <unique311> place it back into the freezer for 24 hours...
Aug 14 05:30:26 <pupnik_> my battery never stops charging.  probably a bug in it2006se
Aug 14 05:30:37 <unique311> repeat these steps like 5 times
Aug 14 05:30:47 <unique311> should be good as new.
Aug 14 05:30:57 <pupnik_> interesting
Aug 14 05:31:22 <unique311> i thought it was bullshit
Aug 14 05:31:59 <unique311> tried it, got some time at leas 40+ minutes on my t41p
Aug 14 05:32:44 <unique311> also remember when i was very young my uncles use to place regular dead AA batteries in the freezer
Aug 14 05:33:04 <unique311> and they use to work.
Aug 14 05:33:16 <SomeoneE1se> ok
Aug 14 05:33:21 <SomeoneE1se> from an empty battery
Aug 14 05:33:31 <Luria> to increase conductivity? or ambient humidity?
Aug 14 05:33:54 <unique311> not sure of the science behind it...
Aug 14 05:34:13 <SomeoneE1se> I just got a replacement n800 for my borked one and want to know how long to let it charge before I play with it
Aug 14 05:34:45 <unique311> play with it while its charging
Aug 14 05:34:45 <unique311> lol
Aug 14 05:34:54 <Luria> amen
Aug 14 05:35:24 <unique311> i didn't even charge my batteries when i got my n800
Aug 14 05:35:44 <unique311> pop the batteries in it, and started messing around with it.
Aug 14 05:37:29 <Luria> sorry for the long paste, but
Aug 14 05:37:31 <Luria> 1. It is a VERY bad idea to fully discharge Lithium-Ion batteries. Once Li-ion batteries are discharged below ~2.75v (per cell) an unreversible chemical reaction happens that degrades the overall capacity depending on how low the voltage gets and how long the battery stays in such a state. You should note that your discharge->freezer->charge->repeat method will only help NIMH or NICD batteries. Also, the freezer step does nothing, just w
Aug 14 05:37:31 <Luria> astes time. One more thing, also shouldn't discharge the pack down to 0v. If you have a single weak cell in a pack, discharging to 0v could reverse the voltage in the weak cell from the other cells discharging though it. A reverse charge will make the cell weaker... How to properly cycle a NIMH or NICD battery pack: 1. Discharge the pack to 0.6v per cell (See below for info) at C/10 (see below for info) for the first cycle, C/4 for each
Aug 14 05:37:31 <Luria> following cycle. 2. Charge the pack at C/20 for 25 hours the first two or three cycles, after that use normal charger. 3. Rinse, repeat, wipe hands on pants. Per cell example: 14.4v pack, 14.4/1.2=12 cells, discharge to 7.2v C/*: C/* = total capacity in mAh divided by *. Example: C/4, 1000mAh pack = 250mAh (dis)charge current.
Aug 14 05:37:46 <Luria> be wary of the freezer
Aug 14 05:38:17 <Luria> it used to be a rapid discharge method for reconditioning
Aug 14 05:39:14 <pupnik_> do the tablets auto power down before the battery goes fully discharged?
Aug 14 05:39:18 <pupnik_> (one would hope so)
Aug 14 05:39:43 <SomeoneE1se> unique311 that's what I didi too
Aug 14 05:39:47 <Luria> i believe so
Aug 14 05:39:49 <rwhitby> pupnik_: mine has done so
Aug 14 05:40:03 <Luria> mine always has
Aug 14 05:40:16 <SomeoneE1se> but the battry would say 4 hours of use left and then 30 mins later it would just shut off
Aug 14 05:44:18 <SomeoneE1se> anyone know how to fast forward mplayer
Aug 14 05:44:24 <SomeoneE1se> or even pause it
Aug 14 05:55:58 <sparr> arrows?
Aug 14 05:59:40 <Luria> "mplayer -input pause"  i think
Aug 14 05:59:50 <Luria> http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs/html/mplayer/
Aug 14 06:06:15 <timeless> luria: nope, i'm reviewing logs from about 9months ago and writing complaints based on them
Aug 14 06:06:16 <timeless> trevarthan: sorry, nope. all i can do is read code which is essentially greek, you can try sp3000 he can use the pointers i've spilled and find someone who speaks dbus (or anyone you can find who speaks dbus and has an osso affiliation).
Aug 14 06:06:17 <timeless> fwiw, if it's delivered and mce doesn't like it, it'd complain using its logging callback. you might need to poke mce.ini/DeviceMenu/BlankImmediately/TRUE
Aug 14 06:08:41 * timeless grumbles
Aug 14 06:08:54 <timeless> who wants to be my bugs.maemo angel this morning?
Aug 14 06:09:16 <timeless> (you can have a cloak and dagger if the halo is too uncomfortable)
Aug 14 06:14:18 * timeless grumbles
Aug 14 06:14:30 <timeless> sw: [bad_bug]
Aug 14 06:14:36 <timeless> sw: [useless_bug]
Aug 14 06:17:31 <timeless> sw: [should_have_used_guided]
Aug 14 06:27:59 <Luria> timeless, still here?
Aug 14 06:28:04 <timeless> kinda
Aug 14 06:28:17 <timeless> i'm busy ranting at people because no one would be my angel
Aug 14 06:28:23 <Luria> so you didnt recompile the fonts?
Aug 14 06:28:25 <timeless> (angel ~ messenger)
Aug 14 06:28:40 <Luria> just a question, cause i was about to but my nx session died
Aug 14 06:28:46 <timeless> i don't generally need to read hebrew on my tablet,
Aug 14 06:28:50 <timeless> so, no i haven't
Aug 14 06:28:56 <Luria> to read is easy
Aug 14 06:29:11 <timeless> the last time i'd have wanted it would have been to get the prayer for hanging my mezuzah
Aug 14 06:29:21 <Luria> drop ms arial unicode  in .fonts and redo the cache
Aug 14 06:29:27 <timeless> i think i ended up using my laptop
Aug 14 06:29:40 <timeless> (yes, that's stupid, but hey)
Aug 14 06:29:47 <Luria> and its ... likboa mezuzah
Aug 14 06:30:00 <timeless> yeah yeah, i did it
Aug 14 06:30:03 <Luria> :-)
Aug 14 06:30:13 <timeless> i've actually done it twice now i suppose
Aug 14 06:30:47 <Luria> the only reason to do the font recompile is because vkb needs font support in system fonts
Aug 14 06:30:53 <timeless> the first time was cooler, since i got a prayer card from a synagogue's dedication and used it at my apt
Aug 14 06:31:09 <Luria> otherwise the apps work with ms airal unicode ttf
Aug 14 06:31:20 <Luria> thats pretty neat
Aug 14 06:31:21 <timeless> interesting
Aug 14 06:31:39 <timeless> is that arguably a bug in vkb?
Aug 14 06:31:45 <Luria> i dont think so
Aug 14 06:31:53 <timeless> why not?
Aug 14 06:32:22 <Luria> the vkb relies on one of the system fonts, which isnt a bad choice
Aug 14 06:32:49 <Luria> it should be fixed to something and not treated like an app
Aug 14 06:33:13 <Luria> to my mind its "lower"
Aug 14 06:33:36 <Luria> the only bad design is that the system fonts dont have 30k+ glyphs :-)
Aug 14 06:34:35 <Luria> if you try the maemo.org hack tho, i think the #/usr/sbin/fontmerge in the scripts has to be changed
Aug 14 06:34:54 <Luria> i think it has to be called with a -c to allow for scripting
Aug 14 06:35:08 <Luria> but my session died just as i started vim
Aug 14 06:35:20 <Luria> errr ..../fontforge
Aug 14 06:36:15 <Luria> know what i mean?
Aug 14 06:39:14 <Luria> actually, id like to shoot the guy who put the pipe on the second page of symbols somewhere in the middle of the keymap
Aug 14 06:39:35 <Luria> takes me two damn minutes to find it each time
Aug 14 06:41:27 <Luria> timeless, btw, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_him_bora.html
Aug 14 06:41:29 <straind`> have you tried the UK keyboard?
Aug 14 06:41:41 <Luria> no, does it help?
Aug 14 06:41:49 <straind`> Yeah.  Much better.
Aug 14 06:41:54 <Luria> that and the minus key requiring shift
Aug 14 06:42:02 <straind`> Fixes that too.
Aug 14 06:42:13 <Luria> someone should have sent the guy a memo that maemo runs on linux
Aug 14 06:42:35 <Luria> errr... no pun intended...
Aug 14 06:42:35 <timeless> maemo runs on linux?
Aug 14 06:42:38 <straind`> Yeah.  Pipe, minus, /bin/play :)
Aug 14 06:42:59 <timeless> luria: i don't get it
Aug 14 06:43:23 <Luria> http://www.arava.co.il/matan/770/heb/fontmerge
Aug 14 06:43:32 <Luria> is the script that merges the fonts
Aug 14 06:43:35 <timeless> oh wow, they actually documented the xml file?
Aug 14 06:43:46 <Luria> yeah thought you knew
Aug 14 06:43:53 <Luria> they did the whole input thing
Aug 14 06:44:04 <timeless> i sent a complaint earlier that they haven't open sourced the xml files we have
Aug 14 06:44:12 <timeless> i don't think i've proof'd the 3-x files
Aug 14 06:44:13 <straind`> Does the phone keypad vs numberpad annoy anyone else?
Aug 14 06:44:18 <timeless> i haven't travelled recently
Aug 14 06:44:26 <timeless> and i think the next time i do, i'm going to be reading the mail specs
Aug 14 06:44:39 <timeless> which sound like they're as stupid as everything else
Aug 14 06:44:51 <Luria> anyway that script merges the fonts on that site kept complaining about the arguments or the tokens supplied
Aug 14 06:45:09 <Luria> this on vanilla debian
Aug 14 06:45:30 <straind`> Has anyone tried flite?
Aug 14 06:45:40 <Luria> which makes sense cause running fontforge starts an x app
Aug 14 06:46:10 <straind`> It seems to have trouble running as user, but it's ok as root.
Aug 14 06:46:20 <Luria> i checked the docs for fontforge, and apparently, adding -c makes it cli/scripting
Aug 14 06:46:45 <Luria> i was about to check my theory, but my connection home died
Aug 14 06:48:12 <Luria> straind`, fontforge for you goes cli without the -c argument?
Aug 14 06:48:20 * k8 giorno
Aug 14 06:48:46 <straind`> Luria: I was talking about flite, not fontforge.
Aug 14 06:48:53 <Luria> ah
Aug 14 06:48:56 <Luria> sorry
Aug 14 06:49:02 <straind`> I haven't heard of fontforge. :)
Aug 14 06:49:05 <Luria> ive installed it, but i havent tinkered
Aug 14 06:49:19 <Luria> flite, not fontforge :-)
Aug 14 06:49:43 <timeless> context switches can be dangerous :)
Aug 14 06:49:59 <straind`> I'm trying to get kismet to talk to me. :)
Aug 14 06:50:05 <Luria> like women guns and booze
Aug 14 06:50:09 <Luria> kismet works?
Aug 14 06:50:37 <straind`> Yeah.  For me at least.  I have to reboot after, to get wireless access working.
Aug 14 06:50:53 <Luria> ouch
Aug 14 06:51:12 <Luria> now that i mention it, finnish guns are nice.
Aug 14 06:51:21 <straind`> I don't mind too much because I don't run kismet too often.
Aug 14 06:52:11 <straind`> This is pretty neat.  I can run flite over SSH and have it start talking wherever it is. :)
Aug 14 06:52:12 * timeless has no interest in finnish guys, or finns, or guys ... :)
Aug 14 06:53:33 * timeless sighs
Aug 14 06:53:42 * timeless needs to write another how not to design a bugzilla
Aug 14 06:53:55 <unique311> hmmm
Aug 14 06:54:20 <Luria> straind`, wait, ssh runs on your desktop and outputs to your n800?
Aug 14 06:54:47 <Luria> im not getting something
Aug 14 06:54:47 <straind`> Yeah.  I can make my n770 talk by using SSH from my desktop.
Aug 14 06:55:04 <Luria> oh i see
Aug 14 06:55:23 <Luria> you could output the channel text to your 770
Aug 14 06:55:24 <straind`> SSH *to* the n770 :)
Aug 14 06:55:39 <Luria> then we all can annoy you to no end
Aug 14 06:55:53 <straind`> Luria: Yeah.  If I only knew how to do it, I could do it. :)
Aug 14 06:58:07 <straind`> I suppose, if I had to I would glue it together with HTTP.  mIRC would make an HTTP request for every channel message and the n770 would take the input and pass it to flite.
Aug 14 06:59:26 <straind`> Anyone have a (cli) way to make the 770 play a sound file?
Aug 14 07:00:10 <Luria> http://www.oreilly.com/pub/h/1963
Aug 14 07:00:11 <Luria> :-)
Aug 14 07:00:35 <Luria> umm mplayer?
Aug 14 07:07:29 <straind`> umm nope? :)
Aug 14 07:10:14 <straind`> Ok.  After several seconds delay (and pages of GLIB WARNING), it played an mp3.
Aug 14 07:14:18 <straind`> I don't know why it won't play a wav file, but I need to go to bed an hour ago.
Aug 14 07:39:12 <guardian> morning
Aug 14 07:39:12 <_Monkey> aloha
Aug 14 07:40:39 <AD-N770> good morning
Aug 14 08:14:43 <pupnik_> gp2x successor might have the tablet's 800x480 screen
Aug 14 08:15:59 <pupnik_> would be neat if they just could cut a deal with nokia for a version of the N900 with gamepad controls
Aug 14 08:16:48 <dazgard> hi here :)
Aug 14 08:16:55 <pupnik_> moo
Aug 14 08:17:01 <dazgard> are there any plan to get pulseaudio on the n800 ?
Aug 14 08:17:11 <pupnik_> wazzat
Aug 14 08:17:28 <dazgard> pulseaudio is a sound server
Aug 14 08:17:34 <dazgard> http://pulseaudio.org/
Aug 14 08:19:09 <dazgard> imagine, you have your headphone, listening to your favorite tunes, outdoor, and once you connect to your home network (wifi,...), the sound is automaticaly routed to your desktop audio system ?
Aug 14 08:19:33 <dazgard> http://www.gnome.org/mobile/
Aug 14 08:19:51 <dazgard> have a look at the "Technologies in Incubation" section :)
Aug 14 08:22:15 <Nermal> woo
Aug 14 08:22:16 <Nermal> morning
Aug 14 08:22:17 <_Monkey> aloha
Aug 14 08:22:28 <dazgard> hi
Aug 14 08:22:33 * Nermal drinks coffee and eats his bacon sandwich
Aug 14 08:22:59 <pupnik_> dazgard: is there a curses or gtk2 client
Aug 14 08:23:49 <dazgard> there are gtk2 utilities
Aug 14 08:24:36 <dazgard> for the volume, sound server choice,
Aug 14 08:25:12 <dazgard> pulseaudio is really  a good piece of software
Aug 14 08:26:16 <dazgard> it does support alsa/arts/oss/esound... apromatively any linux sound piece
Aug 14 08:27:12 <pupnik_> you won't see official support, but a third party could build a client
Aug 14 08:28:50 <dazgard> i think in a near future, this software will be the default GNU/linux audio interface ;)
Aug 14 08:29:36 <pupnik_> what about jack?
Aug 14 08:29:42 <dazgard> im using on all my linux boxes
Aug 14 08:29:52 <dazgard> it does support jack too :)
Aug 14 08:30:15 <pupnik_> what does it replace?
Aug 14 08:30:27 <dazgard> and what's really cool, it does not add extra latency
Aug 14 08:30:57 <dazgard> it does not replace anything, the approche was to embrace :)
Aug 14 08:31:27 <dazgard> but i think, it should replace all of them :)
Aug 14 08:31:59 <dazgard> the latency provided is really suited for professionnal audio work
Aug 14 08:32:08 <pupnik_> you face an uphill battle convincing people why they should want it
Aug 14 08:32:10 <dazgard> im using ardour, for recordoing
Aug 14 08:32:47 <pupnik_> ardour doesn't need pulse
Aug 14 08:33:16 <dazgard> yes, but ardour do need jack :)
Aug 14 08:33:31 <pupnik_> i can understand jack
Aug 14 08:33:54 <dazgard> and it is not suited to use jack as a default sound "server"
Aug 14 08:34:33 <dazgard> for programmers, one simple api (no more alsa/oss/portaudio/.....)
Aug 14 08:34:49 <dazgard> for users, it's simply wonderful
Aug 14 08:34:54 <pupnik_> geez i just built portaudio for the nokias
Aug 14 08:36:10 <dazgard> imagine, you're in your room, listening to a song, and you want your friend/brother/sister in the other room to listing too
Aug 14 08:36:26 <pupnik_> so i run icecast
Aug 14 08:36:30 <dazgard> lol
Aug 14 08:37:01 <dazgard> just try pulse, and you will understand what i mean ;)
Aug 14 08:37:22 <pupnik_> icecast can stream from an internal player, or play back whatever my soundcard hears
Aug 14 08:37:50 <pupnik_> so i can stream any currently playing source (radio, mp3s, cds)
Aug 14 08:38:09 <pupnik_> (icecast+darkice)
Aug 14 08:38:27 <dazgard> yes, i understand, but the include an other piece of software
Aug 14 08:39:13 <pupnik_> i am being obtuse, but it has a purpose
Aug 14 08:40:34 <dazgard> man, but the way do you know of any binary for ecasound for the n800 please ?
Aug 14 08:42:19 <dazgard> im recording audio with ardour (im writing reggae songs), and i would like to record my ideas as fast as i can (on the road to work,....) and ecasound on the n800 would be really cool
Aug 14 08:44:27 <pupnik_> ecasound: Unmet build dependencies: libsndfile1-dev (>= 1.0.17-2) python-dev ladspa-sdk (>= 1.0.LGPL-3) libreadline5-dev libjack0.100.0-dev libsamplerate0-dev hevea texlive-base-bin texlive-base texlive-latex-extra yodl ruby1.8 ruby python-docutils python-support (>= 0.4.0)
Aug 14 08:46:23 <Luria> ooh that made me dizzy
Aug 14 08:47:02 <timeless> python and ruby?
Aug 14 08:47:07 <timeless> what is that. make_World
Aug 14 08:47:24 <pupnik_> buildpackage
Aug 14 08:48:57 <pupnik_> ardour looks better
Aug 14 08:48:58 <dazgard> im going to get the maemo sdk and try to build it
Aug 14 08:48:59 <pupnik_> Unmet build dependencies: patchutils (>= 0.2.25) libsndfile1-dev libsamplerate0-dev liblrdf0-dev (>= 0.3.1-4) ladspa-sdk (>= 1.1-2) libjack-dev libgtkmm-2.4-dev libgnomecanvasmm-2.6-dev libgnomecanvas2-dev libglademm-2.4-dev libboost-dev libsoundtouch1-dev liblo0-dev libcairomm-1.0-dev (>= 1.2.4)
Aug 14 08:49:15 <dazgard> ardour on the n800 ?
Aug 14 08:49:16 <dazgard> lol
Aug 14 08:49:20 <dazgard> why not :D
Aug 14 08:49:34 <pupnik_> jsut from a dependencies standpoint
Aug 14 08:50:18 <pupnik_> you'll have problems with read/write speed to mmc on the 770.  dunno about n800
Aug 14 08:52:33 <unique311> so who else use their device besides disq without scratch protector thingie
Aug 14 08:52:34 <unique311> ??
Aug 14 08:52:35 <unique311> ??
Aug 14 08:52:51 <Luria> not i
Aug 14 08:52:54 <pupnik_> that is unknowable
Aug 14 08:53:42 <pupnik_> Does the N800 scratch more eaily than the 770?
Aug 14 08:53:59 <Luria> crap. not the unknowable!
Aug 14 08:54:26 <Luria> :-)
Aug 14 08:54:36 <dazgard> unique311: 6months im using the default protctor since :)
Aug 14 08:55:36 <Luria> really? i found the stylus to be cutting the default plastic on the n800 after three weeks
Aug 14 08:55:42 <pupnik_> btw there are high-quality USB ADCs for professional recording
Aug 14 08:57:11 <Luria> speaking of hostmode with imaginary objects...
Aug 14 08:57:21 <unique311> i got rid of the default protector 3 weeks into it
Aug 14 08:57:35 <unique311> the ones i'm using now are like rubber
Aug 14 08:57:40 <unique311> not very fond of them..
Aug 14 08:57:48 <Luria> is there any hope for something like this... http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/June2006/3243.htm ...to work?
Aug 14 08:57:52 <unique311> when i try to draw with it..not too fun.
Aug 14 09:01:39 <dazgard> pupnik_: im using the ua-20, but this is really not for professional recording
Aug 14 09:01:40 <pupnik_> btw dazgard before you think about 'hard disc' recording on a tablet, check your write speed
Aug 14 09:01:53 <pupnik_> date ; dd bs=1M count=100 if=/dev/random of=/media/mmc1/bigfile.wav ; date
Aug 14 09:02:06 <dazgard> ok, gonna test this :)
Aug 14 09:02:26 <pupnik_> 16-bit 44.1khz stereo requires 176kB/s
Aug 14 09:03:03 <dazgard> i do not really need 16-bit 44.1khz stereo :)
Aug 14 09:03:19 <dazgard> it's just not to forget the good ideas :)
Aug 14 09:03:52 <pupnik_> you can use the built-in microphone for ideas
Aug 14 09:04:16 <dazgard> yes, that's what im doing for the moment
Aug 14 09:05:05 <dazgard> using maemo recorder, but maemo recorder is not good for those kind of things, and it is quiete buggy too
Aug 14 09:11:16 <pupnik_> btw that /dev/random input doesn't work with dd and bs=1m for some reason (on 770)
Aug 14 09:12:14 <pupnik_> strange, writing 10MB took under a second and writing 100 is running over a minute
Aug 14 09:12:34 <dazgard> buffereing ?
Aug 14 09:13:11 <pupnik_> using if=/dev/zero ... straange
Aug 14 09:14:52 <pupnik_> writing 20MB yielded 606kB/s
Aug 14 09:15:20 <pupnik_> so you might be able to implement a 4-track recorder on the 770 with default kernel
Aug 14 09:16:30 <dazgard> :)
Aug 14 09:17:34 <dazgard> im running the 100M timing test on my n800
Aug 14 09:18:03 <dazgard> the n800 hardware is wonderful
Aug 14 09:18:51 <dazgard> the only problem for me withit is the camera, when using it with the "camera software" from nokia, man, this is sooooo slooooooow :(
Aug 14 09:20:55 <dazgard> i also hope to have a webkit based browser, cause the mozilla based one is too slow too
Aug 14 09:21:20 <pupnik_> 'simple multitrack recorder' builds fine
Aug 14 09:21:35 <pupnik_> mix 2 1 .3 .3 drums .4 .3 bass 1.3 .9 synth | srp > vocal
Aug 14 09:21:36 <pupnik_> Vocal track is recorded while listening to mix of drums, bass, and synth
Aug 14 09:21:51 <dazgard> that's what im looking for man !!!
Aug 14 09:22:41 <dazgard> do you have any link please ?
Aug 14 09:24:40 <pupnik_> http://pupnik.de/SMR_maemo_001.tgz
Aug 14 09:24:41 <pupnik_> no idea whether srp works with the mic input
Aug 14 09:25:00 <pupnik_> http://www.w140.com/audio/
Aug 14 09:25:38 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Aug 14 09:25:39 <_Monkey> Guten Tag, sbaturzio!
Aug 14 09:26:08 <dazgard> thanks man
Aug 14 09:26:12 <dazgard> sbaturzio: Aloha!
Aug 14 09:26:12 <_Monkey> Guten Tag, dazgard!
Aug 14 09:26:21 <dazgard> _Monkey: hi
Aug 14 09:26:21 <_Monkey> niihau, dazgard
Aug 14 09:26:27 <dazgard> ?
Aug 14 09:27:23 <pupnik_> _Monkey: botsnack
Aug 14 09:27:23 <_Monkey> :)
Aug 14 09:27:25 <unique311> lol
Aug 14 09:27:53 <unique311> love these monkey momments
Aug 14 09:29:59 <pupnik_> _Monkey: MITM is a 'Monkey in the middle' attack to compromise secure communications: http://monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff/faq.html
Aug 14 09:29:59 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik_.
Aug 14 09:30:47 <pupnik_> that worked well :)
Aug 14 09:31:12 <pupnik_> dsniff?
Aug 14 09:32:18 <pupnik_> _Monkey, dsniff is a collection of tools for network auditing and penetration testing.  http://maemo.org/downloads/product/dsniff/  also ask me about MITM
Aug 14 09:32:18 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik_.
Aug 14 09:33:18 <pupnik_> pcsx?
Aug 14 09:34:48 <pupnik_> _Monkey, pcsx is an open-source Playstation 1 emulator.  An unoptimized build is available at http://pupnik.de/pcsx.html   Its purpose is to frustrate users and annoy zodttd into porting psx4all to maemo.
Aug 14 09:34:49 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik_.
Aug 14 09:38:48 <pupnik> Can anybody help me port drpocketsnes to maemo?
Aug 14 09:38:50 <pupnik> WIP here... http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz
Aug 14 09:48:05 <unique311> pupnik, what kind of errors are you getting?
Aug 14 09:49:42 <pupnik> the various modules need to be made to work with one another
Aug 14 09:50:09 <pupnik> iow this isn't a recompile with a few tweaks, but getting into the guts of it
Aug 14 09:50:52 <pupnik> I'm going to wait for v7 to come out, start over, and document the work
Aug 14 09:51:06 <pupnik> so the snes folks can tell me what i'm doing wroang
Aug 14 09:51:25 <timeless> _monkey seen kender
Aug 14 09:51:26 <_Monkey> kender was last seen on #maemo 28 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: hi [Mon Jul 16 15:24:34 2007]
Aug 14 09:52:08 <pupnik> _monkey seen zodttd
Aug 14 09:52:08 <_Monkey> zodttd was last seen on #maemo 2 days, 6 hours, 56 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: wb pupnik_ [Sun Aug 12 03:53:56 2007]
Aug 14 09:53:35 <pupnik> damn, missed him.  At least he's alive :)
Aug 14 09:54:17 <kulve> _Monkey seen _Monkey
Aug 14 09:54:18 <_Monkey> I haven't seen '_Monkey', kulve
Aug 14 09:57:44 <dazgard> how can i add the key for "http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com" to my repositories please ?
Aug 14 09:57:54 <dazgard> can't find it nowhere
Aug 14 09:57:55 <dazgard> :s
Aug 14 09:58:11 <unique311> why are all the nitendo ds emulators for windows
Aug 14 09:59:44 <pupnik> http://desmume.org/
Aug 14 10:00:51 <unique311> you are fast pupnik
Aug 14 10:01:13 <unique311> someone on itt wants a port..
Aug 14 10:01:33 <unique311> going to see how hard it is to make it happen..and then hit them with bad news
Aug 14 10:03:50 <unique311> strange first time i've gotten a pkg-config not avail.
Aug 14 10:04:38 <pupnik> ac_tool_prefix isn't getting set right
Aug 14 10:05:06 <pupnik> :1
Aug 14 10:05:46 <timeless> _monkey lle?
Aug 14 10:05:46 <_Monkey> timeless: no idea
Aug 14 10:06:50 <pupnik> unique311: configure line 698: ac_tool_prefix="/scratchbox/tools/bin/"
Aug 14 10:07:17 <pupnik> oops hmm
Aug 14 10:07:53 <unique311> i have another issue
Aug 14 10:08:05 <unique311> usually whe configure fails..
Aug 14 10:09:57 <pupnik> checking for /scratchbox/tools/bin/pkg-config... no
Aug 14 10:09:59 <pupnik> wtf
Aug 14 10:10:01 <dazgard> stupid question, but how can i have a /dev/dsp on the n800 plz ?
Aug 14 10:10:12 <dazgard> seems there's no oss support
Aug 14 10:10:34 <dazgard> does not the installed alsa have backward compatibility ?
Aug 14 10:10:42 <pupnik> dazgard: i wish i knew. there's an aoss wrapper you can build but it doesn't do it
Aug 14 10:10:52 <pupnik> dazgard: if you can figure that out, snes9x will have sound
Aug 14 10:11:17 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/alsa-oss_1.0.8-1_armel.deb
Aug 14 10:11:24 <dazgard> cool
Aug 14 10:11:25 <dazgard> :)
Aug 14 10:11:29 <timeless> we ship alsa
Aug 14 10:11:43 <unique311> pupnik still MIA
Aug 14 10:11:44 <timeless> at least in 4.2007 there's alsa-lib-1.0.10
Aug 14 10:12:56 * pupnik appoints dazgard as the new sound-figurer-outer
Aug 14 10:13:17 <dazgard> :)
Aug 14 10:14:05 <timeless> sardine-20070531/release/alsa-lib-1.0.10/
Aug 14 10:14:14 <timeless> so it was also in sardine in may
Aug 14 10:15:40 <pupnik> /mnt/initfs/sys/bus/platform/drivers/omap_alsa_mcbsp
Aug 14 10:16:35 <pupnik> dazgard: one question would be 'is it possible to get an alsa oss wrapper running without a kernel module?'
Aug 14 10:17:24 <pupnik> or is there a simpler way to create a /dev/dsp device?
Aug 14 10:18:03 <timeless> everyone should use gstreamer :)
Aug 14 10:18:22 * timeless isn't sure what gstreamer is, but it starts w/ a g, it must be good
Aug 14 10:18:25 <timeless> g=good, right? :)
Aug 14 10:19:28 <pupnik> yeah a proper port uses hildon and gstreamer.  but a lot of things aren't going to get proper ports due to time constraints
Aug 14 10:21:20 <unique311> pupnk wrong version..
Aug 14 10:21:24 <pupnik> it's really two classes of application.  one is a real tablet-ized app.  another is a desktop linux app that's just a quick compile
Aug 14 10:21:36 <unique311> seems sourceforge is handing out 0.7.2
Aug 14 10:21:39 <pupnik> unique311: what do you mean?
Aug 14 10:21:44 <unique311> you need to grab 0.7.3
Aug 14 10:21:49 <pupnik> oh ok
Aug 14 10:22:00 <pupnik> url?
Aug 14 10:22:15 <unique311> on 2 different notebooks
Aug 14 10:22:52 <pupnik> they say 0.7.3 is released but their downloads page only has 0.7.2
Aug 14 10:22:53 <unique311> group_id=164579
Aug 14 10:23:06 <unique311> on sourceforge
Aug 14 10:23:41 <pupnik> http://sourceforge.net/group_id=164579
Aug 14 10:23:46 <pupnik> nope
Aug 14 10:24:46 <unique311> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=164579
Aug 14 10:25:16 <pupnik> ty
Aug 14 10:25:47 <timeless> oh, i'm not actually a fan of gstreamer or anything
Aug 14 10:25:50 <timeless> people just mention it :)
Aug 14 10:25:50 <unique311> cannot find lGL not good..so thats out of the question
Aug 14 10:27:17 <unique311> pupnik..the readme has good info..
Aug 14 10:27:27 <unique311> how to build different versions.
Aug 14 10:27:33 <unique311> i just notice it
Aug 14 10:30:46 <pupnik> the GL stuff needs to be pulled out
Aug 14 10:32:13 <unique311> can it be done without screwing up the rest of the source on compile
Aug 14 10:37:18 <pupnik> unique311: got it built - want the changes?
Aug 14 10:37:39 <unique311> danm..
Aug 14 10:37:42 <unique311> you are quick
Aug 14 10:37:49 <unique311> yeah
Aug 14 10:37:51 <unique311> send em
Aug 14 10:37:58 <pupnik> it's not much
Aug 14 10:38:21 <unique311> did you just go into the directory of the version you want to build
Aug 14 10:38:28 <unique311> thats the route i was going to take
Aug 14 10:38:36 <pupnik> i'm in desmume-0.7.3
Aug 14 10:38:45 <pupnik> did your configure run though ok?
Aug 14 10:39:10 <unique311> i did
Aug 14 10:39:41 <unique311> but make complianed of the gl stuff
Aug 14 10:40:03 <pupnik> one second
Aug 14 10:40:09 <unique311> but then i notice the different directories
Aug 14 10:40:20 <unique311> for the specific type you want to build..
Aug 14 10:40:28 <unique311> i was going to try the gtk version.
Aug 14 10:40:36 <unique311> i got an error could not find gtk.h
Aug 14 10:40:44 <unique311> dejavu
Aug 14 10:40:56 <pupnik> http://pastebin.ca/656731
Aug 14 10:42:53 <pupnik> that's kinda stupid actually
Aug 14 10:43:11 <pupnik> deleting -DHAVE_GL_GL_H=1 -DHAVE_GL_GLU_H=1  from makefile would be better
Aug 14 10:45:19 <N800> wtf
Aug 14 10:45:26 <N800> internet don't want to work
Aug 14 10:45:30 <N800> well its working
Aug 14 10:45:33 <N800> i'm on irc
Aug 14 10:45:46 <N800> but webbrowsers are not working
Aug 14 10:46:06 <N800> oh
Aug 14 10:46:10 <N800> its ie
Aug 14 10:47:01 <N800> pupnik, its pastebin man..
Aug 14 10:47:05 <N800> its not going thru
Aug 14 10:47:38 <pupnik> forget the pastebin - it was stoopid - just delete -DHAVE_GL_GL_H=1 -DHAVE_GL_GLU_H=1 from the makefile and you should be good to make
Aug 14 10:47:47 <N800> k
Aug 14 10:49:26 <pupnik> looks like it lays out the dual screen vertically, which isn't good for the tablet
Aug 14 10:50:34 <N800> i don't have those entries in my makefile..
Aug 14 10:50:54 <N800> so it runs on the 770?
Aug 14 10:51:17 <N800> I'll wait for you to upload the your modified source.
Aug 14 10:51:25 <pupnik> ?
Aug 14 10:51:52 <pupnik> yeah it runs - looking for a public domain ds rom
Aug 14 10:52:03 <pupnik> then it will need a different layout
Aug 14 10:52:13 <N800> should be easy to do.
Aug 14 10:52:23 <N800> thiers an irc channel on freenode for desmume
Aug 14 10:52:31 <N800> #desmume
Aug 14 10:54:19 <pupnik> ok open configure, line 5577 and remove -lGL and -lGLU
Aug 14 10:54:24 <pupnik> rerun configure
Aug 14 10:54:40 <pupnik> then you should have a amkefile with the HAVE_GL defines
Aug 14 10:54:56 <pupnik> remove the HAVE_GL defines in the makefile and dsmemu will build without gl
Aug 14 10:56:44 <N800> not sure we have the same file man..
Aug 14 10:56:46 <N800> lol
Aug 14 10:57:19 <N800> configure line 5577 does not contain that line
Aug 14 10:58:21 <pupnik> well the code is fine.  just need to pull out the GL -DEFINES and the -lGL and -lGLU
Aug 14 10:59:02 <N800> k, so can't i just get your modified source code, when you get a chance to upload it.
Aug 14 10:59:22 <pupnik> the source is unmodified :P
Aug 14 10:59:29 <N800> i know why i don't have the same entries as you
Aug 14 10:59:36 <N800> i ran ./autogen.sh
Aug 14 11:01:52 <N800> yep that was it
Aug 14 11:02:02 <pupnik> ok i was wrong - i do have to comment out #define INCLUDE_OPENGL_2D in src/cli/main.c
Aug 14 11:03:17 <N800> i removed line 5577
Aug 14 11:03:25 <N800> and it compile straight thru
Aug 14 11:03:37 <N800> without having to modify makefile
Aug 14 11:04:16 <pupnik> ok i think configure might have found some remnant of mesaGL i had installed
Aug 14 11:05:06 <N800> k so it compile and installed for me..
Aug 14 11:05:17 <N800> now what get a dsrom and hope for the best
Aug 14 11:05:40 <N800> there's a couple of roms on the dsemu site
Aug 14 11:06:23 <N800> http://www.double.co.nz/nintendo_ds/dsemu.html
Aug 14 11:07:41 <N800> http://ndshb.com
Aug 14 11:11:54 <N800> feck seg fault
Aug 14 11:12:03 <pupnik> just crashes here with YASFcave.nds
Aug 14 11:12:39 <N800> got a segfault using the desmume-cli
Aug 14 11:12:52 <N800> gtk just gave me a fatal signal
Aug 14 11:13:13 <N800> you try running with different flags
Aug 14 11:13:13 <pupnik> i just get a 'Killed' message
Aug 14 11:14:28 <N800> seg faults here
Aug 14 11:18:27 <pupnik> well go to main.c - the SDL video mode is set to 32 and it needs to be 16
Aug 14 11:18:34 <pupnik> but that might break other things
Aug 14 11:18:39 <pupnik> cli/main.c
Aug 14 11:19:06 <pupnik> whoah it works in sb
Aug 14 11:19:56 <N800> nice
Aug 14 11:19:58 <N800> lol
Aug 14 11:21:09 <pupnik> http://pastebin.ca/656753
Aug 14 11:21:33 * pupnik <3s SDL
Aug 14 11:24:42 <N800> nothing here still
Aug 14 11:26:36 * pupnik is confuzzled
Aug 14 11:27:43 <pupnik> on the scratchbox i get Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)  and on 770 it starts
Aug 14 11:27:57 <N800> ok
Aug 14 11:28:07 <pupnik> with desmume (not cli)
Aug 14 11:31:30 <pupnik> nice gtk UI though - no problems with that
Aug 14 11:31:43 <N800> what about the double screen
Aug 14 11:31:47 <N800> sucks/?
Aug 14 11:34:54 <pupnik> actually it's only 384 high
Aug 14 11:35:05 <pupnik> playing 'birds' on the pc now - about 12 fps
Aug 14 11:36:20 <pupnik> np: Ella Fitzgerald and Chick Webb - When I get Low I get High
Aug 14 11:42:10 <konttori> wow: pretty harsh critic on the nokia E90: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/02/nokia_new_coke/
Aug 14 11:47:31 <N800> pupnik, desmume-cli on n800 1.3 fps
Aug 14 11:47:33 <N800> lol
Aug 14 11:47:41 <N800> running a tetris homebrew..
Aug 14 11:47:53 <pupnik> what did you do to get it running?
Aug 14 11:47:55 <N800> going to try the frameskips on the gtk version
Aug 14 11:48:09 <N800> run desmume-cli tetris.nds
Aug 14 11:48:18 <N800> the screen is small
Aug 14 11:48:23 <N800> so small
Aug 14 11:48:26 <N800> lol
Aug 14 11:48:39 <N800> 1.33 now
Aug 14 11:49:16 <florian> konttori: understandable to some extend, but some parts (like the e61 vs. Q9 comparison) are bullshit.
Aug 14 11:49:17 <N800> 3 fps in the gtk version
Aug 14 11:50:29 <konttori> Well, I haven't really looked at Q9, so can't comment on that.
Aug 14 11:50:49 <florian> konttori: imho the E90 is a great product, but it makes some limitations of S60 pretty obvious...
Aug 14 11:51:10 <konttori> Indeed, and their critic on dropping the s80 platform was pretty good imho.
Aug 14 11:51:12 <N800> 10fps with the frameskip
Aug 14 11:52:50 <pupnik> impressive - it's emulating an ARM9 67mhz and arm7 33mhz CPU
Aug 14 11:53:22 <N800> 20 fps
Aug 14 11:53:30 <N800> top it i think
Aug 14 11:53:46 <N800> but the n800 is not responding too well now
Aug 14 11:53:49 <florian> konttori: yes... well, S60 is not designed to be that flexible obviously. S80 hat mich more benefits for more experienced users.
Aug 14 11:53:56 <N800> must be sucking up resources
Aug 14 11:53:57 <florian> s/mich/much
Aug 14 11:54:15 <pupnik> nice N800 - let the guys in #desmume know
Aug 14 12:00:14 <N800> wow
Aug 14 12:00:26 <three-> wow?
Aug 14 12:00:27 <N800> desmume at a whopping 92 cpu usage
Aug 14 12:00:34 <N800> 38 on memory
Aug 14 12:00:36 <N800> lol
Aug 14 12:00:41 <three-> nice
Aug 14 12:00:47 <N800> bad..
Aug 14 12:00:58 <N800> n800 might blow up if im not careful
Aug 14 12:01:10 <pupnik> emus should use all available cpu
Aug 14 12:04:58 <pupnik> N800 try a game that uses 3d
Aug 14 12:05:12 <N800> hmmm
Aug 14 12:05:23 <pupnik> get any other apps running?
Aug 14 12:05:31 <N800> that would definitely blow my n800 up
Aug 14 12:05:43 <N800> windDS
Aug 14 12:06:02 <N800> a little program base game
Aug 14 12:06:25 <N800> it has p tic tac toe notes, calculator
Aug 14 12:06:31 <N800> a couple of more things
Aug 14 12:13:38 <pupnik> wow hildon comes from the Psion folks according to theregister
Aug 14 12:13:53 <whaq> http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/14/japan.biker.reut/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
Aug 14 12:14:49 <robtaylor>  lol, the register in opinionated cluelessness shocker!
Aug 14 12:22:47 <pupnik> well as far as i'm concerned windows (and windows mobile) is 'The Ultimate Evil'.
Aug 14 12:28:54 <pupnik_> oh rehi... T-Online shop in germany lists the Nokia 800 Internet Tablet - Mobiltelefon
Aug 14 12:40:34 <straind`> Has anyone had any success with connecting to a bluetooth device via serial?
Aug 14 12:44:59 <pupnik_> Openmoko online shop: Sold out!
Aug 14 12:45:01 <pupnik_> :)
Aug 14 12:48:00 <gla55_> how many they had?
Aug 14 12:48:32 <pupnik_> dunno, but i'm rooting for them
Aug 14 12:58:08 <pupnik_> the neo is a good deal uglier than iphone though :/  the bezel on the side of the screen is too bulky
Aug 14 12:58:21 <pupnik_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/491095441/
Aug 14 12:58:51 <pupnik_> probably good for stability/protection tho
Aug 14 12:59:44 <pupnik_> without the case: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/494571426/in/photostream/
Aug 14 13:00:28 <bipolar> The production version is going to have WiFi too...
Aug 14 13:00:55 <gla55_> designwise yea i don't think much of the neo
Aug 14 13:01:08 <gla55_> not hw-featwise either tho
Aug 14 13:01:20 <gla55_> hsdpa spoiled
Aug 14 13:09:03 <pupnik_> of course with a tablet... just need UMTS for mobile data - and the benq-siemens EF81 is under 100 euro now
Aug 14 13:10:34 <Crofton|home> koen, for 2430sdp, I renamed u-boot bb file to u-boot-omap2430sdp_1.2.0.bb
Aug 14 13:10:46 <Crofton|home> how can I specify that u-boot  in machine file?
Aug 14 13:10:47 <N800> pupnik
Aug 14 13:10:48 <_Monkey> pupnik is here
Aug 14 13:10:53 <Crofton|home> arg
Aug 14 13:10:59 <N800> neopop 60fps
Aug 14 13:11:11 <pupnik_> what frameskip?
Aug 14 13:11:11 <N800> screen is way too small. for usage
Aug 14 13:11:17 <N800> fps
Aug 14 13:11:47 <pupnik_> ohh
Aug 14 13:14:09 <kulve> lardman: some questions about the dsp stuff.. Do you have a minute?
Aug 14 13:15:25 <lardman> kulve: yep, fire away
Aug 14 13:17:04 <N800> good frameskip on it
Aug 14 13:17:16 <N800> yeah this is a good one.
Aug 14 13:17:19 <kulve> lardman: about block transfers
Aug 14 13:18:15 <lardman> kulve: yes
Aug 14 13:18:27 <kulve> lardman: if the data is short * (16bit) on the ARM side and I transfer it to dsp side and handle it as char * (16bit), do I need to make any conversions?
Aug 14 13:19:07 <lardman> kulve: no, but you may as well handle it as short on the DSP side as char==short on the DSP (would mean fewer changes to the code and make it more understandable)
Aug 14 13:19:42 <kulve> ok. And the byte order is the same?
Aug 14 13:20:05 <lardman> for shorts, yes...
Aug 14 13:20:13 * lardman looks for the docs to check that out
Aug 14 13:20:32 <lardman> I guessed for the G.711 and it came out right, so the ARM and DSP should be the same
Aug 14 13:20:34 <kulve> I tried to find some docs telling that but failed to find anything useful..
Aug 14 13:20:43 <lardman> I have something, let me do some digging
Aug 14 13:23:06 <kulve> lardman: and I have e.g. char[256] and transfer it to DSP side, I have char[128] there, with 16bit chars, and I need to make some bit shifting to get char[256] where only the 8bits of each 16bit chars would be used?
Aug 14 13:23:11 <kulve> +if
Aug 14 13:24:11 <lardman> yes that's what you'd have to do. I don;t know whether making a larger array to pass of 8bits in 16bit variables would be slower than doing this on the DSP or vice versa
Aug 14 13:25:09 <lardman> did that make sense, pretty confusing now I read it
Aug 14 13:25:26 <kulve> it did :)
Aug 14 13:25:43 <kulve> I'm not needing that at least now, just want to know how things work..
Aug 14 13:25:55 <kulve> i.e. I'm working with 16bits
Aug 14 13:26:20 <kulve> other question. Is there some sort of memory allocation functions for dsp..?
Aug 14 13:26:57 <zaf> the openmoko have bluetooth?
Aug 14 13:29:06 <lardman> kulve: Dunno, but I presume so, there's a c/c++ programming guide for the DSP. Take a look here: http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/psheets/man_dsp.htm
Aug 14 13:29:47 <lardman> scroll down to the section starting "TMS320C55x DSPs"
Aug 14 13:30:31 <kulve> I actually opened the c55 user guid. It included >700 pages ;)
Aug 14 13:30:35 <kulve> +e
Aug 14 13:31:03 <lardman> Right, take a look at the DSPgateway spec pdf, search for the Endianism section
Aug 14 13:31:45 <lardman> http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/pub/3.3.1/DSP_Gateway331_spec_a.pdf
Aug 14 13:32:08 <lardman> got to pop out, ask away and I'll answer when I get back
Aug 14 13:34:47 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Aug 14 13:34:48 <kulve> lardman|afk: how about tctl command return variables? What should I return in TCTL_TINIT error?
Aug 14 13:45:58 * pupnik_ is away 
Aug 14 13:48:32 <lardman|afk> kulve: look at p78 of the DSP gateway spec
Aug 14 13:48:52 <lardman|afk> kulve: says which of the TCTL commands should or shouldn't return values
Aug 14 13:49:11 <lardman|afk> kulve: I think init should return zero or an error code (which is defined)
Aug 14 13:50:36 <lardman|afk> I'm having second thoughts about malloc() etc,
Aug 14 13:51:19 <kulve> hmm.. Where do I find the defined error IDs..?
Aug 14 13:51:53 <kulve> tokliBIOS.h
Aug 14 13:52:21 <lardman|afk> kulve: p60, look at EXMAP if you need to define buffers at runtime (I think...)
Aug 14 13:53:19 <lardman|afk> also p98
Aug 14 13:53:23 <kulve> well, I think I'll manage without those..
Aug 14 13:53:33 <lardman|afk> What are you writing then?
Aug 14 13:53:47 <kulve> I'm trying to get speex running..
Aug 14 13:53:53 <lardman|afk> cool
Aug 14 13:53:57 <kulve> currently speex_encoder_init fails
Aug 14 13:54:03 <kulve> and It doesn't do much
Aug 14 13:54:22 <lardman|afk> what's the failure?
Aug 14 13:54:34 <kulve> it returns null..
Aug 14 13:54:34 <lardman|afk> compile or runtime?
Aug 14 13:54:37 <kulve> runtime
Aug 14 13:54:49 <kulve> I haven't yet added any debug "prints" there
Aug 14 13:55:07 <lardman|afk> Is that on the DSP-side or the ARM-side
Aug 14 13:55:07 <lardman|afk> ?
Aug 14 13:55:21 <kulve> dsp side
Aug 14 13:55:34 * lardman|afk should take a look at the Speex code rather than asking silly questions
Aug 14 13:55:54 <kulve> the c5x port of speex uses char array to replace malloc
Aug 14 13:56:15 <disq> btw we released Kagu Media Player 1.0.5 today, fixes some perm errors in 1.0.4 and some more enhancements from trunk
Aug 14 13:56:15 <lardman|afk> with a pre-existing maximum size?
Aug 14 13:56:49 <kulve> hmm.. Actually the speex_alloc has fprints inside VERBOSE_ALLOC defines which I undeffed.. I need to change those to DBG()s to see if they fail..
Aug 14 13:57:22 <kulve> static char spxHeap[SPEEX_PERSIST_STACK_SIZE];
Aug 14 13:57:25 <lardman|afk> Are you block sending?
Aug 14 13:57:30 <kulve> yes
Aug 14 13:57:44 <kulve> but that actually now fails already in init
Aug 14 13:57:48 <lardman|afk> I have a feeling that word sending (for commands) with shared memory might be a better way to do it
Aug 14 13:58:05 <lardman|afk> that's the way the Nokia dsp sinks appear to work
Aug 14 13:58:30 <kulve> I think I don't need to send any commands..
Aug 14 13:58:44 <lardman|afk> well, to get it to stop and start perhaps?
Aug 14 13:58:59 <lardman|afk> or pause
Aug 14 13:59:13 <kulve> it initializes on open and dies on close
Aug 14 13:59:26 <kulve> no need for pause
Aug 14 13:59:26 <lardman|afk> fair enough
Aug 14 13:59:36 <kulve> I just feed the data to it and get it back encoded
Aug 14 14:01:02 <kulve> but I'll add the debugs and see if they tell me more
Aug 14 14:01:24 <lardman|afk> I had some failures because I'd mixed up the task type flags
Aug 14 14:01:38 <lardman|afk> they resulted in the task not starting up
Aug 14 14:01:41 <kulve> lardman|afk: btw. what sized data types there are? char = short = 16bit. Int? long double?
Aug 14 14:01:53 <kulve> mine does start, I see that from the debugs
Aug 14 14:02:00 <lardman|afk> that's all in the c/c++ programmers guide iirc
Aug 14 14:03:22 <lardman|afk> p118 (5-2) of that guide (called spru281f.pdf)
Aug 14 14:03:27 <kulve> I find only " TMS320C55x Optimizing C/C++ Compiler User's Guide"
Aug 14 14:03:54 <lardman|afk> that's the one
Aug 14 14:04:09 <lardman|afk> users of compilers are programmers in my view ;)
Aug 14 14:04:09 <kulve> "optimizing compiler" sounds scary ;)
Aug 14 14:04:23 <lardman|afk> p122 for the table
Aug 14 14:06:31 <lardman|afk> I see there's complete ASM for a JPEG decoder in spra615.pdf. For an earlier DSP, but looks interesting
Aug 14 14:07:00 <lardman|afk> away again
Aug 14 14:10:57 <kulve> lardman: thx
Aug 14 14:11:02 <lardman> kulve: np
Aug 14 14:39:31 <Shurik_> morning
Aug 14 14:39:32 <_Monkey> aloha
Aug 14 14:39:55 <Shurik_> anyone able to install and run Kagu on n800?
Aug 14 14:43:26 <procto> Shurik_: I was
Aug 14 14:43:42 <Shurik_> for some reason it never launches for me
Aug 14 14:43:55 <Shurik_> Loading Kagu and then nothing after several seconds. Strange
Aug 14 14:44:12 <procto> are you running the player or the scanner?
Aug 14 14:44:22 <procto> I've only run it like 3-5 times
Aug 14 14:44:31 <procto> but for some reason, I've run the scanner application first every time
Aug 14 14:44:37 <procto> the scanner would launch and close right away
Aug 14 14:44:41 <procto> but then the media player would run fine
Aug 14 14:44:45 <procto> (it would ask me if I want to scan)
Aug 14 14:45:13 <Shurik_> hmm
Aug 14 14:45:20 <Shurik_> I tried either one
Aug 14 14:46:18 <Shurik_> so not sure
Aug 14 14:46:37 <Shurik_> I'm okay with mediaplayer, but just wanted to see what it does
Aug 14 14:52:44 <lardman> Shurik_: Launch it from xterm and see what it says?
Aug 14 14:53:03 <Shurik_> ooh interesting. Let me try
Aug 14 14:53:09 <Shurik_> I got to reinstall it though ^)
Aug 14 14:53:52 <Shurik_> what is typical location for installed programs?
Aug 14 14:54:59 <lardman>  /usr/bin
Aug 14 14:55:16 <Shurik_> well now it runs all by itself
Aug 14 14:55:21 <Shurik_> wicked
Aug 14 14:55:52 <Shurik_> pretty
Aug 14 14:55:56 <lardman> Might be worth trying to start from the menu again and then looking at the contents of the .desktop file if it doesn't work
Aug 14 14:56:23 <Shurik_> damn, doesn't read utf-8 tags
Aug 14 14:56:35 <Shurik_> although something need to be done to ID3 before it can
Aug 14 14:57:22 <Shurik_> I like it
Aug 14 14:57:54 <Shurik_> no, now it runs fine... wicked
Aug 14 14:59:36 <Shurik_> alright, it must be a phenomenon known as "developer's presence"
Aug 14 15:12:39 <Luria> lol
Aug 14 15:12:47 <Luria> https://www.delta.com/myitinerary/servlet/MyItineraryServlet?cmd=searchBySm
Aug 14 15:13:08 <Luria> check out the favicon
Aug 14 15:13:09 <Shurik_> ?
Aug 14 15:13:26 <Shurik_> hmmmmmm
Aug 14 15:13:36 <Shurik_> svastika? :)
Aug 14 15:13:44 <Luria> looks like sun to me
Aug 14 15:15:49 <Shurik_> yes, it is sun
Aug 14 15:15:51 <Shurik_> good eye
Aug 14 15:21:17 <bergie_> http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/maemo_social_news_launched.html
Aug 14 15:22:25 <Nermal> hum
Aug 14 15:22:39 <Nermal> scrolling down on that page gives me lots of the bottom navbars
Aug 14 15:25:09 <kupsit> Hello
Aug 14 15:25:47 <kupsit> N800 user here. Lovin it
Aug 14 15:40:07 <straind`> cfxstftscdfcfcfdgerrrryetyteytgyyetreytgvryyrtyvtryrtetrvfyrfyerfyehr
Aug 14 15:40:23 <straind`> cdxsfdw5rere6r635t6etvgsfatwre
Aug 14 15:40:44 <straind`>      opd
Aug 14 15:40:56 <Shurik_> straind: oh yeah?
Aug 14 15:40:56 <_Monkey> yeah is there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :)
Aug 14 15:41:40 <straind`>  jopujjhtyuiopiuuuioooiuuytrewqqqacvgvgvvddszxzdeerrffdsacccbvvbnmmbhgy
Aug 14 15:42:00 <Shurik_> okay, tell your cat to get off the keyboard
Aug 14 15:42:15 <straind`>  opd
Aug 14 15:42:43 <straind`>   gfug8y8tyb58tyu58698yu69b8u8utyu8utut8u8gut9urgt9ub9u8b9utribtrutghtuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Aug 14 15:43:11 <straind`> micahel
Aug 14 15:43:32 <straind`> emily
Aug 14 15:43:39 <Shurik_> frogpad?
Aug 14 15:44:15 <straind`> dyddyyuilkhgfytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytyttttttttttttttttt
Aug 14 15:44:59 <straind`>  opd
Aug 14 15:45:07 <straind`>  gfdytsgfdytsgygytegyrfye
Aug 14 15:45:43 <straind`> gytfdyduyfhuty5967b58kit10234567890111213222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222
Aug 14 15:46:16 <mgedmin> straind`: there's a cat on your keyboard
Aug 14 15:46:18 <sparrw> i wish the 770 made a noise immediately when it started to boot...  would be nice feedback when im not looking at it
Aug 14 15:46:29 <straind`> []][][][][[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''';;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,...........................................................................///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////gg
Aug 14 15:46:39 <straind`> h
Aug 14 15:47:01 <Shurik_> cat that knows Alt+ sequences
Aug 14 15:47:39 <straind`>  opdfghuytrr7er7ey7rfyeyreyty7ytr7yt57ygyrgyegyeytgtygytgvrrrrrvgvrgvcgfccccccccccccccvfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Aug 14 15:48:38 <straind`> 098765432101111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111555555555555555555555555555555555555555555569999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999996666666666666666666666665888888888888888899999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999997777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777788888888888888888888888888
Aug 14 15:48:44 <straind`> gfyhfghudyhfruthurthi
Aug 14 15:49:04 <straind`>  opd
Aug 14 15:49:15 <Shurik_> and this is what happens when coffe with extra sugar is spilled onto the frogpad
Aug 14 15:49:19 <straind`>                                                                       fhuyhyurhuyhfdfudyhturthurthrturhtr
Aug 14 15:49:40 <straind`> uhyuhbyuhyudhfyudf                                                                                                                                                  hbhbhbvgvvvvvvvhhhhhhhbbnbhj
Aug 14 15:49:47 <X-Fade_> Ok, this gets annoying. I think someone is asking for a ban...
Aug 14 15:50:05 <straind`> Sorry.  My son got to the computer.
Aug 14 15:51:46 <straind`> My cat can't type names like that.
Aug 14 15:52:05 <X-Fade_> straind`: Open notepad and let him use that..
Aug 14 15:52:23 <straind`> I forgot to do it when I stepped away.
Aug 14 15:57:52 <c0ffee> tada
Aug 14 15:57:58 <c0ffee> works again :-/
Aug 14 15:58:05 <c0ffee> but i guess that's solved anyway :)
Aug 14 15:58:29 <qgil> log to https://maemo.org/news/ and fav!
Aug 14 15:59:23 <Abulafia> #maemo - you are being recorded for perpetuity...
Aug 14 15:59:28 <koen> qgil: password?
Aug 14 15:59:29 <_Monkey> password is "rootme" (change it instantly)
Aug 14 15:59:44 <qgil> your garage account
Aug 14 16:00:39 <c0ffee> with http, anonymous view is possible
Aug 14 16:01:01 <qgil> c0ffee: do you see the little hearets and fav counts?
Aug 14 16:01:05 <qgil> hearts
Aug 14 16:01:27 <c0ffee> when logged in, yes
Aug 14 16:01:36 <disq> _Monkey: good monkey
Aug 14 16:01:36 <_Monkey> disq: sorry...
Aug 14 16:02:16 <qgil> c0ffee: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1815
Aug 14 16:05:05 <c0ffee> as a newcomer joining #maemo, i'd prefer to see news without hearts instead a 403 w/o any help :)
Aug 14 16:08:41 <qgil> c0ffee: I don't get the joke :)
Aug 14 16:09:03 <disq> let me fav my fave app, kagu :P
Aug 14 16:11:16 <Abulafia> sigh... getting a touchscreen in linux to run isnt hard (from these docs).... but it aint fun.
Aug 14 16:16:02 <c0ffee> qgil, joke?
Aug 14 16:16:27 <c0ffee> qgil, i just meant that if somebody joins #maemo and reads the topic, and wants to see the news, all he gets as a 403
Aug 14 16:16:47 <c0ffee> qgil, so I'd rather put the http://maemo.org/news/ in the topic
Aug 14 16:17:26 <disq> i think you should get rid of https
Aug 14 16:17:38 <disq> just use it during authentication
Aug 14 16:19:13 <Abulafia> why
Aug 14 16:19:21 <Abulafia> https sessions are great
Aug 14 16:19:34 <Shurik_> :)
Aug 14 16:19:37 <disq> they're so sf.net
Aug 14 16:19:45 <disq> painfully slow
Aug 14 16:20:26 <Luria> well, when your router is down. and you cant vpn to a "safe" connection, i really appreciate perpetual https past authentication
Aug 14 16:21:05 <disq> keep https as an option but redirect to http after authentication by default
Aug 14 16:21:08 <disq> that's how google does it
Aug 14 16:21:13 <Luria> oh, and my home router is down, and i cant vpn to a safe connection at the mo :-(
Aug 14 16:21:41 <Shurik_> stop hiding things and be free of secure connections
Aug 14 16:21:55 <Luria> i know, ive had to pause post login on gmail to avoid broadcasting my inbox
Aug 14 16:22:24 <Luria> but with customize google, that doesnt happen
Aug 14 16:22:34 <disq> iirc if you open gmail as https it redirects back to https
Aug 14 16:24:17 <sparrw> is there an xterm for maemo that can emulate a terminal other than 'xterm'?  vt100, ansi, etc?
Aug 14 16:30:44 <timeless> anyone here speak russian? :)
Aug 14 16:30:53 <Shurik_> da
Aug 14 16:30:54 <Phil770_> da ?
Aug 14 16:30:56 <Phil770_> lol
Aug 14 16:31:03 <||cw> nyet
Aug 14 16:31:05 * Shurik_ seriously
Aug 14 16:31:18 <Shurik_> why?
Aug 14 16:31:43 <kulve> lardman|gone: got the initialization working :)
Aug 14 16:32:01 <lardman|gone> kulve: I'm not quite gone :)
Aug 14 16:32:08 <lardman|gone> kulve: What was wrong?
Aug 14 16:32:45 <kulve> the dsp port of the speex casted pointers to int
Aug 14 16:32:50 <kulve> which is only 16bit
Aug 14 16:33:21 <kulve> and pointers are 16, 23 or 24 (I'm not exactly sure how much)
Aug 14 16:33:25 <lardman|gone> ah, but the DSP runs in bigmem mode
Aug 14 16:33:32 <lardman|gone> so 16bit won't work
Aug 14 16:33:49 <lardman|gone> good to know
Aug 14 16:33:54 <kulve> in bigmem the pointer is 23 bits, I guess
Aug 14 16:34:34 <lardman|gone> not sure, I just assume the original code was written for non-bigmem
Aug 14 16:35:06 <lardman|gone> right, really do have to go now, I look forward to hearing your progress on the morrow
Aug 14 16:35:08 <lardman|gone> bye all
Aug 14 16:35:10 <kulve> can the mode be selected..?
Aug 14 16:35:17 <Shurik_> timeless: so what ya need?
Aug 14 16:35:22 <kulve> because the port is for that exact dsp (c5x)
Aug 14 16:35:29 <kulve> but not for dspgw
Aug 14 16:35:32 <lardman|gone> when you compile the kernel I think, bye
Aug 14 16:35:37 <kulve> bye
Aug 14 16:39:22 <timeless> bergie_: how do i get *rid* of the browser stuff from your social news thing? the stuff on garage just collects comments no one will read or answer.
Aug 14 16:39:22 <saaib> morning
Aug 14 16:39:23 <timeless> qgil: please include a url when you file bugs about pages... *grumble* please see how to file a bug <https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=website&component=News&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux>
Aug 14 16:39:23 <_Monkey> aloha
Aug 14 16:39:41 <timeless> note that you can get https: gmail iff you use the complete correct gmail url w/ https
Aug 14 16:39:53 <timeless> incomplete urls will get you redirected to http when you're done
Aug 14 16:40:09 <timeless> shurik: can you switch to russian localization and open help?
Aug 14 16:40:22 <timeless> i'm trying to decide exactly how to file (or get someone to file)
Aug 14 16:40:34 <timeless> a bug about the fact that the russian help is slightly broken
Aug 14 16:40:46 <Shurik_> let's see
Aug 14 16:41:29 <Shurik_> just regional settings or device language too?
Aug 14 16:41:39 <timeless> device language, sorry
Aug 14 16:41:45 <timeless> you need it to give you russian help
Aug 14 16:41:49 <Shurik_> rebooting
Aug 14 16:41:54 <timeless> technically if you know what you're doing, you can skip it
Aug 14 16:42:00 <timeless> but i don't feel like walking through that
Aug 14 16:42:19 * timeless frowns
Aug 14 16:42:24 <timeless> oh right, certman
Aug 14 16:42:45 <Shurik_> oh nice, device played USSR Hymn on start up
Aug 14 16:42:49 <Shurik_> I almost got up
Aug 14 16:43:07 <timeless> really? wow
Aug 14 16:43:12 <timeless> that's um....
Aug 14 16:43:14 <timeless> probably bad
Aug 14 16:43:16 <Shurik_> no, kidding
Aug 14 16:43:24 <Shurik_> alright, all locales in russian now
Aug 14 16:43:28 <Shurik_> I opened help
Aug 14 16:43:31 <Shurik_> what else?
Aug 14 16:43:42 <timeless> look toward kmaybe the bottom
Aug 14 16:43:49 <timeless> for an item that doesn't look very cyrillic
Aug 14 16:44:22 <timeless> you may need to do:
Aug 14 16:44:32 <timeless> app menu>third item(second cascadable)>
Aug 14 16:44:36 <Shurik_> all looks good
Aug 14 16:44:51 <timeless> >3rd item(first after separator)
Aug 14 16:45:18 <timeless> what os are you running?
Aug 14 16:45:25 <Shurik_> while in help, right?
Aug 14 16:45:40 <timeless> yes in help
Aug 14 16:45:40 <Shurik_> latest + SDHC patches
Aug 14 16:46:03 <timeless> in english, that's view>contents
Aug 14 16:46:11 <Shurik_> 4.2007.26-8
Aug 14 16:46:13 <timeless> i can pastebin the translation,i suppose
Aug 14 16:46:43 <Shurik_> I see no problems
Aug 14 16:46:52 <timeless> ok, there's a search field at the bottom, right?
Aug 14 16:46:56 <timeless> enter: Your Nokia
Aug 14 16:46:58 <Shurik_> Nokia invitation for a call is unnecessary abbriviated
Aug 14 16:47:03 <Shurik_> but other then that
Aug 14 16:47:04 <timeless> and search
Aug 14 16:47:10 <timeless> hrm
Aug 14 16:47:15 <timeless> are the items in English or Russian?
Aug 14 16:47:27 <Shurik_> russian
Aug 14 16:47:28 <timeless> I'm expecting them to be in russian
Aug 14 16:47:33 <timeless> except for a folder
Aug 14 16:47:41 <timeless> which according to the device i saw, and to the sources, isn't
Aug 14 16:47:49 <timeless> anyway, what did the search results say?
Aug 14 16:47:59 <Shurik_> 0 found
Aug 14 16:48:04 * timeless frowns
Aug 14 16:48:07 * timeless doesn't get it
Aug 14 16:48:15 <timeless> got xterm?
Aug 14 16:48:18 <Shurik_> yes
Aug 14 16:48:23 <mgedmin> short quiz: what's wrong with this picture: http://mg.pov.lt/media-player-is-insane.png ?
Aug 14 16:48:32 <timeless> dpkg -l help-contents
Aug 14 16:48:37 <timeless> i want to know what version you have
Aug 14 16:48:55 <timeless> 2:33, 3:41
Aug 14 16:49:44 <timeless> personally, i object to the blank between the overflow widget and the clock
Aug 14 16:49:52 <timeless> but that's from you using the cpu usage snapshotter
Aug 14 16:50:06 <Shurik_> 4.0-r4891 ?
Aug 14 16:50:13 <timeless> instead of xtemrm (sleep 10; osso-screenshot-tool ~/MyDocs/ug.png)
Aug 14 16:50:39 <timeless> shurik: hrm
Aug 14 16:50:40 <timeless> odd
Aug 14 16:51:50 <Shurik_> it is? :)
Aug 14 16:52:16 <timeless> the files i have don't specify the r version
Aug 14 16:52:30 <mgedmin> yes, there was an older version of load-applet that had a nice grayscale version of itself instead of an ugly blank that the current one produces in screenshots
Aug 14 16:52:36 <Shurik_> I have the latest, KGB approved files
Aug 14 16:52:44 <mgedmin> but the interesting bit is that media player thinks it's playing two different songs at the same time
Aug 14 16:53:18 <timeless> mgedmin: i could tell that from the times
Aug 14 16:53:28 <timeless> although i suppose i should have mentioned the two different plaing bits
Aug 14 16:53:31 <timeless> i think i've seen that
Aug 14 16:53:41 <mgedmin> if I knew how to reproduce this, I'd file a bug
Aug 14 16:53:44 <timeless> is it actually playing both? :)
Aug 14 16:53:59 <timeless> and have you installed sysklogd? :)
Aug 14 16:54:04 <mgedmin> no, it's playing one of the two
Aug 14 16:54:12 <mgedmin> although I don't remember which one
Aug 14 16:54:13 <timeless> which? :)
Aug 14 16:54:22 <mgedmin> it was a while ago, I just stumbled upon the screenshot just now
Aug 14 16:54:57 <mgedmin> I wanted to attach http://mg.pov.lt/notes-adria-toolbar-bug.png to a new bug report
Aug 14 16:55:14 <mgedmin> looks like a drawing bug with the toolbar widget
Aug 14 16:55:59 <timeless> no
Aug 14 16:56:00 <mgedmin> and maybe a layout bug as well (shouldn't the font dropdown be a little narrower to make all the other buttons fit?)
Aug 14 16:56:00 <timeless> that's known
Aug 14 16:56:05 <timeless> it's because you installed fonts
Aug 14 16:56:13 <mgedmin> ahh
Aug 14 16:56:14 <timeless> and the stupid font picker isn't size limited
Aug 14 16:56:17 <timeless> i believe they fixed that
Aug 14 16:56:21 <timeless> a bunch of us complained
Aug 14 16:56:31 <timeless> if you want to file a public bug, i'll tie it to an internal one
Aug 14 16:56:42 <timeless> heck, i could give you the internal number if you like :)
Aug 14 16:56:42 <mgedmin> I filed a public bug a moment ago
Aug 14 16:57:14 <mgedmin> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1818
Aug 14 16:57:46 <timeless> arg
Aug 14 16:57:50 * timeless can't find it!
Aug 14 16:57:53 * timeless curses
Aug 14 16:57:59 <mgedmin> heh
Aug 14 16:58:18 <mgedmin> does it matter much?  if it's fixed, it'll make its way into the next os release, right?
Aug 14 16:58:25 <mgedmin> and someone will close the public bug then
Aug 14 16:58:44 <timeless> yeah
Aug 14 16:58:50 <timeless> but i'd rather tie bugs sooner
Aug 14 16:58:54 <timeless> rather than risk them getting lost
Aug 14 16:59:00 <timeless> qa is underpowered
Aug 14 17:00:28 <timeless> iirc those are bulleted list and numbered list?
Aug 14 17:00:37 <mgedmin> one of them I don't remember
Aug 14 17:00:40 <mgedmin> the last one is "save"
Aug 14 17:00:42 <timeless> no, bulleted list and save
Aug 14 17:00:47 <mgedmin> which is the most important button of them all
Aug 14 17:00:59 <timeless> if you fullscren you can see them
Aug 14 17:01:03 * timeless frowns
Aug 14 17:01:05 <mgedmin> or if I change the theme
Aug 14 17:01:07 <timeless> where the heck is that bug
Aug 14 17:01:40 <mgedmin> is the internal bug about the size of the font picker, or about invisible icons in the popup?
Aug 14 17:01:46 <mgedmin> 'cause I think both ought to get fixed
Aug 14 17:01:58 <timeless> interesting question
Aug 14 17:02:04 <timeless> it's not that they're invisible
Aug 14 17:02:13 <timeless> it's that they're aligned / placed badly
Aug 14 17:02:19 <timeless> if you could examine offscreen right
Aug 14 17:02:22 <timeless> you'd see the buttons
Aug 14 17:02:38 <timeless> the reason that you see nothing is that the top one
Aug 14 17:02:42 <timeless> bullets, is checkable
Aug 14 17:02:44 * mgedmin pulls out a knife and tries to pull off the right bevel
Aug 14 17:02:50 <timeless> so all you see is the beginning (The empty checkmark)
Aug 14 17:03:00 <mgedmin> suddenly it makes sens
Aug 14 17:03:02 <mgedmin> e
Aug 14 17:03:05 <timeless> i think that notes was supposed to fix their code to be slightly smarter
Aug 14 17:03:24 <timeless> but maybe the bug moved out of notes?
Aug 14 17:03:39 <timeless> the general way to reproduce the bug is to install xterm
Aug 14 17:03:42 <timeless> since it pulls in the fonts
Aug 14 17:03:52 <timeless> specifically Bitstream Vera Sans Mono
Aug 14 17:05:28 <timeless> toolbar overflow popup mostly offscreen and useless
Aug 14 17:05:33 <timeless> is the internal bug
Aug 14 17:05:45 <timeless> sp3000 filed it
Aug 14 17:06:18 <timeless> int-51737
Aug 14 17:06:24 <timeless> feel free to file a public bug
Aug 14 17:06:30 <timeless> but if you're going to file it, and you should
Aug 14 17:06:38 <timeless> please include the steps to reproduce
Aug 14 17:06:51 <timeless> namely installing xterm (specify which xterm, the one that gets you that font)
Aug 14 17:07:04 <timeless> oh brother
Aug 14 17:07:06 <timeless> and please file it
Aug 14 17:07:19 <timeless> it got a low priority last month
Aug 14 17:08:21 <timeless> oh hold on
Aug 14 17:08:38 <timeless> 719
Aug 14 17:08:42 <timeless> is a public bug about this
Aug 14 17:08:54 <timeless> but that claims to be fixed
Aug 14 17:09:16 * timeless frowns
Aug 14 17:09:52 * timeless hates desyncd bug trackers
Aug 14 17:09:58 <mgedmin> hm
Aug 14 17:10:20 <timeless> ok, i've cc'd sp3000 to it
Aug 14 17:10:31 <timeless> maybe he can figure out why the public bug is in a different state
Aug 14 17:10:42 * timeless frowns
Aug 14 17:10:44 <mgedmin> regarding your "feel free to file a public bug" remark: I did, it's https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1818
Aug 14 17:11:14 <mgedmin> 719 looks similar, but my search for "notes toolbar" didn't let me find it
Aug 14 17:12:05 <timeless> yeah, well, my search for the notes bug didn't find it either
Aug 14 17:12:08 <timeless> on my side
Aug 14 17:12:19 <timeless> sometimes it's better to have a duplicate filed just to make finding bugs easier
Aug 14 17:12:32 <timeless> e.g. i deeply regret not filing a duplicate of sp3000's internal bug
Aug 14 17:12:41 <timeless> because finding mine would have been easier
Aug 14 17:13:14 <timeless> oh grumble
Aug 14 17:13:18 <timeless> your summary sucks
Aug 14 17:13:21 <timeless> i'd never find that either
Aug 14 17:13:30 <timeless> well, i'd find it, but only because i kept searching for toolbar
Aug 14 17:13:38 <timeless> "bug" is not valuable as words go
Aug 14 17:13:43 <timeless> "overflow" is valuable
Aug 14 17:13:52 * timeless resummarizes
Aug 14 17:14:08 <timeless> and why'd you file it in UI?
Aug 14 17:14:44 <mgedmin> where should I've filed it instead?
Aug 14 17:15:14 <timeless> notes? :)
Aug 14 17:15:39 <mgedmin> there's no such choice
Aug 14 17:15:47 <mgedmin> I suppose "utilities" is the one?
Aug 14 17:16:02 <mgedmin> also, I thought it was a more generic bug, probably not applicable to just notes
Aug 14 17:16:09 <mgedmin> which bug 719 confirms
Aug 14 17:16:09 <_Monkey> Bug 719 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719
Aug 14 17:16:10 <timeless> you filed it in desktop
Aug 14 17:16:27 <timeless> if you had filed it in n800 there'd have been a notes
Aug 14 17:16:28 <mgedmin> no I didn't, I filed it in UI
Aug 14 17:16:35 <mgedmin> huh?
Aug 14 17:16:44 <timeless> pj
Aug 14 17:16:46 <timeless> arg
Aug 14 17:16:50 * timeless should go home or sleep or something
Aug 14 17:16:52 <mgedmin> I filed it with https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800
Aug 14 17:16:54 * timeless curses
Aug 14 17:16:58 <timeless> yeah yeah, sorry
Aug 14 17:17:11 <mgedmin> :)
Aug 14 17:17:31 <timeless> yes, in the current scheme it belongs in Utiltieshttps://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=N800#Utilties
Aug 14 17:17:34 <timeless> er
Aug 14 17:17:37 <timeless> yes, in the current scheme it belongs in Utiltieshttps://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=N800#Utilities
Aug 14 17:18:10 <timeless> https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=N800&component=&format=guided&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux
Aug 14 17:18:16 <timeless> would help you see that (if you enable js)
Aug 14 17:19:09 <timeless> we're talking w/ quim about how to reorganize the products/components
Aug 14 17:19:23 <timeless> they're currently pretty bad :(
Aug 14 17:19:36 <timeless> they don't help end users, and they don't help engineers
Aug 14 17:23:53 <timeless> ok, i've set a dependency, i can't really use the alias field because it's currently taken
Aug 14 17:24:36 <timeless> hopefully sp3000 can bother someone about it tomorrow
Aug 14 17:59:49 <qgil> luria, disq, Shurik_ - the https is justified for the stuff users can do i.e. within garage like uploading new packages that could end up in people's devices - extra security is justified
Aug 14 18:02:11 <disq> qgil: so you're basically hogging hundreds of maemo.org and garage users (read-only users) for a few authentication-needed read-write operations like uploading files and posting news
Aug 14 18:02:25 <qgil> timeless: qgil: please include a url when you file bugs about pages... *grumble* - I do when it's a relevant page I reckon I don't do it when it's obvious (or I'm filking a bug from the tablet and/or in a hurry) - any example I could fix?
Aug 14 18:02:45 <timeless> the news bug you posted
Aug 14 18:02:59 <disq> of course people can use the http versions if they wanted to, but for instance they can't fav in http?
Aug 14 18:03:35 <timeless> it might be obvious to you, and it might be obvious to the person who will fix it
Aug 14 18:03:44 <timeless> but it is not obvious to someone searching for a bug about the site
Aug 14 18:04:40 <timeless> and it's not obvious to someone browsing through bugs
Aug 14 18:04:52 <timeless> especially given how fairly useless the descriptions of components are
Aug 14 18:04:56 <timeless> and the lack of links in them
Aug 14 18:05:03 <pv_> why doesn't kagu support ogg? not getting around to do it, or is there a reason?
Aug 14 18:05:25 <timeless> pv_: if you install ogg-gstreamer, does it not work?
Aug 14 18:06:10 <apple2> Has anyone tried the "boot from usb" option of the hacked initfs?
Aug 14 18:07:22 <qgil> disq: let me find what "hogging" means exactly  :)
Aug 14 18:08:39 <disq> qgil: slow page load times, more load on the server
Aug 14 18:09:00 <qgil> disq: the idea is that anonymous users can read anything
Aug 14 18:09:04 <disq> qgil: btw you should also turn on gzip compression if you haven't already
Aug 14 18:09:13 <qgil> disq: caching takes cares of that besides https
Aug 14 18:09:36 <qgil> sorry, caching takes care of http and http should be enough to read anything
Aug 14 18:09:48 <disq> yeah but there is really not much to protect, except file releases and submitted passwords. why make them https and keep the rest http?
Aug 14 18:09:50 <pv_> timeless: from the code it seems to svan only for mp3's, so not a gst problem
Aug 14 18:09:54 <qgil> then if you need to do additional actions like uploading a deb package you need to have an account
Aug 14 18:10:13 <pv_> aha,  "FIXME: add support for ogg" :)
Aug 14 18:10:48 <qgil> disq: I agree the http https relations needs improvement, but why a read.only user needs to jump to https? can ypou provide an example?
Aug 14 18:10:50 <mgedmin> ogg support out of the box in the next n800 firmware would be a big PR win for Nokia among open-source developers
Aug 14 18:12:07 <pv_> yep, I was quite surprised oggs didn't work in the builtin player
Aug 14 18:12:11 <timeless> qgil: ack
Aug 14 18:12:18 * timeless generally can't /msg replyy
Aug 14 18:12:48 <timeless> pv: sigh
Aug 14 18:13:02 <timeless> pv: does it work in iTunes or iPod?
Aug 14 18:13:12 <timeless> and does it work in Zune?
Aug 14 18:13:23 <timeless> companies are afraid, very afraid
Aug 14 18:13:33 <pv_> of patents?
Aug 14 18:13:37 <timeless> if you want to see apple afraid, there's a public list showing them afraid of it
Aug 14 18:13:38 <timeless> yes
Aug 14 18:13:50 <pv_> that I can see
Aug 14 18:14:09 <timeless> qgil: referencing apple should be fine
Aug 14 18:14:35 <mgedmin> wasn't nokia lobbying for software patents in europe?
Aug 14 18:14:45 <disq> qgil: there are in fact three classes of users. anonymous, logged in member/user/fanboy, and contributor
Aug 14 18:14:51 <timeless> mgedmin: that's a question we definitely can't answer :)
Aug 14 18:15:27 <disq> qgil: what i'm saying is you should only keep the login and the contributor-only pages https
Aug 14 18:15:41 <qgil> ooops will come later
Aug 14 18:17:47 <timeless> http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-March/010392.html
Aug 14 18:21:00 <pv_> got to love the submarine war. unfortunately it's not restricted to the US
Aug 14 18:27:57 <qgil> disq: so, what is a page not subject to contributors? any url
Aug 14 18:28:34 <trevarthan> anyone want to help me write some code to turn off the screen programatically?
Aug 14 18:28:53 <timeless> trevarthan: just use the suid bit and the vesa thing i mentioned at the beginning
Aug 14 18:29:00 <timeless> it should "just work"
Aug 14 18:29:51 <disq> qgil: news-voting. wiki-editing. no need for https there.
Aug 14 18:30:05 <trevarthan> If anyone is curious what timeless is talking about, here's the conversation from last night: http://www.pastebin.ca/657240
Aug 14 18:30:20 <trevarthan> timeless: I'd prefer to not do suid.
Aug 14 18:30:43 <qgil> disq: so you mean https for login and then back to http being remembered wiuth cookie or something
Aug 14 18:30:54 <disq> qgil: yeah
Aug 14 18:31:03 <disq> session cookie
Aug 14 18:31:28 <timeless> that's useless
Aug 14 18:31:32 <timeless> i can steal your cookie
Aug 14 18:31:37 <timeless> and then impersonate you
Aug 14 18:31:41 <qgil> disq: in fact I asked henri from the Midgard crew something like this and he told me (if I remember corectly) that they would look at it
Aug 14 18:31:44 <timeless> you have two choices
Aug 14 18:31:51 <timeless> either make the cookie only valid for most operations
Aug 14 18:31:56 <timeless> in whcih case, it'll work
Aug 14 18:32:11 <timeless> or try to assign the cookie an ip range restriction
Aug 14 18:32:16 <disq> keep client's ip adress in a session var just for extra security. ip changes, redirect to /login
Aug 14 18:32:17 <timeless> that fails horribly for people w/ proxies
Aug 14 18:32:27 <florian> re
Aug 14 18:32:29 <timeless> disq: ^^
Aug 14 18:32:38 <timeless> disq: been there, tried that
Aug 14 18:32:44 <timeless> bugzilla used that for a while
Aug 14 18:32:49 <timeless> people really hate it when they use proxies
Aug 14 18:32:51 <timeless> and guess what
Aug 14 18:32:56 <timeless> nokians all use proxies
Aug 14 18:33:07 <qgil> disq: the conversation started because of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1562
Aug 14 18:34:06 <disq> at least try turning on gzip compression if you haven't already
Aug 14 18:34:27 <qgil> disq: to tell you the truth I have no idea - I'll ask
Aug 14 18:34:32 * timeless wonders if maemo suppresses caching :)
Aug 14 18:34:47 <trevarthan> I agree with konttori's cookie idea.
Aug 14 18:35:00 <trevarthan> keep it simple.
Aug 14 18:35:46 <disq> btw you guys should also write a script to clean broken links in the wiki docs
Aug 14 18:35:53 <timeless> voted cookie assigned to logged in users is broken
Aug 14 18:36:00 <timeless> some of us use a number of browsers or devices
Aug 14 18:36:11 <timeless> if you assign a field into the database, that's one thing
Aug 14 18:36:11 <disq> lots of docs are broken just because maemo.org changed infra what, 3 times now?
Aug 14 18:36:19 * timeless chuckles
Aug 14 18:36:25 <trevarthan> so what? you really think someone is going to vote spam?
Aug 14 18:36:32 <timeless> no
Aug 14 18:36:43 <timeless> personally, i've neutralized voting wherever i've gone
Aug 14 18:36:43 <qgil> disq: maemo.org had the same site since the beginning until this year afaikj
Aug 14 18:37:01 <qgil> trevarthan: if you read the comment you'll see I agree with you  :)
Aug 14 18:37:11 <qgil> the comments in the bug I mean
Aug 14 18:37:27 <trevarthan> yeah. you're Quim, I guess.
Aug 14 18:37:42 <timeless> personally, i think it's trivial to just have two buckets
Aug 14 18:37:46 <timeless> ratings from logged in people
Aug 14 18:37:50 <timeless> and ratings from annonymous
Aug 14 18:37:57 <timeless> if you get more than X logged in votes
Aug 14 18:38:06 <timeless> then you can drop the anon votes
Aug 14 18:38:14 <qgil> timeless: you are the one always insisting in providing feedback to bugs - be my guest
Aug 14 18:38:15 <timeless> that way anon people can promote things
Aug 14 18:38:31 <timeless> qgil: i try things out on people first
Aug 14 18:38:42 <timeless> if people don't like it here, i'd sooner not leave a record in the bug :)
Aug 14 18:38:51 <timeless> (and yes, i know there's a log for the entire channel)
Aug 14 18:38:57 <trevarthan> I think we need to limit timeless's sentence spam in maemo.org. :)
Aug 14 18:38:59 <timeless> (but people don't have to read it, people do have to read the bug)
Aug 14 18:39:14 <trevarthan> Can you use cookies in IRC?
Aug 14 18:39:24 <timeless> you can use channel keys
Aug 14 18:39:28 <trevarthan> j/k, of course.
Aug 14 18:39:28 <timeless> channel knocks
Aug 14 18:39:34 * trevarthan runs away
Aug 14 18:39:35 <timeless> channel invites/whitelists
Aug 14 18:39:48 <timeless> that's about it in terms of server features
Aug 14 18:39:50 <trevarthan> hey... now you're doing it on purpose...
Aug 14 18:39:58 <timeless> you asked for it =b
Aug 14 18:40:01 <trevarthan> lol
Aug 14 18:40:23 <qgil> disq: about the wiki /me secretly thinks today that we should simply ddrop most pages, keep it simple and link to ITT wiki
Aug 14 18:40:38 <timeless> ++qgil
Aug 14 18:40:50 <timeless> less content = less bugs
Aug 14 18:41:03 <disq> great idea :P
Aug 14 18:41:04 <trevarthan> I agree with qqil.
Aug 14 18:41:27 <qgil> keep maemo wiki for collaboration on stuff that will end up affecting maemo for real i.e. the current discussion about sections, tags etc
Aug 14 18:41:28 <disq> so, mke2fs /dev/sda1 on maemo.org? mkreiserfs? ext3?
Aug 14 18:41:41 <qgil> the maemo wiki is a good place for document the progress made on the mailing list
Aug 14 18:41:48 <qgil> one day that becomes official, welcome
Aug 14 18:41:54 <sparrw> gah
Aug 14 18:42:07 <sparrw> xterm on the 770 doesnt seem to do anything other than xterm terminal emulation
Aug 14 18:42:17 <sparrw> and thats like the ONE terminal that doesnt work with my sco unix server
Aug 14 18:42:27 <timeless> sparrw: what should it do?
Aug 14 18:42:33 <qgil> in fact it was mostly sparr who started with the idea of giving priority to itt wiki
Aug 14 18:43:02 <sparrw> qgil: i have changed my mind  :)
Aug 14 18:43:20 <sparrw> timeless: vt100, linux, pc420, wyse50, ANY protocol other than xterm...
Aug 14 18:43:25 <sparrw> ansi
Aug 14 18:43:27 <qgil> sparr can you share your changelog ?  ;)
Aug 14 18:43:29 <timeless> heh
Aug 14 18:44:02 <timeless> qgil: like anyone can actually parse changelogs
Aug 14 18:44:03 <sparrw> qgil: neg(*)
Aug 14 18:44:31 <timeless> we tried getting an n800 to do that last night, it failed miserably :(
Aug 14 18:45:59 <qgil> http://maemo.org/news/ alogorythm starts to work even if we have almost no votes: the latest new hasn't hit the top of the news main page but falls in the 4th position
Aug 14 18:46:34 <qgil> if you guys could log in and fav your preferred items now, the page would probably change considerably
Aug 14 18:47:16 <timeless> calendar and 300 were the only ones i saw change
Aug 14 18:47:35 <timeless> mostly jitter
Aug 14 18:48:47 <qgil> timeless: now we have no history and almost no votes, as soon as we get more archive and votes the moves are expected to be more fluent and logical
Aug 14 18:49:03 <timeless> qgil: is this dig like?
Aug 14 18:49:07 <timeless> or digg whatever
Aug 14 18:49:18 * timeless doesn't understand the point
Aug 14 18:49:27 <timeless> and in bug 1562
Aug 14 18:49:28 <_Monkey> Bug 1562 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1562
Aug 14 18:49:33 <qgil> not only digg, it is based in other factors, read Henri's article currently at the top to know more
Aug 14 18:49:36 <timeless> are you talking about downloads (1..5) score
Aug 14 18:49:36 <sparrw> you want us to 'fav' individual stories?  that adds them to our fav list?  why would we use such a list?
Aug 14 18:49:57 <timeless> or are you saying 0/+1
Aug 14 18:49:59 <qgil> you fav stories to push them up in the ranks
Aug 14 18:50:15 <timeless> how does an old story fall away?
Aug 14 18:50:19 <qgil> timeless the formula to get the karma is more complex that this
Aug 14 18:50:23 <timeless> time relative to last fav?
Aug 14 18:50:57 <qgil> it takes in account votes, time since publishing, karma inherited from technorati (or something like this, now I don't remember clearly) - many factors
Aug 14 18:51:48 <sparrw> qgil: yes, but you also fav them to add them to your fav list...  whats the point of that list?
Aug 14 18:53:07 <qgil> timeless: the point is that currently there are in fact a lot of news / posts / images / videos tagged maemo elsewhere, and this is a mechanism to get not only all that in volumes but also a daily snapshot of the most interesting
Aug 14 18:53:49 * timeless tries to figure out how that relates to planet
Aug 14 18:54:00 <timeless> (which browser still hasn't managed to reach?)
Aug 14 18:54:34 <qgil> sparrw in principle the idea is that you might want to change your mind - you might also want to go back to that link you remember you liked but you don't remember...
Aug 14 18:54:52 <timeless> google :)
Aug 14 18:55:00 <timeless> everyone should just browse links using google :)
Aug 14 18:55:07 <timeless> it'll remember ;)
Aug 14 18:55:09 <qgil> dunno, is a beta of something that, in brief, hasn't been applied in community projects before - or not that we know - so just try and tell us what you like, what you miss, what you think hasn't got a point
Aug 14 18:55:11 <sparrw> qgil: make it ajax, so i dont have to load TWO pages every time i want to fave something, then ill consider it
Aug 14 18:55:38 <qgil> sparrw I agree, I was about to file a bug / enhancement request
Aug 14 18:55:43 <timeless> does clicking a heart fav it today, or just let me try to fav it?
Aug 14 18:55:47 * timeless couldn't figure that out :)
Aug 14 18:56:15 <qgil> timeless: your favs are your favs - just like your stars are your stars in google mail and many other examples
Aug 14 18:56:29 <qgil> "try to fav"? I don't understand
Aug 14 18:56:44 <timeless> qgil: in google mail, if i click a star, it says "you've starred this"
Aug 14 18:56:47 <c0ffee> this fav is your fav
Aug 14 18:56:50 <c0ffee> this fav is my fav
Aug 14 18:56:52 <timeless> when i clicked the heart, i got some strange input
Aug 14 18:57:01 <c0ffee> from maemo garage to maemo planet
Aug 14 18:57:03 <c0ffee> lalala...
Aug 14 18:57:09 <timeless> and couldn't figure out if that meant
Aug 14 18:57:18 * timeless sends c0ffee to an island
Aug 14 18:57:42 <qgil> timeless: do you mind filing a but about this unclear step? I agree with you
Aug 14 18:58:00 <timeless> lemme finnish this comment
Aug 14 18:58:02 <timeless> then i'll file
Aug 14 18:59:52 <trevarthan> k-s[WORK]: you around?
Aug 14 19:00:19 <timeless> qgil: is this news or something else?
Aug 14 19:00:25 <qgil> now only the first 3 entries have extended text, but it looks we could have it for th whole top 10 in the body
Aug 14 19:00:32 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: yep
Aug 14 19:00:43 <qgil> timeless: what do you mean?
Aug 14 19:00:49 <timeless> this bug you want me to file
Aug 14 19:01:02 <timeless> remember, i really don't have a clue how maemo.org is organized :)
Aug 14 19:01:03 <qgil> it's website > news
Aug 14 19:01:09 <timeless> ok
Aug 14 19:01:12 <qgil> well, you are in the "News" section
Aug 14 19:01:25 <trevarthan> k-s[WORK]: I tried installing the iphone kb demo. got an error
Aug 14 19:01:28 <timeless> no, i lost that web page about 5 pages and 10 mins ago
Aug 14 19:01:32 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: which error?
Aug 14 19:01:48 <trevarthan> http://www.pastebin.ca/657293
Aug 14 19:02:14 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: I was doing packages in too hacky way, I'm trying to fix the packaging right now
Aug 14 19:02:24 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: you should install efl-core and python-efl-core
Aug 14 19:02:34 <trevarthan> they're installed.
Aug 14 19:02:49 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: sure?
Aug 14 19:03:06 <k-s[WORK]> ls -l /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/evas
Aug 14 19:03:06 <trevarthan> http://www.pastebin.ca/657296
Aug 14 19:03:47 <trevarthan> ls: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/evas: No such file or directory
Aug 14 19:04:23 <k-s[WORK]> ouch
Aug 14 19:04:31 <k-s[WORK]> dpkg -L efl-core
Aug 14 19:04:40 <k-s[WORK]> actually
Aug 14 19:04:44 <k-s[WORK]> dpkg -L python-efl-core
Aug 14 19:05:13 <trevarthan> all I get is '/.'
Aug 14 19:05:24 <k-s[WORK]> fsck
Aug 14 19:05:27 <trevarthan> the first one gives results, second, not so much
Aug 14 19:07:29 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: the damn package is empty
Aug 14 19:08:16 <trevarthan> yeah. that's not cool.
Aug 14 19:08:23 <k-s[WORK]> I'll fix, brb
Aug 14 19:13:57 <timeless> qgil: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1820
Aug 14 19:14:45 <qgil> timeless: thanks a lot
Aug 14 19:16:21 <keesj_> I need to find a way to manage my evenings
Aug 14 19:16:58 <keesj_> every time I take so long getting started :(
Aug 14 19:18:00 <keesj_> k-s[WORK]: what configure do you use for evas? I have this ./configure --enable-software-16-x11 --prefix=/usr but it's not complete
Aug 14 19:18:19 <keesj_> k-s[WORK]: what configure do you use for evas? I have this ./configure --enable-software-16-x11 --prefix=/usr but it's not complete
Aug 14 19:19:20 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: it will take a bit longer, power failure here ruined the compile
Aug 14 19:19:22 <k-s[WORK]> keesj_: check maemo-efl svn, there you have my configure.addopts
Aug 14 19:20:21 <keesj_> k-s[WORK]: from googlecode?
Aug 14 19:20:27 <k-s[WORK]> keesj_: no, garage
Aug 14 19:21:35 * trevarthan wanders off to talk to the receptionist
Aug 14 19:21:37 <k-s[WORK]> keesj_: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/scripts/?root=maemo-efl
Aug 14 19:30:12 <keesj_> thanks k-s building as we speak
Aug 14 19:35:22 <k-s[WORK]> keesj_: I was about to change "debian/" to be able to build evas/ecore engines selectively
Aug 14 19:38:30 <keesj_> ecore failed with _m4_divert_diversion > google -> Don't use autoconf 2.52
Aug 14 19:39:21 <keesj_> autoconf is on 2.13 in sbox :P
Aug 14 19:39:52 <k-s[WORK]> keesj_: weird
Aug 14 19:39:57 <k-s[WORK]> I run it fine here
Aug 14 19:40:18 <k-s[WORK]> 2.13 here too
Aug 14 19:42:19 <keesj_> I have copied the maemo-efl/scripts/e17 to the e17 cvs co of today
Aug 14 19:43:24 <keesj_> never ming I will try to find the answer myself !
Aug 14 19:43:27 <keesj_> mind
Aug 14 20:11:26 <k-s[WORK]> keesj_, trevarthan: I've uploaded new packages
Aug 14 20:11:31 <k-s[WORK]> could you check?
Aug 14 20:16:57 <pupnik_> flash!  ah-ahh!
Aug 14 20:17:11 <k-s[WORK]> pupnik_: ?
Aug 14 20:17:23 <pupnik_> there was a funny queen song about flash gordon
Aug 14 20:17:48 <pupnik> FLASH!  ah-ahhhh!
Aug 14 20:19:00 <pupnik> hey k-s[WORK] do you want to work on a fast snes emulator with me?
Aug 14 20:19:12 <k-s[WORK]> pupnik: no time :-(
Aug 14 20:19:44 <pupnik> ok thanks... i'd really like to meet some of the maemo people someday
Aug 14 20:19:53 <pupnik> i feel great kinship with y'all :)
Aug 14 20:20:00 <k-s[WORK]> pupnik: we'll have bossa event next year, you should come
Aug 14 20:20:22 <k-s[WORK]> will be hosted in a beautiful beach here in Brazil, great hackers, etc..
Aug 14 20:20:24 <k-s[WORK]> :-)
Aug 14 20:21:29 <k-s[WORK]> http://www.bossaconference.org/  <-- this year version, the first one
Aug 14 20:21:41 <pupnik> dragging my flesh to another part of the earth is too expensive for me right now
Aug 14 20:22:02 <pupnik> i am vashti from 'the machine stops'
Aug 14 20:22:36 <trevarthan> Hey, does BREW or J2ME work on maemo?
Aug 14 20:22:49 <gla55_> brew certainly not
Aug 14 20:23:01 <gla55_> haven't been keeping up on the java side of things
Aug 14 20:23:05 <pupnik> Vashti isolated herself-it was necessary, for neither day nor night existed under the ground
Aug 14 20:23:06 <gla55_> if there's a vm good enough then yes..
Aug 14 20:23:09 <trevarthan> My company is thinking about doing some phone development. I don't know anything about what people use. Which one is most popular?
Aug 14 20:23:21 <gla55_> pupnik: you've mentioned machine stops before?
Aug 14 20:23:24 <pupnik> She thought, "I have not the time."
Aug 14 20:23:25 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: fortunately no :-D
Aug 14 20:23:33 <gla55_> or i wonder if i saw a reference to it somewhere else a little while ago
Aug 14 20:23:56 <trevarthan> Have you guys ever dealt with BREW or J2ME before?
Aug 14 20:23:56 <pupnik> yes gla55_ - prophecy
Aug 14 20:24:04 <pupnik> i mention it every few weeks
Aug 14 20:24:15 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: fortunately not more than necessary :-D
Aug 14 20:24:29 <pupnik> i do not wish to board the airship
Aug 14 20:24:56 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: these techs will not apply to maemo, it's more for a desktop/laptop (old-age, 5-10 years ago) than a phone
Aug 14 20:25:03 <pupnik> Vashti was seized with the terrors of direct experience. She shrank back into the room, and the wall closed up again.
Aug 14 20:25:39 <k-s[WORK]> trevarthan: have you checked the new packages? *_indt4*
Aug 14 20:26:47 <trevarthan> k-s: not yet. I got pulled into a meeting and redirected to work on mobile device software due to someone around here noticing my interest in maemo. :)
Aug 14 20:27:39 <trevarthan> not that they're the same thing, but management doesn't really realize that. And I'm fine with it.
Aug 14 20:28:14 <trevarthan> pupnik: what the heck are you reciting?
Aug 14 20:28:55 <pupnik> one of the most visionary short stories of the 20th century - written in 1905-1909 (differeing accounts)
Aug 14 20:28:59 <pupnik> predicted irc culture
Aug 14 20:29:27 <trevarthan> got a link?
Aug 14 20:29:41 <pupnik> yes but goddamn firefox won't remember the hilighted url
Aug 14 20:30:49 <pupnik> http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/prajlich/forster.html
Aug 14 20:31:08 <pupnik> it dehilights it as soon as firefox loses window focus (as in synergy use)
Aug 14 20:31:20 <thebigz> Does anyone know wifi settings files are? Specificly I need to find where my WEP-PSK is kept, my work connection is not working, I think it is because the PSK is being copy/pasted wrong
Aug 14 20:31:21 <trevarthan> Where the heck would I go to talk to someone who has previous experience with embedded phone app devel? Not really an open source friendly environment...   maybe the symbian folks?
Aug 14 20:31:30 <madam> hello all.  do you happen to know the status of EDS (evolution data server) over dbus?  can i expect it to work?
Aug 14 20:31:37 <gla55_> trevarthan: i've done some j2me
Aug 14 20:31:45 <gla55_> trevarthan: and i do symbian for living
Aug 14 20:31:57 <trevarthan> private message coming up. :)
Aug 14 20:34:57 <madam> thebigz: gconftool-2 -R / | grep -i wepkey1
Aug 14 20:44:23 <Phil770_> does anyone know if anything vaguely like Netstumbler exists in a version that can be used on the 770 ?
Aug 14 20:47:18 <pupnik> no never and you will be reported to the police
Aug 14 20:47:34 <pupnik> this is a hacker tool illegal in germany since may 2007
Aug 14 20:53:48 <MoRpHeUz> Phil770_: maybe kismet ?
Aug 14 20:56:02 <Phil770_> kismet ?
Aug 14 20:56:02 <_Monkey> kismet is probably http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user or http://kismetwireless.net/code/kismet-svn-devel-n800.deb but don't complain if it doesn't work
Aug 14 20:56:13 <Phil770_> I love that bot.
Aug 14 20:58:00 <pupnik> MITM?
Aug 14 20:58:01 <_Monkey> somebody said MITM was a 'Monkey in the middle' attack to compromise secure communications: http://monkey.org/~dugsong/dsniff/faq.html
Aug 14 20:58:51 <pupnik> this is also illegal
Aug 14 20:59:34 <pupnik> i know the people in this channel would prefer to ignore politics
Aug 14 20:59:38 <pupnik> the problem is...
Aug 14 20:59:45 <pupnik> POLITICS WON'T IGNORE YOU
Aug 14 21:01:45 <sp3000> sure it does, it's called arbitrary enforcement
Aug 14 21:01:52 <MoRpHeUz> =)
Aug 14 21:03:34 <timelyx> sp3000: so what's with that menu bug? :)
Aug 14 21:04:08 <sp3000> the toolbar overflow menu or the mozilla trunk dialog focus mess?
Aug 14 21:04:45 <timelyx> the former
Aug 14 21:04:55 <timelyx> haven't heard about the latter
Aug 14 21:05:10 <sp3000> apparently the former is fixed-for-next-major-release, the latter I need to test enn's patch for
Aug 14 21:05:47 <sp3000> hmm, trunk tbird's biff toaster faded out but didn't go away, how creative
Aug 14 21:46:57 <N800> hello
Aug 14 21:46:59 <N800> sss
Aug 14 21:48:27 <unique311> _Monkey, where's pupnik?
Aug 14 21:48:28 <_Monkey> somebody said pupnik was here
Aug 14 21:48:41 <unique311> _Monkey, seen pupnik?
Aug 14 21:48:42 <_Monkey> pupnik was last seen on #maemo 48 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: POLITICS WON'T IGNORE YOU [Tue Aug 14 21:58:27 2007]
Aug 14 21:56:38 <pupnik> huh
Aug 14 21:57:28 <pupnik> i bet you compiled a new awesomt thing
Aug 14 22:04:41 <orakle> heh
Aug 14 22:04:48 <orakle> is it wpa_supplicant/xsupplicant? :)
Aug 14 22:08:58 <unique311> pupnik, its an emu, and i know you have most of the emus
Aug 14 22:09:20 <unique311> you can get controls to work
Aug 14 22:33:51 <TimRiker> Some of my gmail accounts don't work on the nav. any idea why? I setup 2 test accounts exactly the same (cept for username and password). one can login, the other cannot. I can log in as either on the web based gtalk from a pc.
Aug 14 22:34:05 <TimRiker> s/nav/n800/
Aug 14 22:34:06 <infobot> TimRiker meant: Some of my gmail accounts don't work on the n800. any idea why? I setup 2 test accounts exactly the same (cept for username and password). one can login, the other cannot. I can log in as either on the web based gtalk from a pc.
Aug 14 23:24:38 <Aorthoirnokia> xterm?
Aug 14 23:24:38 <_Monkey> somebody said xterm was the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced
Aug 15 00:15:10 <trevarthan> timeless: I just got this from sp3000: `dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:silent-locked-dim`
Aug 15 00:15:31 <trevarthan> Running that will lock the screen and turn it off, but then it turns back on and goes dim, not off.
Aug 15 00:15:42 <trevarthan> Any way to just shut it off without locking it?
Aug 15 00:25:02 <rhys> i need a bluetooth keyboard that i can type with on my lap
Aug 15 00:25:23 <rhys> college lecture hall and their tiny tiny thingys for writing. anyone know one that will work with the n800?
Aug 15 00:26:51 <trevarthan> ThinkOutside/iGo keyboard works. Sorta. The Fn key doesn't work, but for most things you can work around it.
Aug 15 00:27:07 <Sulis> i like my thinkoutside keyboard
Aug 15 00:27:36 <Sulis> trevarthan: what do you mean the Fn key doesn't work?
Aug 15 00:28:08 <trevarthan> Maybe you don't have the one with the dedicated number row?
Aug 15 00:28:15 <trevarthan> I mean it doesn't work.
Aug 15 00:29:03 <Sulis> no, i don't have one with a dedicated number row, and both of my function keys work
Aug 15 00:29:19 <trevarthan> I've got the stowaway model
Aug 15 00:29:29 <trevarthan> I think
Aug 15 00:29:40 <Sulis> that's the one i have
Aug 15 00:29:54 <trevarthan> stowaway sierra?
Aug 15 00:30:24 <Sulis> uh, i'm gonna say no...although i'm not at all sure
Aug 15 00:30:49 <trevarthan> folds in half or quarters?
Aug 15 00:31:09 <trevarthan> mine folds in quarters
Aug 15 00:31:37 <Sulis> mine folds in half, one side just slides underneath the other
Aug 15 00:32:04 <trevarthan> Yeah, definitely different model. Well, that's good to know though. I should have gotten your model. :)
Aug 15 00:32:25 <trevarthan> I don't really recommend the Sierra. It can be maddening at times.
Aug 15 00:33:02 <Sulis> the only time i get annoyed with this one is when i think i'm gonna get a symbol by pressing shift and a number key...
Aug 15 00:33:21 <Sulis> i obviously just get an uppercase letter
Aug 15 00:33:39 <rhys> so wait
Aug 15 00:33:56 <rhys> sulis has  the one that folds in half
Aug 15 00:33:58 <rhys> it works
Aug 15 00:34:01 <rhys> quarters doesnt work
Aug 15 00:34:03 <rhys> remember that
Aug 15 00:34:04 <rhys> :)
Aug 15 00:34:17 <trevarthan> quarters works, but it doesn't work the way it should work.
Aug 15 00:34:38 <trevarthan> To get the Esc key, you do Alt+Esc instead of Fn+Esc as is labeled.
Aug 15 00:35:00 <trevarthan> To get PGUP, you do Shift+Up instead of Fn+Up as labeled.
Aug 15 00:35:02 <trevarthan> etc...
Aug 15 00:35:23 <trevarthan> And sometimes it really freaks out and your Enter key won't work. But only sometimes.
Aug 15 00:35:38 <Sulis> i can imagine some key clobbering might happen under those circumstances
Aug 15 00:35:41 <rhys> ....
Aug 15 00:36:06 <trevarthan> Yeah. I keep it around for emergencies, but I really try to stay off it because it's maddening.
Aug 15 00:36:52 <rhys> Sulis, http://cgi.ebay.com/iGo-Think-Outside-Stowaway-BLUETOOTH-mini-Keyboard-N800_W0QQitemZ140146171656QQihZ004QQcategoryZ48676QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Aug 15 00:36:54 <rhys> that one?
Aug 15 00:37:16 <Sulis> umm, i'm on my laptop without graphics atm
Aug 15 00:37:37 <trevarthan> rhys: yeah, I think that's the one that works
Aug 15 00:37:45 <rhys> Sulis, problems/
Aug 15 00:37:46 <rhys> ?
Aug 15 00:38:09 <Sulis> perhaps, my kde doesn't start properly
Aug 15 00:38:37 <trevarthan> rhys: this is the
Aug 15 00:38:43 <trevarthan> "bad" one: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Think-Outside-Universal-Sierra-Bluetooth-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ140147022215QQihZ004QQcategoryZ48676QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Aug 15 00:38:58 <rhys> Sulis, theres your problem. KDE. :D xfce amigo. fluxbox. ffs, twm!
Aug 15 00:39:36 <trevarthan> rhys: whatever. I'm running KDE. works fine
Aug 15 00:39:57 <Sulis> kde has some nice things about it
Aug 15 00:40:15 <rhys> yea yea i know. i just like to propaghandiaze my own.
Aug 15 00:40:19 <Sulis> these nice things are the reason i use it, before that i used evilwm
Aug 15 00:40:34 <matmo> tips for getting set up for dev'ing on 2007HE?
Aug 15 00:40:39 <trevarthan> Any Nokians around with access to dbus documentation or dsme source code? Starving programmer needs some help.
Aug 15 00:40:42 <rhys> kde does. i just dislike the interface idea. reminds me of windows. i find that inefficent
Aug 15 00:41:04 <matmo> i mean "for 2007HE"
Aug 15 00:41:22 <trevarthan> matmo: got the SDK?
Aug 15 00:41:33 <matmo> trevarthan: which one?
Aug 15 00:41:49 <matmo> i'm looking at the maemo pages, just not sure
Aug 15 00:41:50 <trevarthan> :) the one for 2007HE, I guess...
Aug 15 00:42:00 <matmo> not clear to me
Aug 15 00:42:08 <trevarthan> I don't think it's clear to anyone.
Aug 15 00:42:12 <rhys> kk. im bidding on that igo
Aug 15 00:42:22 <matmo> i'm on the garage page also... no files released
Aug 15 00:42:47 <rhys> time to go
Aug 15 00:43:11 <trevarthan> matmo: try the scratchbox VM maybe? http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702
Aug 15 00:43:29 <matmo> trevarthan: thanks, checking it out now
Aug 15 00:48:00 <matmo> trevarthan: jeez, it's a gig download! I already have a Puppy VM and was hoping to use that if poss.
Aug 15 00:48:36 <trevarthan> well, good luck finding the right SDK download link then. Took me a while and the help of a Nokian to get it all set up.
Aug 15 00:48:48 <trevarthan> I'd just go with the VM if I had it to do over again.
Aug 15 00:49:09 <matmo> messy?
Aug 15 00:49:39 <trevarthan> Not really. Just not clear. At all. Once you get going, it's rather easy. But getting going is hard.
Aug 15 00:50:14 <trevarthan> I'm not incredibly stupid either. I usually don't have trouble with stuff like that. I think they go out of their way to make it difficult. :)
Aug 15 00:50:45 <Sulis> perhaps they want to weed out the riff raff :P
Aug 15 00:50:47 <matmo> I'm willing to give it a go, just not sure which is the right one for HE.
Aug 15 00:51:12 <trevarthan> Sulis: perhaps. And perhaps their website is just a mess. I think it's the latter.
Aug 15 00:51:27 <matmo> Maybe but at least it is there. I seen a few co's who won't cough up the src without a fight
Aug 15 00:51:46 <Sulis> you must have the zen of perfect googling....
Aug 15 00:51:48 <Sulis> or something
Aug 15 00:51:49 <_Monkey> i think something is wrong with the compilation
Aug 15 00:53:00 <trevarthan> matmo: this page seems to mention the same files I have on my disk: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8241
Aug 15 00:53:03 <trevarthan> give that a try.
Aug 15 00:53:14 <matmo> ok
Aug 15 00:54:11 <matmo> that apply to the 770 also?
Aug 15 00:54:15 <trevarthan> Here's one from Nokia (may or may not be more/less helpful): http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt
Aug 15 00:54:24 <trevarthan> matmo: you got a 770?
Aug 15 00:54:40 <matmo> yep (sry should have said earlier)
Aug 15 00:54:45 <trevarthan> damn.
Aug 15 00:54:54 <trevarthan> I've got an n800. I have no idea on the 770.
Aug 15 00:55:08 <trevarthan> You doing C/C++?
Aug 15 00:56:23 <matmo> 770/800 - I'm assuming not much difference? C/C++ - don't know yet. ATM my interest is getting started hacking the Squeak VM (works on 770 but missing some stuff)
Aug 15 00:56:46 <trevarthan> mmm.. yeah, there are important differences.
Aug 15 00:57:03 <trevarthan> I don't think the OSes are always binary compatible.
Aug 15 00:57:35 <trevarthan> If you're doing something high level like Python, then it doesn't matter, but C/C++, you'll have to get the right scratchbox.
Aug 15 00:58:21 <matmo> yep, hence trying to get the right info before I end up wasting days :-)
Aug 15 00:59:07 <matmo> once I get a usable Squeak VM I probably won't do much C/C++
Aug 15 01:00:23 <trevarthan> pupnik: you around?
Aug 15 01:00:29 <trevarthan> everyone seems out
Aug 15 01:00:51 <trevarthan> pupnik has scratchbox for the 770. he should be able to help, if he's around.
Aug 15 01:01:53 <trevarthan> If not, keep trying every hour or two. Or try the mailing lists. Things are bursty around here. Most of the Nokians are asleep right now.
Aug 15 01:01:59 <matmo> ok, I'll check back later. Off to browse the dozen pages already opened. Keep thing I'm getting there but not sure. Thanks for the pointers
Aug 15 01:02:21 <matmo> thing/thinking
Aug 15 01:11:55 <frosty> Hi
Aug 15 01:14:37 <frosty> I can't get MPlayer to work on OS2007HE, which I've just installed on my 770
Aug 15 01:15:28 <frosty> I installed it from the 2007 repos, initially, but that was an n800 version and it didn't seem to want to play
Aug 15 01:15:45 <frosty> so I grabbed the latest 770 version from the mplayer garage page
Aug 15 01:16:20 <frosty> but that a) didn't add an application entry to the menus, and b) segfaults when i try and run it from the commandline
Aug 15 01:17:00 <frosty> does anyone know how i can get this to work?
Aug 15 01:19:32 <trevarthan> frosty: I don't know, and everyone 770 related seems to be asleep atm.
Aug 15 01:19:45 <trevarthan> frosty: try mailing the maintainers on the garage page?
Aug 15 01:19:58 <trevarthan> or mail the list, or ITT?
Aug 15 01:22:48 <frosty> sounds like a plan - thanks :)
Aug 15 02:59:20 <raynedev> I'm curious, is it in any way possible to develop for the Nokia 770 platform from Mac OS X?
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