**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 16 02:59:57 2007 Aug 16 03:12:21 DaniloCesar: I'm wondering the same thing. Aug 16 03:14:12 sparr: you got ogg working in Kagu? Aug 16 03:44:42 Hey, anyone here using pidgin on OS 2006? Aug 16 03:46:13 I just got my 770, used this guide: http://dragon-gaming.com/blog/?p=11#more-11 , but when I try to refresh the package list I get the error 'Unable to refresh list.Last refreshed list is shown.'. What is going wrong/how can I get pidgin working Aug 16 03:46:37 the ability to talk to my aim/msn friends was the selling point for me, and now it isn't working Aug 16 03:57:19 BigMac: check the log and see what repository is giving you problems Aug 16 03:57:35 then check your spelling Aug 16 03:57:36 solmumaha: Where is the log? Aug 16 03:57:54 check package manager menus Aug 16 03:58:04 it's there somewhere Aug 16 04:01:59 I found it, now I just have to upload it somewhere Aug 16 04:03:16 it should tell you what repo is causing problems Aug 16 04:03:58 then check you have typed that repository correctly in package manager Aug 16 04:04:10 rafb.net/p/r1y52m32.html Aug 16 04:05:13 hmm, can you surf the net with it? :) Aug 16 04:06:22 looks like a dns-problem to me Aug 16 04:07:09 Yes I can surf fine Aug 16 04:12:18 well try to remove http://idefix.go-nix.ca/ from the list Aug 16 04:12:25 path seems to be wrong Aug 16 04:12:49 then try updating lists again Aug 16 04:18:45 ok Aug 16 04:19:14 you might want to try this page too: http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php?lang=en Aug 16 04:19:28 install all repositories for 770 Aug 16 04:20:11 there's also a repository for pidgin Aug 16 04:20:25 that didn't solve it Aug 16 04:20:28 add those and try to install pidgin via package manager Aug 16 04:20:42 well just remove the repositories you added Aug 16 04:20:50 and try to refresh after that Aug 16 04:21:03 and then go through that page Aug 16 04:21:16 but it still seemed like a dns-problem to me Aug 16 04:21:19 Ok, and do I actually put the | or not? Aug 16 04:21:30 which is weird if you can surf with it Aug 16 04:22:19 no, just click on the link with opera, it will install repositories automatically Aug 16 04:23:12 oh ok, and how do I click links on the 770, because the only way I have found is hit the link like ten times till an orange box shows up, then like 4 more after that Aug 16 04:27:40 hmm, sounds bad Aug 16 04:27:59 its only some links Aug 16 04:28:04 these work fine Aug 16 04:28:30 well if your nokia is under a heavy load, it's very unresponsive Aug 16 04:29:35 you could try installing minimo too, works better with certain pages than opera Aug 16 04:30:48 Well, which do you prefer? And will I still be able to use that globe to open minimo? Aug 16 04:31:06 I have one more problem after we fix this Aug 16 04:34:18 minimo installs its own icon to the menu, globe still starts opera Aug 16 04:34:39 Ok, and which do you prefer? Aug 16 04:35:01 I use swiftweasel on my box, so I am mozilla slanted, but opera is working finr Aug 16 04:35:03 fine Aug 16 04:35:49 are people still using minimo? Aug 16 04:36:14 Is it bad? Aug 16 04:36:38 There's a gecko back-end for the Nokia browser now. Aug 16 04:37:10 on 770? Aug 16 04:37:14 derf:does it come preinstalled, or how do i update to the newer one? Aug 16 04:37:20 Oh, 770? I dunno. Aug 16 04:37:23 Maybe not. Aug 16 04:37:53 minimo works fine too, it's a good backup if opera fails Aug 16 04:38:05 grrr Aug 16 04:38:18 Isn't it all open source, though? Aug 16 04:38:23 You'd think it could be ported. Aug 16 04:38:29 Ok, my other problem was does anyone know how to get the kinetic scrolling and the better touchpad installed on the 770? Aug 16 04:39:06 kinetic scrolling? (other than on the single kagu application) Aug 16 04:40:18 I saw a video of it on youtube Aug 16 04:40:57 it was supposed to be a python script that allows scrolling similar to the iphone Aug 16 04:41:00 yeah, it's that one application, not a general kinetic scrolling capability for all applications. Aug 16 04:42:08 OH, that would be neat though Aug 16 04:44:55 Can canola stream music from my linux computer in some way? Aug 16 04:46:18 solmumaha: There is no pidgin Aug 16 04:46:46 the pidgin repo is for the n800 Aug 16 04:47:51 good morning Aug 16 04:49:41 Eh, it isn't worth it, I will just install gaim Aug 16 05:06:15 hmpf Aug 16 05:06:35 so i gave up on open wifi spots. or at least connecting to one... Aug 16 05:07:01 so i stuck a second card in my machine. lets see how well windows handles this. Aug 16 05:07:20 i guess i missed the minimo discussion... Aug 16 05:14:03 well, that sorta worked. Aug 16 05:28:10 Hey, how can I stop gtalks applet from opening in the dock every time? Aug 16 05:28:13 I don't use it Aug 16 05:30:33 BigMac, Home->Select Applet Unselect that applet Aug 16 05:31:21 ok Aug 16 05:32:11 saaib: I mean the applet in my tray Aug 16 05:32:21 little orb that is red or green or yellow Aug 16 05:36:25 I'm a gaim novice and I'm trying to use maemo-gaim-protocol-irc 1.5.0-8bora1 to connect to this channel on my n800, Aug 16 05:36:56 you need the maemo gaim package Aug 16 05:37:02 your language package Aug 16 05:37:19 then you setup your server prefererences Aug 16 05:37:25 hen go to join chat Aug 16 05:37:25 but I'm getting "Missing protocol plugin for else58@irc.openprojects.net" Aug 16 05:37:32 and type in the channel Aug 16 05:37:46 oh idk then Aug 16 05:39:02 Well, I have gaim, gaim-data, and irc installed Aug 16 05:39:38 that's maemo-gaim{,-data,protocol-irc} Aug 16 05:53:43 I'm in from my n800. I think l had wrong node. Aug 16 05:56:49 what is the default lock code **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 16 06:01:56 2007 Aug 16 06:49:26 hello folks Aug 16 06:56:49 hi Aug 16 06:56:49 <_Monkey> what's up, timely Aug 16 06:58:25 fwiw (for the log record), there's no xpcom dbus component although one could be created (re GreySim) Aug 16 06:58:37 _Monkey: be quiet and eat your botsnack Aug 16 06:58:39 <_Monkey> :) Aug 16 07:00:01 derf / solmumaha: microb for 770 is coming, it needs a bit of testing and a blog entry Aug 16 07:02:36 derf: fwiw, unfortunately the nokia browser currently includes non open sourced parts (the user interface) and the apis are changed in lockstep, which means that an upgrade of the different pieces is required. and slightly more importantly, the flash that ships w/ 770 isn't compatible w/ anything but the hacked opera with which it came Aug 16 07:02:55 BigMac: the default lock code should be in the printed manual Aug 16 07:03:20 * timely wonders if the root password is there... Aug 16 07:06:07 I need to port a GTK SSH session manager to maemo Aug 16 07:06:22 is that an ssh-agent ui? Aug 16 07:10:32 Hello, i own an nokia N95 and use private and on work linux/gentoo. I want to ask if it were possible to get gentoo working on Nokia N800. I know, that i would need a week to get kde compiled, but thats no problem for me. Is something like that possible? Aug 16 07:11:33 I would like then using the N800 to come online with pidgin,xchat over bluetooth connected with my N95 (umts/hsdpa) and bluetooth keyboard and maybe bluetooth mouse. Aug 16 07:11:57 or watching some videos and everything else Aug 16 07:15:14 i ask me at the moment if it were possible to gent compiz-fusion running on N800. That would look perfect on such a smal device... Aug 16 07:18:35 it's not technically impossible Aug 16 07:18:43 i think someone was working on getting ubuntu to run on n800 Aug 16 07:19:16 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-547275.html?sid=a29be5c5f8087259c6215945cd3c9a83 Aug 16 07:19:27 is the "I'm feeling lucky" answer to your question Aug 16 07:20:57 timeless: using the new microb - holding down the stylus to get a "right-click" menu is a bit touch and go - it tries very hard to follow the link instead. Aug 16 07:21:58 (this is trying to cut and paste a youtube link so I can download it with uktube) Aug 16 07:23:15 timely, why is that technically inpossible? Aug 16 07:24:49 lubomir: did i say that? Aug 16 07:24:59 i am shure for example that when there were driver for the Intel 2200 gpu chip and someone had ported linux to dell x51 then compiz-fusion would work. the hardware have enough power to run quake3 arena? Aug 16 07:25:00 rwhitby: it's hard for me to keep track of all the different variations of bugs Aug 16 07:25:20 timely, oh, i read the sentence wrong ^^ Aug 16 07:25:30 lubomir: please don't do that :) Aug 16 07:25:55 what? Aug 16 07:27:08 here you can see running quake3 arena on dell x50/x51 Aug 16 07:27:09 http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/11/11/q3ce_powervr/ Aug 16 07:27:10 misread sentences ;-). I just woke up and have a headache/am tired/hungry Aug 16 07:27:44 n800 doesn't have gaming input controls... Aug 16 07:28:20 lubomir: There's no drivers for the powervr available, so at least currently anything 3D is going to be software (ie. no-go). Aug 16 07:29:04 lubomir: And people who should know tell that even with the drivers it wouldn't be as peachy as it might seem to be (whatever that really means) Aug 16 07:29:58 okay...,then gentoo without compiz-fusion ^^ Aug 16 07:31:07 i hope that will run after some time. That would be realy nice... Aug 16 07:31:25 by nice you mean it will run the battery down much faster? :) Aug 16 07:36:51 why would you ever run gentoo on an embedded device? Aug 16 07:38:39 because i trat linux learning with gentoo and never gone away of gentoo. i have tested some other distibutions but i do not like any one of them Aug 16 07:38:39 I mean, you could build binary packages in scratchbox or something to speed up the process, but what's the point of changing distros in the first place? Aug 16 07:39:29 debian is really easy to use, and I think the install that exists on the nokia devices are a lot more custom tailored for them than you think Aug 16 07:40:10 besides, in the end, it's all linux. You really shouldn't be scared by a different package manager Aug 16 07:40:28 easy to use...., that is not what i am searching for ^^ I like testing new svn versions, report bugs and and and Aug 16 07:41:28 Well, you made it sound like you were afraid debian's packaging system would be harder to use than portage, but I guess it's the opposite way? Aug 16 07:41:41 yes Aug 16 07:41:59 apt-get install foo' Aug 16 07:42:02 Are you a masochist, sir? Aug 16 07:42:04 grumble Aug 16 07:42:18 'apt-get install foo' vs. 'emerge foo' sounds like a draw for me ;) Aug 16 07:42:26 i know apt-get. i tell you that i have tested some other distibutions Aug 16 07:43:19 what projects would you be testing on your device? Aug 16 07:43:42 on what? on the n800 when gentoo runs then? Aug 16 07:44:26 zuh: no!. emerge foo is much better, 1 week later on the inside and you can use foo Aug 16 07:44:34 I'm telling you, a binary distro makes more sense for embedded devices. You build a binary package in scratchbox, copy it over, and install it. I'm betting you could do this with SVN versions, etc Aug 16 07:44:34 maybe 1month later on the outside :) Aug 16 07:45:30 with apt-get install, it's just 1 hours to deal w/ the dependency conflicts :) Aug 16 07:45:59 timely, maybe on N800, but not on normal computer. I had fun getting kde and everythnign else (openoffice was funny...) compiled on a 233mhz ibm thinkpad Aug 16 07:46:02 bldewolf: kinda depends on how big the patchset is and how much you care Aug 16 07:46:15 lubomir: this is #maemo, and you're talking about an n800 Aug 16 07:46:26 Using portage for building the distro wouldn't be a stupid idea, it just would not happen on the device. The (un)merging part could be done over ssh or something. Aug 16 07:46:41 your thinkpad probably has more available ram, more disk, and faster i/o Aug 16 07:47:04 a keyboard, too! Aug 16 07:47:18 oh yeah, and maybe a touchpad or mouse with a right mouse button? Aug 16 07:47:41 do you think installing linux from scratch could run on nokia n800? Aug 16 07:47:53 also, a wireless card that works with open source projects for secured wireless :-/ Aug 16 07:48:11 lubomir: nothing's impossible Aug 16 07:48:15 but the time spent isn't worht it Aug 16 07:48:21 if you have time, i've got dozens of projects Aug 16 07:48:29 ^^ Aug 16 07:48:36 good morning Aug 16 07:48:45 hi florian Aug 16 07:49:20 I think the bottom line is that regular applications won't work on Maemo devices. They just don't make sense. They assume you have a keyboard, can right click, etc. The real testing you would want to help out with would be with projects that target the devices, and those run the default install Aug 16 07:52:23 i have a tablet-pc and the only problem is, that its too heavy and too big to be portable as i want Aug 16 07:53:43 what's wrong with the debian based OS, though? Aug 16 07:55:17 i like using portage, using layman with compiz-fusion, setting use flags and compiler flags and everything other Aug 16 07:55:45 as an aside, /usr/portage is several hundred megs big, and wouldn't fit on the device. You could NFS mount it for installs/uninstalls, but you'd still have a problem with, say, /var/db being a hundred megs (at least, it is on my box). Still too big. Aug 16 07:56:00 bldewolf: What's wrong with not wanting to use a debian based OS ?-) Aug 16 07:56:26 zuh: should I answer that one? ;) Aug 16 07:56:46 kulve: No, or I'll paste you silly with the moldy strawberry ;) Aug 16 07:56:49 i would boot of course of a sdhc card ( i see thats possible on the "kde on N800" video) Aug 16 07:56:50 I think I accidentally stepped into the package manager war.... Aug 16 07:57:17 oh yeah! I forgot, I have a 770 so I'm limited to 2 gigs. Aug 16 07:59:52 8gb big gentoo system would be just enough for me. with reiserfs it would run on a fast sdhc card i think not tooo slow and be usable Aug 16 08:02:21 Running from SDHC is much faster than from the internal flash Aug 16 08:02:21 I don't understand your unmoving dedication to portage, I mean, I use it a lot too, but when all the libraries and the kernel are fixed, a binary distro just makes sense to me. Oh well, I have to go to bed, so...good luck Aug 16 08:02:52 bldewolf: You shouln't dismiss something just because it doesn't make sense to you ;) Aug 16 08:04:42 its funny here :D Aug 16 08:08:35 why not? Aug 16 08:18:56 Morning, all Aug 16 08:58:27 wow kobo deluxe is addictive Aug 16 08:59:07 new optimized settings giving nearly fullspeed playback on 770, turning off triple buffering helped Aug 16 08:59:19 as well as going to a point scaler and low sampling res for the music Aug 16 09:00:41 pupnik: What format is the music? Aug 16 09:01:06 .mid Aug 16 09:01:27 is there a new microb? Aug 16 09:02:13 pupnik: Yet another dsp task..? ;) Aug 16 09:02:20 im seeing an .8-3 in the package manager Aug 16 09:02:39 it's a custom music player in this case, but yes a GM midi synth in dsp would be useable by many many programs Aug 16 09:02:49 Luria: There was a new release a few days ago, not sure what the version was though Aug 16 09:03:25 * lardman wonders how hard midi decoding is... Google.... Aug 16 09:03:39 lardman: old dsps were very limited with registers, instructions and memory access Aug 16 09:03:44 is the 770 dsp more like a cpu now? Aug 16 09:03:54 (remembering the motorola 56k here) Aug 16 09:04:00 yeah, i thought that was .8-2 Aug 16 09:04:43 pupnik: It seems fairly CPU-like, but I'd never done DSP programming before this one so I've nothing to compare it with Aug 16 09:05:25 looks like there was a third microb update Aug 16 09:06:09 that wasnt mentioned on the news page Aug 16 09:11:17 what maemo package provides 'diff'? Aug 16 09:21:08 luria: -2 wasn't announced Aug 16 09:21:27 the changesbetween -1 and -3 were all described in the second announcement Aug 16 09:21:36 or at least, as best as i could Aug 16 09:21:52 oh odd Aug 16 09:22:11 we could keep that pattern and not announce -4, and then announce -5 Aug 16 09:22:20 that would keep a sort of odd consistency :) Aug 16 09:23:25 oh dear Aug 16 09:23:32 ;-) Aug 16 09:23:36 unfortunately, the device i use personally doesn't have the meta package at all, do that number doesn't mean anything to me Aug 16 09:24:07 i only noticed cause of the meta... Aug 16 09:24:26 but im always wary of upgrading Aug 16 09:24:55 * timeless tries updating Aug 16 09:25:08 i dont have sdk repo installed, but red pill is red pill Aug 16 09:25:42 i love the uk layout. why does the us one suck? Aug 16 09:26:06 thanks to whomever gave me that tip Aug 16 09:30:51 lardman: have you tried running anything on the dsp for a longer period of time? Like for a minute. Aug 16 09:31:39 kulve: No. Why? You having troubles? Aug 16 09:31:48 btw, timeless, thanks. microb is great now. still slower, but about as stable, and much much better. Aug 16 09:32:21 g'night all Aug 16 09:32:25 lardman: yup Aug 16 09:32:31 it get's stucked pretty quickly Aug 16 09:33:14 slows down or stops or crashes? Aug 16 09:33:17 stops Aug 16 09:33:22 and then the dsp is reseted Aug 16 09:33:26 because of poll timeout Aug 16 09:33:27 oh Aug 16 09:34:28 it needs to communicate with that task in the initfs? Aug 16 09:34:39 * lardman can't remember what it's called Aug 16 09:34:48 no, it's not that Aug 16 09:35:31 if a dsp task function takes over 10secs it need to disable dsp watchdog polling with some function. But mine shouldn't block for that long Aug 16 09:35:37 ah yes, I see Aug 16 09:35:53 section 8.1.3 Aug 16 09:36:12 but what is polling it? Aug 16 09:36:37 as the spec document says any ARM app can poll the DSP Aug 16 09:36:41 maybe the arm side kernel..? Or the dsp_dld Aug 16 09:37:04 but that's not the problem here. It just occurs because of the problem.. Aug 16 09:37:08 I was wondering if it's that reset daemon, the one you need to disable with the flasher if you screw up the GUI Aug 16 09:37:52 I would guess that it's the dsp_dld daemon that does the polling Aug 16 09:38:11 True Aug 16 09:38:21 Have you tried the disable function call? Aug 16 09:38:37 nope.. Aug 16 09:38:54 the debugs from the normal "give me more data" case: Aug 16 09:38:57 [48231.261657] requested new input buffer (160 bytes) Aug 16 09:38:57 [48231.261688] mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=54:01(KFUNC:PWR DSP /DOWN), data=0004 Aug 16 09:38:57 [48231.262817] mbox: sending seq=0, cmd=24:05(BKSNDP:task 5), data=0000 Aug 16 09:38:57 [48231.263732] mbox: receiving seq=1, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=003d Aug 16 09:38:59 [48231.263824] rcv_bksnd: got 160 bytes of data: 0x103b 0x1370 0x1292 0x0d5f Aug 16 09:39:16 and from the stucked version: Aug 16 09:39:17 48231.277008] requested new input buffer (160 bytes) Aug 16 09:39:17 [48231.278350] mbox: sending seq=0, cmd=24:05(BKSNDP:task 5), data=0000 Aug 16 09:39:17 [48232.815948] mbox: sending seq=0, cmd=32:00(POLL), data=0000 Aug 16 09:39:17 [48242.815673] omapdsp:mbcmd:3200(10000 ms) Aug 16 09:39:19 [48242.815704] omapdsp: poll error! Aug 16 09:39:44 I didn't find that cmd 54 (KFUNC:PWR DSP /DOWN) from the spec.. Aug 16 09:39:46 Is there a difference between the two, other than the runtime? Aug 16 09:40:02 cmd 54 is one difference Aug 16 09:40:22 it's there always (from dsp to arm direction?) but not on the last time Aug 16 09:40:28 hi all, just installed VMware appliance. Any pro's/con's to installing "Nokia Binaries"? Aug 16 09:41:18 matmo: I think you should install those.. I think there's no harm with them.. Aug 16 09:42:10 kulve: ok, do I need to close SB before installing? Aug 16 09:42:29 I'm not sure Aug 16 09:42:53 kulve: The power management stuff may not be in the spec, I suppose it's pretty specific to the hardware application Aug 16 09:43:27 lardman: I though so too.. Aug 16 09:43:46 lardman: and now I'm wondering if I should do something to it on init/close of the codec.. Aug 16 09:44:18 I would guess not.. Aug 16 09:44:52 the power management stuff? Aug 16 09:45:21 I imagine it's handled by the avs_kernel when there are no tasks left except for the lowest prioroty one Aug 16 09:45:33 or is the linux kernel specifically asks it to sleep Aug 16 09:45:38 s/is/if Aug 16 09:45:41 I hope so too Aug 16 09:46:24 that "pwr dsp down" just looks like the dsp task knows that it's idle because it just asked for data Aug 16 09:46:53 yep, that would make sense Aug 16 09:47:09 with your polling problem, is your code busy for >10s? Aug 16 09:48:43 it shouldn't be.. after that "requested new input buffer" the function is done and it should just return from it.. Aug 16 09:48:59 dbg(task, "init: requested new input buffer (%d bytes)", FRAME_SIZE * sizeof(short)); Aug 16 09:49:03 return 0; Aug 16 09:49:20 But you do have to specifically answer the poll Aug 16 09:49:33 hmm Aug 16 09:49:33 I've not run into this because all of my code is <10s long in total Aug 16 09:49:40 mine should be too Aug 16 09:49:47 they get stucked in a second.. Aug 16 09:50:43 Does the poll need a call back function registered, or does it come as a tctl message? Aug 16 09:52:09 the poll command should be automatically handled by the dsp kernel. But if my dsp task function can take over 10 secs then I need to disable it Aug 16 09:52:18 just read from the spec Aug 16 09:53:07 ah, that's why there's little mention then Aug 16 09:54:19 I wonder what happens if there a high priority task that is running, would that stop a lower priority task from answering Aug 16 09:54:33 I think not Aug 16 09:54:39 I know it says the kernel takes care of it, but what purpuse does that then serve? Aug 16 09:54:41 just guessing.. Aug 16 09:55:11 it checks that the dsp kernel is still running..? Aug 16 09:55:35 I think the whole dsp kernel is reseted because my task's poll problem.. Aug 16 09:55:36 why bother polling each task then? Aug 16 09:55:40 dunno.. Aug 16 09:56:08 and if you do poll each task, you'd presumably want the task to reply (even if automatically), so you know it's not stuck in a loop, etc Aug 16 09:57:01 p84 Aug 16 09:57:54 yep, I read that Aug 16 09:58:11 seems strange logic though Aug 16 09:58:36 and btw. the next page tells that bytes (16bits) moves nicely across the cpus, but long long (32bits) don't.. Aug 16 09:58:55 yep, that was the page I was pointing you to the other day Aug 16 09:59:11 I didn't have time to read it properly then.. Aug 16 09:59:31 30-35 fps in kobo deluxe... this game is incredibly well designed Aug 16 09:59:51 this is in 640x480 with background scrolling and a *lot* of sprites onscreen Aug 16 10:01:05 this is the first sdl game i've seen hit 30+ fps at 640x480 Aug 16 10:01:44 kulve: Does the dsp perform true multitasking? Aug 16 10:01:53 afaik, yes Aug 16 10:02:06 or, what do you mean by true multitasking? :) Aug 16 10:02:13 kulve: If not, and it just queues callbacks, then it could handle the polling and get an idea of whether each task is locked up Aug 16 10:02:29 I meant interupts and context switches Aug 16 10:02:39 I'm not sure it does do that though Aug 16 10:03:06 you can e.g. have encoder and decoder tasks running there "at the same time" Aug 16 10:03:31 yes, but what happens if one of these tasks takes >1min to perform its callback? Aug 16 10:03:37 Does the dsp stop doing the other task? Aug 16 10:05:50 Just thinking how the kernel can answer the poll message in each task's message queue and get some useful information back about the task Aug 16 10:05:51 good question :) Aug 16 10:06:22 about the polling behaviour I would guess that it can be in only one function at a time, i.e. if one blocks, nothing gets run Aug 16 10:06:37 yep Aug 16 10:06:57 hence the need to poll each task, to make sure each one is actually being run Aug 16 10:08:38 old-skool "cooperative" multitasking Aug 16 10:09:21 before that were tsrs that hooked into interrupts Aug 16 10:09:51 lardman: hmm.. Aug 16 10:09:58 This is more like the Symbian "active objects" business I suppose Aug 16 10:10:12 it does't get stucked with global buffers.. :) Aug 16 10:10:29 what were you using before? Aug 16 10:10:33 private Aug 16 10:10:46 interesting, any ideas why? Aug 16 10:10:50 i.e. bkreqp Aug 16 10:10:52 no Aug 16 10:11:06 afaik, I don't need to reserver and release the private buffers.. Aug 16 10:11:17 and I don't see any other reason Aug 16 10:11:39 but the skeleton codes in dspgateway page uses global, so maybe I'm now happy and move on :) Aug 16 10:12:26 well, worth knowing Aug 16 10:12:59 before you do move on, I wonder if it's possible to issue commands from a task back to the same task, to break up a chunk of processing for example Aug 16 10:13:49 I decoded the encoded data on my desktop and it's sounding ok :) Aug 16 10:13:58 great! Aug 16 10:14:54 what do you mean "issues commands"? Like pass the decoded data to the pcm task? Aug 16 10:14:59 look at p24 Aug 16 10:15:25 that's something else - read about ARM not using that command Aug 16 10:16:06 About breaking up processing, if the DSP reads a large chunk of data in, can it issue a command (that comes back to it and triggers another function to be called) to process part of it Aug 16 10:16:28 I suppose it should just read less data at a time Aug 16 10:17:30 you mean something else than normal function call now..? Aug 16 10:17:37 ah, yes you can, but via the ARM. It can send arbitrary tctl commands Aug 16 10:18:19 On the DSPside, if you run the buffer receive callback (for example), I was wonderin if you have to process the entire buffer in one go Aug 16 10:18:21 on the arm user space, you have only read/write/ioctl Aug 16 10:18:46 you can send an ioctl I think that produces an arbitrary command (which you can listen for in the dsp task) Aug 16 10:18:56 yes Aug 16 10:19:27 in which case, as long as the arm side knows whether you're finished, you can read the buffer, return, arm sends a command to process a bit, return, etc. Aug 16 10:19:47 yeah, I think that's possible Aug 16 10:20:07 I was just wondering Aug 16 10:20:16 also you can do write,read,read,read,write,read,read,read on arm side, if that's how the dsp side is designed Aug 16 10:20:48 i.e. the read command can cause a callback on dsp side which can continue prosessing data then Aug 16 10:21:46 yes Aug 16 10:22:06 I was thinking more of processing tasks than reading ones (for which you do as you say and send smaller and more often) Aug 16 10:22:39 for processing tasks you may need all the data, but it might take too long to process it all, so you need to save state and return to let other things run Aug 16 10:22:56 I actually think that the current dsp gateway design is quite flexible. About everything can be done :) Aug 16 10:23:38 it might even run the task simultaneously.. That's probably told somewhere but is easy to test Aug 16 10:23:55 yes, that would be an interesting thing to check Aug 16 10:25:51 now I need to convert libspeex using the dsp task and then I can try streaming audio from n800 mic to my desktop.. Aug 16 10:26:05 anyone up for helping a newbie? Aug 16 10:26:43 kulve: Shame we don't (yet..?) have access to the mic and speakers on the DSP side Aug 16 10:27:08 matmo: just ask the question and hope somebody answers :) Aug 16 10:27:20 but I'm off now Aug 16 10:27:36 lardman: let's first make the codecs. Then we have something to show for the EAP stuff :) Aug 16 10:27:46 kulve: glad to hear your progress, good luck with libspeex conversion Aug 16 10:27:51 kulve: yep that;s true Aug 16 10:28:01 the libspeex conversion should be trivial.. Aug 16 10:28:05 but now I'm gone Aug 16 10:28:09 famous last words ;) Aug 16 10:30:38 well I have a few so I thought you deserved a hint first :-) I have installed the VMware VA from http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1008 as it appears to be latest. I have it running and have selected gregale target. Every thing starts and I see a GNU icon for a simple "hello world" program but the interface seems unusable. Aug 16 10:48:14 moo Aug 16 10:49:02 lardman: If the meant my conversion comment, the arm side does only reading from and writing to the dsp device. So it shouldn't be a big deal.. Aug 16 10:49:32 matmo: you have 770? Aug 16 10:50:16 matmo: I find it complex often to run stuff in SB (in ARM target), so I just compile stuff in SB and scp it (e.g. a deb) to the device in run it there over ssh Aug 16 10:50:35 kulve: sry, was on phone. Yep 770. Aug 16 10:50:38 _monkey seen pepnik? Aug 16 10:50:39 <_Monkey> I haven't seen 'pepnik', Rocketman Aug 16 10:51:54 kulve: I'm a complete newbie (as good as) and it's probably safer if I can work in SB for now :-) Aug 16 10:52:21 matmo: you can always flash the 770 if you mess it up completely :) Aug 16 10:52:52 you can also boot from mmc card to have a separate "development environment" Aug 16 10:53:10 suppose so... and I have two anyway, one with HE (which I'm going to blow anyway) Aug 16 10:53:34 re mmc, yep, 2G should be plenty huh? Aug 16 10:54:57 easily Aug 16 10:55:27 I made 3 partitions to my mmc, one for dev, one for clean installs and about 1G for normal mmc usage (oggs etc) Aug 16 11:05:10 kulve: my aim (eventually) is to do some Squeak VM hacking. ATM, AFAIK, it doesn't correctly support pen/buttons so probably be less wear&tear if I could hack on SB Aug 16 11:09:19 progress - selected gregale, got rid of .gnome2 and .osso directories but second level menus dissappearing Aug 16 11:10:07 I've heard that problem before.. Aug 16 11:15:28 from marceleduardo's blog - phone usability ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnsoUclxd-4 Aug 16 11:15:42 also, shouldn't the interface look similar to IT2006 on the 770? In the SB one it's different gfx/bg or is that because gragale is newer? Aug 16 11:16:41 the theme is just one debian package Aug 16 11:17:01 and the SDK (afaik) still has the first one Aug 16 11:17:06 ok Aug 16 11:17:27 and the background you can freely choose Aug 16 11:23:56 can't find reference to the submenu problem, maybe something I missed Aug 16 11:26:59 except in relnotes ;-) "submenus do not open in some environments" Aug 16 11:27:39 looks I will have to test on an actuall 770 Aug 16 11:34:27 aloha AD-N770 Aug 16 11:34:49 hi pupnik Aug 16 11:35:30 i'm still amazed at how efficient/fast kobo deluxe is Aug 16 11:35:54 http://pupnik.de/kobodl.html <- kobo deluxe sdl game Aug 16 11:39:09 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/antiword/ << maemo.org/downloads... with no download link Aug 16 11:40:10 we must consider this a usability problem, i think Aug 16 11:44:09 the relnotes for gregale are dated 2007-02-02. Would a show stopper problem with menus be fixed by now? OK it is vmware but surely I'm not the first to experience the bug? Aug 16 11:45:09 do you see the submenu flash and then disappear? Aug 16 11:45:16 yep Aug 16 11:45:40 which menu is this - the application start menu, or a menu within a program? Aug 16 11:46:03 app menu, submenus Aug 16 11:46:23 sry, we talking about the main lefthand menu? Aug 16 11:46:30 yeah Aug 16 11:46:42 i have a feeling i know what it might be Aug 16 11:46:46 I get the first level ok but not the second Aug 16 11:46:59 you see the second level menu overdraws the first level Aug 16 11:47:08 one mo... Aug 16 11:47:46 so there is a problem with xomap server and the fact that the 2nd level menu does nto get permission to be on-top of the 1st level menu Aug 16 11:48:16 you can see this effect on first level menus if you run xkbd and select the one-line virtual keyboard - this creates the same problem for even first-level menus Aug 16 11:48:18 wasn't that in the SB? Aug 16 11:48:27 oh Aug 16 11:48:41 then i'm wrong about it being related to xomap Aug 16 11:48:49 hmmm, click on icon (or hold mouse down) and first level appears. Move mouse to desired submenu, release/click and submenu flashes then all menus disappear Aug 16 11:50:12 and the application starts Aug 16 11:51:36 nope, I don't see any actual text for submenu (apart from first level) Aug 16 11:52:06 oh Aug 16 12:03:40 pupnik: so any idea? Aug 16 12:04:24 matmo: I think that's old and known issue. And still unfixed.. Aug 16 12:04:41 0 Aug 16 12:05:03 but then it make the whole gazillion gig download a bit of a waste Aug 16 12:05:30 well, you need most of it for compilation still, right? Aug 16 12:05:45 yeah but, yeah but :-) Aug 16 12:06:37 like I said, there has always been some problems (e.g. missing close source binaries, missing hw (wlan,bt,etc), etc), so I just make a deb there, copy to the device, install, run Aug 16 12:09:44 hmmm, could it be anything to do with "DISPLAY should contain hostname"? Aug 16 12:09:54 I think not Aug 16 12:10:12 that's a problem when using sbrsh instead of qemu Aug 16 12:10:30 i.e. the prosesses are run in a separate computer Aug 16 12:11:02 ok. Just checking the start-up messages for any clues. Aug 16 12:11:30 I'm afraid you might need to dive in to the gtk source code to get that fixed.. Aug 16 12:11:31 missing fonts? I saw no text in the menus Aug 16 12:11:49 well, that sounds a bit odd Aug 16 12:12:03 "Could not init font path element..." x 3 Aug 16 12:12:04 unless it was because it just didn't have time to render them before it vanished..? Aug 16 12:12:13 possible Aug 16 12:12:31 error raising the oom shield... Aug 16 12:12:34 did you try opening them with a keyboard? Aug 16 12:12:47 don't know how Aug 16 12:12:49 oom is out-of-memory (I think, again) Aug 16 12:13:23 I think the menu key is some of the F1-F9. Then you should be able to navigate with arrows? Aug 16 12:13:31 trying now Aug 16 12:14:17 F4 maybe? Aug 16 12:15:00 Second-level menu disappearing sounds like the fun situation where the second menu opens beneath the statusbar window (and on maemo menus are coded to close when obscured by something else than another menu window) Aug 16 12:15:03 yep but same problem using cursor keys, as soon as I go to select submenu, flash, then gone Aug 16 12:15:45 (previous msg in response to kulve) Aug 16 12:15:59 zuh: do you know of any solution? Aug 16 12:16:05 Not really, no Aug 16 12:16:11 drat Aug 16 12:16:15 zuh: any hack to get around that? Aug 16 12:16:30 IIRC it sometimes went a way after restarting the env couple of times or something Aug 16 12:16:39 sounds like windows :) Aug 16 12:16:51 Sounds like broken menus to me ;) Aug 16 12:16:59 well, that too.. Aug 16 12:17:01 * zuh heads to home Aug 16 12:17:10 hildon-home Aug 16 12:18:46 restarting VM Aug 16 12:25:56 same :-( Aug 16 12:26:38 try just restarting the af-sb-init.sh couple of times instead of the vm? Aug 16 12:27:07 it knows restart command. The qemu prosesses can be left running though. And hogging cpu Aug 16 12:28:11 3rd time now and same Aug 16 12:28:14 :/ Aug 16 12:28:55 sure it's not a font problem? "Home" look large compared actual device Aug 16 12:29:38 also the theme gfx are missing in places, top left and just under app menu Aug 16 12:29:39 no, I'm not sure Aug 16 12:29:59 did you give dpi option to xephyr when you started it? (I don't know how it's started in vmware) Aug 16 12:30:29 no but I will check in the "go" script Aug 16 12:31:27 it is being supplied as "-dpi 96" Aug 16 12:31:34 that's correct Aug 16 12:31:42 even though the real dpi is ~225 Aug 16 12:31:45 also I notice 16bit display Aug 16 12:31:53 that is correct too Aug 16 12:32:00 even on 32? Aug 16 12:32:07 afaik, most pda style devices use 16bit display Aug 16 12:32:31 the theme engine works only with 16bit X, that's why the xephyr must run as 16bit Aug 16 12:32:45 yeah, my mistake, me thinking it should match current display Aug 16 12:33:12 but the gaps in the gfx are suspicious Aug 16 12:33:23 some symbian devices use 12 and 18bits Aug 16 12:33:35 which is like, "yay!!!!" Aug 16 12:35:23 gla55_: did you find any cflags that were superior to "-mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer" Aug 16 12:35:28 for 770 Aug 16 12:35:54 na haven't tested options Aug 16 12:36:00 ok Aug 16 12:44:18 is "SDK_X86" for bora? Aug 16 12:44:23 gah Aug 16 12:44:28 i duno Aug 16 12:44:41 dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/libguichan1-dev/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `libguichan1-dev': `Depends' field, reference to `libguichan1': error in version: version string is empty Aug 16 12:44:47 menu's ok with that selection Aug 16 12:44:58 matmo: that's just name of the target. It doesn't tell anything about the content.. Aug 16 12:45:30 matmo: cat /etc/apt/sources.list might tell the distro best Aug 16 12:45:31 kulve: must be having some effect though Aug 16 12:46:09 SDK_X86 is running x86 binaries, SDK_ARMEL is running arm binaries. At least that's how the installer sets the targets Aug 16 12:48:52 avoiding arm targets anyway for dev'ing on PC, leaves "SDK_X86" (bora?) and "SDK_PC_GREGALE". Submenus fine on SDK_X86 Aug 16 12:50:37 and gfx have no gaps Aug 16 12:51:25 ok, I got to go out for 30mins but if anyone can explain why one works and not the other I would appreciate it Aug 16 12:52:54 the name you give it SDL_PC_GREGALE or SDK_X86 mean nothing - they could be Cow_Frog or Foo_Barm68k Aug 16 12:53:30 i don't understand the question Aug 16 13:02:01 matmo: actually it can be that the vmware image has targets for n800 sdk (bora) and for 770 sdk (gregale). The code in the bora is much newer and probably has the fix for the problem Aug 16 13:02:41 matmo: depending on your app you can develop on bora and it will run just fine on 770 and on 800 Aug 16 13:02:49 iirc Aug 16 13:03:51 i should try that, been working in gregale Aug 16 13:04:20 but it seems doubtful - at least something like libconic isn't available on 770 Aug 16 13:04:31 probably many other things not backward compatible Aug 16 13:07:33 many things are. I think the 770 connectivity stuff still works on 800? Not sure about that thouhg.. Aug 16 13:08:15 well, it depends a lot on the application Aug 16 13:14:15 ukmp 1.6 is out http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/08/ukmp-16-is-out.html Aug 16 13:14:46 Big thanks to Pasi Keränen for m4a support Aug 16 13:15:17 It supports maemo scrobbler as well, so big thanks to disq for that Aug 16 13:15:42 your maemo scrobbler is a great piece of software Aug 16 13:16:09 nice Aug 16 13:16:10 ooh thanks :) Aug 16 13:16:59 And it was surprisingly easy to get to work once I was able to get the osso context working Aug 16 13:18:35 can you simply compile stuff on the 770 rather than using scratchbox? Aug 16 13:19:03 apparently going to take me 18 hrs to download from scracthbox.org Aug 16 13:19:16 It'll probably run out of memory if try it Aug 16 13:19:31 hmm bummer :S Aug 16 13:19:37 look on the bright side, you can take the rest of the day off! Aug 16 13:19:40 maybe go with python if you just want to play abit Aug 16 13:19:55 im trying to compile e17 and onboard Aug 16 13:24:54 konttori: I can Aug 16 13:25:02 't install 1.6 from maemo.org Aug 16 13:25:25 It never gives me the 'Open' option when I click 'Install Now' Aug 16 13:25:36 s/Install Now/Click to Install/ Aug 16 13:25:37 trevarthan meant: It never gives me the 'Open' option when I click 'Click to Install' Aug 16 13:26:29 lemme try Aug 16 13:26:45 thanks for the tip Aug 16 13:29:33 apparently you need to save it first Aug 16 13:29:52 Damn I hate when nokia changes stuff on the web site. Aug 16 13:30:11 1.5 was like that too, BTW. Aug 16 13:30:16 apparenlty deb files cannot anymore be opened from the garage maemo site Aug 16 13:30:24 ok. I just didn't notice it then either Aug 16 13:30:29 ah. so probably kagu has the same problem? Aug 16 13:30:32 that sucks Aug 16 13:30:54 oh well, I'll use app manager. Aug 16 13:30:56 But isn't kagu in the extras repo? Aug 16 13:31:13 yeah Aug 16 13:31:30 I don't understand the point you're making. Aug 16 13:32:00 trevarthan: it's the bug we encountered in 1.0.4 release, remember i talked to ferenc about it etc. there's a bugreport on bugzilla for that Aug 16 13:32:05 btw hi Aug 16 13:32:19 :) howdy Aug 16 13:32:24 My point is that .install files probably work just as they are supposed to Aug 16 13:33:08 Is UKMP available via app manager? Aug 16 13:33:12 konttori: fixed your .deb yet? still creates a /debian dir in rootfs? Aug 16 13:33:32 nope. Don't know how to do it. Aug 16 13:33:44 And haven't really bothered to find out yet. Aug 16 13:33:51 you can always cheat off of us about packaging :P Aug 16 13:34:16 yeah, no kidding. disq did an excellent job. check out our debian dir. Aug 16 13:34:25 where is it? Aug 16 13:35:04 https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/debian Aug 16 13:35:17 thanks! Aug 16 13:35:19 you'll also check out ../setup.py Aug 16 13:35:25 s/also/also have to/ Aug 16 13:35:26 disq meant: you'll also have to check out ../setup.py Aug 16 13:35:34 disq: what does setup.py do again? I've never understood that. Aug 16 13:36:30 i think it handles the "make all" dpkg-buildpackage issues and prepares the build dir to be packaged by dpkg Aug 16 13:36:48 umm... will that work on osx as well? Aug 16 13:37:11 why not test it :) Aug 16 13:37:16 well... I think it's mostly for debian OS's. Aug 16 13:37:39 ah, yeah, since osx doesn't use .deb it won't work :) Aug 16 13:38:12 the setup.py is the python way of distributing stuff Aug 16 13:38:20 yaay got readline5 built Aug 16 13:38:42 there is a neat integration for it in the packaging system Aug 16 13:49:12 disq: sparr: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/412 Aug 16 13:50:17 trevarthan: last night 411 was throwing a2dpbutton exceptions when i tried to move the scrollwidget Aug 16 13:50:37 sweet. now debian is gone Aug 16 13:51:02 trevarthan: ooh. great patch. so much code :P (if mutagen supports ogg that's all we needed anyway) Aug 16 13:51:54 disq: regarding 412, I wasn't sure if mutagen's OGG comment support would be... adequate. But sparr seems to think it works, so hey... :) Aug 16 13:52:27 yeah.. Aug 16 13:52:27 disq: regarding 411: did it crash? Or did you just see exceptions in the log? Aug 16 13:52:29 <_Monkey> i heard yeah was there a map that kinda puts all that into a table so people new to the maemo scene have an easier time of it? :) Aug 16 13:52:48 it crashed Aug 16 13:52:49 disq: I've been using 411 for a day or so without any issues. Using ossoplayer and mplayer. Aug 16 13:52:51 _Monkey: forget it Aug 16 13:52:53 <_Monkey> disq: I forgot it Aug 16 13:53:03 trevarthan: i'll check again Aug 16 13:53:52 trevarthan: of course 412 means we'll have to track down ossoplayer errors if ogg support is not enabled there. or we could just switch to mplayer alltogether Aug 16 13:54:44 kulve: (and pupnik) thanks, I'll see how I get on using SDK_X86 for testing then GREDALE for device build Aug 16 13:56:08 disq: yeah. The former probably. We both need to encode some OGG for testing. Aug 16 13:56:53 Anyone have any idea at how I can peek at maemo's copy/paste clipboard from python? Aug 16 13:58:36 trevarthan: run a program that accesses the buffer (maybe there's an x util to do that) and pipe the output? Aug 16 14:01:51 trevarthan, check gtk.Clipboard Aug 16 14:02:14 lmoura: cool. thanks. Aug 16 14:04:12 hi all . what's the state of kismet on the n800? good or bad? Aug 16 14:16:19 guess i'll come back later then. Aug 16 14:44:52 is setting up the maemo sdk in cygwin workable? Aug 16 14:51:48 hey, did anyone test ukmp 1.6? Aug 16 14:52:06 I am getting message that the song selection doesn't work Aug 16 14:52:19 Works for me, so I'm curious if it happens to other people Aug 16 14:52:34 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8905&goto=newpost Aug 16 14:54:31 Hi guys, how do I change the default handler for PDF's to Evince, from the built in one? Is it something to do with mime types? Aug 16 15:13:55 disq / trevarthan: where can i get svn as a tarball? Aug 16 15:15:16 sparrw: don't just use svn. Aug 16 15:15:29 sparrw: rephrase: don't, just use svn Aug 16 15:15:58 i dont think svn is available for the 770 Aug 16 15:16:13 you can get svn here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/subversion Aug 16 15:16:24 "IT OS 2006" Aug 16 15:17:10 another repository i need :) Aug 16 15:17:55 770s don't have "Click to Install"? Aug 16 15:18:07 sure, but that takes too long Aug 16 15:18:16 uh.... ok Aug 16 15:18:34 launch browser, navigate to maemo.org, find package, click to install, go through app manager Aug 16 15:18:41 much faster and informative to use apt-get Aug 16 15:19:20 also, click to install doesnt help me find out what other packages that site offers Aug 16 15:19:31 well, if you like the CLI that much, you should love SVN. Aug 16 15:19:38 willcooke: edit the desktop files. Add the mime type to the app you want and remove it from the built-in. Assuming evince knows how to get the doc parameter over dbus.. Aug 16 15:20:11 thanks kulve , will try that Aug 16 15:20:37 im a moderate fan of svn. i also use git and monotone Aug 16 15:21:21 I've never used git, but disq sent me a youtube video of Linus explaining it. I like the concept. I think SVN is easier for small projects though. Aug 16 15:21:47 subversion includes 2.5MB of locale files that i didnt need, probably 1MB of compressed storage. i love localepurge :) Aug 16 15:22:55 I guess disk space is at a premium on the 770? pupnik complained that python installs too much stuff too. I've got plenty of room on my n800... Aug 16 15:23:37 svn segfaults Aug 16 15:23:52 open("/usr/lib/half/libsvn_ra_serf-1.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Aug 16 15:23:52 stat64("/usr/lib/half", 0xbeecba20) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Aug 16 15:23:52 open("/usr/lib/libsvn_ra_serf-1.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Aug 16 15:23:52 stat64("/usr/lib", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=17592186044416, ...}) = 0 Aug 16 15:23:52 munmap(0x401bd000, 22587) = 0 Aug 16 15:23:54 rt_sigaction(SIGPIPE, {SIG_IGN}, {SIG_IGN}, 8) = 0 Aug 16 15:23:56 getpid() = 1823 Aug 16 15:23:58 getpid() = 1823 Aug 16 15:24:00 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- Aug 16 15:24:15 sparrw: what i do is, i svn checkout to my linux server, and then scp over the .py files to /usr/lib/kagu/ (also don't forget to update /usr/lib/kagu/data/) Aug 16 15:24:33 yeah, pain in the butt if i dont know whats changed Aug 16 15:24:38 guess i could get rsync working... Aug 16 15:24:49 sounds like a plan. Aug 16 15:25:09 you need to use SVN somehow. It's how we communicate changes. Aug 16 15:25:16 That sucks that it doesn't work on the 770. Aug 16 15:26:37 i think the package is missing libsvn somehow Aug 16 15:26:40 its not Aug 16 15:26:42 ive got libsvn Aug 16 15:27:03 including /usr/lib/libsvn_ra_svn-1.so.0.0.0 Aug 16 15:27:17 but nothing _serf Aug 16 15:27:21 is anyone here regularly using their 770 as a sip phone? Aug 16 15:27:56 gogol: i will, some day, when we get SIP capability here in the office Aug 16 15:28:21 trevarthan: you guys need to get guardini to fix their ssl cert Aug 16 15:28:25 you can get a free washington state number forwarded into sip Aug 16 15:28:29 sparrw: I sent the svn maintainer a message about the segfault. Aug 16 15:28:42 gogol: link? Aug 16 15:28:43 <_Monkey> rumour has it link is at http://1024k.de/bookmarklets/video-bookmarklets.html Aug 16 15:28:44 it's a little laggy though Aug 16 15:28:44 sparrw: I am guardiani. It's my last name. Aug 16 15:28:49 http://ipkall.com Aug 16 15:29:00 trevarthan: your ssl cert is expired. among other problems. Aug 16 15:29:04 sparrw: And I don't really feel like paying for a cert. Aug 16 15:29:16 sparrw: I could fix the expiration thing. Aug 16 15:29:17 meh @ pay. just reissue your own with a proper-er common name :-p Aug 16 15:29:35 i linked that up with gtalk2voip.net and it works alright on the desktop, havent tried it on the 770 Aug 16 15:29:42 youre using a cert for guardini.us for pages on www.guardini.us Aug 16 15:30:34 sparrw: Hey, it's a dev site. suck it up man. Aug 16 15:31:00 You, me, and disq are the only people that care right now. :) Aug 16 15:31:48 hey, if it was a paid cert id take it like a man... but you self sign, its a 30 second fix Aug 16 15:32:07 I'm lazy. sue me. Aug 16 15:33:11 I also don't have emails working on the Trac tickets yet. I'll get to all of that when I get some time. Aug 16 15:33:42 grr @ kagu svn not laid out in filesystem order Aug 16 15:33:59 src/kagu is /usr/lib/kagu Aug 16 15:34:00 yes? Aug 16 15:34:06 yes Aug 16 15:34:23 it's like that for a reason. Aug 16 15:34:46 oh and sparrw, you _can_ forward that ipkall number to a gizmo account and skip paying for a 'CallIn' number Aug 16 15:35:04 ..if ever you get into it.. Aug 16 15:35:06 gogol: heh, thanks for the tip Aug 16 15:35:10 :) Aug 16 15:35:11 can google talk do sip? Aug 16 15:35:13 * sparrw wishes Aug 16 15:35:19 nope Aug 16 15:35:56 theyre not doing the open standard Aug 16 15:36:04 i think they said they were going to eventually Aug 16 15:36:15 yeah, that was annoying when i used it... xmpp for text is cool though Aug 16 15:36:55 gizmo is crashy, it would be nice. Aug 16 15:37:51 gogol: n800 has sip. it doesn't work with asterisk (which I find highly annoying), but it works with some stuff. rtcomm is the package. Aug 16 15:38:28 thought there were asterisk debs for n800? Aug 16 15:38:51 there might be, but the server hardly makes a good sip phone. Aug 16 15:39:01 where does kagu keep its track db? Aug 16 15:39:02 no gui Aug 16 15:39:35 man, i built this killer bluetooth headset for the 770 before i ordered it Aug 16 15:39:37 sparrw: I think it's being placed in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/kagu.db or something Aug 16 15:39:42 aha Aug 16 15:39:43 out of an nes controller :D :D Aug 16 15:39:55 and then found out: no headset support! gah! Aug 16 15:40:01 sparrw: I consider that a bug. I'd prefer ~/.kagu/kagu.db, but it's not a high priority. Aug 16 15:41:02 gogol: I know. It's a shame. If someone would just port a damn sip phone I would add bluez headsetd support, but sip phones are a pain to port. Aug 16 15:41:32 does gizmo not have what youre looking for? it works with asterisk Aug 16 15:41:39 gogol: I've already added A2DP support. That's one down. Aug 16 15:42:17 gogol: If by "works", you mean having to set up a new direct access account on the asterisk server, then yeah, I guess. But that's a horrible way to do it. Aug 16 15:42:37 I don't want my asterisk server accessible from gizmo. Aug 16 15:42:55 oh Aug 16 15:43:05 its all very new to me Aug 16 15:43:36 sparrw: is trunk working for you? Aug 16 15:43:44 no Aug 16 15:43:56 what's the exception kenneth? Aug 16 15:44:13 sorry. REM reference. Aug 16 15:44:16 http://rafb.net/p/bdxUBl34.html Aug 16 15:44:49 sparrw: run `./kagu-scanner --update-theme` to fix that. Aug 16 15:44:59 your sqlite DB is too old. Aug 16 15:45:07 yeah, thats why i asked where the db was Aug 16 15:45:11 i was just gonna trash it Aug 16 15:45:24 nah, just run that command. It's faster. Aug 16 15:45:28 im guessing postinst would have done that if i had installed properly? Aug 16 15:45:59 if you were installing a deb, yes. But there are no debs for trunk. Aug 16 15:46:09 sparrw: hey ... someone sent me log of this channel Aug 16 15:46:17 sparrw: about problems with svn? Aug 16 15:46:23 sparrw: resolved or not? Aug 16 15:46:30 script_: that was me. still not resolved. Aug 16 15:46:31 resolved by uninstalling svn :-p Aug 16 15:46:35 it segfaulted Aug 16 15:47:06 strange Aug 16 15:47:22 the log should have included a paste from strace? Aug 16 15:47:29 seems to be trying to load a lib that i dont have Aug 16 15:47:30 sparrw: it does Aug 16 15:47:35 i have libsvn but nothing _serf Aug 16 15:47:42 libsvn_manydifferentstrings Aug 16 15:47:53 sparrw: wait a minute Aug 16 15:48:20 maemo scratchbox in cygwin? terrible idea? i dont have a linux box over 500mhz... Aug 16 15:48:40 gogol: use the scratchbox VMware image? Aug 16 15:48:56 hmm Aug 16 15:49:37 i apologize in advance for any incredibly stupid things i might bother you all with Aug 16 15:49:39 scratchbox vmware image... i need to get a copy of vmware, that might take a lot of hassle out of devin Aug 16 15:49:40 g Aug 16 15:49:48 sparrw: well, i just tried that on my x86 - doesnt have that lib eighter Aug 16 15:50:07 sparrw: and missing libs shouldn immetiatly cause a segfault Aug 16 15:50:10 i agree Aug 16 15:50:35 i can reinstall it and try some other things? Aug 16 15:50:39 other than the co i was trying Aug 16 15:50:54 sparrw: what exactly did you type? Aug 16 15:51:14 sparrw: or try msging me .. but i don't know if that works with registered-nick-foo ... Aug 16 15:51:41 svn co https://www.guardiani.us/svn/kagu/trunk Aug 16 15:51:42 svn co https://www.guardiani.us/svn/kagu/trunk kagu Aug 16 15:52:00 both of those Aug 16 15:52:08 sparrw: wait, i'll do exactly the same on my 770 ... just need to find it Aug 16 15:53:49 maybe their svn server uses some feature that is uncommon Aug 16 15:53:52 like https :) Aug 16 15:54:19 I don't think it's uncommon. I use it all over the place. I admin an svn server at work too. Aug 16 15:55:04 maybe something less mundane Aug 16 15:55:29 sparrw: ok, got it ... "accept temporarily" .. Aug 16 15:55:36 ahh, i accepted permanently Aug 16 15:55:42 kulve, I tried editing the .desktop file but it just ignored me. So, I renamed the osso_pdfviewer and evince binaries. seems to work! :) Aug 16 15:55:45 which means i need to delete something :) Aug 16 15:55:58 sparrw: ok ... works till no space left on /tmp ;) Aug 16 15:56:07 sparrw: now i'll try (p) Aug 16 15:56:24 script_: why does "accept permanently" fail? Works for Me everywhere else. Aug 16 15:56:36 sparrw: works too Aug 16 15:56:44 trevarthan: works here, too ... Aug 16 15:56:53 willcooke: Did you run update-desktop-database after editing? Sorry that I didn't remember to mention that.. Aug 16 15:57:04 kulve, I'll try that, thanks Aug 16 15:57:15 script_: did you install from "Click to Install"? Or from apt-get? Aug 16 15:57:28 well, if permanently works for you then that doesnt help Aug 16 15:57:45 trevarthan: should be no great difference - but i think i installed it by testing the "click .."-button Aug 16 15:58:07 script_: maybe the deps are incomplete and sparrw messed it up by using apt-get. Aug 16 15:58:15 gogol: how do i do free call in for gizmo with ipkall? Aug 16 15:58:31 well, sparrw should give it another try Aug 16 15:58:46 sparrw: can you uninstall, then try via the "Click to Install" link? Aug 16 15:58:49 trevarthan: the .install just says repository = foo, package = subversion. no way thats different Aug 16 15:58:51 i could, but i wont. Aug 16 15:59:20 sparrw: are you using anything "special"? hacked up libc, kernel, or els Aug 16 15:59:32 busybox with wget/telnet/etc Aug 16 15:59:35 nothing else Aug 16 16:00:01 ok Aug 16 16:00:30 script: maybe you've got something outside the deps installed that sparrw needs? Aug 16 16:00:47 Are you two running the same version of IT OS? Aug 16 16:00:49 you use ipkall --> fwd --> gizmo account Aug 16 16:00:58 sparrw: ^ Aug 16 16:01:11 whats the format of the gizmo acct? Aug 16 16:01:13 fwd is a free sip service too Aug 16 16:01:20 ? Aug 16 16:01:25