**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 21 02:59:56 2007 Aug 21 03:37:59 bye Aug 21 04:35:57 I think my n800 fried my SD card. I can't format it and it only recognizes 256MB of 1GB :\ Aug 21 04:42:37 Hello Aug 21 06:35:48 Hi to all Aug 21 06:46:10 could someone confirm if sd cards of 4gb and above have to be sdhc or is it just those over 4gb? Aug 21 06:57:39 forcev_mobile, 4gbs are available in sdhc and not sdhc. its hit and miss as to whether the non sdhc work; you should check itt. Aug 21 06:58:07 as for anything 8gb and higher, they are all pretty much in sdhc spec Aug 21 06:58:34 still, its best to 1)buy only sdhc marked cards 2)check if there is feedback on itt Aug 21 07:00:47 Luria, thanks i always forget about itt Aug 21 07:01:02 np Aug 21 07:01:10 im not the best with forums Aug 21 07:01:13 i was thinking about it a couple of weeks ago Aug 21 07:01:35 nearly all the sdhc 8gbs work, but there were one or two horror stories Aug 21 07:01:42 errr, storys Aug 21 07:01:50 gah Aug 21 07:02:01 its 3am, what do you expect :-) Aug 21 07:02:04 well i bought an 8gb transcend and it lasted 2 weeks :( Aug 21 07:03:50 i now have a tiny brick Aug 21 07:06:32 a bricklet Aug 21 07:06:42 sorry, im hunting radios Aug 21 07:07:02 to use with my new license Aug 21 07:14:48 funny... after all that Aug 21 07:15:06 i think im getting the radio in the pic on the homepage of hildonham Aug 21 07:17:14 morning maemo Aug 21 07:32:12 morning guardian Aug 21 07:52:51 morning all Aug 21 07:54:37 morning Aug 21 07:54:38 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 21 07:55:08 anyone having issues with installing canola? Aug 21 07:55:30 im getting the following issue http://www.slexy.org/paste/4420 Aug 21 07:56:04 morning all Aug 21 07:56:36 CORRECT. Aug 21 07:56:43 * rik sticks a gold star on matmo Aug 21 07:57:25 rik: thanks, but I'm not sure why Aug 21 07:57:49 who in the community is sh*t hot on maemo hacking? Aug 21 07:57:51 you got the first thing right in here today. since i joined. Aug 21 07:58:21 forcev_mobile: ME! ME! I got that yesterday! but more importantly I KNOW HOW TO FIX IT! Aug 21 07:58:22 ah well, wouldn't know since I just joined ;-) Aug 21 08:00:00 I'm looking for someone who I can convince to "fix" the Squeak VM to be usuable on maemo. It runs but there are several issues that need resolving. Aug 21 08:00:55 forcev_mobile: sudo gainroot, then touch /etc/shadow ; chmod 600 /etc/shadow . that'll fix it for you. Aug 21 08:01:03 matmo: i don't even know what that is. Aug 21 08:01:23 rik thanks Aug 21 08:01:34 you're welcome Aug 21 08:01:42 why we have shadow passwords that aren't on, i don't know. Aug 21 08:01:55 Squeak is a popular smalltalk (http://www.squeak.org) Aug 21 08:02:26 if you know it... and "get it"... then you want it Aug 21 08:03:25 rik: when i try the first part i get 'Enable RD mode if you want to break your device' Aug 21 08:03:44 aha Aug 21 08:03:55 have you installed the becomeroot package? Aug 21 08:04:45 * forcev_mobile bangs head with frying time Aug 21 08:05:03 next time the pan will be hot Aug 21 08:05:11 heh Aug 21 08:05:12 okay Aug 21 08:05:16 now you also ened to remember Aug 21 08:05:25 as soon as the canola install is successful - REBOOT. Aug 21 08:05:33 seriously. it took me ages to figure that one out. Aug 21 08:05:55 i know it says on the documentation, bt mos tof my tmie was spent trying ot reinstall stuff, because of the complete lack of instructions i ofund. Aug 21 08:05:55 really? Aug 21 08:05:59 yeah. Aug 21 08:06:01 good morning Aug 21 08:06:04 acutally. before you get it all installed. Aug 21 08:06:12 have you installed gstreamer? Aug 21 08:06:47 you need gstreamer installed before canola. Aug 21 08:07:03 yeah, and most of the plugins Aug 21 08:07:07 okay Aug 21 08:07:14 then go ahead. Aug 21 08:07:25 i wish canola used mplayer isntead. maybe it wouldn't suck then :( Aug 21 08:08:01 alas, mplayer does a far better job on my N800. i'm wondering whether to do a ncier frontend for mplayer, which is of course, open source, and therefore i can, or to hope that canola switches to using mplayer. Aug 21 08:08:08 i suspect i'll end up using both anyway. Aug 21 08:08:09 :) Aug 21 08:08:40 i cant get ukmp to work either Aug 21 08:09:05 I like Squeak for throwing UI's together Aug 21 08:09:05 currently using kagu, but it is audio only Aug 21 08:09:13 reasking: i'm trying to install maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 to scratchbox, but apt-get update ignores the local repository for some reason. any ideas? Aug 21 08:11:33 oh right, someone a while ago indicated getting a certificate was expensive Aug 21 08:11:44 StartCom offers free certs Aug 21 08:13:17 rik: thanks for the help Aug 21 08:13:26 gotta reboot now Aug 21 08:33:18 Hi Aug 21 08:34:55 keesj: i don't suppose you were the person who needed a cert but didn't want to buy one? :) Aug 21 08:35:56 hey timeless Aug 21 08:35:57 <_Monkey> somebody said timeless was a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor Aug 21 08:36:27 _Monkey, you dolt! Aug 21 08:36:28 <_Monkey> Luria: excuse me? Aug 21 08:36:43 hey Aug 21 08:36:47 ignore the bot ;-) Aug 21 08:37:06 * timeless considers switch "timeless is" to "contact timeless is" Aug 21 08:37:19 or maybe "timeless really is" ? Aug 21 08:37:26 _monkey forget timeless Aug 21 08:37:26 <_Monkey> timeless: I forgot timeless Aug 21 08:37:32 you saw what i was talking about? i couldn't stay up any later last night Aug 21 08:37:44 timeless really is a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor Aug 21 08:37:52 timeless: no , certs are overrated :p Aug 21 08:37:54 _monkey i am Aug 21 08:37:55 <_Monkey> OK, timeless. Aug 21 08:38:00 timeless? Aug 21 08:38:10 _monkey: good bot, dumb bot, down bot Aug 21 08:38:10 <_Monkey> :) Aug 21 08:38:27 luria: lemme head to work and try again. sorry Aug 21 08:38:37 i'll be there in ~25mins Aug 21 08:38:38 oh no Aug 21 08:38:42 oh no? Aug 21 08:38:48 keesj? Aug 21 08:38:48 <_Monkey> you are not aware of such page in enligh, Aug 21 08:38:50 oh darn, you're in EDT aren't you Aug 21 08:38:51 its 4:40am Aug 21 08:38:56 bah Aug 21 08:39:19 luria: timeless@gmail send me a note w/ steps Aug 21 08:39:31 better send me a docs.google page so you can update the steps an i can comment Aug 21 08:39:41 got my (basic) ham licence today (yay) Aug 21 08:39:42 _monkey forget keesj Aug 21 08:39:43 <_Monkey> timeless: I forgot keesj Aug 21 08:39:51 _monkey keesj is Aug 21 08:39:53 <_Monkey> OK, timeless. Aug 21 08:40:06 _monkey literal luria Aug 21 08:40:06 <_Monkey> timeless: sorry... Aug 21 08:40:16 _monkey luria is Aug 21 08:40:16 <_Monkey> OK, timeless. Aug 21 08:40:30 its really simple, if you have an n800 handy Aug 21 08:40:38 sorry, it's at work :( Aug 21 08:40:48 sigh. Aug 21 08:40:52 i've been sleeping at home instead of taking my n800 w/ me Aug 21 08:40:59 it's bad enough i'm taking my laptop to bed Aug 21 08:41:13 not your n800? Aug 21 08:41:23 right Aug 21 08:41:45 770s on the desk, but i seem to have misplaced one of my n800s at work Aug 21 08:41:50 so i have fewer n800s to take home atm Aug 21 08:41:53 I have a bt keyboard but I would like a n800 head support so I can type while in bed Aug 21 08:42:10 n800 head eh? Aug 21 08:42:18 also, is there a decompiler for vkbs? Aug 21 08:42:27 not that i know of Aug 21 08:42:38 although arguably the vkb itself is one Aug 21 08:42:40 i suppose Aug 21 08:42:44 the heb vkb doesn't seem to have xml for fkb Aug 21 08:43:03 it switches to russi Aug 21 08:43:10 russian Aug 21 08:43:12 /---\----------| Aug 21 08:43:12 | | /\ Aug 21 08:43:12 |o o| [n800] Aug 21 08:43:12 \---/ Aug 21 08:43:14 does the one sample xml file have a fkb? Aug 21 08:43:47 i'll kick the people again today, i tried kicking them last week Aug 21 08:43:55 they gave some lame excuses for "why not open source" Aug 21 08:43:55 which sample? the one on the garage tutorial? Aug 21 08:44:12 maemo / garage, i don't keep them straight Aug 21 08:44:27 (their excuses were worse than the ones in my blog entry) Aug 21 08:44:39 i don't want to redo all the vkb work that was done :-( Aug 21 08:45:20 but i only know how to make a vkb, not the other way around Aug 21 08:45:58 but iirc the tutorial has an fkb sample Aug 21 08:46:15 any smalltalk fans here? Aug 21 08:46:22 btw, on fkb myself atm so, im slow. Aug 21 08:47:14 does anyone here have experience with gconf ? i have slight probless verifying if the changes made to values are actually getting written .. Aug 21 08:50:00 issue seems to be with caching of read/writes .. if they are written correctly to the cache, they all is good .. Aug 21 08:50:31 user! i know user! he has an account on my n800! Aug 21 08:50:37 =) Aug 21 08:52:21 lol Aug 21 08:53:36 on my n800 :) i love xchat on this thing Aug 21 08:53:47 oneupmanship Aug 21 08:54:16 lol Aug 21 08:54:17 me too. it's why i'm so damn slow typing. Aug 21 08:55:00 yeah... i have a bluetooth keyboard if i want it though ;P Aug 21 08:55:35 same here. but can't really lie in bed and type with it. Aug 21 08:55:47 yeah that would be hard Aug 21 08:55:49 which do you have? Aug 21 08:56:13 Think-Outside stowaway Aug 21 08:56:48 that's the one without the dedicated number row? Aug 21 08:56:55 yeah :/ Aug 21 08:56:58 i put up with it Aug 21 08:57:07 yeah. got that too. Aug 21 08:57:31 i can never remember the name of it. Aug 21 08:57:40 you play with a2dp much? Aug 21 08:57:51 i looked on the bottom of it when you asked :P Aug 21 08:57:55 the worst thing is the up arrow/? Aug 21 08:58:07 yes Aug 21 08:58:08 WTF Aug 21 08:58:15 theres supposed to be a SLASH there Aug 21 08:58:17 WTF Aug 21 08:58:38 screws me up several times a day... sometimes badly, especially when i'm in a terminal :P Aug 21 08:58:54 i sometimes repeat something i said in xchat 'cause instead of a ? i get my previous statement Aug 21 08:59:00 yeah Aug 21 08:59:10 well, i hit it instead of / Aug 21 08:59:20 the pipe is annoying too Aug 21 08:59:30 cause / is supposed to be on the ? key >_< Aug 21 08:59:37 yeah :/ Aug 21 08:59:38 bah Aug 21 08:59:44 just did it, but caugfht it Aug 21 08:59:58 right, but in xchat you look like a dope in front of 200 people Aug 21 09:00:22 they moved all of my most commonly used symbols to ONE KEY and then put it somewhere that should NEVER have a key... to the right of the shift >_< Aug 21 09:00:41 and then it's archived and indexed by google. Aug 21 09:00:47 lol Aug 21 09:01:04 i wonder if there's really a better option :/ Aug 21 09:01:19 I got this with my n800 tho, for cheap, so i cant complain Aug 21 09:01:25 how in god's name do you type so quickly on the thumb board ? Aug 21 09:01:32 heh Aug 21 09:01:38 i cheated and pulled out the keyboard :P Aug 21 09:01:39 how much? Aug 21 09:02:51 timeless, we are having a deleting war. lemme know when you want the walk through on that bug. Aug 21 09:03:14 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7959 Aug 21 09:03:47 those two sentences had nothing to do with each other, but i was too tired to cut and paste. Aug 21 09:04:08 ok Aug 21 09:04:12 * timeless really heads along Aug 21 09:04:44 don't u live at nokia? Aug 21 09:04:55 =) Aug 21 09:05:29 but shipping to Japan ended up being $45, lol Aug 21 09:06:23 thats like 1/3rd of a 770. Aug 21 09:06:40 lol Aug 21 09:06:43 it was worth it Aug 21 09:07:25 i mean cmon... even with shipping, $365 for a mint n800 with bluetooth keyboard and 2x 4gig sd cards and a softcase :P Aug 21 09:07:44 with original headphones and stylus and case Aug 21 09:07:56 not bad. Aug 21 09:08:07 actually, insane. Aug 21 09:08:49 thats like $250 worth of stuff Aug 21 09:09:24 iphones really are for idiots. Aug 21 09:13:18 it was a pretty sweet deal :P Aug 21 09:13:41 especially since a 4g sd card in japan costs like $120 Aug 21 09:14:17 oO Aug 21 09:14:28 it sucks >_< Aug 21 09:14:37 sorry for my stupid question. I try to install a development environmento from scratch. I start to install scratchbox-base, -lib from the scratbox site. When I try to install sdk for bora 3.2 in the guide it is write that must be install sdk for 3.1 before. Ok, I try to run maemo-scratchbox-install.sh but find that scratchbox is already installed. Aug 21 09:14:53 Can anyone help me or post a link to an update guide? Thank Aug 21 09:23:43 mk8: what distro are you running? Aug 21 09:24:24 i'm using a VMware image so I can start from any distro. Now I'm tring to use ubuntu 'cause before I used and already done ubuntu image Aug 21 09:24:37 hi * Aug 21 09:24:59 scratchbox is one thing and maemo sdk something else. Aren' Aug 21 09:25:05 t you trying to install the sdk? Aug 21 09:25:11 is there any way to launch an application in fullscreen mode, from command line ie. some hildon option or something Aug 21 09:25:20 mk8: I use a modified script https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tools/install/?root=cosy-home Aug 21 09:25:38 in my case I need to launch the browser in fullscreen mode Aug 21 09:26:21 bugger the download of 3.1 is broken/moved Aug 21 09:27:10 II already install scratchbox but when I start to install 3.2 sdk version the guide tell me to install 3.1 before and I try to use maemo-scrtchbox-install script Aug 21 09:27:32 is anyone else having issues with "screen" on the n800? it complains about having a PTY and dies Aug 21 09:27:37 the scripts are not very smart :p Aug 21 09:27:41 keesj: I try to use the script that you are linked here, thank's Aug 21 09:27:53 also, permissions issues when run as a normal user :( Aug 21 09:28:03 rm_you: try to increase the amount of ptys Aug 21 09:28:07 rm_you: yes , I had that problem ... Aug 21 09:28:22 jkyro: ok... how do i do that? Aug 21 09:28:49 /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max Aug 21 09:28:49 4 Aug 21 09:28:59 ah Aug 21 09:29:03 sorry, Aug 21 09:29:13 echo 8 >/proc/sys/kernel/pty/max Aug 21 09:29:16 as root Aug 21 09:29:36 or you can substitute 8 with something else as well, the default is 4 Aug 21 09:29:53 k, thanks Aug 21 09:30:10 any drawbacks to setting that to like.... 99? :P Aug 21 09:30:25 I guess there is memory overhead Aug 21 09:30:32 don't know how much though Aug 21 09:30:56 in my desktop it is 4096 Aug 21 09:31:06 so I guess it's no big issue Aug 21 09:32:18 heh ok, thanks :P Aug 21 09:33:06 worked well :) Aug 21 09:40:24 so again, anyone been playing much with the n800 and a2dp? Aug 21 09:45:00 good monring Aug 21 09:45:44 keesj: can you give me the svn command to extract the installation script, and all the related files? I not know svn Aug 21 09:47:00 mk8 http://paste-it.net/2930/raw/ Aug 21 09:47:36 mk8 but U just saw the tgz files where moved Aug 21 09:48:50 sorry Aug 21 09:48:53 had to find a device Aug 21 09:48:57 i'm here, kinda Aug 21 09:49:05 talk me through it? Aug 21 09:50:09 * timeless pokes one of rm?you or rm?/rf?you Aug 21 09:55:25 sorry, can't get browser working, and someone wants lunch, try again tonight my time, your morning? Aug 21 09:57:49 I'm not sure if I understood that Aug 21 10:16:50 keesj: ... I try to start the script .... it is started so I'm waiting to the finish Aug 21 10:17:53 :) Aug 21 10:23:46 since the last IT2007 upgrade Aug 21 10:23:57 my n800 does not register its hostname into the dhcp/dns Aug 21 10:24:01 anyone aware of this ? Aug 21 10:51:56 is plankton available for the 770? Aug 21 10:52:00 or is an n800 only theme Aug 21 10:58:19 themes? Aug 21 10:58:19 <_Monkey> themes is http://downloads.maemo.org/other/ for recent Bora themes, http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/About%20Theme%20Maker.html for the 'Theme Maker' applet, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-tools/README for tools http://icct.blogspot.com/2006/04/maemo-themes-are-here.html Aug 21 10:59:38 ive looked. Aug 21 11:00:57 i can find the theme Aug 21 11:01:01 but the blog says its n800 only Aug 21 11:01:14 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6028 Aug 21 11:17:47 amr adria works fine here except for one small optical inconsistency Aug 21 11:18:06 http://pupnik.de/xkbd_m_bottom.gif Aug 21 11:18:14 two white bars on the left hand side Aug 21 11:18:33 themes-os07-14pt-0.1-1.deb Aug 21 11:20:35 oh Aug 21 11:20:37 cool thanks Aug 21 11:22:13 pupnik: why no hack on the same keyboard as in http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php Aug 21 11:22:21 they have layout files Aug 21 11:22:23 hm i installed the theme cacher now my tablet is running slooowww Aug 21 11:22:30 wont even start the browser Aug 21 11:22:40 nevermind Aug 21 11:23:13 keesj, both are based off xkbd Aug 21 11:25:37 looks like plankton has the same problem Aug 21 11:25:45 has a white line under the extras tab on the left Aug 21 11:25:50 and one at the very bottom below the >> Aug 21 11:40:51 hi Aug 21 11:41:30 why does ITOS spawn all these processes per application Aug 21 11:42:21 pupnik, all what processes? Aug 21 11:42:48 i just saw 4 processes for scummvm and i don't think it forks them Aug 21 11:43:11 Threads show up the same way processes do Aug 21 11:43:36 If you happend to use gnome-vfs, you're bound to have threads Aug 21 11:43:41 (I think) Aug 21 11:43:45 ah ty Aug 21 11:44:21 someone has a pda-holder for his/her bike? (n800 ^^)? Aug 21 11:44:35 * sxpert-work has a gps holder (garmin GPS 60) Aug 21 11:45:55 * pupnik wants sunglasses with a monochrome text console display over bluetooth Aug 21 11:46:37 pupnik: ;D Aug 21 11:46:42 eichi: I have build one myself Aug 21 11:46:57 jonek: yes, thats the idea I have at the moment ;) Aug 21 11:47:08 eichi: it holds a N800 and a solar GPS recv next to it Aug 21 11:47:32 do you have or can you take a picture ? Aug 21 11:47:39 eichi: it works quite well - let's see if I can get you some pictures Aug 21 11:48:24 jonek: most freeks like me and you blog there constructions quite fast ;) thats why I thout, you have a picture ;) Aug 21 11:49:03 eichi: nope I haven't bloged about it yet Aug 21 11:50:25 eichi: but I'll do this week because from my vacation I have some nice pictures of N800+GPS from mountain hiking in France (3150m peak) ;-) Aug 21 11:50:58 jonek: sounds nice ;) Aug 21 11:52:26 maybe we could start a competition like: who gets the highest picture from her internet tablet + GPS? Aug 21 11:52:53 keesj: I try the script but obtain several errors ... :( Aug 21 11:53:04 "damn" old people cycle on the bicycle lane ;D I had to pass the center several times, now its quit hard to map the gps data accurate..damn i have to reride it Aug 21 11:53:24 freaky geadget hiking :-P Aug 21 11:54:09 eichi: do you participate in openstreetmaps.org? Aug 21 11:54:24 yeah, very motivated ;) Aug 21 11:54:41 by bike Aug 21 11:55:23 cool - I think openstreetmapping is a killer app for my internet tablets Aug 21 11:55:57 I would like to have some sort of map editor app directly on the device Aug 21 11:57:05 every time I' m leaving the house and I use streets, which arent in OSM, i track them ;) and I cycle around the towns for OSM and beeing sporty only ;D Aug 21 11:57:16 (note: this is one of my motivators for better java support on the tablets!) Aug 21 11:57:19 jonek: yeah, that wound be great Aug 21 11:57:37 jonek: hehe, but josm is quit a good app Aug 21 11:57:38 jonek, are planes allowed in the competition? Aug 21 11:57:51 inz: :-D Aug 21 11:57:58 inz: damn cheater ;D Aug 21 11:58:22 ok we need categories ... Aug 21 11:58:34 feet, bike, plane Aug 21 11:59:00 eichi, I wouldn't do that, but there are some hobbyists in the community Aug 21 11:59:24 eichi: carolina vor example Aug 21 12:00:17 RC models (helis, gliders) would be cool, too Aug 21 12:01:38 jonek: what is with carolina? Aug 21 12:01:57 sorry, bad english ;D Aug 21 12:02:26 eichi: IIRC she knows who to fly a plane Aug 21 12:02:30 how Aug 21 12:02:38 jonek, I think you mean Karoliina, but anyway Aug 21 12:02:48 inz yes Aug 21 12:03:00 i dont know her.. Aug 21 12:04:41 jonek: you use josm? Aug 21 12:05:00 Karoliina pop-ed up in my linkedin network Aug 21 12:05:20 we have ex-nokia people working here :p Aug 21 12:06:24 eichi: I only tried it - not yet commited tracks Aug 21 12:07:45 ah okay Aug 21 12:07:58 unfortunately I live in Karlsruhe, which is Germany best openstreetmapped city :-) Aug 21 12:26:21 I have an adapt bt gps modem but that really is not goog enough for openstreet I guess Aug 21 12:26:35 jonek: lol, i live near tübingen ;D jonek then you know hanno, right? Aug 21 12:26:38 so what's the preferred pim suie these days? Aug 21 12:27:06 i use a nokia gps mouse, it seems quit well Aug 21 12:27:07 is there a calendar app that can sync wih google calendar? Aug 21 12:27:54 theere is a new sexy ajax based calendar designed for maemo Aug 21 12:28:44 well perhaps it's not sexy (see maemo.org front page) Aug 21 12:28:57 rik: Erminig will sync your google calendar and gpe calendar Aug 21 12:30:04 rik: http://code.google.com/p/erminig/ Aug 21 12:30:24 what's the interface like? plugin for gpe or separate program? Aug 21 12:30:50 separate program Aug 21 12:32:47 i see Aug 21 12:33:52 it would be nice to have a calendar apps with a sync now button or something. Aug 21 12:33:56 are there 2 nice or one nice linux app (running with maemo) with works together very well? (have linux desktop and n800 maemo) Aug 21 12:34:10 i should check out gpe. thanks. Aug 21 12:44:36 can i run gdb on n770? Aug 21 12:45:11 ah yes Aug 21 12:56:30 kulve: How is memory allocation performed in Speex? Aug 21 12:57:30 what can I use to stream stuff from my mac to Kagu? Aug 21 12:57:57 lardman: speex supported "manual allocation". I.e. there's a speex_alloc() that is overwrited in dsp port. It's just a char * array with pointers showing what is allocated Aug 21 12:58:22 kulve: So it pre-allocates a large array, and then manually allocates from that? Aug 21 12:58:41 kulve: Where is the large array in memory? Is it allocated normally? Aug 21 12:59:08 it's allocated normally. i.e. char array[SPEEX_SCRATCH_SOMETHING] Aug 21 12:59:13 I don't think it's very large.. Aug 21 12:59:51 the sizes were already defined somewhere and I didn't even check the actual size.. Aug 21 12:59:59 that's okay Aug 21 13:00:33 but now I'm off again Aug 21 13:00:36 Just reading the Sandvall thesis about how he split the decoder across ARM & DSP Aug 21 13:00:42 thanks for the info Aug 21 13:01:00 url? :) Aug 21 13:01:45 www.mp3-tech.org/programmer/docs/embedded_vorbis_thesis.pdf Aug 21 13:16:34 what was the magic to get apt-get working in scratchbox? i've edited resolv.conf and both nsswitch.conf's Aug 21 13:18:38 cosmo: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 Aug 21 13:18:50 cosmo: was nameserver for me Aug 21 13:19:14 thanks, i'll check that out Aug 21 13:21:04 nsswitch? Aug 21 13:21:28 monkey used to have that link Aug 21 13:25:43 that tutorial didn't have anything helpful.. apt's still not resolving Aug 21 13:25:47 wget works though Aug 21 13:29:40 oh, i might have some other weird issues.. Aug 21 13:31:14 Hi Aug 21 13:33:56 Im on my 770 now Aug 21 13:34:06 I love you guys Aug 21 13:37:14 cosmo: that tutorial helped me to fix it on my system, I'm running feisty Aug 21 13:37:22 sparr: how's the new volume widget coming? Aug 21 13:37:54 Can you run kde on os2006? Aug 21 13:39:43 AD-N770: feisty here. but i might have some other networking problems, so it might not be sbox issue after all Aug 21 13:42:45 Is there any (noticeable) difference between m800 models? I found one for a suspiciously cheap price of $100 CAD less than others, Aug 21 13:43:41 kupesoft: not afaik Aug 21 13:43:56 I'm'a buy then! Aug 21 13:44:55 if it's not an authorized reseller you may have problems with exchange/repairs Aug 21 13:46:35 How do I know if it's an authorized reseller? Aug 21 13:46:39 It's tigerdirect.ca? Aug 21 13:47:29 use the phone. ask about exchange/return policy Aug 21 14:29:19 _Monkey: do you have a home? Aug 21 14:29:19 <_Monkey> keesj: i don't know Aug 21 14:29:41 _Monkey: is there a god? Aug 21 14:32:58 trevarth1n: i can draw it :) making it DO things, thats where im having fun Aug 21 14:34:50 i applied for a garage project page a week ago, no response... how long does it usually take? Aug 21 14:37:47 a few day's Aug 21 14:48:03 :( Aug 21 14:49:14 What project are you working on? Aug 21 14:49:52 Ah, volume widget. Aug 21 14:57:20 hi :) Aug 21 14:57:27 Hi. Aug 21 15:01:20 i'm beginning to think garage is overkill unless more than one person wants to work on a port / project Aug 21 15:02:00 i suppose it can serve as advertising and a request for contributors as well Aug 21 15:04:47 * pupnik curses debian maintainers who create dependencies just for the packaging process Aug 21 15:05:31 * pupnik wanders in a blizzard of libs Aug 21 15:46:28 Morning, all Aug 21 15:47:23 morning Jaffa Aug 21 15:49:34 I keep seeing more tidbits about the IVA Aug 21 15:50:26 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1155807521.15232.268585018%40webmail.messagingengine.com&forum_name=dspgateway-devel Aug 21 15:51:36 * lardman longs for a look at the OMAP2420 technical manual to sate his curiosity about vlcd, seq, imx buffers in the IVA Aug 21 15:54:11 jaffa, kree! Aug 21 15:54:46 timeless, still around ? Aug 21 16:00:44 _Monkey: "error opening terminal" is caused by missing /etc/terminfo data. Fix with apt-get install ncurses-base Aug 21 16:00:45 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Aug 21 16:06:00 Luria: rofl stargate references :P Aug 21 16:07:46 +10 for me Aug 21 16:08:51 lardman: BTW, the maximum valid Vorbis packet size is 9+nchannels*1189146 bits. Aug 21 16:08:59 Or about 145K per channel. Aug 21 16:30:30 sparr: why do you need a garage page? Aug 21 16:33:43 trevarth1n: to house my packages Aug 21 16:33:57 right now ive got a local repository, but i cant let [many] other people use it Aug 21 16:39:52 derf: Thanks Aug 21 16:41:23 That's assuming a blocksize of 4096, which I believe the reference encoder only uses in a few of the very low bitrate modes. Aug 21 16:41:33 Err, a blocksize of 8192. Aug 21 16:45:05 I think I'll go for the all-on-the-DSP method to begin with, and allocate a large buffer from which to do manual allocation by altering the defines of _ogg_malloc, etc. Aug 21 16:46:04 I'm going for a shared memory scheme with active word sending from DSP-> ARM to request buffer fills and inform of PCM output availability Aug 21 16:46:21 and will use polling on the DSP side while the ARM does the buffer fill Aug 21 16:47:08 pupnik: How would your games like to fill a buffer? By being signalled or by polling? Aug 21 16:47:25 pupnik: the signal is a bit difficult as it's a callback function Aug 21 16:48:04 most of them use sdl, so i'd need to look into how that works Aug 21 16:48:40 if you had a separate thread the callback could work - basically you block trying to read from the device Aug 21 16:49:06 otherwise polling shared memory is the only way I can think of Aug 21 16:49:09 reading up on SDL_audio.h now Aug 21 16:49:23 * 'desired->callback' should be set to a function that will be called Aug 21 16:49:23 * when the audio device is ready for more data. Aug 21 16:49:38 It is passed a pointer Aug 21 16:49:38 * to the audio buffer, and the length in bytes of the audio buffer. Aug 21 16:49:38 * This function usually runs in a separate thread Aug 21 16:50:18 ah well, first things first anyway Aug 21 16:52:35 looks like the callback could work for that then Aug 21 16:53:44 home time, bye chaps Aug 21 16:53:53 cheers! Aug 21 17:06:50 tcl? Aug 21 17:07:40 _Monkey is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb and http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb Aug 21 17:07:49 _Monkey tcl is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb and http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb Aug 21 17:07:50 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Aug 21 17:07:55 _Monkey tk is tcl/tk for N770 (and if you dpkg -i N800) can be found at http://pupnik.de/tcl8.4_8.4.12-1.1_armel.deb and http://pupnik.de/tk8.4_8.4.12-1_armel.deb Aug 21 17:07:56 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Aug 21 17:09:02 i wish there were a huge file map of maemo. Aug 21 17:09:55 someone made a search engine for maemo repos but i forgot the URL Aug 21 17:10:00 i'd love to especially know how the fonts are used, 'cause the info i've found until now has been wrong. Aug 21 17:10:26 no, i mean a file map of a stock system Aug 21 17:11:36 especially 'cause i'd like to make an oss font set that doesn't suck. Aug 21 17:12:28 you are an expert at low-res hinting? Aug 21 17:13:25 or you mean compile existing fonts into a set? Aug 21 17:13:27 nope. but just setting up the project might invite someone who is. Aug 21 17:13:47 start with compilation and evolve. Aug 21 17:15:08 looking at the font in the window title, i can see some small hinting errors, so i think they could be tweaked Aug 21 17:15:31 for e.g. space between U and n in "X Terminal - U ntitled" is a bit too large Aug 21 17:16:33 oops Aug 21 17:49:44 anyone here know how often planet.maemo updates? Aug 21 17:54:16 Can I use a Palm's keyboard with my N800? Will it works? Aug 21 17:54:42 Does the Palm keyboard support Bluetooth? Aug 21 17:55:33 I don't have the keyboard yet. Aug 21 17:55:44 If it is a BT keyboard, it will probably work. Aug 21 17:55:56 If it is not a BT keyboard, it will probably not work. Aug 21 17:56:42 its because I could not find a Nokia's Kb... so I need alternatives.. Aug 21 17:57:02 There are plenty of BT keyboards out there that will work with N800. Aug 21 17:57:09 Go to eBay and search for "bluetooth keyboard". Aug 21 17:58:06 What is the main issue with compatibility? A HID profile? Aug 21 17:58:18 Yup. Aug 21 17:58:34 I bought a thinkoutside stowaway because it folds and was compatible. Aug 21 17:58:42 I haven't seen a BT keyboard that doesn't have the HID profile. Aug 21 17:58:54 Yes, but I can't use ebay. They doesn't delivery to my country anymore... Aug 21 17:58:55 pupnik: Same here. It's a nice big keyboard when you expand it. Aug 21 17:59:07 DaniloCesar: At least you can see what's available. Aug 21 18:11:28 timeless, u there? Aug 21 18:12:03 yeah Aug 21 18:12:09 now's about as good a time as any Aug 21 18:12:22 ok 1 sec Aug 21 18:12:51 helloooo Aug 21 18:12:52 ok, now i have my bt keyboard :-) Aug 21 18:12:57 :) Aug 21 18:12:59 someone talk me out of buying an n800 :S Aug 21 18:13:01 so, it's pretty simple Aug 21 18:13:16 Nermal: The N800 is awful. Send me yours. You'll be glad you did. Aug 21 18:13:26 oook Aug 21 18:13:28 there is a problem with the way the vkb deals with password fields Aug 21 18:13:44 im using n800, microb 8-3e Aug 21 18:13:48 -3 Aug 21 18:13:58 you with me? Aug 21 18:13:59 ok, i found one device running 4.2007 w/ microb Aug 21 18:14:08 i just need to figure out if i can be in the same room as it Aug 21 18:14:27 ummm.. marital problems? Aug 21 18:14:50 it's seeing another developer Aug 21 18:15:00 he has it tied down... Aug 21 18:15:01 slut Aug 21 18:15:16 tell him this takes a minute Aug 21 18:15:19 :-) Aug 21 18:15:26 he's out, anyway, ok, let's do it Aug 21 18:15:55 ok, go to a page where there is authentication, user / pass where the pass is supposed to be hidden Aug 21 18:16:00 yeah, this is 8-3 Aug 21 18:16:08 anything will work, facebook, gmail Aug 21 18:16:08 um Aug 21 18:16:12 whatever Aug 21 18:16:25 gmail... Aug 21 18:16:26 <_Monkey> somebody said gmail was out to get me Aug 21 18:16:46 _monkey forget gmail Aug 21 18:16:46 <_Monkey> timelE61i: I forgot gmail Aug 21 18:17:12 gmail is Aug 21 18:17:18 next Aug 21 18:17:22 tap in the user field, to bring up vkb, type in a user name and use the *vkb tab key* to switch to the password field and keep typing Aug 21 18:17:46 it doesnt know that its in a field that should be treated as hidden Aug 21 18:18:02 now my autocomplete hass some passwords :-( Aug 21 18:18:05 hrm, stars here Aug 21 18:18:21 stars in the field, yes Aug 21 18:18:29 but what about below the vkb Aug 21 18:18:38 oh Aug 21 18:18:46 see? Aug 21 18:19:01 yes! Aug 21 18:19:12 thanks god :-) Aug 21 18:19:15 ok Aug 21 18:19:30 there is some wonky stuff with the hidden field detection Aug 21 18:19:38 i have another similar bug Aug 21 18:19:44 but i cant replicate it Aug 21 18:19:51 ok, let's start w/ basics Aug 21 18:20:05 * timeless pulls out a device running 3.2007 w/ microb Aug 21 18:20:15 oh darn Aug 21 18:20:21 i never got aroudn to filing that other bug Aug 21 18:20:23 * Nermal looks Aug 21 18:20:24 ive had normal text in search fields treated as passwords (the reverse of this problem) Aug 21 18:20:32 heh Aug 21 18:20:38 that makes sense, try this url: Aug 21 18:20:49 data:text/html, Aug 21 18:20:55 ok Aug 21 18:21:09 simple testcases are appreciated :) Aug 21 18:21:19 one sec, ill have to shut off my bt keyboard Aug 21 18:21:23 brb, testing Aug 21 18:22:26 yeah, same deal Aug 21 18:23:36 ok, Aug 21 18:23:41 so, can i get you to file the bug? Aug 21 18:23:48 the url field is easy, it's the url i gave you :) Aug 21 18:24:11 didn't know about the data: thing Aug 21 18:24:50 one sec Aug 21 19:56:18 anyone got youtube on the 770 working seamlessly (i.e. without a transcoding external site)? Aug 21 19:56:43 has anyone seen their n800 flicker? Aug 21 19:56:50 mine is changing brightness as it charges Aug 21 19:57:07 it seems to have at least 4 steps Aug 21 19:57:17 i'm fairly certain it's not just pulsing, but not positive Aug 21 20:11:59 sparr: are you planning on forking Kagu? Or contributing to Kagu? Aug 21 20:14:52 sorry about all the connects and disconnects... I am trying to get framebuffering working and my irc client is setup in sessions Aug 21 20:15:10 I should disable that Aug 21 21:07:39 re Aug 21 21:08:22 the new kagu player is really nice Aug 21 21:10:06 now sorting my mp3s... i need some kind of id3 tag editor, any existing for the n800 itself? Aug 21 21:10:48 Luria: don't forget to file? Aug 21 21:11:17 oor anyone can recommend one that is good, commandline prefered Aug 21 21:11:48 itunes? :) Aug 21 21:13:40 mh, i somehow was thinking about building it for the n800, not sure how much supportt i'd get froom apple for that ;) Aug 21 21:16:01 * timelE61i waves to dolske Aug 21 21:16:08 i was thinking about some kind of script that lets me edit all tags of mp3s in dir in a row Aug 21 21:16:28 man, speaking of mp3s on the N800... is there a non-sucky media player i don't know about? Aug 21 21:16:41 i don't want something big or fancy like canola Aug 21 21:16:51 which do you know of? Aug 21 21:17:16 * timelE61i likes rhapsody :) Aug 21 21:17:20 the in-built media player would be fine except for its crappy key-config (or lack of configuration), its ID3 tag mangling, and the slowness/inconsistent way it reads my taps Aug 21 21:17:22 i use mplayer most of the time Aug 21 21:17:36 hai! Aug 21 21:17:37 well, i know of mplayer, the vlc port, media player and canola Aug 21 21:17:41 works perfect Aug 21 21:17:43 does anyone know how to fix an sd card that went "read only" without reformatting it? Aug 21 21:17:51 or what causes it? Aug 21 21:17:57 Gigabites: flip the switch back? Aug 21 21:18:12 nope, not flipped Aug 21 21:18:15 check dmesg Aug 21 21:18:25 but mplayer had no concept of ID-tag-based library or directory-as-album Aug 21 21:18:41 usually you're going to want to back up the card Aug 21 21:18:44 mostly becaause i can choose the cache size with mplayer, usefull if listening from cifs mountts Aug 21 21:18:56 i'd personally stop using it. Aug 21 21:19:05 i listen to albums and i have no interest in making playlists automatically, but i guess i could write a script to do that Aug 21 21:19:10 mh i use for loops Aug 21 21:19:27 you could try windows chec disk Aug 21 21:20:04 I have had success with fsck.vfat. Aug 21 21:20:06 yeh card is backed up. I'm about to reformat just that the maemo mapper directory replacement takes a looooong time, just wanted to fix the card and avoid a restore Aug 21 21:20:30 i never cared about id3 tags, now i like to sort them to also be able to use the other players Aug 21 21:20:45 If you have a scratchbox setup, it shouldn't be too hard to compile it and run it on the device itself. Aug 21 21:21:41 (hmm, I have it lying around, somewhere. oh right, on the laptop with the broken power contact) Aug 21 21:21:42 greygusb: well, i don't care about tags that much- but i d have good tags, but i also have them all in a Music/Artist/Album/Song.mp3 setup too, which facilitates both itunes-ish setups and more simple players like winamp where i can select a folder and have it sort by filename Aug 21 21:22:09 Veggen: i don't suppose that explains the source of the corruption :? Aug 21 21:22:22 nope. Aug 21 21:22:42 the N800's player seems to do something between ID3 tags and filenames, and most of the time it actually screws up the order of the tracks on the album Aug 21 21:23:14 yes, basically i have only directory sorted mp3s Aug 21 21:23:23 tons of them Aug 21 21:23:24 * timelE61i considers reading the source Aug 21 21:23:34 greygusb: i'd be fine using that, but how do you do that w/ mplayer? with the version i had i could only pick a single song. Aug 21 21:23:38 cifs mounted to the device Aug 21 21:23:49 greygusb: these are all on the machine, no streaming/nfsing or anything Aug 21 21:24:23 do i just need to make an m3u for each album? doable, just stupid, imho :P Aug 21 21:24:25 rev: could you find some small free mp3s that misbehave and file a bug in bugs.maemo.org? Aug 21 21:24:28 <||cw> easytag is nice, not commandlien though, nor something I'd want to run on a handheld Aug 21 21:24:31 for i in *; do mplayer ... Aug 21 21:24:49 */* for several dirs Aug 21 21:24:54 timelE61i: well, i don't know if it is misbehaving per se, but more that it doesn't do some version of ID3 Aug 21 21:25:02 aas said, all dir sorted Aug 21 21:25:45 never cared about id3 tags Aug 21 21:26:21 timelE61i: because according to itunes, for instance, all tracks in a folder have the album tag "Drums and Guns" ; itunes thinks this, as do other apps... maybe it doesn't do a certain version of ID3? Aug 21 21:26:28 i don't care about details Aug 21 21:26:44 ideally, i'd just like to write the dir structure into the id3 tags, my biggest problem are inconsistencies in the spelling Aug 21 21:26:51 make a testcase Aug 21 21:27:00 greygusb: yeah, but that won't jive for me- i don't want to do ctrl-c to stop playing the tunes, etc; i want to be able to do next/prev track, vol up/down, etc etc consistently Aug 21 21:27:07 testcase? Aug 21 21:27:09 rev: vlc port ? Aug 21 21:27:27 <||cw> greygusb: easytag can do that Aug 21 21:27:29 what testcase database/tool is used? Aug 21 21:27:49 MoRpHeUz: seemed oriented for single-songs, i don't want to add 10-20 single songs that make up an album to vlc's playlist Aug 21 21:27:50 Yes, a small pair of files which behave differently in itunes v. N800 Aug 21 21:28:00 i'll see what i find Aug 21 21:28:08 rev: I mean, are there any vlc port for n800 ? Aug 21 21:28:19 MoRpHeUz: oh yeah, but the interface is primitive Aug 21 21:28:42 greygusb, that reminds me to tell dolske to search for "handels" Aug 21 21:28:53 rev: do you have the URL ? =) Aug 21 21:29:15 mh, easytag is not useable on the n800 i think Aug 21 21:29:25 handels? Aug 21 21:29:39 MoRpHeUz: i think installed it through the app manager, not sure what rep Aug 21 21:30:36 Rebe: I'll take a look =) Aug 21 21:30:38 * rev goes to see what version Aug 21 21:30:39 btw. is the usb port of the n800 usb2? Aug 21 21:30:44 rev: ops...that was for you ^^ Aug 21 21:30:51 Rev/greygusb, we're not an entirely opaque company Aug 21 21:30:52 handels? sounds baroquen. Aug 21 21:30:57 yes usb2 Aug 21 21:31:12 hispeed or fullspeed? :P Aug 21 21:31:29 if you give me a bytesized problem, i can send it to be analyzed Aug 21 21:31:49 <||cw> greygusb: it is usb2, but the internal memory card reader is not fast Aug 21 21:32:00 and i should be able to get feedback explaining why it doesn't work Aug 21 21:32:13 i was thinking about getting a sis based usb-vga adapter, driver would exist but it needs usb2 fullspeed Aug 21 21:32:36 or highspeed, the faster version, always mixing them up Aug 21 21:32:37 <||cw> usbhost work on n800 now? Aug 21 21:32:48 yes, here it does Aug 21 21:32:52 <||cw> cool Aug 21 21:33:01 after changing the hub Aug 21 21:33:31 who thinks a powered hub still draws power from the device ... Aug 21 21:33:49 <||cw> external vga might be difficult as it doens't use a standard xorg/x11, no idea how you' config the external monitor Aug 21 21:34:01 <||cw> the device doens't provide power at all Aug 21 21:34:07 <||cw> so nothing can draw poer from it Aug 21 21:34:25 i was expecting that i'd have to rebuild the x itself Aug 21 21:34:31 timelE61i: like i said, i'm willing to help, i just have to dink around some Aug 21 21:34:52 timelE61i: i've got a list of little annoying bugs i keep meaning to send in, but i don't think it's fair to do so until i upgrade to the newer release, which i've not done Aug 21 21:35:14 at least there is some sorce package ... Aug 21 21:35:22 but i do need to do ASAP because i managed to kill opera with some packages i installed via the app manager Aug 21 21:36:01 Personally i run 3.2007, but i'll find someone to test whatever is current Aug 21 21:36:41 i wanted to have a look into the x source package for finding oit how to get a usb mouse working Aug 21 21:36:50 or blietooth Aug 21 21:37:29 given that nokia doesn't include detailed changelogs in any digestable form... Aug 21 21:38:04 it's better to file a bug about 3 and have someone say yeah fixed in 4 Aug 21 21:38:17 i suppose! Aug 21 21:38:18 :) Aug 21 21:38:34 then people w/ 3, myself included will know Aug 21 21:39:24 mh, i think i'll go to bed, too tired to care about mp3 sorting anymore Aug 21 21:39:34 n8 Aug 21 21:39:40 course, don't try to drown us w/ bugs Aug 21 21:39:50 heh Aug 21 21:40:00 and definitely retest when you upgrade Aug 21 21:41:13 the goal is to make the quality of bugs in bugs.maemo better than any internal system Aug 21 21:42:05 Preferably for the entire bug life cycle: report, analysis, testing, resolution, verification Aug 21 21:43:08 gah, silly residents of finland Aug 21 21:43:21 pass a no smoking indoors law Aug 21 21:43:53 so proprieters and customers go into the entrance to smoke Aug 21 21:44:19 result: smoke goes inside restaurants/bars Aug 21 21:44:53 dolske did you find handel? Aug 21 21:45:37 * timelE61i needs to figure out svn/pidgin Aug 21 21:46:23 ? Aug 21 21:48:40 http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/mozilla/search?string=handel Aug 21 21:56:27 phew, none are mine :) Aug 21 22:06:39 dolske: ping Aug 21 22:06:45 does view-source: work in microb? Aug 21 22:07:26 dunno, although I did notice there's no UI for "View Source". busy atm... Aug 21 22:07:45 yeah, a user just filed a bug asking for it Aug 21 22:11:44 Hi to all ... I just install bora 3.1 sdk (ok I know that the 3.2 it is released). Before to upgrade I want to make some test but I not find Xephyr. Anyone know how to install it? Aug 21 22:11:54 and where download it? Aug 21 22:13:33 sorry, I found it. Thanks Aug 21 22:13:37 is there a way of convincing the N800 with release 4 of OS2007 not to try to connect to a wifi access point when i'm trying to look at some web page that's on localhost? Aug 21 22:13:51 get it to actualyl consult the routing table before heading out over the network? Aug 21 22:15:51 rlk: there's a bug in bugs.mameo.org Aug 21 22:15:54 or bugs.maemo.org Aug 21 22:16:10 in short, please yell at the connectivity folks Aug 21 22:16:13 it's all their fault Aug 21 22:17:30 'k Aug 21 22:19:17 i think you can install minimo/firefox/any normal application :) Aug 21 22:21:17 (actually there are about 4 bugs in bugs.maemo.org about it) Aug 21 22:22:31 actually, i was thinking about canola's config tool Aug 21 22:23:11 what is the Dialpad for in Internet Call? Aug 21 22:23:47 rik: as i said, it's all connectivity's fault Aug 21 22:24:04 and yes, i know about the config tool Aug 21 22:24:24 although people said it causes the browser to crash, and i never managed to install it, after a couple of attempts Aug 21 22:24:59 i've never managed to crash the browser. Aug 21 22:25:08 but i'm good at installing canola now. Aug 21 22:25:21 i've had every possible failure mode, as far as i can tell, so i can sort out any problems. Aug 21 22:25:32 it's jsut a shame it uses gstreamer as a backend, rather than mplayer. Aug 21 22:26:55 btw, is there any chance of increasing the number of encoding schemes in microb? Aug 21 22:26:57 is it a better idea to get a 770 cheap or wait for an 800? Aug 21 22:27:09 eh? Aug 21 22:27:21 you mean in the encoding dialog? Aug 21 22:27:24 yeah Aug 21 22:27:27 heh Aug 21 22:27:35 we intentionally limited it because there weren't any fonts Aug 21 22:27:37 bmk, depends what you will use it for Aug 21 22:27:41 and supporting others didn't make sense Aug 21 22:27:43 i thought it was a limitation of the system, but ive added he_il Aug 21 22:27:56 why show people a hebrew encoding when all you'd get is squares? Aug 21 22:28:17 hence my idea of an oss font project :-) Aug 21 22:29:12 can a 770 run the latest OS and run maemo-mapper decently? Aug 21 22:29:33 what do you mean wait for an n800? Aug 21 22:29:40 it can run the latest OS for the 770 and yes runs maemo mapper decently Aug 21 22:29:47 there's a thing called 2007-he for the 770 Aug 21 22:29:49 incidentally, there are a bunch of inaccuracies in the maemo hebrew thing... be that as it may, is there documentation for which /usr/share/fonts and /usr/share/fonts/nokia font are used where? Aug 21 22:29:57 you can put the hacker edition of 2007 but it's a kludge Aug 21 22:30:23 he-2007 is NOT for new users Aug 21 22:30:33 i would love to help fix unicode support on the n800 - and not just for rtl languages Aug 21 22:31:38 though im not so ambitious or skilled to do an ime :-) Aug 21 22:33:11 personally, buy the N800, buying the 770 now is like buying a nintendo 64, lots of great stuff is available for it, but no one is writing anything for it anymore Aug 21 22:33:32 Gigabites: I am porting for OS2006 (: Aug 21 22:33:41 heh Aug 21 22:34:03 unfortunately nokia isn't Aug 21 22:34:03 770 is not a bad choice Aug 21 22:34:12 yes, the n800 is getting the spotlight Aug 21 22:34:14 all the new stuff is on the n800 Aug 21 22:34:24 but choosing between $130 and $330, thats a choice Aug 21 22:34:38 Gigabites: and all it needs is to be ported, nokia barely releases software, its the community Aug 21 22:34:46 the 770 is the "first experiment" Aug 21 22:34:50 actually Aug 21 22:34:56 will the 770 be able to run all the same software as the 800? Aug 21 22:34:59 OS2005 was the first experiment Aug 21 22:35:00 the n800 is the third experiment :) Aug 21 22:35:01 NO Aug 21 22:35:05 bmk789: some but not all Aug 21 22:35:16 the 770 is limited in what it can run Aug 21 22:35:23 bmk789: the fmradio and camera apps most definitely won't work on the 770 Aug 21 22:35:24 Gigabites: do you own one? Aug 21 22:35:30 yes Aug 21 22:35:31 bmk789: what do you want to do on it? Aug 21 22:35:38 i own a 770 then an n800 Aug 21 22:35:42 ok, i guess ill save up for an 800 instead Aug 21 22:35:46 thanks Aug 21 22:36:00 if you need to save up, i'm not sure the n800 makes a lot of sense Aug 21 22:36:03 I do think the n800 is a major improvement hardware wise Aug 21 22:36:10 if it's going to hurt your pocket that much... Aug 21 22:36:21 os2005, oh please now you're just splitting hairs, it was still hardware wise a 770 Aug 21 22:36:21 timely: every penny counts Aug 21 22:36:44 music is also pointless on the n800 Aug 21 22:36:48 Gigabites: I do split hairs sometimes but having two sd slots and a camera is nice Aug 21 22:36:56 i mean 770 Aug 21 22:36:56 Luria_: use slimserver or similar Aug 21 22:37:04 still, use slimserver or similar Aug 21 22:37:09 typo Aug 21 22:37:19 i mean 770 max storage = 2gb Aug 21 22:37:28 Luria_: with slimserver, you can broadcast your music Aug 21 22:37:33 n800 = 16gb and counting Aug 21 22:37:42 my 770 has been in a box in a drawer for 6 months and hasn't seen the light of day Aug 21 22:37:56 which is useless on an airplane, or a car, or a subway Aug 21 22:38:07 luria, yeh totally true Aug 21 22:38:29 my n800 has replaced my iriver Aug 21 22:38:39 not to mention the 770 uses harder to find MMC-rs Aug 21 22:38:39 my 770 is on my desk between my keyboard and my cinema display :) Aug 21 22:39:07 and n800 uses sd (in the case of my n800, two 8 gig sdhc cards) Aug 21 22:39:55 other than saving a bit of cash on a new experince, the 770 isn't worth buying Aug 21 22:40:00 http://shop.vendio.com/eavyexpress/item/936349399/?s=1187604003 Aug 21 22:40:05 New Sandisk 1GB RS-MMC Card $7.98 Aug 21 22:40:21 a 2gb RS-MMC is $20 roughly on buy.com Aug 21 22:40:31 if you don't know what you will use an IT for, and never owned one, then yes, get the 770 and see if buying an n800 is worth it Aug 21 22:40:49 Gigabites: just for you to know, I was just busting ya, I do know that n800 is better in performance and hardware but the 770 is still a value saver Aug 21 22:40:58 sure Aug 21 22:41:07 i agree Aug 21 22:41:13 again, $200 makes a difference to people Aug 21 22:41:17 dunno. think the 770 is better as an around the house device... n800 is more versatile Aug 21 22:41:24 hahah sandisk, never buy that crappy brand Aug 21 22:41:25 Luria_: agreed Aug 21 22:41:46 770 may be better for hacking value Aug 21 22:41:47 but, both have the same hardware stats for wifi last I checked Aug 21 22:41:49 actually luria i ythink the opposite Aug 21 22:41:54 really? Aug 21 22:42:03 how so? Aug 21 22:42:21 the 770 is better for the outside world, better case, if it breaks, it's cheaper to replace, and it's so ugly no one would steal it hahah Aug 21 22:42:33 * timely disagrees Aug 21 22:42:37 * timely thinks the n800 is uglier Aug 21 22:42:45 haha timely Aug 21 22:42:54 as a designer, the 770 is ugly Aug 21 22:42:58 the 770 is much sturdier Aug 21 22:44:17 eh? Aug 21 22:44:26 for example i used to take my 770 out geocaching and it was good Aug 21 22:44:29 800 is uglier than 770 Aug 21 22:44:48 i like the shell case... though if you lose it... Aug 21 22:45:29 * timely lost the case w/in a few weeks of getting it Aug 21 22:45:32 the shell case was a good idea Aug 21 22:45:35 the 770s anyway Aug 21 22:46:01 but hahah man, the 770 is just plain ugly, black plastic bar Aug 21 22:46:38 but it is a functionnal tablette for a little price and it's Linux ! Aug 21 22:46:45 my proporta leather case i have on my n800 adds bulk but at least it has a metal plate to protect the screen Aug 21 22:46:47 i want the 800 with wimax :-/ Aug 21 22:47:26 anyone know if 2.x Ghz WiMax chipset will be compatible whith 3.5 Ghz WiMax ? Aug 21 22:48:13 what i never understood is why why why nokia didn't add bluetooth headset profiles Aug 21 22:48:26 yeah, wtf? Aug 21 22:48:48 even my old nokia 6230b has bt support Aug 21 22:49:17 sure kagu supports ad2p but it's a kludge Aug 21 22:49:42 but it is nice to use my moto bt stereo headset to listen to music Aug 21 22:50:26 night all Aug 21 22:54:26 actually, add in wimax, transflective screen, usb host, video out, and more ram - and ditch the internal memory Aug 21 22:54:40 and turn on the damn 3d Aug 21 22:54:49 and ill be pretty happy Aug 21 22:55:07 810f and ipx7 would be really hot Aug 21 22:55:28 I think video out is a more important feature than Nokia realizes. Aug 21 22:55:51 does anyone know if there is other SIP software because I want to try SIP with another program that Gizmo Project Aug 21 22:55:58 also, the usb host nonsense Aug 21 22:56:16 (SIP software for N770 and OS 2006...) Aug 21 22:56:26 gizmo works with any sip host Aug 21 22:56:39 unless you just dont like the software Aug 21 22:57:03 in which case... youll just have to hope that rtcomm somehow makes it to the 770 Aug 21 22:58:04 ok, so I will go to light up a candle in a church... Aug 21 22:58:19 wy would you need video out? on such a small screen blown up big? what's teh point? Aug 21 22:58:48 luria, and your battery life would be oh, about 5 mins with all that crap Aug 21 22:59:20 remember, the n800 (and 770) runs on a cell phone battery, not a laptop battery Aug 21 22:59:59 hardly. Aug 21 23:00:34 more crap, especially radios will drain batteries faster Aug 21 23:00:38 3d isnt on 24-7. neither is wimax. losing the internal memory is a bit of gain. Aug 21 23:00:49 increasing ram takes that back. Aug 21 23:01:00 um, why would losing the internnal memory be good? Aug 21 23:01:15 transflective screen reduces power in daylight use Aug 21 23:01:26 so, no, there are no losses. Aug 21 23:01:50 yet it adds cost Aug 21 23:02:05 for the same reason i dont want my system hd in my computer to be non upgradeable Aug 21 23:02:24 what adds cost? Aug 21 23:02:26 people bitch at a $400 n800, a $600 n800 will fair no better Aug 21 23:02:56 not this year, but that price point is feasible Aug 21 23:02:58 you don't think all that crap will be free to add? Aug 21 23:03:01 $400 Aug 21 23:03:28 1, if it were crap, i wouldnt be the only voice calling for some of those things. Aug 21 23:03:41 hahah yeh, you might as well light that candle Aug 21 23:03:43 2, the 3d is already there, nokia just screwed up the bus Aug 21 23:04:12 a nominal increase in ram and removing the internal flash is a wash Aug 21 23:04:32 lots of crap people ask for, nokia still didn't add it, but gave us useless shit lik ethe cam Aug 21 23:04:48 not to mention the constant downward pressure on ICs Aug 21 23:05:34 also, nokia has a press release about a n800 wimax model Aug 21 23:05:41 so, to recap. Aug 21 23:05:42 big deal Aug 21 23:05:52 as if wimax is everywhere Aug 21 23:05:53 hello Aug 21 23:05:55 <_Monkey> que tal, artemisprime Aug 21 23:06:17 nada _Monkey Aug 21 23:06:20 hehe Aug 21 23:06:22 wimax, 3d is already there. ram is a wash, and there is no major new power requirement. Aug 21 23:06:31 hahah ram is a wash Aug 21 23:06:33 right Aug 21 23:06:49 now, the 810f/ipx7 is a dream, but what was your point again? Aug 21 23:06:54 well hope you light that candle for the n900 Aug 21 23:07:05 whats with the candles? Aug 21 23:07:09 i'm not holding my breath Aug 21 23:07:36 why not? Aug 21 23:08:04 ok, so I will go to light up a candle in a church... Aug 21 23:08:34 whatever dude, we'll see what nokia will put out Aug 21 23:08:42 whoa Aug 21 23:08:48 i dont light candles or go to church. pay more attention to the channel. Aug 21 23:08:57 just found some pics of what might be next Aug 21 23:09:00 it was a joke dude Aug 21 23:09:02 relax Aug 21 23:09:06 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/07/11/next-nokia-internet-tablet-spotted-is-it-n900.html Aug 21 23:09:33 not much info but nice pics Aug 21 23:09:40 artemisprime, probably a hoax Aug 21 23:09:48 it was a hoax Aug 21 23:09:52 hrmmm Aug 21 23:09:53 was on gizmondo a month+ ago Aug 21 23:09:58 oh Aug 21 23:10:00 lame Aug 21 23:10:28 looks like it was fashioned from roof flashing Aug 21 23:11:01 i would hate a built in kb Aug 21 23:11:12 can the 770 do java or not ? Aug 21 23:11:31 and you have to open it to use the pad and hwkeys? bah Aug 21 23:11:37 it's a stupid design anyway Aug 21 23:11:42 i still never figured out the answer to that Aug 21 23:16:43 anyone gotten blackdown j2me for arm to work ? Aug 21 23:16:56 re Aug 21 23:17:07 hu ? Aug 21 23:17:32 hello DaniloCesar Aug 21 23:17:47 Hi artemisprime Aug 21 23:18:26 i was just wondering if anyone knew where I could download blackdown j3me for arm Aug 21 23:18:35 or if anyone got java to work yet Aug 21 23:19:06 if mobile phones can do it im sure the n770 has enought juice Aug 21 23:21:03 it even has java support in the cpu Aug 21 23:21:11 java? Aug 21 23:21:19 what? Aug 21 23:21:22 I dont know.... I see something about it on maemo´s user list. Aug 21 23:21:33 i don't think it's a matter of juice, just nokias will for it to happen, like bluetooth headsets Aug 21 23:21:54 blackdown is completely free - no reason it's not just a build away Aug 21 23:22:11 where can i find this blackdown j2me for arm ? Aug 21 23:22:18 it supposedly exists Aug 21 23:22:47 artemisprime: I have looked Aug 21 23:22:50 i know we just need a port Aug 21 23:22:56 ers: no dice ? Aug 21 23:23:08 it use to exist somewhere, but it has to be somewhere still... either source files somewhere Aug 21 23:23:12 artemisprime: exactly Aug 21 23:23:19 damn Aug 21 23:23:25 where could it be Aug 21 23:23:30 I have searched high and low, and I have not found any source Aug 21 23:23:37 lame Aug 21 23:23:47 my next choice is to email them Aug 21 23:23:50 its not on the blackdown ftp Aug 21 23:23:51 or someone else can Aug 21 23:23:52 thats for sure Aug 21 23:24:02 I cannot believe that project is gone Aug 21 23:24:08 unless its trademark issues Aug 21 23:24:33 trademark Aug 21 23:24:36 lame Aug 21 23:24:42 prolly so Aug 21 23:24:58 j2se is running Aug 21 23:25:15 pupnik: what ? Aug 21 23:25:34 share the wealth man Aug 21 23:25:37 :) Aug 21 23:25:47 i can't copy and paste from iceweasel Aug 21 23:26:05 hu ? Aug 21 23:26:08 search itt forums for java Aug 21 23:26:18 iceweasel is broken with synergy Aug 21 23:26:24 i have searched Aug 21 23:26:27 when the window loses focus it clears the copy buffer Aug 21 23:26:28 no dice Aug 21 23:26:46 pupnik: can u send me the file Aug 21 23:26:51 for j2se Aug 21 23:26:58 so i have to first paste the url into rxvt Aug 21 23:27:01 then rehilight Aug 21 23:27:05 then repaste into irssi Aug 21 23:27:06 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4618 Aug 21 23:27:10 pupnik: are you saying you got j2se on your nokia? Aug 21 23:27:15 no Aug 21 23:27:23 just that someone else posted that they did Aug 21 23:27:29 ah Aug 21 23:28:26 isn't there an open-source javavm for debian? Aug 21 23:28:44 pupnik: not that I know of Aug 21 23:28:46 let me check what I have Aug 21 23:30:15 pupnik: I am running Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition Aug 21 23:30:19 Someone can explain me why ALT+TAB doesn`t work sometimes with gain on N800? But its works fine with another programs... (like xchat, xterm, etc) Aug 21 23:30:21 I can see if I can grab the sources and go from there Aug 21 23:30:44 hmmm Aug 21 23:30:54 this forum post is useless Aug 21 23:31:36 pupnik: Blackdown needs a lot of dependencies Aug 21 23:31:49 got a deb-src? Aug 21 23:31:54 pupnik: working on that Aug 21 23:32:08 I am doing 40 million things at once, trying to slim down Aug 21 23:32:08 erstazi: ur going to port it ? Aug 21 23:32:20 artemisprime: I can try but I am just doing small apps right now Aug 21 23:32:27 right on Aug 21 23:32:33 I am no expert for porting to a different arch Aug 21 23:32:39 pupnik: can you lend a hand in help? Aug 21 23:32:40 that would be awesome Aug 21 23:32:51 i cant program Aug 21 23:32:57 or i would help Aug 21 23:33:11 ive got to eat Aug 21 23:33:23 bbiaf Aug 21 23:33:28 i don't know, looking at blackdown's ftp mirrors i see a jdk Aug 21 23:34:14 erstazi: no there has to be a reason for java RE on the tablets Aug 21 23:34:20 time is better spent understanding why Aug 21 23:34:30 for *no* java RE Aug 21 23:34:51 hmm Aug 21 23:35:06 artemisprime: its not programming, its just porting and packaging Aug 21 23:35:18 well, some programming knowledge is needed for like hildonizing and the likes Aug 21 23:36:40 which java should I go for? Aug 21 23:36:42 I am thinking 1 Aug 21 23:36:45 1.X Aug 21 23:36:47 something Aug 21 23:36:47 java-linux/java2-status/ Aug 21 23:36:48 <_Monkey> something is wacky here Aug 21 23:36:55 damn iceweasel Aug 21 23:37:02 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=54833&postcount=12 Aug 21 23:37:10 pupnik: you are on debian eh? Aug 21 23:37:11 flag to artemisprime ^^ Aug 21 23:38:45 pupnik: thought so Aug 21 23:39:23 "I won't hold my breath for that. I'll be *very* surprised (with no empirical knowledge unlike yourself) to see Flash 9 in any ITOS 2007 release." I thought Flash9 was on OS2007?? Aug 21 23:39:54 read the next line Aug 21 23:40:23 yeah Aug 21 23:40:24 I saw Aug 21 23:40:27 edit: bla bla Aug 21 23:40:44 Edit: OK, I was surprised :-) Aug 21 23:40:53 that means he wrote it before it was released Aug 21 23:40:56 then saw the release Aug 21 23:41:00 then added that Edit: Aug 21 23:43:03 ah Aug 21 23:43:08 yeah I saw that Aug 21 23:43:14 pupnik: what does "a floating-point unit" mean? Aug 21 23:43:30 in the context of: "For maximum performance on machines with a floating-point unit (i.e. most of them), don't pass the --enable-fixed to autogen.sh or configure" Aug 21 23:43:34 hi shackan Aug 21 23:44:29 it is a part of a cpu that performs 'floating-point' arithmetic Aug 21 23:44:45 o Aug 21 23:45:06 so I can safely assume that nokia's tablets use that then huh Aug 21 23:45:07 'floating point' arithmetic is useful for 3D computations and some media applications Aug 21 23:45:38 ok Aug 21 23:45:50 pupnik: StrongARM is an older version of ARM right? Aug 21 23:45:52 770 has no floating point that i know of Aug 21 23:46:11 StrongARM is intel's variant of ARM architecture based on an older design Aug 21 23:46:32 ah yes Aug 21 23:46:36 hmm Aug 21 23:48:05 even though PocketSphinx is not a full speech-to-text engine, I think its worth a go Aug 21 23:48:36 pupnik: are you going to be up for a few hours? if so, do you mind if I ask questions on my route to porting and packaging this? Aug 21 23:48:59 i will be around - let me check Aug 21 23:51:30 pupnik: thank you Aug 21 23:52:14 3.5 hours Aug 21 23:52:41 ok Aug 22 00:07:26 pupnik: can I pm you? Aug 22 00:08:28 sure Aug 22 00:30:28 that dark blue in LS_COLORS is so unreadable on a crt Aug 22 00:36:47 * DaniloCesar test Aug 22 00:37:10 Shot in the dark - anyone know how to best handle writeable fds in gtk? gdk_input_add throws it into a CPU loop (somewhat obviously, since the socket is almost always OK for writing) Aug 22 00:37:28 Figure there might be enough gtk using people here to have a chance ;P Aug 22 00:38:42 the 3 europeans with day jobs who also chat in #maemo are asleep - good luck in the usa :) Aug 22 00:39:17 heh Aug 22 00:41:09 Where are U from pupnik? Finland? Aug 22 00:45:21 Someone here uses SU 8W Aug 22 00:45:23 Someone here uses SU 8W keyboard? Aug 22 00:49:26 germany, no, i don't know Aug 22 00:52:49 anyone running openvpn? Aug 22 00:54:18 yes Aug 22 00:55:13 pupnik, How is your Sierra's game? Aug 22 00:56:01 DaniloCesar: freesci is getting better - adlib sound is stable, amiga sound still unstable, menus and loading still unstable Aug 22 00:56:34 xlib driver has problems sending millions of 20:38 < pupnik> ioctl(8, FIONREAD, [64]) = 0 Aug 22 00:56:37 20:38 < pupnik> read(8, "\r\301\262\214\2\0\240\1\0\0\220\1\320\2\24\0\0\0\0\0>"..., 64) = 64 Aug 22 00:56:56 sdl driver is fairly smooth but keyboard input not working Aug 22 00:57:21 Do you fix the N800 sound bug? Aug 22 00:57:58 sound should be smooth on n800 now Aug 22 00:58:27 can you test on n800? Aug 22 00:58:30 nice... Where can I get your source? Aug 22 00:58:57 i will put source on the page - your request is the first Aug 22 00:59:22 Yes, but I can´t test the sound now, because I´m in a college class.... Aug 22 01:01:58 http://pupnik.de/freesci_glutton_070721_maemo.tgz Aug 22 01:10:21 what is freesci? Aug 22 01:10:22 <_Monkey> freesci is probably the Interpreter/Emulator for Sierra On-Line adventure games. Test and comment! 770/N800 compatible testing version here http://pupnik.de/freesci.html Aug 22 01:14:44 nice Aug 22 01:36:27 i build a .deb of the stable branch but it has even worse performance problems Aug 22 01:53:24 someone hildonized mtpaint.. Aug 22 01:53:26 yes Aug 22 01:53:45 called faint in the garage.... Aug 22 01:53:51 oh happy days Aug 22 01:54:59 I saw it Aug 22 01:55:04 but dont know that mtpaint Aug 22 01:55:06 good? Aug 22 01:55:10 no Aug 22 01:55:14 false call Aug 22 01:55:17 lol Aug 22 01:55:24 \they just compiled the danm thing.. Aug 22 01:56:26 pupnik and me messed with it, and compiled it a while back. Aug 22 01:57:04 just installed the version thats on the garage. Aug 22 01:57:33 false call... Aug 22 01:58:38 ok ok Aug 22 01:58:42 but mtpaint is good? Aug 22 01:59:12 very Aug 22 01:59:35 but i'm using mypaint right now...and find it better Aug 22 02:00:03 because of the touchscreen sensitivity it takes advantage of. Aug 22 02:00:41 make darker, wider lines by pressing harder Aug 22 02:01:58 i made this from mtpaint... http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/1091129561/ Aug 22 02:05:26 wait this one is from mtpaint http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/1199318198/ Aug 22 02:05:37 the first link is from Mypaint Aug 22 02:06:07 cool! Aug 22 02:07:10 mtpaint is too cluttered with stuff on the screen Aug 22 02:07:19 fullscreen could really help it out. Aug 22 02:07:53 mypaint could also be helped with fullscreen. Aug 22 02:08:09 mypaint doesn't play with the 770.. Aug 22 02:12:57 hey all. I killed the resolv.conf on my 770 without looking at it. Can someone tell me how it's setup -- I have the /tmp/resolv.conf.[ifname] stuff worked out, but it's not resolving. Adding "nameserver 127.0.0.1" doesn't seem to help either Aug 22 02:13:41 I know I can add the name servers manually to /etc/resolv.conf, but I'd like it to actually work with dnsmasq, and changing networks Aug 22 02:15:01 just "nameserver 127.0.0.1" Aug 22 02:17:11 strange. that's what I've got. it must be a dnsmasq problem. it's listening on 127.0.0.1:53, but won't reply to queries.. Aug 22 02:28:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pww8lqTT7Jg&mode=related&search= Aug 22 02:29:08 opengl Aug 22 02:31:22 slow Aug 22 02:31:35 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> http://www.flickr.com/photos/zapwizard/sets/72157600535652135/ <-- anyone ever done this? Aug 22 02:32:07 clicked on a link without a description? yeah. Aug 22 02:32:12 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> hahah glgears. :) wonder what fps it was. Aug 22 02:32:29 lol Aug 22 02:32:35 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> pupnik, 5v USB charge mod to a nokia770. Aug 22 02:32:46 ah thnks. yeah somebody has done that. Aug 22 02:32:58 so opengl for the n800 Aug 22 02:33:09 those things were moving slow as hell Aug 22 02:33:23 that on a n800 Aug 22 02:33:27 watching pokylinux running on N800 now Aug 22 02:33:28 unique311: gives you an idea how powerful those gpus are Aug 22 02:33:31 yes Aug 22 02:33:34 there is still a need for my rendering scheme =-) Aug 22 02:35:49 actually gives you an idea of why nokia didn't bother Aug 22 02:36:13 why? Aug 22 02:36:33 did you see the video? Aug 22 02:36:55 slow Aug 22 02:37:00 that's not using the powerVR graphics accelerator Aug 22 02:37:07 it's rendering in software, afaict Aug 22 02:38:33 <[jamez01]> Anybody have advise for a n770 newb trying to install ruby on ITOS2006 v3.2006.49-2? Aug 22 02:38:42 there is ruby for it? Aug 22 02:38:57 what is ruby ? Aug 22 02:39:04 a programming language Aug 22 02:39:05 monkey dont know Aug 22 02:39:07 hehe Aug 22 02:39:10 oh Aug 22 02:39:11 going to ask the poster of the the video pupnik Aug 22 02:39:13 never heard of ruby on rails? Aug 22 02:39:17 nope Aug 22 02:39:26 its quite popular these days Aug 22 02:39:42 <[jamez01]> NeoStrider: There is, but from what I can find there have been some changes to OS2006 since the armel build, making it incompatible. Aug 22 02:40:10 this ruby is from 2005? Aug 22 02:40:26 i see Aug 22 02:40:32 said the blind man Aug 22 02:40:59 <[jamez01]> NeoStrider: no, its built for OS2006 but they've "recently" made changes to the OS. I'm not sure how recent "recent" is. Aug 22 02:41:28 is it a good idea to run OS2007 on the 770 ? Aug 22 02:41:33 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ogles2 there's the ogl 2.0 library Aug 22 02:41:34 not really Aug 22 02:41:41 didnt think so Aug 22 02:41:48 [jamez01]: it 2006 3.2? Aug 22 02:41:52 isnt 2.2? Aug 22 02:42:09 could it fry your device ? Aug 22 02:42:16 or make it unbootable Aug 22 02:42:22 ? Aug 22 02:42:48 artemisprime: may happen Aug 22 02:42:52 <[jamez01]> artemisprime: There is a backport of 2007 for the 770, but I'm not sure where to locate it. I think via nokia's site Aug 22 02:42:59 artemisprime: but mostly you will miss some features Aug 22 02:43:29 well it will be able to run all the stuff for 2007 right Aug 22 02:43:46 not all, some programs use n800 hardware Aug 22 02:43:46 <[jamez01]> artemisprime: I'm unsure. Have not tried it. I've had my 770 for less then a week now. Aug 22 02:44:19 yeah.. ive had mine for about a month Aug 22 02:44:44 mine for a year Aug 22 02:44:51 i guess this page is it Aug 22 02:44:53 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Os2007On770 Aug 22 02:44:53 and Im very happy with it2006 2.2 Aug 22 02:45:07 neo: why the old OS ? Aug 22 02:45:29 2.2 is the latest official it2006 Aug 22 02:45:52 i thought it was 3.2 or Aug 22 02:45:54 something\ Aug 22 02:46:03 anyway i have the latest too Aug 22 02:46:06 i checked that Aug 22 02:46:19 does pidgin or gaim seem to be more stable on OS2007? Aug 22 02:46:42 dougb: pidgin works fine for me on 2006 Aug 22 02:47:00 it works for me, except i can't add IRC chat rooms Aug 22 02:47:06 artemisprime: thats what my users wil be running Aug 22 02:47:06 am i the only one that doesnt have problems with pidgin on 2006 ? Aug 22 02:47:16 and it sufice for me Aug 22 02:47:25 what users ? Aug 22 02:47:27 why would I need it2007 on 770? Aug 22 02:47:32 Angstron users ;-0 Aug 22 02:47:42 s/-0/-) Aug 22 02:47:44 s/-0/-)/ Aug 22 02:47:44 NeoStrider meant: s/-)/-) Aug 22 02:47:50 ;-) Aug 22 02:47:53 what is angstron ? Aug 22 02:47:53 <_Monkey> rumour has it angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 22 02:47:53 *damn* Aug 22 02:48:05 i installed it Aug 22 02:48:10 and it didnt run Aug 22 02:48:13 slow as hell, right? Aug 22 02:48:31 just plain didnt run Aug 22 02:48:32 why, what,how? Aug 22 02:49:04 dunno Aug 22 02:49:09 didnt run for me Aug 22 02:49:45 looks bad anyway Aug 22 02:50:07 how do you know? Aug 22 02:50:13 screenshots Aug 22 02:50:14 <_Monkey> screenshots are of the OS Aug 22 02:50:33 _Monkey forget screenshots Aug 22 02:50:33 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot screenshots Aug 22 02:50:54 dont look impressive Aug 22 02:51:04 looks like a vector nightmare Aug 22 02:51:05 hehe Aug 22 02:51:24 well tron has a basic look Aug 22 02:51:39 true Aug 22 02:51:41 heheh Aug 22 02:51:58 so does beam rider Aug 22 02:52:01 for coleco Aug 22 02:52:06 that game ownz Aug 22 02:52:34 coleco intellivision? Aug 22 02:52:44 colecovision Aug 22 02:52:56 ok...thanks artemisprime Aug 22 02:53:04 neo: what ? Aug 22 02:53:10 ;-) Aug 22 02:53:20 eh ? Aug 22 02:53:29 forget abou tit Aug 22 02:53:52 well all im sayin is i cant get angstrom to run Aug 22 02:53:58 and im not cryin about it Aug 22 02:53:59 hehe Aug 22 02:54:05 but I am ;-) Aug 22 02:54:23 what is the object of this game Aug 22 02:54:31 why is it so important Aug 22 02:54:35 again...you're running a 770, right? Aug 22 02:54:40 yes Aug 22 02:54:42 indeed Aug 22 02:54:50 artemisprime: this is my pet project for the last 2 years Aug 22 02:54:57 make a viable game engine for the 770 Aug 22 02:55:11 i've been working tirelessly on it Aug 22 02:55:17 (3D) Aug 22 02:55:21 i see Aug 22 02:55:31 so angstrom is just a 3d engine right now Aug 22 02:55:35 not a game Aug 22 02:55:45 and its your project Aug 22 02:56:14 it is a game made out of a 3d game engine Aug 22 02:56:24 i first created the game engine Aug 22 02:56:27 then the game Aug 22 02:56:36 if you play'd armagetron, you know what to do Aug 22 02:56:59 i cant run it Aug 22 02:57:13 what happens? Aug 22 02:57:24 absolutely nothing Aug 22 02:57:25 have you tried from x-terminal? Aug 22 02:57:29 nope Aug 22 02:57:38 id have to reinstall it Aug 22 02:57:45 when did you tried? Aug 22 02:57:55 just the other day Aug 22 02:58:11 ill try to reinstall again Aug 22 02:58:39 have you placed the data files on the mmc? Aug 22 02:59:03 i downloaded Aug 22 02:59:09 the zip and uncompressed it Aug 22 02:59:15 then installed Aug 22 02:59:21 but i think i deleted it Aug 22 02:59:31 you missed placing the "storage" folder on the mmc Aug 22 02:59:42 the newer version already bundles the data files on the .deb Aug 22 02:59:45 so it should work Aug 22 02:59:52 I released it last sunday **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 22 02:59:56 2007