**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 22 02:59:56 2007 Aug 22 03:00:21 looking back here on my 770, the engine actually performs good on a simple 3D level Aug 22 03:00:30 im gettin on 770 now Aug 22 03:00:30 to some extent , I sucedded Aug 22 03:01:05 the problem is that angstron levels are very unoptimized Aug 22 03:01:18 and I do most of the optimization just-in-time Aug 22 03:02:48 * NeoStrider feels somewhat better now Aug 22 03:04:25 artemisprime: you conplained about the levels being too "vectorial" . I actually enjoy that look and did that on purpose. SDL_gfx already supports texture mapping Aug 22 03:04:58 right on Aug 22 03:05:10 im trying to get it workin right now Aug 22 03:05:19 is there a reason that UKMP will load, go to a black screen, then crash? Aug 22 03:05:28 NeoStrider is only the second person i've met who has written a 3D engine from scratch :) Aug 22 03:05:30 i have an n800 with the newest OS and software Aug 22 03:06:13 pupnik: this is my forth game engine from scratch, and the third to do all the 3D by itself Aug 22 03:06:15 im sure its quite impressive if i could get it to run :) Aug 22 03:06:23 I did some tests with OpenGL and just plain hate it Aug 22 03:07:40 hey DaniloCesar Aug 22 03:07:50 i want alpha 5 ? Aug 22 03:08:04 yeah Aug 22 03:08:08 its the newer Aug 22 03:08:20 Hi Daniel Aug 22 03:08:22 i think i had the other version before Aug 22 03:08:26 I just noticed some issues with it, but it will work Aug 22 03:08:28 i had to uncompress Aug 22 03:08:42 the new one is just the .deb with everything inside it Aug 22 03:08:51 just install it and you're ready to go Aug 22 03:08:59 awesome Aug 22 03:11:24 ok it runs now Aug 22 03:11:35 but it crashes itself Aug 22 03:11:40 after it starts Aug 22 03:11:46 try running it from x-terminal Aug 22 03:11:49 like after the 3 2 1 Aug 22 03:12:02 whats the path ? Aug 22 03:12:08 no need for path Aug 22 03:12:17 just type "angstron" Aug 22 03:12:20 k Aug 22 03:12:23 goddamn gallery 2 Aug 22 03:12:44 * Luria_ rants Aug 22 03:12:53 * Luria_ rants sum'more Aug 22 03:13:04 * Luria_ goes back ta lurking Aug 22 03:13:41 ok Aug 22 03:13:45 it runs Aug 22 03:13:49 no crash Aug 22 03:13:52 \o/ Aug 22 03:13:54 slow Aug 22 03:13:55 but whats the point Aug 22 03:13:55 <_Monkey> the point is that it does it internally, without rubbing it into Mikho's face Aug 22 03:13:56 but runs Aug 22 03:14:07 what do i do ? Aug 22 03:14:08 _Monkey: forget the point Aug 22 03:14:09 <_Monkey> NeoStrider: I forgot point Aug 22 03:14:20 you must enclose the other bike on your trail Aug 22 03:14:34 he leaves a trail too and will try to do the same with with u Aug 22 03:14:48 your trail is reddish, his are bluish Aug 22 03:14:58 you have the green "radar" to help you Aug 22 03:15:54 i dont see any trails Aug 22 03:15:58 this is impossible Aug 22 03:15:59 hehe Aug 22 03:16:03 you're leaving it behind Aug 22 03:16:19 when you get close your foe, you will see it on the floor Aug 22 03:17:08 i keep running into the purple wall Aug 22 03:17:48 use left and right to do a 45° turn Aug 22 03:17:50 sorry Aug 22 03:17:53 s/45/90/ Aug 22 03:18:25 just press left and right Aug 22 03:18:30 and be calm Aug 22 03:18:40 some more camera angles might help also - e.g. a more top-down one Aug 22 03:18:52 yeah...im working on it Aug 22 03:19:01 but its not that simple Aug 22 03:19:34 while the BZK (the underlying engine) is a full 3D game engine, it just support XZ transformations Aug 22 03:19:39 so I cant look up and down Aug 22 03:19:41 yeah Aug 22 03:19:48 i cant see whats going on Aug 22 03:19:54 i get the point Aug 22 03:19:59 and nice rendering Aug 22 03:20:04 thx Aug 22 03:20:05 but its unplayable Aug 22 03:20:15 you just need to get used to it =-) Aug 22 03:20:25 I play it all the time Aug 22 03:20:28 well i wont uninstall it again Aug 22 03:20:29 hehe Aug 22 03:20:33 =-) Aug 22 03:20:36 cuz it runs now Aug 22 03:20:47 rc4 wasnt workin Aug 22 03:20:49 I indeed put a sleep on the desktop version to make it play like the 770 version Aug 22 03:21:00 (on desktop its unplayable fast) Aug 22 03:21:20 for debian ? Aug 22 03:21:28 I will produce a video tutorial very soon =-) Aug 22 03:21:33 yeah. made with ubuntu Aug 22 03:21:48 but its not on repos Aug 22 03:22:02 oh Aug 22 03:22:21 and about the rendering speed, im working on it Aug 22 03:22:24 its too slow Aug 22 03:22:37 working on it RIGHT NOW Aug 22 03:22:37 cool Aug 22 03:22:40 hehe Aug 22 03:23:08 i dont program Aug 22 03:23:15 if you want to try other levels, just type "angstron level2.bzk2" to "angstron level6.bzk2" Aug 22 03:23:19 so i cant criticize your work Aug 22 03:23:24 ;) Aug 22 03:23:27 yes you can Aug 22 03:23:34 you're the costumer Aug 22 03:23:36 my target Aug 22 03:23:54 ur part of the ecosystem Aug 22 03:23:54 true Aug 22 03:23:57 hehe Aug 22 03:24:02 right Aug 22 03:24:23 not only you can, but you should Aug 22 03:24:43 maybe my ashtethics for vectorial looks isnt the best thing Aug 22 03:25:12 vector can be difficult for anything Aug 22 03:25:14 maybe I should explain more about the game before throwing the level Aug 22 03:25:44 I just plain love this 80ish look Aug 22 03:26:01 I grew playing games like that Aug 22 03:26:16 tempest, starfox, you know Aug 22 03:26:19 running Aug 22 03:26:33 angstron level2.bzk2 crashed it Aug 22 03:26:35 Im quite proud of level3.bzk2 and level6.bzk2 Aug 22 03:26:44 yes, I noticed this one. Im investigating Aug 22 03:28:32 level3 works Aug 22 03:28:54 so to pass a level you must make the foe crash Aug 22 03:29:03 kinda like 3d 2 player snake Aug 22 03:29:09 exactly! Aug 22 03:29:25 but its just that i cant see my foe Aug 22 03:29:29 thats the problem Aug 22 03:29:43 I indeed had some ideas of making some multilevel maps...but the render couldnt handle it well Aug 22 03:29:46 the radar doesnt seem to help Aug 22 03:30:06 humm...what could be improved on the radar? Aug 22 03:30:45 it doesnt mAKE sense tome Aug 22 03:31:09 well.. it doesnt show the top view of the arena, but whats ahead of you Aug 22 03:31:12 its like a sonar Aug 22 03:31:36 i keep dying and i dont know why Aug 22 03:31:43 it like all of a sudden Aug 22 03:31:47 but I think I noticed some bugs on it Aug 22 03:31:54 have you pressed "down"? Aug 22 03:32:09 or maybe left/right to many times repeatly? Aug 22 03:32:25 nope Aug 22 03:32:27 neither Aug 22 03:32:28 <_Monkey> neither is yahoo Aug 22 03:32:39 humm Aug 22 03:32:45 should i press down ? Aug 22 03:32:48 no Aug 22 03:32:59 I should indeed stop handling that key Aug 22 03:33:11 it breaks the bike and makes you pass over your own trail Aug 22 03:33:36 have you passed over the blue trail? Aug 22 03:34:08 wait Aug 22 03:34:12 i get it now Aug 22 03:34:18 i beat level 1 Aug 22 03:34:19 hehe Aug 22 03:34:24 great! Aug 22 03:34:39 gees Aug 22 03:34:46 if it was faster that would be bad Aug 22 03:34:57 the trick it to avoid dying and let the foe die from his own dumbness Aug 22 03:35:05 after i won the match Aug 22 03:35:09 yeah...you should see on my PC hhahahha Aug 22 03:35:16 it returned me back to desktop Aug 22 03:35:21 hummm Aug 22 03:35:31 try "angstron level3.bzk2" Aug 22 03:35:38 i did Aug 22 03:35:52 then it put me back to level 1 Aug 22 03:35:57 after a while Aug 22 03:36:01 then it beat level 1 Aug 22 03:36:06 and then it crashed Aug 22 03:36:10 yeah...it temporaritly replaces level1 with level3 Aug 22 03:36:28 I will fix that tomorow in the morning Aug 22 03:36:31 what do u mean ? Aug 22 03:36:42 ?? Aug 22 03:37:09 i was playin level 3 first Aug 22 03:37:20 then it went back to level 1 Aug 22 03:37:27 yes...see, there is these slots for the levels Aug 22 03:37:30 after dying several times Aug 22 03:37:42 how many levels are there ? Aug 22 03:37:51 when calling that special command line, you temporary replace it with a new level Aug 22 03:37:55 7 levels Aug 22 03:38:10 2 for training, 3 with regular foes and 2 bosses Aug 22 03:38:17 gotcha Aug 22 03:38:25 im trying 6 now Aug 22 03:38:31 the trainging ones get the green bike foe - a hologram Aug 22 03:38:40 i love the 'Select location' in angstron install... Aug 22 03:38:42 no dice Aug 22 03:38:42 the regular biker is grey with dark gray bike Aug 22 03:38:47 and there is the bosses Aug 22 03:38:51 on level6 Aug 22 03:39:00 pupnik: ??? Aug 22 03:39:08 just need that dialog for data files in these big ports Aug 22 03:39:17 nevermind i'll study the .deb Aug 22 03:39:44 pupnik: just shamelessly stole it from bomberman autotools files (MaemoWizard) Aug 22 03:40:11 just understood the problem with level2.bzk2 Aug 22 03:40:13 permissions Aug 22 03:40:27 I must set it again on the package and re-upload it Aug 22 03:40:28 cant run 6 or 7 either Aug 22 03:40:31 same as 2 Aug 22 03:40:40 let me try here Aug 22 03:41:05 probably the same thing Aug 22 03:41:20 4 works Aug 22 03:41:21 (7 doesnt exist) Aug 22 03:41:32 the first level is level 0 Aug 22 03:41:41 oh Aug 22 03:41:44 yeah...6 is not working Aug 22 03:41:44 i get it Aug 22 03:41:53 it is actually start.bzk2 Aug 22 03:42:09 the engine automaticly loads a start.bzk2 as a default map Aug 22 03:42:14 (sort of a index.html) Aug 22 03:42:19 right Aug 22 03:42:26 try level5 Aug 22 03:42:47 level5.bzk2 Aug 22 03:42:51 ? Aug 22 03:42:51 yes Aug 22 03:43:39 work Aug 22 03:43:52 good Aug 22 03:43:56 its boss1 Aug 22 03:44:04 the IA is no diferent from the others yet Aug 22 03:44:11 but it will improve on the next release Aug 22 03:44:33 i won Aug 22 03:44:39 first try Aug 22 03:44:46 nice Aug 22 03:45:00 cool =-) Aug 22 03:45:13 the "fade" efect looks good enough? Aug 22 03:45:23 what do u mean ? Aug 22 03:45:35 the effect of the picture fading to black Aug 22 03:45:43 on my desktop it looked better Aug 22 03:45:58 when the game is over Aug 22 03:46:13 yes that works Aug 22 03:46:16 nice Aug 22 03:46:59 there is some issues on the SDL port of the 770 that you just see when you run the game on it Aug 22 03:47:16 website nearly unhosed. +1 me Aug 22 03:47:41 i dunno Aug 22 03:47:46 i gotta hit the hay though Aug 22 03:47:57 goodnight Aug 22 03:48:01 now to find a radio and file that bug i promised to file Aug 22 03:48:12 me too Aug 22 03:48:16 nice work neo Aug 22 03:48:18 thanks for you time =-) Aug 22 03:48:21 sure Aug 22 03:48:21 thank you Aug 22 03:48:23 no prob Aug 22 03:48:28 'night Aug 22 03:48:31 night Aug 22 03:48:35 the map should show the walls Aug 22 03:48:56 hum...ok.. I will try that tomorrow Aug 22 03:48:59 yo Darksmurf-770, you around? Aug 22 03:49:03 * NeoStrider writes it to the list Aug 22 03:49:09 well just an idea :) Aug 22 03:49:23 no, it's now a feature request. Aug 22 03:49:48 got my first! \o Aug 22 03:49:53 Yeah Aug 22 03:50:21 got to go Aug 22 03:50:23 cya! Aug 22 03:51:36 So weird seeing an irc chat in my hands while walking around. The thumb keyboard works well. Aug 22 03:52:59 * Luria_ is tinkering with css, 5px at a time Aug 22 03:53:20 Darksmurf-770, what radios did you have? Aug 22 03:54:03 its funny, i went off looking for one, and now im leaning to getting a yaesu vx-7r... which is in the picture with the n800 on hildonham Aug 22 03:55:26 Mostly handhelds. Vx7 was great for a tri-bander. It did 2m,6m,440mhz and low power on 220. Iirc. Aug 22 03:56:01 I was typing that before you said that. Aug 22 03:56:09 heh Aug 22 03:56:34 which is the best... "version" to get Aug 22 03:57:11 i have no intent to break any fcc laws, but i am in europe, sometimes and i hate artificial limitations... Aug 22 03:57:24 Vx2 was a nice low power ht. For cheap single band look at the vx150. That thing is a brick. Aug 22 03:57:51 i was looking at the 170/177 Aug 22 03:58:12 but i hate having a bunch of sets Aug 22 03:58:47 The uk has different band splits for repeaters. Go with the uk ver Aug 22 03:59:13 is there a cell unblock for the vx-7r (or conversely, a 220 mod for the eu model) Aug 22 03:59:22 Err, i misread that. Get the us. Aug 22 03:59:47 ah Aug 22 04:00:12 Let me get a keyboard,..brb Aug 22 04:00:15 np Aug 22 04:00:22 i know how you feel Aug 22 04:02:05 ok, this is much better Aug 22 04:02:17 USB Host mode rocks. Aug 22 04:02:25 nice Aug 22 04:03:05 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> is there a nokia 770 USB host mode?? Aug 22 04:03:20 ok. The VX7 can be modded for out of band use. It'll open up anything the hardware is capable to tx-ing on if you open it up far enough. There are other ways to make it into just a UK radio, or just USA, etc. Aug 22 04:03:33 yeah. It works quite well. its the main reason I got the 770 Aug 22 04:03:41 I'm using a USB keyboard right now. Aug 22 04:03:57 It will be nice to be in class taking notes on this thing. :-) Aug 22 04:05:52 Luria the VX7 is a great radio. It'll be the last radio you buy. That said, it does a LOT. You may think about getting another, simpler radio also. I've found that a simple radio works better in some situations (namely when volenteering, etc.) Aug 22 04:06:09 right Aug 22 04:06:13 but im in nyc Aug 22 04:06:33 so id like as much versatility - Aug 22 04:06:39 You'll love it no matter what. Aug 22 04:06:49 cause i dont have a ton of room, space wise or band wise Aug 22 04:07:34 It'll work very well as a 'base' radio if you put an outside antenna. I bet you'll be able to get out quite well from an apartment. Aug 22 04:07:40 afk..gotta check the steaks... Aug 22 04:07:51 i just seems silly to have a .5k-1ghz discriminator and then lopping off 20% Aug 22 04:09:08 back Aug 22 04:09:33 dew Aug 22 04:09:35 oh yeah, the cell block. Forgot your question about that. As far as I know there is no way around it. Aug 22 04:10:44 It sucks because it blocks most RX on the ham 900mhz band. I've got a few motorola 900 trunking radios, but I dont have too many 900 receivers. Aug 22 04:11:50 oh, and if you can find someone to program motorola gear you can get 2m and 70cm gear CHEAP. Aug 22 04:12:15 so then perhaps its best to get a jap/eu model? Aug 22 04:13:02 but those dont have 220 (out of the box at least) Aug 22 04:13:21 I'd get the US. I gotta go, dinner is calling Aug 22 04:13:26 k thanks Aug 22 04:16:28 Does anyone know if gparted will fix an SD card that was corrupted by an n800? Aug 22 04:17:47 re Aug 22 04:24:17 yes Aug 22 04:24:50 Is that directed at me? Aug 22 04:24:54 yes Aug 22 04:25:22 Ok thanks! Aug 22 04:28:00 pupnik: I got response from what I believe is the lead of PocketSphinx Aug 22 04:28:09 I sent an email Aug 22 04:31:55 erstazi: what cpu performance does it require? Aug 22 04:32:09 mmm not sure Aug 22 04:32:13 but its minimal Aug 22 04:32:26 PocketSphinx is optimized for embedded systems Aug 22 04:32:31 nice Aug 22 04:32:35 and he said he has it working on a n800 Aug 22 04:32:44 but it needs gstreamer plug in or some sort Aug 22 04:32:57 https://cmusphinx.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cmusphinx/trunk/gst-pocketsphinx/ Aug 22 04:33:28 so I am sure that can work somehow with OS2006 Aug 22 04:35:00 oh hot Aug 22 04:35:16 now i can use irc when im in the bathtub Aug 22 04:35:48 haha Aug 22 04:37:03 i drove dougb off, apparently Aug 22 04:38:02 the thought of me whispering and repeating sweet nothings (and then repeating, clearly) to my n800 was just too much for him. Aug 22 04:57:17 morning Aug 22 04:57:17 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 22 05:00:39 _Monkey? Aug 22 05:00:39 <_Monkey> Luria_? Aug 22 05:00:49 _Monkey, _Monkey ? Aug 22 05:00:50 <_Monkey> i heard i was the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now Aug 22 05:03:29 anyone ever get this? "parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at changelog line 5" Aug 22 05:09:00 ugh Aug 22 05:22:33 Debian package tools tend to be picky about the changelog format, what does line 5 look like? Aug 22 05:24:14 zuh: I got it fixed, it was the maintainer part... not between the email and date... but before the email Aug 22 05:24:21 there were two new lines and I correct that Aug 22 05:24:55 zuh: what is the easiest way to handle 3 packages? one main package and 2 dependencies? Aug 22 05:24:59 meta-package? Aug 22 05:25:27 Depends on how they relate to each other of course, and whether they are useful on their own. Aug 22 05:25:48 neither are useful on their one... one is an extension of gstreamer Aug 22 05:26:23 s/their one/their own/ Aug 22 05:26:24 erstazi meant: neither are useful on their own... one is an extension of gstreamer Aug 22 05:37:39 I was given a N770, and I did not look at what was in it before flashing. After flashing it shows a tool icon, and green text (version information), then boots normally. Same on every boot. The touchscreen is also a bit unresponsive. Did something go wrong with flashing or does the green text and icon mean this was a devel version, or something? Aug 22 05:39:38 Green text means the device is in R&D mode. Aug 22 05:39:58 How does one get it out of that mode? Aug 22 05:40:00 You can disable R&D mode with the flasher tool. Aug 22 05:40:26 I wish I knew how Aug 22 05:40:33 Run the flasher with --help Aug 22 05:41:18 What does R&D mode do? Research and developement, but how does it affect the device? Aug 22 05:42:01 Mainly it prints out that text and it allows sudo gainroot to work without messing with ssh. Aug 22 05:42:36 I can't remember if it also shows you all the packages in the package manager like red pill mode, also. Aug 22 05:43:01 so maybe I want to activate later, but not during the user-device honeymoon Aug 22 05:43:20 I run my device in R&D mode all the time. Aug 22 05:44:15 probably because you use it, I assume Aug 22 05:47:49 This baby is significantly more sluggish that the other n770, weird. Aug 22 05:51:34 s/that/than Aug 22 05:52:02 I notice it even when they are not side by side, but especially when they are. Aug 22 05:56:00 mhehe Aug 22 05:57:04 @ "device honeymoon" Aug 22 06:07:38 Do these things usually require more pressure when they get older, or it the touchscreen pressure configurable somewhere? Aug 22 06:08:51 Lynoure: the touchscreen gets wears out over time, requiring you to press harder to get the same pressure value Aug 22 06:09:12 but it shouldn't affect stylus use Aug 22 06:09:27 here something does Aug 22 06:09:29 only finger detection Aug 22 06:09:45 But I'm a small woman, not using much force to start with Aug 22 06:10:07 hmm, how bad is it? Aug 22 06:10:30 if anything, actually, finger use seems more reactive Aug 22 06:10:44 much more reactive. Aug 22 06:11:36 what about the stylus? if you try to draw a continuous line in sketch, does it break? Aug 22 06:11:45 lle2: so bad it makes it near hateful to use with stylus... Aug 22 06:11:50 I'll try Aug 22 06:12:30 I should send you a screensho =) Aug 22 06:12:46 "what line, how do I get anything on the screen" Aug 22 06:12:58 Lynoure: if you have a digicam, please take a picture Aug 22 06:13:04 then some dots and dashes with my normal pressure Aug 22 06:14:27 Lynoure: I've seen one other touchscreen with that kind of degradation problem, it would be really good if you could send it back to Nokia for repair Aug 22 06:15:56 I was given this one Aug 22 06:16:08 probably no warranty left, certainly no receipt Aug 22 06:16:48 hmm, that's a 770, right? Aug 22 06:16:52 yes Aug 22 06:17:23 Middle part has only dots, and those only on the right hand side of the screen, top and bottom do better Aug 22 06:18:35 I'll ask the hw guys what policy we have with beyond warranty touchscreen trouble Aug 22 06:19:13 it's just that it would actually benefit us if we got our hands on that touchscreen Aug 22 06:19:27 if I draw vertical lines, it looks like someone watering grass Aug 22 06:19:43 clearly totally broken Aug 22 06:20:36 lle2: well, it's such pain to use that I'll let anyone get their hands on it, as long as I get it back eventually Aug 22 06:21:05 (It's still somewhat useful as a PDF reader, that does not take much touching) Aug 22 06:24:27 lle2: I got a non-totally blurry photo of that... I'll put it up somewhere soon Aug 22 06:24:45 Lynoure: thanks Aug 22 06:26:46 http://lynoure.org/pict2005.jpg Aug 22 06:28:02 I know the right side can do slightly bettet than that, the horizontal lines were non-existent only on the left, and just spotty-dashy on the right (more badly in the middle). But the photo of that got way blurry Aug 22 06:29:04 Lynoure: ok, I think this is probably partly the same issue as with n800 Aug 22 06:29:45 If it helps someone to disect the device, I'd say go ahead :) Aug 22 06:30:45 no need for hammers and tongs yet, I'd say a simple kernel bypass surgery is enough Aug 22 06:30:57 (I'll need to dash to work in about 4min, you can mgs me here, or reach me by lynoure@gmail.com/+35844 2770141) Aug 22 06:33:50 or just talk to me on the channel, it'll highlight too... Aug 22 06:45:24 Hi to all Aug 22 07:11:17 you should check out sidux if you like debian Lynoure Aug 22 07:36:22 How do i find out which com port IR is using? on my notebook, running xp pro Aug 22 07:36:44 built in IR Aug 22 07:37:29 does built in use a com port? Aug 22 07:37:52 pretty sure thats why the signals are not being picked up. Aug 22 07:38:32 nvm Aug 22 07:57:17 wow, nice thunderstorm Aug 22 07:57:25 indeed Aug 22 07:59:04 Hopefully it'll clear up before it's time to go home... Aug 22 07:59:24 I mean it's nice to look at it, behind a window Aug 22 07:59:45 yes Aug 22 08:00:21 Hopefully it'll clear up before I get hungry :) Aug 22 08:01:22 Fortunately I have some lunch in the fridge, no need to go out :) Aug 22 08:09:53 good morning Aug 22 08:10:41 Hi Aug 22 08:27:55 tigert: sounds like home office is dead :) Aug 22 08:28:33 heh Aug 22 08:28:39 timelE61i: mine works still Aug 22 08:28:43 the storm is heading that way though Aug 22 08:30:12 R&d mode enables your device to run out of battery much faster Aug 22 08:30:38 lle: i sent you a patch a while ago, right? Aug 22 08:31:08 luria: note that the hardware arrow keys work, unlike vkb tab Aug 22 08:32:14 hmm, my router seems to have two less lan ports this morning Aug 22 08:32:24 lol Aug 22 08:59:25 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1658315558785013776 Sherry Peel Jackson and the Income Tax - 1 hr 42 min Aug 22 09:00:18 fewer, even Aug 22 09:02:44 great speech by her - i'd never seen it before Aug 22 09:20:07 timelE61i: yeah, but it's stuck in my nokia mailbox Aug 22 09:48:45 any ideas why apt-get update ignores my local repository? Ign file: ./ Release Aug 22 09:49:12 sources.list entry is deb file:///home/vranki/alldebs/ ./ Aug 22 09:49:37 i've built the Packages.gz with dpkg-scanpackages Aug 22 09:54:39 http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=332251 Aug 22 09:54:41 cool Aug 22 10:35:49 morning all Aug 22 11:21:22 re Aug 22 11:27:57 i love the new kagu player :) Aug 22 11:28:25 i love it's ad2p ability Aug 22 11:29:04 yeah, mostly the working forward/backward button support :) Aug 22 11:29:27 the new queue feature isn't bad either Aug 22 11:30:08 but i still like the way ukmp looks and feels more Aug 22 11:34:46 queue feature? Aug 22 11:35:00 haven't seen that yet, what is it? Aug 22 11:41:52 * Editable playlist support: Enqueue whole album, individual song, and clear playlist buttons Aug 22 11:42:17 new in the 1.0.6 version Aug 22 11:57:24 n800 is so yummy Aug 22 12:01:43 mh, sounds nice, will have to look for it Aug 22 12:03:40 i see, just need the new version :) Aug 22 12:05:41 That a2dp is a bit of a pita isn't it, need to decode from something e.g. mp3, then re-encode to sbc Aug 22 12:07:36 it's a total kludge, but who cares, it works Aug 22 12:08:02 oh yes, would be nice on the dsp though Aug 22 12:08:25 until nokia gets it's collective head out of it's ass and puts bluetooth profiles like it should have back in the 770, it's all we have Aug 22 12:08:40 is there a mirror for maemo.org.br ? Aug 22 12:08:48 what will that do to lowe cpu consumption of a2dp? Aug 22 12:09:25 make it part of he firmware and write the correct libs to use instead of kludging it? Aug 22 12:09:31 should do wonders Aug 22 12:09:44 yeah, but that relies on Nokia writing a DSP task for it Aug 22 12:09:56 like i said, nokia needs to do it Aug 22 12:10:35 even just a plain bluetooth headset profile would be good for now, so peoplecan use a bt headset with skype Aug 22 12:10:51 but noooo they leav out that Aug 22 12:10:56 :) Aug 22 12:11:39 instead they give us a crappy cam and near useless video chat software Aug 22 12:11:52 write your won then Aug 22 12:11:55 own even Aug 22 12:12:35 like i said nokia has to do it Aug 22 12:13:05 ought to do it, they don;t have to do anything Aug 22 12:14:25 sure they do, even a simple thing like a bluetooth profile that is available on *all* their cell phones would have been logical Aug 22 12:14:26 Anyone seen a good guide to XDAIS? I'm interested to know if we can hook into the existing DSP tasks somehow Aug 22 12:14:42 after all, it's an N series device...a consumer device Aug 22 12:15:49 lardman: Some company seems to have done SBC on C55x.. Aug 22 12:15:54 iWALTZ consists of Bluetooth audio (A2DP) and remote control (AVRCP) profiles, ARM9 and TI C55x DSP optimized Sub-band encoder (SBC) Aug 22 12:16:09 What's stopping someone from hacking together a proof of concept then for the headset profile? Aug 22 12:16:21 Not open source though :( Aug 22 12:16:48 X-Fade_: yeah, it's certainly possible, just means someone needs to write an mp3 decoder and an sbc encoder all in one go Aug 22 12:17:55 Yeah, that would be the best option. Having sound go through the dsp twice is not optimal.. Aug 22 12:18:22 I don't know how to access the bt harware (of if it's possible), as then it would never have to come out again Aug 22 12:19:02 Ideally one would be able to stack codecs together to decode from some arbitrary format and re-encode into another (sbc in this case) Aug 22 12:19:14 GStreamer on a DSP! Aug 22 12:19:17 :) Aug 22 12:22:02 Does skype on n800 work with a bluetooth headset then? Aug 22 12:23:00 presumably not, I was just wondering what was stopping someone from doing a similar hack to the a2dp one to get it working Aug 22 12:23:57 whaq, no Aug 22 12:24:14 argh.. hopefully on the next firmware, eh Aug 22 12:24:30 lard, besides the fact that skype isn't open? Aug 22 12:24:40 Nokia's developments on the n800 doesn't seem to be that transparent.. Aug 22 12:24:46 the app has to support it Aug 22 12:24:52 hm Aug 22 12:25:05 Gigabites: Ah, there is that. Will it work with anything else? Or couldnt' the audio data be intercepted? Aug 22 12:25:20 the queue feature in kagu player is really cool, just - how can i remove files from the queue or even edit it? Aug 22 12:25:53 I think I saw a changelog of the latest kagu mentioning queue edit function.. Aug 22 12:26:10 i'm to stupid to find the button i guess Aug 22 12:27:05 grey, https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/94 Aug 22 12:28:20 er ooops Aug 22 12:28:45 that has nothing to do with what you were asking, sorry Aug 22 12:28:55 ok, then i stop wondering ;) Aug 22 12:29:24 the author is still streamlining the playlist function Aug 22 12:32:34 giga, sure I don't expect wonders, actually i'm more happy with kagu than with most other available players ;) Aug 22 12:35:15 hello everyone Aug 22 12:52:55 bye Aug 22 13:07:18 GStreamer? Aug 22 13:15:27 _Monkey is missing ): Aug 22 13:19:55 mh, testing on maemo only gets tracked in the wiki, right? Aug 22 13:28:38 erstazi: what happend to it? Aug 22 13:28:46 or her Aug 22 13:30:05 keesj: _Monkey is abot Aug 22 13:30:11 s/abot/a bot/ Aug 22 13:30:11 erstazi meant: keesj: _Monkey is a bot Aug 22 13:31:04 erstazi: that does not answer my question Aug 22 13:31:51 keesj: haha not sure, I think the owner shut down for the night/day? Aug 22 13:37:16 hey folks Aug 22 13:44:55 hey...how do I chmod something for all users? Aug 22 13:45:12 chmod +rw *.bzk2 (where do I specify it is for all users?) Aug 22 13:45:14 NeoStrider: for all users? Aug 22 13:45:18 yeah Aug 22 13:45:26 wgats all users ? Aug 22 13:45:30 I have the options owner, group, filegroup , all Aug 22 13:45:38 chmod ugo+rw Aug 22 13:45:43 thanks Aug 22 13:45:56 tommim: I was just going to type that ahah Aug 22 13:45:59 chmod 666 Aug 22 13:46:00 ? Aug 22 13:46:00 I need to sleep Aug 22 13:46:01 chmod a+rwx Aug 22 13:46:01 ;) Aug 22 13:46:15 i did ugoa Aug 22 13:47:22 how do I use the octal mode? Aug 22 13:48:19 ok Aug 22 13:48:20 did it Aug 22 13:48:22 thanks! Aug 22 15:35:01 wb pupnik Aug 22 15:36:40 servus Aug 22 15:48:30 Grrr .. It's so annoying how when you plug head phones in the master volume turns down >:( Aug 22 15:51:07 good safety feature imo Aug 22 15:51:29 i have good headphones and the output is enough to hurt Aug 22 15:56:23 don't like the default vi colorscheme? comments too dark blue? in vi type :colorscheme and tab tab to go through different colorschemes for your source hilighting. i like "delek" so far Aug 22 15:57:25 Whaq__: nokia/maemo is trying to convert from totally closed to fairly open. It's not a simple process, but complaining here is mostly insulting... Contribute where things are open. Build a positive reputation and then lobby Aug 22 15:58:50 re Aug 22 16:01:58 koehler is also good - control statements bright yellow is goodness Aug 22 16:25:05 * k-s[WORK] is away: out for lunch Aug 22 16:26:21 timelE61i: I'd say my previous comment was an observation, which you've confirmed. Not a complaint, nor did I ever think of insulting the fine people who develop for the Maemo platform. Aug 22 16:27:00 Does anybody know how to install swfdec or gnash o Aug 22 16:27:14 On the 770 Aug 22 16:31:45 Emh5945: You do realize that they are not going to be fast enough to be useful? Aug 22 16:33:15 I know, but i just would like to try Aug 22 16:34:50 I guess you could install the SDK and compile them from sources then, I doubt anyone has made packages for them Aug 22 16:35:39 Sorry, i'm new, how would i do that? Aug 22 16:37:01 I guess http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html would be the place to start Aug 22 16:40:31 Thank you Aug 22 17:21:30 yaay fixed my onscreen buttons \o/ - one step closer to a release :) Aug 22 17:22:27 ~One bug at a time... sweet jesus. One bug at a time... sweet lord.~ Aug 22 17:23:50 pupnik: what app? Aug 22 17:24:08 Ur Quan Masters Aug 22 17:25:24 btw on angstron when i started the default level i saw no textures, then at some points i saw textures again Aug 22 17:25:31 it was pretty strange looking Aug 22 17:27:26 Beereward for me! Aug 22 17:28:27 it wasnt textures...it was the backdrop =-) Aug 22 17:28:35 sometimes the render leaves a hole Aug 22 17:28:45 its somewhat normal...lots of games does that Aug 22 17:30:39 if only my clipping worked, I could have a huge speed boost right now. I did some cool optimization...but the render leaves huge holes becouse I do poor man's clipping Aug 22 17:32:16 I must do my clipping correctly...then , angstron will do very fast... Aug 22 17:40:28 Do you guys read RSS on your ITs? Aug 22 17:40:48 whaq: microb can :) Aug 22 17:40:51 (And is the built-in RSS reader adequate for your need?) Aug 22 17:41:05 oh really? Aug 22 17:41:06 personally, i like google reader Aug 22 17:41:26 can't use it offline though? Aug 22 17:41:33 it doesn't subscribe, but it can render rss Aug 22 17:41:39 ah okay Aug 22 17:41:40 right Aug 22 17:42:00 I'll check it out Aug 22 17:42:02 but google reader at least for desktops can work offline Aug 22 17:42:08 I've seen many recommendation about it.. Aug 22 17:42:16 and minireader.com (or some such) Aug 22 17:42:21 hmm Aug 22 17:42:27 so i'd recommend reader... Portability and such Aug 22 17:42:40 so, how do we install perl moduiles on OS2007 R4? do we use perl -MCPAN -e shell? Aug 22 17:42:40 Ok Aug 22 17:42:47 consistent read state across devices... Aug 22 17:43:07 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. Aug 22 17:43:07 rik: sounds reasonable Aug 22 17:43:09 Is this one of the first app that google is preparing for their offline-web-app framework thingamajig? Aug 22 17:43:22 Yeah, that is really appealing. Aug 22 17:43:32 hm Aug 22 17:43:57 whaq: i can't speak for order, but yeah reader does offline Aug 22 17:44:07 can't locate CPAN.pm in @INC. Aug 22 17:44:12 calender, docs and mail will... Aug 22 17:44:23 rik: oops Aug 22 17:44:31 It's gonna do wonder for N800 Aug 22 17:44:33 indeed. Aug 22 17:44:37 better than JVM even Aug 22 17:44:41 i'm asking perl people, i ncase there's an easy colution. Aug 22 17:45:47 iirc you can get cpan Aug 22 17:45:55 as a tarball Aug 22 17:46:22 yeah Aug 22 17:46:27 seems ugly though. Aug 22 17:46:52 i'm trying to get RackMonkey or some other data centre asset management application working on my N800. Aug 22 17:47:05 i'm not convinced anything is going to be pretty thoug h:) Aug 22 17:47:48 oh hell. the cpan tarball is 11.3 meg. Aug 22 17:48:58 don't grab it via gprs :) Aug 22 17:49:44 avian packets. Aug 22 17:50:47 As long as they're high capacity low cost avian carriers :) Aug 22 17:51:20 actually, i think they need to amend that rfc... well, the latency hasn't improved, but there is an out of spec method that increases the frame size... Aug 22 17:51:39 taping microsd cards to a bird's leg Aug 22 17:51:57 i think they need to revisit the issue Aug 22 17:53:51 but whatever, i'm a new yorker. im just looking to get rid of line noise... that will shit on you if you aren't careful Aug 22 17:58:23 timel* you there? Aug 22 17:59:11 timelE61i, thats the one your using. Aug 22 17:59:46 yes Aug 22 18:00:18 having dinner w/ our team Aug 22 18:00:29 what's up? Aug 22 18:00:55 did you file the bug and note that the hardware keys work? Aug 22 18:01:43 * timelE61i wonders if this is already filed Aug 22 18:01:51 it sure sound familiar Aug 22 18:04:07 not yet, there was something i wanted to ask you Aug 22 18:04:22 the case is more general than vkb tab Aug 22 18:05:09 i.e. if you tap in a password field, and hit enter on the keyboard, for example, Aug 22 18:05:30 and the next page loads and puts the focus in a search field, Aug 22 18:05:40 oh wow Aug 22 18:05:46 the search field will be treated as hidden Aug 22 18:05:57 heh Aug 22 18:06:15 iow, *any* means of switching focus that dont use the tap method have this problem Aug 22 18:06:30 Tap or hardware keys Aug 22 18:07:02 using a tap seems to be the only to get the input method to be checked Aug 22 18:07:20 Can the reverse happen? Auto focus on password? Aug 22 18:07:29 try the arrow keys Aug 22 18:07:37 ok, one sec Aug 22 18:07:42 in my testing they work Aug 22 18:07:57 im sorry, you are right Aug 22 18:08:08 i think dpad works Aug 22 18:08:40 i dont know if this is a hildon input issue or a microb issue Aug 22 18:09:15 can you retest opera? Aug 22 18:10:00 there is an associated issue - browser focus doesnt move when you vkb tab to the password field, so often, it get stuck "under" the vkb Aug 22 18:10:53 i suspect the two issues are related - but microb has scrolling issues of its own Aug 22 18:10:59 yeah Aug 22 18:13:46 btw, how do i delete selected words from the autocomplete Aug 22 18:14:10 this is kind of a security issue... it "learned" some of my passwords :-( Aug 22 18:14:13 i've been meaning to read the source Aug 22 18:14:27 i'd suggest teaching it: Aug 22 18:14:28 hahah Aug 22 18:14:32 i'm not happy about that Aug 22 18:14:33 yeah it learned some of mine too Aug 22 18:14:47 right, but in xterm, thats to be expected Aug 22 18:14:47 supercalifragilisticexpealidocious Aug 22 18:14:58 and then doing a grep Aug 22 18:15:02 gotcha Aug 22 18:15:45 if you remind me when i'm at work tomorrow, i'll check Aug 22 18:16:02 np Aug 22 18:16:05 * timelE61i is used to reverse engineering Aug 22 18:16:25 source access is a novel concept Aug 22 18:16:30 oh look, it's opera, my old friend Aug 22 18:16:41 one sec, testing Aug 22 18:17:15 you could of course use strace on the im app Aug 22 18:17:20 or lsof Aug 22 18:17:27 nope Aug 22 18:17:35 opera is fine in every respect Aug 22 18:17:42 Hello, anynone knows where I can get some informations about mnotify? Aug 22 18:17:59 focus also shifted when i hit vkb tab Aug 22 18:18:25 I am wondering how it sends my gmail password thru the network if it uses ssl or not.. Aug 22 18:19:04 actually, timelE61i can i complain to you about the gmail notifier? Aug 22 18:19:25 why does it go to http://gmail.com and not https://gmail.com Aug 22 18:19:45 ok, Luria_, that was my second question. :) Aug 22 18:19:49 i'd like to protect more than my password :-) Aug 22 18:19:50 I don't think i know anything about it Aug 22 18:19:55 url? Aug 22 18:20:10 <`0660> i think you can conplain to anyone about it Aug 22 18:20:22 no, its the official nokia gmail hildon status bar app Aug 22 18:20:49 <`0660> but you should consider filing a bug if you want something to happen Aug 22 18:20:53 gmail behavior is to revert to whatever protocol you came to the login pase with Aug 22 18:20:57 not all nokia apps are from the maemo team Aug 22 18:21:19 if it's from tableteer, it's likely to not be ours Aug 22 18:21:41 but i have bugzilla access for the db for one other group Aug 22 18:22:05 send me an email w/ instructions to install and i'll figure it out Aug 22 18:22:29 so http login -> https submit ->http mail index Aug 22 18:22:50 Note: we've spent months trying to get tableteer.nokia.com to honor microb Aug 22 18:22:54 if you go to http://gmail. com, https login page -> https submit ->https mail index Aug 22 18:23:13 which is a big difference on a random 802.11 AP Aug 22 18:23:26 i'll email you when i get a chance tonight Aug 22 18:23:48 Yeah, i know the redirect Aug 22 18:24:16 I believe the handshake (login) with gmail is done thru https anyway Aug 22 18:24:22 but, just as important, do you want me to generalize the bug, or file it with the vkb tab only and add other methods (vkb enter to load new page) Aug 22 18:24:24 which is the most important thing Aug 22 18:24:58 i'm going to try again w/ the site tomorrow Aug 22 18:25:45 Luria_ Aug 22 18:25:47 not grokking... Aug 22 18:25:54 I'd say file first, generalize later Aug 22 18:26:06 ok Aug 22 18:26:09 site tomorrow is me re: a different bug Aug 22 18:27:14 all right, im meeting a friend is a somewhat fruitless attempt to teach him programming. while he's reading, i'll post the bug as per your email. Aug 22 18:27:48 ok, pizza time. Aug 22 18:29:30 glad to see there are a bunch of ham people with ITs Aug 22 18:29:55 hey... what happened to _monkey? Aug 22 18:32:08 been gone at least half the day. I plan to go home and check Aug 22 18:51:46 I need a good Task list for my n800. Something like Trac would be PERFECT. But I need it to be local to the n800 for when I don't have net access. Any ideas? Aug 22 18:53:07 trevarth1n: like something blue tooth to connect? Aug 22 18:53:16 ITT is down I think Aug 22 18:55:46 erstazi: huh? bluetooth? Aug 22 18:55:53 I don't know Aug 22 18:55:57 lol Aug 22 18:56:01 just tired and blah, and I need to be on internettablettalk.com Aug 22 19:08:17 Hi Aug 22 19:08:33 How would I go about installing python-dev... and then pyusb? Aug 22 19:16:12 i am getting this error when i try to import pyusb Aug 22 19:16:14 ImportError: /usr/lib/libusb.so: undefined symbol: usb_resetep Aug 22 19:17:17 Can anyone help? Aug 22 19:24:12 BenSw: maybe luck^ ... Aug 22 19:28:52 BenSw, there instruction on how to install python2.5-dev at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org Aug 22 19:31:17 BenSw, are you trying to use this: http://pyusb.berlios.de/ Aug 22 19:31:39 yeah Aug 22 19:31:43 I never tried, but I think you need to port to maemo first Aug 22 19:42:17 is there a way to downgrade to python2.4.2?\ Aug 22 19:48:16 where do I add/remove internet radio streams? i can't find it, i feel like an idiot' Aug 22 19:49:46 hm, can add, but not delete Aug 22 19:51:50 nm Aug 22 20:14:17 BenSw, apt-get install package=version_number Aug 22 20:19:25 hello everyone Aug 22 20:19:48 may your chains rest lightly upon you Aug 22 20:20:26 pupnik, good news, can I pm you? Aug 22 20:20:59 yes you can always pm me Aug 22 20:25:52 hi. Aug 22 20:25:52 i'm having an issue installing rails on my n800. anyone got rails installed and can help me debug? Aug 22 20:26:23 rik, I would assist but I only have OS2006 (: Aug 22 20:42:56 Why woudl i have problems with sd card detection? Aug 22 20:43:12 would* Aug 22 20:43:13 I* Aug 22 20:49:05 wtf ? Aug 22 20:49:08 http://rafb.net/p/gNoMk020.html Aug 22 20:49:12 help me ! Aug 22 20:55:24 rafb.net/p/gNoMk020.html Aug 22 20:55:33 canola/ahavi Aug 22 20:55:57 not related to unzip Aug 22 20:58:41 timelE61i, how solution ? Aug 22 20:59:15 you'd need to read ahavi Aug 22 21:00:43 ahavi ? Aug 22 21:00:46 o_O Aug 22 21:06:56 you get a program working right - then you with there was a button to press for the maemo packaging Aug 22 21:17:47 timelE61i, view http://rafb.net/p/nXgddg71.html Aug 22 21:30:38 is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_createswap/ correct for OS 2007 version 4? Aug 22 21:33:03 oh. no. Aug 22 21:50:21 easy question for most of you i guess :/ ... is there irc software for nokia 770? Aug 22 21:51:52 itt forum is a bit sick tonight Aug 22 21:53:46 hmmm.... whats happend to _monkey... Aug 22 21:58:37 heh Aug 22 22:01:40 welcome back _Monkey Aug 22 22:03:16 is ITT down? Aug 22 22:03:23 seems to be Aug 22 22:03:24 Tu13es_: earlier it was Aug 22 22:03:35 that or it's a DoS attack - up and down Aug 22 22:03:39 gotcha Aug 22 22:03:41 it's average ping is 148ms Aug 22 22:03:45 I haven't been able to get there most of this afternoon Aug 22 22:03:51 could be a database issue Aug 22 22:03:58 milhouse: true on both Aug 22 22:04:08 yeah, I think I got a db error msg earlier Aug 22 22:04:10 now I get nothing Aug 22 22:04:11 why would someone want to DoS attack that site, unless its automated Aug 22 22:04:13 oh well, I won't die Aug 22 22:04:21 it just hangs Aug 22 22:04:30 Q1 owners? Aug 22 22:04:36 :) Aug 22 22:04:47 Jealous of our pocket wonder... Aug 22 22:04:52 heh Aug 22 22:05:53 The g/f really got sold on the tablet this weekend. Used it for all our e-mail/browsing from the bed and breakfast we were at, plus GPS duties. Aug 22 22:08:04 heh Aug 22 22:08:07 I bought a n770 on woot Aug 22 22:08:10 loved it Aug 22 22:08:16 gf was like "wow, that's awesome, I want it" Aug 22 22:08:17 buy.com here Aug 22 22:08:21 so now she has it and I bought a n800 Aug 22 22:08:27 Tu13es: that is how my wife was Aug 22 22:08:39 now she wants a n800 Aug 22 22:08:41 heh Aug 22 22:15:40 heh i just was using the 770 in the park again today Aug 22 22:15:51 and after 8 months of owning it Aug 22 22:15:53 i was like Aug 22 22:15:58 "This is AWESOME!" Aug 22 22:16:38 it's so slim! and SOLID! and linuxy! and bright! and hires! and pretty fast! Aug 22 22:17:20 * sully nods Aug 22 22:19:23 and how is it possible that the screen got dirty many times Aug 22 22:19:27 but i see no scratches? Aug 22 22:19:31 what is that substance? Aug 22 22:20:48 in this world full of ape-humans, we should be really thankful towards the smart people Aug 22 22:24:35 hmm, fullscreen button crashed my browser :) Aug 22 22:29:29 hrm, I think I ran out of space dumping core :( Aug 22 22:39:39 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/08/20/nokia-cto-dr-tero-ojanpera-preannounces-nokia-n95-8-gb.html <--- Tero Ojanperä talks about Nokia 770 at 22 minutes... doesn't say much very interesting other than Nokia are getting behind open source (and that "you can't develop open source inhouse" - genius). :) Aug 22 22:42:11 hmmm... that's actually quite an old podcast! Aug 22 22:42:24 not new at all... dates from oct 2006 Aug 22 22:43:10 although it must be... he mentions the new N95 8GB phone which has only just surfaced... looks like the RSS feed details are out of whack Aug 22 23:24:20 itt is back :) Aug 22 23:25:37 Woo Aug 22 23:59:53 hello Aug 22 23:59:53 <_Monkey> niihau, kikka Aug 23 00:30:19 Spricht hier wer Deutsch/Does here someone speak german? Aug 23 00:59:41 hello folks Aug 23 02:35:48 Anyone have that issue with Maemo Mapper 1.4.7 where you try to load the program but nothing ever happens? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 23 02:59:57 2007