**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 25 02:59:56 2007 Aug 25 03:22:23 what do the ssh v4 deb give that v3 does not have? Aug 25 03:24:30 wooohoo Aug 25 03:24:33 i blue ordered Aug 25 03:24:34 ! Aug 25 03:24:53 welcome to the world of pdagps Aug 25 03:51:23 Wow...administering the 770 over ssh is much better then using the virtual keyboard : Aug 25 03:51:27 :) Aug 25 03:52:27 water is wet too Aug 25 03:55:08 Indeed it is Aug 25 03:55:14 I still cant get canola installed : Aug 25 03:55:15 :( Aug 25 03:55:35 ekim|irc: any clues? Aug 25 03:55:38 What does this mean Aug 25 03:55:39 ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory Aug 25 03:55:43 ekim|irc: what have you tried? Aug 25 03:55:46 Well Aug 25 03:55:55 I did apt-get install canola right now over ssh Aug 25 03:56:05 ekim|irc: and what's the result? Aug 25 03:56:24 it installs a bunch of stuff and when it gets to canola-app ... it takses forever Aug 25 03:56:33 I always stop it aftr a few minutes Aug 25 03:56:40 I mean ... how long should it take ? Aug 25 03:57:07 ekim|irc: it should ask you where to install Aug 25 03:57:13 ekim|irc: it's a graphical dialog Aug 25 03:57:16 and other with the license Aug 25 03:57:20 also graphical Aug 25 03:57:40 wait... Aug 25 03:57:41 :( Aug 25 03:57:47 so your telling me by doing this over ssh Aug 25 03:57:53 that on my device a dialog popped up Aug 25 03:57:56 Ohh... Aug 25 03:57:58 I knew that Aug 25 03:58:14 hehe Aug 25 03:59:31 ehehehe Aug 25 03:59:46 WOOT Aug 25 03:59:47 it works Aug 25 03:59:49 YEAH!!! Aug 25 03:59:52 eeehhe Aug 25 04:00:00 and ssh ... it works Aug 25 04:00:01 YEAH Aug 25 04:00:03 ekim|irc: what were the problem? Aug 25 04:00:08 I dont know Aug 25 04:00:09 problems* Aug 25 04:00:10 Wait Aug 25 04:00:17 the problem was that the maemo repo was down Aug 25 04:00:21 repository.maemo.org Aug 25 04:00:22 <_Monkey> repository.maemo.org is, like, ok Aug 25 04:00:30 but now its up Aug 25 04:00:31 :) Aug 25 04:00:33 so WOOT Aug 25 04:00:43 is mediastreamre an official nokia app ? Aug 25 04:01:41 Now all I gotta do is boot from the mmc Aug 25 04:02:08 ekim|irc: yep, official Aug 25 04:02:32 do all of you guys boot from the card ? Aug 25 04:05:04 What are some of the apps you guys like ? Aug 25 04:05:57 Anyone ? Aug 25 04:22:15 Hmm Aug 25 04:22:17 Whats up with this Aug 25 04:22:37 GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D Aug 25 04:27:44 w00t Aug 25 04:27:49 I got pidgin working now too Aug 25 04:52:19 i begin to understand why 99% of #maemo is silent Aug 25 04:53:45 <`0660> they have nothing to contribute to the discussion? :) Aug 25 04:55:19 correct Aug 25 04:55:35 Having too much fun with thi ablets? Aug 25 04:55:57 uh, their tablets. Aug 25 04:56:10 the discussion is ... not about moving #maemo forward Aug 25 04:56:16 it's everything but Aug 25 04:56:18 damn onscreen keyboard. Aug 25 04:57:11 just lik on itt. some ppl are just so full of negativity. Aug 25 05:00:08 perhaps you don't understand why the nokia tablets are so important Aug 25 05:00:26 you see when you buy a microsoft operating system product as a consumer Aug 25 05:00:30 you are happy at first Aug 25 05:00:40 because microsoft seems to be sucking your cock Aug 25 05:00:53 but while you are distracted by the nice cock sucking that is going on Aug 25 05:01:03 microsoft is sticking a trojan up your ass Aug 25 05:01:08 which you don't notice at first Aug 25 05:01:24 btu then you are remote controlled - through your ass - by microsoft Aug 25 05:01:32 and then you have to pretend you like it Aug 25 05:01:36 to keep your pride Aug 25 05:01:41 this is the state of the world Aug 25 05:01:46 so thanks to nokia Aug 25 05:01:54 for freeing us from the ass-trojan Aug 25 05:03:48 i'm trying to imagine an avertising campaign based on "thanks nokia - for freeing us from the ass-trojan" Aug 25 05:04:21 i'm going to my countryide villa for the eekend taa. Aug 25 05:04:28 ta Aug 25 05:04:44 don't forget the microsoft ass trojan Aug 25 05:04:53 thats good campaign Aug 25 05:05:01 :) Aug 25 05:05:37 yes, tht's ard 2 4get Aug 25 08:27:29 good morning Aug 25 08:32:36 Hi. Aug 25 08:32:59 Ello. Aug 25 08:35:11 morning Aug 25 08:35:12 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 25 08:35:20 feck u monkey Aug 25 08:37:02 guten morgen Aug 25 08:39:02 how normal is Aug 25 08:39:03 /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found Aug 25 08:39:29 when calling apt-get install Aug 25 08:46:15 amr, perfectly normal Aug 25 08:48:33 hi, do you know a ftp client for n800 ? Aug 25 08:49:34 jolly good Aug 25 08:50:09 kulve: ping Aug 25 08:50:47 pello, you check the garage? Aug 25 08:51:58 maemoftp is not for n800 Aug 25 08:54:17 usually 770 software works on the 800 Aug 25 08:55:37 ok unique311 i'll try to it Aug 25 08:56:28 :-/ this is odd Aug 25 08:57:26 it works :) Aug 25 08:57:37 cool Aug 25 08:57:42 thx Aug 25 08:57:50 i was going to say he has the source also. Aug 25 08:57:55 available. Aug 25 08:58:05 i cant seem to connect to my tablet Aug 25 08:58:08 over ssh or vnc Aug 25 08:58:12 compiling it for the n800 would've been easy Aug 25 08:58:17 oh wait, now it works - this is odd Aug 25 09:19:36 distribution names confuse me Aug 25 09:19:59 when i go to about this product in control panel it says version 3.0 Aug 25 09:20:01 thats bora isnt it? Aug 25 09:20:05 3.0somethingsomething Aug 25 09:20:21 yea Aug 25 09:20:28 cool thanks Aug 25 09:26:43 is there anyway to get maemo mapper to follow a route and download all the maps on there Aug 25 09:27:04 or is there anyway i can just say, ok download all of this area Aug 25 09:28:22 i think so for the 1st Aug 25 09:28:28 i m sure it can do for the second Aug 25 09:28:38 just go in the map menu and choose download area or something Aug 25 09:28:39 how do i do it? Aug 25 09:28:47 and be sure ot have selected the zooms level you are interested in Aug 25 09:29:19 you will have to play a bit with the poi and location contextual menu to reach point 1 then. Aug 25 09:29:30 ah ok Aug 25 09:29:42 cheers, ill give it another go Aug 25 09:32:25 oh duh theres an option Aug 25 09:32:28 'download along route' Aug 25 09:32:31 with a radius of 4 tiles Aug 25 09:34:19 i havent tested this one. Aug 25 12:45:10 re Aug 25 13:23:21 hi all Aug 25 13:23:47 Where I can find perl-base, which needed for OPenSSH cliebt Aug 25 13:25:28 ? Aug 25 13:35:36 ZenGeist: what are you doing and how is it failing? Aug 25 13:37:07 sp3000, I am trying to install OpenSSH Client from Application Manager on my N800 Aug 25 13:37:19 but I can not Aug 25 13:37:26 because perl-base needed Aug 25 13:40:56 oh, it depends on it via adduser Aug 25 13:41:00 curious Aug 25 13:41:36 apt-cache policy perl-base tells me it's available in http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Aug 25 13:41:44 Where are the applications stored by default ? Aug 25 13:42:28 which is the seame repo as openssh-client Aug 25 13:42:31 so that should work Aug 25 13:42:51 Just do apt-get install ssh Aug 25 13:42:56 ZenGeist: maybe update the appmanager catalog foo and try again Aug 25 13:44:21 ekim|irc: that's an alternative, sure, but afaiui openssh-client isn't upposed to need redpill mode so it should be preferrable Aug 25 13:44:45 well, red pill or root Aug 25 13:47:29 Huh Aug 25 13:47:33 whats redpill mode ? Aug 25 13:47:34 <_Monkey> redpill mode is, like, at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode Aug 25 13:47:38 hypervisor ? Aug 25 13:47:41 or is that blue pill Aug 25 13:47:44 omg, it's the bot being /useful/ Aug 25 13:47:52 or does the blue pill cure the red pill Aug 25 13:47:55 that's uncharacteristic :P Aug 25 13:47:56 Sounds like the matrix Aug 25 13:48:10 yes, blue is the other choice in the dialog ;) Aug 25 13:48:39 But why would I wanna do that Aug 25 13:48:56 it lets you break things directly from the app manager Aug 25 13:49:01 break things ? Aug 25 13:49:20 like, use apt dangerously ;) Aug 25 13:50:32 ZenGeist: did a refresh and retry help? Aug 25 13:51:07 so... Aug 25 13:51:12 I am in redpill Aug 25 13:51:36 ZenGeist: and, do you have repository.m.o bora free in your catalogs Aug 25 13:52:18 presumably the mistral one could be different somehow Aug 25 13:52:33 sp3000, no I have not Aug 25 13:53:42 using the install arrow from http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh-client should work out then I expect Aug 25 13:54:14 (it's slightly less typing than manual catalogue config) Aug 25 13:54:48 sp3000, I ve trying that Aug 25 13:54:48 * sp3000 tests Aug 25 13:57:47 do you have some other repository.maemo.org bora entry in the catalogs, that doesn't include free? Aug 25 13:58:57 istr vaguely some issue with repository configs ending up with the same repo being listed more than once, with different components, and it not quite panning out, or something Aug 25 13:59:08 i ve no free I ve Maemo Extras and Maemo Hackers Aug 25 14:01:26 what the Aug 25 14:01:51 oh, extras is one that the openssh-client.install sets up Aug 25 14:02:48 yes Aug 25 14:02:59 * sp3000 wonders if apt-cache policy is just being annoying and omitting that Aug 25 14:03:17 ^) Aug 25 14:03:18 :) Aug 25 14:03:43 What repo should I add? Aug 25 14:04:38 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free Aug 25 14:04:38 ? Aug 25 14:05:00 oh, yeah, apt-cache policy is being annoying Aug 25 14:06:23 ZenGeist: yeah, that's where perl-base is Aug 25 14:06:53 and apt-cache policy output doesn't make any difference between http://repository.maemo.org/ and http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ Aug 25 14:06:56 * sp3000 grumples Aug 25 14:07:02 sp3000, add it by vi or add it by Application Man. ? Aug 25 14:07:03 * sp3000 grumbles, even Aug 25 14:07:21 app man would work Aug 25 14:07:53 or finding an .install file for something that lives in that repo ;) Aug 25 14:10:00 yes Aug 25 14:10:15 it works :) Aug 25 14:10:53 should complain about openssh-client.install not specifying the other repository it depends on Aug 25 14:11:14 * sp3000 isn't sure if the current .install spec handles that Aug 25 14:11:30 http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/install.html seems to deal with it at least Aug 25 14:11:45 yeah! :) I am in my notebook over SSH :) Aug 25 14:12:00 is where pptp for maemo> Aug 25 14:12:01 > Aug 25 14:12:03 , Aug 25 14:12:04 ? Aug 25 14:30:59 can I install some apps on memory card? Aug 25 14:38:48 Only if you boot from the card itself, I think Aug 25 14:43:02 re Aug 25 15:15:42 hi there Aug 25 15:15:43 <_Monkey> hola, zwnj Aug 25 15:15:45 is Juha Kallioinen here? Aug 25 15:18:07 ping kaltsi Aug 25 15:22:56 is there any way to access the mqain system memory (where the programs go) without modification ? Aug 25 15:28:07 ekim|irc, what ? Aug 25 15:32:15 yeah it's a read Aug 25 15:32:21 like you read memory but don't write it Aug 25 15:32:53 or re-membering Aug 25 15:36:39 does mail get stored on the flash Aug 25 15:36:39 or mmc Aug 25 15:50:46 if i wanted to implement a better pointer calibration system than pointercal, how deep would i have to go? where would i start? Aug 25 15:51:50 * pupnik_ passes sparr a joint Aug 25 15:52:58 * Jaffa yawns Aug 25 15:56:55 how can I access where the programs are installed by default without modification Aug 25 15:59:46 ekim|irc, i do not understand your question, you may see where a package file are installed with 'dpkg -L nameofthepackage' Aug 25 16:03:48 Ohh Aug 25 16:03:51 Thanks Aug 25 16:06:36 How can I get a list of installed packages Aug 25 16:07:02 dpkg -l Aug 25 16:10:06 ekim|irc: If you only care about "end-user" packages, you can use the Application Manager Aug 25 16:12:05 I dont... Aug 25 16:12:14 because im 1337 like that Aug 25 16:14:44 morning folks Aug 25 16:14:49 morning Aug 25 16:14:50 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 25 16:15:02 arg. wrong name. Aug 25 16:15:29 there we go Aug 25 16:16:47 sparr: how's it goin? you do any more work on the volume control? Aug 25 16:17:10 * trevarthan walks off to make some coffee Aug 25 16:17:30 got sidetracked by another tablet Aug 25 16:19:44 ah. got any code for others to play with yet? Aug 25 16:22:02 I've been working on getting the scrollwidget to work with lots and lots of items in it. It's going pretty well so far. Aug 25 16:22:02 no, just a pygame interface to draw a rotate wheel, mostly borrowed from elsewhere, nothing original Aug 25 16:22:25 Ah. going the wheel approach, eh? very cool. Aug 25 16:22:39 the best way for volume, imho Aug 25 16:22:44 higher resolution than a slider Aug 25 16:22:51 and seeking, too, probably. Aug 25 16:23:03 Jaffa: blasphemy! Aug 25 16:23:08 Just use intertial scrolling for navigating lists of items Aug 25 16:23:20 sparr: intra-song seeking, rather than inter-song seeking obviously ;-) Aug 25 16:23:24 seriously though, id prefer a slider or wheel for seeking. but SOME peopel think inertial scrolling is gods gift to users :) Aug 25 16:23:40 Personally, I would implement the wheel widget alongside the scroll widget. Aug 25 16:24:03 sparr: No man, I don't. I just have limited time and the widget was there Aug 25 16:24:34 off topic: http://sparr.homeip.net/tablettest.png Aug 25 16:24:48 anyway, we'll have a menu in Kagu soon. I figure we can allow users to switch on/off the wheel widget for just about everything from there. Aug 25 16:24:52 tablet calibration test on my tablet pc Aug 25 16:24:54 ahhh my eyes Aug 25 16:24:57 :P Aug 25 16:25:07 sparr: calibration of what? Aug 25 16:25:11 used a straight edge with the stylus Aug 25 16:25:21 ah, cool Aug 25 16:25:22 to see how accurate the touch->pixel mapping is Aug 25 16:25:33 Painted in what? Noticing the translucency Aug 25 16:25:37 gimp Aug 25 16:25:41 or krita Aug 25 16:25:42 i forget which Aug 25 16:26:19 that is just a multiply filter on the layer/brush Aug 25 16:26:30 did you use X11 forwarding to run that on the tablet? Aug 25 16:26:42 that isnt the 770 Aug 25 16:26:45 its my full-size tablet pc Aug 25 16:26:55 ah. what model? Aug 25 16:27:00 motion m1400 Aug 25 16:27:39 wow. looks huge. is it a pain to carry around? Aug 25 16:28:11 its 9.5x12x.825", not too huge Aug 25 16:29:03 235x290x21mm Aug 25 16:29:13 I want some MediaTron paper from The Diamond Age. Aug 25 16:29:38 i carry it like a laptop, except its easier to use in midair because i can hold it like a notebook and use the stylus with the other hand Aug 25 16:29:45 when im sitting it goes in my lap Aug 25 16:30:36 yeah, looks more versatile than a laptop Aug 25 16:30:48 only pain is typing, of course Aug 25 16:30:49 not a whole lot smaller though Aug 25 16:31:03 handwriting recognition in linux isnt so nice, onscreen keyboard is the only real option Aug 25 16:31:18 oddly, i cant find anything for the desktop with recognition as good as hildon, i might steal that :) Aug 25 16:31:28 The Diamond Age is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age Aug 25 16:32:12 hmmm... isn't the handwriting recognition in maemo proprietary? Aug 25 16:32:39 if not, someone should really package it seperately. Aug 25 16:33:20 well, thats a good question... its a compiled hildon plugin Aug 25 16:33:28 theres no reason it wouldnt run on another ARM linux system Aug 25 16:33:34 no ARM on my desktop, unfortunately Aug 25 16:35:09 well, I'm off to work on the scroll widget and get that much closer to making sparr happy by finding time to write a new slider widget. Aug 25 16:35:30 I'm so giving. :P Aug 25 16:41:55 ...and on Tuesday I get my BT headphones :-) Aug 25 16:44:54 sweet Aug 25 16:44:57 what model? Aug 25 16:53:49 How do I install a deb file Aug 25 16:53:55 gpodder doesnt provide a .install file Aug 25 16:54:54 trevarthan: I've forgotten! Sony ones. Aug 25 16:55:40 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000KFE29A/202-7905055-7590264 Aug 25 16:56:30 ekim|irc: You should be able to download it, then open app manager manually, click the menu hardware button, and install from a file. Aug 25 16:56:53 ekim|irc: or, you can get root and SSH and do `dpkg -i ...` Aug 25 16:57:49 Thanks Aug 25 16:57:53 Jaffa: those look cool. Probably a good bit more comfy than my s9 phones too. Aug 25 16:57:54 I am already root+ssh Aug 25 16:58:00 also... Aug 25 16:58:22 whats up with this Aug 25 16:58:22 W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D Aug 25 16:58:51 ekim|irc: looks like the package builder didn't have a GPG key. no big deal usually. Aug 25 16:59:08 it keeps him from making a single click install though. Aug 25 17:00:18 indeed Aug 25 17:00:22 It screws me up Aug 25 17:00:26 How do I fix it... Aug 25 17:00:28 or can I Aug 25 17:00:45 are you making the package? Aug 25 17:01:02 or just installing it? Aug 25 17:01:06 installing Aug 25 17:01:10 Not much of a coder :0 Aug 25 17:01:22 don't worry about it then. it shouldn't keep you from installing with `dpkg -i` Aug 25 17:01:23 I hate c++ Aug 25 17:01:38 me too. :) I like python. no memory management to deal with. Aug 25 17:01:42 Yeah...but its more convenient to use the gui installer Aug 25 17:01:44 I love python :) Aug 25 17:02:13 ekim|irc: right, so try installing from a file like I suggested. You can still use the app manager that way, it's just more than one click. Aug 25 17:04:15 It's App Manager -> Menu Hardware Button -> Applications -> Install from file... on my n800. Aug 25 17:28:59 Can someone walk me trhough booting from the mmc card Aug 25 17:32:51 mmc? Aug 25 17:32:51 <_Monkey> somebody said mmc was smaller than sd Aug 25 17:32:56 multiboot? Aug 25 17:32:56 <_Monkey> multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card Aug 25 17:33:09 hmm there's another guide somewhere Aug 25 17:33:38 * sp3000 disagrees with the shouting in those titles Aug 25 17:38:51 Ahh Aug 25 17:38:55 This guide is really confusing Aug 25 17:39:00 is there a video on how to do it Aug 25 18:00:15 re Aug 25 18:19:45 I just had the urge to shout "There's a video on how to do your mom!". Seriously. There's something wrong with my brain. Aug 25 18:20:39 I'm this guy: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070819.html Aug 25 18:48:32 dude's mom is jenna jameson? Aug 25 18:48:39 cause that would make sense. Aug 25 18:49:30 trevarthan, nice dilbert link Aug 25 18:54:37 thank you, thank you Aug 25 18:54:52 Damn it. I want to get iodined working on my Blackdog. Aug 25 18:59:11 hi, any thoughts about http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/08/25/impressed-by-3rd-party-iphone-apps/ ? Aug 25 19:02:21 qgil: reading Aug 25 19:02:44 qgil: does orphans on the wiki still need massaging? Aug 25 19:03:24 we need to de-orphan all pages, yes - I have just opened the 10 on the top of the list and will deal with them now Aug 25 19:03:52 qgil: I will attack the orphans now, all I am doing is just relaxing so I can help out more Aug 25 19:04:29 erstazi: great, thanks, you can start by the queue or HowToNFS 06 Aug 25 19:04:38 ok Aug 25 19:10:09 qgil: iphone still isn't open source. I like to use open source stuff. I bought an ipod, and I've replaced it with my n800 to first chance I got (i.e. Kagu). Aug 25 19:10:45 I don't think I'm the norm. But that's probably how my brain will always work. I'll take open source over closed source (even when closed source is higher quality) any day. Aug 25 19:11:08 Well I agree somewhat, trevarthan Aug 25 19:11:27 I have found many *great* open source applications and platforms Aug 25 19:12:42 trevarthan: it would be good to satisfy developers with your open source preferences... as well as all the rest - be just a great platform based on open source components Aug 25 19:13:37 but my point is, sometimes proprietary is not bad. but do realize, I am releasing a web application as AGPLv3 when its released Aug 25 19:14:09 erstazi: what I'm doing is open wiki main page or WikiReorg every time I have to add a link to a page and then save immediately to avoid collision with you (or whoever wants to help) ;) Aug 25 19:14:54 qgil: that works... I noticed the URI has changed Aug 25 19:15:03 erstazi: what about Gustavo's point about a platform (like iphone's) without the typical elements of a platform i.e. sdk, crosscompilation, documentation, etc Aug 25 19:15:16 well, the iphone has some of this but not with an usual approach Aug 25 19:15:34 erstazi: what URI? Aug 25 19:15:47 qgil: and I agree, the iphone will only leave a possible developer having to hack the iphone to add an app Aug 25 19:15:54 qgil: the orphans Aug 25 19:16:21 trevarthan, rockbox? Aug 25 19:17:08 qgil: I posted an insightful response (IMHO), but it's not showing up Aug 25 19:17:56 qgil: should I be working from http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki? Aug 25 19:18:07 or continue working from just the wiki? Aug 25 19:18:31 erstazi: the current wiki, we are not touching anymore test.maemo.org Aug 25 19:18:45 qgil: ok, just verifying (I know to know know for sure (: ) Aug 25 19:18:49 Jaffa: looking forward to it :) Aug 25 19:19:32 qgil: basically it boiled down to three factors as I see it: 1) Apple have, since the iMac and OS X, been viewed (rightly on the whole) as people spending a lot of time and attention to detail on well-designed, must-have, technochic devices. These became consumer devices with the iPod and put Apple on the map. As a result of this, there are more Apple fans and a more integrated marketing strategy (including news coverage). Because of this, I'd wager on at le Aug 25 19:19:44 more iPhones having been sold already than any Maemo device. Aug 25 19:19:54 qgil: I noticed a mediawiki type of linking Aug 25 19:20:12 qgil: which caused *a lot* of orphaned links, not purposely... so I corrected them... Aug 25 19:20:17 2) The "because it's designed to be unhackable" factor that Gustavo touches on. Aug 25 19:20:48 qgil: but the linkage would be like: you are on article "foo" and you want to go to foo/bar so you do this [/bar] *but* Aug 25 19:21:04 erstazi: i see Aug 25 19:21:28 qgil: if midgard CMS doesn't work that way, you have to do a separate article and thats how *all* of the articles are created... so I just removed the / out and removed a lot of orphans Aug 25 19:21:36 3) These two alone aren't enough to get the *polished* apps: the reason they're there is because the built-in ones set the bar so high; everything's well integrated and thought out (I bet every single control and the position of it had a whole lot of meetings to decide on it). No IT OS release *seems* to have had that level of end-to-end UxD. Aug 25 19:21:42 qgil: I will add that to the wiki how to edit article sometime Aug 25 19:22:37 * Jaffa goes to watch a movie. BBL. Aug 25 19:22:45 Jaffa: indeed insightful Aug 25 19:22:59 Jaffa: I agree with the three points Aug 25 19:23:16 Gustavo's post is very cool and insightful itself, though. Very good read :-) Aug 25 19:23:26 Jaffa: I also think we will get a lot more apps when Nokia puts the tablets higher in the marketing channels Aug 25 19:23:29 OMG Aug 25 19:23:34 please help Aug 25 19:23:46 I think we must not forget that devices have purposes. everybody like the n800 when I show them . they love the screen/ thumb input method and I can really show them cool / usefull apps. but that's it, they lose atention when they hear there is not grps or gps Aug 25 19:23:48 I was following this guide Aug 25 19:23:48 http://examplified.net/guide/Nokia_770/Booting_from_MMC/ Aug 25 19:23:55 and I got the thr first part of step 12 Aug 25 19:23:55 not = no Aug 25 19:24:00 Jaffa: yeah, I wish many people "fave" it at http://maemo.org/news so it stays on the top several days :) Aug 25 19:24:05 I did apt-get isntal ltar Aug 25 19:24:17 then it said it was gonna remove a bunch of stuff Aug 25 19:24:18 so I said ok Aug 25 19:24:22 then it rebooted Aug 25 19:24:28 and now its stuck in an infinite reboot loop Aug 25 19:24:34 it geets half way and reboots Aug 25 19:24:40 HELP! Aug 25 19:24:46 PLEASE HELP ME Aug 25 19:25:01 What do I do Aug 25 19:25:02 :( Aug 25 19:25:06 remove the battery? Aug 25 19:25:23 then think slowly ! Aug 25 19:25:23 That wont help me get it booted Aug 25 19:25:30 do I need to reflash it Aug 25 19:25:33 What whent wrong ? Aug 25 19:26:13 Please tell me Aug 25 19:26:18 I guess you did not use a prefix to install tar ? in the the apt-get install tar and not busybox is gone? Aug 25 19:26:32 Huh Aug 25 19:26:32 keesj_: is gps so high in people's expectations? Aug 25 19:26:38 that english made no sense Aug 25 19:26:42 Instead of installing tar from apt-get, you can download it Aug 25 19:26:55 yeah but how do I fix it NOW Aug 25 19:26:59 qgil: many people prefer GPS Aug 25 19:27:08 tell me please Aug 25 19:27:11 Well, first try taking out the MMC card with it turned off Aug 25 19:27:14 I just got this device yesterday Aug 25 19:27:14 ekim|irc: I'm afraid it's trough flashing the rootfs Aug 25 19:27:23 Its what ? Aug 25 19:27:33 holy bad English all over. Aug 25 19:27:38 Try booting it with the MMC card taken out first, ekim|irc Aug 25 19:27:42 I did Aug 25 19:27:47 it says "Booting from flash" Aug 25 19:27:47 ekim|irc: ok, you just got the nokia yesterday, lets step back Aug 25 19:27:58 it gets half way and reboots Aug 25 19:28:08 okay, then you will need to reflash it completely Aug 25 19:28:21 ekim|irc: remove the battery, and then insert the battery again Aug 25 19:28:26 Ok Aug 25 19:28:27 done Aug 25 19:28:28 and power up Aug 25 19:28:52 if it does it again, its time to flash it with OS2006 or OS2007 depending on the device Aug 25 19:28:55 should it work this time ? Aug 25 19:29:04 ekim|irc: in reality, nothing ever works heh Aug 25 19:29:15 Flash it with 2006 Aug 25 19:29:20 Nop Aug 25 19:29:21 What MMC card did you buy? Aug 25 19:29:25 eInfinite reboot cycle Aug 25 19:29:28 kingston 1 gb Aug 25 19:29:29 ekim|irc: do you have a 770 or n800? Aug 25 19:29:32 770 Aug 25 19:29:39 I gotta flash it huh Aug 25 19:29:41 ok, you can definitely use the kernel speed hack Aug 25 19:29:43 yeah Aug 25 19:29:54 ekim|irc: do you have Linux or Windows or Mac? Aug 25 19:29:55 No big deal I guess... Aug 25 19:29:55 qgil: not by default. but it would give an idea of what to do with the device. for me it's not clear what I should to with the device(multi-media seams the most probable right?). Aug 25 19:30:03 Its just a pain to do all those steps over again Aug 25 19:30:14 can you cpmpletely brick a 770 ? Aug 25 19:30:15 It's pretty fast the second time around, ekim|irc Aug 25 19:30:23 ekim|irc: I would hold off from dual booting at this moment Aug 25 19:30:29 why is that Aug 25 19:30:39 ekim|irc: do you understand/know linux? Aug 25 19:30:43 Yeah Aug 25 19:30:46 s/linux/*nix/ Aug 25 19:30:46 erstazi meant: ekim|irc: do you understand/know *nix? Aug 25 19:30:47 When you need GNU tar next time, get this file (already compiled): http://degenerates.org/maemo/tar Aug 25 19:31:00 yeah, get the GNU tar, that might help Aug 25 19:31:03 Ohh Aug 25 19:31:09 is that a binary Aug 25 19:31:11 yes Aug 25 19:31:12 I can just run it Aug 25 19:31:12 ekim|irc: do you have linux at your disposal? Aug 25 19:31:16 no Aug 25 19:31:19 you can just run it Aug 25 19:31:19 not at the moment Aug 25 19:31:23 ekim|irc: windows? mac? Aug 25 19:31:26 windoze Aug 25 19:31:36 ekim|irc: ok you can go to the nokia website and download the flasher Aug 25 19:31:41 keesj_: yeah, know what you mean Aug 25 19:31:46 I alrweady downloaded it Aug 25 19:31:47 yesterday Aug 25 19:32:05 Go ahead and flash the device, you'll be back and up in no time Aug 25 19:32:06 ok Aug 25 19:32:08 Good afternoon. Aug 25 19:32:14 ekim|irc: its actually pretty quick to flash Aug 25 19:32:20 less than 10 or 20 minutes Aug 25 19:32:33 just grab a cup of coffee or beer or some Jack Daniels... or all 3 (: Aug 25 19:32:39 idem one could say that it lacks software fo the the "real busyness" people. Aug 25 19:32:48 I've got a 770 with a reboot loop myself, but it's in the MMC install Aug 25 19:33:00 is there any way to get a boot log to look at? Aug 25 19:33:00 keesj_: it depends on what kind of software you are talking about for business people, please name some Aug 25 19:33:08 so all you gotta do is remove the card and everything works Aug 25 19:33:12 yup Aug 25 19:33:21 ekim|irc: did that happen to you? Aug 25 19:33:28 ekim|irc: can you remove the card and it works? Aug 25 19:33:35 no Aug 25 19:33:38 ok Aug 25 19:33:40 I can even boot the internal flash and mount the MMC install on /opt Aug 25 19:33:40 flash it Aug 25 19:33:41 <_Monkey> Firmware and associated utilities are available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com Aug 25 19:33:43 and get my files Aug 25 19:33:45 I never got the the part wheere I copy stuff to the card Aug 25 19:34:05 But I'd rather figure out what is wrong so I can not do it in the future Aug 25 19:34:09 I really wish I could do this entire thing over ssh Aug 25 19:34:20 the home key is the key wit hthe picture of the little house right Aug 25 19:34:23 * r2d2rogers nods Aug 25 19:34:34 r2d2rogers: there are a few that are experienced in that, pupnik around? Aug 25 19:34:36 yeah a bluetooth keyboard would help there too Aug 25 19:34:42 pupnik dual-boots Aug 25 19:34:43 I do the entire thing over SSH actually Aug 25 19:34:48 he wasn't able to point out much ther other day Aug 25 19:34:51 i just followed the howto Aug 25 19:34:53 I prefer ssh Aug 25 19:34:58 I like ssh Aug 25 19:35:03 what do you use ... dropbear or openssh Aug 25 19:35:08 I use dropbear because its so simple Aug 25 19:35:09 hey pupnik,how ya doing? Aug 25 19:35:10 dropbear Aug 25 19:35:10 <_Monkey> rumour has it dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html Aug 25 19:35:10 pupnik: we have two that are having infinite loop problems Aug 25 19:35:15 erstazi: guess I need to say something like "exchange-push" emails support outlook sync. really the kind of stuff I really dislike Aug 25 19:35:17 ekim|irc: openssh is my favorite Aug 25 19:35:20 :( Aug 25 19:35:29 I killed the watch dog and got rid of the infinite boot, Aug 25 19:35:43 keesj_: from my side, claws does that Aug 25 19:35:45 but then it never changes from the boot screen with the full blue bar at the bottom Aug 25 19:35:51 ok Aug 25 19:35:54 so lets go down the list Aug 25 19:35:59 Aug 25 19:36:01 Whats steps I have to repeat Aug 25 19:36:11 i think the only package I really need to reinstall is xterm right ? Aug 25 19:36:25 then I need to add repository.maemo.org to the sources list Aug 25 19:36:29 r2d2rogers: can you access /boot? Aug 25 19:36:32 next time I will use this tar Aug 25 19:36:33 http://degenerates.org/maemo/tar Aug 25 19:36:34 yup Aug 25 19:36:38 one sec Aug 25 19:36:43 booting the 770 to flash Aug 25 19:36:44 but Aug 25 19:36:45 _Monkey: tell ekim|irc about xterm Aug 25 19:36:53 waht about it ? Aug 25 19:36:59 ekim|irc: thats the best one to grab Aug 25 19:37:03 and try openssh Aug 25 19:37:08 there is more then one xterm Aug 25 19:37:10 _Monkey: tell ekim|irc about openssh Aug 25 19:37:27 ekim|irc: yes, the one I suggested is much more functional Aug 25 19:38:18 I would follow the how-to through ssh definitely Aug 25 19:38:29 Hmm I wonder if I could set the MMC install to connect to my wireless automatically? Aug 25 19:38:32 it's saved in there Aug 25 19:38:34 ok Aug 25 19:38:40 for internal flash booted Aug 25 19:38:46 let me mount the MMC install Aug 25 19:38:57 r2d2rogers, what MMC card do you have? Aug 25 19:39:00 I had a mmc become corrupt yesterday Aug 25 19:39:05 kingston2gig Aug 25 19:39:06 I had to format it again Aug 25 19:39:08 nice Aug 25 19:39:17 r2d2rogers: you have a 770 as well? Aug 25 19:39:34 erstazi, yessir Aug 25 19:39:35 great deal they have those as! I am glad I picked mine up at $130 and free shipping Aug 25 19:39:41 I wish Aug 25 19:39:50 but I can say my work paid for it for me Aug 25 19:40:02 r2d2rogers: same here actually (: Aug 25 19:40:12 my boss just bought the N800 Aug 25 19:40:20 one of the companies I am contracted to "paid" for it Aug 25 19:40:24 so I'll be playing with Flash 9 on the 770 at some point Aug 25 19:40:26 an added bonus Aug 25 19:40:28 Nice Aug 25 19:40:42 has anyone gotten any other window manager to work on this beside windowmaker Aug 25 19:40:46 r2d2rogers: I would like to see a working gnash for OS2006, I know there is one but I haven't had the time to mess with it Aug 25 19:40:53 is there a way to access the serial port behind the N800 Aug 25 19:41:18 It would be really cool to see fluxbox on this Aug 25 19:41:23 Guys, I'm trying to install iodine from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/iodine - PowerPC version. I type "apt-get install iodine" and get back "Package iodine has no installation candidate." Aug 25 19:41:26 Hmm Aug 25 19:41:32 why did they say it takes 2- minutes to update ? Aug 25 19:41:34 20 Aug 25 19:41:37 It took me 3 Aug 25 19:42:01 if you want something really cool -> http://www.rasterman.com/ Aug 25 19:42:07 so you'd be plesantly surprised ? Aug 25 19:42:10 Uhh... Aug 25 19:42:18 The 770 has an arm processor Aug 25 19:42:23 doesn't the 800 too ? Aug 25 19:42:24 hmm my ssh to the 770 isn't workinf.. Aug 25 19:42:47 bluehash: you'll need to build a cable for it (the wiring is explained in some web page IIRC), but after that it should be like any other serial console Aug 25 19:43:16 can I communicate with it Aug 25 19:43:17 heads up: bugs.maemo.org reorg is starting *now* it will take me about 8 hours (estimate) Aug 25 19:43:20 as i'm also going to a party :) Aug 25 19:43:36 hash mismatch Aug 25 19:43:36 key_verify failed for server_host_key Aug 25 19:43:40 Thats really weird Aug 25 19:43:44 timely: hey man Aug 25 19:43:49 When I clicked select connection my 770 rebooted Aug 25 19:43:51 whats up with that ? Aug 25 19:43:53 for OpenSSH how do you recreate the RSA stuff? Aug 25 19:44:01 zuh : can I communicate with the port Aug 25 19:44:02 BRB Aug 25 19:44:15 erstazi: cleeaned my 10 orphan pages of the day, there are just 51 missing Aug 25 19:44:34 erstazi: ... alright, I'll go for 10 more and then I 'll go for the stuff I should be really doing :) Aug 25 19:44:52 qgil: don'tworry I will do your 10 plus 10 more Aug 25 19:45:09 qgil: I had to stop for a second, kids causing my wife an headache Aug 25 19:45:10 no, I'll do my extra 10 :) Aug 25 19:45:35 erstazi: my kids gave us a headache the whole day but now seem to be deeply sleeping Aug 25 19:46:25 BTK Aug 25 19:47:22 If someone wants to de-orphan http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ please start at Known Issues since I'm pickeng the previous in the list Aug 25 19:47:22 reinstalling SSH Aug 25 19:47:23 qgil: I wish I was in your time zone ugh Aug 25 19:47:39 I am starting at the bottom of the list Aug 25 19:47:43 and working my way on up Aug 25 19:48:38 hi qgil Aug 25 19:48:49 bluehash: I guess it should act like a normal serial port once you get it connected... Aug 25 19:49:47 qgil: is there still a PagesToDelete? Aug 25 19:50:02 Where do I get gainroot from again ? Aug 25 19:50:03 I forget Aug 25 19:50:13 qgil: nevermind found it Aug 25 19:50:24 _Monkey: tell ekim|irc about becomeroot Aug 25 19:50:42 ekim|irc: becomeroot does sudo gainroot Aug 25 19:50:47 Zuh : how come it doesnt show up in /dev/ttyS0 Aug 25 19:52:10 bluehash: "show up"? Aug 25 19:53:17 zuh : if there is a serial port on the N800, shouldnt there be a /dev/ttyS0 to access it Aug 25 19:54:03 I have one, but that doesn't really prove it (since the nodes could be hand-created too, without any hw behind it...) Aug 25 19:54:16 This is the developer rootfs though Aug 25 19:56:10 qgil: do you know the people at midgard by chance? Aug 25 19:56:15 zuh : do you recoomend Bluetooth serial?/Has anyone tried it yet Aug 25 19:56:28 erstazi: oh yes Aug 25 19:56:45 hrm, flash or flash 7 / flash 9 ? Aug 25 19:56:45 qgil: how is Nokia involved with them? by contract? Aug 25 19:56:52 erstazi: yes Aug 25 19:56:55 ah Aug 25 19:57:04 their CMS is not accessible Aug 25 19:57:10 with Nemein in Espoo - Henri Bergius & co Aug 25 19:57:33 I am a web developer that follows the WAI guidelines very strictly Aug 25 19:58:06 I will have to contact them about the issues I find. Aug 25 19:58:56 erstazi: you have seen Henri Bergius in the maemo lists Aug 25 19:59:22 ah, his company did this? Aug 25 19:59:27 erstazi: is a problem this floating bar? Aug 25 19:59:54 erstazi: well, I don't know if they are the original authors but they are heavily involved since ages and they know it all Aug 25 20:00:21 qgil: partially, also an other non-accessible issue: the URL's are not just /community/wiki/articlename/ but http://maemo.org/community/wiki/articlename/ Aug 25 20:00:22 <_Monkey> Hmm. No matches for that, erstazi. Aug 25 20:00:57 qgil: overall, it seems they have a lot of code to do a simple thing... thats another caveat Aug 25 20:01:20 gzip compression could be used on css, js, (x)html, etc etc Aug 25 20:01:37 or deflate because you guys are using apache 2.x Aug 25 20:02:23 erstazi: I can only say that the decision of using Midgard was taken before I joined Nokia - and of course I accepted it Aug 25 20:02:45 qgil: yeah, thats ok, midgard is not bad Aug 25 20:02:50 it just needs tweaking Aug 25 20:03:17 erstazi: coincidentally, I had to choose months before several CMSs for www.gnome.org - Midgard was in the final and for several reasons we decided to go for Plone Aug 25 20:03:18 we can bypass the idea that less code is needed and just compress things and have the server side strip newlines and tabs/spaces out Aug 25 20:03:40 yes, Midgard has some virtues (having core developers 20 minutes from your office is to me one of the strongest) Aug 25 20:03:41 I don't think midgard itself is lacking Aug 25 20:03:53 just it could use some tweaking Aug 25 20:04:08 erstazi: any suggestions are welcome Aug 25 20:04:16 also about the site itself Aug 25 20:04:25 qgil: one thing Aug 25 20:04:28 qgil: nothing I do is "revolutionary" but all my ideas for my company is being released as AGPL when the license becomes to public Aug 25 20:04:36 the nokia naming of versions *sucks* from a sorting perspective Aug 25 20:04:43 0.2005, 0.2006, 1.2005, 1.2006 Aug 25 20:04:48 got a suggested alternate? Aug 25 20:05:02 (versions don't have sort keys) Aug 25 20:05:03 timely: use the maemo correspondents Aug 25 20:05:08 the names? Aug 25 20:05:12 i don't even know them! Aug 25 20:05:13 no, versions Aug 25 20:05:20 like OS2006 is Maemo 2.2 Aug 25 20:05:23 oh, 1.1 and friends? Aug 25 20:05:30 oh ok, that's very doable Aug 25 20:05:37 or OS2006 is Maemo 3.x Aug 25 20:05:39 oops Aug 25 20:05:46 * timely just makes {1,2,3,4}.{0,1,2,3} Aug 25 20:05:50 timely: but wait, doable but... will users know that? Aug 25 20:05:58 s/OS2006 is Maemo 3/OS2007 is Maemo 3/ Aug 25 20:06:00 no :) Aug 25 20:06:01 qgil: good point Aug 25 20:06:14 qgil: we can make guided help there Aug 25 20:06:29 and probably if we want to hack search's ui we could do that too Aug 25 20:06:40 timely: are you programming something? Aug 25 20:06:41 the problem is that if i do 2005-1 will people understand that's 1.2005? Aug 25 20:06:48 erstazi: i'm reprogramming the bugzilla db Aug 25 20:06:51 ah Aug 25 20:06:51 timely: let me think Aug 25 20:06:53 generally this is not programming Aug 25 20:06:59 qgil: ok Aug 25 20:07:04 timely: if its SQL, its programming (: Aug 25 20:07:08 it isn't Aug 25 20:07:10 i'm using a ui Aug 25 20:07:11 ok Aug 25 20:07:13 ah Aug 25 20:07:21 actually, i'm going to a party while qgil thinks Aug 25 20:07:32 have fun timely Aug 25 20:07:51 but i'm taking an n800 w/ admin credentials and timelE61i will look in from there Aug 25 20:07:53 I think doing this would work perfectly: OS2006/Maemo 2.2 Aug 25 20:07:54 timely: before IT OS in practice we have IT OS 2006 and Hacker editions (there is people that has filed bugs about it there) - should we really consider IT OS 2006 variants and IT OS 2005? Aug 25 20:08:44 well, it hardly matters Aug 25 20:08:52 someday there will be something != 2007 Aug 25 20:09:07 you need a solution that works for when nokia makes my life painful Aug 25 20:09:14 now think while i walk :) Aug 25 20:09:27 qgil: can you send a comment up for me? Aug 25 20:09:35 qgil: this is what I want inplace of a t-shirt Aug 25 20:09:41 how can i change where maemo mapper saves the maps Aug 25 20:09:56 nm Aug 25 20:10:00 amr: you found it? Aug 25 20:10:05 look in the menu ? Aug 25 20:10:08 yeah under manage repositories Aug 25 20:10:11 cool Aug 25 20:10:18 thanks r2d2 Aug 25 20:10:19 timely: IT OS 2006, IT OS 2006 HE, IT OS 2007 - that's it - you always ask people to upgrade to lst stable when submitting a bug Aug 25 20:10:21 im so glad you are here Aug 25 20:10:30 the for the maemo specific components we will use the maemo numbering Aug 25 20:10:42 bluehash: I don't really have experience with such stuff with N800, you'll have to google for it (and it's bed time for me) Aug 25 20:10:42 figured I could try to help while I fix my problem Aug 25 20:11:00 erstazi: a comment? Aug 25 20:11:02 sorry I didn't finish typing out out beofre you found it Aug 25 20:11:26 qgil: yes,... "thank you for maemo" Aug 25 20:11:52 qgil: really, this is why I bought the Nokia 770 and will be buying the n800 sometime. Aug 25 20:12:42 qgil: and there is a business model with Open Source, I found out that its true after 10 years... I was afraid of releasing anything as Open Source. Aug 25 20:12:53 Hi guys.. How can I tunneling my connection over ssh? There is a package or something to do that? Aug 25 20:13:03 DaniloCesar: commandline Aug 25 20:13:28 DaniloCesar: just read up on ssh tunneling Aug 25 20:13:38 damn it, so close to getting iodined up Aug 25 20:13:38 I do it all the time Aug 25 20:13:42 ssh -D Aug 25 20:13:59 gets you a sock poxy at locahost:,portnumber> Aug 25 20:14:07 In my Desktop I use ssh -D 5151 to build the tunnel and tsocks to work with applications. But tsocks doesn't work with N800 Aug 25 20:14:56 Ok... But I need to do this every time that I want to use (or not) the tunnel? Aug 25 20:15:19 DaniloCesar: set up a shell script Aug 25 20:15:27 mmmm erstazi, I'm a bit confused :) Aug 25 20:15:42 qgil: how so? Aug 25 20:15:50 erstazi: I'm sorry but I'll send you the maemo shirt Aug 25 20:16:35 qgil: I already got my gratification, I found articles that I want to use. Aug 25 20:16:41 erstazi: then... how it comes that you don't have an N800 - you are one the wiser guys in the maemo community Aug 25 20:17:13 qgil: I bought my 770 about 2 months ago, I prefer to mess with the stablest first (: Aug 25 20:17:29 not that OS2007 is not stable, just like stabler (: Aug 25 20:17:37 erstazi: I finally fixed my ssh, and I can get to either /boot folder Aug 25 20:17:50 qgil: mainly don't want to invest $200 more in something I am going to break (: Aug 25 20:17:58 i got the fingerprint sensor "working" on my new tablet. no apps to use it, but the driver and proof-of-concept apps work Aug 25 20:18:13 r2d2rogers: congrads Aug 25 20:18:14 an n800 is only $200? Aug 25 20:18:20 amr: no Aug 25 20:18:21 where? Aug 25 20:18:22 i wish Aug 25 20:18:22 oh Aug 25 20:18:28 yeah i was going to say, id have bought 3 Aug 25 20:18:36 amr: $200 more than a 770, n800 is only $330 Aug 25 20:18:40 id have bought a hundred Aug 25 20:18:41 erstazi: thanks, I don't find anything in them currently though Aug 25 20:18:41 oh thats not bad Aug 25 20:18:42 ebay :) Aug 25 20:18:52 sparr: not even ebay Aug 25 20:19:01 i would have sold them on ebay if i got them for $200 elsewhere Aug 25 20:19:03 those nuts on there even bid higher than what buy.com was selling the 770 for! Aug 25 20:19:14 I sell on ebay myself *sometimes* Aug 25 20:19:27 if i sell my 770 it will be on ebay, and i will sell it for more than retail Aug 25 20:19:40 pre-loaded with decent software is worth $$ to people too stupid to set things up Aug 25 20:19:44 sparr: correction... people will be willing to pay more than for retail! Aug 25 20:19:59 sparr: if you seel it with your hacks inside probably the increased price is worth ;) Aug 25 20:20:07 sparr: for a brand new 770, I saw people pay $50 more than buy.com Aug 25 20:20:17 almost there, ... Aug 25 20:20:18 i believe it Aug 25 20:20:22 wb timelE61i Aug 25 20:20:42 I am not promoting buy.com but they gave me a great deal when everyone else was asking $150 for a 770 Aug 25 20:21:01 and now I got a few companies looking at buying 770's for their employees Aug 25 20:21:06 Does buy.com ship to germany? Aug 25 20:21:14 My company bought 4 on my recommendation, actually Aug 25 20:21:15 where's klausk boulevardi 5? Aug 25 20:21:18 kikka: they accept euroe Aug 25 20:21:23 s/euroe/euro/ Aug 25 20:21:23 erstazi meant: kikka: they accept euro Aug 25 20:21:47 timelE61i: Did you mean: klaus k bulevardi Aug 25 20:22:00 (hey, that's what google gave me :P) Aug 25 20:22:02 Probably Aug 25 20:22:07 Mhm, yes. Mhm... Well, i paid in german shop 170€. That's ok. Aug 25 20:22:13 after dealing with 20 wiki orphan pages there are currently only 40 left Aug 25 20:22:20 buy.com is awesome because they ship free and dont charge tax a lot of places Aug 25 20:22:24 i'm at mannerheimenti Aug 25 20:22:31 now I should go and do non-maemo stuff Aug 25 20:22:36 qgil: I am ok it, my wife was talking to me, and saw the shirt offer, she said size small heh Aug 25 20:22:49 my company bought 2 770s so far. and myself and my boss bought our own. we hope to get a dozen more for the company once we get people using them Aug 25 20:23:05 sp3000? Aug 25 20:23:08 sparr: they are great for mobility in the office Aug 25 20:23:12 timelE61i: I see 2-4, dunno what's at 5 Aug 25 20:23:22 k Aug 25 20:23:22 erstazi: on Monday I will send you an email asking your snail mail address and sices for men and woman Aug 25 20:23:29 qgil: thank you Aug 25 20:23:31 so is there a way to get a boot log out of a 770? Aug 25 20:23:41 r2d2rogers: dmesg? syslog? Aug 25 20:23:52 wait, boulevardi changes name at mannerheim doesn't it Aug 25 20:23:53 we have a legacy sco unix server that runs our warehouse management software via telnet... xterm+telnet on the 770 will be a cheap solution for people wandering the warehouse looking for things Aug 25 20:24:02 timelE61i: are you backporting http://twitter.com/ to IRC? Aug 25 20:24:18 uh Aug 25 20:24:20 sparr: can't do dmesg for the rebooting issue, but can get to something after booting back to internal flash Aug 25 20:24:38 sp3000 kitos Aug 25 20:24:41 sparr: I'm dual booting OS2006 and have messed up the MMC install somehow Aug 25 20:24:43 np Aug 25 20:25:25 sparr: but I can access the MMC file system and even install packegs through a chroot Aug 25 20:25:44 oh, dunno then. good luck. Aug 25 20:25:57 sparr: thanks Aug 25 20:29:02 qgil? Aug 25 20:29:14 timelE61i: yes Aug 25 20:29:15 i don't have email here Aug 25 20:29:32 did you zap something from connectivity? Aug 25 20:29:43 if so please update wiki Aug 25 20:30:06 * timelE61i reloads Aug 25 20:30:23 timelE61i: they told me that "phone" wasn't a sensible component and I removed it, that's all Aug 25 20:31:38 k. i forgot to reload and saw it. My faulr Aug 25 20:31:54 timelE61i: I'm assuming you are looking at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bugsmaemoorgreorg/ Aug 25 20:32:27 Hello guys Aug 25 20:32:39 How are you ? Aug 25 20:33:19 * sp3000 still feels poor mediaplayer should go to apps rather than hang out all alone in multimedia Aug 25 20:33:20 I have readed the newspaper last day Aug 25 20:34:19 And there was written that the cd never could be produced Aug 25 20:34:59 This is a problem for all the sector of music Aug 25 20:35:20 ok Aug 25 20:35:44 would anyone have suggestions on where I might look into setting my 770 to auto connect to wifi on boot? Aug 25 20:36:00 maybe the command like with the browser asking for a web page? Aug 25 20:36:03 Foresta 25 years we have listen the music with the player for music or on the computer Aug 25 20:36:22 s/like/line/ Aug 25 20:36:22 r2d2rogers meant: maybe the command line with the browser asking for a web page? Aug 25 20:36:41 hey nice bot Aug 25 20:37:22 Now the problem is that there are not anymore covers and texts for the songs Aug 25 20:37:54 sp3000: well, you have a point - now that it's a component alone - timelE61i feel free to leave it under Applications if after the party your brain tells you it makes sense Aug 25 20:38:07 But only the possibility to buy on internet Aug 25 20:38:37 k. We'll see Aug 25 20:39:19 i'm closing products atm Aug 25 20:39:56 btw, i need versions to merge 770 to n800 Aug 25 20:40:38 Hello. Aug 25 20:41:09 timelE61i: as I said before - I suggest IT OS 2006, IT OS 2006 HE, IT OS 2007 - that's it - you always ask people to upgrade to last stable when submitting a bug Aug 25 20:41:13 And people have not adsl, wi-fi... How they could listen the music ? Why to pay a price to itunes or others when i can buy Aug 25 20:41:25 timelE61i: maemo specific products will have the maemo numbering Aug 25 20:41:58 In to my preferrered shop or on a bookstore ? Aug 25 20:42:45 hi roope Aug 25 20:42:56 I think that a petition could stop this crazy idea Aug 25 20:43:23 Bye bye paolo ninuxpdb@gmail.com Aug 25 20:43:36 Online petitions always work Aug 25 20:43:48 http://www.deezer.com/ is one interesting example of internet music. Aug 25 20:43:57 a really wide selection. it's free. just type a song and listen. Aug 25 20:44:03 ok Aug 25 20:45:17 timelE61i: for maemo we have 2.2 and 3.x - I don't see the need to put all the rest Aug 25 20:45:31 is there a pge that lists them? Aug 25 20:46:16 timelE61i: I have an early draft in my laptop :P Aug 25 20:46:21 haven't tried with our browser(s), though. Aug 25 20:46:34 is it connected Aug 25 20:46:55 timelE61i: no, is taking a deserved weekend rest Aug 25 20:48:27 timelE61i: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/maemoreleasesrepositoriesdistros/ in fact, what I have in my laptop is a bit more of a small history of maemo Aug 25 20:49:10 timelE61i: we could include Sardine, yes - not Herring though Aug 25 20:51:05 erstazi: oh, I forgot to tell you something very important before - so confused I was Aug 25 20:51:14 oh Aug 25 20:51:18 erstazi: "Thank You" Aug 25 20:51:24 qgil: no problem at all Aug 25 20:51:31 I enjoy helping if I have time Aug 25 20:52:40 erstazi: I'm taking now all the Maemo* pages Aug 25 20:53:15 ok Aug 25 20:53:34 qgil: I don't understand that last statement Aug 25 20:53:57 Most awkward pageant answer c/o Miss Teen USA 2007 South Carolina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww Aug 25 20:54:04 erstazi: I'm going through all the pages starying with "Maemo" at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ Aug 25 20:54:07 ah Aug 25 20:54:18 hi user_ Aug 25 20:54:36 Ok Aug 25 20:54:49 Phew Aug 25 20:54:50 Done Aug 25 20:54:57 It worked Aug 25 20:54:57 ekim|irc: flashed? Aug 25 20:55:01 yup Aug 25 20:55:02 :) Aug 25 20:55:06 ekim|irc: OS2006? Aug 25 20:55:06 <_Monkey> it has been said that OS2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 Aug 25 20:55:08 No Aug 25 20:55:16 I am now booted from the mmc Aug 25 20:55:17 ekim|irc: oh wait you have an n800 Aug 25 20:55:19 oh Aug 25 20:55:25 I did that yes Aug 25 20:55:28 ekim|irc: is it faster or have you not did a benchmark test yet? Aug 25 20:55:29 but that was quick Aug 25 20:55:33 No Aug 25 20:55:39 it doesnt seem much faster Aug 25 20:55:50 how much faster should it boot Aug 25 20:55:52 I keep on hearing that but I find it hard to believe Aug 25 20:55:59 it still takes about 20 seconds to boot Aug 25 20:56:02 its all flash really Aug 25 20:56:07 I know Aug 25 20:56:10 thats expected, in my opinion Aug 25 20:56:13 I didnt do it for speed Aug 25 20:56:17 I did it for space Aug 25 20:56:20 ah Aug 25 20:56:22 I got ya now Aug 25 20:56:27 What are some of your favorite apps Aug 25 20:56:31 Now I gotta start from scratch Aug 25 20:56:35 what do you think I should install Aug 25 20:56:36 ekim|irc: oh I got a few Aug 25 20:56:46 lets have 'em :0 Aug 25 20:56:49 * :) Aug 25 20:57:07 qgil: I am going to stop for a second and attack the rest of the ones besides maemo* Aug 25 20:57:20 ekim|irc: I will have _Monkey do the work for me ok? Aug 25 20:57:24 fbreader? Aug 25 20:57:24 <_Monkey> i guess fbreader is a e-book reader originally written for Zaurus platform. Supported formats are: FB2, plain text, html, rtf, chm, plucker. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/fbreader/ Aug 25 20:57:39 ekim|irc: you have OS2006 correct? Aug 25 20:58:04 ekim|irc: maybe I should start from the most important and work my way down (: I can give you my sources.list as well Aug 25 20:58:25 How can I start browser by command line? Aug 25 20:58:34 DaniloCesar: mmm the opera browser? Aug 25 20:58:52 DaniloCesar: try typing/tapping opera Aug 25 20:58:59 or MicroB.. Is the same commando rigth? Aug 25 20:59:09 try it Aug 25 20:59:13 There is no commando opera Aug 25 20:59:46 there is a "browser" command, but don't work Aug 25 21:00:55 DaniloCesar: not sure on that Aug 25 21:01:11 DaniloCesar: I am looking in applications.menu, I think its listed there Aug 25 21:01:15 but i have to scp it over Aug 25 21:01:24 and make new lines to the node I want Aug 25 21:02:02 tana_fi_web Aug 25 21:02:05 but that doesn't make sense Aug 25 21:02:19 try typing browser Aug 25 21:02:52 nada here Aug 25 21:03:02 can I install MicroB on os2006 ? Aug 25 21:03:07 ekim|irc: yes Aug 25 21:03:09 actually Aug 25 21:03:12 try minimo Aug 25 21:03:15 minimo? Aug 25 21:03:15 <_Monkey> i guess minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ Aug 25 21:03:23 I never tried MicroB Aug 25 21:03:30 re Aug 25 21:03:36 which is better Aug 25 21:03:40 ekim|irc: do you want my sources.list? http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list Aug 25 21:03:42 MicroB or Minimo and whats the difference Aug 25 21:03:43 Yeah Aug 25 21:03:51 ekim|irc: I never tried MicroB so I cannot give a suggestion Aug 25 21:04:26 Dang Aug 25 21:04:31 How many apps do you have erstazi ? Aug 25 21:04:32 lol Aug 25 21:05:09 ekim|irc: well, before I flashed, I had a lot, then I had to flash because a bad package I made /: Aug 25 21:05:28 ekim|irc: do you know how to get that sources.list onto your nokia? I can walk you through Aug 25 21:05:36 ekim|irc: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ Aug 25 21:05:50 you need (all these terms are in _Monkey) xterm, becomeroot, openssh Aug 25 21:06:30 well...I obviously have xterm and becomeroot because i am bootinf from mmc Aug 25 21:06:34 I think I have _Monkey setup to respond to openssh's howto install it, it has information on where the install is and the one thing you need to do to get it working, other wise openssh is very easy to install Aug 25 21:06:36 I like dropbear better then openssh Aug 25 21:06:41 ekim|irc: ok Aug 25 21:06:45 anything else Aug 25 21:06:52 I wonder whats up with MicroB Aug 25 21:06:52 ekim|irc: do you prefer vi? or do you want nano? Aug 25 21:06:56 anyone used it Aug 25 21:07:00 neither Aug 25 21:07:00 vim Aug 25 21:07:03 ok Aug 25 21:07:05 I like nano too Aug 25 21:07:08 nano? Aug 25 21:07:09 <_Monkey> it has been said that nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano/ Aug 25 21:07:11 what do you mean up? Aug 25 21:07:27 i'm currently rearranging bugs.maemo Aug 25 21:07:28 timelE61: ekim|irc is wondering if MicroB is better than minimo Aug 25 21:07:40 if I use your sources.list I can get all that sutff Aug 25 21:07:46 yeah...how is it different Aug 25 21:07:48 ekim|irc: yes Aug 25 21:07:51 Minimo has serious text input issues Aug 25 21:07:58 timelE61: I did notice that Aug 25 21:07:59 Can I run microB on os2006 Aug 25 21:08:10 microb will work better w/ platform elements Aug 25 21:08:14 ekim|irc: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ (going twice) Aug 25 21:08:30 sorry Aug 25 21:08:56 sold! Aug 25 21:09:08 sp3000: thank you, I will use that as well Aug 25 21:09:46 erstazi: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ looks *very* good now Aug 25 21:09:55 qgil: yes, you are much faster than I am Aug 25 21:10:13 qgil: you must have a very large resolution or such, are you greater than 1280x1024? Aug 25 21:10:38 qgil: I end up reading some of these orphaned articles... some are quite worth keeping Aug 25 21:10:38 erstazi: that's my resolution - but if I'm fast I guess it's because I know better what can be deleted Aug 25 21:11:13 erstazi: I'm not thinking, whatever is worth goes to the main page , ikn case of doubts WikiReorg, the rest... aftermath Aug 25 21:11:44 erstazi: and indeed, there are many more interesting pages than I thought, this cleaning is very almost enlightning to em Aug 25 21:11:45 me Aug 25 21:12:12 qgil: same here, as I said, I would really like to work on a section on the main wiki page about porting Aug 25 21:12:25 and maybe have some fellow scratchboxers help out with some information Aug 25 21:12:48 erstazi: I'm going to pick from N800DeveloperDeviceProgram to OS2007 Tested Applications since they look like semiofficial, you pick the rest? Aug 25 21:12:55 I am not completely knowledgeable about scratchbox like I would like so it would be very expanding for me Aug 25 21:13:04 0.2005.40 = 1.0 ? Aug 25 21:13:06 qgil: definitely, I can do more if you like Aug 25 21:13:17 qgil? Aug 25 21:13:35 timelE61: yes, my dear party animal Aug 25 21:14:11 i get post-install errors on installing openssh-server. i'm fixing them by hand, but is it a package problem? Aug 25 21:15:17 zwnj: what are the errors? Aug 25 21:15:32 erstazi: one was about the 'sshd' user Aug 25 21:15:53 and the other one is on sshd_config Aug 25 21:16:01 zwnj: it might be or you missed a step Aug 25 21:16:05 openssh? Aug 25 21:16:06 <_Monkey> openssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ Aug 25 21:16:41 hmmm Aug 25 21:16:42 well, i tried to install openssh-server, before removing dropbear-server Aug 25 21:17:00 zwnj: that might be a conflict then Aug 25 21:17:19 hmm, am I not supposed to use my Garage account to edit the Wiki? Aug 25 21:17:22 i removed dropbear, but i get errors on --reinstall yet Aug 25 21:17:33 i'm trying to clean-up things Aug 25 21:17:43 just wanted to check if others have same problems... Aug 25 21:17:58 sully: not sure about that one Aug 25 21:18:18 5.2006.13==? Aug 25 21:18:26 sully: are you attacking the orphans as well? if so please tell me or qgil, I don't want a submit conflict issue Aug 25 21:18:43 erstazi, I'd like to but I can't seem to log in and find the edit view Aug 25 21:19:10 sully: do you have javascript enabled? make sure its https:// and not http:// Aug 25 21:19:11 sully: your garage account should work - when did you created it, now or a wgile ago? Aug 25 21:19:19 I just created it ~5 minutes ago Aug 25 21:19:28 qgil? Aug 25 21:19:36 sully: then wait - but we will get rid of the orphans before Aug 25 21:19:39 okay Aug 25 21:20:10 timelE61: 5.2006.13==? no idea, but sounds = IT OS 2006 and that's it Aug 25 21:20:43 timelE61: are you talking about maemo versions? Aug 25 21:20:51 itos2006se had its own listing :/ Aug 25 21:21:41 timelE61: sorry I don't know the ruight answer then Aug 25 21:22:25 can you do "OS2006 5.2006.13" or something repetitively silly like that? or does that run into too much truncation Aug 25 21:22:58 sp3000: any idea what it is? Aug 25 21:23:09 qgil said x.y Aug 25 21:23:20 maybe 2.1? Aug 25 21:23:51 http://repository.maemo.org/ has one list to match to Aug 25 21:24:22 # maemo 1.0 (Nokia 770) # maemo 1.1 (Nokia 770) # maemo 2.0 'mistral' (Nokia 770) # maemo 2.1 'scirocco' (Nokia 770) # maemo 2.2 'gregale' for Nokia 770 development Aug 25 21:25:24 sp3000: I'd say the idea for non-maemo (development= components i.e. apps is to point to IT OS 200* without getting into much details Aug 25 21:26:49 qgil: I got 3 left Aug 25 21:27:00 s/3/2/ Aug 25 21:27:00 erstazi meant: qgil: I got 2 left Aug 25 21:27:33 erstazi: I think I stepped on one edit sicne I still see 3 :) Aug 25 21:27:41 yeah Aug 25 21:27:48 qgil: /me thinks so too Aug 25 21:28:27 https://maemo.org/community/wiki/lithiumionbatteryusage/ is for power users Aug 25 21:28:28 qgil: surprisingly, thats the only second time that this has happened Aug 25 21:28:31 ah Aug 25 21:28:34 ok moving that Aug 25 21:28:46 well, I had to do some re-edits ;) Aug 25 21:28:53 * sp3000 tries to figure out if qgil was making a pun, there Aug 25 21:28:57 qgil: my mistakes? heh Aug 25 21:29:40 https://maemo.org/community/wiki/multimediacard/ needs editing, I can do this now - it is for normal users Aug 25 21:29:50 ok Aug 25 21:30:07 https://maemo.org/community/wiki/mydocs/ for power users Aug 25 21:30:07 qgil: putting into normal users Aug 25 21:30:25 sp3000: I wish I could remember who are you in real life :) Aug 25 21:33:49 qgil: its done Aug 25 21:34:07 qgil: oprhans is cleaned... do you want me to start working on the re organized part? editing some articles? Aug 25 21:34:49 qgil: btw, I manage a few wiki's myself, two business ones and a few personal/channel ones Aug 25 21:34:53 qgil: tuukka tolvanen is my secret identity Aug 25 21:35:53 s/secret/superhero/ Aug 25 21:35:54 sp3000 meant: qgil: tuukka tolvanen is my superhero identity Aug 25 21:35:58 or, uh, something Aug 25 21:35:58 <_Monkey> rumour has it something is wacky here Aug 25 21:36:16 Can I download maps for offline browsing with Maemo mapper? Aug 25 21:36:24 yes Aug 25 21:36:32 kupesoft: its in the menu of MaemoMapper Aug 25 21:36:44 erstazi: Can I download like all of North America? Aug 25 21:37:05 erstazi: I'll check it out, I left me n800 in the car ;p Aug 25 21:37:13 it'll probably fit on a floppy with the rest of the internet :) Aug 25 21:37:20 erstazi: edited the multimedia card table page Aug 25 21:37:27 WE ARE DONE WITH THE ORPHANS!!!! Aug 25 21:37:28 cool Aug 25 21:37:43 * qgil sent no pun to sp3000 Aug 25 21:37:51 qgil: ok, do you want me to start working on the re organized part? editing some articles? Aug 25 21:38:06 * Jaffa catches up on the logs, post-Ocean's 13. Aug 25 21:38:33 erstazi: so, I'll tell you my plans as maemo guy with this wiki Aug 25 21:38:44 ok Aug 25 21:39:39 erstazi: 1. http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ Now that we know the useful pages that currently the wiki has - http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ I wanted to organize them in a different way, by topic: multimedia, connectivity, etc Aug 25 21:39:58 ok Aug 25 21:40:12 qgil: do you have a purposed outline structure? Aug 25 21:40:13 we are going to implement these topics across the maemo official documentation as well, to leave behind the organization by content type Aug 25 21:40:20 making the latter work with the tags Aug 25 21:40:25 ok Aug 25 21:40:55 erstazi: yes, I have, but in the office - I will apply it on Monday since I don't trust my memory on weekends Aug 25 21:41:01 (nor I do the rest of the week, btw) Aug 25 21:41:06 heh Aug 25 21:41:17 qgil: ok, well I can start rewriting some articles and creating articles Aug 25 21:41:24 wait Aug 25 21:41:27 ok Aug 25 21:41:46 2. http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ needs a narrow look now to see what we really want to save Aug 25 21:41:54 ok Aug 25 21:42:01 either as official docs under Development/Documentation Aug 25 21:42:05 or updated wiki pages Aug 25 21:42:18 what we do with the pages in non-English Aug 25 21:42:25 and all the rest---> delete Aug 25 21:42:32 ok Aug 25 21:43:00 anything else? Aug 25 21:43:15 3. the http://maemo.org/community/wiki/pagestodelete/ need to be actually deleted, a monkey's work for a monkey with admin rights - I will find a volunteer in-house Aug 25 21:43:34 ah Aug 25 21:43:42 Yay, my proper response has appeared on Gustavo's blog :) Aug 25 21:43:49 and from this point to me the wiki content is done by the maemo-core side, leaving totally the rest of the initiative to the community Aug 25 21:44:12 qgil: isn't midguard have its content/data in databases? Aug 25 21:44:19 erstazi: then, before you write/improve anything in the wiki seriously Aug 25 21:44:36 qgil: nix that last statement, I am not with it right now Aug 25 21:44:44 erstazi: make sure you get a grasp of the good content at http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/ Aug 25 21:44:45 * erstazi listens Aug 25 21:44:47 not to repeat work Aug 25 21:44:59 qgil: good point Aug 25 21:45:20 erstazi: midgard is like a CMS put on top of a database and a control system - why you ask? Aug 25 21:45:21 qgil: is it acceptable to copy the content and note it came from there? Aug 25 21:45:33 erstazi: don't ask me, ask itt Aug 25 21:46:06 erstazi: if you ask the community wiki editor in me I would tell you that if a page is good, better link to it Aug 25 21:46:11 qgil: the statement about midguard, just ignore, I wasn't thinking (I develop CMS/DBMS) and my point was if its not linked in the wiki anymore, you could just delete the data Aug 25 21:46:22 qgil: right Aug 25 21:46:40 qgil: figured so Aug 25 21:46:54 Bye! Aug 25 21:46:58 erstazi: I'm going to blog about this - and then sleep Aug 25 21:47:15 qgil: have a good sleep (: Aug 25 21:47:52 erstazi: I see a lot of enthusiasm between your lines - are you aware of https://maemo.org/news and the capacity to push news to the top - and making them stay there more days Aug 25 21:48:08 this is my next battle now that the wiki (and hopefully bugzilla) are in better shape Aug 25 21:48:35 qgil: yes, and news is a good platform for this project Aug 25 21:48:52 ok Aug 25 21:50:25 ok, I got some more svn commits to attack Aug 25 21:51:02 qgil: keep me informed with anymore I will attack the rest later probably tonight Aug 25 21:51:49 erstazi: I have no more recommendation for volunteers as for today :) Aug 25 21:52:49 qgil: then monday night I will be awaiting (: Aug 25 21:53:27 erstazi: really, about the wiki you can push wherever you feel without anybody telling you :) Aug 25 21:54:02 qgil: I understand, thats part of collaboration Aug 25 21:54:26 qgil: could I use the test.maemo.org/wiki for testing? Aug 25 21:54:44 erstazi: mmmno, that's dead - what do you want to test? Aug 25 21:56:07 The n800 is so flaky when it comes to powering it on when the A/C is plugged in Aug 25 22:00:18 qgil: well, nevermind, I just wanted to test my articles but its cool Aug 25 22:00:39 kupesoft: you just got to hold down the power button for a few seconds Aug 25 22:01:03 erstazi: test them in the new wiki instead of using the old, no? Aug 25 22:01:09 qgil: correct Aug 25 22:01:35 qgil: I mainly have to collect my thoughts, not too many *good* implementations brb Aug 25 22:08:11 keesj_: take a look at this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/Internet:Outlook_Sync Aug 25 22:16:56 erstazi: http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/389 there we go, good night and thanks again Aug 25 22:17:46 qgil: no problem, sleep tight Aug 25 22:20:37 where ddo you guys get your themes from Aug 25 22:20:47 I can only seem to find 4 Aug 25 22:21:00 where do I find ones like this Aug 25 22:21:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwR8Jp4_wq8 Aug 25 22:21:59 ekim|irc: there is an article about getting OS2007HE themes Aug 25 22:22:26 ekim|irc: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_OS2007_themes_on_OS2006 Aug 25 22:25:34 Can somebody get me this theme ? Aug 25 22:25:34 http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~james.smith/Picture46.jpg Aug 25 22:37:07 ekim|irc: thats adria Aug 25 22:40:34 ekim|irc: thats the default theme for the n800 anyways Aug 25 22:46:19 but I have a 770 Aug 25 22:46:24 Do you have an n800 ? Aug 25 22:48:41 ekim|irc: no, that was my next point to be made if you responded Aug 25 22:49:00 ekim|irc: if someone has OS2007HE or OS2007 you could grab that theme Aug 25 22:49:04 or just find it online Aug 25 22:50:39 You were saying ? Aug 25 22:51:14 Do you have an n800 Aug 25 22:51:21 ekim|irc: you could either find it online or someone can give you that theme Aug 25 22:51:28 brb Aug 25 22:52:06 Whats it called again Aug 25 22:59:07 So...yeah Aug 25 23:04:55 ekim|irc: adria Aug 25 23:05:39 do you have somewhere maemo 3.2 SDK easy-to-use vmware image? Aug 25 23:15:20 Ohh Aug 25 23:15:25 Thanks Aug 25 23:18:00 Nope Aug 25 23:18:02 Cant find it Aug 25 23:27:16 dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1300 package `telepathy-voip-engine': Aug 25 23:27:19 Whats up with this Aug 25 23:27:24 I got this trying to install mplayer Aug 25 23:28:14 there are ONE HUNDRE NINETY NINE PEOPLE HERE Aug 25 23:28:18 cant someone say something Aug 25 23:28:20 ? Aug 25 23:28:21 :) Aug 25 23:31:41 Will somebody please answer my question Aug 25 23:31:45 I want to play my vids Aug 25 23:37:36 do i need both of these to make apps for 3.x? scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-i386 & scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 Aug 25 23:44:03 ekim|irc-: brother Aug 25 23:44:08 i'm busy moving 1900 bugs Aug 25 23:52:20 sitting in mellow mushroom. typin, Aug 25 23:52:49 too bad i got nothin to say. Aug 25 23:55:26 F Aug 25 23:55:44 Maemo 2007 HE on 770, it is stable ? Aug 26 00:24:31 gn8 Aug 26 00:27:34 MCCob: is there a new one? Aug 26 00:27:57 ekim|irc_: still around? Aug 26 00:28:13 you should use a google search Aug 26 00:47:25 angry bar chicks are annoying. Aug 26 00:47:41 slap them with my n800. Aug 26 01:13:09 sp3000: ping, bug 231 was that ever valid Aug 26 01:13:10 <_Monkey> Bug 231 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231 Aug 26 01:13:22 or was the reporter merely unable to *hold* the escape key? Aug 26 01:14:25 maybe it was/is a bug in the de help Aug 26 01:16:04 can't say I recall if that didn't work once upon a time, I never really close with that button Aug 26 01:17:33 oh, cool, the fi help doesn't say hold the button Aug 26 01:18:09 hrm Aug 26 01:18:15 do we have a component for docs/help? Aug 26 01:18:19 check the wiki Aug 26 01:18:29 it's quite likely whichever thing either doesn't exist, or is closed to bugs Aug 26 01:18:37 so you probably can't move the bug to the right place :) Aug 26 01:20:00 yeah I don't see one Aug 26 01:20:56 I like the severity adjustment on that bug Aug 26 01:21:03 ? Aug 26 01:21:10 sorry, i'm busy making a mess Aug 26 01:21:19 minor -> enh :) Aug 26 01:21:28 help lies? enhancement! Aug 26 01:21:56 btw, impersonate user *rocks* Aug 26 01:22:26 ui has one bug, but i'll file it when i'm done Aug 26 01:26:06 does anybody know of a .deb file for gnash or swfdec for the nokia 770 Aug 26 01:34:57 Can someone get me the adria theme ? Aug 26 01:35:01 I have a 770 Aug 26 01:35:03 and I want it :) Aug 26 01:37:37 ekim|irc_: it's probably not legal for them to give it to you Aug 26 01:37:47 I disagree Aug 26 01:37:49 whats the license Aug 26 01:38:04 Does maemo *Belong* to nokia Aug 26 01:38:10 or did maemo exist before nokia Aug 26 01:38:14 maemo doesn't Aug 26 01:38:18 and is maemo opensource Aug 26 01:38:20 well, technically it does Aug 26 01:38:22 but ignoring that Aug 26 01:38:25 adria != maemo Aug 26 01:38:34 sure...nokia made it... Aug 26 01:38:42 but what license was it put under Aug 26 01:40:30 no pupnik Aug 26 01:40:31 <_Monkey> i guess no pupnik is editing applications.menu in ~/.osso/menus Aug 26 01:40:33 hate to ask, but how do i check? Aug 26 01:40:37 no new OS 2007 HE Aug 26 01:40:43 _Monkey forget no pupnki Aug 26 01:40:43 <_Monkey> timely, I didn't have anything matching no pupnki Aug 26 01:40:45 _Monkey forget no pupnik Aug 26 01:40:45 <_Monkey> timely: I forgot no pupnik Aug 26 01:40:46 wait a sec Aug 26 01:40:50 _Monkey no pupnik is Aug 26 01:40:50 <_Monkey> OK, timely. Aug 26 01:40:53 Wait Aug 26 01:40:55 _Monkey no pupnik Aug 26 01:40:56 <_Monkey> timely: huh? Aug 26 01:41:02 is 2007 hacker edition legal ? Aug 26 01:41:05 _Monkey \no pupnik is Aug 26 01:41:05 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, timely. Aug 26 01:41:09 ekim|irc_: yes Aug 26 01:41:21 then the adria them can be destributed too Aug 26 01:41:29 because it comse with 2007 hacker edition Aug 26 01:41:35 doesn't follow Aug 26 01:41:39 why not ? Aug 26 01:41:42 just because nokia ships an Aug 26 01:41:47 and includes a Aug 26 01:41:54 doesn't mean you can distribute w/o Aug 26 01:42:00 Huh... Aug 26 01:42:00 heck it doens't mean you can redistribute at all Aug 26 01:42:07 Can't someone just send me the theme Aug 26 01:42:33 I don't support piracy (I only *BROWSE* thepiratebay) Aug 26 01:42:41 but seriously Aug 26 01:42:56 I have a phone w/bluetooth and it's paired successfully w/my n800...can someone help me setting up internet access through the phone? I do have a data plan Aug 26 01:43:18 great Aug 26 01:43:21 you have an n800 Aug 26 01:43:30 clicking the globe and choosing 'select connection' it only shown wlan connections Aug 26 01:43:54 then can you send me the adria theme please :) Aug 26 01:44:12 you tell me how and I'll do it :) Aug 26 01:44:18 cool Aug 26 01:44:24 I dont remember :) Aug 26 01:44:28 but then you have to help me figure this bluetooth thing out, too :P Aug 26 01:44:29 * timely chuckles Aug 26 01:44:32 What are the tar arguments... Aug 26 01:44:33 dick-richardson: go to control panel Aug 26 01:44:34 nevermind Aug 26 01:44:39 timely: kk Aug 26 01:44:55 hey...you know how the 770 comes with busybox Aug 26 01:45:00 but its a cut-down version Aug 26 01:45:02 ekim|irc_: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 Aug 26 01:45:09 has general instructions for rebuilding a package Aug 26 01:45:10 is there any way to install the FULL version of busybox Aug 26 01:45:17 I dont want to build a package Aug 26 01:45:20 anything is possible Aug 26 01:45:21 just a tar archive :) Aug 26 01:45:37 No...you dont understand my language Aug 26 01:45:39 lemme translate Aug 26 01:46:03 "I AM LAZY , Someone please build the full version of busybox for the 770 , KTHXBYE" Aug 26 01:46:08 :) Aug 26 01:46:12 don't be lazy Aug 26 01:46:22 Lazy is the wrong word Aug 26 01:46:23 ekim|irc_: how ever will you learn? Aug 26 01:46:27 Impatient is more like it Aug 26 01:46:35 I dotn feel like downloading the entire dev environment Aug 26 01:46:38 ekim|irc_: impatience is the enemy of the hacker :P Aug 26 01:46:43 then having it run realyl slow on my machine Aug 26 01:46:49 then try to figure out how to build it Aug 26 01:47:30 timely: what should I be doing in the control panel? Aug 26 01:47:45 dick-richardson: try the app menu key Aug 26 01:47:54 timely, do you HAVE a n800 ? Aug 26 01:48:07 ekim|irc_: one 770 and one n800 Aug 26 01:48:09 both right in front of me Aug 26 01:48:14 Which do you like better ? Aug 26 01:48:21 more numbers doesnt necessarily mean better Aug 26 01:48:23 i like it when you aren't bothering me Aug 26 01:48:28 i'm trying to move 1900 bugs Aug 26 01:48:29 huh Aug 26 01:48:34 and you're being thoroughly distracting Aug 26 01:48:40 I didn't know ... geez Aug 26 01:48:46 dick-richardson: from the app menu, tools>cellular provider wizard Aug 26 01:48:47 timely: cellular provider setup wizard? Aug 26 01:48:50 or whatever the first menuitem says Aug 26 01:48:52 yes Aug 26 01:48:54 timely: perfect, thank you!!! Aug 26 01:54:14 went through the wizard, have a connection between the phone and the n800, but it still doesn't show up when I 'select connection'... Aug 26 01:58:59 it should show up there, correct? Aug 26 02:07:09 * sp3000 breaks a wiki Aug 26 02:07:33 oh, for future reference, don't apply a -w patch on python code :D Aug 26 02:07:40 "oops" Aug 26 02:11:40 <_bugs_maemo> heh Aug 26 02:12:02 <_bugs_maemo> btw, pieces of bugs.maemo.org are slowly disappearing :) Aug 26 02:15:15 <_bugs_maemo> hrm, sp3000: remind me that some people misspell "int-" as "in-" :( Aug 26 02:20:23 * sp3000 unbreaks things and naps Aug 26 02:31:14 * _bugs_maemo ponders Aug 26 02:34:01 any other ideas on this bluetooth phone Aug 26 02:38:51 Minimo avaible for N770 :) Aug 26 02:38:58 with Flash 9 ! Aug 26 02:39:25 <_bugs_maemo> minimo? where? Aug 26 02:39:25 <_Monkey> minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ Aug 26 02:39:31 <_bugs_maemo> oh shut up Aug 26 02:42:08 :D Aug 26 02:42:27 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ :) :) :) Aug 26 02:42:39 <_bugs_maemo> that's not minimo Aug 26 02:42:48 oh ?! Aug 26 02:42:54 <_bugs_maemo> _Monkey microb Aug 26 02:42:55 <_Monkey> microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) Aug 26 02:42:57 it is differend one ! Aug 26 02:43:00 ok ok Aug 26 02:43:13 <_bugs_maemo> _Monkey really timeless? Aug 26 02:43:14 <_Monkey> _bugs_maemo: i haven't a clue Aug 26 02:43:39 <_bugs_maemo> _Monkey timeless really? Aug 26 02:43:40 <_Monkey> somebody said timeless really was a browser developer working for nokia on the maemo browser (microb). also a mozilla contributor Aug 26 02:43:47 what is the difference between maemo & microb ? Aug 26 02:43:53 <_bugs_maemo> maemo is a platform Aug 26 02:43:57 <_bugs_maemo> microb only really works on maemo Aug 26 02:44:07 <_bugs_maemo> you really meant to ask how minimo and microb differed Aug 26 02:44:09 <_bugs_maemo> but you didn't Aug 26 02:45:03 yes ? Aug 26 02:45:19 <_bugs_maemo> yes Aug 26 02:45:45 maemo is a platform for different portable device ? Aug 26 02:46:00 or small device Aug 26 02:46:13 <_bugs_maemo> _Monkey maemo Aug 26 02:46:13 <_Monkey> hmmm... maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software Aug 26 02:46:20 oupppppppppps Aug 26 02:46:24 <_bugs_maemo> boy, _Monkey is really helpful Aug 26 02:46:26 I want to say minimo Aug 26 02:46:38 apologize Aug 26 02:46:53 <_bugs_maemo> miinimo is a gecko derivative written in xul designed for portable use on small devices Aug 26 02:47:04 ok Aug 26 02:47:21 in microb, there is part of minimo or no ? Aug 26 02:47:27 only gecko ? Aug 26 02:47:45 <_bugs_maemo> they use approximately the same gecko, minus differences Aug 26 02:47:56 ok Aug 26 02:48:12 <_bugs_maemo> but, i'm kinda busy using geckos (whichever versions) to attack bugs.maemo Aug 26 02:48:17 <_bugs_maemo> i'd like to get back to that Aug 26 02:50:03 thank's for explain ;) Aug 26 02:51:21 seriously Aug 26 02:51:26 can someone please send me the adria theme Aug 26 02:54:06 it is os 2007 theme ? Aug 26 02:57:31 MCCob: it is Aug 26 02:58:52 I have 770 'n os 2006 ;) Aug 26 02:59:05 failed in buffer_write(fd) (8, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/microb-engine/libxul.so': No space left on device ! :) i found the problem :) Aug 26 02:59:38 MCCob, yeah Aug 26 02:59:53 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 26 02:59:57 2007