**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 29 02:59:56 2007 Aug 29 03:00:38 I wanna access it offline Aug 29 03:00:59 Yeah, it was a joke suggestion. Aug 29 03:01:08 ohh Aug 29 03:01:17 I knew that Aug 29 03:01:34 so...how do I do it ? Aug 29 03:01:55 Not a clue. ;) Aug 29 03:02:17 :( Aug 29 03:11:47 going to bed , later guys Aug 29 03:22:16 Aug 29 03:45:16 Aug 29 03:49:25 pupnik: ? Aug 29 03:49:54 keyboard does not like orange juice Aug 29 03:50:05 sticky keys Aug 29 03:54:01 pupnik: I was able to build microb-engine on ARMEL. YOu know how I can run it/test it? Aug 29 03:54:37 nice... i don't know how to start it manually though Aug 29 03:57:26 I saw in some chat logs you were talking about being able to run it. did you do apt-get install after building it? Aug 29 03:58:46 can I do apt-get install with ARMEL packages and be able to see on maemo/Xephyr? Aug 29 03:59:23 or do I need to use QEMU. How to start QEMU? [I have to read about it] Aug 29 03:59:48 i just hit the browser icon on the device and it started microb instead of opera Aug 29 04:00:18 you start xephyr in your host Aug 29 04:00:33 with ./start-xephyr.sh Aug 29 04:00:50 then in scratchbox (armel) you run af-sb-init.sh Aug 29 04:01:48 twhich starts the windowmanager Aug 29 04:02:47 thanks. I am able to do all that. But after building microb-engine for ARMEL, did you do apt-get install? or what did you do? I am not able to see anything under the browser menu Aug 29 04:03:18 i didn't build it Aug 29 04:03:57 if you have a .deb package you can install with dpkg -i Aug 29 04:05:49 Oh.. I have microb-engine_1.0.3_13_armel.deb. I will try that. Thanks. Aug 29 04:13:57 pupnik:dpkg -i succedded [ I had to install multiple .debs to succeed though]. After that I restarted Xephyr. Still I did not see microb. Is it under web? Aug 29 04:14:33 bye Aug 29 04:20:15 yeah should be Aug 29 04:23:15 :-( May be I will log out and logback in and try that. I could not stop scratchbox successfully. Aug 29 05:01:58 What's the username/password for canola configuration? I don't remember ever setting one myself. Aug 29 05:08:16 perhaps admin/password Aug 29 05:08:29 it definely requires one to change it Aug 29 05:08:46 or admin/admin Aug 29 05:11:04 neither of those work .. weird.. the "manual" videos show the configuration tool and it pops up without ever asking for a username/password Aug 29 05:12:10 I found the configuration file /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/canola-conf/%gconf where I can set the IP and port for the server... no password option though Aug 29 05:15:13 Ok, very interesting. I changed the port number in the above configuration file and it no longer asks for a password :) Aug 29 05:17:17 ah, gconf provides a config framework Aug 29 06:04:31 lle2: should scratchbox have a component in bugs.maemo? Aug 29 06:06:29 milhouse: ok, cool Aug 29 06:06:55 milhouse: anyway, if you don't mind filing an invalid bug against yourself, where you Aug 29 06:07:08 detail how you figured it out, that'd be good Aug 29 06:08:47 milhouse: yeah, definitely not our fault, good job finding what the web page did :) Aug 29 06:51:20 ok, i need someone who's alive to help me Aug 29 06:51:54 * pupnik partially qualifies Aug 29 07:01:51 indeed Aug 29 07:02:16 please join #pupnik Aug 29 07:04:11 anyone else grow out their fingernails just to better type on the IT? Aug 29 07:04:26 :) Aug 29 07:04:55 well, thumbnails really Aug 29 07:05:30 what do you use you thumbs for? Aug 29 07:05:43 i've always had mine slightly longer than most people Aug 29 07:05:54 it also helps if you need to open the back cover Aug 29 07:05:56 or the mmc slot Aug 29 07:06:06 basically nokia hardware design encourages it :) Aug 29 07:06:13 :) Aug 29 07:06:20 but mostly, the nails make it possible to emulate stylus Aug 29 07:06:27 e.g. for use w/ vkb, not fkb Aug 29 07:07:04 huh Aug 29 07:07:32 both seem to work better with nails Aug 29 07:07:33 I really only use my nails to open the menu-bar because I don't like the large icons Aug 29 07:07:55 both do, but, i tend to use vkb more than fkb Aug 29 07:08:10 do note that the iphone penalizes people w/ long fingernails (women) Aug 29 07:08:29 and once I understood that the touch is averaged can can even type on the small keyboard with my hand without to much errors Aug 29 07:08:33 wow, i have to hone my aim a bit more i guess Aug 29 07:09:31 cant really use the vkb very well yet Aug 29 07:09:58 are you guys typing all that on the vkb? Aug 29 07:11:36 * keesj not Aug 29 07:12:15 the n800 is just like me . it spends moost of it's time next to my computer Aug 29 07:12:24 ha Aug 29 07:12:25 heh Aug 29 07:12:31 qotd Aug 29 07:13:35 :P Aug 29 07:14:26 anyone here a gizmo project user? Aug 29 07:15:03 i might say 'a successful' user? Aug 29 07:15:46 cant quite decide how to use it since i discvered theres no bt headset support Aug 29 07:16:53 which is why i bought the 770... Aug 29 07:18:21 i built a custom headset only to have the tablet arrive and not be able to use it Aug 29 07:18:24 gidget: I made some calls with my girlfriend using gizmo and the 770 she was using a computer and using a headset Aug 29 07:19:00 keesj, did you hold it up to your face? Aug 29 07:19:18 or use earbuds Aug 29 07:20:09 I holded it to my head Aug 29 07:22:02 thats how i do it too, but its hard to get the volume right Aug 29 07:22:52 * gidget feels chatty Aug 29 07:27:06 well now, that was happy Aug 29 07:27:21 my mac paniced in IOATA stuff Aug 29 07:28:19 i have at times irc'd from my 770 Aug 29 07:29:29 keesj =~ s/holded/held/ Aug 29 07:29:44 timel: I did for about a week, live with my N800 as my only computer. Aug 29 07:30:21 i'm seriously considering leaving my laptop at home when i take my european vacation in september Aug 29 07:31:18 hmm. I found my N770 to be perfect for travel where all you want is cheching your mail and travel information on the web. Aug 29 07:31:30 And Maemo mapper as a city map is quite usable. Aug 29 07:31:38 * timelyx nods Aug 29 07:31:50 i' Aug 29 07:32:14 m more considering it because i'm going to italy and i'm not sure i want to have to worry about someone stealing a company laptop Aug 29 07:32:37 Italy is not *that* bad, actually. Aug 29 07:32:50 does anyone here have a list of all bugs that people had voted for in bugs.maemo.org? Aug 29 07:32:54 don't ask bugzilla *now* Aug 29 07:33:01 i need to know from before i reorganized Aug 29 07:37:58 Morning, all Aug 29 07:38:42 timelyx: no, as I got the mails saying my bugs had been de-voted, I just re-voted for them if they were still open & relevant. Aug 29 07:44:15 Jaffa: yeah, well, i just voted on behalf of about 30 people Aug 29 07:44:32 * timelyx frowns Aug 29 07:44:45 this version of bugzilla doesn't seem to let me *see* a user's account activity log Aug 29 07:45:27 ok, i'm done stuffing the ballot box for bug 176 Aug 29 07:45:27 <_Monkey> Bug 176 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 Aug 29 07:46:24 ty for doing it :) Aug 29 07:48:33 ok, done stuffing the very empty ballot box for 1654 Aug 29 07:48:52 anyone know which other ballot boxes got emptied? Aug 29 07:48:55 Jaffa: got a list? Aug 29 07:53:11 timelyx: yeah, hang on let me check my gmail Aug 29 07:54:56 ok, 1129 is the next one i get to restuff Aug 29 07:55:16 timelyx: #472, 1210, 1209, 1228, 1129, 991, 257, 366 Aug 29 08:07:21 ok, ballot box for 1235 restuffed Aug 29 08:09:14 ok. i think i've stuffed all the boxes i can find Aug 29 08:13:51 * timelyx frowns Aug 29 08:13:56 should i just brute force this? Aug 29 08:16:19 * timelyx gives up and attacks google Aug 29 08:16:30 :) Aug 29 08:17:46 hi there Aug 29 08:18:10 exist a solution to connect to the Internet via Bluetooth on a Windows Machine? Aug 29 08:18:22 for N800 Aug 29 08:23:36 damn Aug 29 08:23:42 google has decided i'm a bot Aug 29 08:25:32 Jaffa: wanna help? Aug 29 08:27:21 #!/bin/perl Aug 29 08:27:21 $b=$ARGV[0];for ($a=$b; $a <= $b+75; ++$a) { `curl -o$a 'http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A//bugs.maemo.org/votes.cgi%3Faction%3Dshow_bug%26bug_id%3D$a&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8'`;} Aug 29 08:27:38 seems i'm limited to 75 requests per Aug 29 08:27:42 i've harvested the first 75 Aug 29 08:28:32 oh, no Aug 29 08:28:38 i got rejected a lot sooner Aug 29 08:28:50 Silicium: Not officially. Aug 29 08:29:17 Never tried it on the N800 (but on the 770), let me see if I can find a link. Aug 29 08:30:01 oh well Aug 29 08:30:55 * timelyx curses Aug 29 08:31:02 ok, then i try via seriall interface Aug 29 08:31:04 over bt Aug 29 08:31:21 baybe i can code a gui application for that, asap Aug 29 08:31:26 thanks for help Aug 29 08:32:44 the posts following http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=52174#post52174 har some info. Aug 29 08:33:06 thanks Aug 29 08:36:13 and for USB Host on N800 exist any usable hacks? Aug 29 08:36:21 whitout soldering Aug 29 08:39:16 good morning Aug 29 08:40:02 Silicium: Nope, not yet at least. Aug 29 08:43:12 ok Aug 29 08:43:32 and the final question: Aug 29 08:43:40 exist any images for maemo 4? Aug 29 08:43:55 not as far as I know. Aug 29 08:44:03 ok Aug 29 08:44:10 what do you mean? Aug 29 08:44:28 anyway Aug 29 08:44:33 then i install via chroot Aug 29 08:44:49 i think this can be a lot of fun on a sd card := Aug 29 08:44:50 :) Aug 29 08:46:01 timelyx: no idea, for sb2 I certainly will not be tracking anything other than bugs.fdo Aug 29 08:46:35 lle2: problem is that a bunch of scratchbox bugs exist in bugs.maemo Aug 29 08:46:44 i can move them to Misdirected:Upstream Aug 29 08:47:06 timelyx: just move them to Misdirected:devnull Aug 29 08:48:01 timelyx: you have to ask somebody who deals with sb1, I couldn't care less Aug 29 08:50:49 yay, NokiaCare EMEA responded by saying that skype is a third party software and that I should contact them with the skype problem Aug 29 08:52:46 anyone else had the problem with the 770 that if it dies with battery low, and you try to power it up/charge it goes into a reboot loop and only a reflash fixes it ? Aug 29 08:56:52 lle2: well, that's at least not bad for a response time :) Aug 29 08:56:55 i'm surprised we don't see more asian 770/N800 users Aug 29 08:57:02 pupnik: why? Aug 29 08:57:04 we dpm Aug 29 08:57:07 we don't have fonts Aug 29 08:57:15 the web browser for the device doesn't support their encodings Aug 29 08:57:20 and we don't have an input method editor Aug 29 08:57:22 bleh Aug 29 08:57:27 exactly why would you expect to see them? Aug 29 08:57:32 note: we=maemo Aug 29 08:57:42 that's not to say that nokia does or doesn't have some or all of those pieces Aug 29 08:57:56 although in all likelihood they aren't ready Aug 29 08:57:59 i'd have hoped the unique features (linux + 800x480) and great euro-design would have found more adherents Aug 29 08:58:03 they love BMWs too Aug 29 08:58:13 china already has a knock off Aug 29 08:58:21 not sure how well it's selling Aug 29 08:58:21 ah Aug 29 08:58:34 but see... bmw's don't have much text Aug 29 08:58:38 and don't need to show newspapers Aug 29 08:59:08 (and they probably come w/ manuals in at least mandarin and cantonese) Aug 29 08:59:19 good points Aug 29 08:59:51 i think the zaurus did ok in japan Aug 29 09:00:00 asians have zauruses still don't they? Aug 29 09:00:05 it takes some time before people start wanting to spend $400 on top of the $40 mobile phone for an accessory Aug 29 09:00:34 the phone also speaks chinese Aug 29 09:00:42 in the case of japanese, the phone has a good web browser too Aug 29 09:00:52 which really defeats the point of our device Aug 29 09:01:01 but maemo is not about the device Aug 29 09:01:08 oh, iirc it also has a decent chat client Aug 29 09:01:23 lle2: it's about a platform that isn't usable in asia :) Aug 29 09:01:39 competing w/ phones that work nicely in asia and have much better feature sets Aug 29 09:01:44 yeah, but platforms are for devices, it can't be a platform either Aug 29 09:01:59 the asian phone market is something like 5 years ahead of the rest of the world Aug 29 09:02:05 on some stuff Aug 29 09:02:18 in some ways the phones are on the same level as top end europeans Aug 29 09:02:26 * timelyx nods Aug 29 09:02:30 but the network/service integration is higher Aug 29 09:02:34 right Aug 29 09:02:41 who cares, they are all flip phones, no use Aug 29 09:02:57 spoken by a true nokian Aug 29 09:03:04 :D Aug 29 09:03:07 or finn, whichever Aug 29 09:03:12 the same Aug 29 09:03:12 what's bad about flip? Aug 29 09:03:13 pick all that apply Aug 29 09:03:18 i hate flips too Aug 29 09:03:18 heh Aug 29 09:03:23 sliders are somewhat ok Aug 29 09:03:33 pupnik: there's a quote by some nokian saying something like "we will never build a flip phone" Aug 29 09:03:42 i can't remember if the guy got axed Aug 29 09:03:51 timelyx: iirc by that time they already had one in their history though Aug 29 09:03:53 high manager, stupid opinion Aug 29 09:04:05 i am really uninformed about phones, so it was a naive honest question Aug 29 09:04:06 gla55_: probably, doesn't really matter Aug 29 09:04:14 nope Aug 29 09:04:26 pupnik: i hope you didn't think we objected to your question Aug 29 09:04:32 ok the thing i don't like about flips is that the screen is further away from the kb Aug 29 09:04:42 personally i don't see that as a disadvantage Aug 29 09:04:55 moving parts Aug 29 09:04:55 and t9 users wouldn't either Aug 29 09:04:55 so it's mostly a style issue? Aug 29 09:04:58 they break Aug 29 09:04:59 and usually, the phone could have just as well been the same size as the flip closed Aug 29 09:05:18 flip buys you button+screen real estate Aug 29 09:05:27 lle2: you prefer the communicator series? Aug 29 09:05:30 solid chunk of steel would be my preferred form factor Aug 29 09:05:37 my hinge failed, the cover failed, and something else did too Aug 29 09:05:46 pupnik: most flips don't use it Aug 29 09:05:46 oh, i almost lost the keypad once on the tube in london :) Aug 29 09:06:13 yeah, gla55_ is right Aug 29 09:06:22 they're flips just for style Aug 29 09:06:25 flips tend to have the screen well inset by maybe 2cm Aug 29 09:06:31 i have had 4 different phones, all bought by either employers or girlfriends :P Aug 29 09:06:39 * timelyx rotfl Aug 29 09:06:47 how did you manage to get a gf to buy you a phone? Aug 29 09:06:59 i refused to buy one, so she did to keep me on a leash Aug 29 09:07:20 ... just like my employers! Aug 29 09:07:57 kulve: ping Aug 29 09:08:53 i got maybe 8 phones here now and loaned 3 phones to friends Aug 29 09:09:05 but then again i do symbian dev Aug 29 09:09:25 developing some sort of clustering software? Aug 29 09:09:54 nope, they all just have different bugs Aug 29 09:10:16 pupnik: wow. did she pay for the bill too? Aug 29 09:10:44 lle2: we have people in OSSO w/ phone collections, mostly for BT interop Aug 29 09:11:45 yeah Aug 29 09:11:53 timelyx: true, I tend to just feed the phones to friends and family. depending on the model. Aug 29 09:12:08 lle2: i don't have any phones my family would want Aug 29 09:12:22 my parents don't have cell phones and my sister had an LG flip Aug 29 09:12:24 timelyx: that has been the problem lately Aug 29 09:12:35 i think she considered changing phones recently Aug 29 09:12:43 but really, any phone will work for her Aug 29 09:12:54 anyway, the big win for flip phones is a good keyguard Aug 29 09:13:01 you won't accidentally dial someone w/ one Aug 29 09:13:03 overrated Aug 29 09:13:10 you won't ruin your display Aug 29 09:13:24 and you can easily unlock (well, ignoring nokia flips) Aug 29 09:13:41 at least the samsung fliphone would start recording videos in my pocket instead Aug 29 09:13:49 * timelyx rotfl Aug 29 09:13:52 almost as annoying Aug 29 09:14:01 i have trouble with multitap sms-ing with numeric pad Aug 29 09:14:02 well, my e61i will try to record my conversations for me Aug 29 09:14:11 and it's not a flip Aug 29 09:14:55 pupnik: really depends on the keypad, I had forgotten how good it could be until I was forced to use this old 6230i Aug 29 09:15:04 software needs to be fast as well Aug 29 09:15:25 i'm amazed at how easily i can use t9 on phone Aug 29 09:15:26 s Aug 29 09:15:45 i haven't used a t9 phone of my own since i came to nokia Aug 29 09:16:07 but when i was in london i helped a guy write an sms using his t9 enabled phone Aug 29 09:16:29 you end up adjusting your vocabulary, I hate that Aug 29 09:16:41 i don't use t9.. mostly because i find a pain in the ass to change between english/finnish Aug 29 09:16:53 and i'm fast enough with 9pad Aug 29 09:17:06 enough mobile irc Aug 29 09:17:24 you're on a mobile now gla55_ ? Aug 29 09:17:35 nah not now Aug 29 09:18:26 timelyx: the topic on this channel is not adhering to Maemo Convention, specifically the section concerning devices Aug 29 09:19:02 the topic doesn't seem to mention devices Aug 29 09:19:26 it says Nokia Internet Tablets, that's a reference to a physical product, isn't it? Aug 29 09:20:07 12:19 Server Mode for channel #maemo is �+nc� Aug 29 09:20:25 nothing's (+t) stopping you from changing it Aug 29 09:21:01 I'm afraid my judgement cannot be relied upon in Maemo matters Aug 29 09:21:43 lle2: find a specific citation, paste the url, change the topic Aug 29 09:21:57 ok Aug 29 09:24:46 i don't want to sound more authoritative than you feel. Aug 29 09:24:56 i usually ask someone to confirm before i do things Aug 29 09:25:05 otherwise i include a disclaimer (8/ has at least one disclaimer) Aug 29 09:31:51 Interesting, the DSP is bigendian, but the dspgateway swaps the endianness of 16bit chunks (for convenience), resulting in the odd endianness of 32bit data Aug 29 09:32:03 that explains a lot Aug 29 09:47:01 heh Aug 29 09:56:28 hrm, "oops" Aug 29 09:56:30 so, um Aug 29 09:56:51 the reorg wiki says i was supposed to replace ARM w/ 770/N800 Aug 29 09:57:38 at my job i generally don't ask 'may I do this?' Aug 29 09:57:54 that ends-up setting up unnecessary debates Aug 29 09:58:41 i understand Aug 29 09:58:46 couldn't find anything usable :( Aug 29 09:58:55 but i generally end up in a position where i'm not the despot Aug 29 09:59:04 merely someone who has been given some privs and no clear mandate Aug 29 09:59:19 which means i can get tarred and feathered by the masses if i don't walk a tight rope Aug 29 09:59:22 too bad, detaching comments from their context normally does the trick, but not now Aug 29 09:59:38 oh yeah, the larger the company the more important knowing your place is Aug 29 09:59:52 not so sure about that Aug 29 10:00:15 if the community is big and strong it can take some beating, small communities need to be protected Aug 29 10:00:27 this community is currently too small Aug 29 10:00:37 agree with that :) Aug 29 10:00:37 but even in morg, i am stuck in a similar role Aug 29 10:00:51 ok Aug 29 10:01:02 my math says that most arm bugs were filed against 770s Aug 29 10:01:19 arm bugs? Aug 29 10:01:39 somebody is filing bugs with the arm core to maemo.org bugzilla? Aug 29 10:01:48 https://bugs.maemo.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=version&y_axis_field=rep_platform&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap Aug 29 10:02:14 btw, that link will be valid for um, not very long :) Aug 29 10:02:56 hmph, those are not arm bugs Aug 29 10:03:08 for a moment you got me interested Aug 29 10:03:21 heh Aug 29 10:03:56 sorry Aug 29 10:07:01 oh well, that change will look really confused Aug 29 10:07:05 sorry all :) Aug 29 10:07:19 * timelyx should have made n800 first, moved the n800 bugs out, and then renamed 770 Aug 29 10:09:34 hi all Aug 29 10:12:21 hm.. what's the difference between arm and armel targets in scratchbox? Aug 29 10:12:49 arm is 770 itos2005 Aug 29 10:13:00 armel is 770 itos2006,itos2007, n800 Aug 29 10:13:05 armel is a different abi Aug 29 10:13:24 * timelyx spams ~1000 people Aug 29 10:13:57 lle2: silly question Aug 29 10:14:08 should the OS be listed as maemo (not an OS) or IT OS? Aug 29 10:14:13 (in bugs.maemo) Aug 29 10:14:40 heh, i suspect quim gets the most mail from this Aug 29 10:17:02 sp3000: did you drown? :) Aug 29 10:18:14 timelyx: thanks Aug 29 10:19:16 nah Aug 29 10:19:19 spam harder! Aug 29 10:20:59 cosmo: how bad was your mail load? :( Aug 29 10:25:17 Mischief managed. Aug 29 10:30:33 bugs.maemo.org just made its record of sending emails, i suppose ;) Aug 29 10:31:09 and "hello world" to everyone, been impolitely too quite for some days already Aug 29 10:35:53 why wont canola scan my mmc? i click 'rescan' on the applet on home Aug 29 10:35:58 and its just displaying wait Aug 29 10:36:03 i cant even get into 'configure canola' Aug 29 10:36:11 it runs but just displays my library as empty Aug 29 10:42:38 can you browse the mmc with the file browser? Aug 29 10:42:53 pupnik: got the words out of my mouth =) Aug 29 10:42:59 yes Aug 29 10:44:14 i don't know canola. perhaps you can try with different music files Aug 29 10:44:51 amr: are they all mp3 ? Aug 29 10:44:51 timelyx: nice bug sheet. looks quite informative. Aug 29 10:45:01 yes Aug 29 10:45:03 its worked before Aug 29 10:45:09 hi Aug 29 10:45:09 timelyx: btw, good job with bugzilla =) Aug 29 10:45:12 then i installed ukmp and kagu which didnt work Aug 29 10:45:19 so i installed canola again, now that isnt working Aug 29 10:45:33 amr: did you reboot the device as they ask for ? Aug 29 10:45:37 i cant even access localhost:9000 Aug 29 10:45:38 yes Aug 29 10:45:41 ive rebooted several times Aug 29 10:46:48 amr: I would make a wild guess that there is some seriously corrupted mp3 that crashes all of those players. Aug 29 10:46:52 can I put a backround image on a home applet's frame? I'm trying bg_pixmap of widget style but I can't succeed Aug 29 10:47:54 konttori_, i havent changed my mp3s since i last used canola Aug 29 10:48:01 nothing changed Aug 29 10:48:18 can you open ukmp in xterm? Aug 29 10:48:22 apparently something has changed, but the question is what Aug 29 10:48:23 that might help me help you Aug 29 10:48:46 i don't know latzko - perhaps you can email the guys who made their own themes Aug 29 10:48:53 try opening ukmp there and have a look at the error Aug 29 10:49:02 ive removed ukmp now Aug 29 10:49:11 ill probably just wipe the mmc Aug 29 10:50:44 amr: do you have another mmc to try ? Aug 29 10:55:38 the command-line wants to help Aug 29 10:58:38 MoRpHeUz, yeah but its mmc-mobile and my card reader doesnt like it so its empty Aug 29 10:59:00 hhmm Aug 29 11:01:56 It's not-so-difficult to compile a fsck.vfat under scratchbox. Aug 29 11:02:13 So you can fsck from the device itself. Aug 29 11:02:40 Done it, can't find the binary, and my scratchbox-installation is on a currently broken laptop ;) Aug 29 11:10:41 so, what's the difference between ovi and mosh? Aug 29 11:10:53 * konttori_ didn't see the webcast Aug 29 11:13:19 Is it so that mosh is the free content section and ovi is only for paid content? Aug 29 11:15:22 Heh. Nokia n81 is 'ngage compatible' - like hell no. You can't play games with that dpad ;) http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/10/nokia-n81-and-n82-come-to-light/ Aug 29 11:16:31 unfortunately these dpads don't get slammed as much as they should because reviewers don't use heavily before writing about em (imo) Aug 29 11:16:35 OTOH: if those buttons on the top (slash right considering landscape or portrait mode) http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/nokia-n81-shown-up-close-and-personal/ actually are buttons, then at least it seems that it's easy to press those. Kudos for the designers of those buttons Aug 29 11:17:31 yeah, they are definitely buttons. very cool. I hope next internet tablet will have the same button configuration Aug 29 11:18:23 looks nice though Aug 29 11:18:24 now, if only the dpad works, then that's a really cool concept Aug 29 11:18:37 lardman: pong Aug 29 11:19:03 konttori_: i think that's going to be pretty popular - what's the res on the screen? Aug 29 11:19:06 having tested n95 myself, I can positively say that that won't work for games. Aug 29 11:19:12 hmm Aug 29 11:19:29 you know this dpad already? Aug 29 11:19:43 640x240 maybe. Aug 29 11:19:52 it's probably the same as n95 Aug 29 11:20:09 ok Aug 29 11:22:01 at least it seems that nokia is on the right track on the game pricing. 6-10 euros is pretty much the sweetspot for casual games. Aug 29 11:22:17 that might actually make the attempt worthwhile Aug 29 11:23:37 I can see briliant future for picodrive and vsun on that device Aug 29 11:23:42 well, platform Aug 29 11:25:49 i've been brainwashing myself to accept righthandside onscreen buttons Aug 29 11:26:09 "onscreen is ok" "onscreen is ok" Aug 29 11:33:55 hmm Aug 29 11:34:09 so maemo.org/lxr is no more? Aug 29 11:36:04 * sp3000 tries to figure out where to shove a bug relating to it Aug 29 11:36:20 meh, it's "assigned" Aug 29 11:36:31 * sp3000 raises SEP field Aug 29 11:37:41 pupnik: do you have the side buttons on some emu already? Do they work? Aug 29 11:38:08 yes tak has them on fceu and i've got them on UQM Aug 29 11:38:14 work pretty well in 24fps combat Aug 29 11:52:57 ahh.. great stuff. Have you done anything to your dpad? Aug 29 11:53:52 I tested adding a glued layer on top of the rectangle part of the dpad to rais the rectangle around the middle button to over the middle button. After that, the dpad works relatively well. Aug 29 11:54:21 You can actually control the dpad without moving your finger to change direction Aug 29 11:54:59 So, I think that the easiest way to improve the dpad substancially would be to lower the middle button (or - better yet - move it to the right side like in n81) Aug 29 11:55:43 DOes it work well in fceu? I might be tempted to try it Aug 29 12:00:06 Hmm. I did try one of those emulators.. Aug 29 12:00:54 downloaded a game. came nearly to the end. Then, I discovered I needed to support the game engines "punch" command, and the UI had no way to signal it. Aug 29 12:01:00