**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 01 02:59:56 2007 Sep 01 05:01:13 dew Sep 01 08:52:47 is N800 openGL capable? Sep 01 08:55:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR Sep 01 08:55:40 no Sep 01 08:55:45 Kakeman: the hardware is, software is not Sep 01 08:55:55 will it ever be? Sep 01 08:56:07 that's a good question :) Sep 01 09:06:46 why it is disabled? Sep 01 09:07:16 only nokia knows Sep 01 09:09:34 hi to all Sep 01 09:10:36 hi Sep 01 09:23:57 Morning, all Sep 01 09:24:08 Kakeman: it's not disabled, it's just not enabled. Sep 01 11:02:44 Morning everyone Sep 01 11:02:59 I was just reading about psyco for python. Looks really interesting Sep 01 11:03:02 http://psyco.sourceforge.net/introduction.html Sep 01 11:06:11 It would need porting to be compatible with arm. They say: "2x to 100x speed-ups, typically 4x, with an unmodified Python interpreter and unmodified source code, just a dynamically loadable C extension module." Sep 01 11:06:32 OTOH: they also say it consumes quite a lot of memory. Sep 01 11:11:32 also, pypy seems like more mature JIT for python: http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/news.html Sep 01 11:28:20 konttori: hmm...this "lot of memory" could be also an issue for us on the device.. Sep 01 11:32:43 no, psyco is more mature than pypy's partial evaluation jit generator Sep 01 11:32:50 * xorAxAx hacked already on pypy Sep 01 11:48:32 ahh.. interesting Sep 01 11:48:52 but pypy is more portable (to arm) right? Sep 01 11:49:13 Also, even partieal evaluation might be very much better. Sep 01 11:49:23 (than none) Sep 01 11:49:48 konttori: well, the generated JIT compiler currently slows down most programs Sep 01 11:50:02 konttori: in order to port it to arm, you need to write a new code generator for the target Sep 01 11:50:30 unfortunately, llvm doesnt offer the necessary features to fit into the architecture of the result of the partial evaluated program Sep 01 11:51:55 ahh.. that's sad Sep 01 11:53:27 so, basically JIT is out of the question for now for ARM devices Sep 01 11:55:09 * pupnik perks up Sep 01 11:56:06 xorAxAx: how do you know so much about JIT? Sep 01 11:57:53 pupnik: hmm? Sep 01 11:58:00 pupnik: as i said, i have worked on pypy Sep 01 11:58:15 kulve: ping Sep 01 11:58:41 dosbox on arm needs assembler hackers for the JIT implementation Sep 01 11:58:58 kulve: have you tried to use DSPlib ? Sep 01 12:00:18 kulve: you should try replace speex FIR calling fir2 from DSPLib, only create a header and the define for override like in filters_sse.h Sep 01 12:00:35 I will try it later Sep 01 12:06:02 AD-N770: no, I haven't tried it.. Sep 01 12:08:04 AD-N770: I rewrote the "Setup the toolchain" chapter Sep 01 13:05:19 Is ther any Brazilian here? Sep 01 13:07:10 <`0660> is it enough to live in brazil? or are you only looking for people with citizenship? Sep 01 13:08:51 No, it doesn't matter, actually Sep 01 13:09:47 <`0660> how about if a person has the citizenship but doesn't actually live in brazil? :) Sep 01 13:09:56 Sounds good Sep 01 13:14:48 Hello Sep 01 13:14:49 <_Monkey> bonjour, sujan Sep 01 13:15:10 can u tell me please how to make debian? Sep 01 13:15:48 i am trying last 3 days but can't Sep 01 13:15:49 <`0660> you want to make debian? Sep 01 13:15:53 ya Sep 01 13:15:57