**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 04 02:59:56 2007 Sep 04 04:19:11 good morning Sep 04 04:39:11 hey kagu media player is pretty damned cool Sep 04 04:40:08 inertia scrolling is more fun than i expected Sep 04 04:44:27 setite you new to maemo? Sep 04 04:45:42 hey, do you know how to import cert file to the n800/770 from the shell? Sep 04 04:45:47 bye Sep 04 05:16:14 setite, the log in issues for gizmo forum, change your password and it will fix the problem. Sep 04 05:16:29 change it where Sep 04 05:16:30 <_Monkey> setite: that doesn't look right Sep 04 05:16:32 on gizmo Sep 04 05:16:37 yes Sep 04 05:16:43 new to maemo? Sep 04 05:16:52 huh _Monkey Sep 04 05:16:53 <_Monkey> i am an annoying bot Sep 04 05:17:08 you sort the problems out Sep 04 05:17:56 well, going to post the issues on the forum and see if sharon has fixes for them Sep 04 05:18:23 password change has to be done from the client Sep 04 05:21:19 how do i change my password Sep 04 05:21:36 Stanley, I'm sorry to hear that you're unable to log in to the Gizmo Project support forum. There is an issue with the database that services the forum that prevents accounts created after a certain date from logging in. To fix this, log in to your account with Gizmo Project or GizmoCall.com to change your password. Once the password on your account is changed, your account record on the forum will be updated and you'll be able to use the Sep 04 05:21:36 forum. If you prefer the original password, you're welcome to change it back after the record updates. If you are still unable to login, enter your password in all lowercase letters. Sep 04 05:21:39 sorry Sep 04 05:22:03 hmmm Sep 04 05:22:07 go with lower case Sep 04 05:22:15 i just changed it and still didn't work Sep 04 05:23:51 lowercase worked.. Sep 04 05:24:02 no cap letters Sep 04 05:25:08 i got it with new password Sep 04 05:26:00 now i logged out.. changed my password back to the old one and logged in again :) Sep 04 05:27:34 with caps? Sep 04 05:27:51 i never use caps :) Sep 04 05:28:04 ok. Sep 04 05:28:19 i like the smell of mink oil Sep 04 05:28:28 hopefully this person sharon has a fix for this. Sep 04 05:28:38 what router do you have setite? Sep 04 05:28:48 ummmm Sep 04 05:28:57 the new 240mhz buffalo Sep 04 05:29:03 ummm... g125 i think is the model Sep 04 05:29:12 runnign dd-wrt right? Sep 04 05:29:13 same firmware as you Sep 04 05:29:14 ya Sep 04 05:29:34 the firewall on the router is on Sep 04 05:29:37 ? Sep 04 05:29:44 always Sep 04 05:30:14 whats the security on for wireless set.. Sep 04 05:30:26 to Sep 04 05:30:39 i'm using wpa2 Sep 04 05:31:13 I made a call to the chatline...and i heard sound. Sep 04 05:31:19 me too Sep 04 05:31:29 chatline Sep 04 05:31:40 the call to you now is a different story Sep 04 05:31:45 i don't get sound Sep 04 05:35:25 setite, call the chatline Sep 04 05:35:37 k Sep 04 05:36:00 how Sep 04 05:36:15 you should see it in the contacts Sep 04 05:36:38 i dont see it Sep 04 05:36:52 its called partyline Sep 04 05:37:18 odd Sep 04 05:37:26 i see it on my call log.. but not my contacts Sep 04 05:40:02 im there Sep 04 05:40:38 i her you Sep 04 05:40:50 i wonder if something is wrong with my mic Sep 04 05:40:50 i cannot hear Sep 04 05:40:52 lol Sep 04 05:40:54 i think i hear you typing Sep 04 05:41:03 beta is screwed on my n800 Sep 04 05:41:14 well i see you Sep 04 05:41:18 got your cam o ut Sep 04 05:41:24 i mwan hear you Sep 04 05:41:49 yea my own video is not showing Sep 04 05:41:52 so vid wont work Sep 04 05:42:13 odd that you cant hear me Sep 04 05:42:17 yeah Sep 04 05:42:21 does that indicate a problem on your side or mine Sep 04 05:42:45 problem with my install Sep 04 05:42:55 until you try it out with someone else. Sep 04 05:43:00 we won't know for sure Sep 04 05:43:12 well skype worked... so it might be a safe assumption Sep 04 05:43:47 its definitely the new version running on my tablet. Sep 04 05:44:40 i can hear sound from the pc version Sep 04 05:47:49 from the forum Sep 04 05:47:50 So since you have only one way audio with all Gizmo to Gizmo, where you cannot hear them, that indicates that you are not properly receiving the audio stream to your device/client. Please ensure your following inbound ports are open in order to receive this audio stream. You can also experiment bypassing your firewall by connecting your computer directly into the the DSL/Cable modem or placing the IP of your Computer/Device in the DMZ config of Sep 04 05:48:17 i want to make sure your forwarding the right ip Sep 04 05:48:38 your checking your tables to see what ip is assigned to the nokia then setting that ip as the forwarded ip? Sep 04 05:48:45 you know an idea Sep 04 05:48:51 put your nokia in the DMZ Sep 04 05:48:56 thats a good idea Sep 04 05:49:02 nokia should be safe from intrusion right Sep 04 05:49:22 um Sep 04 05:49:26 not really Sep 04 05:49:29 not at all Sep 04 05:49:31 it uses wireless and bluetooth Sep 04 05:49:43 well he shouldnt have to worry for this Sep 04 05:49:43 given that it has a default well known root password Sep 04 05:49:44 no Sep 04 05:49:51 it can't be my router Sep 04 05:49:52 and that at times the xserver listed to all ip addresses Sep 04 05:49:52 simply testing to see if the problem is the routing Sep 04 05:50:03 the gizmo i have installed on the notebook works fine Sep 04 05:50:14 unique311: does gizmo do STUN? Sep 04 05:50:16 im assuming he changed the root password Sep 04 05:50:30 setite: you're assuming the rest of the platform is secure Sep 04 05:50:40 i'm only naming the two bugs i know offhand in that logic Sep 04 05:50:45 I don't do dmz Sep 04 05:50:47 there could easily be others Sep 04 05:50:55 thats out of the question. Sep 04 05:50:59 im assuming that he can put it outside the dmz for a period of 10 minutes wihtout worrying about all hell breaking loose ot see if its the routing Sep 04 05:51:00 i have the correct ip. Sep 04 05:51:13 ok then... assume its the nokia then Sep 04 05:51:21 setite, if it was the router Sep 04 05:51:36 setite: technically iirc in the past w9x boxes would be rooted in under 10mins of exposure Sep 04 05:51:40 not sure if that's still the case today Sep 04 05:51:44 gizmo running on my notebook would have the same issues Sep 04 05:51:49 it was definitely one of the cooler features of the interweb Sep 04 05:51:56 and the older version of gizmo works fine on the table. Sep 04 05:51:57 t Sep 04 05:51:58 timelyx you've proven your point.. moving on Sep 04 05:52:18 timelyx Sep 04 05:52:18 <_Monkey> somebody said timelyx was timelyx's mac, it has scrollback Sep 04 05:52:25 do you have gizmo installed Sep 04 05:52:26 ? Sep 04 05:52:31 yes Sep 04 05:52:39 but my wifi point changed its password Sep 04 05:52:41 can you contact me. Sep 04 05:52:42 and i don't know it :) Sep 04 05:52:50 ok Sep 04 05:53:07 i intend to fix it after my vacation which starts at the end of the week and lasts for a month Sep 04 05:53:12 * timelyx sucks Sep 04 05:53:12 then again setite it might be on your side. Sep 04 05:53:25 not recieving voice Sep 04 05:53:58 well going by the gizmo mods if im getting you but your not getting my audio... then its a port issue Sep 04 05:54:09 i got audio and voice from you and you got video from me Sep 04 05:54:44 5060 Sep 04 05:54:47 sip port Sep 04 05:55:01 maybe i should open that up for my n800 Sep 04 05:55:33 Gizmo Project uses the following port numbers: Sep 04 05:55:33 Incoming UDP port 5005 (RTCP - Real Time Control Protocol) Sep 04 05:55:33 Incoming UDP port 64064 (Gizmo default for SIP messaging) Sep 04 05:55:33 Incoming UDP port 5004 (Gizmo default for RTP traffic (the actual voice messages) Sep 04 05:55:34 Outgoing TCP port 7070 (SRS relay and Jabber protocol) Sep 04 05:55:36 All outgoing UDP ports above 1023 Sep 04 05:56:23 i have those forwarded already Sep 04 05:59:29 i know you do.. as do i Sep 04 05:59:44 ah well.. i would say try calling someone else Sep 04 06:01:05 beta software, no one is using besides a couple of people from ITT Sep 04 06:01:38 but then again i did try it with another individual from ITT and it i wasn't getting audio Sep 04 06:02:32 going to try the dmz troubleshoot Sep 04 06:02:34 in a few Sep 04 06:02:59 have to post this segfault error i recieve when it crashes. Sep 04 06:04:23 well according to everyone else you might not want to do that since your nokia will get rooted Sep 04 06:04:25 mwuhahaha Sep 04 06:06:06 ok, so it gets rooted. Sep 04 06:06:25 when i place it back inside the safe zone, i don't have to worry do i? Sep 04 06:08:53 i honestly cant see a handheld getting rooted over wifi in 10 minutes Sep 04 06:09:06 but thats me... im a windows guy so im not as paranoid as linux folk Sep 04 06:09:28 going to call you Sep 04 06:09:55 no sound Sep 04 06:10:00 can you hear me? Sep 04 06:10:03 i hear you lound and choppy Sep 04 06:10:27 ill go dmz too Sep 04 06:10:31 no sound. Sep 04 06:11:00 i hear sound on the party line Sep 04 06:11:45 i hear sound oo Sep 04 06:11:52 <`0660> /away Sep 04 06:11:54 are you in dmz? Sep 04 06:12:01 going to call you. Sep 04 06:12:10 someone was in there.. haha Sep 04 06:12:31 setite: i'm mostly opposed to giving bad generic advice. Sep 04 06:12:40 uh huh ok Sep 04 06:12:46 yea i hear nothing at all now Sep 04 06:12:52 i think im dmz Sep 04 06:12:53 speak Sep 04 06:12:54 never tried it Sep 04 06:13:01 say somehting Sep 04 06:13:10 i hear you Sep 04 06:13:18 i dont hear you now Sep 04 06:13:19 what did you do Sep 04 06:13:20 haha Sep 04 06:13:24 lol Sep 04 06:13:28 this is strange Sep 04 06:13:35 ok Sep 04 06:13:40 this is fucking annoying Sep 04 06:15:53 k, i'm back in the safe zone. Sep 04 06:16:31 you using irc on the nokia or pc Sep 04 06:16:38 notebook Sep 04 06:16:43 or is n800 the nick for your n800 Sep 04 06:17:01 i just registered the n800 nick for the heck of it.. Sep 04 06:17:09 irc on my notebook. Sep 04 06:17:28 i gotta go to bed soon Sep 04 06:17:35 got any ideas to try out? Sep 04 06:17:39 i get sound now Sep 04 06:17:46 and i dont Sep 04 06:17:52 one last call Sep 04 06:21:02 i hear you Sep 04 06:21:07 not sure you can hear me Sep 04 06:21:08 i heard you too Sep 04 06:21:13 the video is fucking it up i think Sep 04 06:21:16 pull your cam out Sep 04 06:21:21 look at the clock Sep 04 06:21:25 its not counting smoothly Sep 04 06:21:30 its freezing alot Sep 04 06:22:18 is your wifi signal low Sep 04 06:22:40 i almost had a smooth sentence Sep 04 06:23:00 noo Sep 04 06:23:10 aidio is really bad Sep 04 06:23:10 no you cant hear me or cant understand Sep 04 06:23:16 yea what abotu video Sep 04 06:23:23 on my end audio and video from you are shite Sep 04 06:23:34 not sure whayt i'm looking at Sep 04 06:23:38 and the timer keeps locking up proving that this isnt stead Sep 04 06:23:43 your lookeing at my wall Sep 04 06:24:11 i see a picture Sep 04 06:24:20 but cannot make it out Sep 04 06:24:59 wtf is going on wiht this... i mean they mentioned needing to optimize but this is ridiculous Sep 04 06:25:03 lemme try something.. dont hang up Sep 04 06:25:25 argh i said dont hang up Sep 04 06:25:36 k Sep 04 06:26:24 stuck at 2 second Sep 04 06:26:27 did the call sync Sep 04 06:26:29 ok there Sep 04 06:34:44 did you hang up Sep 04 06:35:29 no Sep 04 06:35:36 skype is frozen. Sep 04 07:54:12 Morning, all Sep 04 08:29:48 good morning Sep 04 08:40:56 hi Sep 04 08:41:18 Anyone know where the Sofia SIP guys hang out? Sep 04 08:59:12 hi can anyone tell me how to wipe the memory on an n800? Sep 04 08:59:24 quick solution - I'm selling it Sep 04 09:01:01 reflash? Sep 04 09:04:29 hmm suppose so Sep 04 09:04:35 didn't work when I last tried Sep 04 09:04:53 Should do. You'll have to format the memory card too Sep 04 09:09:41 thx Sep 04 09:54:24 What audio codecs are supported in Sofia SIP? Sep 04 09:57:24 dneary: the rtcomm beta? Sep 04 09:57:25 dneary: I got it to work with ulaw at least when hooking it up to an Asterisk. Sep 04 09:57:36 dneary: But not researched further. Sep 04 09:57:47 dneary: whatever ones are there in gstreamer, otoh it's ulaw, alaw, iLBC and G.729 Sep 04 09:57:49 Robot101: Maybe? Sep 04 09:57:54 The one that's been released Sep 04 09:58:09 well it's just a SIP stack, it doesn't have any media stuff Sep 04 09:58:14 Robot101: Sounds right. Sep 04 09:58:14 Robot101: So there's GPL G729 code in there? Sep 04 09:58:21 (sofia sip, the library) Sep 04 09:58:21 And iLBC? Sep 04 09:58:23 dneary: hmm, doubt it. Sep 04 09:58:30 no, they're proprietary plugins Sep 04 09:58:35 Veggen: That's kind of what I was wondering about Sep 04 09:58:36 actually, based on the DSP Sep 04 09:59:00 Looking for some GPL compatible G729, G723.1 and G722 code, and iLBC to boot if I can get it Sep 04 09:59:05 dneary: I settled for ulaw for now, because I haven't got iLBC/G729 on my Asterisk-server. Sep 04 09:59:10 but farsight should pick up any usable sets of encoder/decoder/payloader/depayloader you have installed in gstreamer Sep 04 09:59:37 Looks like I'm chasing a holy grail Sep 04 09:59:43 iLBC has a reference implementation under a GPL-incompatible license, and various proprietary implementations Sep 04 09:59:54 Robot101: I know Sep 04 09:59:54 G.729 I don't really know but it seems very unlikely Sep 04 09:59:58 lots of patents around Sep 04 10:00:02 So does G729 and G723.1 :) Sep 04 10:00:33 I don't know about G722 - someone told me that's another name for AMR-WB Sep 04 10:00:40 But that doesn't wound right Sep 04 10:02:40 most people who claim to support these things in free s/w are probably breaking at least some licenses if not some patents too Sep 04 10:04:26 Ah - "A more recent variant, G.722.2, also known as AMR-WB ("Adaptive Multirate Wideband"), offers even lower bit-rate compressions, as well as the ability to quickly adapt to varying compressions as the network topography mutates." <- From wikipedia Sep 04 10:04:44 Robot: I'd prefer to infringe patents than break licences Sep 04 10:05:05 You can probably argue that an exception for iLBC is warranted, since it's so widespread Sep 04 10:05:57 But there's no reason that we (!) couldn't write an LGPL implementation of G729 without licencing the patents (and let the chips fall where they may) Sep 04 10:06:03 morning Sep 04 10:06:04 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 04 10:06:32 It seems to be a choice - valid patent licence or free software licence, but not both Sep 04 10:12:36 hi I can't get the updater to work on my N800 :( Sep 04 10:12:55 what could I be doing wrong? my N800 shows the usb logo top right, but the updater says it can't find it Sep 04 10:13:52 the update procedure is retarded :( Sep 04 10:16:25 does it need to be a nokia usb cable or will any do? Sep 04 10:18:16 IRCFrEAK: any cable should work...have you removed the memory cards? Sep 04 10:18:37 yes Sep 04 10:18:48 I'm just reinstalling the updater to see if that works Sep 04 10:19:46 you are using that windows app? Sep 04 10:20:27 yeah Sep 04 10:20:33 it didn't seem to install any USB driver Sep 04 10:21:58 ok, no experience with that, but with linux flasher you have to boot the device with home key pressed Sep 04 10:22:22 yeah done that here Sep 04 10:22:31 is the linux flasher likely to work on mac? Sep 04 10:22:46 well, yes Sep 04 10:22:52 there is a mac version Sep 04 10:23:30 it was an old version, but it works with OS2007 too Sep 04 10:24:13 only seems to be for PPC Mac Sep 04 10:24:22 doesn't matter Sep 04 10:24:30 really? Sep 04 10:25:06 well I have used that Sep 04 10:25:11 ah cool ok, Sep 04 10:43:38 cool it worked. Thanks :) Sep 04 11:51:34 so, I uploaded my latest version of Kagu to garage.maemo.org. How do I make sure that it gets out to maemo.org/downloads? Sep 04 11:52:04 I don't see it in the repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/gregale/free/k/kagu/ Sep 04 12:00:06 nm. looks like I need an upload account. Sep 04 12:08:13 thanks for posting that - i'm curious about the howto on that Sep 04 12:26:52 hi :P Sep 04 12:35:01 howdy Sep 04 12:35:01 <_Monkey> hey, erstazi Sep 04 12:38:04 hi pupnik_ Sep 04 13:00:30 * pupnik ponders Sep 04 13:01:24 Does anybody know if there's something weird in the N800 audio plug's mic-connector? Sep 04 13:01:52 <`0660> i didn't even know it existed :) Sep 04 13:02:14 I made an adapter which splits the 4-pole jack to two inputs for input and output. The output works fine, but the input still comes from the internal microphone Sep 04 13:02:30 `0660: Its in the headphone plug Sep 04 13:02:38 It's Sep 04 13:02:44 <`0660> do you think it's supported? Sep 04 13:02:56 It works with the headset that comes with the device Sep 04 13:03:02 <`0660> oh Sep 04 13:03:04 And I made the adapter out of a headset Sep 04 13:03:11 <`0660> cool :) Sep 04 13:03:41 i tore into the 770 package so fast i don't remember what was in it Sep 04 13:03:50 Oh, btw, free advice to everybody: Never by a Coldheat soldering iron! Sep 04 13:04:00 ok? Sep 04 13:42:40 anyone know of a way to force the n800 to use a certificate for a wlan netwoek? Sep 04 13:42:47 network* Sep 04 13:43:01 the certificate comes with the n800 Sep 04 13:43:20 but for some reason, the Server Certificate dropdown is blank Sep 04 13:43:24 when connecting Sep 04 13:49:45 Does anyone know a good eletronic component store in Helsinki? Sep 04 14:14:44 cool picture Sep 04 14:14:47 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=73120&posted=1#post73120 Sep 04 14:14:51 javafx mobile Sep 04 14:15:37 Source? Sep 04 14:15:37 <_Monkey> i heard Source was there Sep 04 14:15:46 _Monkey: source is Sep 04 14:15:47 <_Monkey> ...but source is there... Sep 04 14:15:52 _Monkey: no, source is Sep 04 14:15:53 <_Monkey> ...but source is there... Sep 04 14:15:54 Jazelle...? Sep 04 14:15:54 <_Monkey> jazelle is a hardware extension for some ARM processors (like the one in the N800) that allows direct bytecode execution Sep 04 14:16:22 * celesteh ears perk up Sep 04 14:16:26 How do we stop the bot from replying like that? Sep 04 14:16:28 java on the n800? Sep 04 14:16:46 lardman: done. Sep 04 14:16:53 Source? Sep 04 14:16:56 see :) Sep 04 14:16:59 cool :) Sep 04 14:17:22 is there working java lurking in a repository someplace? Sep 04 14:17:22 Would be better to have him reply after a tilde Sep 04 14:17:43 celesteh: Yes, see the page linked from that post Sep 04 14:18:08 w00t Sep 04 14:18:16 It's been around for ages Sep 04 14:18:25 I presume the GUI bindings are still dodgy Sep 04 14:18:37 Certainly used to work fine for command line stuff Sep 04 14:18:47 source on the website.. Sep 04 14:19:09 but its for openjfx not sure if thats the same as javafx mobile Sep 04 14:19:37 oh, this is not a repository that can be accessed via, say, application manager Sep 04 14:19:54 this is the command line only thing. Sep 04 14:19:56 alas Sep 04 14:20:18 I want to run my GUI java apps on my N800. one day . . . Sep 04 14:20:23 https://openjfx.dev.java.net/source/browse/openjfx/ Sep 04 14:20:23 * celesteh goes back to lurking Sep 04 14:20:38 celesteh: I may be wrong, I only wanted command line, the GUI stuff may have moved on Sep 04 14:20:43 on ITT some guy is saying in a couple of days.. Sep 04 14:21:15 i downloaded this a few weeks ago. so if it's advanced, it's really alpha Sep 04 14:22:01 Is it possible to obtain the binary of Esmertec�s Jbed (cldc/cdc) JVM? Sep 04 14:22:12 I see that implements Jazelle acceleration Sep 04 14:22:21 and that it's used in mobile phone handsets Sep 04 14:22:58 lardman: i think one of the free ones figured out jazelle support Sep 04 14:23:08 lardman: can't remember which though Sep 04 14:23:15 robtaylor: Really?! Sep 04 14:24:04 so does anyone know how to assign certificates to wlan networks? Sep 04 14:24:20 I have the cert, and it's marked trusted Sep 04 14:24:29 but it doesn't come up in the dropdown Sep 04 14:24:43 I thought the n800 supported WPA2 Sep 04 14:25:15 i just want to run a couple of .jar apps, like i run certain flash programs.. Sep 04 14:25:43 tried jalimo, but i'm no good at command line. Sep 04 14:26:17 heard mono was a good alternative that does java. Sep 04 14:26:31 but couldn't get that going also. Sep 04 14:26:54 lardman: i may have just imagined it =) Sep 04 14:27:07 I LOVE MY N800!!! Sep 04 14:27:12 sorry, just had to say it. Sep 04 14:27:36 robtaylor: I think you might of, I had a pretty good look a few weeks back Sep 04 14:28:08 ysss: :p Sep 04 14:30:26 keesj: i've had it for a couple of weeks and i'm still in awe... Sep 04 14:30:39 just updated to Claws 3.0 .. anyone using that? Sep 04 14:31:07 how's it working for you? Sep 04 14:32:31 very nice, but i'm missing the split-view layouts. I want to split folder view + message view. Sep 04 14:33:16 Have you used it? Do you know how to set that? Sep 04 14:33:57 lardman: http://www.jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=news:linuxtag2007 might help someone though (slide 34) Sep 04 14:35:08 That's what we started out with Sep 04 14:35:15 I've done a fair bit since then Sep 04 14:35:47 But still don;t know what needs to be setup before entering jazelle mode Sep 04 14:36:00 hence the wondering if there are any binary jvms that use Jazelle Sep 04 14:37:48 hmm, doesn't look like mobile phones do flash upgrades Sep 04 14:37:50 shame Sep 04 14:38:34 ysss: no, no Sep 04 14:40:22 lardman: I'd gues all thats needed is an interrupt handler to switch back Sep 04 14:41:05 robtaylor: Yes and no, there are other things that look like they need to be setup Sep 04 14:41:05 pupnik: ok Sep 04 14:41:29 robtaylor: We're also not sure which registers to pass the addresses in, and indeed the form of the undefined bytecode handler table Sep 04 14:41:50 robtaylor: Take a look at the maemo-dev list and do a search for Jazelle Sep 04 14:43:10 microb was really a missing link Sep 04 14:43:13 pupnik, pcsx2 running on the desktop fps steady at 25 Sep 04 14:43:28 epsxe runs really nice. Sep 04 14:44:19 i think epsxe was the best psx emu on pc when i was trying them out.. Sep 04 14:44:23 cool... i haven't gotten the new GPU engine integrated into pcsx yet Sep 04 14:44:28 agree epsxe best for linux Sep 04 14:44:31 but until i can get my hand on pcsx2 0.9.4 the final fantasy games will not be able to play Sep 04 14:45:10 i play ffix on epsxe - there's only a couple of spots where i have to switch to pcsx to get past problem areas Sep 04 14:45:35 i played it yesterday, memories. Sep 04 14:45:40 i really like that game Sep 04 14:46:10 scummvm <- memories Sep 04 14:46:11 yeah it's solid all around. great soundtrack, amazing scenery Sep 04 14:46:27 lardman: tb, its best not to look at someone else's implementation. You'll almost be certain to have to clcik though a no-RE clause Sep 04 14:46:58 lardman: figureing it out teh slow way at least leaves you less open to legal recourse Sep 04 14:47:32 robtaylor: yeah, just sort of stuck now unfortunately Sep 04 14:48:05 robtaylor: I'll have another fiddle with it when I get bored, or if some more info gets released - I should do some more paper/patent hunting really Sep 04 14:48:29 time for some caffeine Sep 04 14:50:06 lardman|afk: i'd guess the unhandled bytecode handler would look very much like an unhandled instruction handler Sep 04 14:50:34 lardman|afk: seed the interupt table with some useful debugging :) Sep 04 14:51:38 robtaylor: Well the unhandled ARM instruction handler is a vector table, this will presumably be similar, but the question is where it should be in memory, and whether the ARM side handles the jumping into the table, or if the Jazelle code jumpt directly Sep 04 14:51:55 hi Sep 04 14:51:59 I have a GtkButton with an image in it setting up by gtk_button_set_image. If relief is none, the button looks good at normal state but when I select or press it, it has borders, Can you help me not to have borders at all? Sep 04 14:52:39 pupnik any news on mtpaint? Sep 04 14:53:10 robtaylor: the other problem is that the actual branch to Jazelle mode instruction behaves curiously - the instruction pointer seems to run on a long long way past any probable valid Java bytecodes Sep 04 14:53:34