**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 10 02:59:57 2007 Sep 10 04:39:35 how can i put os2007 on my n770 from windows? I dont have a linux box that I can use to upgrade the n770.. Sep 10 07:02:50 Anyone tried http://www.opendns.com/ ? Sep 10 07:32:43 Hi, the touch screen event is converted to mouse event under N800, does it do this via tslib? Sep 10 07:47:33 Morning, all Sep 10 08:19:52 * Jaffa gives up on arguing with texrat Sep 10 08:40:06 hi ho Sep 10 08:58:40 eat more fruits and vegetables Sep 10 08:59:56 morning Sep 10 08:59:56 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 10 09:04:34 good morning lardman !!!!!!!!! But here is good evening. Sep 10 09:08:16 Hi Test_ Sep 10 09:08:25 It's always morning Sep 10 09:08:27 ~ugt Sep 10 09:08:28 rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Sep 10 09:10:44 ok Sep 10 09:17:27 heh excellent lardman :) is infobot yours? Sep 10 09:17:34 Would it be difficult to port a dyndns-updater for maemo? Sep 10 09:18:41 pyhimys, I would guess trivial Sep 10 09:18:47 pyhimys: no, i guess, it's easy as you wrote it Sep 10 09:19:17 Have to try it when I get home Sep 10 09:19:36 I'm trying out the opendns Sep 10 09:19:47 it looks nice Sep 10 09:21:19 pupnik: No not mine Sep 10 09:22:36 i think it could be used to adblock quite easely Sep 10 10:42:51 good morning Sep 10 10:51:37 lo florian Sep 10 11:01:55 hi florian Sep 10 11:35:38 morning Sep 10 11:35:39 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 10 11:36:28 Lardman would you like to tell me how can i write a compressed image file to buffer without writing to a file. Sep 10 11:36:51 is there any other email clients besides the one included in OS2007 or Clawsmail?? Sep 10 11:37:39 robl^, there's modest, but I dunno if it's usable or not: http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ Sep 10 11:38:57 inz: thanks. the default app just doesn't gut it with multiple accounts.. Claws is still a bit too quirky -- so I will check out modest. Sep 10 11:39:26 robl^, the default just doesn't gut it, period. Sep 10 11:39:31 i kind of like the claws ui. not that i've had great luck configuring it Sep 10 11:40:09 CLaws wouldn't download but maybe 50 IMAP messages.. even though the account had over 300 Sep 10 11:40:12 I have successfully tried out claws, but it was only for testing, so I haven't used it over any longer period of time Sep 10 11:40:57 Test_: With jpeg still? Sep 10 11:41:29 Test_: From my quick read of the source, you are supposed to handle the output by giving a number of callback routines Sep 10 11:41:47 Test_: The output from the jpeg decompressor 'engine', which is abstracted away from the user Sep 10 11:41:54 robl^: there's my Sylpheed port, but it's even more quirky than Claws (Claws came along and stole my thunder) Sep 10 11:42:32 Test_: The source supplied the stdout output code, which allows one to open a file and write to that handle, all you need to do is copy that code and instead of opening and writing to a file, write to a buffer Sep 10 11:43:02 We just need Thunderbird ported ;-) Sep 10 11:43:32 bergie: ping Sep 10 11:43:36 :) Sep 10 11:43:42 pong Sep 10 11:44:05 bergie: query? Sep 10 11:45:32 Lard man then i no need to use "jpeg_stdio_dest(&cinfo, outfile);" ? Sep 10 11:45:43 Right? Sep 10 11:46:10 Test_: Correct, you need to provide your own jpeg_buffer_dest() function I imagine Sep 10 11:46:31 Test_: Which does much the same as that stdio one - I'm assuming that's one of the callbacks? Sep 10 11:47:59 stdio and _dest both take "FILE * outfile" Sep 10 11:49:19 jpeg_stdio_dest(&cinfo, outfile); Sep 10 11:51:15 Test_: Have you read the section about "Destination managers" in the libjpeg.doc file in the source tarball? Sep 10 11:51:35 Test_: The full section title is "Compressed data handling (source and destination managers)" Sep 10 11:53:04 ya. But i don get anything to output to buffer without wring to outfile Sep 10 11:53:30 to write output to buffer Sep 10 11:57:36 Test_: I've just had another look at djpeg.c Sep 10 11:58:06 Test_: You may get away with just altering stuff in the while loop at L582 Sep 10 11:58:34 Test_: cinfo exists, but you want to do without a dest_mgr Sep 10 11:59:18 Test_: It looks like the jpeg_read_scanlines() function copies data from the JPEG internal buffer (which you could access directly as it's in cinfo I think) to some buffer Sep 10 12:00:07 Test_: I'd see what this function does, how it signals the JPEG engine that it's taken the data (i.e. updating a pointer) and do this yourself Sep 10 12:00:25 Test_: The pointer being in the cinfo struct I imagine Sep 10 12:00:34 ya Sep 10 12:01:49 but before _start_compress i must do " jpeg_stdio_dest(&cinfo, outfile);" Sep 10 12:01:50 Test_: example.c looks even better - it has a function called read_JPEG_file() which looks like it reads it into a buffer Sep 10 12:02:12 Test_: No, you don;t need to setup the destination manager Sep 10 12:02:15 ya i m working with example.c Sep 10 12:02:36 well it does what you want Sep 10 12:02:38 no output file Sep 10 12:02:43 ya Sep 10 12:02:47 I'd not seen that before as I only had a quick look Sep 10 12:03:23 can you tell me please how can i do it. Sep 10 12:03:59 it's in that function in example.c Sep 10 12:04:44 but in example.c there is no other way without initializing " jpeg_stdio_dest(&cinfo, outfile);" Sep 10 12:05:30 That occurs in a function named write_JPEG_file() Sep 10 12:05:48 I thought you wanted to decompress JPEGS? Sep 10 12:06:08 nooooooo. i want to compress Sep 10 12:08:00 gtg Sep 10 12:08:05 bye Sep 10 12:08:07 bye Sep 10 12:29:00 * pupnik feeds the pipeline with a hamburger Sep 10 12:46:03 kulve: hey! =) Sep 10 12:46:18 hey Sep 10 12:51:48 Hello, people. :) Sep 10 12:52:02 Good evening. Sep 10 12:52:47 evening?!?!? I'm still working on my morning coffee Sep 10 12:55:31 Well, 15:00h in Spain... let's say "good day" :P Sep 10 12:57:12 07:56 here. ;-) Darn internets connecting people from around the tiny planet Sep 10 12:59:23 Let's boycott the intertubes Sep 10 13:03:42 Is this channel/room multilanguage or English is the only one allowed language? :) Sep 10 13:07:09 your chances of getting help are best with english, but there is no prohibition on other languages Sep 10 13:57:02 Thanks for your reply, pupnik_. Sep 10 13:59:57 This is weird. I haven't had trouble with maemo for a while Sep 10 14:03:42 =) Sep 10 14:11:00 derf: Another annoying ogg question for you ;) Sep 10 14:11:46 derf: The number of channels and samplerate data are contained in the vorbis headers aren't they? Sep 10 14:12:10 derf: I ask because they are referenced from both vf and vi, and I was trying to work out why Sep 10 14:19:05 lardman: Yes, they're contained in the first header. Sep 10 14:20:09 derf: Thanks Sep 10 14:20:20 Yer welcome. Sep 10 14:42:13 derf: Another one - if a mid-stream packet is not audio, what is the decoder supposed to do? Sep 10 14:42:43 derf: I could either ignore it, or reset the decoder Sep 10 14:44:30 lardman: If it has the same serial number as the current stream, then it is an error. Sep 10 14:44:58 derf: So in either case I'd need to reset the decoder Sep 10 14:45:01 derf: Good Sep 10 14:45:04 If it has a new serial number, then it's a chain boundary, and you reset the decoder. Sep 10 14:47:23 what are you guys decoding? ogg in dsp? Sep 10 14:47:30 yeah, writing some code Sep 10 14:47:39 nice :) Sep 10 14:47:55 we'll see, feels like I'm nearly there, but that means little ;) Sep 10 14:48:04 so i take it ogg doesn't have information frames in the stream? Sep 10 14:48:19 the first 3 packets contain the decoder info Sep 10 14:48:41 all audio packets after that contain data, that thankfully I don't fiddle with - it's used by the decoder Sep 10 14:48:50 by information i meant something user-supplied. like change the song title mid-stream, change the image, sync'ed lyrics (id3 has them?) Sep 10 14:49:13 no, I think they are all in the second packet Sep 10 14:49:15 though i guess id3thingy filters them before the decoder Sep 10 14:49:36 but derf knows about ogg vorbis, I just decided it would be a useful thing to hack at on the dsp Sep 10 14:49:55 can mp3s have extra data part way through? Sep 10 14:50:17 id3 supports them, so i'm guessing yeah Sep 10 14:50:24 oh right Sep 10 14:50:37 * lardman has to pop out for a bit, back soon Sep 10 14:50:52 never written any code to support that though :) Sep 10 14:51:17 disq: Ogg supports chained files, which allow you to change anything (sample rate, number of channels, metadata) at chain boundaries. Sep 10 14:51:29 ah Sep 10 14:51:55 If you want to embed lyrics, Annodex has a CMML spec for that, but that requires a separate, non-Vorbis stream. Sep 10 14:52:04 Which only recent versions of libogg know enough to ignore. Sep 10 14:52:19 Recent versions of libvorbisfile, I mean. Sep 10 15:07:46 hi Sep 10 15:07:58 someone know some repository for gpsd? Sep 10 15:08:13 i try with maemo-hackers but not install Sep 10 15:09:17 and gpsdrive? what is the repository? Sep 10 15:09:24 i can't find it Sep 10 15:21:03 I'm still trying to get the af-init.sh script :P Sep 10 15:21:20 Ben vindo de novo, vivijim. ;P Sep 10 15:26:52 GS, any reason you're not just using maemomapper? Sep 10 15:30:08 kulve: You about? Sep 10 15:30:52 kulve: With Speex, in the allocation routines, did you pass task to them each time so that they knew where the pre-allocated data slab was? Sep 10 15:31:33 * lardman is wondering if there's some trick to get around this? Sep 10 15:34:52 * lardman also wonders why Carman is the only garage project to ever feature on the maemo.org page Sep 10 15:48:13 * pupnik_ just got the 770 set up to vnc to the PC in the basement, and control nvtv for tv-out leading to TV upstairs :) Sep 10 15:48:41 just need to use mplayer -display :0 Sep 10 15:52:20 lardman: ping Sep 10 15:53:53 lardman: it's just a global char array[FEW_KILOS]; and couple of global pointers to book keeping Sep 10 15:54:07 and it doesn't do free Sep 10 15:56:42 kulve: Does it use the dspgateway? Sep 10 15:57:26 kulve: if so, can one use global data? I thought it had to be pointed to by the task->udata pointer Sep 10 15:57:48 or contained within a struct that it points to Sep 10 15:58:02 hmm.. I actuallu have pointers to the global arrays in task->udata and I was wondering why I couldn't use them directly.. Sep 10 15:58:28 I didn't try to use them directly, I was just wondering Sep 10 15:58:39 yes, I have that too, arrays are declared as global static Sep 10 15:59:00 but the 'heap' must either be pointed at, or just global? Sep 10 15:59:32 s/'heap'/'heap' formed using the char array Sep 10 16:00:51 http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blogstuff/speex-dspgw-20070831.diff Sep 10 16:01:14 on line 151 I set the book keeping pointers Sep 10 16:01:32 178: I set the udata pointers to global arrays Sep 10 16:02:01 100: I define the arrays Sep 10 16:02:31 so actually they are not global but static. The pointers are global Sep 10 16:03:25 676: I "reserve" a peace of memory Sep 10 16:03:34 okay, and these global pointers must still be accessible presumably otherwise you'd need to pass a pointer to them Sep 10 16:04:09 line 623: extern pointers Sep 10 16:04:12 a pointer to them to the speex_alloc() routines that is Sep 10 16:04:45 yep, okay Sep 10 16:05:21 I wonder how this works? Does anyone know about memory layout/positioning of global data? Sep 10 16:40:31 someone use gpsdrive on maemo 0s6 n770? Sep 10 16:45:48 buenos dias Sep 10 16:46:16 Blacksitox, hola Sep 10 16:50:19 hola GS ¿Como estas? Sep 10 16:50:36 bien intentando meterle gpsdrive Sep 10 16:50:59 GS, ¿De donde eres? Sep 10 16:51:25 de andalucia Sep 10 16:52:34 vaya, GS tienes el .. ? n800 o 770 Sep 10 16:53:07 770 Sep 10 17:05:01 GS, quiero pillar un LD-3W o 1W, pero tengo una duda, donde viajo no hay inet, osea que como lo podría usar ? Sep 10 17:05:07 vamos, me refiero a usarlo con mapper Sep 10 17:05:19 igual podría trazar rutas y demas ? Sep 10 17:09:40 claro Sep 10 17:09:52 teniendo los mapas descargados Sep 10 17:10:25 yo asi lo uso bien Sep 10 17:10:36 descargo mapas y luego pues con el gps voy viendo donde estoy Sep 10 17:12:59 * saaib notice his 770 has been receibed by the repair center! Sep 10 17:13:08 s/receibed/received/ Sep 10 17:23:16 GS, bueno, gracias, y que mas le haz hecho a tu cacharro ? Sep 10 17:25:55 Blacksitox, kismet maemo-mapper aircrack y poco mas Sep 10 17:26:20 yo en el n800 no puedo instalar kismet :\ Sep 10 17:26:51 lo se, instale en el 770 el SO07HE y no podia Sep 10 17:26:51 jeje Sep 10 17:27:28 GS, instalaste SI2007HE en 770 sin ningun problema? Sep 10 17:27:40 sin ningun problema va bastante bien Sep 10 17:27:50 creo que mas rapido que SO06 Sep 10 17:28:01 solo que no disponia del kismet Sep 10 17:28:11 que era algo esencial para el uso que le voy a dar Sep 10 17:28:18 ahh y regresaste a la 2006 ? Sep 10 17:28:22 si Sep 10 17:28:29 GS, haz pensado en portar algo para maemo ? Sep 10 17:28:45 intente instalar los dos con el menuboot pero me lié y no lo consegui hacer arrancar Sep 10 17:29:16 Blacksitox, pues en cuanto me acomode, que llevo unos dias nada mas estaria bien Sep 10 17:29:27 netdiscover, empaquetar ettercap ... Sep 10 17:29:27 recién te lo haz pillado ? Sep 10 17:29:37 si hace 10 dias o asi Sep 10 17:30:11 yo quisiera portar algo, pero mi ingles es malo, y no entiendo mucho los howtos de la página de maemo Sep 10 17:30:28 no se ve muy dificil hacer un paquete Sep 10 17:30:32 todo es ponerse Sep 10 17:30:45 eso si intente instalar el gcc o el make y no me dejaba jeje Sep 10 17:30:57 siempre y cuando no requira cambios en la interfaz de usuario Sep 10 17:31:09 supongo que tendria que bajarme la herramienta de emulacion de ARM en el pc y ir impaquetando Sep 10 17:31:13 GS, quiero portar el rp-pppoe :P Sep 10 17:31:45 adelante ;) Sep 10 17:31:53 sip, mas adelante ;) Sep 10 17:32:06 saaib, has probado el gps en la 770? Sep 10 17:32:21 me ha llegado hoy jeje Sep 10 17:32:26 y estoy trasteando Sep 10 17:32:28 GS, cual ? Sep 10 17:32:32 que modelo Sep 10 17:34:26 uno generico de ebay me lo he pillado Sep 10 17:34:34 supongo ke cualquiera valdra no? Sep 10 17:34:35 jeje Sep 10 17:35:02 voy arriba a ver como va el gps Sep 10 17:37:04 GS, pues supongo que si, tu nos contarás, asi me pillo uno mas varato que el ld-3s Sep 10 17:37:13 ld-3w Sep 10 17:38:54 GS, no lo he probado todavia. estuve leyendo y preparando mi ambiente de desarrollo, para cuando estube listo mi 770 se jodio y la pantalla dejo de funcionar Sep 10 17:39:19 la mande al servicio de reparacion de nokia y hoy la han recibido, asi que espero que pronto la arreglen y la manden de regreso Sep 10 17:40:08 habla korv och surstr�mming Sep 10 17:41:23 http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/10/new-gp2x-system-in-development/ <- hmm, interesting. same screen rez as the 770 and N800, linux. whats the chance of it getting og having microb out of the box? Sep 10 17:42:47 saaib, joder y que le ha pasado ? Sep 10 17:42:55 o haciendo que cosa ? Sep 10 17:43:09 Blacksitox: en g�ng s�g jag en liten f�gel Sep 10 17:43:26 habla inglese Sep 10 17:45:25 el gps con memo-mapepr va muy bien Sep 10 17:45:36 GS: en natt hade jag tratt som hatt Sep 10 17:45:51 aaa metal slug with xmame on 770 work slowly Sep 10 17:46:01 ;-/ Sep 10 17:46:05 Fatal, butten Sep 10 17:46:39 Blacksitox, the generic gps works perfect with maemo-mapper Sep 10 17:47:05 GS, model ? Sep 10 17:47:58 I've got the wackiest issue with gtk events in a component I'm working on... A button_release event calls back to code in the user's application. If that code destroys the widget and creates a new one, it screws with future event reporting. Sep 10 17:48:07 in python that Sep 10 17:48:08 is Sep 10 17:48:28 http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330160305532&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=014 <- this Sep 10 17:48:28 Blacksitox, despues de reiniciar la 770 la pantalla muestra lineas grises y azules. Sep 10 17:48:58 saaib: jag k�nner en liten pojke vid namn s�ren Sep 10 17:49:09 Fatal, don't worry Sep 10 17:49:10 :P Sep 10 17:49:21 I never worry Sep 10 17:49:40 ;) Sep 10 17:49:47 <`0660> olkaas ny Sep 10 17:50:54 fatal-, what? Sep 10 17:50:56 Blacksitox, how much money n800? cuanto te costo en cristiano Sep 10 17:50:57 :) Sep 10 17:51:21 estoy por pillarme una pero no se si merece la pena Sep 10 17:51:58 una cerveza por favor Sep 10 17:52:01 GS: ibland undrar jag om folk p� internet �r dummare �n de luktar Sep 10 17:52:19 Mikho, jajaja Sep 10 17:55:56 anybody from minimo? Sep 10 17:56:05 ke te pasa con minimo? Sep 10 17:56:09 Fatal, ;) Sep 10 17:56:57 Iinstalled minimo on my N800, and I was wondering about the size. Sep 10 17:57:44 First time I installed, it said downloading 5MB, but after the installation, the free space went down by 6.2MB Sep 10 17:58:08 and installed Applications size went up by 11.1 MB. Sep 10 17:58:22 apt-get clean Sep 10 17:58:31 Does this 11.1 MB include 6.2 M or total is 11 + 6.2? Sep 10 18:01:12 are there any 3rd party batteries that work in the n800? Sep 10 18:01:30 some afaik Sep 10 18:01:40 check which nokia phones use the same batt Sep 10 18:02:26 and...are there any that actually provide a longer charge? Sep 10 18:04:51 GS, a mi me salio 500 Sus, pero puesto en mi país (Bolivia) me lo trajo un amigo :) Sep 10 18:05:18 500 Sus? eso en euros cuanto es? Sep 10 18:05:19 jeje Sep 10 18:06:20 GS, emm 450 € aprox. Sep 10 18:06:37 sus dolares? Sep 10 18:06:37 pero si eres de europa lo encurntras por 350 € creo, en ebay y esos lugares Sep 10 18:06:52 pero merece la pena? Sep 10 18:06:53 GS, yes, SuS is dollars Sep 10 18:07:18 GS, pues si que vale la pena, yo lo uso para todo Sep 10 18:07:48 pues igual ke yo la 770 Sep 10 18:08:06 entonces no cambies Sep 10 18:08:08 lo unico ke es mas rapida Sep 10 18:08:22 si, pero no para cambiarla Sep 10 18:08:35 GS, mejor espera la n900 (si es que sale) Sep 10 18:57:21 <|ZoRo|> hi to everyone from Italy Sep 10 19:02:23 <|ZoRo|> I have noticed the N800 in very strong about multitasking... just for experimenting I tried opening as much apps as possible... I ended up with 45 apps open and mp3 music in background and everything went fine.... Sep 10 19:03:10 <|ZoRo|> It's almost unbelievable that such a small device can handle such a job Sep 10 19:03:29 <|ZoRo|> Now I realize I have wasted my time with smartphones :)) Sep 10 19:11:26 <|ZoRo|> anyone here uses xchat for maemo? I have some glitches Sep 10 19:15:32 <||cw> |ZoRo|: it has dedicated DSP's for a few things, like mp3 playing and video Sep 10 19:16:11 <||cw> not video decoding, but the display itself Sep 10 19:16:18 <||cw> hardware accelerated Sep 10 19:20:24 <|ZoRo|> yep I knew that Sep 10 19:20:32 <|ZoRo|> I'm kind of a tech geek Sep 10 19:20:55 <|ZoRo|> but I wouldn't have thought it could keep 45 apps up and running at the same time Sep 10 19:21:14 <|ZoRo|> the best smartphone I had would top out at 22-23 apps Sep 10 19:21:29 <|ZoRo|> and the avergae smartphone would die at 5 or 6 Sep 10 19:23:53 Hi guys.. How can I edit pages from http://my_project.garage.maemo.org ? I didn't receive any user or password to do that.... Sep 10 19:23:59 <||cw> do you have a swapfile ? Sep 10 19:24:12 <|ZoRo|> yes, 128 mb swap file Sep 10 19:24:33 <||cw> there you got then, winmo doesn't use a swapfile Sep 10 19:24:50 <|ZoRo|> hehe I'm talking about symbian Sep 10 19:24:58 <|ZoRo|> I don0t get on well with winmo Sep 10 19:25:11 <||cw> i doubt it has one either Sep 10 19:25:15 <|ZoRo|> imho winmo was designed by a team of dumbasses :) Sep 10 19:25:36 <||cw> yeah, using sram for storage... what the hell were they thinking Sep 10 19:25:37 <|ZoRo|> yes, no swapfile on symbian Sep 10 19:25:37 danilo: You check them into svn. Under www/ Sep 10 19:26:09 derf: Thanks! Sep 10 19:26:29 <|ZoRo|> anyhow if you have a *FAST* internal sd card Sep 10 19:27:05 <|ZoRo|> you don't notice any slowness when the ram is filled up and the sistem starts to use the swap file Sep 10 19:27:39 <|ZoRo|> if you have a cheap vanilla sd card you notice quite some slowness instead Sep 10 20:28:40 Hey, the browser on my n770 segfault s when i start it, byt only when i boot from the mmc card - anyone seen this before Sep 10 20:31:04 did you ty to fsck the file system? Sep 10 20:31:57 Does that format it, or check it? Sep 10 20:32:09 check Sep 10 20:33:26 Can i do that whilst its mounted? Sep 10 20:33:56 no the best thing it to put it in a card reader and run it from there Sep 10 20:34:02 runs fine from mmc here Sep 10 20:34:32 Yeah, it used to run fine but stoppeed Sep 10 20:34:58 I'm abroad for a few weeks so don't have a pc Sep 10 20:35:21 does dmesg tell you anything? Sep 10 20:36:35 Nope Sep 10 20:37:07 It just seg faults when i try to run it Sep 10 20:39:24 I'll try fscking the card Sep 10 21:13:47 so if i copy a mono application binary to a memory card on my n800, it should run, provided that i have the right mono stuff installed? Sep 10 21:20:21 there's a pretty embarrassing spelling mistake in maemo blocks, any idea where I could report it? Sep 10 21:24:50 is there a "better" terminal for maemo than the osso-terminal? it seems to waste a lot of space... Sep 10 21:28:34 toed: bugzilla. Sep 10 21:28:34 <_Monkey> bugzilla is, like, https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi Sep 10 21:29:59 vmware is opensource. ergo, i should be able to use it without having to make a purchase? Sep 10 21:30:08 tru_: can you clarify wasted space? do you mean the border around terminal window? Sep 10 22:13:52 hi guys! im just starting this process and im having a bit of trouble, when i try and start xephyr using the af-sb-init.sh start command it gives me a bunch of errors; ŕunner no such directory... can anyone help me ? Sep 10 22:20:18 hi guys! im just starting this process and im having a bit of trouble, when i try and start xephyr using the af-sb-init.sh start command it gives me a bunch of errors; ŕunner no such directory... can anyone help me ? Sep 10 22:21:04 what is the contents of the .sh script? Sep 10 22:21:30 well, i dont really know Sep 10 22:21:42 i can start xephyr outside of sbox fine Sep 10 22:22:26 i don't know what xephr is, but if you're getting a no such directory error, there might be something amiss with the script. like it could be referencing a directory which doesn't exist Sep 10 22:22:39 im following a tutorial off maemo.org about launce by defaulthing the application framework.... it hadnt meantioned creating a sh script so I had assumed it was ther Sep 10 22:22:47 xephyr is a window manager Sep 10 22:24:21 if you're running the script, then the script itself must exist. however, it could be trying to access something else which does not Sep 10 22:24:34 im trying to develop a maemo app for a nokia 770 device, is there an easier way than through sbox Sep 10 22:25:17 some folks write stuff in python directly on the 770 Sep 10 22:25:49 the script itself appears to launch, howver it seems to have problems loading maemo desktop, matchbox window manager etc... Sep 10 22:26:03 and it's possible to write mono apps which run on the n800/770, but i'm having trouble with that Sep 10 22:26:27 hmmm.... Sep 10 22:26:29 but most development uses scratchbox which is an extra pain in the ass for me on a macintosh :( Sep 10 22:26:57 scratchbox doesnt load under osx? Sep 10 22:27:03 nope. only linux Sep 10 22:27:36 some of the libs it wants are tied to the kernel Sep 10 22:27:36 have you tried through terminal, osx is darwin linux... for fear of repeating somehting you may know... Sep 10 22:28:00 im talking about something for which i know very little so please excuse... ;) Sep 10 22:28:04 i tried compiling it, but couldn't compile all the dependencies. i gave up after many, many hours Sep 10 22:28:20 ah Sep 10 22:28:21 so, i'm trying to download an image for an emulator right now. Sep 10 22:28:23 anyway Sep 10 22:28:41 that would be my next suggestion, run it on a virtual machine like parralells Sep 10 22:29:07 i'm evaluating VMWare fusion right now. hopefully, it will work Sep 10 22:29:39 well good luck Sep 10 22:29:53 anyway, i don't know anything about your problem, but when i'm debugging, i usually start with the launching script Sep 10 22:30:32 there should be less (or more) for scratchbox, so you can view the contents Sep 10 22:35:53 * henno giggles.. "osx is darwin linux" Sep 10 22:37:41 well, it is unix, even if it's not linux Sep 10 22:38:06 darwin is darwin, if nothing else it is a flavor of bsd Sep 10 22:38:27 it is bsd, yes. the next version will be certified as unix Sep 10 22:38:41 but doesn't have much in common with the linux kernel beyond it's unix-like structure Sep 10 22:38:51 * celesteh used to be a nextstep system administrator and could drone on about the history of the kernel Sep 10 22:39:20 no, a bunch of the libs are really different, which is why scratchbox won't compile Sep 10 22:39:21 * henno reminisces Sep 10 22:39:49 the mach kernel, developed at CMU in the 80's originally did bsd emulation Sep 10 22:40:30 sometime between NeXTSTEP 3.x and Mac OS X, they dropped mach in favor of real bsd Sep 10 22:40:48 darwin still has some roots in the mach microkernel does it not? Sep 10 22:41:08 A lot of roots. Sep 10 22:41:13 ;p Sep 10 22:41:17 best move they ever did Sep 10 22:41:29 i don't know. i haven't seen mach mentioned at all in any docs for os x Sep 10 22:41:46 * Deformati hates mac. Sep 10 22:41:52 all the man pages talk about bsd. so i was assuming they dropped it Sep 10 22:42:10 hate if you want. its an extremely reliable unix machine Sep 10 22:42:21 hmm.. maybe I am fill of it and just getting confused, but I somewhat remember discussing the mach elements burried somewhere in darwin Sep 10 22:42:33 but many a beer has been through this brain since then, so meh Sep 10 22:42:41 "We love OSS, look how much we use" "what have you given back?" "Give back? What do you mean?" Sep 10 22:42:42 i would not be at all surprised. it's trippy running nextstep again Sep 10 22:43:11 Mac, making us pay for free software since osx. ;) Sep 10 22:43:57 darwin is floss, but the window manager and whatnot are not Sep 10 22:44:08 in their defense, they have contributed a bit of work upstream to the KHTML devs Sep 10 22:44:29 They discontinued opendarwin. Sep 10 22:44:43 They cannot be defended. Sep 10 22:45:00 i know i should care . . . Sep 10 22:45:13 it's just so nice having a computer that actually works Sep 10 22:45:24 * Deformati shrugs. Sep 10 22:45:28 i don't have to hack on it or struggle with it. it just works Sep 10 22:45:46 Linux works fine for me, then again, it took me a few weeks to learn back when I started. Sep 10 22:45:47 (unlike certain tablet pcs which are something of a time sink) Sep 10 22:45:48 ill second that, not a single problem with osx software wise so far Sep 10 22:45:57 Ever since then, I have never had anything I struggled with really. Sep 10 22:46:20 my computer works, and has worked for 6 years :) Sep 10 22:46:26 yeah. i do audio production and computer music. i've heard rumors that this is actually possible now on linux Sep 10 22:46:37 henno: proc? Sep 10 22:46:48 I have had amd athlon xp for 6 years. Sep 10 22:47:24 Deformati: I agree, I am actually more 'lost' within a windows or mac envirnment these days Sep 10 22:47:40 * henno rocks the thlon XP Sep 10 22:47:45 s/thlon/athlon/ Sep 10 22:47:47 :D Sep 10 22:47:49 High five. Sep 10 22:47:53 2100xp Sep 10 22:48:03 Dude!! Sep 10 22:48:11 You are an archer too! Sep 10 22:48:15 :D Sep 10 22:48:23 i will put linux on my intel mac in the future. Sep 10 22:48:25 My AMD Athlon 1800 last forever! Sep 10 22:48:41 I can't bring myself to get rid of it, it just keeps going and going, and I do not need dual core super GHz multi-cpu systems for my purposes Sep 10 22:48:55 indeed I am Sep 10 22:49:09 I think I have an 1800, don't remember Sep 10 22:49:39 Arch is great. Sep 10 22:49:47 ok, time for me to sleep Sep 10 22:49:49 Deformati: only a recent-ish convert actually - switched to arch from slackware Sep 10 22:50:00 is slackware still around? Sep 10 22:50:05 That's cool. Sep 10 22:50:13 I have been an archer for over a year now. Sep 10 22:50:44 celesteh: of course it is Sep 10 22:50:46 is arch like slackware? Sep 10 22:50:50 No. Sep 10 22:50:57 I have been on arch for maybe 6 months Sep 10 22:51:08 everybody is running ubuntu these days, but compiling the kernel on it is craptastic Sep 10 22:51:14 before that it was slackware, and before that it was redhat 7.1 :P Sep 10 22:51:26 well, it does use a BSD-style init script system Sep 10 22:51:37 but if you don't compile the kernel, it's just as bloated as micr$oft Sep 10 22:51:37 * henno slaps sysv Sep 10 22:51:47 can anyone help me getting xephyr running in sandbox Sep 10 22:51:57 ok, now i sleep Sep 10 22:52:00 scratchbox Sep 10 22:52:00 <_Monkey> scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O Sep 10 22:52:01 night all Sep 10 22:52:01 haha Sep 10 22:52:07 the reason I originally went slackware back in 99 or 200 or some such was because the vanilla kernel works perfectly Sep 10 22:52:28 s/200/2000/ Sep 10 22:52:29 henno meant: the reason I originally went slackware back in 99 or 2000 or some such was because the vanilla kernel works perfectly Sep 10 22:52:33 Arch used to support vanilla kernel, I don't know about the current status of it. Sep 10 22:53:22 Deformati: the vanilla kernel on arch works fine (at least for me) Sep 10 22:53:45 I am in love with the fakeroot/makepkg system Sep 10 22:53:54 Yeah, it's great. Sep 10 22:53:59 so easy to build my own packages Sep 10 22:54:01 touchtone, you're not forced to run Xephyr inside scratchbox... all you need is an X display where to send your apps from scratchbox Sep 10 22:54:15 Unfortunate that the 770 is debian based Sep 10 22:55:08 So, what is the 770 missing? What can I make for it? The first thing I am going to need to do is get the d programming language up and running on ARM. Sep 10 22:55:39 Deformati, you mean the compiler? Sep 10 22:56:44 im running through the tutorial on v2.2 and i have no other way of getting into the enviroment without it... Sep 10 22:57:41 saaib: yes. Sep 10 22:57:57