**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 12 02:59:56 2007 Sep 12 03:01:03 http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/HostDistributions#head-182357e92799a6726a316007b64e1cd6453a4d88 Sep 12 03:01:12 http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2006-July/000596.html Sep 12 03:02:02 Interesting Sep 12 03:05:05 what is interesting is the small number of references to enabling vdso in the kernel Sep 12 03:05:18 in fact, I cannot find one discussion about it Sep 12 03:05:35 Me either. Sep 12 03:05:45 Quite confusing. Sep 12 03:07:58 according to this book, it is enabled by default Sep 12 03:08:01 http://books.google.com/books?id=1rFLGKO0dywC&pg=PA94&dq=vdso&sig=lEvB3DtdAVUfixlgm7wSI7rSLaw#PPA94,M1 Sep 12 03:08:22 This is so confusing. Sep 12 03:09:49 this looks promising Sep 12 03:09:49 http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_18#head-d436870fd6bb7290add540e62b52641196dbe179 Sep 12 03:10:03 "here is a new vdso=[0|1] boot option as well, and a runtime /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled sysctl switch, that allows the VDSO to be turned on/off" Sep 12 03:10:16 might not require a kernel reconfig Sep 12 03:17:40 Well, I am going to sleep now. Sep 12 03:17:45 Going to try again tomorrow. Sep 12 03:17:57 Should have my 770 by tomorrow hopefully. Sep 12 03:17:58 :) Sep 12 03:21:32 Deformati, have you tried: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso Sep 12 03:21:32 ? Sep 12 03:22:25 No such directory. Sep 12 03:23:14 what distro are you using? Sep 12 03:23:21 arch Sep 12 03:24:24 Now, really sleep. Sep 12 03:24:26 Heh. Sep 12 03:24:29 Gnight. Sep 12 03:24:49 Deformati, what about: sysctl -A | grep vdso Sep 12 03:24:50 ? Sep 12 03:25:29 n8 Sep 12 03:38:23 saaib: I can confirm that on arch, sysctl -A | grep vdso returns "vm.vdso_enabled = 1" Sep 12 03:53:38 sometimes tor just plain sucks Sep 12 03:53:55 s/tor/freenode/ Sep 12 03:53:55 henno meant: sometimes freenode just plain sucks Sep 12 03:54:09 what a lovely feature :) Sep 12 07:46:00 * bedboi is away: sleep mode Sep 12 07:54:25 Morning, all Sep 12 08:10:46 WTF's happened with all of handful's posts on planet? Sep 12 08:36:32 good morning Sep 12 09:49:21 Hello colleges Sep 12 09:49:34 can someone help me with some MMC boot problem Sep 12 09:52:51 When I boot from MMC load my Desktop but with some very simple and gray theme and after 2-3 min reboots Sep 12 09:53:28 I make MMC boot before 2-3 mounts but now I can't and I use same how to Sep 12 10:22:09 morning Sep 12 10:22:09 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 12 10:22:21 greetings Sep 12 10:25:08 derf: My apologies for besmirching the Tremor headers, was my #define, plus after switching away from lowmem-nobyte on the ARM side my code compiled pretty much straight away Sep 12 10:37:12 If code has a BSD-like licence, does that mean it can be released in binary form without source? Sep 12 10:37:34 * lardman looks at the Tremor COPYING file Sep 12 10:38:02 yes, but the original bsd license requires mentioning the original authors here and there Sep 12 10:38:14 the later variants don't require that Sep 12 10:38:53 okay, I need to work out if I can release some code Sep 12 10:38:57 thats what microsoft did =) Sep 12 10:39:50 some of the commandline tools network tools in atleast earlier windows versions where using bsd counterparts .. Sep 12 10:41:36 odd licence, I suppose it means that code is quickly accepted and used though Sep 12 10:50:07 lardman: Different fiilosophies - BSD-license-people value getting the code used as much as possible, GPL-license-people value keeping the code free (including free from hijacking). Sep 12 10:50:51 Yep Sep 12 10:51:14 The GPL-license-peoples fair is that someone (i.e. Microsoft) can take BSD code, make non-subtle changes, and releasing their own closed version, but because of their market position being able to be the de facto standard version. Sep 12 10:51:19 I can understand that Xiph would want their code to be BSD-like so that people will actually go away and use it Sep 12 10:51:40 Ah, I see what you mean Sep 12 10:51:45 Oh well Sep 12 10:51:52 eh, s/fair/fear/ Sep 12 10:52:50 Veggen, it's not that they fear. It just happens it's been done once and again. Sep 12 10:52:58 well, sure. Sep 12 10:53:30 I'm pretty neutral when it comes to licenses. I'd guess it'd depend on the application in question. Sep 12 10:53:49 yeah, me too. I usually favor GPL, thought Sep 12 10:54:25 I've seen first-hand what not understanding the community concept brings: "we'll make our version and sort our problems out" Sep 12 10:54:48 a fork isn't necessarilly bad, but it didn't make any sense Sep 12 10:55:27 "our competitor might take advantage of our code" Sep 12 10:56:06 I don't remember if MPL requires you to share your modifications of the code with your clients/users/whatever Sep 12 10:56:36 lardman: Glad to hear. Sep 12 11:16:08 Anyone from Nokia here? I do stand by my question, the other day, of why Carman is and has been the only featured Garage project displayed on the maemo.org page Sep 12 11:17:02 shouldn't this rotate so that other projects get exposure? Or is it that to be rotated in there the other projects need something special (special little page/icon/etc.)? Sep 12 11:25:07 possibly they forgot to assign a guy to be responsible for changing that Sep 12 11:27:03 it's not all that important, would just be nice to have a change of scenery from time to time Sep 12 11:28:38 real as life: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ Sep 12 11:28:45 (the horrors of user support) Sep 12 11:29:07 I might want to rebuild Xomap to allow a USB mouse to work with my 770. Anybody been there? Sep 12 11:32:02 gomiam: nice :) Sep 12 11:40:59 bherrmann: As no-one else has answered, I'd grab the source package from the maemo repo, then extract it, patch whatever you need to (some configure option I imagine) then rebuild Sep 12 11:42:00 yea, I think I'm heading that way Sep 12 11:42:12 And I did have scratchbox set up once Sep 12 11:42:32 but I'm a big removed from the day to day experince of grabbing the source and tweaking Sep 12 11:42:41 but that looks like the path I will need to take. Sep 12 11:43:00 Somebody else already got the bluetooth mouse working via some patches Sep 12 11:43:06 so I have that as a guide. Sep 12 11:43:54 hmm Sep 12 11:43:57 They had to tweak both the kernel and Xomap, http://thelemming.org.uk/maemo/btmice/maemo_mouse_readme.txt Sep 12 11:44:18 ask nicely? Sep 12 11:45:01 bloody remote desktop Sep 12 11:48:21 bherrmann: Seems that the instructions are reasonable straight-forward in any case Sep 12 11:48:45 though I'd try grabbing all of the packages from the maemo repo if possible, they may have been added since that doc was written Sep 12 11:49:25 true enough. Sep 12 11:51:46 can someone help me with some MMC boot problem Sep 12 11:52:07 relay_human: ask and see what you get Sep 12 11:52:24 When I boot from MMC load my Desktop but with some very simple and gray theme and after 2-3 min reboots Sep 12 11:52:33 I make MMC boot before 2-3 mounts but now I can't and I use same how to Sep 12 11:52:39 i use GNU tar Sep 12 11:52:57 everything from Original MAEMO how to boot from MMC Sep 12 11:53:17 can you use the device before it reboots? Sep 12 11:53:24 or is it locked? Sep 12 11:53:29 locked-up Sep 12 11:54:41 yes Sep 12 11:54:46 but some programs Quit Sep 12 11:54:53 and the Theme is very simple Sep 12 11:55:09 it's not like shod be Sep 12 11:55:15 It is ugly Sep 12 11:55:18 I was wondering if you have some corruption that has killed the files used by the themes Sep 12 11:55:32 I reflash it Sep 12 11:55:40 and make it from clean Os Sep 12 11:55:45 curious that it takes so long before it decides to reboot though Sep 12 11:55:56 I would, also run fsck on that mmc Sep 12 11:56:12 I format it before make anything Sep 12 11:58:17 who can make such problem Sep 12 11:58:27 can it comes from very big partition Sep 12 12:00:06 again Sep 12 12:00:12 ruh FS check but nothing Sep 12 12:00:42 no idea Sep 12 12:00:43 When boot when see NOKIA logo down is's booting with blue ... Sep 12 12:00:53 when go in the middle MOUSE is coming Sep 12 12:17:43 lardman Sep 12 12:17:45 I make it Sep 12 12:31:03 relay_human: Fixed? Good good Sep 12 12:31:20 Yes Sep 12 12:31:27 It comes from Partitions Sep 12 12:31:52 i don't know why but when resize it with 300MB for Fat 16 works Sep 12 12:32:16 relay_human: If you're booting from something it ought to be ext2 Sep 12 13:56:34 Humm. The keyboard doesnt pop up on my HE 2007 anymore... why would that be? Sep 12 13:58:10 I did have a usb keyboard hooked up... but the keyboard doesn't show up even after it's disconnected, and I've rebooted it Sep 12 14:20:43 ok, wack... another reboot made it happy.... Sep 12 14:20:53 hello Sep 12 14:21:00 anyone here with Navicore? Sep 12 14:23:49 sheesh, keyboard works, but now xterm doesnt start Sep 12 14:47:23 hey, can anyone give me a link to an emulater for old roms for my n800? something that can plat gba or snes would be nice Sep 12 14:49:29 Vertoo: a few people have NES emulators but I don't know where at Sep 12 14:49:44 s/NES/SNES/ Sep 12 14:49:44 erstazi meant: Vertoo: a few people have SNES emulators but I don't know where at Sep 12 14:50:18 meh, at least i know one exists now. thanks, off to google Sep 12 15:05:56 I liked the xmame emulator, suprised that it worked so well... for pacman anyway Sep 12 15:06:30 there's even a PS1 and amiga emulator on the net !!! Sep 12 15:06:31 just proof of concept.. because they're slow.. Sep 12 15:06:33 2fps or so.. Sep 12 15:09:55 the scummvm port works nicely, especially since they're all point and click games, no need to type or hit buttons Sep 12 15:10:30 cool, do you have a url to the scummvm port? Sep 12 15:11:25 Which scummvm game is the best demo? Sep 12 15:12:17 dunno.. day of the tentacle? Sep 12 15:15:55 dott is the only one I've played so far Sep 12 15:16:09 http://770.fs-security.com/scummvm/ Sep 12 15:16:28 i played maniac mansion Sep 12 15:16:37 which reminds me.. Sep 12 15:16:48 does the maniac mansion inside dott work in scummvm? Sep 12 15:17:08 it ought to, but I haven't tried it Sep 12 15:20:15 Humm. Why would xterm refuse to start I wonder... I guess I will have to just reflash... sheesh.... Sep 12 15:31:36 for HE 2007, does anybody have a happy "sources.list" or a script that they use "post flash" to apt-get a bunch of things (like xterm)? Sep 12 15:33:15 I guess there is a chicken and egg situation there, you can't run a script too easily until you have xterm already on the device Sep 12 15:34:38 I wonder is there a "developer tools" bin file that already has most things a developer might want already installed? (ie. say python, xterm, application launcher, etc..) Sep 12 15:44:58 Well, I think it's really not that much trouble to install them one by one Sep 12 15:45:14 It might be cool to have a page that has .install links to them all. Sep 12 15:45:28 then you could just click click click and you'd have all that done Sep 12 15:46:47 <`0660> too many clicks! Sep 12 15:46:48 <`0660> :) Sep 12 15:48:52 Yea, I guess I can put osso-xterm on my external flash, then install that by hand, then run a script which updates sources.list, and then does apt-get to get the packages that I feel "I need" Sep 12 15:56:40 Whats the deal with sardine is it being used? Sep 12 16:02:47 hi :) Sep 12 16:36:45 morning all Sep 12 16:44:03 hi to all Sep 12 16:44:05 * sp3000 is amused Sep 12 16:44:09 i have problem with my n800 Sep 12 16:44:16 I can't upgrade openssh-client/server :) Sep 12 16:44:33 * sp3000 blames the make-work -common separation dance Sep 12 16:47:33 i can't connet to internet /wifi an bt/ Sep 12 17:00:03 * bedboi is back (gone 00:27:39) Sep 12 17:06:41 <[31d1]> i can't believe no one compiled diff Sep 12 17:18:49 <[31d1]> except me Sep 12 17:19:21 how can i return n800 to factori settings RD wint winXP Sep 12 17:33:08 syraxxl: reflash it Sep 12 17:33:24 using the Nokia update wizard Sep 12 17:53:05 hiya jnettlet Sep 12 17:53:16 hey Sep 12 18:03:40 Im from cambridge Sep 12 18:03:51 i see your MA inet hostmask Sep 12 18:08:19 it running Sep 12 18:08:26 10x Sep 12 18:08:32 bye to all Sep 12 18:14:02 Where is libxau ? Sep 12 18:14:43 meaning, what package is libxau0 in, or where in the http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/ tree is it Sep 12 18:14:56 repositories? Sep 12 18:14:57 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 12 18:15:01 search index Sep 12 18:19:34 Humm... the search engine says it is in the repository, but it doesnt show me where in the repo is the .dep that has it Sep 12 18:23:28 pool/maemo2.2/free/x/xau/libxau0_0.1-2osso1_armel.deb Sep 12 18:23:58 thx ... yea I just googled it too... http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/libxau0_0.1-2osso1_armel.deb Sep 12 18:24:27 i used apt-cache show libxau0 Sep 12 18:41:43 where is the Documents folder and such? Sep 12 18:41:51 like in the CLI Sep 12 18:42:44 ~/.documents or something like that? Sep 12 18:43:17 that doesn't appear to show anything Sep 12 18:44:12 hmm /home/user mabye Sep 12 18:44:20 or /media/mmc2 Sep 12 18:44:55 hmm Sep 12 18:45:04 cant seem to find anything in any of those Sep 12 18:45:21 hmm Sep 12 18:45:31 what are you looking for your personal documents folder? Sep 12 18:45:36 im just trying to find, like, the directory structure thats in File Manager and stuff Sep 12 18:45:38 or is it on the memory card Sep 12 18:45:39 ~/MyDocs/.documents/ Sep 12 18:45:56 hey, I'm trying to install Sardine on my N800 and it's acting rather strangely Sep 12 18:45:59 jufo is the winnar Sep 12 18:46:18 hmm are you on a 800 or 770? Sep 12 18:46:41 n800 Sep 12 18:46:50 mine i found under /home/user/MyDocs Sep 12 18:46:58 im on a 770 thoguh Sep 12 18:47:28 I enabled RD mode and turned on the no-lifeguard-reset and it doesn't seem to want to boot fully Sep 12 18:48:09 it will show the "wrench" screen with the kernel version, sit there for a while, then show the "battery" icon forever, or it will boot to the home screen, then shut down randomly a minute later Sep 12 18:48:44 I haven't even gotten to the part about installing the boot selector and Sardine :( Sep 12 18:50:36 yeah, now it's rebooting endlessly Sep 12 18:51:01 I guess I have to reflash it or something Sep 12 18:51:56 is there a reset switch on the device somewhere or do I have to pull the battery? Sep 12 18:52:04 how do I install a .deb file I have downloaded? Sep 12 18:52:13 dpkg -i foo.deb Sep 12 18:52:28 thanks Sep 12 18:52:33 dhdfoo: just pull the battery Sep 12 18:52:41 or hold the power switch a very long time maybe Sep 12 18:52:56 if its just an app that's frozen up you can hold the esc/back button for a while to foce quit it or something Sep 12 18:53:11 hmm: dpkg: error processing openvpn_2.0.2-2_arm.deb (--install): Sep 12 18:53:11 package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel) Sep 12 18:53:21 <[31d1]> also you can click on the .deb in file manager and it will open in application installer Sep 12 18:53:40 <[31d1]> you got an 800 package and youre on a 770 i think Sep 12 18:53:46 i'm on an n800 Sep 12 18:53:51 but i suppose that could be the issue Sep 12 18:53:52 that is probably a package from debian-arm Sep 12 18:53:58 they are not compatible Sep 12 18:54:05 it needs to be _armel.deb Sep 12 18:54:16 hm Sep 12 18:54:22 I'm following this and it told me to do that http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installopenvpn Sep 12 18:55:54 #!@$ okay I guess I will just reflash the damn N800 Sep 12 18:56:08 I don't know what I did to it to make it go into endless reboot mode Sep 12 18:57:35 red-pill mode is generally not a good thing Sep 12 18:58:09 if you are enabling red-pill mode to be able to install libraries from the application manager... you shouldn't be in red pill mode Sep 12 18:58:10 i wish we could use the flasher util to back up not just restore Sep 12 18:58:22 im sure nokia has a way to make the builds Sep 12 18:58:26 good point Sep 12 18:58:41 it is easy to back-up the system if you boot from mmc Sep 12 18:58:44 that way we could back up all the system as a snapshot then restore it if we messed it up Sep 12 18:58:53 yes that is what i do Sep 12 18:58:58 hmm Sep 12 18:58:58 make periodic system backups Sep 12 18:59:08 but does it back up everything or just a file backup Sep 12 18:59:15 backs up the whole filesystem Sep 12 18:59:19 i want all my added on programs and config fiels etc Sep 12 18:59:25 yes Sep 12 18:59:25 hmm Sep 12 18:59:29 ok how? Sep 12 18:59:33 multiboot? Sep 12 18:59:34 <_Monkey> hmmm... multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card Sep 12 18:59:35 is there a tut on it? Sep 12 18:59:57 that page seems pretty good Sep 12 19:00:01 that's part of it - it needs the full tutorial Sep 12 19:00:22 this is a stupid question, but which flasher flag do I use to reflash the ITOS2007 image? Sep 12 19:00:34 I can't for the life of me find the upgrade instructions on the website Sep 12 19:01:00 I've done this before but can't remember what kind of image it is Sep 12 19:08:15 what a pain in the ass, now I have to reinstall ssh and so on Sep 12 19:09:03 dhdfoo: the flasher should be on the nokia's website Sep 12 19:09:10 yeah I found it Sep 12 19:09:17 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux? Sep 12 19:09:21 that is the page I was looking for Sep 12 19:09:28 yeah Sep 12 19:09:34 thats why i wanted to back it up eheh Sep 12 19:11:12 hey, for ssh, is it recommended to use the openssh package, or dropbear? Sep 12 19:12:08 because the former requires red-pill mode Sep 12 19:12:11 which is irritating Sep 12 19:13:55 RushPL! IT CAME!!! Sep 12 19:14:00 oh, my mistake, it's a "one click install" now, cool! Sep 12 19:14:50 anyonw know why I'm getting "incompatible application package" on something that's built for an n800? Sep 12 19:15:00 Ugh. Sep 12 19:15:06 I think the screen might be damaged. Sep 12 19:15:49 I've had the touchscreen go wacky on me, and rebooting fixed it... Sep 12 19:21:13 Is the right side of the screen always slightly darker? Sep 12 19:21:22 And is the color white a bit grainy? Sep 12 19:21:29 I figure it is because it is a touchscreen. Sep 12 19:23:24 dropbear or openssh, anybody have an opionion? Sep 12 19:27:35 i use dropbear, it's really necessary Sep 12 19:28:37 openssh is to big for embbeded devince (just my opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ... Sep 12 19:29:56 dropbear doesn't have sftp or x-forwarding afaik.. Sep 12 19:30:06 <[31d1]> i use openssh cause accept no substitutes Sep 12 19:30:30 <[31d1]> does dropbear have ssh-keygen and .ssh/config and all that good stuff? Sep 12 19:38:36 Is there an irc client on the 770? Sep 12 19:38:58 Deformative: xchat Sep 12 19:39:12 [31d1]: i don't know Sep 12 19:39:51 <[31d1]> word - i <3 openssh so i installed it no matter how big it is Sep 12 19:40:06 sbz: I mean that comes preinstalled. Sep 12 19:40:09 I guess not. Sep 12 19:40:31 <[31d1]> Deformative: there isn't Sep 12 19:40:41 cosmo: dropbear support xfowarding, but it's foolish to compare THE BEST OF WORLD ssh client and a little embbeded client, sur openssh is the best, it is on BSD Licence :) Sep 12 19:41:28 Deformative: you can reattach your screen over ssh for example, it works well :) Sep 12 19:41:56 when you use an irc console client Sep 12 19:42:40 It doesn't have a terminal installed by default? Sep 12 19:42:42 Weak. Sep 12 19:43:24 you need to install osso-xterm from bora maemo-hackers repository Sep 12 19:43:33 <[31d1]> nah - someone needs to port rxvt lol Sep 12 19:43:39 I already said that. Sep 12 19:43:44 That will be my first thing I do. Sep 12 19:43:47 <[31d1]> hence my lol Sep 12 19:45:21 This is a very cool device. Sep 12 19:45:29 Needs a longer lasting battery, but still cool. Sep 12 19:46:03 <[31d1]> im almost glad of how crappy 770 is out of the box - cause if it was better without having to hack on it they wouldnt be so cheap maybe Sep 12 19:46:22 <[31d1]> oh Deformative your jawn came in the mail today? Sep 12 19:46:30 Yes. Sep 12 19:46:40 <[31d1]> battery lasts pretty long in my experience Sep 12 19:46:48 Has anyone modded the chat program to include irc and aol? Sep 12 19:46:54 hey Sep 12 19:46:58 I read it only last about 3 hours. Sep 12 19:47:00 i just installed canola 1.0beta2. Sep 12 19:47:02 <[31d1]> maybe not compared to newer stuff Sep 12 19:47:10 <[31d1]> it lasts a long time in standby Sep 12 19:47:11 and i see the same gui as the old one. is this ok?... Sep 12 19:47:14 Deformative: nokia n770|800 is very very very cool Sep 12 19:47:23 wansnt canola switching to efl?.. Sep 12 19:47:35 <[31d1]> the port of gaim has irc Sep 12 19:47:57 Why didn't they improve the existing client? Sep 12 19:48:05 It seems alright. Sep 12 19:48:10 <[31d1]> meh i dunno i am irssi 4 life Sep 12 19:48:20 Deformative: irssi works on armel too Sep 12 19:48:23 killfill: it is Sep 12 19:48:30 killfill: but we'll release it late December Sep 12 19:48:50 xmas gift Sep 12 19:48:51 :-D Sep 12 19:49:50 k-s[WORK]: aah, so the beta2 is an upgrade, but without the new stuff Sep 12 19:49:55 hehe Sep 12 19:50:09 Hmm. Sep 12 19:50:11 new version with efl will be a total rewrite Sep 12 19:50:22 Does anyone know if gmail works with the nokia email manager? Sep 12 19:50:30 killfill: in python for our mental healt Sep 12 19:50:32 Or should I just remove the email manager, if possible Sep 12 19:50:33 health Sep 12 19:50:38 <[31d1]> there's some way t hook it up Sep 12 19:50:52 <[31d1]> but gmail itself works fine in the browser Sep 12 19:50:58 thought beta2 was the rewrite.. :) Sep 12 19:51:25 <[31d1]> there's a port of mutt that's slammin' once you turn on mouse-enabled Sep 12 19:51:33 [31d1]: But gmail in browser doesn't still work without internet. Sep 12 19:51:56 <[31d1]> yeah true Sep 12 19:52:46 <[31d1]> just never leave the house and you will always have internets! Sep 12 19:52:59 k-s[WORK]: isnt there a hidden binary of that efl thingy somewhere?.. Sep 12 19:53:14 killfill: I provide EFL packages at my website Sep 12 19:53:28 killfill: maemo-efl.garage.maemo.org Sep 12 19:53:39 Deformative: yes gmail works good Sep 12 19:53:56 <[31d1]> google reader - not so much :( Sep 12 19:54:02 this is the website of the project, with link to my repository... Ed (from Nokia) is doing better packages and we'll use his package later Sep 12 19:54:23 k-s[WORK]: and a canola of that branch? Sep 12 19:54:30 yep Sep 12 19:54:39 oh well its python.. i could just get the source of it.. where is it? Sep 12 19:54:59 killfill: source of what? Sep 12 19:55:17 canola efl edition.. Sep 12 19:55:34 killfill: canola is still (unfortunatelly) closed source :-/ Sep 12 19:55:43 aAaa Sep 12 19:55:45 :S Sep 12 19:55:46 killfill: we develop it internally at INdT Sep 12 19:56:14 killfill: so far we're working on base components, like EFL... I'm doing python-efl, cmarcelo does python-etk Sep 12 19:57:08 <[31d1]> all i want for xmas is flash9 Sep 12 19:57:20 [31d1]: that's another company Sep 12 19:57:21 :-D Sep 12 19:57:28 <[31d1]> heh Sep 12 19:58:15 my car-radios were stoled 4 time in total.. Sep 12 19:58:23 i wont buy any car-radio in my live again... Sep 12 19:58:23 been* Sep 12 19:58:31 ugh Sep 12 19:58:39 I was asking if anyone had luck with the headset profile Sep 12 19:58:51 so my xmas preset _is_ canola efl.. :P Sep 12 19:59:06 does the version of bluez installing by that install.sh include it even? Sep 12 20:06:46 do any ad block solutions work in opera on the n800 - or is there a built in one in opera ? Sep 12 20:09:27 still trying to install Sardine here ... Sep 12 20:09:36 this page http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card indicates that I can download tar using apt-get -d install Sep 12 20:09:58 but ... it doesn't seem to be in any repositories that apt knows about Sep 12 20:10:30 or rather it says "selecting busybox instead of tar" Sep 12 20:10:46 the alternate method is to use rsync - that's the package that does not seem to exist according to apt Sep 12 20:13:54 AND this is way out of date: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog#89a4551b0f29c1a652648b1cb8747021 Sep 12 20:18:09 okay never mind I just downloaded the debian-armel binary Sep 12 20:18:26 I will edit the HOWTO page to mention that you probably want to do this Sep 12 20:24:19 Can I modify the home desktop? Sep 12 20:24:41 oh, lovely, that actually does not work either Sep 12 20:24:50 no clue if anyone cares, but I just built a test .deb of libvisual for the n800. You can get it here: http://www.guardiani.us/libvisual-0.4-0_0.4.0-1.1_armel.deb Sep 12 20:24:51 fine I will just #@$ compile tar myself in scratchbox Sep 12 20:25:09 thinking about using libvisual in Kagu. :) Sep 12 20:25:22 thanks to k-s[WORK] for the info. Sep 12 20:26:46 Can I modify the home desktop? Sep 12 20:27:53 in what way ? Sep 12 20:28:13 you can add and remove thingies and change the background Sep 12 20:28:21 or plonk KDE on an SD card :) Sep 12 20:28:40 How can I remove things and change the background? Sep 12 20:28:52 not sure - I'll find out tomorrow Sep 12 20:29:01 I presume there is a nice preferences thing in the control panel Sep 12 20:29:17 Found it. Sep 12 20:29:19 Nope. Sep 12 20:29:23 It is in the menu for home. Sep 12 20:29:28 ah :) Sep 12 20:30:06 * Nermal will flash his n800 when it arrives with the philip langdale SDHC kernel to hopefully avoid nuking his new 4gb card Sep 12 20:30:13 :S Sep 12 20:32:26 hey guys.. how do you umount a sd card?.. Sep 12 20:32:41 currently im loggin in and umount /... it.. Sep 12 20:32:45 Anyone have some pointers on getting a script to run when a wifi connection is established? Sep 12 20:33:12 interesting questions... Sep 12 20:33:50 twobithacker: maybe in /etc/network if-up.d Sep 12 20:34:09 everything I've read says that doesn't work for wifi, just for pppd connections Sep 12 20:35:21 killfill: is there no "eject" option Sep 12 20:35:24 twobithacker: you can install load-applet-run and start any script manually Sep 12 20:35:28 that usually syncs and unmounts things Sep 12 20:36:36 yeah, that work if I mess with some permissions. basically I'm just looking to run ntpdate when I get a connection Sep 12 20:37:09 Nermal: yup.. i miss that. i think pluggin my sdch in/out makes my memories broke.. i already broke two.. :P Sep 12 20:37:48 killfill: I read about that on the itt forums - which is why I'm going to patch mine when it arrives and only use the internal slot for now Sep 12 20:38:03 seems to affect a lot of people Sep 12 20:38:29 i should read that forums.. :P Sep 12 20:41:34 looks like I should be looking into dbus stuff to do what I want Sep 12 20:49:49 <[31d1]> twobithacker: im interested in that too - to run a dyndns script Sep 12 20:50:27 <[31d1]> and /etc/network/init.d just comes up on boot - not via wireless Sep 12 20:51:04 <[31d1]> currently i just have a script cronned every so often that checks iwconfig to see if theres a wlan before running anything Sep 12 20:54:50 anyone knows a library that extracts symbols from an ELF? Sep 12 21:00:00 anyone using videocenter? Sep 12 21:00:21 notice it doesn't play all vlogs. Sep 12 21:02:08 bedboi: for maemo or in general ? libelf :) Sep 12 21:02:17 in general. Sep 12 21:02:49 bedboi: http://www.mr511.de/software/ Sep 12 21:03:07 sbz: dl_iterate_phdr? Sep 12 21:03:11 what about that? Sep 12 21:04:02 sbz: i did ldd `which objdump` but libelf is not a dependency, so i was pretending that libelf does not have that feature Sep 12 21:05:46 i never saw dl_iterate_phdr header, i can't bring to you more precisions about that Sep 12 21:09:33 hi Sep 12 21:20:40 scratchbox and distutils.core problem not finding gcc properly: http://pastebin.ca/694572 any ideas? Sep 12 21:21:22 is there any way to get more feedback during the boot process on the N800? Sep 12 21:21:33 the inability to see what is actually going on is driving me crazy Sep 12 21:21:41 I can never tell if it is actually going to boot or not Sep 12 21:22:19 have faith :) Sep 12 21:22:26 yeah :P Sep 12 21:22:36 I wonder if you remove the splash image file Sep 12 21:22:55 I have it set up to dual boot Sardine off an SD partition, but it only seems to be able to actually give me the boot menu every other time I power it on Sep 12 21:23:03 otherwise it just sits at the "Kernel version" screen Sep 12 21:23:46 hmm, perhaps it is the case that rebooting it with 'shutdown -r now' just doesn't work Sep 12 21:24:42 there must be some way to get a serial console or something off it... Sep 12 21:25:14 dhdfoo: not without soldering Sep 12 21:25:17 ohh I see, it involves soldering Sep 12 21:25:22 yeah I just found it in the Wiki Sep 12 21:31:58 * pupnik suggests following directions Sep 12 23:09:10