**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 17 02:59:57 2007 Sep 17 03:13:59 pingus is a free lemmings clone - currently seeking testers http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9794 - /msg pupnik to test Sep 17 04:08:59 crashes fixxorzed :P Sep 17 04:09:11 speed tripledzored :P Sep 17 04:13:39 my 770 is not working :( Sep 17 04:13:48 it is charging but not booting... Sep 17 04:13:58 any suggestions? Sep 17 04:13:59 <_Monkey> any suggestions are welcome Sep 17 04:16:02 reflash Sep 17 04:16:06 how? Sep 17 04:16:13 flasher? Sep 17 04:16:13 <_Monkey> well, flasher is available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com Sep 17 04:16:27 its connecting to the mmc but not the nokia? Sep 17 04:16:40 no Sep 17 04:17:06 how do i reflash this thing? Sep 17 04:17:08 i don Sep 17 04:17:20 i don't want to send it in to be fixed :( Sep 17 04:17:34 use the windows update wizard Sep 17 04:17:53 might even get a mention in the manual Sep 17 04:18:07 yes i did try that Sep 17 04:18:13 and? Sep 17 04:18:16 no good Sep 17 04:18:23 its not connecting to the nokia Sep 17 04:18:27 its connecting to the mmc Sep 17 04:18:34 no idea, i give up Sep 17 04:19:09 c'mon guys think harder!! Sep 17 04:19:29 you're not making any sense to be honest Sep 17 04:19:32 i went to sleep with it charging and when i woke up it was shut off and then it would not boot Sep 17 04:19:41 what do you want me to clear up? Sep 17 04:19:49 its not booting, but its charging Sep 17 04:19:52 what do you mean "it's connecting to the mmc"? Sep 17 04:20:07 the card Sep 17 04:20:07 <_Monkey> somebody said the card was faster and can be ext2 or something instead of jffs2 Sep 17 04:20:23 see? no sense whatsoever... ;) Sep 17 04:20:32 the micro sd card Sep 17 04:21:07 you mean it boots from mmc, but doesn't boot from internal flash? Sep 17 04:21:13 when i connect the 770 to my pc via usb Sep 17 04:21:16 yeah that.. Sep 17 04:21:17 <_Monkey> yeah that is probably cool. i will be porting some linux stuff to maemo. hoping to be not much painful as Symbian was Sep 17 04:21:44 _monkey forget "yeah that" Sep 17 04:21:45 <_Monkey> milhouse, I didn't have anything matching "yeah that" Sep 17 04:22:06 so it boots... reflash it Sep 17 04:22:18 how? Sep 17 04:22:48 Did you get a small booklet with your 770? Sep 17 04:22:55 commonly referred to as a "manual"? Sep 17 04:22:57 its not booting at all though, its stuck on the charging screen, even if i hold down the home key Sep 17 04:23:09 you said it booted from mmc Sep 17 04:23:19 no Sep 17 04:23:22 no forget that Sep 17 04:23:26 "it's connecting to the mmc" Sep 17 04:23:33 ^ that Sep 17 04:23:41 which means what, exactly? Sep 17 04:24:01 the bottom line is that 'its not booting at all' Sep 17 04:24:14 you mean your PC is mounting the mcc card as a disk drive even though your device not booting? Sep 17 04:24:18 should i send it in to be serviced or can i fix this at home Sep 17 04:24:24 yes Sep 17 04:24:31 have you tried removing the battery? Sep 17 04:24:38 yes Sep 17 04:24:45 and removing the mmc card? Sep 17 04:24:48 yes Sep 17 04:25:20 what happens when you connect the usb cable to your 770 and pc, then power on the 770 while holding the Home key? Sep 17 04:26:11 the white nokia screen comes on, and i see the usb icon on the top right but after 3-4 secs it goes back to the charging screen Sep 17 04:26:46 what happens if you do the above but without the AC charger connected? Sep 17 04:27:02 it doesn't even power on at all Sep 17 04:27:13 duff battery?@ Sep 17 04:27:13 without the charger it doesn't work at all Sep 17 04:27:20 hmm? Sep 17 04:27:31 try another battery Sep 17 04:27:43 or leave it charging for about 12 hours then try again Sep 17 04:27:58 its been charging for awhile now :( Sep 17 04:28:12 should i send it in to be serviced? Sep 17 04:28:13 then i would try another battery Sep 17 04:28:32 i don't understand why it isn't booting though :( Sep 17 04:28:44 dead battery Sep 17 04:28:50 maybe because there isn't enough charge in the battery... hence why i suggest you try another battery Sep 17 04:29:07 sw checks the charge level and refuses to run if there's not enough Sep 17 04:29:07 by all means send it in for service, but it could just be a dead or defective battery Sep 17 04:29:19 ic Sep 17 04:29:31 i suppose this happened literally over night Sep 17 04:29:48 though the 770 currently says that the battery is full Sep 17 04:29:56 if you do send it it, you're not supposed to send in the battery, battery cover, stylus or hard-cover so there's a chance they'll find nothing wrong... Sep 17 04:30:24 how old is it? Sep 17 04:30:31 a couple months old Sep 17 04:30:49 can't really suggest much more... do you have another battery to test with? Sep 17 04:30:53 or can borrow one? Sep 17 04:31:01 i don't have another battery Sep 17 04:31:29 maybe i can run down the mall 2morrow and see if those cellphone stores have a nokia battery lying around? Sep 17 04:31:48 what would you suggest? Sep 17 04:32:03 that sounds like a good idea Sep 17 04:32:11 agreed Sep 17 04:32:39 alright, i'll see you guys later :) Sep 17 04:32:43 thanks for the help! Sep 17 07:06:49 re Sep 17 07:22:32 hi Sep 17 07:23:04 can anyone tell men online shop to buy cheap n800 using paypal? Sep 17 07:23:13 me* Sep 17 07:27:14 Hi people Sep 17 07:27:43 I just got this place, that someone from here migthbe able to help Sep 17 07:28:01 Can you use files.maemo.org at this moment Sep 17 07:28:28 I am asked for username and password all the time. But on friday, things worked fine. Sep 17 07:33:33 Well I am trying to use repository with apt-get update Sep 17 07:49:31 * bedboi is away: sleeping Sep 17 10:33:39 morning Sep 17 10:33:40 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 17 10:47:10 can anyone tell me an online shop to buy cheap n800 using paypal? Sep 17 11:23:43 ah crap, the shop were i bought my 770 tries to fix it with a new display instead of exchange it with a n800 :( Sep 17 11:26:47 why would they exchange it to N800? 770 is still being sold Sep 17 11:30:54 <`0660> i wonder if fiat exchanges faulty cars to ferraris :) Sep 17 11:36:14 good morning(~ugt) Sep 17 11:37:06 anybody can tell me how to covert JOCTET to gchar for gtk Sep 17 11:48:07 please anybody tell how to covert JOCTET to gchar for gtk Sep 17 11:49:52 Big_B: what is JOCTET? Sep 17 11:57:21 JOCTET * buffer; Sep 17 11:57:33 nomis: JOCTET * buffer; Sep 17 12:12:24 how useful Sep 17 12:12:38 there seem to be two places that can give you such creatures Sep 17 12:13:07 what you have and what you want they seem to be the same thing though so a cast should do Sep 17 12:13:16 now the contents are of course another story Sep 17 12:13:37 how can I use C-compiled .a -library in a c++ program? The linker complains it can't find the functions that are supposed to be defined in the .a file? Sep 17 12:14:43 anyone not afk here?.. Sep 17 12:14:48 maybe Sep 17 12:15:01 can anyone tell me an online shop to buy cheap n800 using paypal? Sep 17 12:50:11 hi, anyone know of any resumeble download managers for n800 please? Sep 17 12:51:13 Rebroad: wget ? Sep 17 12:51:13 <_Monkey> rumour has it wget is an utility for non-interactive download of files from the Web. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/wget/ Sep 17 12:52:15 thanks sbaturzio & _Monkey Sep 17 12:56:31 can anyone tell me an online shop to buy cheap n800 using paypal? Sep 17 13:03:34 how do i make wget resume please? it just starts from the beginning each time so far Sep 17 13:04:52 man wget .. -c is continue/resume switch .. Sep 17 13:05:37 also, some websites do not support that.. specially if there's some download scripts in the site setup.. Sep 17 13:11:39 Urgh .. Making debian packages is hard .. Sep 17 13:11:52 I can honestly say I've got no idea what I'm doing ^_^ Sep 17 13:15:11 Okay .. It's a bit easier than I thought. I just realised what all this files are doing ^_^ Sep 17 13:19:25 * kupesoft waits for a new cx3110x driver that has packet injection Sep 17 13:23:10 cosmo: is it really still be sold? i thought nokia doesnt support it anymore? Sep 17 13:24:16 * [31d1] waits for flash9 Sep 17 13:31:16 fish_: yes Sep 17 13:37:20 Woo! FIRST DEB PACKAGE! Sep 17 13:37:21 O_O Sep 17 13:45:01 gimme gimme Sep 17 13:49:46 http://synthesize.us/HOWTO_make_a_deb_archive Sep 17 14:27:48 hi, the scoop is for you: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_beta_sdk.html Sep 17 14:28:22 we have completed the upload and we are doing the last testing before announcing the release Sep 17 14:28:40 good news! :) Sep 17 14:35:58 hm, gotta try that Sep 17 14:39:35 4.0 is coming up? cool Sep 17 14:39:43 * pupnik_ cheers Sep 17 14:43:38 # HAL added, with libhal as wrapper. Supported devices: Sep 17 14:43:39 * keyboard (open/closed, exists/doesn’t exist) Sep 17 15:04:38 Is there a debhelper >= 5 for gregale maemo yet? Sep 17 15:05:01 Version: 4.2.32 Sep 17 15:15:51 Morning, all Sep 17 15:15:57 hi Sep 17 15:15:58 <_Monkey> bonjour, pupnik_ Sep 17 15:16:23 koen: intriguing Sep 17 15:17:27 Jaffa: indeed Sep 17 15:22:42 * Jaffa wonders if a built-in keyboard would actually improve his N800, without a proper Jotter app. 'spose it'd make email on the move more of a proposition Sep 17 15:26:05 what's jotter? Sep 17 15:27:46 http://www.ericlindsay.com/epoc/bjot5.htm Sep 17 15:29:44 oh psion - i suppose maemopad+ is not a substitute? Sep 17 15:30:04 wonder if it's ok to add other project (related to maemo) trackers in #maemo-commits Sep 17 15:34:40 * pupnik_ begins to understand why no debhelper 5 is available Sep 17 15:35:02 524138 Sep 17 16:32 debhelper_5.0.54_all.deb :P :P :P Sep 17 15:35:16 hmm. getting connection reset by peers when d/ling maemo 4.0 beta debs Sep 17 15:35:24 pupnik_: Maemopad+ didn't quite have the right workflow for me. Jotter took the first line of the note as a title and was free-format rich text, last time I tried Maemopad+ it required a title to be added before the note Sep 17 15:35:48 kulve: You about? Sep 17 15:36:07 i didn't use the psion 5mx and netbook much, but it was instantly usable Sep 17 15:36:31 kulve: Just wondering if you had any ideas for debugging tasks that don't want to start up (i.e. open() returns -1)? Sep 17 15:36:50 pupnik_: and had a keyboard :) Sep 17 15:40:25 * bedboi is back (gone 07:50:43) Sep 17 15:42:30 <|tbb|> has anyone experience running kde on n800 Sep 17 15:51:11 did anyone manage to install 4.0 beta? Sep 17 15:51:30 my installation always fails on Err http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free ppp 2.4.4rel-8osso3 Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 193.184.164.153 80] Sep 17 15:51:59 Using a proxy? Sep 17 15:52:55 not sure, but this is on company network so it's possible Sep 17 15:53:13 Might need to export http_proxy=http://somebox:someport Sep 17 15:53:36 it downloads 400 packages successfully before that Sep 17 15:53:42 and always fails on ppp package Sep 17 15:53:42 Ah Sep 17 16:13:13 is maemo compatible with the latest apophis releases ? can someone sum this up ? Sep 17 16:13:35 guardian: yes Sep 17 16:13:42 I would use the latest apophis releases Sep 17 16:13:50 * erstazi uses them as well Sep 17 16:13:53 ok Sep 17 16:14:25 i never really paid attention to the maemo3-sdk package and why it exists etc Sep 17 16:15:02 it should pull in all devkits needed for maemo 3, and add some nice tools Sep 17 16:15:47 could you please tell more about the tools ? Sep 17 16:22:03 I don't remember what and I'm too lazy to look up Sep 17 16:42:32 ~lart dspgateway error messages Sep 17 16:42:33 * infobot crushes dspgateway error messages with a full height scsi disk Sep 17 16:45:56 heh Sep 17 16:48:07 I've got everything to compile, just the old error of working out why the dsptask won't load Sep 17 16:49:07 * pupnik canno help Sep 17 16:49:18 but my debhelper 5 seems to be working! Sep 17 16:49:27 * pupnik is astounded Sep 17 16:50:07 it is jam-packed with fudge and ignored dependencies Sep 17 16:50:24 and dependencies where i edited rules to skip tests :) Sep 17 16:50:34 totally nsfw :) Sep 17 17:22:44 * pupnik wishes he knew how to get a /dev/dsp working Sep 17 17:44:14 What's the codename for maemo 2.2? Sep 17 17:44:41 <`0660> gregale? Sep 17 17:44:41 <_Monkey> i heard gregale was something else entirely Sep 17 17:46:02 is there anyone who thinks that the monkey is useful? Sep 17 17:46:03 hello ssvb, guardian Sep 17 17:46:08 yes Sep 17 17:46:13 itself? Sep 17 17:46:20 hi Sep 17 17:46:27 saves me typing answering faqs Sep 17 17:46:39 it should only trigger with special character though Sep 17 17:46:42 hello pupnik Sep 17 17:47:14 ssvb, I got pingus running last night :) Sep 17 17:47:47 i'm curious how it runs on n800 - on 770 it requires VM Sep 17 17:48:56 mistral :) Sep 17 17:49:41 the monkey scores really well on the most annoying net personality of the year awards Sep 17 17:50:13 _Monkey: change to something Sep 17 17:50:14 <_Monkey> suihkulokki: that doesn't look right Sep 17 17:50:46 * suihkulokki promises not tease monkey again :P Sep 17 17:51:35 i have seen the automated response yield something useful 3-4 times, and be useless 40-80 times Sep 17 17:56:43 pupnik: most likely pingus should be fine on n800, it has the same amount of ram as n770 ram+swap :) unless you have enabled more than 64MB of swap Sep 17 17:58:08 morning everyone Sep 17 18:08:53 Strange .. Sep 17 18:37:53 Okay .. Sep 17 19:07:19 Should my debs be called '*_ermel' for mistral? Sep 17 19:07:32 *_armel Sep 17 19:07:40 Yes .. Sep 17 19:07:42 Is that right? Sep 17 19:07:57 Because the have identical names the mistral and bora debs :/ Sep 17 19:08:10 yes all those are armel Sep 17 19:08:14 only it2005 was arm Sep 17 19:08:20 Okay Sep 17 19:08:27 Yeah, that's fine. If they're incompatible with a particular API, depend on a version of hildon-application-framework etc Sep 17 19:08:54 Oh, so I can run OS2007 apps on an OS2006 device? Sep 17 19:08:59 Provided the deps are met? Sep 17 19:09:09 And visa versa? Sep 17 19:09:21 no. vice versa yes Sep 17 19:10:25 :P Sep 17 19:10:41 Interesting, I thought there was a binary compatibilty break between IT06 and IT07 Sep 17 19:10:55 But that was between OS05 and OS06? Sep 17 19:11:27 no, yes Sep 17 19:12:32 Okay .. Sep 17 19:13:06 * pupnik wishes he ... could be faster at this Sep 17 19:17:16 no, yes. yes, no. what? Sep 17 19:18:03 rearranging gtk menus right now - mostly via guesswork Sep 17 19:18:09 buttons rather Sep 17 19:20:08 New UAE: Average frame time: 65.145895 ms ... Sep 17 19:20:46 disq - do you want to fix-up UAE? Sep 17 19:23:32 not interested, sorry Sep 17 19:23:56 i don't believe it can run speedball2 at decent speed on maemo Sep 17 19:24:22 you got a 770 or 800? Sep 17 19:24:26 n800 Sep 17 19:24:29 erm, both in fact Sep 17 19:25:34 ok - in-game lemmings right now 5fps w/o sound on 770 Sep 17 19:46:03 pupnik, lemmings is running natively on 770 or requires anything additional? Sep 17 19:53:06 saaib: guessing from previous lines, uae, amiga emulator Sep 17 19:53:28 trying to find fastest config settings right now Sep 17 19:56:04 there is a javascript version of lemmings Sep 17 19:56:23 http://games.funnygames.nl/lemmings/index.html Sep 17 20:06:47 aha! just got my 770 replacement back from Nokia... Sep 17 20:07:50 darn! my battery is on home :S I'll be just steering at the tablet 'till I get home Sep 17 20:11:06 steering? staring? Sep 17 20:11:42 you can steer it Sep 17 20:13:42 wonder how many picoo-z it would take to lift a 770 Sep 17 20:28:01 see you chaps in a few days Sep 17 20:49:37 <[31d1]> convert 1 liter to pints Sep 17 20:52:02 ciao Sep 17 20:54:35 Hi all! Sep 17 20:55:15 greets Sep 17 20:56:25 I'm looking for help... My N800 does does not sound Sep 17 20:57:05 I can hear FM radio.. but when I play videos o music.. it does not sound... Sep 17 20:57:34 I have been lookging in google an forums for 2 days.. but found nothing Sep 17 20:57:41 there's a separate volume control for that Sep 17 20:57:47 in the player itself Sep 17 20:58:03 <[31d1]> WHY SEPARATE KNOB....WHYYY Sep 17 20:58:09 why not? Sep 17 20:58:16 <[31d1]> (seinfeld reference) Sep 17 20:58:31 lle2: yes.. the volume is in at max, the global, the fmradio and the video player Sep 17 20:58:38 it's good to have multiple knobs to tweak Sep 17 20:58:57 well... then you have a real problem Sep 17 21:00:44 I can't help with those :( Sep 17 21:00:56 lle2: it IS very weird.. because I found threads that say that they cannot hear the fmradio, but everything else works.. but mine is opposite Sep 17 21:01:13 Have you tried a cold boot? Sep 17 21:01:20 ok... anyone else? i'm very desesperate Sep 17 21:01:22 alterego: yes Sep 17 21:01:27 warm hammer might be better Sep 17 21:01:28 reboot, reflash... Sep 17 21:01:32 :) Sep 17 21:01:41 You reflashed it and it still didn't work? Sep 17 21:01:52 Crap .. That was my next idea ^_^ Sep 17 21:02:01 alterego: yes... Sep 17 21:02:05 :/ Sep 17 21:02:58 maybe there's an undocumented mute feature Sep 17 21:04:27 O_o Sep 17 21:05:02 He says he can hear the radio, so you're using head phones for that. What about whilst watching video or listening to audio? Sep 17 21:05:15 Does the FM radio produce static out of the loudspeakers? Sep 17 21:10:21 Hello and good night! Sep 17 21:10:32 At last I have an N800 :) Sep 17 21:11:06 stupid connection :( Sep 17 21:11:17 Hello, str :) Sep 17 21:11:27 so... again.... no one knows what could be with my sound :'( Sep 17 21:15:51 Sorry :/ Sep 17 21:15:52 Hi there, I'm curious if my Nokia LD-3W has compat issues with maemo mapper - it is constantly stuck at establishing gps fix screen... any ideas? Sep 17 21:16:28 Is there a way to see if correct channel is being used, or a place to modify it? Sep 17 21:20:02 dunno sorry Sep 17 21:20:11 got a simpler question/ Sep 17 21:20:12 ? Sep 17 21:20:15 Hah Sep 17 21:20:23 :) Sep 17 21:20:26 dk00, how long have you had the device? Sep 17 21:21:01 str_: do you get system sounds? i.e. when starting up? Sep 17 21:22:07 heh, alterego both are newly acquired. Sep 17 21:22:17 ive updated the 770 with latest software... Sep 17 21:22:29 2006 3.xxx Sep 17 21:22:40 Oh, I was talking to str sorry :) Sep 17 21:22:50 ahh, help! Sep 17 21:23:04 Hmm .. Sep 17 21:23:08 is there more specific nokia 770 support chane? Sep 17 21:23:20 Well, I know a bit about BT and a bit about GPS. But unfortunately I've never used my N800 with a GPS :/ Sep 17 21:23:26 So I can't help you I'm afriad. Sep 17 21:23:28 damn. Sep 17 21:23:28 Oh wait. Sep 17 21:23:34 waiting... :) Sep 17 21:23:35 Do you have a console? Sep 17 21:23:45 ah, yes i can install xterm Sep 17 21:24:11 after flash all is gone, so need toreinstall Sep 17 21:24:25 * alterego tries to remember how these things work .. Sep 17 21:25:00 is there a way to see further details when a 'package is incompatible with current software' Sep 17 21:25:07 these messages are so damn vague Sep 17 21:25:53 Urm .. Sep 17 21:26:02 There should be a dep list. Sep 17 21:27:02 there's a log in the app manager Sep 17 21:27:19 Oh wow .. I wasn't expecting that .. Sep 17 21:27:29 aha, thanks pupnik Sep 17 21:27:32 I didn't realise the status bar would expand downwards ^_^ Sep 17 21:27:57 section: user/FOO must have user to be compatible] Sep 17 21:28:08 while trying to install downloaded .deb of osso-xterm Sep 17 21:28:16 the packager made a mistake then Sep 17 21:28:24 yikes Sep 17 21:28:27 can edit package? Sep 17 21:28:51 but i think you might have found an outdated version Sep 17 21:28:58 hmm Sep 17 21:28:59 cause those mistakes get fixed fast Sep 17 21:29:09 is there a main repository to access? Sep 17 21:29:16 xterm? Sep 17 21:29:17 <_Monkey> hmmm... xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard Sep 17 21:29:17 to acquire these apps? Sep 17 21:29:35 thanks Sep 17 21:29:36 osso-xterm is what I use on my N800 and 770 Sep 17 21:30:20 is there an app catalog for that? Sep 17 21:30:42 looks like osso-xterm-advanced should be in the default repository Sep 17 21:31:48 Filename: pool/maemo2.2/free/o/osso-xterm/osso-xterm_0.13_armel.deb Sep 17 21:32:01 section: maemo/Applications hrm?! Sep 17 21:32:16 guess it's not in user section... oh well - that's the xterm I gots Sep 17 21:32:22 thanks. Sep 17 21:33:14 altergo, what did u suggest i check when i access console Sep 17 21:33:24 Right, can you get root? Sep 17 21:33:30 Oh wait, you might not have too. Sep 17 21:34:10 No, you shouldn't need root. Sep 17 21:34:19 ok... Sep 17 21:34:24 Right, exec: hcitool con Sep 17 21:34:28 When the application is running. Sep 17 21:34:36 That should tell you if you're connected to the device or not. Sep 17 21:35:36 mmapper tells me the device is connected Sep 17 21:35:52 Well what did you want to know then? Sep 17 21:36:11 it is stuck at establishing gps fix Sep 17 21:36:25 i was wondering if there are some channels that could be not correctly configured Sep 17 21:36:34 What channels? Sep 17 21:36:38 Bluetooth channels? Sep 17 21:36:49 yes Sep 17 21:36:59 any hardware settings in other words Sep 17 21:37:01 If it's connected then it's connected. Sep 17 21:37:16 You can always check to see if there's a /dev/rfcomX entry Sep 17 21:37:25 <[31d1]> have you tried it outside? so you can actually get a gps fix? Sep 17 21:37:34 momment, installing xerm Sep 17 21:37:40 xterm. Sep 17 21:37:41 <_Monkey> i heard xterm was the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard Sep 17 21:38:03 That could get annoying .. Sep 17 21:38:09 ruby Sep 17 21:38:19 _Monkey doesn't know ruby :( Sep 17 21:38:20 <_Monkey> alterego: excuse me? Sep 17 21:38:25 You heard. Sep 17 21:38:27 lol Sep 17 21:39:02 hcitool con outputs a connection Sep 17 21:39:18 < ACL xxmacxx handle 1 state 1 1m MASTER Sep 17 21:39:33 oohhhhh what is going on here! Sep 17 21:39:38 3/12 sats Sep 17 21:39:49 but no fix still, progress bar moved though. Sep 17 21:39:58 something is getting better! Sep 17 21:40:27 how sensitive is the gps unit to obstructions,... walls. buildings in area? Sep 17 21:40:32 (first gps unit) Sep 17 21:41:06 <[31d1]> mine has a hard time getting a fix unless im really outside Sep 17 21:41:13 <[31d1]> i.e not out of the window Sep 17 21:41:25 i see.. i got this building right beside me Sep 17 21:41:26 <[31d1]> in the car is not bad, but indoors is bad Sep 17 21:41:28 and im inside as well. Sep 17 21:41:37 thanks, 12 sats in view Sep 17 21:41:38 3 in use Sep 17 21:41:43 but still hasnt "fixed" Sep 17 21:41:46 if that is the term Sep 17 21:41:48 <[31d1]> yeah you're just obstructed Sep 17 21:41:55 <[31d1]> go outside and it will work fine im sure Sep 17 21:41:58 ahh, outside for a smoke Sep 17 21:41:59 brb ;) Sep 17 21:42:08 damn swedish rain Sep 17 21:42:58 <[31d1]> better swedish rain than raining swedish meatballs, is what i always say Sep 17 21:45:21 <[31d1]> the quality of your rain is more than made up for by the quality of your bikini team Sep 17 21:48:44 Did you try openssh-server on your N800, people? Sep 17 21:54:44 back, that was pretty cool it finally worked Sep 17 21:54:55 even auto downloaded some map Sep 17 21:55:04 though the street i am on is not there Sep 17 21:55:24 and oddly enough, it was detecting my smoke break at 7.1km/hr lol Sep 17 21:55:30 <[31d1]> heh Sep 17 21:55:38 back inside the building, 0/9 sats lot signal Sep 17 21:55:39 <[31d1]> 'a quick smoke'' Sep 17 21:55:51 i thought they were better.. Sep 17 21:55:58 sirf iii Sep 17 21:56:10 <[31d1]> nah - cellphone ones work inside cause they do assisted gps afaik Sep 17 21:56:19 interesting Sep 17 21:56:28 <[31d1]> ie triangulate from towers Sep 17 21:56:31 assisted by gsm perhaps? Sep 17 21:56:39 yep, makes sense to me Sep 17 21:56:55 <[31d1]> im just glad it works through the car roof and in my pocket Sep 17 21:57:24 must be, because a friends blackberry was doing gps with no problems in a basement Sep 17 21:57:45 <[31d1]> yeah Sep 17 21:57:49 hah, the red "route" it drew is a funny scribble Sep 17 21:57:56 though i wasnt moving Sep 17 21:58:22 ok, so... thats figured out Sep 17 21:58:29 what are some interesting apps for this 770 Sep 17 21:58:32 <[31d1]> yeah it'll be off a bit at high zoom. works surprisingly well when driving Sep 17 21:58:53 is there a good place to aquire higher detailed maps? Sep 17 21:59:05 integrating directions, poi etc Sep 17 21:59:16 <[31d1]> you gotta look around for 'repositories' thats about all you get though Sep 17 21:59:34 ok, thanks Sep 17 21:59:48 <[31d1]> theres a googlemaps->gpx convertor at gnuite/maemo-mapper site Sep 17 21:59:50 * pupnik hates nls Sep 17 22:00:01 <[31d1]> so you can convert directions to a route Sep 17 22:00:46 nice, gpx sounds cool Sep 17 22:01:00 what kind of maps are compatible? is there a standard? Sep 17 22:03:46 <[31d1]> i think he adds new ones as people find them - the standard is a url with exactly 3 variables in order x y and zoom Sep 17 22:03:59 <[31d1]> but some munging is required for each one i think Sep 17 22:04:20 <[31d1]> internettablettalk has threads with different map urls Sep 17 22:04:26 <[31d1]> that work Sep 17 22:04:53 <[31d1]> you gotta poke around to find them cause i guess its a bit of a legal gray area Sep 17 22:05:00 cool thanks Sep 17 22:05:09 itt is the "main" forum? Sep 17 22:06:51 yeah Sep 17 22:07:33 great, thanks guys Sep 17 22:07:47 now time to unlock this nokia 6300 bb5... grrr Sep 17 22:14:14 UAE is frustrating Sep 17 22:15:44 * pupnik prays the next nokia tablet has OpenGL Sep 17 22:17:24 hmmm opengl?? Sep 17 22:18:04 yeah, it's pretty uncertain since opengl isn't central to the purpose of the tablet Sep 17 22:18:52 but... just one nice application - arbitrary scaling for 2D emulators/games Sep 17 22:19:13 also much faster compositing/transparency for 2D games and apps Sep 17 22:31:08 is there an strace for the tablet? Sep 17 22:31:18 oh duh yes Sep 17 22:45:06 god bless strace Sep 17 22:48:31 hi beavis Sep 17 23:28:19 Ruby maemo is now packaged :) Sep 17 23:28:46 nice Sep 17 23:29:09 * alterego uploads uploads uploads! Sep 17 23:29:22 for web work? Sep 17 23:29:40 No, hildon bindings .. Sep 17 23:29:44 For creating GUI apps. Sep 17 23:30:45 Just gotta do some finishing touches to my maemo website and it'll be open for business :) Sep 17 23:31:49 http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk Sep 17 23:32:22 great! another language for the tablets Sep 17 23:33:08 :)_ Sep 17 23:33:35 Once I've uploaded the API docs too and a bit of text describing the stuff I'll advertise it on the mailing list. Sep 17 23:33:42 Right now though, it's all there ready to be used :) Sep 17 23:34:11 I build that site and cleaned up all the source. As well as learned and packaged all of the packages O_O Sep 17 23:34:15 It's been quite a day. Sep 17 23:34:36 I even put little icons on all of the packages in the application installer :) Quite proud of those ^_^ Sep 17 23:39:17 cool... Sep 17 23:39:22 i have to do that too Sep 17 23:39:39 are there any menu-launchable applications then? or just command-line? Sep 17 23:41:26 very productive day then alterego congratulations Sep 17 23:41:48 Just command line. There's no libosso bindings yet., Sep 17 23:41:52 That is my next tast. Sep 17 23:41:54 ~task Sep 17 23:42:06 So can't add apps to the application launcher. Sep 17 23:42:22 But the hildon bindings work a treat. I've wrote a few GUI apps and examples. Sep 17 23:43:30 I've been using the osso-graph-applet as a launcher menu for my ruby apps so far. Sep 17 23:45:15 interesting Sep 17 23:45:30 no understanding here - i am always in sdl-land Sep 17 23:45:36 :) Sep 17 23:45:44 I'll make ruby SDL bindings too ;) Sep 17 23:46:06 I'm going to single handedly show those Python boyz who's boss :P Sep 17 23:46:16 hehe Sep 17 23:47:26 I do have some plans for my ruby-maemo ports. Sep 17 23:49:34 i've met a couple of smart people who love ruby Sep 17 23:49:55 Yup, they sound smart. :D Sep 17 23:49:56 * kupesoft waits for a new cx3110x driver that has packet injection Sep 17 23:50:10 Did you not say that earlier? Sep 17 23:51:03 I think kupesoft really wants those cx3110x packet injector enabled driverz. Sep 17 23:51:11 Yeah. Sep 17 23:51:11 I did. Sep 17 23:51:13 And I do. Sep 17 23:52:03 :) Sep 17 23:56:08 maybe you can organize some sponsors for development Sep 17 23:56:47 Hmm. Sep 17 23:56:49 Didn't have time to do anything on the mailing list. Sep 17 23:56:54 I still need to get my hub and/or storage cards. Sep 18 00:16:18 wormux wants 109 MB RAM Sep 18 00:16:27 >_< Sep 18 00:16:50 * Deformati wants 109mb of ram Sep 18 00:16:51 :) Sep 18 00:18:13 what to do what to do... Sep 18 00:18:54 Try to compile onboard gcc Sep 18 00:19:15 i thought that was done already Sep 18 00:19:32 Yeah, but no directions. Sep 18 00:19:35 And it is 3.44 Sep 18 00:19:40 Which is sucky. Sep 18 00:19:45 I want 4.1.2 Sep 18 00:20:07 NOT 4.2 Sep 18 00:20:40 what happens when you build gcc in scratchbox? Sep 18 00:21:02 Missing file. Sep 18 00:21:16 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-ar: libgcc/./_udivsi3.o: No such file or directory Sep 18 00:21:42 hmm chicken-and-egg problem perhaps Sep 18 00:21:54 Not really. Sep 18 00:22:04 Just scratchbox suckage problem. Sep 18 00:22:05 :) Sep 18 00:25:12 If I had more storage I could _try_ to compile it right on the nokia. Sep 18 00:25:17 I guess I could try with nfs or something.. Sep 18 00:27:38 hello Sep 18 00:27:39 all Sep 18 00:28:27 k, so i downloaded avot mv for my ppc6700, and notice that it plays youtube videos much better than my N800. Sep 18 00:28:57 I should theme my nokia 770 Sep 18 00:29:00 possibel to run wm6 on my N800 ;) Sep 18 00:29:13 "Love is like a snowmobile, racing across the tundra. You're speeding along happily, but then suddenly it flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." Sep 18 00:29:28 finally i find out where iceweasel comes from Sep 18 00:30:16 hey unique311 ... you seem to have a lot of fun toys :/ Sep 18 00:30:50 yeah Sep 18 00:31:02 the ppc is really nice. Sep 18 00:31:16 was my fav before the N800. Sep 18 00:31:28 but lately been using the ppc more than the N800 Sep 18 00:36:18 I just left avot media feedback requesting a nokia client. its a free software, hopefully someone over there has a heart. Sep 18 00:36:32 so anyone a proud owner of an itouch yet? Sep 18 00:43:34 Nope Sep 18 00:43:42 do you want to test pingus or wormux? Sep 18 00:44:00 they're both too big for me to host right now Sep 18 00:56:07 pingus or wormux Sep 18 00:56:16 my tablet sucks right now.. Sep 18 00:56:46 i have to reflash, but not touching so i don't have to anytime soon. Sep 18 01:41:50 Tomorrow I will hopefully have time to join the mailing list and get some halp. Sep 18 01:41:58 But now, I need sleep. Sep 18 01:41:59 o/ Sep 18 02:15:23 unique311: both are too bloated to run well on the 770 unfortunately Sep 18 02:18:31 whats the game of the turn? Sep 18 02:19:00 how big? both? Sep 18 02:19:29 I'll try when i set up my sd card for dual boot. Sep 18 02:26:07 ok well wormux seems to need about 109 MB *ram* Sep 18 02:26:20 and pingus at about 65 MB Sep 18 02:41:16 anybody wants to test the new kagu before we upload it to the repositories? Sep 18 02:41:37 huge changelog: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=898 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 18 02:59:59 2007