**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 18 02:59:59 2007 Sep 18 03:17:47 disq: I'll test Sep 18 03:20:24 can get it from https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=304 :) Sep 18 03:20:31 erm, the kagu project garage page that is Sep 18 03:52:47 night Sep 18 03:55:45 ww Sep 18 03:55:50 disq Sep 18 03:55:55 nice Sep 18 03:56:10 the colors rock Sep 18 03:59:26 unique311: what colors? Sep 18 03:59:27 <_Monkey> colors are not coming to me. Sep 18 03:59:37 take more LSD Sep 18 03:59:44 lol Sep 18 03:59:55 i don't have LSD handy Sep 18 04:00:01 kagu Sep 18 04:00:12 download the new version Sep 18 04:00:28 great job on the gui Sep 18 04:01:13 new icons Sep 18 04:03:03 lets try Sep 18 04:04:21 willing to donate a couple of bucks to you guys now...lol...awesome job. Sep 18 04:04:40 yea much better Sep 18 04:09:43 fancy screen visualization, and it'll be complete....future request maybe? Sep 18 04:21:06 my bluetooth headset still doesn't work with it, so thats a - Sep 18 04:31:46 I'm trying to install maemo mapper into my 770, but can't find the sqlite3 dependency nowhere in garage Sep 18 04:32:02 repositories? Sep 18 04:32:03 <_Monkey> i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 18 04:33:00 thanks pupnik , I'm trsting now the 770 they send back Sep 18 04:33:47 I notice the signal level of the AP in the 770 show very low compared to my laptop.. (I have the AP in the same desk) Sep 18 04:33:58 do anyone knows of any issue like this? Sep 18 04:35:04 i do not. My 770 has reception as good as or better than my wlan cards/dongles Sep 18 04:35:39 the previous 770 had very good reception as well Sep 18 04:35:46 in the same room you should have full signal Sep 18 04:35:52 :( Sep 18 04:36:04 I was in the living room and I couldn't get the signal Sep 18 04:36:23 I had the laptop in the living room also and it was showing full excellent signal Sep 18 04:36:50 i don't know any tricks. maybe someone has info on the forums Sep 18 04:37:39 looks like this is going to be a long night :) Sep 18 04:39:08 i have signal problems but that is because this house is massive concrete and germany limits TX power to 100mw Sep 18 06:18:04 http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ Sep 18 06:18:08 URL http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ Sep 18 07:37:38 Morning,all Sep 18 07:39:09 morning Sep 18 07:39:10 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 18 07:52:46 anyone installed 4.0 beta yet? Sep 18 09:03:25 Hey, does anyone know how to unbreak my theme on sardine? I have hildon-theme-plankton-3 installed, but everything's juste gtting rendered with default gtk thesme, and switching it in the theme switcher doesnt seem to have an effect.. Sep 18 09:04:30 !seen tim samoff Sep 18 09:04:51 any one have his contact info? Sep 18 09:50:24 Is there a document explaining the differences between 2.X and 3.X ? Sep 18 09:50:34 I'm getting a segfault with a hildon app. Sep 18 09:55:17 lo lo Sep 18 09:55:30 how would I go about pairing a bluetooth device with my n800 that has a non numeric pair code ? :) Sep 18 09:56:02 never ran into one that used non numeric Sep 18 09:57:55 O_o Sep 18 09:57:55 does it have a hardcoded pairing code? Sep 18 09:58:23 aye Sep 18 09:58:23 usually the devices let you enter any code you like Sep 18 09:58:26 NAVMAN :| Sep 18 09:58:39 * Nermal sighs Sep 18 10:01:48 !seen tim samoff Sep 18 10:01:51 any one have his contact info? Sep 18 10:03:01 whats his online nick ? Sep 18 10:03:24 dunno ;) Sep 18 10:04:00 Ahaha .. Sep 18 10:04:02 all i have is his blog and i need to email him Sep 18 10:04:06 hum Sep 18 10:06:59 * Nermal installs gconf-editor Sep 18 10:14:56 where is the user .gconf dir in maemo ? Sep 18 10:15:01 tis not in ~/.gconf :| Sep 18 10:23:09 /var/lib Sep 18 10:23:50 maemo isn 't multiuser ;) Sep 18 10:34:53 timeless: ah Sep 18 10:35:18 hmm.. copied an existing bluetooth gconf entry and updated the %gconf.xml file Sep 18 10:35:24 but still not appearing in gconf-editor :| Sep 18 10:51:57 * alterego yawns Sep 18 10:52:02 Almost done .. Me thinks .. Sep 18 10:54:28 Yup :) Now I've got the bindings on mistral ^_^ Sep 18 10:54:53 Not happy about the method mind. I'll have to work on that a bit more. Sep 18 10:55:36 arent %files in gconf are just temp files which are used while saving to ensure that nothing is lost if writing happens. Sep 18 10:59:13 morning all Sep 18 10:59:25 they're the persistent ones afaik but not guaranteed usefully editable if gconf is running Sep 18 12:54:54 is there any API documentation anywhere for the EAL stuff? Sep 18 13:10:47 anyone know what toolchain I want to install for scratchbox ? scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.4-glibc2.3 (as per the wiki) isn't available it seems (no glibc just ulibc) Sep 18 13:11:18 looking at http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/stable/deb/ Sep 18 13:11:37 Nermal: read the maemo tutorials on maemo.org Sep 18 13:12:56 I'm looking :| Sep 18 13:12:59 bloody hard to find Sep 18 13:13:08 I _hate_ the sodding maemo.org site Sep 18 13:15:26 bah - too tired to wrestle with it now Sep 18 13:17:09 Nermal: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html Sep 18 13:17:46 that was a maemo.org -> tutorials -> maemo tutorial Sep 18 13:18:29 now I don't know why they have "tutorials" section, when there is only tutorial there Sep 18 13:40:27 hello. has anyone tried the latest pre-release version of kagu yet? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kagu Sep 18 13:40:41 we need some people to test it before we put it up on the mirrors. Sep 18 13:41:30 Brand new theme, M3U support, a Volume Slider (for sparr), and much much more. Sep 18 13:56:05 trevarthan: i'll try Sep 18 13:56:38 yay! Sep 18 13:57:05 BTW, unique311 made a thread on ITT about it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9832 Sep 18 14:00:41 trevarthan: python dependency fails on N800 Sep 18 14:00:58 is there a way to install it easily? Sep 18 14:01:02 you need python 1.5, yeah Sep 18 14:01:12 python? Sep 18 14:01:12 <_Monkey> somebody said python was at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! Sep 18 14:01:21 there you go. thanks monkey. Sep 18 14:01:38 sorry, python 2.5, not 1.5. Sep 18 14:01:39 pupnik_: hows the wormux port coming on? Sep 18 14:02:47 i think nokia should add python to official repos.. too hard for end user Sep 18 14:03:06 not, hard, just not clear. I agree. Sep 18 14:03:21 argh, pyhton's libsdl-ttf dependency fails Sep 18 14:03:58 what? from the pymaemo site's download link? Sep 18 14:04:06 ok, i have custom flash image, it might be not real problem Sep 18 14:04:25 oh. you a Nokian? Sep 18 14:05:20 cosmo: ask the pymaemo people to simplify the installation Sep 18 14:06:06 trevarthan: no but contractor Sep 18 14:06:09 I don't think they can. It draws from multiple repos. that's just not allowed. Sep 18 14:08:26 and now i broke garage.maemo.org Sep 18 14:09:22 nice Sep 18 14:21:25 Hello. Are there any Nokians around? I'd like to know if it's possible to open up Kagu's garage wiki to editing by the general public. Sep 18 14:23:27 say "gstreamer is a piece of crap" and see if they respond Sep 18 14:23:47 wha! GSTREAMER CRAP! Foo on yo mamma! Sep 18 14:25:38 oh no. why did you mention that disq? I'm trying to let it blow over Sep 18 14:25:52 I want them to like me again. :) Sep 18 14:25:55 why let it blow over. their response sucked Sep 18 14:26:26 yeah, it did. Sep 18 14:26:42 mine did too though. I refused to file a bug report. that's not very nice. Sep 18 14:27:50 it's not a open source dictatorship. you don't have to file a bug report Sep 18 14:27:59 good point. Sep 18 14:30:08 im kinda on the same side as daniel said (if i remember right) - most people on the maemo dev list just write there as inviduals with no corporate agenda . so their responses can good or bad depending on how early morning it is and phase of the moon =) Sep 18 14:31:06 jani: so you're saying that you hate me too, eh? That's sad. I'm a nice person. I just like to make smart ass remarks about gstreamer, that's all. Sep 18 14:31:14 nah, i dont hate you =) Sep 18 14:31:22 i like smart asses. Sep 18 14:31:47 or else, i would hate myself. Sep 18 14:31:51 :) Sep 18 14:32:15 heh Sep 18 14:32:31 I consider myself pwned by gstreamer. I fought the machine, and the machine won. Sep 18 14:32:40 that's why we i didn't make it a big deal on the list, didn't even respond. they don't have to post messages in maemo-dev and inform us of this and that or help us Sep 18 14:32:44 devs Sep 18 14:33:26 trevarthan: sorry, but my office lan seems to suffer some network problems.. can't test kagu :( Sep 18 14:33:52 cosmo: np. you're running a newer firmware anyway. that makes it unreasonably difficult, I'm sure. Sep 18 14:34:18 what i meant really is that, as inviduals people might not be so politically correct all the time and well, ofcourse we should be nice to each other but i guess there's few smartasses on nokia office too =) Sep 18 14:34:22 If anyone *not* running newer firmware would like to test Kagu, please do so. Sep 18 14:35:03 jani: make a smart ass remark (gstreamer == poo), get a smart ass answer. yeah. I did it to myself. Sep 18 14:35:15 ;) Sep 18 14:35:23 that would make a nice message T. "gstreamer == poo" Sep 18 14:35:24 duud! thats karma! =) Sep 18 14:35:44 I should work at ThinkGeek Sep 18 14:36:14 heh Sep 18 14:36:16 love thinkgeek Sep 18 14:59:01 anyone familiar with creating maemo mapper repositories? Sep 18 14:59:11 here is an example URL: http://maps.eniro.com/servlets/TilesDataServlet?id=SE_sv_standard_3_500000.0_58.0_256_128_-14_-7 Sep 18 14:59:53 thanks suihkulokki Sep 18 15:01:14 trevarthan: i got kagu to work now. seems to work :) Sep 18 15:03:29 oh, good. Sep 18 15:03:34 you like it? Sep 18 15:07:22 yup.. i'll try it with my home 770 later Sep 18 15:08:16 cosmo: It does A2DP too, but you have to install that separately, and A2DP doesn't work well on the 770 due to CPU limitations. Sep 18 15:29:24 * Nermal pokes pupnik_ Sep 18 15:34:28 hum Sep 18 15:34:56 any scratchbox users here - I'm part of the group sbox and doing id lists me as being so, but when I run login I get "permission denied" :| Sep 18 15:34:56 * trevarthan goes back to #kagu Sep 18 15:38:02 Nermal: did you remember to log out and back after adding yourself to group? Sep 18 15:49:29 I started a new gnome-terminal but that doesn't seem to be enough Sep 18 15:49:38 it's working in a standard console but bloody bash is beeping a lot :| Sep 18 15:49:43 office getting annoyed :| Sep 18 15:50:17 sudo -u myuser login worked Sep 18 15:55:55 Nermal: i've adjusted menu positions to run in 800x480, but need to find out what is taking up the memory Sep 18 15:56:36 ah Sep 18 15:59:39 just minor sdl tweak 32-16bpp Sep 18 16:11:43 okay, released kagu 1.0.8 on the repositories also Sep 18 16:12:05 disq: like the new release alot. Sep 18 16:12:46 thanks we worked on it a lot :) Sep 18 16:13:07 you should check this out.. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=76194#post76194 Sep 18 16:13:13 have you discovered/used the combos yet? Sep 18 16:13:34 i keep refreshing that thread Sep 18 16:14:03 combos? Sep 18 16:14:18 see the changelog :) Sep 18 16:14:31 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=898 Sep 18 16:28:05 hold thumb at NowPlayingButton and use the dpad for actions Sep 18 16:28:08 don't get it? Sep 18 16:32:10 a2dp, cant get my bluetooth headset to work...motorola H500... Sep 18 16:33:01 do you guys have a supported headset list? Sep 18 16:33:17 or is it suppose to work with all bluetooth headsets Sep 18 16:40:50 not my area Sep 18 16:44:15 but if it doesn't work it's a a2dpd/headset problem Sep 18 16:46:17 it connects, just no sound coming out of my headset.. Sep 18 16:46:29 i know i have the correct mac addresss Sep 18 17:10:02 quetion Sep 18 17:12:03 How do I get Mplayer instead the media player to open m.youtube.com links? Sep 18 17:12:22 everytime i click on a video link, media player opens up. Sep 18 18:47:44 MMPC is a music player frontend by Holger M. that allows you to control a music player on the PC: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/category/feed:a2806a1032cbf00d9e900c81fa8c42cf/ Sep 18 18:53:16 Anyone know how to get the open-ssh server and client into the same install on a 770? I'm having troubles. Sep 18 18:54:57 Also, I've had some interesting troubles trying to get my i-tech virtual keyboard working reliably too - already killed my 770 once (screen lines) and now I'm trying another round of making the keyboard work... Sep 18 18:55:18 The bt plugin is a total reboot driver at this point Sep 18 18:55:49 and doing the connect manually with the hidd --connect command worked once, but, resulted in a mis-mapping Sep 18 18:56:10 the driver thought the keyboard was a boot device!? Sep 18 18:57:06 "One should choose one's bedfellows while it is daylight." -Swedish proverb Sep 18 18:58:44 * DigExorcist thinks pupnik has had one too many frightful mornings after... Sep 18 19:05:36 Just rebooted it again Sep 18 19:05:59 * DigExorcist thinks BT and the 770 just doesn't want to work with bt keyboards... Sep 18 19:07:08 Rebooted once more Sep 18 19:07:29 Does anyone know if the hidd --server is related to the maemo bt plugin? Does the plugin rely upon it? Sep 18 19:10:12 it seems to be all integrated into it2006se Sep 18 19:10:22 earlier i had to install a daemon for bt keyboard Sep 18 19:10:50 there's no way to connect the keyboard through a gui without the btplugin Sep 18 19:11:14 I've just rebooted the thing like 15 times, and only 6 of those were intentional Sep 18 19:14:51 sounds like something is corrupt/instable - 770 should be very stable with fresh install Sep 18 19:16:28 When I do the manual connect method without the BTplugin installed, using "hcitool scan" I find the mac address of the bt keyboard Sep 18 19:16:47 then I do an "hidd --connect address" Sep 18 19:17:11 it seems to paid okay, but then that's where it ends Sep 18 19:17:49 when I do an "hidd --show" I tells me "Bluetooth HID Boot Protocol Device" connected [boot-protocol] Sep 18 19:17:53 really weird Sep 18 19:18:03 This happens on two different fresh-built 770's Sep 18 19:18:13 It's not a corruption thing at all Sep 18 19:18:23 It happened before I sent mine in for service Sep 18 19:18:41 Although, then, it actually worked for a little while, before dying. Sep 18 19:18:52 ok Sep 18 19:18:58 I actually once had the keyboard pairing on demand over 5 times Sep 18 19:19:06 but now, I'm lucky if it works at all Sep 18 19:19:52 thinkoutside stowaway? Sep 18 19:20:13 huh? that a different kind of keyboard? Sep 18 19:20:22 that's my kbd Sep 18 19:21:24 i have a fresh install without bt configured Sep 18 19:22:03 but that keyboard lacks to ultimate cool factor that the i-tech has Sep 18 19:22:38 at least now I'm getting accurate handling of the keyboard right now, but the return key doesn't work - kind tough on shell sessions Sep 18 19:22:55 hcitool scan Sep 18 19:22:56 ctrl-m works though Sep 18 19:23:08 00:19:15:0A:21:55 Think Outside Keyboard Sep 18 19:24:09 hidd --list Sep 18 19:24:24 for return key you might have to do maemo-gtk-im-switch xim then restart xterm? not sure Sep 18 19:24:52 ok that shows nothing - no hid kbd defined Sep 18 19:25:02 00:0D:3C:40:86:E9 Bluetooth HID Boot Protocol Device [00:00:0000] connected [boot-protocol] Sep 18 19:25:10 ah good 4 you Sep 18 19:25:23 why is a keyboard showing as boot device? Sep 18 19:27:45 anyone here using OpenVPN who might be able to help me? Sep 18 19:28:06 need my keyboard before I go there, and then it'll be pptp for me Sep 18 19:30:35 DigExorcist, when your 770 got screwed (screen lines) you send it back for replacement? Sep 18 19:30:58 yep - had coverage from Nokia since it was a new purcahse about a month ago via a vendor or ebay Sep 18 19:31:18 that is, a vendor on ebay Sep 18 19:31:52 I also subsequently purchase a 3-year SquareTrade warranty since this thing is too cool to have die for crappy reasons. Sep 18 19:32:25 Nokia took 10 business days to repair it once it was reported as arrived in their tracking portal Sep 18 19:32:33 I got it back 2 days after that. Sep 18 19:32:45 yuck Sep 18 19:32:49 Same unit too - that or they re-printed the MAC address sticker on the back Sep 18 19:33:37 the two times I've had to have my laptop repaired it was sent out, repaired, and returned to me within 3 days of calling to get it fixed Sep 18 19:34:16 lucky you Sep 18 19:34:33 or were you on some non-normal-consumer onsite support? Sep 18 19:34:45 nope Sep 18 19:34:51 just plain ol AppleCare Sep 18 19:34:52 what brand? Sep 18 19:34:55 ah Sep 18 19:37:02 *** Your STL library does not define method container::at() grr Sep 18 19:37:26 does someone here know how i can bypass that configure error? Sep 18 19:41:44 *** Please upgrade your standard C++ library to version 3.x Sep 18 19:42:23 Description: The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 Sep 18 19:42:29 already have it :( Sep 18 19:43:02 pupnik: search config.log for the failing testcase Sep 18 19:45:07 grep failed config.log |wc -l Sep 18 19:45:08 19 Sep 18 19:45:54 ah config.log is kind of helpful - ty Sep 18 19:46:42 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -ldld Sep 18 19:48:12 apt-cache search dld Sep 18 19:48:14 libltdl3 - A system independent dlopen wrapper for GNU libtool Sep 18 19:52:18 Any of you have experience with the maemo-bt-plugin and the i-tech virtual laser keyboard? Sep 18 19:53:50 what's it like typing on that? Sep 18 19:56:43 It's cool when it works Sep 18 19:57:17 for me, I'm a 100wpm typist (computers for 35+ years now) and it forces some good habits, and frankly, it's way cool Sep 18 19:57:38 it does work, but you need to adjust it - out of the box it's a little too sensitive for my large fingers Sep 18 19:57:48 so I have to de-sensitize it, then things are okay Sep 18 19:58:39 i want one too. then i'd be a bar+wlan lizard with that Sep 18 19:59:30 I just want it to work, with the wireless on at the same time, without crashing the 770 Sep 18 19:59:40 the bt plugin sucks Sep 18 19:59:49 doing it from the command line also sucks Sep 18 20:01:20 What apt-get sources to you folks use? Sep 18 20:01:57 I have only 3 lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list file Sep 18 20:02:17 repository.maemo.org, maemo-hackers.org and www.cobb.uk.net Sep 18 20:04:07 And the normal tableteer nokia ones Sep 18 20:04:34 repositories? Sep 18 20:04:34 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 18 20:10:17 <[31d1]> ooooh - dbus-scripts Sep 18 20:22:30 Ugh. Sep 18 20:22:32 Fucking damnit. Sep 18 20:22:39 I purchased a hub Sep 18 20:22:47 But it doesn't come witht he 5v power supply Sep 18 20:23:37 hah Sep 18 20:26:33 need power supply - check this - I've been considering getting one... Sep 18 20:26:34 http://cgi.ebay.com/5V-7805-Power-supply-regulator-gd4-Digital-Panel-Meter_W0QQitemZ150161739655QQihZ005QQcategoryZ50588QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Sep 18 20:27:10 <||cw> Deformati: did it come with a weird dual-plugged usb cable? Sep 18 20:27:27 That'd be used in my USB 16gb card reader / music server project with wireless apache/php management setup Sep 18 20:28:19 ||cw: no Sep 18 20:28:22 All I need now is a combo CF card reader with USB hub Sep 18 20:28:32 <||cw> odd Sep 18 20:28:39 Actually. Sep 18 20:28:41 it might have Sep 18 20:28:42 lot's of 5v pushing things out there Sep 18 20:28:43 I haven't opened it Sep 18 20:29:08 your pc for one, a lot of cellphone chargers second.. Sep 18 20:29:51 Well. Sep 18 20:29:55 I am considering returning it. Sep 18 20:30:03 That is why I did not open it. Sep 18 20:30:35 the weird dual connector ones are the worst, IME Sep 18 20:30:53 they're very hacktastic Sep 18 20:31:14 <||cw> yeah, a lot of mainboards don't supply enough mA Sep 18 20:31:29 I'd rather try to find one that has a built-in regulator, then wire a 6v AA supply to iy Sep 18 20:31:40 <||cw> and to take 2 ports of the mainboard kind of defeats the purpose Sep 18 20:31:52 <||cw> good luck with that Sep 18 20:32:20 With the regulator, it'll work - just won't get more than 650ma off AA alkalines Sep 18 20:32:23 at least, not for long Sep 18 20:33:17 http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=386044&cm_ven=RKG&cm_cat=adwords&cm_pla=Cables&cm_ite=targus_4_port_hub Sep 18 20:33:18 anyone know how get the apt-get upgrade to install libosso-gnomevfs2-0 and libosso-gnomevfs2-common? Sep 18 20:33:21 It is like that. Sep 18 20:33:33 Didn't come with a power cord as far as I can tell. Sep 18 20:34:22 self-powered is the key word here - I have one of them for my laptop - works great for low power stuff like mice, BT adapters, and such Sep 18 20:34:26 <||cw> what are you going to power with it, besides the hub? Sep 18 20:35:00 I want to do the usb hub hack. Sep 18 20:35:12 But I need a powered hub. Sep 18 20:35:17 then wire a keyboard in? Sep 18 20:35:27 Yeah Sep 18 20:35:35 Needs power though. Sep 18 20:35:35 <||cw> just an example, but the reciever for my cordless mouse only takes 50mA Sep 18 20:36:11 I've seen some projects that do this - the regulator is the best power source for that - if you don't wanna build it. Sep 18 20:36:15 <||cw> usb flash take 500 though Sep 18 20:36:29 The tough and crappy part is teh cables don't exist - unless you create them Sep 18 20:37:10 <||cw> grab a project box, a dremel, and a trusty soldering iron Sep 18 20:37:20 <||cw> wasn't someone selling a kit? Sep 18 20:37:48 Then you need to make a USB B socket that wires into an existing hub's USB A socket, wire in power, and use a standard USB mini to USB B cable Sep 18 20:37:58 Oh Sep 18 20:38:00 Holly crap. Sep 18 20:38:05 I just realized,. Sep 18 20:38:08 I fear the project box is a requirement for this Sep 18 20:38:11 The nokia itself has a 5v power cord. Sep 18 20:38:19 at least, I've not found an easy way around this Sep 18 20:38:34 Doesn't look like it will fit though Sep 18 20:38:35 but those wires are too frail to carry the 500ma needed to properly power the line Sep 18 20:38:57 <||cw> Deformati: yeah, nokia's little special plug Sep 18 20:39:04 Also, remember, that the USB power, while providing host mode, will still not power the device Sep 18 20:39:42 Well, I need a 5v 2.6A power cord Sep 18 20:39:44 <||cw> what wires are too frail? Sep 18 20:39:45 Or a different hub. Sep 18 20:39:48 an optimal externally powered hub solution should provide both power for the USB and the device - two connectors, annoyance, etc. Sep 18 20:40:07 The nokia power cord wires aren't that big - they're probably hair-thin inside that insulation Sep 18 20:40:11 <||cw> the 770's charger is rated for 850mA output Sep 18 20:40:24 shit Sep 18 20:40:33 I'd still not fuck with that cord though Sep 18 20:40:46 perhaps getting a connector that's compatible from digi-key... Sep 18 20:40:46 <||cw> yeah, would be a bitch to deal with Sep 18 20:40:50 you don't have a dozen other chargers lying around? Sep 18 20:40:57 we all do, I'm sure Sep 18 20:41:19 If you're building for wired specifically, then get a powered hub to start with Sep 18 20:41:27 it'll be easier. Sep 18 20:41:50 <||cw> I got a car/usb/retractable power cord that has a swapable plug for both nokia charger types, it uses a 1/8" headphone jack with a screw-on lock, that would be hackable easily Sep 18 20:41:53 Just make darn sure the hub has a regulator on-board since you don't want a single glitch hitting the Nokia - or else you'll let the smoke out Sep 18 20:42:00 cool Sep 18 20:42:25 anyone know how get the apt-get upgrade to install libosso-gnomevfs2-0 and libosso-gnomevfs2-common? Sep 18 20:42:26 <||cw> wonder if i can find it again, was a pretty good deal Sep 18 20:42:46 anyone know how get the apt-get upgrade to install libosso-gnomevfs2-0 and libosso-gnomevfs2-common? they're showing as "2 not upgraded" no matter what I do Sep 18 20:43:36 never mind - I think I got it Sep 18 20:43:43 the new apt sources may just fix it Sep 18 20:44:30 ahh -- ssh support at last! Sep 18 20:44:45 now if I can just get pptp to work... Sep 18 20:45:46 <||cw> you'll need a new kernel for that, i think Sep 18 20:46:16 how does one replace the kernel anyway? Is that a dual boot setup? Sep 18 20:47:11 * ||cw shrugs Sep 18 20:47:16 <||cw> I'm sure there's docs on the wiki Sep 18 20:47:28 not really - I've looked Sep 18 20:47:40 people talk about it, but there's no real "how to" out there Sep 18 20:48:35 this sucks Sep 18 20:48:56 I've got some stuckage in apt-get update now - and I have no clue how to get out Sep 18 20:49:54 <||cw> I've found that apt generally breaks maemo, I don't the repo's are very "clean" like debian's Sep 18 20:51:23 <||cw> this is kind of like the charger I got http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-Charger-Kit-for-Nokia-N95-N93-6300-N73-N70-N90-E61_W0QQitemZ200152938616QQcmdZViewItem Sep 18 20:53:39 <||cw> i can't the exact one I got, the store I got it from doesn't list it on their website Sep 18 20:53:49 <||cw> they probably don't carry it anymore anyway Sep 18 20:53:55 * ||cw curses compusa Sep 18 20:54:23 <||cw> only think close to a real computer store in all of St. Louis, and they just had to go and close all of them Sep 18 20:54:28 * DigExorcist knows that CompUSA sucks too Sep 18 20:54:31 Does the N800 support 4 GB microSD cards? A friend of mine is considering getting an N800 and a 4 GB card... Sep 18 20:54:40 What about MicroCenter? Sep 18 20:54:50 There's one here in Denver, and it rocks Sep 18 20:54:51 By googling I find both "yes" and "no" answers... Sep 18 20:55:15 <||cw> Paavo: latest firmware supports 8GB cards, but I hear it's picky about them Sep 18 20:55:31 <||cw> the original firware didn't support 4GB cards Sep 18 20:55:36 latest firmware, as in the latest official firmware? Sep 18 20:55:44 <||cw> that's probably the no's you find Sep 18 20:55:46 ||cw - look for Microcenter - they're much better than CompUSA, and there might be one nearby Sep 18 20:55:46 <||cw> yes Sep 18 20:55:58 IT 2007 OS, the edition with Skype? Sep 18 20:56:09 <||cw> DigExorcist: closest is 4 hours away Sep 18 20:56:26 they're worth the drive, if you're desperate Sep 18 20:56:52 ||cw: So the latest FW is picky just about 8 GB cards - 4 GB ones should work fine? Sep 18 20:57:11 <||cw> DigExorcist: if I'm desperate, I'll order for overnight shipping, it would cost mean at least $50 ro drive to chi and back Sep 18 20:57:28 <||cw> Paavo: that's what i hear, I don't have an 800 though Sep 18 20:57:51 Drop Microcenter a line and beg them to open a store where you are - tell them that CompUSA closed up shop... Sep 18 20:57:55 <||cw> Paavo: so take it as 4th hand info Sep 18 20:58:15 Personally, I wish there was a Fry's Electronics out here... Sep 18 20:58:31 <||cw> DigExorcist: compusa had 4 stores in stl, you'd think could have left one open. bastards. Sep 18 20:58:37 <||cw> yeah, me too Sep 18 20:58:39 They're total tards Sep 18 20:59:12 OfficeDespot is starting to carry parts a little bit - they actually had CPU fans when I visited one a couple weeks ago! Sep 18 20:59:34 <||cw> there's a coupkd small shops that I get by on, but either their prices are a bit high or they have a crap selection... "we can order it for you", yeah, i can order it too, fools Sep 18 21:00:29 Sounds like it's time to open your own store Sep 18 21:01:05 What are all the osso-whatever programs - are they the entire Nokia interface?? Sep 18 21:02:44 <||cw> i would so love to, I see all these store fronts for lease and I'm like "i could do a shop there" Sep 18 21:02:49 <||cw> one of these days.... Sep 18 21:03:53 <||cw> kind of like my day job at the moment though, maybe when the kids of done with school Sep 18 21:04:37 my day job is jail for me Sep 18 21:04:39 <||cw> at least then if I fail and go broke it won't make their life suck, it'll be their problem Sep 18 21:04:44 But there's also plenty of competition here Sep 18 21:05:39 hehe Sep 18 21:06:22 The ssh package can't finish installing, and it's holding up the installation of two others, and I cant remove ssh without removing all the osso packages... Sep 18 21:07:01 <||cw> what's I'd love to do though is convert my employer into a client, so at least i'd have some nearly guaranteed income Sep 18 21:10:23 You'd loose money doing it - taxes are like 50% depending on what you're up to - so you gotta expense everything in sight Sep 18 21:10:39 the cool part is that computer stuff is a write off in that situation Sep 18 21:20:47 crap Sep 18 21:21:01 So how does one erase all the unit config - just reload the os? Sep 18 21:21:17 that is, do the reflash? Sep 18 21:21:58 this thing is borked Sep 18 21:23:30 * pupnik sacrifices a bowl of chicken-ramen to the Nokia Gods to put OpenGL into the N900 Sep 18 21:24:44 * DigExorcist wishes pupnik luck, but he wants that upgrade on his 770... Sep 18 21:25:21 * DigExorcist thinks a hand-held Beryl interface would be tool cool for humanity Sep 18 21:25:37 nah, there's no 3D chip in the 770 Sep 18 21:25:57 yeah, but if they did that, the gods of cool would come down from heaven, and take the hardware away from us Sep 18 21:26:02 hah Sep 18 21:26:20 so who didn't install kagu 1.0.8 here yet? Sep 18 21:26:40 we'll see how much influence the iphone UI has on the handheld world -- if it gets adopted heavily there will probably be enough pressure for Nokia to put opengl into forthcoming tablets Sep 18 21:27:13 a portal would open, John Belushi, Elvis, and James Dean would step out, Marilyn Monroe would grab it, stuff it down her bodice, and they'd all leave Sep 18 21:27:18 hah Sep 18 21:27:21 What's kagu? Sep 18 21:27:21 <_Monkey> i think kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu or #kagu Sep 18 21:27:45 neat Sep 18 21:27:51 the screenshots there are outdated Sep 18 21:28:14 not enough room for music with all my episodes of Boston Legal loaded in Sep 18 21:28:38 http://garage.maemo.org/projects/kagu for new screenshots :) (click the wiki link) Sep 18 21:29:58 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?Kagu%20Features&id=304&type=g Sep 18 21:30:22 wow looks very nice Sep 18 21:31:09 three cheers for the 'scan music?' dialog!!! Sep 18 21:31:41 has anyone tried Spiralfrog.com for supposedly legal music downloadz yet? Sep 18 21:33:13 three cheers? why :) Sep 18 21:33:25 * DigExorcist hates that services like Spiralfrog only work right in IE Sep 18 21:35:11 DigExorcist: agree. disq: early versions didn't ask before scanning Sep 18 21:35:46 ah. we have that dialog for the last few releases now :) Sep 18 21:57:24 Is there a way to have the application manager install all teh visible updates, or is it always a one at a time deal? Sep 18 21:57:55 heh my site is awesome in links/lynx Sep 18 21:58:19 dunno bout that - i always update manually for control reasons Sep 18 22:02:43 whats the best toolbar app? Sep 18 22:02:57 load-applet-run Sep 18 22:02:58 <_Monkey> load-applet-run is what the package is called Sep 18 22:03:27 has anyone ever figured out how to use the rss feed reader on the main screen? Sep 18 22:04:24 do you use sometimes apt-get upgrade? last time I had to reflash.. Sep 18 22:05:05 I just flashed because of apt-get upgrade Sep 18 22:05:16 load-applet-run? Sep 18 22:05:17 <_Monkey> load-applet-run is John Costigan's awesome toolbar applet to monitor cpu and launch programs: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/ Sep 18 22:05:51 osso-statusbar-cpu is better :P Sep 18 22:06:07 oh? Sep 18 22:06:11 ah ok :) Sep 18 22:06:36 wow ... Sep 18 22:06:50 last time I went even further : dist upgrade. same symptoms :) Sep 18 22:08:02 disq - is osso-statusbar-cpu compat with it2006se? It looks more full featured - and i love the clock display Sep 18 22:08:06 osso-statusbar-cpu? Sep 18 22:08:07 <_Monkey> i think osso-statusbar-cpu is better :P Sep 18 22:08:10 hah Sep 18 22:08:29 _Monkey: forget osso-statusbar-cpu Sep 18 22:08:30 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot osso-statusbar-cpu Sep 18 22:09:12 there's a seperate os2006 build Sep 18 22:09:19 not sure if the os2006 build has the clock tho Sep 18 22:10:06 _Monkey: osso-statusbar-cpu can be found at http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu Sep 18 22:10:07 <_Monkey> disq: excuse me? Sep 18 22:10:15 _Monkey: osso-statusbar-cpu is at http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu Sep 18 22:10:16 <_Monkey> OK, disq. Sep 18 22:12:10