**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 25 02:59:56 2007 Sep 25 03:39:00 any insights as to why maemo doesn't have the latest flash version? Sep 25 03:39:10 is it just that it's not ported yet or are there technical constraints? Sep 25 04:12:12 hi all...im trying to install maemo to start learn about it.. ( http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/Installing_Maemo_SDK_on_Scratchbox ) ...ive followed this but i cant see the maemo nice window...here is my problem ( http://paste.uni.cc/17193 )..anybody could help me? Sep 25 07:28:55 Any graphics artists out there? Here are the controls needed for onscreen buttons / thumb/stylus for xu4 Sep 25 07:34:32 Morning, all Sep 25 08:18:05 anybody can tell me "How can i build dev package for n700" pls Sep 25 08:18:31 please anybody help me . Sep 25 08:19:54 How can i build dev package for N700 ? please anybody tell me. Sep 25 08:23:26 Big_B: dev package of what ? Sep 25 08:25:53 for maemo +n700 device Sep 25 08:26:07 dev or deb? Sep 25 08:26:16 oh sorry deb Sep 25 08:26:40 apt-get source to get sources Sep 25 08:26:59 in scratchbox, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b in the source directory to build the package Sep 25 08:27:28 Pupnik : ok Sep 25 08:27:54 I m following your instruction Pupnik Sep 25 08:28:22 Please continue to help me Sep 25 08:28:36 to apt-get a source you will need deb-src defined in your /etc/apt/sources.list Sep 25 08:29:08 just for example, deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free Sep 25 08:29:44 but that will get you sid packages, you might be better off getting older packages Sep 25 08:31:03 ok Sep 25 08:32:19 those commands also make good additions to search terms for google, if you need to read up on more background information Sep 25 08:32:37 porting? Sep 25 08:32:37 <_Monkey> porting is http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_an_existing_application.html Sep 25 08:36:16 ok Sep 25 08:54:38 Hi lardman !!!! Sep 25 08:59:08 hi Big_B Sep 25 09:04:41 Lardman : you helped me a lot , thanks a lot for that. Now i m going to build deb package for N700 . Sep 25 09:04:55 Big_B: Really, what did I do? Sep 25 09:05:11 * lardman is getting forgetful in his old age :) Sep 25 09:05:21 ohhhhhhhhhh. Sep 25 09:05:53 you helped me to integrate libjpeg eith my project Sep 25 09:05:58 with Sep 25 09:05:59 ah, okay Sep 25 09:06:20 glad to help Sep 25 09:06:40 ya Sep 25 09:07:20 Pupnik is now helping me. Sep 25 09:36:09 i am? :) Sep 25 09:37:16 is there any decent calendar (with or without todo) software for a n800, that will sync up (preferably in both directions) with something online? tbh, I've been trying to find the same for Windows for weeks with no real success either :( Sep 25 09:41:52 gpe? flip^ ? Sep 25 09:45:19 pupnik: I'm told that can pull down an iCal file - though I've not explored enough to find out - but I don't think it can publish changes back again Sep 25 10:29:37 dunno - there is definitely room for coordination on better pim/calendar Sep 25 10:29:46 maybe you can join a subgroup of people who want to make this better Sep 25 10:33:16 If I could get my head round developing for maemo, I might put something together. Shame I hate ical though Sep 25 10:33:20 I wish I could do java on maemo :( Sep 25 10:34:01 it's probably not a one-person job Sep 25 10:34:12 well even you know - testing and stuff helps Sep 25 10:34:17 well, yeah Sep 25 10:34:55 before I scheme anything like this on maemo, I need to get myself set up to develop... in theory I downloaded the VMWare appliance that's ready to go last night tho Sep 25 10:35:00 waiting for me when i get home from work today Sep 25 10:35:52 :) Sep 25 10:36:15 i started with the 'low hanging fruit' and then just kept finding more and more of it Sep 25 10:36:50 It's ages since I touched C/C++ stuff though... I'm dreading it a little Sep 25 10:37:10 yeah same here - was about 10 years Sep 25 10:37:47 erm no come to think of it, 18 Sep 25 10:37:50 To think the fact it's about 5 years since I shifted to Java makes me feel old :( Sep 25 10:37:59 18 years ago I might have been playing with "My First Computer" ;) Sep 25 10:40:23 hmm... time Sep 25 10:40:28 yep, it's still moving on Sep 25 10:42:10 so, given i've not even had a chance to touch it yet, would developing for maemo be best described as "a breeze" or "a painful experience", or some other amusing parallel Sep 25 10:42:41 i'll let you know when i develop something Sep 25 10:43:10 i'm just slowly getting my feet wet in sdl Sep 25 10:43:47 but if you want to play with adapting gtk programs to hildon... Sep 25 10:43:57 http://pupnik.de/mtpaint.html Sep 25 10:44:05 http://pupnik.de/touchmegames.html Sep 25 10:44:14 those would be fairly straightforward afaict Sep 25 10:44:40 i did the first hildonization steps for touchmegames with just a couple hours of howto reading Sep 25 10:50:40 yeah, i expect I'll start by trying to port some easy stuff... starting with recompiling command line things, and working up through gtk things Sep 25 11:33:44 flip^: see also http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ Sep 25 11:35:49 ooh, had my hopes up that would be a throwback to my mudding days, but it's just as cool in its own geeky way Sep 25 11:38:35 flip^: heh, nothing wrong with mudding though (: Sep 25 11:39:29 i know, it just seems to have been a dying trend... my mud used to have dozens of players on, but now only one or two look in on it each week :( Sep 25 11:40:30 flip^: oh I thought you meant field hopping (: Sep 25 11:40:38 * flip^ grins Sep 25 11:40:46 flip^: now I see the links (: Sep 25 11:41:01 i was definitely being geeky. something about the atmosphere brings it out of me Sep 25 11:41:07 probably cos i'm stuck at work and quite bored Sep 25 11:50:13 muds ruined one semester of my college Sep 25 11:50:39 :) Sep 25 11:51:04 yeah, i know that feeling Sep 25 11:52:12 hi, after running kismet (and quitting it), I can no longer connect using the connection manager unless I reboot -- it doesn't even search for wireless networks; is there something I can do to fix this? Sep 25 11:57:58 Yay for sshfs! Sep 25 11:58:27 I wonder if this will work in scratchbox .. Sep 25 12:04:31 is there fuse already for maemo? Sep 25 12:05:03 Don't know. Sep 25 12:05:22 I might port it over and package it if there isn't. Sep 25 12:08:33 that would be nice. and then some nice python gui for managing sshfs shares.. Sep 25 12:13:10 Ruby GIU Sep 25 12:13:12 ~GUI Sep 25 12:13:13 i guess gui is (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop, ... or at http://pla-netx.com/linebackn/guis/index.html. Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface. See cli Sep 25 12:13:28 I was planning on writting a "Connect to" like app Sep 25 12:13:41 Like that in the "Places" menu under Gnome Sep 25 12:14:07 alterego: yep, that would be really nice Sep 25 12:14:43 and some tool that you could use to remount sshfs shares if you get disconnected Sep 25 12:15:02 Yah Sep 25 12:15:26 You see .. I was going to use GnomeVFS, but the Ruby bindings for it don't have any documentation at all. Sep 25 12:15:45 maybe even remount tham automatically when network connection is available. there's dbus message for it Sep 25 12:15:58 I guess making a dedicated tool would be fine. Sep 25 12:16:14 cosmo, all good ideas :) Sep 25 12:16:16 * alterego makes some notes. Sep 25 12:17:23 and something to remember passwords like gnome-vfs can do but sshfs doesn't (unless you do keyless authentication by hand) Sep 25 12:17:49 Yah Sep 25 12:17:56 Well, remembering passwords is easy. Sep 25 12:18:12 I'm suprised Maemo doesn't have a universal credential system. Maybe that's something it needs :) Sep 25 12:18:33 btw gnome-vfs sftp support is very buggy compared to sshfs, and only gnome-vfs apps can use it Sep 25 12:18:42 Yeah Sep 25 12:21:27 I generally don't think GnomeVFS is very highly regarded at the moment. Sep 25 12:22:52 idea & integration is very good, but at least the sshfs implementation which i would use sucks Sep 25 12:23:17 and with fuse you can use any application to access mounted shares Sep 25 12:23:19 Well, I've used it a little. I wont now I've got fuse working. Sep 25 12:24:13 fuse's weakness is lack of good gui and desktop integration Sep 25 12:24:28 I've got other ideas though for this app. I was thinking, when I first had the idea. Of being able to connect to two different servers, and copy files between them. But directly between them. Sep 25 12:24:38 like ftp? Sep 25 12:25:56 sp3000, ? Sep 25 12:25:56 <_Monkey> hmmm... sp3000, is this a mockup as well? Sep 25 12:26:01 i don't think sftp supports that.. but you can always do some kind of hack Sep 25 12:26:21 No SFTP doesn't support it. Sep 25 12:26:33 alterego: ftp supports server to server transfers Sep 25 12:26:44 Didn't know that. Sep 25 12:26:47 :) Sep 25 12:27:19 fxftp'ing commonly known.. was used quite commonly to transfer files between public ftp's for the purpose of moving warez Sep 25 12:28:00 Interesting .. Sep 25 12:29:21 but anyway simple sshfs mounting would be excellent for maemo.. you could store files on home server and access them via 'net Sep 25 12:29:38 watch videos over wlan etc Sep 25 12:32:04 Yeah Sep 25 12:32:16 Well, I'm working on it now. Sep 25 12:32:26 It'll give me a chance to test my hildon bindings. Sep 25 12:32:39 The new and improved hildon bindings .. Sep 25 12:40:19 hello Sep 25 12:40:39 Hello pupnik Sep 25 12:46:36 moo Sep 25 12:46:42 baaaah Sep 25 12:47:41 kulve: You about? Sep 25 12:49:48 lardman: yup Sep 25 12:50:12 kulve: you were trying pointer arithmetic weren't you? Sep 25 12:50:19 yup Sep 25 12:50:40 is the dsp memory addressed in 16bit chunks then? Sep 25 12:51:05 I'd assume it would be, as nothing smaller can be used Sep 25 12:57:30 yeah, I think it is Sep 25 12:57:54 (i.e. I would guess so) Sep 25 12:57:57 I suppose it doesn't matter as if I have a char/int pointer, it will be incremented by sizeof(char) anyway Sep 25 12:58:56 sizeof(char) == 1 Sep 25 12:59:09 yes, and ==16bits Sep 25 12:59:22 yeah Sep 25 13:00:53 I finally worked out that dsp_dld sends syslog messages Sep 25 13:01:27 makes debugging a new dsptask a lot easier than my previous "look at the code even harder for the mistake" method :) Sep 25 13:02:33 It's interesting that the tremor lowmem nobyte code still uses char pointers for things, seems to be that sort of assumes byte sizes Sep 25 13:04:16 you mean debug messages from dsp tasks? Sep 25 13:04:38 or some debug messages produced by dsp_dld? Sep 25 13:04:41 no, from the loader itself - when you try to open a task on the ARM side and get -1 as the answer, it tells you why Sep 25 13:04:48 ah, ok Sep 25 13:05:05 I got my tasks usually loaded up ok, they just might not do anything ;) Sep 25 13:05:12 :) Sep 25 13:05:29 I was pulling my hair out getting odd messages in dmesg Sep 25 13:05:35 and -1 from open() Sep 25 13:06:51 I'll add that tip to the wiki page Sep 25 13:09:39 I've decided to strip the asm out of the vorbis task (it's for the C54 and I keep seeing worrying warnings, plus it's caused some symbol errors) Sep 25 13:10:18 but now I need to fix the Tremor CRC routines that were previously asm, so they can handle 16bit chunks at a time Sep 25 13:10:56 * lardman thinks that should be fun.... Sep 25 13:13:51 hmm, no derf, any other vorbis experts about? Sep 25 13:15:06 c55 should read c54 asm, if it's told that it's c54 asm. Iirc. Sep 25 13:15:40 yes, but there are supposed to be things one needs to setup Sep 25 13:15:55 and I wasn't too clear on how that would affect me Sep 25 13:16:24 plus the assembler spits out an awful lot of "check this c55 errata as it might not behave as designed" messages Sep 25 13:17:53 I'm tempted to leave the crc stuff as asm though, and see if it will work Sep 25 13:23:06 annoyingly oggpack_look is one that probably needs to be fiddled with to allow for 16bit char pointers, and is also the asm that was causing an error Sep 25 13:23:21 this instruction for example: FCALLD #L$$SRU Sep 25 13:24:00 produces an undefined variable (or something like that) error for L$$SRU, which is defined as .global L$$SRU Sep 25 13:24:51 curiously this var is not set as far as I can tell Sep 25 13:33:01 http://pastebin.com/d69cceb7b anyone care to take a look and see what effect larger-than-8bit-chars would have on this code? Sep 25 14:14:35 Trying to log in to half/ebay seems to cause some WiFi connections to drop and Opera never completes the login in that situation. Is there a known problem? Sep 25 15:19:31 hello. Is there some place where I could easily check what the gtk stock images in 770 look like? Sep 25 15:21:17 <||cw> other than in the theme packages? Sep 25 15:21:53 Uh oh .. Sep 25 15:21:57 I'm using libglade, but the icons in glade3 look different than in the application Sep 25 15:23:30 it depends on the current theme package? Sep 25 15:23:45 If they're default icons .. Yes. Sep 25 15:23:51 argh Sep 25 15:24:23 O_o Sep 25 15:24:30 If you don't like it, use your own icons :) Sep 25 15:24:55 so, it's not a good idea to use gtk-cancel even if the picture fits my context, since the icon might change to something completely different in a different theme Sep 25 15:26:56 is there anywhere out there that has other themes available for an n800? I have the 4 stock themes, and that's about all i can find for it Sep 25 15:42:31 scratchbox doesn't like being installed into a seperate partition .. Sep 25 15:42:56 Well, more like .. It doesn't like being _uninstalled_ from a seperate partition ^_^ Sep 25 15:43:58 eh? Sep 25 15:44:19 It complains that it can't remove the /scratchbox directory because it's mounted. Sep 25 15:44:19 I suspect scratchbox's bind mounts might interfere with naive uninstalling Sep 25 15:44:25 yep, bind mounts Sep 25 15:54:11 it does Sep 25 15:54:18 don't delete /scratchbox blindly Sep 25 15:55:08 as far as i remember you have to launch "/scrachtbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop" first Sep 25 15:55:31 flip^: i don't think there are much themes out there Sep 25 15:55:54 me either, except some valentines thing Sep 25 16:40:00 does anybody use the maemo live cd? is it stable? Sep 25 16:40:23 or installing the scratchbox in debian/gentoo/slackware would be preferrable? Sep 25 16:41:19 <`0660> at least installing to debian is possible :) Sep 25 16:41:43 <`0660> it always breaks with /etc/resolv.conf but that one is easy to fix :) Sep 25 16:42:10 ok :) Sep 25 16:42:54 <`0660> at least it shouldn't break anything Sep 25 16:43:16 Cool .. I can now ssh into my tablet as 'user' :) Sep 25 17:44:16 Connect to a Samba share from your n770. Is it possible? Sep 25 17:45:01 Troseph, with fuse. YES! Sep 25 17:45:06 :) Sep 25 17:45:11 I'll upload the packages shortly :) Sep 25 17:45:20 Sweet. Now how do I do it. :) Sep 25 17:45:28 Wait for my packages :) Sep 25 17:45:32 Sounds good Sep 25 17:45:45 i less than three you alterego Sep 25 17:46:16 Sorry? Sep 25 17:46:25 lol <3 Sep 25 17:46:37 Oh., haha Sep 25 17:46:41 * alterego blushes Sep 25 17:52:19 Oh, you want it on the n770 Sep 25 17:52:29 I'm gonna have to work on that. Sep 25 17:52:54 But don't worry, it should be ready in a few hours at the most :) Sep 25 17:54:02 <[31d1]> why do i already have fuse on my 770? Sep 25 17:54:32 <[31d1]> or is your package for smb via fuse Sep 25 17:55:09 Yeah, someone has already ported fuse. Sep 25 17:55:31 ok Sep 25 17:55:48 I'll wait for your package. Sep 25 17:55:49 But it's for scirocco Sep 25 17:55:59 ? Sep 25 17:56:07 No idea when it was last updated/. Sep 25 17:56:13 I am running OS2007 Sep 25 17:57:19 Well, you could try his packages. Sep 25 18:00:42 whee, got bluetooth keyboard working with 770 Sep 25 18:00:50 now where i can download openoffice Sep 25 18:00:57 Hahah Sep 25 18:01:17 <||cw> OOo is too fat for it Sep 25 18:01:26 abiword? Sep 25 18:01:27 <||cw> aniwrod and gnumeric work well though Sep 25 18:01:30 Wasn't there a port of Abiword and Gnumeric? Sep 25 18:01:34 <||cw> yes Sep 25 18:01:42 Nice Sep 25 18:02:03 I didn't find them last time I went looking# Sep 25 18:02:20 <||cw> they aren't in the downloads on maemo.org? Sep 25 18:02:38 In the garage? Sep 25 18:02:49 indt has abiword Sep 25 18:02:50 I couldn't find it in the Garage when I looked last. Sep 25 18:03:31 <||cw> gnumeric is in the d/l Sep 25 18:04:00 Yeah, I think it was Abiword I couldn't find. For the N800 Sep 25 18:04:11 hm, indt version is for n800 Sep 25 18:04:30 <||cw> abi isn't in the downloads at all Sep 25 18:04:42 Is anybody at Nokia working on creating a tool that will save the installed apps and settings that can be restored after OS updates? Sep 25 18:04:49 Any news on that front? Sep 25 18:05:34 dorto, not likely. Sep 25 18:05:47 :( Sep 25 18:05:49 App data you can backup./ Sep 25 18:05:58 But applications you'll just have to remember. Sep 25 18:06:27 <||cw> you usualy need to install new versions anyway, and not all are available Sep 25 18:06:34 ok, I will get into the habit of noting down the names and the repository links of the applications before doing an OS update. Sep 25 18:06:45 yeah, right. Sep 25 18:06:53 <||cw> is this for 770 or 800? http://www.nl.abisource.com/downloads/abiword/2.3.4/Linux/Maemo/ Sep 25 18:07:26 cosmo: you can run openoffice on a 770 if you forward it from another box ;) Sep 25 18:08:06 flip^: oh ok ;) Sep 25 18:09:37 Ok... with synergy running on my n800, anyone know how can i stop my Return key from bringing up the thumb keyboard (note, i still want the button to bring it up when i'm not using synergy and a proper keyboard) Sep 25 18:12:15 damn.. the abisource abiword does not want to install Sep 25 18:14:38 * flip^ has not tried it on a 770 Sep 25 18:14:55 xand is my 770 guinea pig, but he doesn't know that yet Sep 25 18:15:12 * xand peers Sep 25 18:15:32 ^^ Sep 25 18:15:58 is there a way to make the number keypad on the onscreen keyboard the right way round? with 0 at the bottom... Sep 25 18:16:11 silly nokia getting all confused there :) Sep 25 18:17:14 btw i can recommend logitech dinovo edge keyboard, works also 100% on ubuntu Sep 25 18:17:29 even the volume thing Sep 25 18:18:24 my apple keyboard works fine Sep 25 18:18:35 with some work Sep 25 18:18:36 gah, every time i press return on my (normal) keyboard, even with the thumb keyboard turned off, it brings up the onscreen keyboard rather than doing a character return Sep 25 18:18:47 this makes synergy much less useful Sep 25 18:34:55 hmm, synergy on a N800?! Sep 25 18:36:13 yeah Sep 25 18:36:36 I've now hacked windows to turn Return into Enter, and it works much nicer Sep 25 18:38:44 yep, thats the quick fix i guess. i had the same experience when testing vnc-ing onto my 770 Sep 25 18:39:58 ugh, why is it that some people seems to think that linux will allways be in a "catching up" state vs windows? Sep 25 18:40:52 Some people aren't aware of Microsoft promising to add features which were in Unix. 20 years ago. Well, MS did finally add subdirectories. Sep 25 18:41:48 it seems mostly to have to do with apps, and support for proprietary solutions like ebooks... Sep 25 18:42:54 heh, synergy make me think of the VR5 tv series Sep 25 18:43:47 That's more like the accountants and startup programmers only being aware of MS tools. Sep 25 18:44:05 I wonder how the OLPC dispersion will affect that. Sep 25 18:44:33 good evening Sep 25 18:49:03 SE-Wilco2: i guess it has some execs scared silly Sep 25 18:50:53 The two-week 1-for-2 OLPC activity will be interesting. I'm sure they'll report the number of sales quickly. Sep 25 18:55:39 strange that synergy do not have a keypress remapping system buildt in Sep 25 19:13:26 t_s_o, it would be interesting to know what set of standar key mapping synergy should implement :) Sep 25 19:26:57 interesting news at maemo news. Sep 25 19:27:38 Ooo. New tablet? Sep 25 19:28:59 url konttori please ? Sep 25 19:29:12 Meh, that could be anything. Sep 25 19:29:26 it has integrated GPS tho :) Sep 25 19:29:35 http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ Sep 25 19:29:46 Now that is worth upgrading for .. Sep 25 19:30:00 linux, but not necessarily maemo Sep 25 19:30:14 I'd imagine it's most definitely Mameo. Sep 25 19:30:16 ~Maemo Sep 25 19:30:17 maemo is probably a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ Sep 25 19:30:24 what is a CNC-ID? Sep 25 19:30:32 I think that's GSM Sep 25 19:30:38 or HSCDC or whatever .. Sep 25 19:30:44 thx Sep 25 19:30:51 when was monkey renamed as infobot? Sep 25 19:30:54 It's Midinux, rather than Maemo Sep 25 19:31:08 Hmm, interesting. Sep 25 19:31:14 still Hildon tho Sep 25 19:31:14 Probably not an Internet Tablet then .. Sep 25 19:31:21 Oh, really? Sep 25 19:31:41 www.elektrobit.com/index.php?599 Sep 25 19:32:07 hmm, could it be the wimax equiped spint aimed variant? Sep 25 19:32:27 s/monkey/infobot/ Sep 25 19:33:51 what is that elektrobit device? Sep 25 19:34:02 Does someone have a barcode reader to decode what's in the corner of that label? Sep 25 19:34:05 its the one linked from maemo.org/news Sep 25 19:34:15 which label? Sep 25 19:34:34 The RX-44 label. http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/third-nokia-internet-tablet-hits-fcc.html Sep 25 19:35:20 i don't´think its clear enough Sep 25 19:36:47 nah, can't get anything out of it Sep 25 19:36:57 so, is the tabletblog referring to that EB device? Sep 25 19:37:02 looks really interesting Sep 25 19:37:18 i dunno... i was looking at maemo.org/news... didn't tablet blog til just then Sep 25 19:39:08 that EB device is a oem style device that can be sold under different brands. kinda like how asus makes laptop shells that can be used to create laptops of different brands Sep 25 19:40:15 it's ugly... Sep 25 19:40:21 And has Intel chip and linux os. Sep 25 19:40:28 The FCC filing might have a more detailed PDF of the barcode. Sep 25 19:40:47 i think i know what's the new nokia device, but sorry nda Sep 25 19:51:35 EB device looks expensive but nice Sep 25 19:51:46 if they get a decent user interface for it Sep 25 20:01:29 moblin? Sep 25 20:02:01 as in, the interface seen on a benq mid recently Sep 25 20:06:22 I hope a lot of the people here are working on cool stuff for the next Tablet that they aren't allowed to talk about :) Sep 25 20:07:02 if only to provide some cosmic balance to those of us who talk a lot and don't do much :P Sep 25 20:07:24 heh Sep 25 20:07:31 well there is the games ;) Sep 25 20:08:01 btw, a certain webpage seems to crash mozilla on my 770 whenever i attempt to access it... Sep 25 20:08:52 hi Sep 25 20:11:40 which one? Sep 25 20:12:36 yours i belive Sep 25 20:14:52 crap crap crap. turned it on, tried to connect it to the wifi. it goes into a reboot, and now it does not transision into the load animation! Sep 25 20:15:31 is this for nokia 770 / n800? Sep 25 20:15:45 ah - see the topic - sorry Sep 25 20:16:11 does anyone have a 770 with the hacked OS 7 version? Sep 25 20:16:14 and i had it reflashed not two weeks ago! Sep 25 20:16:52 is it bad? Sep 25 20:17:10 hmm, unplugging the battery helped ;) Sep 25 20:17:27 KungPhoo: my ranting is fully unrelated to os2007 ;) Sep 25 20:17:36 lol. K Sep 25 20:19:10 t_s_o: that's bad. A coupla days ago i changed software.html and links.html to have fixed backgrounds. That may cause problems? Doesn't here (firefox 2.0.0.6 and opera on the tablet) Sep 25 20:19:49 dont know what it is but neither turning of javascript or images helps Sep 25 20:20:21 btw, whats this webcore entry on the "hidden" menus? Sep 25 20:21:08 well a page like http://pupnik.de/pingus.html should work as they always did. So would index.html. But if software.html causes crashes, i'll undo the fixed background hack. Sep 25 20:21:27 If you could confirm that, it would be appreciated. Sep 25 20:22:04 i aim my bookmark at index.html. or in other words, i dont specify a file Sep 25 20:22:54 ugh, thats one confused line Sep 25 20:23:27 the bookmark i had was to http://pupnik.de/ so it would be index.html that makes mozilla crash. opera worked fine Sep 25 20:23:46 what version of mozilla? Sep 25 20:24:12 the pingus page worked Sep 25 20:24:43 microb 1.0.1 Sep 25 20:25:17 Works fine on my N800 Sep 25 20:25:22 With Opera and MicroB Sep 25 20:25:56 interesting, when i entered about:about, i got a error page. but when i enter a url that cant be reached i get a (looped) error message about a missing chrome file... Sep 25 20:26:16 Interesting .. Sep 25 20:27:18 maybe it's the recursive link i had on there Sep 25 20:27:21 removed it. Sep 25 20:27:33 Heh Sep 25 20:27:54 maybe microb does some strange prefetching - i duno Sep 25 20:28:49 dont think prefetching is activeated Sep 25 20:30:09 Where do I get libsdl-net? Sep 25 20:30:09 <_Monkey> rumour has it libsdl-net is http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb (IT2006, but works on 2007) Sep 25 20:30:36 Nice Sep 25 20:32:00 pupnik, libsdl-net on your deps page is broken :/ Sep 25 20:32:10 Erm, the link is broken. Sep 25 20:32:16 ok ty Sep 25 20:32:21 well this was unexpected. when i entered http://pupnik.de/index.html the page showed up fine. but going to http://pupnik.de/ made mozilla crash Sep 25 20:33:22 pupnik, and so is _monkey ;) Sep 25 20:33:36 Could you point me to libsdlnet ? Sep 25 20:34:23 hrm i understand teh problem with the deps.html Sep 25 20:34:33 hmm, im getting very incosisted behavior here. when i opened up the bookmark manager and used that to open the page, it worked fine. but browser crashed when trying to do anything Sep 25 20:35:05 pupnik, the files are not there? :) Sep 25 20:37:17 http://pupnik.de/deps/deps.html Sep 25 20:37:41 Hah Sep 25 20:39:26 the site works great with links, t_s_o :) Sep 25 20:39:53 You don't have a app launcher item :( Sep 25 20:40:06 heh, noted. sadly it cant be integrated into the browser ui, not can minimo Sep 25 20:40:08 you mean .install files? Sep 25 20:40:21 It's not showing up in the application menu Sep 25 20:40:27 How do I run twm? Sep 25 20:40:48 i just install the debs with dpkg -i Sep 25 20:40:55 Yeah, done that. Sep 25 20:41:15 for application menus, i hope to get that done by like . christmas Sep 25 20:41:21 Heh Sep 25 20:41:25 How do I start the game? Sep 25 20:41:44 xterm - or use load-applet-run to run the command Sep 25 20:41:45 ugh, i wish that opera would highlight what link you click on, even if its a image or similar. besides that i dont really need mozilla for much (well, there is the javascript support) Sep 25 20:41:58 Erm. I mean. What's the command?! Sep 25 20:42:07 for what game alterego ? Sep 25 20:42:14 tmw Sep 25 20:42:33 tmw Sep 25 20:42:40 O_O Sep 25 20:42:44 It doesn't work .. Sep 25 20:42:54 ok lemme see if i scerweedded that up Sep 25 20:43:19 ~ $ which tmw Sep 25 20:43:19 /usr/bin/tmw Sep 25 20:43:27 I get nothing .. Sep 25 20:43:51 if you have an older build, it might be in /usr/games/tmw Sep 25 20:44:06 Nope. Sep 25 20:44:30 Oh wait, yes it is. Sep 25 20:44:40 yeah i gotta move that to /usr/bin Sep 25 20:44:46 you can do that yourself, as root Sep 25 20:44:56 Not full screen either :/ Sep 25 20:45:13 hey all, can anybody point me to docs about power management in the Nokia 770? Sep 25 20:45:37 And no way to enter user/pass ^_^ Sep 25 20:45:54 use xkbd Sep 25 20:46:54 Anychance of a fullscreen version? :) Sep 25 20:47:22 it's a config thing Sep 25 20:47:30 Ah Sep 25 20:47:36 but i didn't get xkbd working on fullscreen Sep 25 20:47:45 Right Sep 25 20:51:54 i will look to see if i can get fullscreen toggle going easily/quickly Sep 25 20:52:19 then you can start in window, use xkbd to login, then play in fullscreen Sep 25 20:52:41 Right Sep 25 20:52:53 Can you use the config so you don't have to enter the details? Sep 25 20:53:06 oh yeahh Sep 25 20:53:15 and you can give username/pass from commandline too i think Sep 25 20:53:18 silly Sep 25 20:53:20 Heh Sep 25 20:53:24