**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 26 02:59:56 2007 Sep 26 06:48:33 Hi can somebody help me, I'm very new at this, but I've got a Nokia N800, and I would like it to execute a file at startup, which file should I set that up in? Sep 26 06:53:18 t Sep 26 06:59:45 Does anybody know? Sep 26 07:02:31 I haven't tried it myself, but I'd start by gaining root and then looking into init scripts Sep 26 07:04:36 if there is /etc/.profile on N800, it should be executed at start-up Sep 26 07:06:34 thx, I'll look at that, when I get home :D Sep 26 07:13:51 "I notice the external photos only have a 45 day confidentiality, so perhaps we will see some official pictures some time in November." Sep 26 08:01:13 Morning, all Sep 26 08:01:33 So, lots of exciting discussion about the RX-44 last night? Sep 26 08:11:06 not that i saw Sep 26 08:11:32 just 1 mention and a link Sep 26 08:32:29 Also now the [B]*dpad center button no longer pauses the game*[/B], which was hugely annoying. Sep 26 08:37:44 new Kobo Deluxe build - now with 3% less /suck/. Sep 26 08:54:22 what is the easiest way to get root on os2007he? Sep 26 08:55:10 probably the same as normal os2007 Sep 26 08:55:54 i.e. install becomeroot Sep 26 08:56:02 henno: install ssh c/s and ssh root@localhost Sep 26 08:56:10 I prefer the R&D ;) Sep 26 08:56:46 what is the benefit of the R&D? Sep 26 08:57:13 You can then use sudo gainroot ;) Sep 26 08:57:26 But it's just because it survives a reflash and I reflash quite often Sep 26 08:57:45 sounds good to me Sep 26 08:58:07 i plan on reflashing often, for it I don't break it, I'll never learn a thing :) Sep 26 08:59:47 s/it/if/ Sep 26 08:59:48 henno meant: i plan on reflashing often, for if I don't break it, I'll never learn a thing :) Sep 26 09:00:17 r&d -mode is enabled with the flasher tool Sep 26 09:00:39 For getting root, it is enough to just enable it Sep 26 09:01:31 It's also easier to start up the device when it is in r&d -mode ;) Sep 26 09:05:36 hmm where can I get e2fsprogs for os2007he Sep 26 09:05:43 trying to clone the os to my new MMC Sep 26 09:07:48 henno, deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free Sep 26 09:07:59 cheers Sep 26 09:17:28 morning Sep 26 09:17:28 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 26 09:42:22 no idle speculation about RX-44? Sep 26 09:45:12 lardman: Other than there have been photos of it from june? Sep 26 09:46:10 I was thinking this: http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/third-nokia-internet-tablet-hits-fcc.html Sep 26 09:47:06 Yeah, but RX-44 has been spotted in june already? Just a N800? Sep 26 09:47:46 Well that was an N800 (RX-34 iirc) running software marked as being for an RX-44 if you look at the photo Sep 26 09:47:58 http://bp3.blogger.com/_YOkWwbhy4YI/RlXCFbQvi0I/AAAAAAAAABE/16nzjZZq0CM/s1600-h/DSC00640.jpg Sep 26 09:48:54 I don't know where the boot screen gets its "product" string from Sep 26 09:50:28 might just be wishful thinking on my part though Sep 26 09:51:17 Heh. :) Sep 26 09:54:55 How long before the N800/770 releases were the FCC documents filed? Sep 26 09:57:37 ITOS finds icons/menu entries for apps that don't install menu entries, after several hours Sep 26 09:58:37 um.. what? Sep 26 09:58:39 and how Sep 26 09:58:49 i don't know - i install the apps Sep 26 09:58:54 no menu entry appears Sep 26 09:59:00 a few hours later a menu entry is there Sep 26 09:59:28 * henno queues 'twilight zone' music Sep 26 09:59:51 that sounds ever so strange Sep 26 10:00:01 what kind of apps are these? Sep 26 10:00:08 apps not properly maemoized Sep 26 10:00:53 dosbox, knot's player, the mana world, pingus, gqview Sep 26 10:00:55 perhaps it has a metacrawler-lookfornewbutbadlyconstructedapps daemon too Sep 26 10:01:17 yeah it's funny Sep 26 10:01:26 lardman: haha Sep 26 10:01:30 it installs these menu items which do nothing Sep 26 10:01:56 strange, because it must recognise something about them, otherwise all the binaries in /usr/bin would have links created for them Sep 26 10:02:24 pupnik: you sure there are no stray *.desktop files or something ending up in some obscure directory somewhere that perhaps is not parsed by ITOS for some time? Sep 26 10:02:38 eyah its probebaly desktop files Sep 26 10:02:50 i dunno - it's just funny Sep 26 10:03:02 sure sounds like it Sep 26 10:03:18 well that's odd too, as you'd have thought some kind of "update-start-menu" script would be run straight after the app manager is closed Sep 26 10:03:35 i am no maemo expert by a long shot, but usually there are menu entries, or there are not. None of this disappearing-reappearing stuff Sep 26 10:03:39 unless you installed some of them from the command line, perhaps that doesn't trigger the start menu update Sep 26 10:06:24 ah y-- dpkg -i Sep 26 10:09:48 http://pupnik.de/xu4_onscreenctls5.png /me tries to imagine playing with those buttzons with thumb - too small on 770/N800 screen? i think i can hit em Sep 26 10:10:47 whittle your thumb down ;) Sep 26 10:10:55 pupnik: are you running os2006 or os2007? Sep 26 10:11:25 2006se Sep 26 10:11:36 * henno nods Sep 26 10:12:37 old habits die hard -- i use gqview on the tablet :) Sep 26 10:14:19 what's 2006se? Sep 26 10:16:59 a os Sep 26 10:18:36 but it's different from 2006? Sep 26 10:19:01 nah it's just the 2nd release of 2006 Sep 26 10:19:04 [s]econd [e]dition? Sep 26 10:20:45 so it's probably the thing that was already on my 770? Sep 26 10:27:07 urgh, got to go to the dentist, see you all later on Sep 26 10:27:38 yes toed Sep 26 10:28:16 good stuff, new 2gb mmc arrived today, cloned the OS and all is well.. time to fill that sucker up Sep 26 10:29:03 good morning .~(ugt) Sep 26 10:29:35 hi Sep 26 10:29:36 <_Monkey> hi, pupnik Sep 26 10:30:09 i'm so psyched about the streaming transcoding video archive player Sep 26 10:30:42 http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/knots Sep 26 10:31:24 Pupnik : Actually i need some brief help as i m newbie . Would you like to help me ? Sep 26 10:32:14 how is your program coming along Big_B ? Sep 26 10:33:10 please tell me how can i build a deb package (from very beginning). pls Sep 26 10:35:37 yikes Sep 26 10:36:22 the funniest part is Big_B is getting paid to work on this Sep 26 10:36:49 that would make you a subcontractor then pupnik Sep 26 10:36:50 :) Sep 26 10:37:16 no offense, Big_B Sep 26 10:37:17 what ? i cant understand pupnik. Sep 26 10:37:44 use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b to build packages Sep 26 10:38:44 i think -nc option will prevent the script from running 'make clean' - in case you only change a few files Sep 26 10:38:44 pupnik : i am a university student . and this is my project. Sep 26 10:38:59 ok sorry Sep 26 10:39:38 i have to make proper packages also Sep 26 10:39:58 just avoiding it Sep 26 10:40:05 no problem . You r helping me that is a great thing for me Sep 26 10:40:29 I think a scratchbox is the way to go, but for me, installing debian is not worth the hassle at this point Sep 26 10:49:55 SB doesn't need debian Sep 26 10:50:18 and on windows it can be run in vmware (afaik) Sep 26 10:51:11 kulve: I realise that, but I run arch linux, and it has proven to be a darn pain to get working Sep 26 10:51:16 Interesting point about the RX-44: the FCC filing tests would seem to be against a semi-normal IT OS 2007 build Sep 26 10:51:37 I could of course install vmware, and load the image that is floating around the torrent trackers, but meh Sep 26 12:26:23 i installed scratchbox using the script provided on repository.maemo.org when i installed bora 3.1 sdk Sep 26 12:26:36 now that i want to give chinook a test, do i need to upgrade scratchbox ? Sep 26 12:27:41 i'm worried upgrading scrachtbox might break my existing dev setup, and i would like to code for both 3.2 and 4.0 Sep 26 12:44:20 how about this one? http://pupnik.de/xu4_onscreenctls7greywood1_sm.png Sep 26 13:36:34 Oh this is frustrating .. Sep 26 13:37:51 U failing at something? Sep 26 13:38:02 ruby-gnome2 isn't compiling anymore. Sep 26 13:38:12 Seems it thinks there's a problem with the pango headers. Sep 26 13:38:17 :/ Sep 26 13:38:28 thank you for the ruby work you did Sep 26 13:38:32 I've reinstalled my SDK rootstrap .. Sep 26 13:38:33 it is really exciting stuff imo Sep 26 13:39:05 Yes, I think so too :) Sep 26 13:39:11 herh Sep 26 13:39:31 I've reinstalled bora 3.1 about twice now .. Sep 26 13:39:46 Actually, four times .. Sep 26 13:40:12 describe your problem and maybe later someone or I will have an idea Sep 26 13:40:16 invalid application of 'sizeof' to incomplete type :/ Sep 26 13:40:39 I'm investigating it now. Sep 26 13:41:23 i recall that Sep 26 13:41:33 seeing that Sep 26 13:41:36 It's strange. It all worked fine before. Why, after I reinstalled my system and scratchbox/SDK has it decided it didn't want to work. Sep 26 13:41:53 I'll attempt to google it then. Sep 26 13:42:11 yah Sep 26 13:42:13 cheers Sep 26 13:44:44 I found a page in Japenese that seems to have exactly the same problem ^_^ Sep 26 13:44:55 Thank god for google translator ^_^ Sep 26 14:45:10 Hello, please, exists SDK 2.0 Maemo Live CD ? Sep 26 14:45:34 I have version 1.0 but i think is old .... Sep 26 15:01:29 sparr: you tried the new kagu volume widget yet? Sep 26 15:04:33 kagu? what's kagu? (let's make an educational video? :P ) Sep 26 15:05:22 thefull, the live cd is still for 1.1 only I guess Sep 26 15:05:45 how to install the volume widget in kagu? Sep 26 15:06:27 yes dorto... Sep 26 15:06:48 but 1.1 is old.. Sep 26 15:07:08 Interent create one Live CD for platform 2.0 SDK. Sep 26 15:07:47 is it? I don't know of a live cd for 2.0 version. where is it? Sep 26 15:08:50 the latest is 0.5.1a and it contains maemo 1.1 : http://cdprojekte.mattiasschlenker.de/Public/Maemo_Live/0.5a/ Sep 26 15:09:53 Yes, i think not exist live cd for 2.0.... Sep 26 15:10:50 I'd like exists live Cd 2.0. Why not maemo plattform create new Live CD ? Sep 26 15:14:27 <||cw> there's a vmware appliance for it though right? Sep 26 15:14:48 <||cw> I'd rather have a vm than a live cd any day Sep 26 15:17:35 how can I get gtk_paint_box to render a push button in the Hildon style? Sep 26 15:25:19 where is the vmware image of latest maemo sdk image? Sep 26 15:45:08 hi :D Sep 26 15:52:51 Grrrr .. Sep 26 15:55:03 <||cw> dolske: google maemo vmware appliance Sep 26 15:55:10 <||cw> it's on the garage site I think Sep 26 15:56:19 henno, what brand is the mmc card you get? Sep 26 15:59:54 <[31d1]> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Vers Sep 26 15:59:55 <[31d1]> ion=../../../../../../../../../usr/local/apache/conf/ssl.key/www.adobe.com.key%00 Sep 26 15:59:58 <[31d1]> oops Sep 26 16:01:04 Well .. I've fixed it but I don't know if it's a good fix :/ Sep 26 16:09:19 Woo .. Sep 26 16:09:49 * alterego can finally start doing some proper development ^_^ Sep 26 16:13:43 Okay .. My SDK is severly broken. Sep 26 16:14:29 * SE-Wilco2 kisses the SDK on its owie. Sep 26 16:14:31 Better now? Sep 26 16:14:39 No Sep 26 16:14:53 I'm getting a segfault when I attempt to start the desktop. Sep 26 16:15:41 * alterego install 2.2 Sep 26 16:16:06 Cranky when waking up, probably a lumpy bed. Dependency problem likely. Sep 26 16:17:02 I've been following the instructions to the letter on installing the SDK's Sep 26 16:17:12 * SE-Wilco2 tucks the SDK back in bed and shooes alterego off to tidy up the place before waking it again. Sep 26 16:17:44 Unless this is a problem with pre maemo 4.0 and the latest scratchbox. Sep 26 16:17:51 Maybe it was compiled for something different than what you're running. I hate when that happens. Sep 26 16:17:56 That's the only difference between the setup I had previously. Sep 26 16:18:41 Nobody else is speaking up so those who are present aren't recognizing anything specific. Sep 26 16:20:34 And I'm still at the stage of cramming stuff in my new N800 so haven't tried installing dev tools yet. Sep 26 16:20:57 :) Sep 26 16:40:52 is there already a vmware image of chinook sdk? Sep 26 16:59:00 * |R is waiting for his new N800 to arrive ... Sep 26 17:22:31 is there any way to make applications launch in fullscreen mode? Sep 26 17:24:07 <[31d1]> if you can run kde on 770/800 why can't you set up a boot that just runs a kernel and a (real) web browser Sep 26 17:24:58 It's possible, but good luck with that one. Sep 26 17:25:34 <[31d1]> just wondering if that would be a way to get a newer version of flash or anything Sep 26 17:25:50 Ubuntu Mobile looks promising for the 770/800 it should be out in October Sep 26 17:26:21 <[31d1]> hmm Sep 26 17:26:30 Troseph: are you serious?? Sep 26 17:26:56 And I've heard of Poky linux having a full browser. Sep 26 17:27:08 bedboi: yeah Sep 26 17:27:13 cool Sep 26 17:27:43 what the 770 needs is Damn Small Linux Sep 26 17:28:59 heya, anyone know much about the rtcomm beta? Sep 26 17:29:18 i got SIP working with it just fine a couple of weeks ago. then it suddenly stopped working Sep 26 17:29:44 now i just get 'network error' for SIP - the network is fine, and the same SIP username/pw works fine on my laptop Sep 26 17:29:56 any ideas how i could debug it? Sep 26 17:31:28 [31d1]: flash is closed source so dunno how that would help with that Sep 26 17:32:07 lnx^: are you the lnx from #cl? Sep 26 17:32:42 oh, hello! yeah i am Sep 26 17:32:46 ah Sep 26 17:32:56 now, what are you doing here? are you a developer or user? Sep 26 17:33:27 developer, sort of Sep 26 17:35:01 that's cool. i've been hacking kagu the media player a bit too, but not very much... Sep 26 17:57:33 Slashdot links to a story of Linux on cell phones. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/26/1248210 Sep 26 17:59:15 same kind of stories have popped up for the past few years.. Sep 26 18:00:26 the SIP server even sends back "SIP/2.0 200 OK" to the client after registration, but the strace of the rcomm SIP client throws this: "recvmsg(309761, {msg_name(237240)={sa_family=0x20 /* AF_??? */, sa_data="\0\0\240\360\r@\250\360\r@\3\0\0\0"}, msg_iov(236600)=[ptrace: umoven: Input/output error". any idea what could be the problem? Sep 26 18:00:46 first one was... what... motorola * 570 or something Sep 26 18:02:10 wb AD-N770 Sep 26 18:02:19 the motos are insignificant.. Sep 26 18:02:24 hi pupnik Sep 26 18:02:50 the more popular motorolas that run that linux+java thing of motos don't expose linux at all Sep 26 18:03:05 yes this is what i have read Sep 26 18:03:17 dead-in-the-water devices as far as community goes Sep 26 18:04:29 basically the whole article could be from 2 years back Sep 26 18:04:59 nothing has really changed that much in that time with mobile linux as "crashing the mobile party" Sep 26 18:07:20 my whole n800 SIP strace is available at http://pastebin.com/m6fd81963 if anyone has time to look into the problem Sep 26 18:09:26 to even begin to 'crash the party', a vendor has to do a lot of support for a lot of libraries to make porting things easy Sep 26 18:10:04 i think it was very cool nokia even included sdl Sep 26 18:10:20 certainly wasn't part of the target platform Sep 26 18:10:34 s/platform/market Sep 26 18:34:33 good evening here Sep 26 18:34:50 hi guardian Sep 26 18:36:21 what is interesting to you today? Sep 26 18:38:00 i think the most exciting new thing for nokia is knots Sep 26 18:40:17 pupnik: what is knots? ;) Sep 26 18:40:20 setting up myth server is too ugly for me, but knots server is simple Sep 26 18:40:45 well it is a ruby application that is middleware between vlc and nokia+mplayer Sep 26 18:40:59 so it is very simple to define your directories of videos on pc Sep 26 18:41:05 sounds nifty Sep 26 18:41:12 then click on them and see them transcoded to 400x240 on mplayer on nokia Sep 26 18:41:32 <[31d1]> ooo Sep 26 18:41:35 <[31d1]> knots Sep 26 18:41:40 <[31d1]> knots++ Sep 26 18:42:01 and you don't need something big and nasty like mythtv on the pc Sep 26 18:43:04 haha Sep 26 18:43:09 * solmumaha blushes Sep 26 18:43:32 pupnik: did you try the latest version? Sep 26 18:43:39 no Sep 26 18:44:10 i will sometime but it is 'perfect' now... so... Sep 26 18:44:43 added server auto discovery so client needs no configuring Sep 26 18:44:49 nice Sep 26 18:45:00 how the heck ... Sep 26 18:45:10 <[31d1]> link pls Sep 26 18:45:11 you must need to enter the ip though, no? Sep 26 18:45:22 nope Sep 26 18:45:47 http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/knots Sep 26 18:46:25 wb zottd! Sep 26 18:46:43 i should have asked if i could paste that link, sorry Sep 26 18:47:24 np Sep 26 18:47:33 hope someone finds use for it Sep 26 18:48:12 the vlc part will be the biggest issue for most people i think Sep 26 18:48:33 yes, hope they release 0.9.0 soon Sep 26 18:48:34 but eventually vlc will catch up to knots Sep 26 18:48:55 i showed knots to my mom last night Sep 26 18:48:59 it's very easy to setup on os x Sep 26 18:49:06 she could not begin to grasp the awesomeness Sep 26 18:49:13 haha Sep 26 18:49:18 2 fans then Sep 26 18:49:41 she never has touched a computer - just the nokia Sep 26 18:49:45 it is very non-threatening Sep 26 18:50:28 eventually i will cache her favorite tv channels to HDD, wich show indexes Sep 26 18:50:36 <[31d1]> wow that is ***** awesome Sep 26 18:51:04 so she can click on the channel, then the program she wanes (within the last 2-3 weeks) Sep 26 18:51:19 would be nice if someone with bsd or linux and dvb card could test it Sep 26 18:51:37 <[31d1]> dvb card? Sep 26 18:51:49 digital television card Sep 26 18:51:52 <[31d1]> o Sep 26 18:51:58 for live tv Sep 26 18:52:29 for me the stored video is more important Sep 26 18:52:29 <[31d1]> i'm gonna run it on lunix when i get home, but just for divx and stuff Sep 26 18:52:53 k, tell me how it works Sep 26 18:53:06 remember to get 0.9.0 vlc, others won't work anymore Sep 26 18:54:49 <[31d1]> is there a debian repo that has 0.90? Sep 26 18:55:02 yes Sep 26 18:55:21 http://nightlies.videolan.org/#debian Sep 26 18:55:31 <[31d1]> sweet thanks Sep 26 18:55:52 but it had issues with codecs, pupnik can fill you in on the details Sep 26 18:56:17 need to change mp3 to mp2 in the config at least Sep 26 18:57:58 <[31d1]> hm Sep 26 18:58:52 I wonder if gutting a piece of code to stop a compiler error could be deemed as a fix. Sep 26 18:59:08 it all depends on your distro Sep 26 18:59:09 If I really want to fix this I've got a lot of source code to read O_O Sep 26 18:59:17 and what encoders your ffmpeg supports Sep 26 19:00:16 alterego: what sucks is, i remember seeing that error, and i don't remember what i did to fix Sep 26 19:00:38 <[31d1]> well i have 770-encode.pl working ok Sep 26 19:00:52 <[31d1]> hopefully its all the same codecs Sep 26 19:00:58 I think the problem is pkg-config or the pango deb. Sep 26 19:01:05 [31d1]: what is your os Sep 26 19:01:21 your OS on the box with your videos Sep 26 19:04:07 Did I just come and go...? Sep 26 19:05:28 Hmm. My nick implies that. Colloquy on the iphone doesn't give much feedbacj Sep 26 19:06:59 <[31d1]> debian testing Sep 26 19:07:11 <[31d1]> i don't see vlc 0.90 on there Sep 26 19:07:14 <[31d1]> just 0.89 Sep 26 19:09:46 <[31d1]> hmm, there is 0.90 in ubuntu feisty Sep 26 19:11:02 It looks like the problem is it's not detecting that pango_layout_iter_get_type() is defined. Sep 26 19:11:12 So it's redefining it with buggy code. Sep 26 19:13:11 Aha .. Sep 26 19:16:46 I definitely think I'm on to something now .. Sep 26 19:18:15 That's interesting .. Sep 26 19:30:34 <[31d1]> :( Sep 26 19:30:55 Yes, that's the kind of face I'm pulling now :/ Sep 26 19:43:18 hi! Sep 26 19:47:30 dates is asking for evolution-data-server... Sep 26 19:47:38 where do i get that?.. Sep 26 19:47:45 or its obsolete? Sep 26 19:48:12 <[31d1]> im sad face due to being too dumb to figure out how to get vlc 0.9.0 on debian lenny Sep 26 19:51:07 it looks like the proyect is death= Sep 26 19:51:08 ? Sep 26 19:51:18 date's svn last commit is from 2 months ago.. :S Sep 26 19:52:11 hm.. there is a jana branch.. Sep 26 19:57:02 [31d1]: http://www.jbkempf.com/blog/post/2007/05/06/Build-VLC-media-player-under-Ubuntu-Feisty-704 <- that could work with debian if you are willing to compile it yourself Sep 26 19:57:56 has anyone tried bluetooth serial adapters with maemo devices? Sep 26 19:59:20 you can make 0.8.6c work too but without seeking etc and you would have to comment out few lines from the client Sep 26 19:59:38 This problem is like something out of "Alice in Wonderland" Sep 26 20:01:35 <[31d1]> hmm Sep 26 20:03:42 3 Sep 26 20:03:48 ignore that if you can Sep 26 20:13:19 dates: Depends: libecal (>= 1.4.2.1.r554) but it is not going to be installed Sep 26 20:13:21 :S Sep 26 20:13:26 Depends: evolution-data-server-calendar (>= 1.4.2.1.r554) but it is not going to be installed Sep 26 20:14:59 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=77095 Sep 26 20:14:59 :S Sep 26 20:24:27 Oh my god. Sep 26 20:24:36 Why are the worst problems always the most simple? Sep 26 20:37:47 wow, they keep nicks registered a long time on this server, must have been a year Sep 26 20:38:17 anyhow, I just purchased a Nokia 770, any suggestions on what to put on it when I get it? any things to watch out for or tips and tricks for a new user? Sep 26 20:38:39 install kagu Sep 26 20:38:43 ;) Sep 26 20:39:45 so, music player, will it do videos? Sep 26 20:39:53 no Sep 26 20:40:01 canola can tho Sep 26 20:40:50 which is better for music, kagu? Sep 26 20:41:07 cause I've got me some flacs of mozart and beethoven Sep 26 20:42:09 and does the 770 only support OS 2006? Sep 26 20:42:42 no idea.. got a n800 Sep 26 20:42:55 kagu is quite nice.. i install it last week end.. Sep 26 20:42:59 its iphone-ish Sep 26 20:43:23 test boths.. canola is very good.. Sep 26 20:43:43 i use it actually.. stream music from my pc to it Sep 26 20:45:27 can't wait for it Sep 26 20:45:28 :) Sep 26 20:46:02 wow.. just testes out expedite.. canno wait for an application to use thie efl stuff... Sep 26 20:46:39 testes? Sep 26 20:46:46 isn't that another word for testicles? Sep 26 20:46:58 english isn't your first language, is it killfill Sep 26 20:47:01 ;) Sep 26 20:47:57 oooo Sep 26 20:47:57 and go Sep 26 20:47:58 :D Sep 26 20:48:02 Go* Sep 26 20:48:02 hehe Sep 26 20:48:06 nope.. Sep 26 20:48:19 GNU Go will be good if I start to learn Sep 26 20:48:22 ugh, while i love the umpc news on umpcportal, the editors continual hammering of arm is getting annoying... Sep 26 20:48:27 also a good bragging point to a friend Sep 26 20:48:44 is it a video? Sep 26 20:49:03 and I heard you can access cli pretty easily Sep 26 20:49:12 I'm familiar with debian myself and would love that Sep 26 20:51:37 t_s_o, maybe you should mention to him that if he has a mobile phone and pretty much every mobile phone he's owned. Not to mention routers, wireless AP's. They're mostly powered by ARM. Sep 26 20:51:47 Tb0n3, yeah, just install XTerm Sep 26 20:52:00 Tb0n3, getting root is a little harder, but well worth it ;) Sep 26 20:52:41 ARM architecture is da shi Sep 26 20:52:53 RISC ftw Sep 26 20:52:56 :) Sep 26 20:53:00 I'm a big ARM fan. Sep 26 20:53:01 he is aware of it, thats the sad thing. he just goes on hammering about the FIE (full internet experience) and it being based on support of flash and java plugins in the browsers, and the ability to handle ajax based webpages with equal ease to a desktop pc Sep 26 20:53:07 so, does it have aptitude? Sep 26 20:53:24 what about power consumption? Sep 26 20:53:29 and that the only thing that can deliver that is wintel Sep 26 20:53:34 Admitedly JS and Flash aren't that well supported. But Java? Does he even know ARM architecture? :) Sep 26 20:53:54 I'd imagine with better floating point Flash would run okay on an ARM platform. Sep 26 20:54:25 armhammertime! Sep 26 20:54:27 Sep 26 20:54:28 I hate flash anyhow :) Sep 26 20:54:29 there is a thread about java on internettablettalk now Sep 26 20:54:37 Yeah, Sep 26 20:54:48 does the 770 support IT2007? and would it make a big difference? Sep 26 20:54:55 there's a hackers edition Sep 26 20:54:56 damn.. all i want is have some time and play with python-elf.. :P Sep 26 20:55:04 that's the only way of getting 2007 onto a 770 Sep 26 20:55:07 Tb0n3, it's not that much of a big difference. But yes, you can install the hacker edition Sep 26 20:55:07 your not alone alterego, never liked it. so i hope the opera suggestion for html5 gets the green light ;) Sep 26 20:55:13 native media tags based on ogg! Sep 26 20:55:25 there're a few things in the hacker edition that don't quite work the same... it's on maemo.org if you want to hunt for it Sep 26 20:55:39 I would have loved to get a Sharp SL-C3200 but that was too expensive Sep 26 20:55:45 I dunno, Flash will be around as long as kids learn to build flashy websites. Sep 26 20:55:51 and I'll be sure to love the screen on the 770 Sep 26 20:55:58 but i wonder why falsh video crawls inside the browsers, as they fly when loaded directly into mplayer localy Sep 26 20:56:11 It varies. Sep 26 20:56:23 probably depends on what the browser uses to display it Sep 26 20:56:27 hey.. anyone uses gpe calendar? Sep 26 20:56:34 browser uses flash 9, mplayer uses itself Sep 26 20:57:14 can i sync google-caneldar with it?�.. or a ical? can do it with nokia n65.. Sep 26 20:58:49 i think it can do google, there should be a thread somewhere. ical, maybe if opensync can be shoehorned into it, but that requires some terminal work iirc Sep 26 21:00:07 * killfill looking for that thread.. Sep 26 21:02:38 http://code.google.com/p/erminig/ <- found this while reading this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6693&highlight=gpe+calender+google+sync Sep 26 21:03:06 well, I don't seem to see many emulators, only see mame, NES, and GBA Sep 26 21:03:25 well, doesn't quite matter but it would be awsome none the less Sep 26 21:03:39 <|tbb|> hi all, i have noticed that if i start chat with the n800 built in instant messenger, it first disconnect before it reconnects to it again. which means someone drop u a message u get a notify on the "contact symbol" then u hit the chat icon, and then u got dis and reconnect. Is this a bug? Sep 26 21:12:37 hi Sep 26 21:15:06 t_s_o: too bad its just for google calendar... Sep 26 21:15:31 i thought that was what was asked for Sep 26 21:16:11 oh yah.. 50% :).. need to sync with my office calendar.. we use egroupware.. it has a ical thingy Sep 26 21:17:37 is this the best place to chat with the "browser" devs? Sep 26 21:18:08 well i cant help there killfill Sep 26 21:21:09 it uses syncML 1.1 Sep 26 21:21:16 with user/pass and all.. Sep 26 21:21:28 it owuld be very cool to sync the calendar, contacts and tasks.. :P Sep 26 21:21:30 * killfill dreaming... Sep 26 21:33:42 hrmm Sep 26 21:33:52 for some reason syncing, to anything else then google calender, is a hassle... Sep 26 21:34:17 :S Sep 26 21:34:28 i was looking into syncing my phone and my 770 and at best i could find a port of opensync that needed me to go terminal and do some work there to get it going... Sep 26 21:35:25 but then i get the idea of personal sync with google calender. but then i have never liked to hand my "life" over the google. no matter how strict they stick to they "dont be evil" slogan Sep 26 21:35:44 heh Sep 26 21:35:46 yah.. Sep 26 21:35:49 Set up your own PIM suite on your own personal site. Sep 26 21:35:56 and well ive heard google gives info very easily Sep 26 21:36:05 Google are evil. Sep 26 21:36:10 Useful, but evil :) Sep 26 21:36:18 yup. but anyway, i need to sync calendar with the work.. using syncml... Sep 26 21:36:22 hehe Sep 26 21:36:33 alterego: why should i go that far when all i want to do is sync with my desktop computer, mobile phone and 770? Sep 26 21:36:56 t_s_o, you don't have to go that far if that's all you want ;) Sep 26 21:37:04 I'd love to write a PIM suite. Sep 26 21:37:11 Maybe I'll do that in Ruby :) Sep 26 21:37:12 heh Sep 26 21:37:45 Once I've done this stable build. I'll start working on some proper Ruby internet tablet apps :) Sep 26 21:38:00 oh i love ruby. Sep 26 21:38:05 it would be nice to get kontacts (kde) to talk to dates or gpe-calender and my phone. but so far it looks as to much work for me to undertake Sep 26 21:38:06 can help you with it :) Sep 26 21:38:32 killfill, http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk Sep 26 21:38:53 I maintain the ruby port and bindings for Maemo :) Sep 26 21:40:11 Hi, is there any experiences about extend the root fs on IT06He? Sep 26 21:40:27 * killfill bookmarking.. :) Sep 26 21:40:31 xeos, you can always dual boot with an MMC card :) Sep 26 21:40:54 killfill, the site is pretty crappy at the moment. I'd like to stick a development RSS feed up there. Sep 26 21:41:06 So people can subscribe to the updates. Maybe a repository too. Sep 26 21:41:13 yah.. would be cool Sep 26 21:41:23 (debian repositiory) I've already setup an SVN repo. Sep 26 21:41:31 ill put an eye on your site. Sep 26 21:41:32 alterego: thanks for you response, I will take a look Sep 26 21:42:14