**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 28 02:59:56 2007 Sep 28 03:00:21 It had this really trippy colorful path leading from the sun out to each of the planets, with a few words describing them Sep 28 03:00:43 wow i haven't thought about that book in decades Sep 28 03:01:10 memories Sep 28 03:29:34 <|R> does anyone know if a bluetooth headset will be supported with the newly announced pure SIP client? :) Sep 28 03:33:53 im looking in the gconf editor for something to configure the file select dialog Sep 28 03:34:31 getting warmer? Sep 28 03:35:00 i would prefer for it to start in detail list mode, rather then thumbnail mode Sep 28 03:38:47 hi all Sep 28 03:39:51 I' am having the following error: Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! Sep 28 03:40:38 when I execute af-sb-init.sh Sep 28 03:41:05 any clue? Sep 28 03:50:18 "HildonFileSelection uses HildonFileSystemModel as its data store. Multiple file selections can share a common data model. This reduces memory consumption and loading times. This approach is used in HildonFileChooserDialog." Sep 28 03:50:22 http://maemo.org/api_refs/2.1/hildon-docs/fm-html/hildon-fm-HildonFileSelection.html Sep 28 03:53:52 http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/reference/hildon-fmmm/html/classHildon_1_1FileSelection.html#a22 Sep 28 03:54:10 " Swithces file selection between list and thumbnail modes. Note that this function works only after widget is shown because of Gtk::Notebook implementation. " Sep 28 03:55:30 so the particular way HildonFileChooserDialog starts up is handled by the individual app that makes the call? Sep 28 04:38:20 do I have to install Xephyr inside the scratchbox target to be able to start the maemo graphical environment? Sep 28 04:43:25 <`0660> no Sep 28 07:11:15 with net gconf editor i chan change some osso variables...like what to start, if camera is out...called on-camera-out. Someone knows what to type to get the app "camera" start then? Sep 28 07:22:52 chinook SDK can be used to test code on N800? Sep 28 07:23:18 huomen Sep 28 07:23:40 ta Sep 28 07:24:57 mbuf: I thnk the 3.0 sdk is matched to the latest flash images on the N800 Sep 28 07:25:31 Robot101, i see Sep 28 07:28:04 Robot101, just checked the release notes, http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/unstable/chinook-beta/maemo-sdk-relnotes_4.0beta.txt Sep 28 07:28:30 Robot101, software built with this, will not work with ITOS on N800 or earleir Sep 28 07:28:33 *earlier Sep 28 07:33:37 no one can help me? Sep 28 07:34:06 eichi, what is your question? Sep 28 07:35:07 with net gconf editor i chan change some osso variables...like what to start, if camera is out...called on-camera-out. Someone knows what to type to get the app "camera" start then? Sep 28 07:36:24 eichi, sorry, i can't help you on that; not worked with it, yet Sep 28 07:37:16 damn ^^ :) Sep 28 07:46:02 Morning, all Sep 28 08:06:20 ugh. http://tabletblog.com/2007/09/live-from-nokia-unlocked.html Sep 28 08:06:23 I'm going to go out on a limb, and say drawing attention to the N800's miserable camera maybe isn't the best idea... :-) Sep 28 08:08:07 good morning Sep 28 08:08:07 kinda crappy picture yes =) Sep 28 08:18:11 * Jaffa is in a quandry - most useless feature of a Maemo device: the N800's camera or osso-email... decisions, decisions. Sep 28 08:26:40 yeah, the n800 cam is a mess Sep 28 08:29:52 solmumaha: ping (comment on ITT about a transcoding solution) Sep 28 08:30:35 maybe i know the answer Jaffa Sep 28 08:31:15 * Jaffa wants more info, since he'd not heard of it and was about to start writing his own sync/transcoding management thingy Sep 28 08:31:40 if my camera could focus on the 770 in movie mode, i'd upload a demo Sep 28 08:32:06 you start the app, it connects to the ruby server on pc Sep 28 08:32:48 client gets a list of video categories, you click on a category, client gets list of videos in the included dir (very fast* - i've had 600 videos update in 3 seconds or so) Sep 28 08:33:17 scroll down to your video. client starts mplayer, server starts vlc transcoding (via ffmpeg) Sep 28 08:34:59 Oh, so it's an online streaming thing. Cool, but not quite what I want. Sep 28 08:35:32 I want a set of videos (either explicitly managed or put in a particular directory by PVR) to be automatically transcoded and the N800 to automatically connect each night and sync. Sep 28 08:36:14 Still, your vlc/mplayer streaming solution will be cool in the house Sep 28 08:36:35 solmumaha made it. i just helped test Sep 28 08:37:04 does your PVR run mythtv? Sep 28 08:38:10 i play with mythtv setup every few months but never got it running Sep 28 08:41:50 It did, but I switched back to Freevo as I found the quality of the UI and audio output of MythMusic too poor Sep 28 08:42:08 Freevo's much more hackable, since it's written in Python Sep 28 08:44:53 Is freevo something that would lend itself to control through the tv, via IR? Sep 28 08:45:57 control thru tv ? Sep 28 08:46:29 you can control free with remote if your linuxbox has ir capability =) Sep 28 08:48:50 There's also a remote control interface so, for example, the Freevo web server can control the UI on the TV Sep 28 08:49:06 So an N800 interface would be perfectly doable to make an IP-based remote control Sep 28 08:50:04 yeah. i need to do IR tho Sep 28 08:50:14 the only device my users can operate is a TV remote Sep 28 08:51:26 i've run cat5 through the walls, 4 wires hold the svhs signal, two wires the audio and two wires for the IR signal Sep 28 08:51:34 So, yeah, I control Freevo via a Streamzap USB IR receiver. Works wery well Sep 28 08:51:40 ok ty Sep 28 08:51:50 Anything lirc supports, basically (including homebrew) Sep 28 08:52:39 nice. Sep 28 08:52:55 I tried a 2.4ghz video sender/receiver station but the picture quality stank Sep 28 08:53:15 svhs over 5 meters of cat5 worked surprisingly well Sep 28 08:55:08 Dar Jamaihl? Sep 28 08:55:18 oh wrong channel Sep 28 08:55:27 anyone know where i can get libgcrypt11 and libgnutls11? (needed by pidgin) Sep 28 08:55:30 pupnik: np ;) Sep 28 08:55:50 repositories? Sep 28 08:55:51 <_Monkey> i guess repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 28 08:58:04 _Monkey, thanks, didn't notice you could search on that repo list page :P Sep 28 08:58:05 <_Monkey> pas de quoi railk Sep 28 08:58:05 good morning (~ugt) Sep 28 08:58:22 eh, bot? Sep 28 09:09:29 hi all Sep 28 09:09:53 I have a nokia N800 device.. Sep 28 09:10:16 I want to build an application developed by us... Sep 28 09:10:39 in in gtkmm Sep 28 09:10:49 but can not installl...... Sep 28 09:10:56 it needs the packages,...... Sep 28 09:11:07 Jaffa: what do you need to know? Sep 28 09:11:13 hildonlibs-fmmm, etc Sep 28 09:11:26 I have downloaded it Sep 28 09:11:41 but when i want to install by the application manager Sep 28 09:11:51 it shows that uncompaitable version Sep 28 09:11:57 what could be done now? Sep 28 09:12:57 solmumaha.. Can u please explain? Sep 28 09:13:10 install the compatible version :) Sep 28 09:13:15 sarower: no Sep 28 09:13:31 :) comment was made to Jaffa Sep 28 09:13:35 but which is the compaitable version] Sep 28 09:13:42 pupnik? Sep 28 09:13:56 sarower: search repositories for 'bora' package Sep 28 09:13:59 repositories? Sep 28 09:14:00 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 28 09:14:23 * pupnik is a meta-bot Sep 28 09:14:33 pupnik: I have alreadu downloaded the latest one! Sep 28 09:14:58 sarower: one minute Sep 28 09:16:03 sarower run dpkg -I to see if it is compatible Sep 28 09:16:30 hi pupnik !!! Sep 28 09:16:41 pupnik: How i can run in the device? Sep 28 09:16:41 greets Big_B Sep 28 09:16:50 is there any comand prompt? Sep 28 09:17:48 yes, you can install xterm terminal and/or ssh (openssh or dropbear) to get this Sep 28 09:18:17 also for administration you should read up on Sep 28 09:18:20 becomeroot? Sep 28 09:18:21 <_Monkey> well, becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot Sep 28 09:32:03 * flip^ wonders what metalayer-crawler is Sep 28 09:32:26 pupnik: I dont have the internet connection! Sep 28 09:33:22 if me again if try to install openssh or dropbear then will not it show again the problem? Sep 28 09:33:40 is there any garantee? Sep 28 09:33:48 then what could be done? Sep 28 09:34:13 flip^: something you should disable Sep 28 09:34:37 looks like it drained my battery in the night and likes eating cpu again this morning Sep 28 09:34:58 solmumaha: can i just mv/rm the binary, or is there a 'safe' way to disable it? ;) Sep 28 09:35:19 rm symlinks from /etc/rc?.d Sep 28 09:35:59 do you know what it actually does (i've no issue stopping it, but i'm curious if it's going to affect some function of the device unexpectedly) Sep 28 09:36:16 think it searches for media files from your device Sep 28 09:36:52 have you added a symlink to / under MyDocs perhaps? Sep 28 09:37:42 nah, not got anything cyclic like that... Sep 28 09:37:52 k, that causes it to go in a loop Sep 28 09:38:31 but it does that on it's own too, had to disable it few minutes back.. think it comes back to haunt you no matter what you do Sep 28 09:38:49 yeah, i might have a hunt around in case something odd is going on somewhere else... but i'm seeing lots of reports of it being a problem on forums Sep 28 09:39:11 of course, if xterm won't even load... Sep 28 09:40:03 excellent... 'switch off' fails too Sep 28 09:40:18 there we go Sep 28 09:42:45 what i do have (when at home) is a dir that has a Tb of media mounted on it from another server (though i'm not at home atm)... i guess that could have upset it Sep 28 09:54:17 hi lardman!!! Sep 28 09:54:19 <_Monkey> hi lardman are you here!! Sep 28 10:00:22 Hi Big_B Sep 28 10:00:37 * lardman is vaguely happy as his vorbis dsptask is only segfaulting now Sep 28 10:04:07 Lardman : I want to install hildon-fmmm 0.1.2-1 but i got "unable to install , Incompatible application package " I m using N800 . What should i do now . Sep 28 10:04:44 it may be a .deb for the 770, I imagine there's an n800 version floating around somewhere Sep 28 10:05:14 kulve: Where do the dbg() statements come out? Sep 28 10:06:30 syslog Sep 28 10:06:30 <_Monkey> syslog is apt-get install sysklogd (or use downloads.maemo.org like everyone else) Sep 28 10:06:43 lardman: if you have the mbox debug enabled in kernel Sep 28 10:06:54 kulve: I'm using your kernel, so yes Sep 28 10:06:58 ok Sep 28 10:07:04 but I don't see my message Sep 28 10:07:41 you have the syslog package installed? (and the syslogd running?) Sep 28 10:07:49 I do see an empty line in the syslog output though Sep 28 10:07:51 yes Sep 28 10:07:54 hmm Sep 28 10:08:16 it's the same as printf(), but with task as the first param? Sep 28 10:10:08 here's my output: http://pastebin.com/m447a474 Sep 28 10:10:08 Lardman : is it sure that N770 and N800 uses different .deb . Can't i use it for N800? Sep 28 10:10:38 hildon-fmmm Sep 28 10:10:47 Big_B: the 770 and n800 use a different binary format for calling libraries, so you need an n800 version Sep 28 10:11:02 Ya Sep 28 10:11:18 Where can i get it ? Sep 28 10:11:59 no idea Sep 28 10:12:29 kulve: I see in syslog that there's a DBG message received: mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=0011 Sep 28 10:13:03 Ok . I will try by myself . Thanks Lardman. Sep 28 10:13:25 lardman: this is how I see them: Sep 28 10:13:26 [105866.529815] mbox: receiving seq=0, cmd=79:05(DBG), data=003d Sep 28 10:13:26 [105866.529876] rcv_bksnd: got 160 bytes of data: 0xe5fb 0xdf34 Sep 28 10:13:39 actually I think I used DBG(), not dbg().. Sep 28 10:13:52 ok, I'll give it a go Sep 28 10:15:14 but it's odd that you did receive the DBG mbox message ok.. Sep 28 10:15:46 lardman: I remembered it wrong, I used the dbg() Sep 28 10:15:47 + dbg(task, "initializing"); Sep 28 10:15:50 like that Sep 28 10:16:50 ah, no \n on the end? Sep 28 10:17:06 I was wondering about that Sep 28 10:19:00 hmm, seems I get ABORTADR messages unless I restart the DSP Sep 28 10:19:38 doing Bora 3.1 installation on Debian Etch, doing 'apt-get update' in scratchbox gives 'error cannot resolve 'repository.maemo.org', why? Sep 28 10:20:53 you've not setup a nameserver? Sep 28 10:22:11 lardman, in scratchbox resolv.conf or in host resolv.conf? Sep 28 10:22:20 lardman: I got abortadr if I had something wrong in the INIT ctl comand Sep 28 10:22:23 lardman, Internet works on host Sep 28 10:23:01 mbuf: in scratchbox Sep 28 10:23:12 mbuf: try "scratchbox maemo nsswitch.conf" in google Sep 28 10:23:43 kulve: okay, I'll take a look. It's just strange because I don't think I've changed anything and it went from abortadr to working and now back to abortadr Sep 28 10:26:25 no, nothing in my case MBCMD_TCTL_TINIT: Sep 28 10:26:35 except for return 0 Sep 28 10:27:08 doesn't the return value tell the success.. Sep 28 10:28:21 I thought you have to return a value if it fails Sep 28 10:28:29 * lardman looks at the spec Sep 28 10:31:13 lardman: yeah, 0 for OK and .. I don't know what in error.. Sep 28 10:31:30 MBCMD_EID_* in error Sep 28 10:31:34 MBCMD_EID_BADTCTL is the default return value if you don;'t recognise it Sep 28 10:36:46 The only way I can see to get ABORTADR is for something to have written to the memory used to store the task information Sep 28 10:38:41 here's my logic for that conclusion http://pastebin.com/d687554ef Sep 28 10:39:10 all the source files are in the DSP-side dspgateway code Sep 28 10:40:14 when a task is removed, its TID is first set back to 0xDEAD Sep 28 10:41:06 But I still can't work out what I've done to get this error, I'm placing my shared memory in EXTMEM2 and EXTMEM3 Sep 28 10:45:12 I don't touch that TID.. Sep 28 10:45:22 + TID_MAGIC, /* tid */ Sep 28 10:45:34 I think that is some macro giving out proper TID? Sep 28 10:45:35 Nor do I, but I tracked back to find out where the error came from Sep 28 10:45:41 hmm Sep 28 10:46:03 it's set to magic when the task is loaded, then given a numeric ID once it's loaded Sep 28 10:46:08 ah, sry, I read too qcuikly.. Sep 28 10:46:41 I've another question - if you look in any of the .cmd files, you'll see something like g711_dec_mmap_buffer: align=0x10000 {} > EXTMEM2 /*must start at beginning of page */ Sep 28 10:47:08 any idea why it's aligned to 0x10000? Is that actually a page size? Sep 28 10:48:04 I suppose that's 2^16 so it makes some sense Sep 28 10:48:34 I don't know anything about those.. Sep 28 10:48:42 in the spec it says the mmap buffer needs to be aligned to 2k words, perhaps page boundaries are faster then Sep 28 10:56:23 Lardmand I need these .deb 1. hildon-fmmm 2. hildon-libsmm 3. libglibmm -2.4-1 c2a 3.glibgtkmm -2.4-1 c2a 4.libsigc++-2.0-0c2a(>=2.02) 5.libsqlite3-0(>=3.3.5) for N800. Would you like to tell me where can i get it ?? Sep 28 10:56:32 Mardman Sep 28 10:56:42 Lardman Sep 28 10:57:15 or anybody who knows ?? Sep 28 10:57:31 Hi, can Maemo run on some other hardware that Nokias N770 and N800??? Sep 28 10:58:13 x86 pc Sep 28 10:58:16 Big_B: sqlite and the other standard ones will probably be in the maemo repo Sep 28 10:58:41 cosmo: I thought one of those ultra portable pcs was running maemo? Sep 28 10:58:53 ah, x86 of course :) Sep 28 10:59:56 Ya . Lard man i got it here "http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/readme_sqlite_tutorial.html" Sep 28 11:00:37 Big_B: Just install it via Application Manager Sep 28 11:01:19 ok . Thank you Lardman Sep 28 11:02:32 /etc/nsswitch.conf in scratchbox (bora 3.1) has "hosts: dns" ; on host debian etch, /etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files mdsn4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" Sep 28 11:03:15 apt-get update gives 'cannot resolve repository.maemo.org' ; google links said only dns should be in hosts file, and it is present in scratchbox, what am i missing? Sep 28 11:05:22 check the dns configfiles in /scratchbox folder outside the scratchbox environment .. Sep 28 11:05:32 try editing /etc/resolv.conf Sep 28 11:07:48 lardman, i have set /etc/resolv.conf to use opendns inside scratchbox; Sep 28 11:08:28 can you access if you use wget ? Sep 28 11:09:24 jani, yes Sep 28 11:10:19 mbuf: No idea then, I just set resolv.conf inside to the same as outside and hey presto Sep 28 11:10:55 lardman, maemo 3.1 or 3.2 ? Sep 28 11:12:57 can't remember to tell the truth, I think 3.2 just worked Sep 28 11:13:33 lardman, i will update to 3.2 then; thanks Sep 28 11:14:11 hmm, hope I remembered correctly ;) Sep 28 11:14:31 network should work even if resolv.conf inside sb points to 127.0.0.1 Sep 28 11:14:55 the problen is usually in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Sep 28 11:15:09 jjo_, yes by default resolv.conf was set to 127.0.0.1 Sep 28 11:17:55 kulve: I've got a new error now: ABORTADR, time to track that one down Sep 28 11:18:00 mbuf: so, is the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf ok Sep 28 11:18:14 jjo_, how can i tell? Sep 28 11:18:34 what do you have on the 'hosts: ' line Sep 28 11:18:41 jjo_, "hosts: dns" Sep 28 11:19:21 then it should be ok Sep 28 11:20:05 but are you sure you checked /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf? earlier you talked about /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox Sep 28 11:20:23 and I understood that you ment the one inside the scratchbox environment Sep 28 11:20:38 those files are not the same... Sep 28 11:22:48 solmumaha: pupnik answered it. Need any help/testing for your mplayer/vlc streaming doohicky? Sep 28 11:23:13 sure Sep 28 11:23:20 you have a dvb card? Sep 28 11:27:26 jjo_, yes by /etc/nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox i meant /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Sep 28 11:27:58 ok Sep 28 11:30:39 jjo_, wait, it is not; /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" Sep 28 11:31:08 jjo_, i think it was simply copied from /etc/nsswitch.conf Sep 28 11:31:57 yes, during installation Sep 28 11:32:12 jjo_, lardman ok works now, i have only "hosts: files dns" in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf , and apt-get update works! thanks Sep 28 11:35:30 good good Sep 28 11:47:51 hmm, syslogd seems to have stopped producing information since I rebooted Sep 28 11:48:40 certainly nothing related to dsp_dld anymore Sep 28 11:56:10 solmumaha: yep Sep 28 11:57:13 lardman: I don't keep syslogd running because it floods a lot. I just start it when I want to debug something with it Sep 28 11:57:32 especially the dsp audio codecs floods *alot* with the mbox debug.. Sep 28 12:04:57 kulve: I was doing that too, but then I crashed the DSP & it rebooted the N800 Sep 28 12:05:19 when I installed syslogd it must have added entries to /etc/init.d Sep 28 12:07:22 hmm, I think it needs to be dbg() not DBG() Sep 28 12:14:33 right, the code is now causing a dsp reset which is making the n800 reboot Sep 28 12:14:56 time to disable dsme or whatever it's called Sep 28 12:21:25 kulve: Removing the \n from the dbg() commands has produced output for me Sep 28 12:31:30 nice :) Sep 28 12:37:09 Right, I'm making some progress now, the code runs then segfaults, I just need to dbg() through the code and sort out the errors Sep 28 12:37:20 ncie to get something running after all this effort :) Sep 28 12:38:00 looks like my current problem is with trying to copy the ogg_buffer structure over to the DSP-side and reassemble it Sep 28 12:39:11 I am doing memcpy (doing endianness conversion on the ARM) on ogg_page, ogg_reference and ogg_buffer structs, then updating their pointers to the on the DSPside Sep 28 12:39:21 this seems to fail for my ogg_buffer Sep 28 12:40:16 right, other things to do, back later Sep 28 12:41:55 * pupnik_ dcc's lardman $1000 in monopoly money Sep 28 13:28:00 hi all Sep 28 13:29:12 ld show the following message when I try to compile de maemo_hello.c example code: ld: skipping incompatible //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so when searching for -lhildonwidgets Sep 28 13:29:21 what can I do? Sep 28 13:31:46 hi rene4jazz Sep 28 13:32:02 did you get error messages when logging-in to scratchbox? Sep 28 13:38:55 pupnik, no I don't Sep 28 13:40:14 I installed the scratchbox apophis from the debian repository, and installed the Maemo 2.2 dev rootstrap from maemo.org Sep 28 13:40:53 configured the target with sb-menu selecting debian devkit Sep 28 13:41:26 are you compiling for arm or x86? Sep 28 13:41:59 either way, see what "file //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so" tells you the format of that file is Sep 28 13:42:24 I have selected the scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 package on the target configuration Sep 28 13:44:15 I did it: //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so: symbolic link to `libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0' Sep 28 13:44:34 file /usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0 Sep 28 13:44:43 try "file /usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0" then Sep 28 13:44:54 beat me! Sep 28 13:45:20 //usr/lib/libhildonwidgets.so.0.5.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped Sep 28 13:45:28 aha nice catch lardman Sep 28 13:45:58 no idea why you've got the libs mixed up, perhaps you extracted the wrong rootstrap? Sep 28 13:46:06 what should i do if it says, "you should close other scratchbox versions" ? using bora 3.2 on debian etch Sep 28 13:46:57 mbuf: I assume you logged out of the old version before installing the new one? Did you remember to rmmod the kernel modules? Sep 28 13:47:35 lardman, just exiting the terminal is ok? Sep 28 13:48:02 pupnik: do I have to reinstall? Sep 28 13:48:36 pupnik: where do I get the i386 version of the development rootstrap Sep 28 13:49:45 http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo.org+i386+rootstrap Sep 28 13:49:50 this is the url of the rootstrap I downloaded: http://repository.maemo.org///stable/gregale/armel/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz Sep 28 13:50:14 yes that *armel* means it runs on the ARM cpu, or on the QEMU arm emulator Sep 28 13:50:34 if you are in the i386 scratchbox environment, you need to install the i386 rootstrap Sep 28 13:50:59 in scratchbox you can set up two basic types of 'targets' Sep 28 13:51:17 one contains a build environment (the rootstrap) compiled for i386 cpu Sep 28 13:51:34 another contains the same, only compiled for ARM (armel) Sep 28 13:51:51 is possible to run the system of n800 in a 770, correct ? Sep 28 13:52:02 what is the max. size permitted for the MMC card on 770 ? Sep 28 13:52:26 when you set up a Scratchbox target, you choose either an i386 or an ARM target, and into this target you must install an i386 or arm rootstrap, respectively Sep 28 13:52:40 2GB I think Sep 28 13:52:52 ok, roger Sep 28 13:53:15 Thanatermesis: sort of yes, it is called it2007he, and will run most 'bora' binaries. 2GB yes Sep 28 13:53:22 mbuf: yes, you probably also need to remove the kernel modules Sep 28 13:54:22 lardman, no i am ok with x86 now; just wanted to see how to do it Sep 28 13:55:30 rene4jazz: one more note - i never use the i386 target. I think the only real use is for convenient profiling. Sep 28 13:55:48 mbuf: yeah, exit the terminal and then run "/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop" as root Sep 28 13:56:25 pupnik: But profiling on a different arch is somewhat dangerous Sep 28 13:56:43 only 2 gb ? uh.. :/ Sep 28 13:57:22 pupnik: so I have to use the qemu way? Sep 28 13:57:46 lardman, ohh ok, i remember doing start earlier; but, it says '/scratchbox/users/foo/dev: device is busy', but echo $? exit status is 0 Sep 28 13:58:19 I can't find a suitable i386 for maemo gregale 2.2 ( I'm preparing a develpment environment for n770) Sep 28 14:00:01 rene4jazz: it is the only way i know to compile binaries for the tablet. I suggest you set-up a new ARMEL target, use qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2, install debian and cputransp devkits (both!) and install Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz as your rootstrap Sep 28 14:00:15 mbuf: If it said it was busy you probably already had the modules loaded Sep 28 14:04:50 pupnik: I'll try, thank's very much Sep 28 14:12:39 hola Sep 28 14:13:52 I'm thinking about buying an N800 but have been reading the rumors about the upcoming Nxxx. If the new tablet is going to be 5-600$ then there's no way I'd buy it anyway. Does anyone recall what the N800 cost when it was first released? Sep 28 14:14:08 thanks. Sep 28 14:14:26 ~£250 perhaps Sep 28 14:14:40 or was it more Sep 28 14:14:56 I can't see the new one being so much more expensive to tell the truth Sep 28 14:16:29 I'm not really interested in gps or wimax -- but if it's got more ram and a faster cpu I'd probably wait. Sep 28 14:16:46 I'm a bit torn. Sep 28 14:16:55 no-one knows, wait ~43 days and then you might find out something more Sep 28 14:16:58 <|R> 400 Sep 28 14:17:03 how long of a wait was there between the 770 and the 800 releases? Sep 28 14:17:20 <|R> 1.5 year ? Sep 28 14:17:38 but more importantly how much of a wait was there between the FCC filing and the release Sep 28 14:17:48 <|R> probably 2... just guessing from arcticle's date i've read Sep 28 14:17:59 * mgedmin is probably doomed to buy every new nokia internet tablet that ever comes out... Sep 28 14:18:06 <|R> haha Sep 28 14:18:10 so it probably makes sense to hold off for a month or two. Sep 28 14:18:25 <|R> I just ordered an N800 but i'm really hoping to pair it with an OpenMoko in the end ;) Sep 28 14:18:39 I would, in ~43 days there should be some more info about the new one, at least some pictures, etc. Sep 28 14:18:57 if it has an actually keyboard that would cinch it for me. Sep 28 14:18:58 <|R> what' up in 43 days? :) Sep 28 14:19:01 |R: I was looking at the openmoko, still too dear though Sep 28 14:19:10 that's when the fcc info embargo lifts. Sep 28 14:19:21 <|R> lardman : yeah i'm waiting for the GTA02 release to be a bit less rough around the edges.. Sep 28 14:19:53 |R: I think it would be fun to hack on, but not sure I can justify so much money for the current one, and the next one looks even more expensive Sep 28 14:20:41 at least the next one will have a faster processor and video/imaging acceleration Sep 28 14:20:48 <|R> lardman : yep, the GTA02 is the next one, wifi, more ram, more mhz, more everything eheh :D Sep 28 14:20:49 oh, and wifi Sep 28 14:20:55 I will probably never sell my 770 Sep 28 14:21:07 <|R> that's the main feature for me Sep 28 14:21:15 I don;t think I can, my gf uses is and my Dad's after something too Sep 28 14:21:15 <|R> i really want to ditch the telcos and go 100% VoIP Sep 28 14:21:56 <|R> already switched my landline to unlimitel (2.50$/mth + time) which is way better than Bell's offering at 30+$ / month Sep 28 14:22:11 I played around with one of my coworker's N800s for a bit. the speed seemed pretty good. he said he never ran into memory problems even with several apps running at once. anyone here bumping into the speed/memory limits of their N800? Sep 28 14:22:47 roue: It's much better than the 770 in that regard, the only issue you may have is with lots of web pages open at the same time Sep 28 14:22:55 where lots>8 Sep 28 14:23:31 or if you want to play games, hey pupnik Sep 28 14:23:34 okay, thanks. Sep 28 14:23:37 damn nfs keeps spinning up my drives. Sep 28 14:25:08 evil websites can thrash the n800 - but that's because they're evil, shitty websites. Sep 28 14:25:38 * alterego agrees Sep 28 14:25:41 evil and shitty Sep 28 14:26:03 echo "127.0.0.1 digg.com" >> /etc/hosts Sep 28 14:26:15 :D Sep 28 14:27:37 <|R> haha Sep 28 14:27:43 is it possible to disable javascript in opera? Sep 28 14:27:50 yes Sep 28 14:27:53 <|R> is mozilla 0.1 fairing any better? ;) Sep 28 14:27:54 tick a box, iirc Sep 28 14:28:00 or untick, rather Sep 28 14:28:05 * |R is probably going to get his on monday... Sep 28 15:07:05 pupnik: I have compiled well the maemo_hello.c with cputransp enabled and arm toolchain selected, I'am trying now to start the af-sb-init.sh but it's displays: matchbox-wm: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable. Sep 28 15:07:41 in your host you must first run start-xephyr.sh to start the X server Sep 28 15:07:50 then in scratchbox export display=:2 Sep 28 15:07:56 I did Sep 28 15:08:28 but the documented script returns this: ./start-xephyr.sh: line 4: /scratchbox/users/rene/targets/nokia/usr/bin/Xephyr: No such file or director Sep 28 15:09:27 do I have to make a symlink? Sep 28 15:09:27 look in your /scratchbox/users/rene/targets directory Sep 28 15:09:46 there should be a directory with the same name as you seen in your scratchbox target command-line prompt Sep 28 15:10:00 for e.g. here i have targets/SB_Arm/ Sep 28 15:10:04 can you use xephyr when you're targeting arm? Sep 28 15:10:11 sure Sep 28 15:10:32 my target's name is nokia Sep 28 15:10:53 /scratchbox/users/rene/targets/nokia/usr/bin/Xephyr: No such file or director Sep 28 15:11:08 that's strange i don't have Xephyr there either Sep 28 15:11:27 i think you're trying to run the xephyr script from within scratchbox Sep 28 15:11:40 do not do that Sep 28 15:12:51 no I'am not, I have the start-xephyr script in my home dir Sep 28 15:13:01 hrm ok Sep 28 15:13:49 this is the content of the script: #!/bin/sh -e Sep 28 15:13:49 this is interesting... Sep 28 15:13:49 prefix=/scratchbox/users/${LOGNAME}/targets/nokia/usr Sep 28 15:13:49 export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=${prefix}/lib; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH Sep 28 15:13:49 exec ${prefix}/bin/Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 - Sep 28 15:14:11 mine points to the SDK_PC target Sep 28 15:14:16 prefix=/scratchbox/users/${LOGNAME}/targets/SDK_PC/usr Sep 28 15:14:39 cool. learned something today Sep 28 15:15:13 what's that? Sep 28 15:17:52 ls /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SDK_PC/usr/bin/X* Sep 28 15:17:53 /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SDK_PC/usr/bin/Xephyr Sep 28 15:18:12 minra@scuttle:~$ ls /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SB_Arm2/usr/bin/X* Sep 28 15:18:13 /scratchbox/users/minra/targets/SB_Arm2/usr/bin/Xomap Sep 28 15:18:42 I do have the same "Xomap" file Sep 28 15:19:07 looks to me as if you have to also have an i386 target set-up Sep 28 15:19:13 so, Xephyr comes with x86 booststrap only? Sep 28 15:19:21 or maybe get the Xephyr server from somewhere else Sep 28 15:19:30 i don't know but it looks like it Sep 28 15:19:42 interesting Sep 28 15:20:45 I found the gregale x86 rootstrap in maemo.org Sep 28 15:21:25 after finishing the download I'll install a x86 target Sep 28 15:21:27 i don't know what i'm talking about but maybe Xnest would also work as a local x server Sep 28 15:21:51 but yeah ... you know... follow directions :) Sep 28 15:22:40 do you use Xephyr with the arm target? Sep 28 15:23:02 yeah Sep 28 15:23:19 what script do you execute? Sep 28 15:23:46 the start-xephyr.sh script, on the host Sep 28 15:24:07 and that poitns to the xephyr bin in SBOX_PC target Sep 28 15:25:01 X is a client/server networked architecture, so the X server runs on the i386 while the arm application runs via qemu Sep 28 15:25:30 the X server could run on another PC for that matter Sep 28 15:25:41 sure Sep 28 15:26:25 so it's strange that your start-xephyr.sh script was set to point to your armel target Sep 28 15:27:24 bye chaps Sep 28 15:27:27 cu Sep 28 15:27:50 if I execute Xephyr on the host it throws a segment fault after starting af-sb-init.sh script Sep 28 15:33:33 rene4jazz: try starting xterm on that xephyr before the af-sb-init.sh Sep 28 15:34:04 at some point xephyr segfaulted when the last client exited.. Sep 28 15:34:23 but, afaik, it should be already fixed long time ago Sep 28 15:34:35 hello Sep 28 15:34:35 <_Monkey> hi, r- Sep 28 15:34:40 hy _Monkey Sep 28 15:35:04 so there's someone alive? this is nice Sep 28 15:35:12 yeah, a bot Sep 28 15:35:16 oh Sep 28 15:35:16 great Sep 28 15:35:18 :D Sep 28 15:35:19 :) Sep 28 15:35:24 just got my n800 yesterday. Sep 28 15:35:36 and now i want to throw my blackberry 8830 at a wall. Sep 28 15:35:47 g'damn bluetooth DUN profiles. anyone gotten around this? Sep 28 15:35:56 every experience with a blackberry has made me want to throw it at a wall Sep 28 15:36:07 i've loved the 8830 until i got the n800. Sep 28 15:37:21 oh well, one of these days. Sep 28 15:37:58 i've never tried to make one talk to a n800 tho, so can't help there i'm afraid Sep 28 15:42:02 what's the best youtube viewer/downloader/converter that actually works for people? Sep 28 15:42:12 videocenter, uktube, etc.. all simply "crash" Sep 28 15:42:19 UKTube is apparently very good Sep 28 15:42:35 I tend to just use the build in browser mind... does the job ok Sep 28 15:47:21 there's nothing for the n800 that can effectively work with (very basic) word documents, aside from Google Documents, is there? Sep 28 15:53:50 Hey guys. I was wondering if it's possible to run apps like Gizmo and Skype on the Hackers version of the OS-2007 software? Sep 28 15:55:38 try it Sep 28 16:23:35 pupnik: I've tried it ;) It doesn't work. I'm wondering if it's my setup, or the hacked OS2007 on Nokia 770 image doesn't support it Sep 28 16:24:34 Hi everyone Sep 28 16:25:33 hy Sep 28 16:42:19 FireSt0rM: internettablettalk.com forums might have some information. Also setting up multiboot for your mmc pays rich dividends in backup/restore and being able to use both 2006 and 2007he Sep 28 16:42:23 multiboot? Sep 28 16:42:24 <_Monkey> well, multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card Sep 28 16:42:36 hmm need to add the other howto to that Sep 28 17:12:55 Finally, I will build emacs without gtk/x support since I cannot get installed any font (It semms omap x server doesn't support), so I will loss posibility of use the stylus. If anyone have an idea in order to it works better, tell me please. Sep 28 17:24:37 xeos: you can build libgpm Sep 28 17:24:58 i use it for links2 web browser Sep 28 17:26:05 http://pupnik.de/deps/deps.html Sep 28 17:27:26 It sounds nice, I don't know that library Sep 28 17:28:14 i don't remember if emacs can use it though Sep 28 17:28:38 It semms it do Sep 28 17:29:02 t-mouse.el :) Sep 28 17:29:25 It said: Sep 28 17:29:26 Toggle t-mouse mode to use the mouse in Linux consoles. Sep 28 17:29:26 With prefix arg, turn t-mouse mode on if arg is positive, otherwise turn it Sep 28 17:29:26 off. Sep 28 17:29:29 This allows the use of the mouse when operating on a Linux console, in the Sep 28 17:29:32 same way as you can use the mouse under X11. Sep 28 17:29:35 It requires the `mev' program, part of the `gpm' utilities. Sep 28 17:29:51 there is also a way to install additional fonts Sep 28 17:29:54 fonts? Sep 28 17:29:55 <_Monkey> fonts are already antialiased, so Sep 28 17:30:02 darn -- there's a howto somewhere Sep 28 17:33:42 fonts? Sep 28 17:33:43 <_Monkey> fonts are installable by copying .ttf fonts to /usr/share/fonts and then running "fc-cache -f" as root to rebuild system font cache information, then reboot. Sep 28 17:35:58 but I think emacs22 doesn't support this fonts. It has been added at 23 version Sep 28 17:36:35 aah Sep 28 17:38:52 Emacs works fine, the problem is the font apparers tiny, it is not readable. Sep 28 17:40:03 and when I try switch another font, It yields a "not found font" warning Sep 28 17:43:31 hy Sep 28 18:14:24 to use different maemo development environments (Bora 3.1, 3.2, Chinook 4.0), should we install separate scratchbox environments? if yes, how? Sep 28 18:19:40 pupnik: I have seen in your deps list the xfonts-base package. Sep 28 18:26:12 but the link is broken Sep 28 19:59:27 i have added "deb file:/home/foo/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.2 bora explicit" in /etc/apt/sources.list, is that correct for Bora 3.2? apt-get update on the host obviously says "file:/home/foo File not found" Sep 28 20:14:55 I have a problem. When init starts esd, it plays a strange sound like `pc speaker', increasing the frecuency. It is like that since I copied my internal flash to mmc. In fact, if I boot from flash I will run successly. Any idea? Sep 28 20:16:27 (I have installed the XCFE tarball too, perhaps it could something to do) Sep 28 20:16:34 thanks in advance Sep 28 21:10:52 hi all Sep 28 21:11:54 I have installed gregale on scratchbox Sep 28 21:13:20 now I would like to install a web browser inside scratchbox, it's possible? Sep 28 22:08:43 how can I install new applications into scratchboxed maemo Sep 28 22:08:54 ? Sep 29 01:13:13 damn package with a colon Sep 29 02:02:09 maemo sdk? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 29 02:59:56 2007