**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 30 02:59:56 2007
Sep 30 03:02:34 <alterego> Good morning punik?
Sep 30 03:02:41 <alterego> pupnik, good morning :)
Sep 30 03:03:15 * flip^ notes 4am is time for sleep
Sep 30 03:03:49 * pupnik yawns
Sep 30 03:03:59 <alterego> flip^, I feel ya ;)
Sep 30 03:04:12 <alterego> I've just got back from a friends birthday.
Sep 30 03:04:17 <alterego> Met a girl,
Sep 30 03:04:30 <pupnik> uh oh..
Sep 30 03:04:36 <alterego> Realised somethings .. Need a holiday from computers.
Sep 30 03:05:25 <alterego> (Half tempted to install windows so I can fully get rid of the computer stiff i'm doing)
Sep 30 03:06:48 <pupnik> sometimes a change is good - but not that
Sep 30 03:07:04 <alterego> That means no work on ruby-maemo for a couple of months
Sep 30 03:07:15 * flip^ grins, yeah, birthdays last ages on saturday nights...
Sep 30 03:07:21 <flip^> time for rest now though methinks
Sep 30 03:07:35 <alterego> flip^, you UK
Sep 30 03:07:38 <alterego> ??
Sep 30 03:07:50 <flip^> alterego: yeah, you?
Sep 30 03:08:00 <alterego> Yup, Cambridge. Yer self?
Sep 30 03:08:37 <flip^> Canterbury
Sep 30 03:08:45 <alterego> Ah, :)
Sep 30 03:08:49 <flip^> not too far away, all things considered :)
Sep 30 03:09:00 <flip^> I have a friend or two in Cambridg
Sep 30 03:09:55 <alterego> :)
Sep 30 03:10:08 <alterego> Don't know anyone in Canterbury :)
Sep 30 03:10:28 <flip^> aww :P
Sep 30 03:11:41 <alterego> I was out tonight, Freshers week, so many young students. Took me about 10-15 minutes to get a drink every time I went to the bar :/
Sep 30 03:12:41 <alterego> Though, they all started early, by the time I'd moved to a late license bar. They'd all be at home puking, and the bar ladies seemed to like me enough to serve me pretty sharpish :)
Sep 30 03:13:50 <flip^> lol, freshers week was a fortnight back down here... i think i'm getting too old for freshers now though... very much we just avoid them these days. i'm sure they're younger each year
Sep 30 03:14:36 <alterego> Hahah
Sep 30 03:14:38 <alterego> Yeah
Sep 30 03:14:48 * alterego remembers being a fresher.
Sep 30 03:14:58 <alterego> Well, it was only 4 years ago :)
Sep 30 03:15:01 <alterego> O_O
Sep 30 03:15:04 <t_s_o> "sweet" memories :P
Sep 30 03:15:14 <alterego> mamories
Sep 30 03:15:24 <t_s_o> hmm?
Sep 30 03:15:43 <alterego> Breasts ..
Sep 30 03:15:49 <flip^> lol, only a few more than that for me... i was still hanging out with them til this year tho
Sep 30 03:16:05 <alterego> Hah
Sep 30 03:16:19 <alterego> I've always been one for hanging with older people.
Sep 30 03:16:29 <alterego> I drink coffee in the morning with old guys
Sep 30 03:16:37 <alterego> No
Sep 30 03:16:46 <alterego> I'm not a sexual deviant :P
Sep 30 03:17:07 <flip^> lol
Sep 30 03:18:10 <alterego> I was thinking earlier. I windsurf, I swim, walk ski and stuff. But the whole time I'm doing these other activities. I'm always obsessing over my latest programming project.
Sep 30 03:18:25 <alterego> IS my life that dull? Why can't I think of anything besides programming/coding?
Sep 30 03:18:31 <t_s_o> why does everything have some kind of sexual element these days?
Sep 30 03:19:21 <t_s_o> its the only thing you have that stimulates your brain in that way?
Sep 30 03:19:25 <alterego> I've got to find something else.
Sep 30 03:20:05 <alterego> Well, I write music, playing guitar/piano used to keep me stable. But it's not anymore.
Sep 30 03:21:16 <alterego> It just all seems to end up the same. Is the whole world just about programming?
Sep 30 03:21:26 <alterego> O_o
Sep 30 03:23:10 <alterego> Anyhow, 04:24 I think it's time for bed. Good night folks.
Sep 30 10:08:43 <Rebroad> hi, anyone know how i can sms from an n800? (maybe some linux version of voipcheap/smsdiscount?)
Sep 30 10:17:39 <gla55_> any service that allows it through web should work?
Sep 30 13:27:41 <Blacksitox> buenos dias
Sep 30 13:54:02 <zerojay> The Knot's player app is telling me that I have absolutely nothing to play... even though I have a shitton of stuff to play in the correct formats with the proper directories added.
Sep 30 13:54:06 <zerojay> any ideas?
Sep 30 13:58:19 <pupnik> zerojay: does it find th eserver?
Sep 30 13:58:26 <zerojay> Yes.
Sep 30 13:59:19 <zerojay> It just says I have zero of everything... even though I don't... and I have all the proper directories added.
Sep 30 13:59:26 <zerojay> To the config file.
Sep 30 13:59:32 <zerojay> With config properly renamed.
Sep 30 13:59:58 <pupnik> mhm
Sep 30 14:00:27 <zerojay> With my series... I can understand why it might not pick it up... I have them a bit more buried... but all my movies are top level of the directory I added.
Sep 30 14:02:01 <pupnik> :/
Sep 30 14:03:53 <pupnik> all mine show
Sep 30 14:04:45 <zerojay> I even thought that maybe the server doesn't understand symlinks, but it still didn't work when I directly pointed at things.
Sep 30 14:06:05 <pupnik> want to see a working config?
Sep 30 14:06:12 <zerojay> Sure.
Sep 30 14:06:55 <zerojay> I'm not registering to send pms.. that's BS.
Sep 30 14:07:56 <zerojay> The only difference I see is the directories.
Sep 30 14:08:00 <pupnik> ok
Sep 30 14:13:20 <zerojay> Maybe I just have too much stuff?
Sep 30 14:13:45 <pupnik> you can comment out dirs in the config
Sep 30 14:14:23 <pupnik> you can also put putc commands for debugging into the server
Sep 30 14:14:33 <pupnik> or puts or something :)
Sep 30 14:14:47 <zerojay> Yeah, but it doesn't return anything very interesting, unfortunately.
Sep 30 14:15:33 <pupnik> you tap on the categories and you can see your cetegories on the client?
Sep 30 14:15:48 <zerojay> Hitting Series makes my four external HDs come to life... but shows 0.
Sep 30 14:15:50 <zerojay> Yeah.
Sep 30 14:16:33 <pupnik> try making a directory with one video with a very simple name like test.avi
Sep 30 14:16:54 <pupnik> i used to have problems with some files not showing due to 'bad' filenames
Sep 30 14:16:59 <pupnik> but that seemed to get fixed
Sep 30 14:17:27 <zerojay> But what exactly entails a bad filename?
Sep 30 14:18:14 <zerojay> k.. I did get that to come up.
Sep 30 14:18:22 <zerojay> Not sure why... hmm...
Sep 30 14:19:04 <zerojay> okay.. what I used for a test worked and streams properly.
Sep 30 14:19:31 <zerojay> Wonder what's wrong with the rest then.
Sep 30 14:20:09 <pupnik> i mass-renamed them to remove strange chars and use only letters, numbers and underscores and hyphens
Sep 30 14:20:28 <zerojay> All my files already don't use strange characters.
Sep 30 14:20:35 <zerojay> Unless spaces are strange.
Sep 30 14:23:17 <pupnik> i didn't find exactly which characters caused problems
Sep 30 14:28:55 <zerojay> Whatever I move into the test directory appears to work.
Sep 30 14:29:05 <zerojay> But nothing from any other.
Sep 30 14:29:08 <zerojay> wtf
Sep 30 14:30:22 <zerojay> And I'm not about to move 3TB of movies and TV shows.
Sep 30 14:30:32 <pupnik> heh
Sep 30 14:31:21 <pupnik> maybe it's a length prob - try just one series - smaller categories
Sep 30 14:44:39 * pupnik needs help making exult faster
Sep 30 14:54:15 <pupnik> aye kinna maek her go any fasster kiptin or she'll blo apaaart!
Sep 30 15:28:40 <pupnik> anybody have a n770 with 128MB?
Sep 30 15:31:12 <sbz> i can't use flasher on my freebsd os :(, moreover the linux emulation compatility doesn't works with binaries flasher-3.0 et -static
Sep 30 15:31:44 <sbz> i think, my only solution will be to boot on linux live cd :'(
Sep 30 15:32:31 <sbz> i need to reflash initfs, because my nokia don't boot anymore
Sep 30 15:36:48 <pupnik> flasher should be trivial to build on fbsd
Sep 30 15:36:56 <pupnik> just type /quit whoever, and it'll quit them from irc
Sep 30 15:37:04 <pupnik> hehe
Sep 30 15:38:57 <sbz> pupnik: yeah but we don't have the source :/, so we can't build, i'm waiting for nokia source, but i don't think nokia would release it a day :/
Sep 30 15:40:35 <pupnik> silly, it would take the right guy at nokia like 10 minutes to compile that
Sep 30 15:42:10 <sbz> i think too
Sep 30 15:43:00 <sbz> maybe they think *bsd is no more famous to build a new flasher binary :/
Sep 30 15:43:50 <gcarrier> pupnik: same problem here
Sep 30 15:44:43 <gcarrier> pupnik: free and openbsd
Sep 30 15:53:36 <Tak|home> can the 770 use mini or micro sd at all?
Sep 30 15:55:41 <flip^> think its only got a RS-MMC slot
Sep 30 15:56:43 <Tak|home> yeah - I guess what I'm asking is: are (mini|micro)sd hardware-compatible with rs-mmc?
Sep 30 15:57:27 <Tak|home> probably only one-way, I guess
Sep 30 15:58:06 <alterego> MMC only
Sep 30 15:58:38 <Tak|home> k, thanks :-/
Sep 30 15:58:51 <gla55_> mmc's work in sd slots but sd's don't work in mmc slots, as a rule
Sep 30 15:58:54 <Tak|home> relatedly, has anyone seen rs-mmc or mmc-mobile in a >2G size?
Sep 30 16:14:06 <jonek> hi, has anyone got any news about the Jalimo project lately? I would also like to know if there is any cooperation with openmoko regarding a Java 'phoneME advanced' port (where port means some profile above 'foundation profile' so we get some GUI working)
Sep 30 16:14:35 <pupnik> wb Tak|home
Sep 30 16:15:08 <Tak|home> pupnik: hello
Sep 30 16:15:54 <Tak|home> pupnik: I'm seriously considering rewriting xmaeme in ruby (assuming I got time)
Sep 30 16:15:58 <pupnik> there are a bunch of
Sep 30 16:16:01 <pupnik> lol
Sep 30 16:16:12 <pupnik> oh xmaeme
Sep 30 16:16:24 <Tak|home> yes, not the emulator
Sep 30 16:16:33 <Tak|home> that would be madness
Sep 30 16:16:44 <pupnik> does xmaeme lack anything?
Sep 30 16:17:03 <Tak|home> ease of maintainability
Sep 30 16:17:21 <pupnik> have you seen Knots yet?
Sep 30 16:18:08 <pupnik> http://ugz.ath.cx:1414/knots/
Sep 30 16:28:55 <xand> lsobral: make your mind up :P
Sep 30 16:29:44 <lsobral> xand, hehehe, I am just fixing my xchat configs :P
Sep 30 16:30:08 <lsobral> now its ok! :)
Sep 30 16:31:36 <Tak|home> pupnik: interesting
Sep 30 16:33:04 <pupnik> if you have problems with it, i've some experience
Sep 30 16:35:16 <r-> lol internet.
Sep 30 16:40:59 <Tak|home> it doesn't really fit my use case
Sep 30 16:41:06 <Tak|home> but still cool
Sep 30 16:47:44 <unique311> jaffa ?
Sep 30 16:47:56 <xand> cakes!
Sep 30 16:48:05 <unique311> the 2 streams work on video center...
Sep 30 16:48:14 <unique311> bbc1 and bbc2
Sep 30 16:48:51 <unique311> also have a working program guide..
Sep 30 16:51:15 <unique311> just waiting on 13:35 to see if a video works..
Sep 30 16:52:12 <pupnik> I love knots
Sep 30 16:52:16 <pupnik> what are you testing unique311 ?
Sep 30 16:52:56 <unique311> xmltv file, jaffa posted on his site in video center..
Sep 30 16:53:20 <unique311> read thread..   http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=78611#post78611
Sep 30 16:54:17 <unique311> hopefully the admin from livetv.ws does the same...and then videocenter will probably be a nice hit for maemo..
Sep 30 16:56:03 <unique311> Trying to figre out why i'm getting Stream URI not available...
Sep 30 16:56:33 <pupnik> it's free and it works on the tablet?
Sep 30 16:57:07 <unique311> yeah
Sep 30 16:57:24 <pupnik> doesn't work with firefox on pc
Sep 30 16:59:58 <unique311> Not sure its suppose to.
Sep 30 17:10:06 <r-> lol internet again
Sep 30 17:11:27 <unique311> pupnik: http://www.bleb.org/tv/data/listings?help
Sep 30 17:11:48 <unique311> should help out in configuring channels for video center.
Sep 30 17:13:11 <pupnik> i'll look into it sometime -ty
Sep 30 17:13:29 <pupnik> bugwhacking atm
Sep 30 17:14:06 <pupnik> if anybody wants to try bos wars, i got it built
Sep 30 17:14:14 <pupnik> hangs on a 770 though
Sep 30 17:44:55 <pupnik> can i send a suspend signal to maemo-launcher when starting a game?
Sep 30 17:54:05 <bipolar> Can someone please tell me which arm toolchain to use with scratchbox? I see 6 diffrent ones for ARM in the scratchbox deb repo
Sep 30 18:01:26 <alterego> bipolar, mayb you shou read the installation isntructions. Then you'd know.
Sep 30 18:08:00 <bipolar> alterego: funny... which ones?
Sep 30 18:08:14 <alterego> It wasn't a joke
Sep 30 18:08:29 <bipolar> alterego: becouse the doc's on the scratchbox site tell me to install packages that don't exist.
Sep 30 18:08:29 <alterego> Maybe you should look on the maemo website under documentation.
Sep 30 18:08:38 <bipolar> thats how I got here
Sep 30 18:08:53 <alterego> Just read the SDK install instructions
Sep 30 18:08:53 <bipolar> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#settingup
Sep 30 18:09:15 <alterego> Whatever ..
Sep 30 18:09:22 <alterego> 2005cs glibc
Sep 30 18:09:24 <alterego> Not 2.5
Sep 30 18:09:30 <bipolar> thank you
Sep 30 18:30:20 <sp3000> konttori: math is hard
Sep 30 18:30:21 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, sp3000.
Sep 30 18:30:32 <konttori> hi
Sep 30 18:30:41 <konttori> what are you calculating?
Sep 30 18:30:53 <sp3000> konttori: getFileDetails
Sep 30 18:31:03 <milhouse> _monkey forget math
Sep 30 18:31:03 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot math
Sep 30 18:31:14 <milhouse> _monkey math is <reply>
Sep 30 18:31:14 <_Monkey> OK, milhouse.
Sep 30 18:31:22 <sp3000> konttori: it looks like in crop mode if the video is 33% too wide, you crop by 33%
Sep 30 18:31:29 <sp3000> which is wrong :)
Sep 30 18:31:49 <konttori> umm... media converter?
Sep 30 18:31:49 <_Monkey> somebody said media converter was https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter
Sep 30 18:31:53 <sp3000> konttori: yeah
Sep 30 18:32:08 <konttori> ahh... yeah, could be. I haven't really debugged it too much
Sep 30 18:32:26 <konttori> so, the correct would be to crop it by 66
Sep 30 18:32:28 <sp3000> it should be 1- 1/1.33 = 25% roughly
Sep 30 18:32:49 <sp3000> or something
Sep 30 18:32:50 <_Monkey> rumour has it something is wacky here
Sep 30 18:32:50 <konttori> Aahh... I get it now.
Sep 30 18:32:52 <sp3000> but math is hard :)
Sep 30 19:52:36 <pupnik> when i run a sdl program in gdb from ssh, i get no keyboard input via synergy
Sep 30 20:19:26 <nokipup> arf arf
Sep 30 20:30:39 <arj> hi, anyone using vnc viewer?
Sep 30 20:33:32 <arj> I have the problem that I have created an X server using Xvnc with the correct resolution but still the buttons up and down moves the screen around when I hold down the button. Anyone know anything about this?
Sep 30 20:43:36 <eichi> hello, will there be a enlightenment 17 port for maemo any day? why the libs are ported to maemo?
Sep 30 20:45:03 <nokipup> arj how could the screen move around if the resolution is correct
Sep 30 20:46:38 <arj> nokipup: that's what I thought, but it does. The area above and below is just black
Sep 30 20:47:04 <nokipup> hi eichi
Sep 30 20:47:12 <arj> I specify -geometry and -screen
Sep 30 20:47:23 <arj> both to 800x480
Sep 30 20:48:34 <nokipup> i have no idea which vncserver is best
Sep 30 20:48:53 <nokipup> i have debian vncserver
Sep 30 20:48:57 <nokipup> but i see a vnc4server too
Sep 30 20:49:32 <arj> well it appears to be a problem with vnc viewer for the nokia
Sep 30 20:49:41 <nokipup> worked fine here iirc
Sep 30 20:49:51 <nokipup> you maximized to fullscreen i assume?
Sep 30 20:50:08 <arj> yes
Sep 30 20:50:25 <arj> Xvncserver also?
Sep 30 20:50:33 <arj> Xvnc i mean
Sep 30 20:51:03 <nokipup> i don't know which client i had
Sep 30 20:51:40 <arj> vncviewer.garage.maemo.org?
Sep 30 20:53:38 <nokipup> i think so
Sep 30 20:53:40 <nokipup> on a 770
Sep 30 20:55:26 <arj> that's odd
Sep 30 20:55:56 <arj> the icon is a small read V, blue c, green n?
Sep 30 20:56:06 <arj> and is named VNC Viewer?
Sep 30 20:57:34 <nokipup> don't remember that
Sep 30 20:57:49 <arj> I have this application running on my server and I'm going insane each time it moves the screen up and down :)
Sep 30 20:58:16 <arj> could you check? I really want this to work ;-)
Sep 30 20:58:52 <nokipup> check whether it scrolls when holding dpad buttons down?
Sep 30 21:00:02 <nokipup> i don't see the resolution options for vncserver atm
Sep 30 21:00:37 <arj> check that it's the client. Also what server? And what options?
Sep 30 21:00:50 <nokipup> i could install any server
Sep 30 21:00:57 <nokipup> you have vnc5server?
Sep 30 21:00:59 <nokipup> 4
Sep 30 21:01:32 <arj> not 100% sure, I use Xvnc at the command line
Sep 30 21:01:46 <arj> it's realvnc
Sep 30 21:01:51 <nokipup> i don't have that
Sep 30 21:01:52 <arj> 4.1.2
Sep 30 21:02:26 <nokipup> vnc4server says Version: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-21
Sep 30 21:04:14 <nokipup> ok installed
Sep 30 21:05:37 <nokipup> i can't connect to my nokia
Sep 30 21:09:16 <nokipup> ok need to set up vnc passwd
Sep 30 21:09:17 <arj> hmm?
Sep 30 21:09:23 <nokipup> rebooted nokia
Sep 30 21:09:35 <nokipup> now i need to find vnc password setting for vnc4server
Sep 30 21:09:38 <nokipup> it's different
Sep 30 21:09:45 <nokipup> how to set up account?
Sep 30 21:09:52 <arj> just a sec
Sep 30 21:10:09 <arj> yyou need a file like: ~/.vnc/passwd
Sep 30 21:10:30 <nokipup> ok it's there
Sep 30 21:10:57 <arj> and the you use it using -PasswordFile ~/.vnc/passwd
Sep 30 21:11:34 <nokipup> ok how do i set the username/pwd?
Sep 30 21:11:57 <arj> can't remember how I did that :/
Sep 30 21:12:10 <nokipup> with the other server it's just vncpasswd
Sep 30 21:12:16 <arj> the pass is encrypted in some way
Sep 30 21:12:30 <arj> ok
Sep 30 21:12:34 <arj> I have vncserver here also
Sep 30 21:12:58 <arj> but you said that vncserver was working ok?
Sep 30 21:13:14 <nokipup> no not on this machine - the other machine just died
Sep 30 21:16:09 <nokipup> the howto says it will prompt me for a passwd
Sep 30 21:16:59 <nokipup> dolfun@white:~/.vnc$ vnc4server -geometry 800x480 -depth 16 :1
Sep 30 21:16:59 <nokipup> vnc4server: couldn't find "vncpasswd" on your PATH.
Sep 30 21:16:59 <nokipup> dolfun@white:~/.vnc$ vnc4server -geometry 800x480 -depth 16 :1 -PasswordFile ~/.vnc/passwd
Sep 30 21:17:02 <nokipup> vnc4server: couldn't find "vncpasswd" on your PATH.
Sep 30 21:21:00 <arj> ok I'm trying vncserver now
Sep 30 21:21:18 <arj> YES
Sep 30 21:21:20 <arj> it works
Sep 30 21:21:24 * arj hugs nokipup 
Sep 30 21:21:28 <arj> thanks a lot man!
Sep 30 21:21:51 <arj> you don't know many times I've been so close to throwing the nokia because of that problem :D
Sep 30 21:22:44 <nokipup> :)
Sep 30 21:24:18 * arj does the happy dance
Sep 30 21:24:37 <nokipup> hehe
Sep 30 21:25:10 <nokipup> it's pretty great imo
Sep 30 21:25:25 <arj> very, I run my media center using it :)
Sep 30 21:25:50 <nokipup> yeah
Sep 30 21:26:13 <nokipup> it would be nice to have a 1920x1080 tv on the computer
Sep 30 21:27:27 <nokipup> 42" full HD will be under 1000 euro in a year or two
Sep 30 21:27:52 <arj> lol
Sep 30 21:28:01 <arj> it was just the -screen command I had added
Sep 30 21:28:06 <arj> :<
Sep 30 21:45:30 <nokipup> Enders: ah
Sep 30 21:45:34 <nokipup> ehrm sorry
Sep 30 23:13:40 <|R> does anyone know of a full aluminium case for the n800?
Oct 01 00:08:32 <Mikho> argh
Oct 01 00:09:03 <Mikho> I just realized you'll have to be very careful when calling gtk functions in a multithreaded program
Oct 01 00:10:28 <Mikho> I forgot about syncronization in one single gtk_combo_box_insert_text and it destroyed *everything* 50% of the time when the program encountered the function call
Oct 01 00:47:51 <SenileBob> Hey everyone, I'm looking for a developer who would be interested in working for our company on a software application to run on the N800. pm me if you're interested.
Oct 01 02:04:17 <SenileBob> Hey everyone, I'm looking for a developer who would be interested in working for our company on a software application to run on the N800. pm me if you're interested.
Oct 01 02:25:54 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh, I'm really hoping the prototype photos of the slider aren't going to be anything like the final product.
Oct 01 02:26:16 <GeneralAntilles> Not having d-pad on the outside is a pretty big usability-killer.
Oct 01 02:42:56 <|R> Does the new BlueZ support in Maemo 4.0 means that in the near future we'll be able to use bluetooth headsets with VoIP apps? :D
Oct 01 02:43:28 <zerojay> Someone from Nokia said that if someone simply compiled bluez right now, we'd have AD2P working.
Oct 01 02:45:25 <|R> AD2P is for headphones sinks only though righ?
Oct 01 02:45:27 <|R> t
Oct 01 02:45:41 <zerojay> I honestly don't know.
Oct 01 02:46:30 <|R> ok, i'm just over exited, i'll probably get my n800 tomorrow morning :P
Oct 01 02:46:51 <zerojay> Hah.. I know that excitement well.
Oct 01 02:46:58 <zerojay> Even 5 months later, I still have it.
Oct 01 02:47:09 <|R> :)
Oct 01 02:47:30 <|R> I hope later this year i'll be able to pair it with an OpenMoko to share it's GPS ;)
Oct 01 02:47:49 <GeneralAntilles> <3 Maemo Mapper
Oct 01 02:48:13 <GeneralAntilles> Using Google for that stuff was genius
Oct 01 02:48:16 <|R> GeneralAntilles : can you use it as an archive too without a GPS? like d/ling the whole city and then just browsing it ?
Oct 01 02:48:22 <zerojay> Yes.
Oct 01 02:48:25 <GeneralAntilles> Yessir
Oct 01 02:48:28 <GeneralAntilles> Works great, too.
Oct 01 02:48:28 <|R> woooohooo!
Oct 01 02:48:37 <|R> How much space does it take? :)
Oct 01 02:48:48 <zerojay> Depends on the maps and detail levels you grab.
Oct 01 02:49:11 <|R> i live in Montreal... i'd probably grab the whole island, or at least half of it.
Oct 01 02:49:12 <GeneralAntilles> Medium-sized city down to the finest detail is about ~150-200MB
Oct 01 02:49:27 <|R> ok, should fit on any SD then :)
Oct 01 02:49:37 <|R> I've read about SD corruption on a forum, is it still a problem?
Oct 01 02:49:47 <zerojay> There's a supposed hotfix being released on the 2nd to fix the memory card corruption issues when copying files to the external slot when the machine goes into power saving mode.
Oct 01 02:49:51 <GeneralAntilles> Unfortunately, downloads much over 20MB tend to get bogged down and stall for some reason.
Oct 01 02:49:54 <zerojay> So be ready for that, JR.
Oct 01 02:50:38 <|R> Ok, well i probably won't have received any card by tuesday and will still be drooling over browsing while cooking or something ;)
Oct 01 02:50:46 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Oct 01 02:50:47 <zerojay> Just warning ya.
Oct 01 02:50:52 <|R> yeah thanks :)
Oct 01 02:51:42 <zerojay> The tablet is great. I was on my way home from work.. I left early when I was sick.. so I was listening to music on my way home and I get a block away from my place when I hear the "new message" sound.
Oct 01 02:51:57 <|R> So how exactly is this structured? you have a firmware with a boot loader (uBoot?) and then an image with the kernel and software (OS)... and once it's flashed you can use the rest of the card for what you want... building a new kernel is a no go because there are some binary kernel modules?
Oct 01 02:51:59 <zerojay> Thing picked up my wifi from that far away... it was awesome.
Oct 01 02:52:15 <|R> haha cool :)
Oct 01 02:52:26 <GeneralAntilles> The ITs have the best wifi sensitivity I've ever seen.
Oct 01 02:52:32 <zerojay> Absolutely.
Oct 01 02:52:36 <GeneralAntilles> 3g + Rhapsody in the car is the best.
Oct 01 02:52:57 <zerojay> I'd do the same here, but Canadian data plans are incredibly expensive.
Oct 01 02:53:04 <GeneralAntilles> So I've heard
Oct 01 02:53:05 <|R> i hope i can get kismet / ssh / mozilla / SIP agnostic VoIP / ... working :)
Oct 01 02:53:15 <GeneralAntilles> I'm on the $20/mo unlimited AT&T plan
Oct 01 02:53:21 <|R> GSM in canada is a monopoly...
Oct 01 02:53:25 <|R> only one company :(
Oct 01 02:53:29 <zerojay> If I'm lucky, 100MB for $100.
Oct 01 02:53:34 <GeneralAntilles> Yeesh
Oct 01 02:53:35 <|R> the rest is CDMA
Oct 01 02:53:46 <zerojay> I work for a cell phone gaming company.. and even we get ripped off.
Oct 01 02:53:56 <zerojay> Makes it killer to test our games because of the transfers we have to do.
Oct 01 02:53:59 <|R> we're getting mostly ripped off that's why i want a VoIP SIP phone and eventually find a way to ditch my cell :P
Oct 01 02:54:16 <|R> hehe
Oct 01 02:54:20 <zerojay> I use a gizmo account.. well, sipphone.com, technically.
Oct 01 02:54:30 <zerojay> I just use it with the RTCOMM beta.
Oct 01 02:54:31 <|R> zerojay : which one? i have too many people working in cell phone companies
Oct 01 02:54:39 <|R> i have an asterisk at home
Oct 01 02:54:46 <|R> so i hope i can get my phone from home on the road ;0
Oct 01 02:54:54 <zerojay> I'm in a division of Ubisoft.
Oct 01 02:55:16 <|R> competitor of JamDat who was bought up by EA i guess
Oct 01 02:55:30 <zerojay> Jamdat was bought by EA, yeah.
Oct 01 02:55:39 <zerojay> I know a few people that worked there or do now.
Oct 01 02:55:53 <|R> Do they only have offices in Mtl ?
Oct 01 02:56:03 <zerojay> We're more a developer than a publisher like Jamdat though.
Oct 01 02:56:04 <|R> i had a friend work there for the summer
Oct 01 02:56:10 <zerojay> No.. they have several places all over.
Oct 01 02:56:15 <|R> working on bjewel :)
Oct 01 02:56:52 <zerojay> I couldn't ask for a better place to work.
Oct 01 02:57:00 <zerojay> Aside from all the phones.
Oct 01 02:57:16 <|R> i hope you have a good eye insurance ;)
Oct 01 02:58:07 <zerojay> It's funny going into a cell phone store with a coworker and watching the clerks faces as we walk around pointing out phones... "Crap, crap, crap, horrible JVM, massively buggy, that's okay... oh shit, they still make these?"
Oct 01 02:58:16 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Oct 01 02:58:21 <|R> haha :D
Oct 01 02:58:30 <GeneralAntilles> Cellphone stores are a joke
Oct 01 02:58:40 <zerojay> I think we've got maybe 350 phones at work.. US and European.
Oct 01 02:58:54 <|R> hehe got an OpenMoko yet? ;)
Oct 01 02:59:02 <zerojay> Nope.
Oct 01 02:59:22 <zerojay> We don't really get much of a choice over what phones we develop for.
Oct 01 02:59:43 <zerojay> Our publisher gets prereleases from Cingular, Verizon and others and asks us for blind builds for the phones.
Oct 01 02:59:49 <bmidgley> anyone playing around with the vmware appliance for maemo/bora?
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