**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 01 02:59:56 2007 Oct 01 02:59:57 Sometimes, we don't even know the resolution beforehand. Oct 01 02:59:59 <|R> I live like 10 minute walks from the main Ubisoft building here Oct 01 03:00:12 <|R> but the only person i've met from there was a sysadmin :) Oct 01 03:00:50 I guess I shouldn't say I work for Ubi anymore.. our company was sort of a project of Ubi's, but just last week, we separated from them officially. Oct 01 03:01:01 <|R> hehe ok Oct 01 03:01:11 It's been a long time since I've been down to Ubi in Montreal. Oct 01 03:01:19 <|R> I was going to ask... Oct 01 03:01:20 I remember the original offices there downtown. Oct 01 03:01:29 <|R> now there a bit more north :) Oct 01 03:01:31 I forget the name of the street.. but it was near Guy metro. Oct 01 03:01:33 <|R> they're i mean Oct 01 03:01:52 And right downstairs from their office was a computer place selling PS2 modchips. Oct 01 03:02:02 <|R> haha Oct 01 03:02:15 You have to have balls to do that. Oct 01 03:02:54 <|R> i'm not very often in that part of time (except when i worked there at the begining of the year) Oct 01 03:03:09 <|R> but all the towers / offices are there so that makes sense :) Oct 01 03:03:16 <|R> where are you located? Oct 01 03:03:23 I'm in Quebec City right now. Oct 01 03:03:31 <|R> oh hehe, not too far :) Oct 01 03:03:37 Nah, not too far from home. Oct 01 03:03:51 <|R> So you're from montreal? Oct 01 03:03:59 Yeah, it's my hometown. Oct 01 03:04:18 <|R> haha ok! i thought you were in the states, go figure ;) Oct 01 03:04:18 Been here working since... Halloween 2005. Oct 01 03:04:40 Everyone in my office seems to think I'm from the US, heh. Oct 01 03:05:04 <|R> Are you working in french or english? Oct 01 03:05:09 Both. Oct 01 03:05:27 <|R> ok :) Oct 01 03:05:35 According to the law, it's supposed to be all in French, but our head office is in NYC, so... not really possible. Oct 01 03:05:53 <|R> hehe yeah, being from montreal too i know ;) Oct 01 03:06:12 <|R> But it's actually fun to work in a 50/50 environment Oct 01 03:06:27 <|R> if i could speak spanish, a 33/33/33 would be even more so haha ;) Oct 01 03:06:38 Almost everyone here understands English well enough anyways, so it sometimes happens that I'll have conversations with people where I'm speaking only in English and they're in French. Oct 01 03:07:06 <|R> It would be pretty hard to get by with computers without understanding english Oct 01 03:07:21 We had a Mexican guy running QA. What a disaster. Oct 01 03:07:26 Not because he was Mexican. Oct 01 03:07:26 <|R> haha :) Oct 01 03:07:51 But he claims to be trilingual.. and he didn't seem to understand English, French or Spanish. :/ Oct 01 03:08:05 <|R> Yeah... last job i had at the beginning of the year... Oct 01 03:08:29 <|R> i had a guy under me claiming to have an engineering degree from Dubai... in Computer Eng... Oct 01 03:08:43 <|R> I've never ever seen anyone this bad with computers working in the field Oct 01 03:08:51 Hah. Oct 01 03:08:58 <|R> i couldn't believe it... and the guy was bullshitting all the way that he had qualifications Oct 01 03:09:06 <|R> i've met better people at the beginning of high school! Oct 01 03:09:43 My best friend was the head of programming.. and he let me see some of the tests we send out to people that want to work for us. Oct 01 03:10:02 Usually, it's one or two problems.. simple stuff. Oct 01 03:10:14 Except that because we work on phones, we have VERY limited memory Oct 01 03:10:22 So we have to recycle like crazy. Oct 01 03:10:40 <|R> lot of Demo Scene fans ? ;) Oct 01 03:10:50 At the top of the test, it says "DO NOT CREATE VARIABLES IN YOUR ANSWER" Oct 01 03:10:59 (We've got a few of those working with us. :) Oct 01 03:11:17 9/10 times, the very first line in their answers: Oct 01 03:11:18 <|R> Ever met a Dominic in Montreal? Oct 01 03:11:24 int i; Oct 01 03:11:27 NOOOOOOOOOOOO Oct 01 03:11:30 <|R> working at DTI (doing plane games...) Oct 01 03:11:36 <|R> haha Oct 01 03:11:38 I've met a ton of them. Oct 01 03:11:52 Can't say I know him offhand. Oct 01 03:11:52 <|R> Decax by his alias Oct 01 03:12:27 <|R> Or Joanathan, the guy who organised Coma Demo parties... Oct 01 03:12:35 <|R> s/Joa/Jo Oct 01 03:12:39 That sounds familiar, actually. Oct 01 03:15:08 <|R> Pretty small world... Oct 01 03:15:51 would like to see a nice demo on the 770 Oct 01 03:16:17 Would be a nice challenge. Oct 01 03:16:36 i have source for a future crew demo here somewhere Oct 01 03:16:47 <|R> And a freakin' good marketing idea ;) Oct 01 03:16:47 but.. x86, vga trix all of it Oct 01 03:16:56 <|R> haha go future crew! Oct 01 03:17:01 <|R> second reality should be ported :P Oct 01 03:17:08 <|R> good luck though Oct 01 03:17:19 i think some of them went on to work on Max Payne Oct 01 03:17:55 <|R> Uhm, where are the hidden infinit fractal level with phong shading? :P Oct 01 03:18:50 xaos almost runs ok on the 770 Oct 01 03:19:00 the little fire mini-demo from the pc works nice Oct 01 03:19:35 anyway... Oct 01 03:20:06 ooh somebody said demoscene Oct 01 03:20:46 Hardcore demoscene programmers are some of the best guys to hire in my line of work. Oct 01 03:21:00 So long as you don't get ALL demoscene coders. Oct 01 03:21:15 Or else... surprise, your game feels more like a demo. Oct 01 03:21:23 <|R> haha Oct 01 03:21:39 you do games for phones? Oct 01 03:21:41 <|R> real demo shouldn't make people want to touch keys, so you're ok :P Oct 01 03:21:49 "Why are the main characters waving all over the screen? Why are there shoutouts?" Oct 01 03:21:57 "BECAUSE IT'S COOL!" Oct 01 03:21:58 <|R> ahaha Oct 01 03:22:01 pupnikafk: Yeah. Oct 01 03:22:10 "what's with that sine scroll" :P Oct 01 03:22:14 nice Oct 01 03:22:17 disq: Exactly. lol Oct 01 03:22:27 disq: As if most phones could even handle that at decent speeds. Oct 01 03:22:36 <|R> well, 286 could! :P Oct 01 03:22:48 Most phones can't. Oct 01 03:22:54 Either because of sheer performance issues. Oct 01 03:22:56 Or bugs. Oct 01 03:23:01 Bad, bad bugs. Oct 01 03:23:15 LIke the Samsung that always -1 from all FillRects. Oct 01 03:23:21 <|R> haha, replace the OS live! you can do it! ;) Oct 01 03:23:43 What happens when you draw a rect with a width of 1? Well, you get fucking nothing, that's what. Oct 01 03:24:20 I can't remember which phone that was offhand.. a Samsung, maybe BREW. Oct 01 03:24:20 so you can't hline? Oct 01 03:24:37 disq: Even that gets -1. Oct 01 03:24:57 ah, width. i got it as height Oct 01 03:25:03 So all over our code, we had to check if it was that damn phone and we just did number +1. Oct 01 03:25:29 I believe it was only an issue on the bottom and top parts of a fillrect. Oct 01 03:25:37 The thickness of the rect line. Oct 01 03:26:02 So you draw a rect with a thickness of 1.. and you get this | | Oct 01 03:26:52 The Sagem phones that like to reserve color index 2 for a weird 50% alpha transparency... Oct 01 03:27:16 That was cause for quite a few WTF moments. Oct 01 03:27:18 so you basically build your own framework to wrap the common api functions Oct 01 03:27:30 Yeah, that's right. Oct 01 03:27:43 my friends at a similar company here ("tikle", and here is turkey) did the same thing Oct 01 03:27:58 Its the only way you can port to other phones quickly enough. Oct 01 03:28:05 Ha Oct 01 03:28:06 Gameloft used to hire one programmer per phone. Oct 01 03:28:17 What kind of jokers do they have working at these phone companies? >_> Oct 01 03:28:38 They couldn't figure out how we were able to spend only $20 porting to a new Moto when they paid $2200. Oct 01 03:28:51 one coder per phone is a fun approach :) Oct 01 03:29:03 Even more fun about that approach: Oct 01 03:29:13 Completely separate code bases per phone. Oct 01 03:29:18 <|R> hahaha Oct 01 03:29:19 lol Oct 01 03:29:48 <|R> i know a guy there too... i'll ask him next time on which phone he is working :P Oct 01 03:29:52 Ours was one code base for all phones. We use #defines to set up the phone we want to build for and its stats (JAR size, etc..)... and that's that. Oct 01 03:30:08 jR: I think they stopped that six months ago. Oct 01 03:30:36 So Gameloft would ask for our source for phone A and I would send them back the same e-mail telling them that the source for ALL the phones was the same. Oct 01 03:30:44 And they would say "that's not possible". Oct 01 03:30:50 FUCKING READ IT. Oct 01 03:31:13 <|R> haha Oct 01 03:31:13 So yeah.. lol... Oct 01 03:31:59 Most of the time, we get a new phone in (either physically or at a different office) and within about 20 minutes with the basic specs, we have a running version of our games for it. Oct 01 03:32:05 Most of the time. Oct 01 03:32:30 Occasionally, we'll get a prerelease from Cingular for a week and it's completely retarded or something. Oct 01 03:32:42 Gotta love Nokia. Oct 01 03:32:54 6230.. 6230i.. NOTHING IS THE SAME. Oct 01 03:32:58 Not even the resolution. Oct 01 03:33:02 <|R> haha Oct 01 03:33:30 3650 and 7650, stay the hell away from it. Oct 01 03:33:41 The JVM's garbage collector *does not work*. Oct 01 03:33:51 did they fix that in 6600? Oct 01 03:34:05 6600 doesn't have any problems like that. We support it. Oct 01 03:34:13 i had a 6600 for a while, first time they were around. then it was too slow for me and i switched back to s40 phones Oct 01 03:34:29 Gotta love the 3220. Oct 01 03:34:35 Or as we call it around the office, the disco phone. Oct 01 03:34:59 the clubber phone. it's dpad is uncomfortable though. i got one for mom a few years back Oct 01 03:35:03 Thing has white plastic patches on the sides for lights to go off like you're at a rave. Oct 01 03:35:21 We discovered that the white plastic where the lights are also work extremely well as a pencil eraser. Oct 01 03:35:22 i have the 6021. a little thick compared to today's tech, but it's almost 2 years old Oct 01 03:35:26 LIke those white ones. Oct 01 03:35:43 I don't think we have the 6021 at work. Oct 01 03:36:01 let me guess.. 128x128 screen? Oct 01 03:36:23 i'd like to get a thinner edge-capable nokia with a joystick but there aren't many options, they switched back to fucking dpads Oct 01 03:36:31 well. not sure Oct 01 03:36:49 Our games are meant for 128x??? phones... and our publisher says "we need you to port for this Moto"... can't remember the model. Oct 01 03:36:58 I think it was a pay as you go. Oct 01 03:37:13 Thing had a screen of 96x62 or something like that. Oct 01 03:37:32 yeah the 6021 is 128x128 Oct 01 03:38:14 I remember we once got in this Samsung.. thing looked like a complete ripoff of the ipod nanos... but FAR smaller. Oct 01 03:38:29 So small that the keys were only two on a row instead of the usual three. Oct 01 03:38:37 Cost something insane like $800. Oct 01 03:38:58 Well, the guy that ordered it didn't bother checking on the phone before ordering it for us. Oct 01 03:39:14 I get it in my hands and find out the damn thing doesn't even have Java on it. Oct 01 03:39:20 Ha Oct 01 03:39:26 two row keys.. i guess you had to change the key configuration on the games Oct 01 03:39:34 There were no games. Oct 01 03:39:38 ah, no java, ok Oct 01 03:39:39 There was no way to run them. lol Oct 01 03:39:40 missed it Oct 01 03:40:01 So we just use it as an expensive paperweight. Oct 01 03:40:33 It's amazing the crap that the cellular market spews out. Oct 01 03:40:42 Don't get Virgin Mobile phones if you can help it. Oct 01 03:41:08 The standards that we usually have to follow say that the JAD file for our games must have a newline at the end of it. Oct 01 03:41:17 Guess what happens on the Virgin phones? Oct 01 03:41:22 lol Oct 01 03:41:26 They puke all over the place when they see the newline. Oct 01 03:42:13 Nokia N95.. great phones. Oct 01 03:42:25 what's the product life cycle of phones? Oct 01 03:42:28 But we had a bug on them for a while. Oct 01 03:42:36 6 months? 9 months? Oct 01 03:42:39 "Can't download the game, always says certificate error" Oct 01 03:42:57 Turns out that it didn't like the fact that we used a capital letter somewhere. Oct 01 03:43:11 pupnikafk: About that. Oct 01 03:43:17 i expect a lot of this is due to time constraints Oct 01 03:43:26 Most likely. Oct 01 03:43:57 We had a party at work when we found out Sendo went bankrupt a year or so ago. Oct 01 03:43:59 so most of your customers are OEMs? or do you have a games portal or what Oct 01 03:44:30 We've got a publisher for our mobile games stuff. They get requests direct from the phone providers. Oct 01 03:44:39 ok Oct 01 03:44:43 Cingular, Verizon, O2, Telefonica, etc... Oct 01 03:45:05 They tell us when some new phones are coming out, we build our games for them. Oct 01 03:45:30 Unlike console games where you sell a ton around your release and taper off... cell phone games can have much longer lifespans. Oct 01 03:46:08 You get lower returns monthly, but it's steady.. and there's always new phones to target. Oct 01 03:46:21 Our first game is going on three years now, I think. Oct 01 03:47:05 Got a website? Oct 01 03:47:24 It's cute seeing our game designers thinking that phones can handle stuff like scaling sprites easily. Naive. Oct 01 03:47:31 the 6300 looks like a nice upgrade to the 6021 Oct 01 03:47:35 GeneralAntilles: http://www.longtailstudios.com Oct 01 03:47:48 disq: Pretty sure we have that one. Oct 01 03:48:29 Love Triangle? Haha Oct 01 03:48:29 GeneralAntilles: Our released games are mostly love/relationship themed (they were going to be sort of flirty and risque originally). Oct 01 03:48:52 Until almost every phone provider told us that our games were "too hot" for them. Oct 01 03:49:12 Even Japan. Oct 01 03:49:17 Ha Oct 01 03:49:27 And they have fucking tentacle penis monsters on daytime TV! Oct 01 03:49:48 Even our toned down versions were too much. Oct 01 03:49:52 It was horrible. Oct 01 03:50:24 Imagine... you've got this flirty little game and suddenly they tell you you can't even have the characters talk about kissing. Oct 01 03:50:27 WTF Oct 01 03:50:36 Weird Oct 01 03:50:53 They wouldn't even tell us what was wrong. Oct 01 03:51:06 They would just send our text back and say it was rejected. Oct 01 03:51:13 After 3 months. Oct 01 03:51:20 gah. this one too has a d-pad. i want joysticks Oct 01 03:52:09 As a person that started off in QA and has probably played with almost every phone you've thought about, trust me, you don't want those little ball nub things that pass for cell phone joysticks. Oct 01 03:52:50 I used my phone for making phone calls and sending data around Oct 01 03:52:55 Make it small, that's about all I want. Oct 01 03:53:29 Work is fun. Tons of bluetooth phones around... so you can play around. Oct 01 03:53:29 why, they're much more comfortable than using dpads. selecting something (clicking on something) with a dpad can be horrendous Oct 01 03:53:44 I sent every phone in the office the price is right theme song renamed to 1.mp3. Oct 01 03:53:49 It spread like wildfire. Oct 01 03:54:25 disq: Maybe in average use cases, you'd be right... but after 8 hours a day, neither one of them feel too good. Oct 01 03:54:27 yeah all i want is bluetooth+edge/whatever and normal battery life Oct 01 03:55:04 Battery life is a big problem at work too. Oct 01 03:55:09 if the n800 was a solid product (in terms of software and speed) i wouldn't even want it to have a phone book or a microphone/speaker Oct 01 03:55:26 i'd just pair it off and put it somewhere on my belt or something Oct 01 03:55:27 I hate getting a phone and finding it's 30 seconds away from death.. and every single socket on the entire floor is already being used. Oct 01 03:56:11 I find it pretty solid.. but then again, I've been using nothing but open source stuff for 7 years. Oct 01 03:56:27 N800 is great. Oct 01 03:56:27 Wal-Mart forced Duke Nukem to censor some things - friend of mine was negotiating that Oct 01 03:56:35 i would suggest you keep spare batteries but with every brand there's a few different types of batt packs already Oct 01 03:56:36 Just managed to get together a UPnP server Oct 01 03:56:40 pupnik: You can't say no to them either. Oct 01 03:56:54 disq: Yeah, there's just too much. Oct 01 03:57:01 wish I had trancoding or a hardware MPEG4 encoder, though Oct 01 03:57:17 it's just not phone-stable (sans the early s60 phones :P ) what if it crashes during an emergency and that kind of things worry me Oct 01 03:57:32 disq: Yeah, it's not that stable. Oct 01 03:57:44 Meh, who cares about stable. It's not phone form-factor. Oct 01 03:57:55 I'm not walking around with my N800 on the side of my face. Oct 01 03:58:04 Like the N-Gage. Oct 01 03:58:08 Sidetalkin. Oct 01 03:58:09 ;) Oct 01 03:58:35 if you want to replace it with your phone (use a bt-enabled dummy sim-box on your keychain instead) that stuff worries you. but yeah, i love my n800. hell i love my 770 too. Oct 01 03:59:00 http://sidetalking.com/photos.html Oct 01 03:59:04 sidetalking. lol Oct 01 03:59:06 770s make great couch browsers Oct 01 03:59:07 that site rocks Oct 01 03:59:10 Hey everyone, I'm looking for a developer who would be interested in working for our company on a software application to run on the N800. pm me if you have the skills and the time. Oct 01 03:59:30 the project involves home automation Oct 01 03:59:46 SenileBob: No offence, man.. but I'm not too sure I'd want to work for a guy with a name like SenileBob. ;) Oct 01 03:59:51 haha Oct 01 03:59:52 * disq hopes that nokia brings sidetalking back with the new tablet :P Oct 01 04:00:09 yeah, that could be the reason you didn't get much replies Oct 01 04:00:20 its just a name guys...cmon :P Oct 01 04:00:26 disq: http://sidetalking.com/Images-Disturbing/st9.jpg Oct 01 04:00:52 sidetalking? Oct 01 04:01:05 A friend of mine was going through so much overtime at work that he said he had a nightmare that the Nokia hands were strangling him. Oct 01 04:01:16 haha Oct 01 04:01:24 Haha Oct 01 04:01:38 pupnik: On the Nokia N-Gage and N-Gage QD, the speaker was on the side of the phone.. sort of like where the USB connector is on the N800. Oct 01 04:01:43 So you had to hold it sideways. Oct 01 04:02:03 i need a tentacle logo hack Oct 01 04:02:33 but seriously, other than being scared to work for a Senile bloke named Bob, anyone interested in developing an app for the N800 for our company? Oct 01 04:02:50 pupnik: http://sidetalking.com/Images-General/Image(02).jpg <-- exactly like that.. but slightly smaller. ;) Oct 01 04:03:26 You had to hold the thing the same way. Oct 01 04:03:55 And Nokia made the priceless mistake in the first version of the N-Gage to put the cartridge slot UNDER the battery. Oct 01 04:04:25 "Hang on, I gotta unplug my PS3 before I can switch games." Oct 01 04:04:27 http://doogs.typepad.com/blog/images/fsm.jpg Oct 01 04:04:51 Hah. Oct 01 04:05:05 I think one of the artists has that next to her desk. Oct 01 04:05:45 SenileBob: Do you have a job posting somewhere? Oct 01 04:05:59 http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/30/ginormous-razr-2-crashes-into-mercedes-film-at-eleven/ <-- now you know why it's called a RAZR. Oct 01 04:06:19 i'm wondering about a job posting too Oct 01 04:07:05 though i'm not really interested in one-time projects. would take a maemo oriented job though Oct 01 04:07:25 too many "though"s. Oct 01 04:08:02 pupnik: no job posting, dont want a bunch of people applying who dont have the skills, such a waste of time that way Oct 01 04:08:52 we just need a developer who knows their stuff re: N800 application development, and can work with us to get something ready ASAP. Oct 01 04:09:46 I have found in the past that its much easier to find the perfect developer in IRC channels dedicated to a device Oct 01 04:09:48 not a lot of europeans awake right now, btw Oct 01 04:10:21 ya, i guessed that when there was really no activity earlier on Oct 01 04:11:40 I am used to workin around the various world times, coz I live in Australia where the people arent that easy to come by for the work we need done. Oct 01 04:12:04 all i do is port SDL games btw Oct 01 04:12:26 SDL? Oct 01 04:12:27 <_Monkey> SDL is, like, Simple DirectMedia Layer http://www.libsdl.org Oct 01 04:13:07 you probably want someone who knows gtk/hildon well Oct 01 04:13:17 it's about home automation so they probably want a customizable/themable screen with buttons and preferences and has an API at the back to talk to Oct 01 04:13:25 the app we need developed is basically a touch screen interface for controlling your home, so needs to do a fair bit of 2d drawing, etc... Oct 01 04:13:37 disq: basically :) Oct 01 04:14:53 basically the app needs to read XML (with predefined button locations, sizes, and the path to the image files) and draw it on the screen, then communicate with the control system processor via wifi Oct 01 04:15:29 What sort of home automation? Oct 01 04:15:32 Crestron Oct 01 04:15:47 the high end of the scale :) Oct 01 04:16:20 we would also like to turn the N800 into a dedicated control device - ie. kiosk mode with just our custom app running, and maybe a web browser. Oct 01 04:17:20 then rebrand/sell the devices like the wireless security thingy (don't remember the name) did with the 770? Oct 01 04:17:33 should also make custom faceplates Oct 01 04:17:52 rebrand not necessary, but always an option i guess Oct 01 04:18:21 anyone got more info on that wireless security thingy? id be interested to see what they did :) Oct 01 04:19:32 sounds like a simple project Oct 01 04:19:57 it was a product to scan wifi networks for "security flaws" (you know what that means :P ) Oct 01 04:20:59 $3200 Oct 01 04:21:02 Biggest scam ever. Oct 01 04:21:52 /msg nickserv set unfiltered on Oct 01 04:22:02 sorry... Oct 01 04:22:30 does anyone know how to disable the stupid "checking whether build environment is sane" in configure? Oct 01 04:22:33 it is so stupid Oct 01 04:22:37 really stupid Oct 01 04:24:03 why is it stupid? you want to build on a broken system? Oct 01 04:28:47 are my PM's getting through disq? Oct 01 04:28:53 if you're building a debian package you can add -nc to skip the clean Oct 01 04:29:06 need to register your nick SenileBob Oct 01 04:29:35 yeah i just did, and now my pms dont seem to be getting blocked, but no replies Oct 01 04:29:45 ill try with u pupnik Oct 01 04:29:57 get my msg? Oct 01 04:31:26 yes Oct 01 04:32:54 arr Oct 01 04:33:06 how is everyone doing? long time since I joined Oct 01 04:33:13 bye Oct 01 04:33:24 we raised 1.2 million in a week! :) Oct 01 04:33:39 pupnik: whom is we? Oct 01 04:33:46 ronpaul2008.com :) Oct 01 04:33:56 Really? Oct 01 04:33:56 Wow Oct 01 04:33:58 Go Paul! Oct 01 04:34:06 pupnik: looking Oct 01 04:34:58 Yes, i'm excited to see 3rd quarter results Oct 01 04:34:58 pupnik: but you are in Germany,... Oct 01 04:35:49 yep :) Oct 01 04:36:52 pupnik: well, he shares a lot of my views, interesting that you mentioned him Oct 01 04:36:55 Ron Paul would also help bring the german troops home Oct 01 04:37:24 The internet loves Ron Paul :) Oct 01 04:37:30 pupnik: I see, wikipedia tells me Oct 01 04:37:48 pupnik: also, my Austrian roots tell me I would like his philosophies Oct 01 04:38:26 Too bad he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell at winning. :( Oct 01 04:39:17 vegas betters upgraded him from 200:1 to 8:1. I think giuliani is a 4:! Oct 01 04:39:33 Giuliani can burn Oct 01 04:39:40 Man's a goddamn fascist Oct 01 04:41:46 yes Oct 01 04:46:11 well, definitely Ron Paul's internet support is high Oct 01 04:46:19 highest youtube views and subscribers Oct 01 04:46:58 yep, and "Ron Paul" even beat out "Paris Hilton" for google searches a few months ago Oct 01 04:47:38 feel free to join ##RonPaul on freenode for more chat Oct 01 04:48:35 So, any reactions on the renewed possibility that that Nokia prototype might actually be the new IT? Oct 01 04:49:12 how 'renewed'? Oct 01 04:49:47 thoughtfix evidently found some FCC docs indicating that it may not be just another smartphone as was assumed. Oct 01 04:50:11 no info here Oct 01 04:51:30 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10023&page=12 Oct 01 04:51:35 I think it's on that page. Oct 01 05:26:04 dumb, dumb nokia. the 6300 has a headphone jack. guess the diameter. 2.5mm's Oct 01 06:28:21 Anybody familiar with the "Automatic Connection" stuff (source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh, etc.) ? Oct 01 06:31:17 you can implement that with libconic Oct 01 06:31:42 but on maemo 2.x libconic is not distributed. i compiled it though and it's available in the garage repositories (and maemoscrobbler uses it) Oct 01 06:32:30 real easy api to silently check if the device is connected or trigger a connection request Oct 01 06:34:56 Any idea why connectivity_preload.sh might work with one instantiation of gnome_vfs_read_entire_file(), but not in another instantiation? (Not in the same binary, but from the same codebase - just different versions of the code.) Oct 01 06:35:18 s/instantiation/invocation/g Oct 01 06:35:21 gnuite meant: Any idea why connectivity_preload.sh might work with one invocation of gnome_vfs_read_entire_file(), but not in another invocation? (Not in the same binary, but from the same codebase - just different versions of the code.) Oct 01 06:37:52 you have libconic for 770? nice disq - i will mention it on the acmonitor page Oct 01 06:53:24 gnuite: no idea Oct 01 06:54:09 pupnik: it just compiles and works ok, didn't need any changes Oct 01 06:54:54 (it's a wrapper for libosso-ic* anyways) Oct 01 08:41:04 good morning... Oct 01 08:43:40 hiyas... can i build a gtk app that needs cairo stuff? Oct 01 08:43:42 wb AD-N770 Oct 01 08:44:32 good morning from Barcelona, sunny day here :) Oct 01 08:46:20 hi, i'm having probs with libgpg-error0... libgpg-error-minimal is installed and making libgpg-error0 install fail... both are needed by other packages Oct 01 09:09:48 AD-N770: angband + SDL running here Oct 01 09:11:18 pupnik: really busy nowadays, I would like spend time to find what is causing random segfault on my nethack port, but I don't know when I will be able to do that :( Oct 01 09:11:56 :/ Oct 01 09:12:23 maybe someone will come to rescue somday - how often does it segfault? Oct 01 09:15:38 angband on maemo? :o Oct 01 09:16:12 anyone ported adom yet? Oct 01 09:16:32 (which may not be open source, actually) Oct 01 09:17:35 good morning(~ugt) Oct 01 09:17:47 the only real good roguelike port is AD-N770 's nethack, flip^ Oct 01 09:17:57 but if you have a bluetooth keyboard, tome and angband will work ok Oct 01 09:20:14 the problem with the nethack port is that its graphical... i know its a graphical OS, but if i want to play one of the old games, i want it text and not scrolling Oct 01 09:20:21 tbh, i want the original rogue :) Oct 01 09:20:38 Oct 01 09:21:24 hmm i don't see rogue in debian Oct 01 09:21:30 stylus control kind of needs gui Oct 01 09:22:02 i want to play with left-hand dpad and RH thumb only Oct 01 09:22:07 oh, i don't mind a gui. i might a graphical tileset and scrolling Oct 01 09:22:17 er Oct 01 09:22:17 mind Oct 01 09:22:47 i'd rather have the normal character based tileset too Oct 01 09:22:59 fuck do i know what sprite is what :p Oct 01 09:23:07 * flip^ grins Oct 01 09:23:11 yeah, I like letters Oct 01 09:23:17 * flip^ needs to find a reasonably priced, reasonable quality bluetooth keyboard that works with a N800 and N95, and is available in the UK... a tall order, or any thoughts? Oct 01 09:24:39 does it need to be pocketable too? Oct 01 09:25:02 Ideally, but I could live without that if absolutely necessary Oct 01 09:27:54 does qgil ever come in here? It doesn't feel like it Oct 01 09:28:11 seen him few times in the channel.. Oct 01 09:28:12 <_Monkey> I haven't seen 'him', jani Oct 01 09:28:37 _Monkey: seen qgil Oct 01 09:28:38 <_Monkey> qgil was last seen on #maemo 13 days, 19 hours, 1 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: we have completed the upload and we are doing the last testing before announcing the release [Mon Sep 17 15:26:40 2007] Oct 01 09:28:46 flip^: you can use the ascii tileset and the keyboard commands should also work on my nethack port Oct 01 09:28:55 dneary: So, that'd be yes :-) Oct 01 09:29:22 Jaffa, jani: Thanks Oct 01 09:29:33 But it also means "not very often" Oct 01 09:29:38 yep. Oct 01 09:29:40 Indeed Oct 01 09:30:48 AD-N770: does it come with the ascii set? Oct 01 09:31:25 sound works! :) Oct 01 09:31:33 flip^: yes Oct 01 09:31:57 * flip^ peers Oct 01 09:32:35 flip^: http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/nethack6.png Oct 01 09:33:55 does scrolling go away at min zoom? Oct 01 09:34:10 * flip^ wouldn't have looked for Tileset in the Help menu ;) Oct 01 09:35:06 i must admit, with an ascii tileset, it could warm on me some more :) Oct 01 09:35:45 flip^: at min zoom you don't need to scroll on the map but scroll bars will be there Oct 01 09:36:30 pupnik: http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/bsdgames-nonfree Oct 01 09:36:36 * flip^ nods Oct 01 09:42:44 http://pupnik.de/bsdgames-nonfree_2.17-1_armel.deb Oct 01 09:43:03 bah 5 minutes Oct 01 09:43:11 are all its dependancies on maemo already? Oct 01 09:43:13 5 minutes? Oct 01 09:43:27 to build Oct 01 09:43:32 ah Oct 01 09:43:36 impressive :) Oct 01 09:44:40 oop forgot to change section to user/games Oct 01 09:45:01 done Oct 01 09:45:15 afk bank Oct 01 09:45:34 okie Oct 01 09:46:12 * flip^ wonders how to launch it once installed Oct 01 09:48:02 aha Oct 01 09:50:41 not easily playable sadly, with the d-pad not providing direction control, but quite cool :) Oct 01 10:16:56 bsdgames is already in MUD :-) Oct 01 10:21:39 That thread on itt about the new tablet is rather funny Oct 01 10:22:01 whats the url .. Oct 01 10:22:14 wonderful sweeping statements about how Nokia shouldn't release new hardware until they do this, this and that with the software, etc. Oct 01 10:22:42 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10023 is the start Oct 01 10:22:59 the end is the best though, starts getting somewhat ranty (is that a word?) Oct 01 10:23:13 It's enough of a word Oct 01 10:24:07 The other thing I especially like is the 100word single paragraph diatribes against Nokia, I certainly can't bring myself to concentrate enough to read that! Oct 01 10:24:12 1000 word even! Oct 01 10:25:36 oh well, enough entertainment for the morning - I was tempted to wade in, but I think it would just start a flame war :) Oct 01 10:28:19 zuh: About your headers, I don't know anything about those, sorry Oct 01 10:29:24 kulve: Have you ever tried using dbg() when crashing the dsp kernel? I'm finding that I get a notification of a dbg message, but the data must take some time to be read from the shared memory buffer and the kernel is gone by then Oct 01 10:31:12 lardman, stay out. Oct 01 10:31:15 Not worth it. :) Oct 01 10:31:26 it is sooo frustrating though Oct 01 10:31:36 but yes, you're right Oct 01 10:31:49 All that I know, my cash is going to be out and ready the second CompUSA opens on release day for the next tablet. Oct 01 10:32:13 There's an awful lot of Nokia haters on ITT Oct 01 10:32:15 fwiw, I'd be very happy with a new device with a keyboard Oct 01 10:32:22 lardman: I think not.. Oct 01 10:32:24 Dunno why they bother sticking around. Oct 01 10:32:28 GeneralAntilles: Yes, malcontents I guess you might call them Oct 01 10:32:44 kulve: It's a real pita :) Oct 01 10:32:53 keyboard would = more buttonzors with would = happy puppy Oct 01 10:33:13 I really hope they don't remove the buttons off the outside, though. Oct 01 10:33:23 I used to program on the go on my Psions, would be nice to be able to do that on the Nokia (and the on-screen is not that easy to use) Oct 01 10:33:33 Be a horrible pain to have to open the slider to get to the d-pad Oct 01 10:33:37 * flip^ nods to lardman Oct 01 10:33:50 A proper Psion-style rather than WinMob-style keyboard would be nice, though Oct 01 10:33:54 its one of the reasons i want a bt kb, if i can find a decent one Oct 01 10:34:11 my thinkouside stowaway works Oct 01 10:34:12