**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 03 02:59:56 2007 Oct 03 03:39:16 bye Oct 03 03:40:18 :( gnugo won't work right Oct 03 03:40:19 :( Oct 03 03:40:21 if only Oct 03 03:44:45 and if I try to install tar it wants to uninstall busybox Oct 03 03:44:47 lul Oct 03 03:45:13 it wants to remove EVERYTHING Oct 03 03:45:14 :( Oct 03 03:52:52 so, what's this hacker's edition? Oct 03 03:55:23 anyone know what repo to add to get libffi4 installed? Oct 03 03:57:43 I do wish I knew. Oct 03 03:58:40 I had it once before but now i dont know Oct 03 03:58:48 I need it to install Python 2.5 Oct 03 03:58:58 Me too Oct 03 04:01:21 christ Oct 03 04:01:56 extracting a tarbal of gnugo Oct 03 04:02:06 taking forever with the 770 usb link Oct 03 04:02:13 hope it works Oct 03 04:05:15 20 minutes to extract a 3.6MB tarbal Oct 03 04:06:51 repositories? Oct 03 04:06:52 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 03 04:07:26 Tb0n3: i usally wget files to the 770's mmc then untar them locally Oct 03 04:07:52 ^^ grndlvl search there Oct 03 04:08:17 ? wget on the 770? or untar onthe 770? Oct 03 04:08:33 I tried to find tar on it but in order to install tar I'd have to do everything over Oct 03 04:08:40 it wants everything uninstalled Oct 03 04:11:06 thanks guys Oct 03 04:12:02 Tb0n3: i can check which ones i have Oct 03 04:12:37 Filename: pool/maemo2.2/free/t/tar/tar_1.14-2.1osso_armel.deb Oct 03 04:13:16 i don't see where wget came from Oct 03 04:14:41 http://regmedia.co.uk/2007/05/15/acer_5920_3.jpg toy Oct 03 04:16:21 Ok the two repos that says it has libffi4 does not have them Oct 03 04:20:09 its like the file does not exist Oct 03 04:21:08 i see libffi4 with apt-cache search Oct 03 04:21:24 unfortunately apt-cache search does not show which repository contains a package Oct 03 04:21:37 this is a major deficiency in apt, imo Oct 03 04:21:53 :) Oct 03 04:22:02 just get root and apt-get install libffi4 Oct 03 04:22:04 :) Oct 03 04:22:19 also, where would I find me sum hacker's edition? Oct 03 04:22:24 yea ok Oct 03 04:22:40 do you know how to do this? Oct 03 04:24:22 i'd search the ITT forums for 2007he Oct 03 04:24:26 2007he? Oct 03 04:24:31 hmm Oct 03 04:28:21 Tb0n3, the usb speed on 770 is 12 Mbps Oct 03 04:28:29 (aka, the high speed of usb 1.1) Oct 03 04:28:38 also for some reason it is very slow when hitting MMC Oct 03 04:29:04 770 kernel access mmc in compatibility mode Oct 03 04:29:09 very slow Oct 03 04:29:20 is that what they call it? compatibility mode? :-) Oct 03 04:29:26 it's slower than compat mode though :-) Oct 03 04:29:31 if you have high speed mmc you can install a hacked kernel Oct 03 04:29:49 newer one? Oct 03 04:30:07 i'm not sure about the status but there's a kernel supporting '52mhz' mode Oct 03 04:30:50 ah, ok. not really a problem for me though, just wondered about it a year or so back Oct 03 04:31:03 was more suprised to find out about the low speed of usb really. Oct 03 04:32:31 claws-mail won't work for gmail, gmail uses tsl for smtp and claws doesn't have thatuns Oct 03 04:33:21 mine's a kingston mmcmobile Oct 03 04:33:57 has a bunch of connectors Oct 03 04:34:48 yay Oct 03 04:34:51 it's high speed Oct 03 04:34:57 where's this high speed kernel? Oct 03 04:35:06 and do I need linux flasher to put it on? Oct 03 04:39:01 13 connectors Oct 03 04:39:10 I thought it looked weird Oct 03 04:42:33 dunno Oct 03 04:42:40 i am not a google bot Oct 03 04:43:03 cheers GeneralAntilles Oct 03 04:43:16 Woo! Oct 03 04:43:59 hows it goin Oct 03 04:44:44 Just working up a php/mysql system for a website I help run. Oct 03 04:47:34 is there a way to get xterm to start another window? Oct 03 04:47:56 it has tabs Oct 03 04:48:08 file->new tab Oct 03 04:48:27 well, I've had kismet start another window in a boot cd Oct 03 04:48:33 wireless auditing ftw Oct 03 04:48:55 but what I mean is, running a gui'd app starting from cli Oct 03 04:49:52 ya pupnik still dont see the libffi4 in apt-get cache either Oct 03 04:50:28 although i have two issues on update Oct 03 04:50:28 W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG CBFC2BECC6903E72 Nokia Internet Tablet Archive Automatic Signing Key Oct 03 04:50:29 W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D Oct 03 04:50:39 i ignore those errors Oct 03 04:50:46 word Oct 03 04:51:07 not sure what to do here Oct 03 04:53:50 Hi, I having a problem with hildon-control-panel and was wondering if someone could help me out? Oct 03 04:53:59 ohh well thanks for the help going to ged Oct 03 04:54:10 what problem ToddBrandt Oct 03 04:54:43 Basically, I have a sound applet that sets up the audio devices for the system, and it's designed as a library which is pulled up by the controlpanel process Oct 03 04:55:22 It requires gstreamer to work, and the gstreamer documentation tells me that I have to either call gst_init or g_threat_init() *before* any other glib functions are called Oct 03 04:55:37 But by the time my execute function is called, it's too late Oct 03 04:56:07 Is there a way to initialize gstreamer from a hildon cp applet? Or do I have to patch hildon-control-panel to call gst_init in its main function? Oct 03 04:56:31 hrmm... I really don;t know sorry dude Oct 03 04:56:54 grndlvl: no problem, thanks anyway, I'll leave that up in case someone knows Oct 03 04:59:29 Error Message: E: Malformed line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (absolute dist) Oct 03 04:59:31 :? Oct 03 05:00:00 ahh leave components blank Oct 03 05:04:48 GeneralAntilles: Are you same guy who plays trem? Oct 03 05:05:02 Hehe, hey, shapr. ;) Oct 03 05:05:42 hiya! Oct 03 05:06:00 trem is what? Oct 03 05:06:05 tremulous Oct 03 05:06:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremulous Oct 03 05:06:27 Open source FPS Oct 03 05:06:31 based os q3 Oct 03 05:06:31 With Hacker's Edition of bora on my Nokia 770, suddenly it doesn't use DHCP requests anymore.. it uses something else? Oct 03 05:06:34 er, on Oct 03 05:06:52 wireshark shows LLC protocol, DSAP / SSAP ? Oct 03 05:07:01 wow i'd never heard of tremulous... what engine does it use? Oct 03 05:07:09 Quake 3 Oct 03 05:07:26 ... even available in debian Oct 03 05:07:32 I can connect to other wifi access points, but not the antique AP I own, what's up with that? Oct 03 05:08:03 Check the advance settings on the connection for your home AP? Oct 03 05:08:35 Hello -- I just upgraded to the latest firmware on the N800, and am reinstalling a few apps. Some apps I had installed prior to the upgrade and restore (I backed up immediately prior to the firmware upgrade) are not installing, including aisleriot, and mirage (image viewer). Mirage, for example, complains of missing libffi4. The Maemo extras repository is enabled in application manager,... Oct 03 05:08:37 ...so I'm not sure what the problem is. Oct 03 05:09:10 I can't find libffi4 either, I want it for Python. Oct 03 05:10:46 Is there anything about the firmware upgrade which would make these packages unavailable? Oct 03 05:11:32 Advanced settings for my AP connection has "auto-retrive ip address" checked, but why is it using some sort of LLC packets instead of DHCP? Oct 03 05:11:54 this is the second report of unavailable libffi4 today Oct 03 05:11:59 third Oct 03 05:12:00 I think Oct 03 05:12:26 repositories? Oct 03 05:12:26 <_Monkey> i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 03 05:12:39 what repository should have libffi4? Oct 03 05:23:46 repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_bora_free Oct 03 05:25:25 perhaps someone should make a packages list grabbing web app for that type of query Oct 03 05:26:46 Hmm. I have the maemo extras repo in my repo list, for both free and non-free components. But libffi4 is not available. Oct 03 05:28:19 please send feedback to repo maintainer Oct 03 05:31:23 morgen konttori Oct 03 05:32:40 i love dosbox soo much Oct 03 05:57:03 nsswitch? Oct 03 05:57:04 <_Monkey> hmmm... nsswitch is http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get Oct 03 06:10:20 pupnik? Oct 03 06:11:23 hi Oct 03 06:13:44 What's this new firmware mentioned in [Bug 2063] New: microb won't install on new firmware (4.2007.38-2)? Oct 03 06:13:45 <_Monkey> Bug 2063 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2063 Oct 03 06:14:52 no idea Oct 03 06:15:15 bug report is too vague Oct 03 06:16:29 timeless: mmc corruption fix rel Oct 03 06:16:47 * timeless finds http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1191328183.html Oct 03 06:37:47 btkbd? Oct 03 06:38:25 does the IT2006se need maemo-bt-plugin? Oct 03 06:42:17 for some reason i thought newer it2006se had connectivity for bluetooth keyboard builtin Oct 03 06:42:27 http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/ Oct 03 06:42:30 is that^ still current/ Oct 03 06:47:44 ok it works fine Oct 03 06:55:38 Sp3000: i thought i wrote instructions for reporting application manager bugs in a bugzilla report, specifically reporting application manager log and sources.list, could you find that comment and reference it for me in 2063? Oct 03 06:58:41 unable to find include file:keybindings.rc Oct 03 07:13:54 why can't the 2007 media player have a simple File->Open operation ? Oct 03 07:23:22 what is the cause of this error:unble to find include file:keybindings.rc Oct 03 07:36:15 what does the metalayer crawler consider as audio ? Oct 03 07:43:21 anyone? Oct 03 07:49:19 adding my mods manuly to the meta db is a bit slow, fortunately the media player agrees to play them then Oct 03 07:49:39 Morning, all Oct 03 07:51:00 * Jaffa yawns: knackered from getting a working system for pointing it at a set of videos and it produces an on-demand transcoding RSS feed with thumbnails for VideoCenter. Oct 03 07:52:38 Jaffa: sounds like a youtube clone of some sort Oct 03 07:52:38 morning Oct 03 07:52:39 <_Monkey> aloha Oct 03 08:31:56 for maemo2.2 scratchbox is "http://scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-apohis" is it ok? please anybody. Oct 03 08:42:22 sx|lappy: more thinking of interfacing to media centre things, however it'd also be possible to paste it RSS feeds of other sites and auto-transcode them to N800-compatible. So, for example, the YouTube RSS feed in VideoCenter going through your converter on your PC Oct 03 08:47:05 bon dia / good morning Oct 03 08:47:15 rainy day in Barcelona Oct 03 09:18:58 trying example_alarm, where and what should be value of PKG_CONFIG_PATH ? Oct 03 09:20:07 using Maemo 3.2 Bora Oct 03 09:27:46 i have set IP/DNS of n800 to connect my wifi connection and it connects and the jabber client connects to the server, but i get "Address Not Found" page in microb. do you have any idea what the problem is? Oct 03 09:28:06 timeless: hm, no bug containing sources.list has a comment by you, and nothing else quite jumps at me either Oct 03 10:06:53 anyone familiar with syslog.conf? Oct 03 10:15:23 hello! when I install aircrack-ng airodump is not included? Oct 03 10:20:17 i don't understand why i get this error: Oct 03 10:20:17 nslookup: getaddrinfo('www.google.com') failed: Name or service not known Oct 03 10:20:17 everything works well for other sites... Oct 03 10:27:27 * lardman curses Oct 03 10:28:38 how do I set my wlan0 to go into promisc mode? Oct 03 10:32:31 * lardman rejoices! Oct 03 10:32:59 It would appear, that dsp_dld does not always tell you what's causing ABORTADR, slightly annoying Oct 03 10:36:21 you can actually use airmon-ng to turn promisc on and off without rebooting with OS 2007, cool :) Oct 03 10:36:57 Right, school boy question coming up: I have some global declarations in one file of my project (e.g. char *_ogg_stack0_post=ogg_malloc_heap;) Oct 03 10:37:14 I'd like to see the value of this var in my main() fn Oct 03 10:37:33 can/should I use extern in that source file to make this var visible? Oct 03 10:38:43 (the main() fn and the declarations are in separate files that are linked together eventually) Oct 03 10:39:14 you can do that Oct 03 10:39:44 I should be able to - I wanted to check, but the dsp loader doesn't like this Oct 03 10:43:57 hmm, swapping it around so I do the declaration in the main source file and extern it in the other one seems to work Oct 03 10:43:58 very off Oct 03 10:44:03 odd even Oct 03 10:49:30 mmm no idea Oct 03 10:53:49 Right, another one :) Oct 03 10:54:16 I'll pastebin it though, as it's going to get long Oct 03 10:57:07 http://pastebin.com/de761591 see if that makes sense Oct 03 10:57:55 oops, typo in the printf, no quotes Oct 03 10:58:08 that's my fault transcribing though Oct 03 10:59:48 hmm, 17 is an interesting address for that char array though Oct 03 11:06:10 I can't understand why the _ogg_stack1_post and _ogg_stack1_ptr =17 rather than =17+26624 Oct 03 11:25:59 hello. Oct 03 11:26:41 is it possible to brick N800 so bad it won't even power anymore...? Oct 03 11:27:10 ulpe: if you screw up the kernel you may not be able to charge Oct 03 11:27:22 is that so? Oct 03 11:27:25 ulpe: then you'd need to get a charged battery from somewhere and try flashing again Oct 03 11:27:40 ulpe: I think so, though I don't know for sure Oct 03 11:27:53 it's generally low-risk, tho. Oct 03 11:28:23 the only way you'd screw it up is when you're flashing, and then you should have a charged battery so you can try again, etc. Oct 03 11:31:56 bye Oct 03 11:32:05 dammit. I was messing around with the ModifyingRootImage-article in maemo-wiki and accidently booted after mounting jffs2 image. Oct 03 11:32:20 after this it stopped responding...it doesn't even power up Oct 03 11:32:52 battery should be full, as I've been charging it for a while already Oct 03 11:33:22 anybody know what's wrong with python2.5? Oct 03 11:33:29 I tried to reflash, but flasher won't find the device at all Oct 03 11:33:40 can't install due to not finding a lib Oct 03 11:37:39 libffi4 to be exact, is this chinook stuff? Oct 03 11:38:08 anyone tried to upgrade N800 to the latest os ? Oct 03 11:38:41 as in some beta os, or just the latest official flash upgrade? Oct 03 11:38:51 the latest official flash upgrade Oct 03 11:39:17 it was the first thing i did when i got it :) Oct 03 11:39:55 There is a new upgrade was released yesterday 2007-10-02 15:29:43 EEST. Oct 03 11:40:08 really... Oct 03 11:40:09 hmm Oct 03 11:40:35 yeah, I'm trying to upgrade but it's not working for reason or another. Oct 03 11:40:52 i thought the only difference is the memory card bug being fixed Oct 03 11:41:17 ulpe, which is good Oct 03 11:41:24 which bug is that? Oct 03 11:41:50 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1191328183.html Oct 03 11:43:54 any news about skype bug ? Oct 03 11:44:01 or is it maemo bug ? Oct 03 11:48:13 hello Oct 03 11:55:54 I think I managed to kill this n800...I tried with different batteries, waiting, charging, hitting the device on desk...(not really:) and nothing wakes it up :/ Oct 03 11:56:11 hi, i try flash my n770 to hacker edition, but it cant start flash, my windows wanna some drivers for Nokia 770 (update mode) Oct 03 11:56:32 what i must do? i download and install program tu update.... Oct 03 12:00:05 hi, i try flash my n770 to hacker edition, but it cant start flash, my windows wanna some drivers for Nokia 770 (update mode) Oct 03 12:00:05 what i must do? i download and install program tu update.... Oct 03 12:00:10 SniZ|work: did you press and hold home when you powered it on? Oct 03 12:00:14 yes Oct 03 12:00:22 it display usb logo Oct 03 12:00:31 and do nothing Oct 03 12:00:57 but my system wanna some drivers for "Nokia 770 (update mode)" Oct 03 12:01:05 and you have installed the nokia internet tablet update wizard and it's searching for a device at that point? Oct 03 12:01:28 yes , i install Oct 03 12:01:51 but when i connect and try to boot 770 to flash mode, my windows wanna drivers Oct 03 12:03:21 and can't automatically install them? Oct 03 12:03:32 what drivers i must install? Oct 03 12:03:56 it say "cant found drivers for this device" or something.. Oct 03 12:05:03 have you attached it in a non update mode? Oct 03 12:05:14 maybe it can install those drivers then Oct 03 12:05:15 hm.... drivers are in "C:\Program Files\Nokia\Connectivity Cable Driver" folder..... Oct 03 12:05:52 or no? Oct 03 12:07:36 My Nokia 770 starts correctly in Update Mode but windows does not found a driver for it (Nokia 770 Update Mode). Oct 03 12:07:55 wtf? Oct 03 12:10:58 solmumaha, Oct 03 12:11:03 can you help me? Oct 03 12:11:04 SniZ|work: what windows do you have? Oct 03 12:11:12 win2k3server Oct 03 12:11:29 SniZ|work: wow, as a home pc? Oct 03 12:11:39 no, on work ^) Oct 03 12:11:40 :) Oct 03 12:11:42 SniZ|work: have you ever managed to connect your nokia to pc? Oct 03 12:11:48 no Oct 03 12:12:04 SniZ|work: is the driver for win2k3? Oct 03 12:12:14 driver for what? Oct 03 12:12:20 SniZ|work: usb driver for nokia Oct 03 12:12:26 but it should work without... Oct 03 12:12:36 i think i have somethig Oct 03 12:13:25 SniZ|work: btw, I flashed my 770 to OS2007 yesterday from linux and it's really cool Oct 03 12:13:33 i know Oct 03 12:14:15 SniZ|work: try to delete the nokia device in your device manager in windows and reconnect Oct 03 12:14:25 i must install "Nokia BB5 ADL Loader"? Oct 03 12:15:35 edistar, hm, i must install some drivers for "Nokia 770 Update Mode" Oct 03 12:15:41 SniZ|work: ok Oct 03 12:15:44 SniZ|work: try Oct 03 12:15:51 my windows found it.... Oct 03 12:15:56 I don't have win.. not for 4 years now :) Oct 03 12:16:02 heh Oct 03 12:18:12 it cant be installed :( Oct 03 12:19:14 edistar, what must be fouded when you connect 770? Oct 03 12:20:08 SniZ|work: I've never been able to get the Windows updater to work Oct 03 12:20:14 ok Oct 03 12:20:16 hehe Oct 03 12:20:20 i forgot :) Oct 03 12:21:14 lardman i must eject mmc card? Oct 03 12:21:49 To avoid it being mounted as mass storage and connected to flash instead? No idea Oct 03 12:23:01 the windows flasher included instructions, no? Oct 03 12:23:05 no Oct 03 12:25:47 "make sure device is switched off and charger disconnected, connect with usb, press and hold the home key on device, release the home key when a usb logo appears in the upper right cornet" Oct 03 12:25:56 about that is whats in the graphical windows flasher Oct 03 12:26:24 You might try switching the machine off (make sure external power is not connected), then plug into usb, then attach external power Oct 03 12:26:39 dunno how that would help Oct 03 12:26:50 but don't use usb hub Oct 03 12:26:54 more reliable method than holding the home key in my experience Oct 03 12:27:14 i know Oct 03 12:27:16 i do it Oct 03 12:27:47 what happens under Linux if you don't run the flasher tool? Does the tablet just sit there waiting or does it time out and boot eventually? Oct 03 12:28:05 i have no linux on work... Oct 03 12:28:12 general question Oct 03 12:28:48 If I boot Linux I can get the flasher to work, with WinXP on the same usb port it won't. Wondering if it's timing out Oct 03 12:29:18 my windows WANNA INSTALL drivers for device called "Nokia 770 Update Mode" Oct 03 12:29:19 I should restate that, with Linux it *does* work, never a problem Oct 03 12:29:43 yes, that's normal Oct 03 12:30:20 can 2007 hacker edition support a2dp? Oct 03 12:31:12 I can't see why not Oct 03 12:32:33 my Program manager doesn't start properly anymore, any tips? Oct 03 12:35:06 edistar, is it a pun? Oct 03 12:35:29 edistar_, is it a pun? Oct 03 12:39:32 mbuf: well, wasn't intented :P Oct 03 12:41:43 edistar_: run syslogd and see if it has anything to say Oct 03 12:44:51 lardman: thx, I will Oct 03 12:45:38 edistar_: or, and even easier, try running the binary from the command line and see what it outputs to stderr Oct 03 12:49:18 ok Oct 03 12:49:35 btw, ssh to my nokia is somehow lagging 5 mins or so... anyone have that issue? Oct 03 12:50:48 sometimes I need to do something on the Nokia (e.g. refresh the news reader) to get ssh to wake up Oct 03 12:51:20 not sure if it's the network going to sleep or the processor Oct 03 12:51:40 lardman: not very handy.. Oct 03 12:51:54 well, doesn't work somehow Oct 03 12:52:05 load average 2.1 ;) Oct 03 12:52:08 someone created an applet that repeatedly pings google when plugged into external power, that should fix it Oct 03 12:53:02 bot OS2007 is much nicer, why isn't there any update for OS2006 to be just as good? Oct 03 12:53:12 e.g. bluetooth data transfer even works Oct 03 12:53:50 there's the hacker edition for the 770 Oct 03 12:54:01 lardman: thats what I am running Oct 03 12:54:09 ah, okay Oct 03 12:54:35 is it normal that load is around 2 all the time? Oct 03 12:54:46 no idea, sorry Oct 03 12:54:55 ok Oct 03 12:56:40 i dont think so.. Oct 03 12:57:58 something is hogging resources if load avg > 1 Oct 03 12:58:06 jani: ok Oct 03 12:58:25 also, yeah that ssh thing is pain in the arse. Oct 03 12:58:42 jani: dropbear and openssh have the problem or only dropbear? Oct 03 12:59:25 i think i have openssh on the device and it does the same. its not that bad thou .. Oct 03 12:59:36 jani: ok, thx Oct 03 12:59:56 would the load average be affected by dyntick? Oct 03 13:00:10 whats that? Oct 03 13:00:11 if you transfer something to the device via ssh, that will eat the cpu Oct 03 13:00:15 eg, scp .. Oct 03 13:00:36 or am i talking about different issues.. Oct 03 13:00:39 jani: my sparc chokes on scp aswell, so I wouldn't dream of torturing my 770 with that :P Oct 03 13:00:40 damn i need coffee Oct 03 13:01:17 edistar: blowfish is your friend, its less exhausting then the rest of the crypto stuff.. Oct 03 13:02:30 jani: ah, brilliant Oct 03 13:03:11 used to have some old sparcs as webservers long ago.. they would choke on default settings but managed to stay alive with blowfish =) Oct 03 13:03:23 my webserver is an ultra10 Oct 03 13:03:30 yeah. Oct 03 13:03:40 I really like it :) Oct 03 13:03:52 yep. i had 5, well, i didnt but the company did where i worked. Oct 03 13:03:56 cool Oct 03 13:04:12 they are not really servers.. but still, they work fine Oct 03 13:04:51 it took few hd crashes and 2 complete blowouts to convince the phb to actually convince to change those 5 ultras to single intel box. Oct 03 13:05:04 haha, annoying Oct 03 13:05:23 and even then, only good reason was that we couldnt find any spare parts anymore! :D Oct 03 13:05:29 did you split services? Oct 03 13:06:08 depends what you mean.. Oct 03 13:06:33 jani: on one server database, on the other webserver etc Oct 03 13:06:37 initially those 5 where just web frontends offering some php/image/static pages with dns roundrobin in front of them. Oct 03 13:06:50 ah Oct 03 13:07:19 those 5 where only for web .. db was handled by other dept so it was alot better.. Oct 03 13:07:39 ok Oct 03 13:08:33 then of course it's much easier to have one intel box;) Oct 03 13:08:57 a sun fire :P Oct 03 13:09:41 i think fire's wherent out that time.. Oct 03 13:09:50 netra t1's where replaced by fires ? Oct 03 13:10:16 don't know Oct 03 13:10:34 i have a feeling like that. Oct 03 13:16:06 I have a feeling that my nokia is completely overloaded Oct 03 13:17:42 what is telepathy-gabbl? Oct 03 13:19:39 it's eating up my resources Oct 03 13:20:24 its jabber connection manager afaik Oct 03 13:22:42 Hello Oct 03 13:23:04 pp: hello Oct 03 13:24:44 load average 0.02 :) Oct 03 13:24:49 stupid jabber Oct 03 13:29:34 what is the name of the binary of the program manager? Oct 03 13:32:43 Nokia n800 support GSM networks? Oct 03 13:32:58 no Oct 03 13:33:52 So it isn't three band? Oct 03 13:34:24 edistar: /usr/bin/osso-application-installer (my guess) Oct 03 13:34:34 my 770 (latest 2007HE) keeps getting the idea that it's plugged in at random times, when it isn't, and then that screws up the power management Oct 03 13:34:36 Argiris, wlan and bluetooth only Oct 03 13:34:58 is there a way I can tell it to think it's been unplugged? Oct 03 13:35:04 Any mobile phone with maemo linux with GSM support? Oct 03 13:35:22 Argiris, nope Oct 03 13:35:44 Argiris: n800 is not a phone Oct 03 13:36:03 Any mobile phone with linux with GSM and wifi support? Oct 03 13:36:22 Argiris, FIC Neo1973 ;) Oct 03 13:39:09 I have a ncurses-bin installed which takes up 0b, I am a bit confused... it tells me I shouldn't deinstall as it is potentially dangerous and a apt-get upgrade tells me ncurses-bin ( a new version) will overwrite /usr/bin/clear and then breaks off Oct 03 13:41:03 anyone? a way to set the state to "not charging" ? Oct 03 13:42:14 can anyone help me? http://nopaste.org/p/afnjJ1511 Oct 03 13:43:09 "Need to get 0B/140kB of archives" means the package is already downloaded Oct 03 13:43:32 apt-get upgrade on the device isn't recommended afaik, though Oct 03 13:44:04 Tak|work: how should you upgrade then? Oct 03 13:44:06 Your package db seems to be somewhat b0rken Oct 03 13:44:16 edistar, by reflashing Oct 03 13:44:52 inz: not seriously? Oct 03 13:44:59 edistar: through the package manager, for normal packages Oct 03 13:45:03 apt-get upgrade just updates packages.. Oct 03 13:45:17 edistar, it depends on what you want to upgrade Oct 03 13:45:21 inz: ok.. Oct 03 13:45:30 just wanted to update a few packages Oct 03 13:45:36 edistar, upgrading system packages is not officially supported (and often breaks things) Oct 03 13:46:04 ok Oct 03 13:46:22 inz: lovely.. now how to get everything to work again.. Oct 03 13:46:52 edistar, cannot really tell, reflash will help at least ;) Oct 03 13:47:06 edistar: the package manager only affects packages in the user section - apt-get upgrade affects all packages (libs, etc) Oct 03 13:47:08 all these programs I installed.. is there a way to mark them and install them all at once? Oct 03 13:47:10 edistar, your dpkg-database seems to be broken in some ways at least Oct 03 13:48:05 edistar, some people have at least tried some dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections, but I've no experience from using such Oct 03 13:48:35 inz: ok, thx Oct 03 13:48:58 the application-installer doesn't support this, does it? Oct 03 13:49:10 it doesn't Oct 03 13:49:24 well, I'll reflash then :( Oct 03 13:53:19 * lardman wonders to himself whether the current dsp bios/avs_kernel has any debugging features built in Oct 03 13:55:29 Hi Oct 03 13:56:00 Is there a way to change to keyboard layout for kbdd on N770? Oct 03 13:56:30 There is only a app for IT 2007 Oct 03 14:19:56 hi inz? Oct 03 14:21:52 hi timeless Oct 03 14:22:55 when last we talked you were on vacation? Oct 03 14:23:10 yeah Oct 03 14:26:52 Is it just me, or do other people have problems using videocentre when they click on the service catalogue? Oct 03 14:27:46 If I click install, I get a text file (with extension vcfg) containing an url and other bits and bobs, presumably this should have been handled by the videocentre to add a feed Oct 03 14:34:40 how are things back at work? Oct 03 14:34:56 * timeless is watching the sun set on vacation Oct 03 14:35:58 lardman: I haven't got to the point yet in my VideoCenter feed maker of checking the MIME type, but I'd guess at it being a MIME type issue Oct 03 14:37:58 Jaffa: Yep, that Service Catalogue page is screwed up too - if I click on the break.com info button I get info about a Reuters feed Oct 03 14:37:59 what is videocenter? Oct 03 14:38:40 timeless, business as usual, nothing happens ;) Oct 03 14:39:04 timeless: http://videocenter.garage.maemo.org/ Oct 03 14:39:33 lardman: i have a few minutes before tuesday, is it worth my time? Oct 03 14:40:46 timeless: looks like it will be cool - watch online video/tv, video podcast sort of things, but not much on there atm Oct 03 14:41:00 and a bit of a steep learning curve to work out what it actually does Oct 03 14:41:21 is that miro for tablets or something more complicated Oct 03 14:41:21 Is there a voice recorder application for the n770? Oct 03 14:41:36 apropos - anyone got MythTV integration done? What does MaemoMyth give you? Oct 03 14:41:44 recorder Oct 03 14:42:12 sp3000: no idea, never used any of these sorts of things Oct 03 14:42:15 for now, I've settled with a transcode-job on mythtv that you can tick off, that stores a transcoded version in a directory that I Oct 03 14:42:24 've made web-accessible. Oct 03 14:42:25 looks like the former, roughly Oct 03 14:42:58 Would be good if someone could collate a list of (what I presume need to be) RSS feeds Oct 03 14:43:11 I guess that's what the Nokia site will do in the end Oct 03 14:43:48 * lardman looks forwards to watching the Rugby/cricket on his Nxxx Oct 03 14:43:58 will there be an OS release corresponding to chinook on the N800 ? Oct 03 14:44:03 or is it for tablet+1 ? Oct 03 14:44:18 Veggen unfortunately knots player is down Oct 03 14:44:20 there's an audio recorder somewhere Oct 03 14:44:23 guardian: There is supposed to be one, probably a little while after the new tablet release Oct 03 14:44:34 ok Oct 03 14:44:40 thx for the info :) Oct 03 14:45:03 that's what I would do anyway, but they may be simultaneous if the changes are under the skin only Oct 03 14:45:46 * Tak|work so unexcited about the rumored slideout kb on tablet+1 Oct 03 14:46:56 Veggen/lardman: I'm working on a video archive -> on-demand transcoder (including RSS feeds and MythTV/Freevo metadata) at the moment. Oct 03 14:47:37 jaffa: atom? :) Oct 03 14:47:40 Jaffa: cool Oct 03 14:47:57 timeless: no reason why not ;-) Oct 03 14:48:02 More info here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10205 Oct 03 14:49:04 Jaffa: mmmh, look forward to it :) Oct 03 14:49:54 Jaffa: Can the video center [sic] ;) take any RSS and just pull out the video stuff (/me is looking at the BBC website) Oct 03 14:51:21 is http://repository.maemo.org mistral free non-free still a valid repo? Oct 03 14:51:27 for an n770 Oct 03 14:51:42 lardman: NAFAIK, but I've no real idea. And, of course, it has to be a feed which the tablet can play Oct 03 14:52:52 tmccrary: yes, choose the right release tho Oct 03 14:53:58 slideout keyboard = frickin enough buttons on rhs Oct 03 14:54:55 solmumaha you around? your transcoding media player url is down Oct 03 14:55:17 Yeah, he had a HD crash. Oct 03 14:55:18 I tried to add this feed: http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_uk_edition/front_page/rss.xml from this page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3223484.stm and the player complains about the playlist Oct 03 14:55:47 lardman: Thanks for the info. I think there is a bug in the application manager software for my n770. I enterred the repo is correctly and it go mangled by the software for some reason Oct 03 14:55:57 It worked the second time though Oct 03 14:56:07 good good Oct 03 14:56:10 ok Jaffa i forgot whether you were aware of his efforts Oct 03 14:58:10 pupnik: What was the trick to getting dgen working? Oct 03 14:58:43 don't remember Oct 03 14:58:49 heh Oct 03 14:59:02 it would crash for me right after "SEGA" Oct 03 14:59:16 yeah i remember that Oct 03 14:59:19 or maybe it only happens on certain roms - I didn't try phantasy star II Oct 03 14:59:22 well it depends on the rom Oct 03 14:59:27 crashes on sonic Oct 03 15:00:13 i just put up the screenshot to hopefully prod some interest Oct 03 15:00:28 genesis RPGs are not so great imo Oct 03 15:00:45 yeah, snes got all the good rpgs from that era Oct 03 15:00:57 aha - sonic was the one I was really working for Oct 03 15:01:30 man i actually dreamt about getting a new nokia tablet and the dpad sucked Oct 03 15:02:07 i'm being a bit obsessive Oct 03 15:02:24 have you heard of the Craigulator, Tak|work ? Oct 03 15:02:50 nein Oct 03 15:04:35 a bizarre rumour from the gp2x boards that this guy is working on a new linux based handheld Oct 03 15:07:28 hm Oct 03 15:07:36 IBIWISI Oct 03 15:07:45 * ttuttle 's N770 is on the Fedex truck for delivery to the repair center... Oct 03 15:08:19 i bet it won't ...? Oct 03 15:09:32 I'll Believe It When I See It :-P Oct 03 15:13:06 have a good weekend all Oct 03 15:13:26 it's wednesday Oct 03 15:13:33 but same to you :) Oct 03 15:14:45 LOL! Oct 03 15:15:37 heh Oct 03 15:20:10 i'm still on vacation Oct 03 15:20:47 but more holy days start tonight. so thus ends my tech week Oct 03 15:22:32 ah Oct 03 15:22:42 it is a holiday today i see Oct 03 15:22:47 all the stores are closed here Oct 03 15:25:08 hi :) Oct 03 15:25:54 * Tak|work ignorant of fancy !american holidays Oct 03 15:27:32 so... what is SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin? I'd like to reflash my 770 but the flasher tutorials are talking about jffs2 files Oct 03 15:28:40 Mikho: You can do ./flasher -F SU-18... -f Oct 03 15:29:51 it's a fiasco image? Oct 03 15:30:03 oh! that reminds me, is there something special I need to do in an SDL app to detect thumbpresses as well as taps in 2007HE? Oct 03 15:30:44 it seems to differentiate much more strictly between a tap and a thumbpress than os2006 or 2007(on n800) do Oct 03 15:33:06 I wonder if the --enable-usb-host-mode switch works... Oct 03 15:33:24 should for 770 Oct 03 15:34:08 I've been shedding blood and bile trying to make the device recognize my usb gadget Oct 03 15:34:39 hm, usb port has no power, you know Oct 03 15:34:51 you have to buy powered usb hub Oct 03 15:35:11 I do know that. That's why I have a modified usb cable Oct 03 15:35:28 ah, the one with 3 hands! Oct 03 15:36:01 Look behind you! A three headed usb-cable! Oct 03 15:36:30 boooooooo Oct 03 15:36:52 is is shiped with usb hdd's Oct 03 15:37:07 2,5 ones Oct 03 15:43:13 what should I answer to password after "sudo /usr/bin/gainroot"? Oct 03 15:43:35 rootme iirc Oct 03 15:44:07 oh, if I wrote /usr/sbin/gainroot it didn't even ask Oct 03 15:44:18 yeah, actually, that's true Oct 03 15:44:22 yes, you change option not to Oct 03 15:44:25 sudo gainroot should just work Oct 03 15:44:34 if not you need to enable r&d mode with the flasher Oct 03 15:44:37 though its still worth using passwd to change the root password once you've got root, just for the sake of it :) Oct 03 15:44:44 how do I enable just plain sudo? Oct 03 15:45:02 alias sudo to sudo gainroot? :) Oct 03 15:45:04 in gainroot MODE=enabled Oct 03 15:45:15 it is a file in etc Oct 03 15:47:03 what is a file in etc? Oct 03 15:47:29 /etc is a directory Oct 03 15:47:38 and the files in it tend to contain configuration settings for things Oct 03 15:47:44 presumably there's one in there for gainroot Oct 03 15:47:58 ok, but I can't find the file for gainroot Oct 03 15:48:08 in some subdirectory Oct 03 15:48:14 after you've typed sudo gainroot, type cd /etc and then ls -al Oct 03 15:48:18 cannot recall which one Oct 03 15:48:21 or maybe ls -a Oct 03 15:48:33 just doing it... Oct 03 15:48:38 but still can't find Oct 03 15:48:52 visudo Oct 03 15:49:03 to edit the sudo settings Oct 03 15:49:23 sudo allows certain users to run certain binaries as another user Oct 03 15:49:49 yes, but I don't know how to configure sudo, and don't know how to use vi Oct 03 15:50:00 What do you want to do? Oct 03 15:50:07 some people, me included, just hate sudo Oct 03 15:50:24 I'd like to run commands as a root without going super-user Oct 03 15:50:34 root is a superuser Oct 03 15:50:45 yes Oct 03 15:51:01 vi is all present, so learn it Oct 03 15:51:20 * flip^ hugs nano Oct 03 15:51:44 I remember file that makes sudo privs on 770 Oct 03 15:51:53 but it's easier to write "sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/" than "sudo /usr/sbin/gainroot" and "cd " and "cp sources.list /etc/apt/" Oct 03 15:52:21 I have an attitude problem against vi Oct 03 15:52:30 use visudo to allow you to run cp as root them Oct 03 15:52:30 or su root -c "whatever" Oct 03 15:52:31 then Oct 03 15:53:26 but I don't know what to write to sudoers to give me rights to do anything with the proper password Oct 03 15:53:39 that's what I'm trying to find out here Oct 03 15:54:28 iirc visudo will actually use whatever editor you have configured Oct 03 15:54:29 770 is not set as regular distros Oct 03 15:55:00 ah, forget it. sudo /usr/sbin/gainroot will do for now Oct 03 15:55:15 if you have gainroot in your path... Oct 03 15:55:21 sudo gainroot Oct 03 15:55:43 or make alias for that Oct 03 15:55:47 suga Oct 03 15:56:00 lol - Suga! Oct 03 15:56:06 :) Oct 03 15:56:12 :D Oct 03 15:56:25 I bought a gun the other day from Sako, it's small, it's cute, it fits right in my pocket! Oct 03 15:56:29 that sudo made me vary nervous Oct 03 15:57:03 pupnik: yeah, I was playing with it last night - it's very cool Oct 03 15:57:33 woohoo! It works! I've actually plugged something to an usb port! Oct 03 15:57:44 tv? Oct 03 15:57:44 <_Monkey> i think tv is the mind killer - it is the little death Oct 03 15:58:01 _Monkey is my hero Oct 03 15:58:02 * Tak|work agree with _Monkey Oct 03 15:58:18 let's try: tv Oct 03 15:58:20 * Mikho hugs everybody, even people who had nothing to do with solving the problem Oct 03 15:58:21 * Tak|work will face his TV, let it flow over him and through him Oct 03 15:58:49 chick with tv on the breasts? Oct 03 15:58:59 Miko: wait a sec, I'll give you right sudo line. Oct 03 15:59:42 user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL Oct 03 15:59:55 that will give you the right to sudo anything. Oct 03 16:00:06 and it won't ask for password? Oct 03 16:00:12 no. Oct 03 16:00:22 thanks Oct 03 16:01:12 Mikho, it is fine to have less privs sometimes Oct 03 16:01:16 argh, it doesn't have nano/pico installed Oct 03 16:01:32 nano is in ports Oct 03 16:01:34 zoran, I know, but this will do for development purposes Oct 03 16:01:42 pico could be the part of pine Oct 03 16:01:59 there is even zile Oct 03 16:02:07 alike emacs Oct 03 16:02:59 I feel I've gained enough experience for a level. Maybe I should rest Oct 03 16:03:26 not in peace, of course Oct 03 16:04:39 hmm, what's the difference between nano and pico? Oct 03 16:04:44 I wonder if you'll get a feat? Oct 03 16:04:48 10^3 Oct 03 16:05:07 :) Oct 03 16:05:16 indeed :) Oct 03 16:05:58 vi is fine Oct 03 16:06:55 tehre is some vim port, for those who care Oct 03 16:11:49 Mikho, what would be the purpose of devel? Oct 03 16:14:37 dissertation Oct 03 16:16:13 on 770? Oct 03 16:16:28 usb keyboard? Oct 03 16:18:03 a wireless rfid reader Oct 03 16:24:26 now how do I type ctrl-x, y... Oct 03 16:24:46 I can input a single ctrl character after which the keyboard disappears Oct 03 16:25:07 and if I click the screen again to make the keyboard come up, the dialog that came after ctrl-x vanishes Oct 03 16:28:29 Mikho, what wterm do you have? Oct 03 16:28:34 *xterm Oct 03 16:29:02 k, no diff probably Oct 03 16:29:11 xterm Oct 03 16:29:46 put a pen on the title part of a window Oct 03 16:30:00 you will have a menu there Oct 03 16:30:08 yes? Oct 03 16:30:23 yes Oct 03 16:30:37 somewhere down is something like: Oct 03 16:30:49 send to something? Oct 03 16:31:05 I can input a single ctrl character after which the keyboard disappears Oct 03 16:31:06 or terminal something Oct 03 16:31:11 and if I click the screen again to make the keyboard come up, the dialog that came after ctrl-x vanishes Oct 03 16:31:14 k, I know that Oct 03 16:31:25 "Marching to another war... on thin air." Oct 03 16:31:26 let's do ti again Oct 03 16:31:28 http://listen64.kaos959.com Oct 03 16:31:47 have a keyboard on Oct 03 16:31:54 yes? Oct 03 16:32:10 before I flashed the device, I had a separate toolbar in the right of the window that had several ctrl keypresses Oct 03 16:32:32 just push the button on the left side, middle one Oct 03 16:32:38 ok, nano is asking "save modified buffer?" Oct 03 16:32:52 any hint? Oct 03 16:33:17 lower part of the screen Oct 03 16:33:22 or upper Oct 03 16:33:29 oh, actually a HUGE keyboard popped up Oct 03 16:33:44 kh-kh Oct 03 16:34:07 ne good apps for te n770? Oct 03 16:34:12 I thought you wanted to send letter to the process Oct 03 16:35:00 yes, I'd like to save the modified sudoers file Oct 03 16:35:02 i can use cat > in xtermial emulator Oct 03 16:35:12 but for that, I need ctrl-x, y and enter Oct 03 16:35:16 Mikho, what is nano way to save the file? Oct 03 16:35:19 k Oct 03 16:35:26 type once title bar Oct 03 16:35:32 k? Oct 03 16:35:38 have a menu there? Oct 03 16:35:56 yep Oct 03 16:36:13 down is terminal send or similar Oct 03 16:36:27 it has few options Oct 03 16:36:40 one of them is sned letter to the process Oct 03 16:36:56 yes Oct 03 16:36:58 type on that option and them on "x" on the virtual keyboard Oct 03 16:37:13 yep Oct 03 16:37:18 works? Oct 03 16:38:05 then nano says "Save modified buffer? Y/N" and I'm supposed to press y, but can't find a way to do that Oct 03 16:38:20 "y" on a keyboard Oct 03 16:38:20 does ne one have a terminal for n770 ? Oct 03 16:39:04 yes, but there's no keyboard on the screen, and the question disappears if I touch the screen Oct 03 16:39:27 don't touch the screen Oct 03 16:39:34 just the keyboard and the bar Oct 03 16:39:40 then how do I type y? Oct 03 16:39:55 on the lower part of the screen, aka keyboard Oct 03 16:40:06 there's no keyboard visible... Oct 03 16:40:15 open it with middle button Oct 03 16:40:32 how it disappeared? Oct 03 16:40:47 did you make something else? Oct 03 16:40:58 it disappeared after I answered x on the ctrl question Oct 03 16:41:08 hm Oct 03 16:41:12 should not Oct 03 16:41:19 actually a keyboard pops up if I press middle, and it seems to accept the y Oct 03 16:41:24 it is not a question Oct 03 16:41:25 but now I need enter Oct 03 16:41:39 you do not answer a question on the middle of the screen Oct 03 16:41:50 you first type on the bar Oct 03 16:42:00 send ctrl to the proc Oct 03 16:42:08 popups the window Oct 03 16:42:16 you DON"T type there Oct 03 16:42:26 just on the keyboard "x" Oct 03 16:42:46 keyboard have to stay up Oct 03 16:42:48 yes? Oct 03 16:42:56 yes, I hit keyboard X after which the popup and the keyboard disappears Oct 03 16:42:56 are there hildon-input-method-framework debs for chinook ??? i can't find them Oct 03 16:43:11 \o/ Oct 03 16:43:34 k, nice to spend a time with you folks! Oct 03 16:43:35 bbl Oct 03 16:44:00 nayone have ne good apps for this ? Oct 03 16:44:20 Guest6383: http://downloads.maemo.org Oct 03 16:45:32 aaargh Oct 03 16:46:14 I've spent half an hour trying to exit from nano while saving changes Oct 03 16:46:21 this is ridiculous Oct 03 16:47:33 wuts nano ? Oct 03 16:48:11 is motorola a1200 play full screen videos? Oct 03 16:49:14 amiga 1200= Oct 03 16:49:16 ?-) Oct 03 16:49:46 i wonder what moto a1200 has to do with maemo? Oct 03 16:51:39 ooh, actually now that I restarted xterm, it transmogrified into a version that has the ctrl key panel visible Oct 03 16:53:56 and the keyboard doesn't disappear either after the ctrl popup Oct 03 16:57:48 well i Can not find a developers irc channel about the linux distro that motorola uses Oct 03 16:59:37 you'll be lucky to find any info anywhere about it Oct 03 17:00:18 making that it runs linux more of a curiosity, rather than anything practical Oct 03 17:02:50 I have the feeling people have difficult time understanding my questions today Oct 03 17:03:21 Argiris: You could buy a Nokia N800 :-) Oct 03 17:03:48 For the whole day I've been receiving answers to different questions that I have been asking Oct 03 17:03:53 I want n800 but here in greece we have only gsm Oct 03 17:04:33 Argiris: The N800 isn't a phone, so if your phone has bluetooth and your provider has a data offer, you'll be able to use it. Oct 03 17:04:55 Argiris: buy some bt equipped cheap phone and n800 Oct 03 17:05:37 moto a1200 is not anything like n800 Oct 03 17:05:38 I know.I want gsm&wifi in the same device(I don't wand 10 devices) Oct 03 17:06:15 buy some iphone or uiq or s60 or windowmobile device then Oct 03 17:06:40 or neo1973 (do they have the gsm+wifi version out?) Oct 03 17:06:58 If the neo1973 gsm+wifi is out, I want one! Oct 03 17:07:00 no.I wan't linux embed.Is a1200 programmable(and not only in java dev)? Oct 03 17:07:06 but a1200 isn't really even a smartphone(due to locking the user out of the linux side) Oct 03 17:07:41 Argiris: check #openezx Oct 03 17:07:52 openmoko (neo1973) or greenphone are the only choices for you then really realistically Oct 03 17:08:11 if you want linux, gsm and the linux to be exposed Oct 03 17:09:24 yea but I need a good mobile in the next 2 weeks!!!I can't wait.Is gphone under development???or gphone is just a fake joke? Oct 03 17:11:30 greenphone is quite real, but it's not really a consumer product Oct 03 17:11:39 what is the reason you want it to run linux? Oct 03 17:12:34 there really isn't a lot of linux phones out there, and even fewer that would be good buys or practical Oct 03 17:13:16 developing fun :) (I love developing java in mobiles but when I learned that are mobile with linux .......Yeehaaa) Oct 03 17:14:13 some older windows mobiles can be flashed with some linux.. but wouldn't call it practical way of getting a phone Oct 03 17:15:23 uiq+ personal java is a more practical route if you want something more than j2me.. Oct 03 17:16:01 I'm with Argiris - if there were a linux-based cdma phone, I'd buy it right now Oct 03 17:18:57 Neo1973 seems a good linux phone ... but it is still in 'developer prewiev'.. Oct 03 17:19:14 * Tak|work grumbles about stupid US cell networks Oct 03 17:19:42 moto isn't exposing linux in it's phones that run it so thats unlikely route for a hacker friendly linux phone to appear Oct 03 17:20:23 i don't dig neo1973's looks /form factor, or specs for that matter Oct 03 17:20:33 * gla55_ is more of a practical guy than "it runs linux" Oct 03 17:21:34 Microsoft made my life hell for too many years for me to ever forgive them. Oct 03 17:22:06 quick question, is there a clock taskbar app for IT2006? Oct 03 17:22:10 * Argiris always loves to create in a platform and the same platform in the same time Oct 03 17:24:42 pupnik: you were porting dosbox right? how fresh games were you running? like, any chance of '94 turn based game to be playable? Oct 03 17:25:02 heh, "it runs linux" is what makes a device practical Oct 03 17:25:06 (for me) Oct 03 17:25:19 you can get equivalent of an 8mhz 286 with vga and sound blaster Oct 03 17:25:39 maybe 10-14 mhz on a n800 - i don't have one Oct 03 17:25:46 Atarii: yes.. there is a statusbar plugin.. Oct 03 17:26:58 gla55_: i have identified the cvs change that breaks ega chained mode emulation on nokia/ARM - but i don't understand enough to find the problem Oct 03 17:27:14 ok Oct 03 17:27:17 the dosbox gurus are looking at it though - it's a huge commit though - large rewrite Oct 03 17:29:27 Atarii: osso-statusbar-cpu i think - shows cpu load and time Oct 03 17:31:49 thanks b0unc3 and pupnik Oct 03 17:32:20 is there any way to unpack a released theme? so i can change the icons in it? Oct 03 17:32:57 dpkg -X .deb . or on some systems dpkg-dev is required Oct 03 17:41:21 <|R> Tak|work : Freedom is practical! Cheers to that :-) Oct 03 17:43:35 gla55_: yes, like transport tycoon has been ported to the n800 Oct 03 17:44:40 wumpus: openttd yes, but it's a port not emulation Oct 03 17:44:58 if there were a port of master of magic i wouldn't be intrested in dosbox running '94 games Oct 03 17:46:47 I don't think you can run an actual emulator on it Oct 03 17:47:34 it would have to really emulate the instructions instead of what dosbox does, provide a vm Oct 03 17:49:35 https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/frs/do/viewRelease/projects.a1200/frs.sample_package.38pclean .Now I am confused.Here is it the source code of moto a1200? Oct 03 17:51:14 Getting a lot of "unsupported syscalls" from the beta SDK .. Oct 03 17:53:23 Can I hack the n800 and have it GSM support???Where can I find hardware specification for n800 (electronic diagrams) Oct 03 17:55:32 no you can't Oct 03 17:55:41 hah Oct 03 17:56:23 wumpus: dosbox does provice cpu emulation, thus it's ability to run on other than x86 devices.. Oct 03 17:57:00 gla55_ ,You are right.It will be "feng sui" damaged Oct 03 17:57:23 Argiris: just buy a smallish bt phone and glue it to the n800 Oct 03 17:57:25 Argiris: unless you find a usb device that does gsm Oct 03 17:57:41 or yeah, bt of course Oct 03 17:58:21 bt? british telecoms? Oct 03 17:58:25 bluetooth Oct 03 17:58:57 some kind of bluetooth device that does gsm...that sounds faintly familiar Oct 03 17:59:36 and why connect them with bluetooth and not just speaking with the phone? Oct 03 18:00:56 of course that would probably be more preferable Oct 03 18:06:51 O_O Oct 03 18:07:24 You want to make your N800 use a GSM connection because you want to use it as a phone? Oct 03 18:07:30 Why don't you just use a phone? Oct 03 18:07:49 <|R> get an OpenMoko dude ;) Oct 03 18:07:53 Heh Oct 03 18:08:03 I'd be interested to know how easy they are to hack. Oct 03 18:08:47 openmokos should be rather easy to hack.. thats the whole point of the project Oct 03 18:08:52 to have everything open source Oct 03 18:09:37 Well, I was thinking about the hardware. I wonder how easy it would be to flash it with something else. Oct 03 18:10:03 I guess depending on internal storage space it might not really be necessary. Oct 03 18:10:22 It looks kind of rubbish to me. Oct 03 18:13:16 NOKIA, the world's largest mobile phone maker, said it would buy US navigation Oct 03 18:13:17 software maker Navteq for around $US8.1 billion Oct 03 18:13:37 ($7.4 billion canadian) Oct 03 18:13:50 snrk :) Oct 03 18:14:50 it feels a little odd to me that a software company making basically one app... could be worth 8.1 bil Oct 03 18:15:12 they also own the maps Oct 03 18:15:27 one of only ~2 companies who do that stuff I think Oct 03 18:16:50 at least I think so.... Oct 03 18:17:54 mhm Oct 03 18:18:15 do you use a map/navigator? Oct 03 18:18:55 only maemo mapper occasionally Oct 03 18:19:16 those maps must cost money to make also Oct 03 18:19:30 google pays the money... :) Oct 03 18:19:38 ahhh Oct 03 18:20:40 so navigation-specific metadata is missing? like "second lane from right is the exit to brooklyn, rightmost lane is the rest stop" Oct 03 18:21:14 they are simply bitmaps, no road data at all, the navigation is again done from a google online service iirc Oct 03 18:21:42 the openstreetmap data is vector with metadata I think Oct 03 18:21:49 ask onion about that Oct 03 18:26:35 it's the rights to the data etc that matter.. Oct 03 18:26:52 tomtom is looking to buy the other big map data company Oct 03 19:15:02 does anybody with some experience with byte-order and alignment issues want to come into dosbox to talk with Harekiet? Oct 03 19:34:20 hey. Oct 03 19:35:03 any chance anyone could compile gnu ed for the nokia? Oct 03 19:35:15 it should only take like 5 minutes; it's incredibly tiny. Oct 03 19:35:19 the source is here: Oct 03 19:35:29 http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/ed/ed-0.8.tar.bz2 Oct 03 19:39:28 in a bit jpt9 Oct 03 19:39:33 okay. Oct 03 19:39:36 no need to hurry. Oct 03 19:39:54 amazingly, ed 0.8 was made *this August*. as in 2007. Oct 03 19:39:59 did mud-builder ever achieve fruition? Oct 03 19:40:00 * flip^ umms and errs more over buying a bt kb... don't really have 70 quid spare right now... Oct 03 19:40:28 * jpt9 wishes someone made a PS/2 or USB keyboard to BT adapter. Oct 03 19:42:34 would probably cost almost as much as a bt kb Oct 03 19:49:25 It's odd that nobody has, jpt9. Oct 03 19:49:39 Though, I suppose, power might be an issue Oct 03 19:49:43 yeah. Oct 03 19:49:57 someone used to make a PS/2 to IR one for Palms. Oct 03 19:49:58 to some extent.. and the real market would be quite small Oct 03 19:50:12 True enough. Oct 03 19:50:29 how about people who are too cheap to buy a BT kbd? Oct 03 19:50:40 or have some old weird split/ergonomic keyboard that they want to be wireless? Oct 03 19:50:43 bt->serial things tend to cost so much that they're mostly pointless for converting serial devices to bt Oct 03 19:50:44 Not enough of those for economies of scale to kick in. Oct 03 19:51:16 Synergy works well enough when I'm at home. I just wish it weren't such a pain to toggle the pointer on and off. Oct 03 19:52:45 jpt9: if you're too cheap to buy a bt keyboard at around 70 euros(apples seems to be 78 here) you're unlikely to buy an adapter for say, 40 Oct 03 19:53:02 on desktop you can get rf non-bt keyboards quite cheap Oct 03 20:02:05 damn, having problems installing UKMP Oct 03 20:03:01 pupnik's theme song from 1993.. http://pupnik.de/3NEU-FIB.MOD Oct 03 20:09:29 Atarii: what kind of probs Oct 03 20:09:57 I'm pretty sure I can help you with it Oct 03 20:13:02 jpt9: http://pupnik.de/ed_maemo.tgz Oct 03 20:14:38 konttori well it opens then closes again, and through xterm its says the error message about 'blah blah blah ImportError: No module named PIL' Oct 03 20:15:32 ahh... you have python 2.4? Oct 03 20:16:04 see thats the prob ive googled and found that to be the source of the prob, python, but i hav 2.5 installed Oct 03 20:16:19 just realised ir was your comments i was reading lol Oct 03 20:16:22 it* Oct 03 20:16:35 Hmm.. then you need to have the *latest* python 2.5 ;) Oct 03 20:16:56 im pretty sure i have, i got it from the maemo python webpage Oct 03 20:16:57 So, open application manager and press the update button. Oct 03 20:17:04 recently? Oct 03 20:17:04 kk ill try that Oct 03 20:17:10 yea like 1 hour ago Oct 03 20:17:14 oh. Oct 03 20:17:22 then, you should definately have PIL in it Oct 03 20:17:23 im reloaded after a flash Oct 03 20:17:44 hmm... can you try out the ukmp 1.7 alpha? Oct 03 20:18:04 only have 2 applications installed: python2.5-runtime 0.4-8 and mediacenter 1.70 Oct 03 20:18:10 the wireless driver corrupts random bytes in monitor mode Oct 03 20:18:19 and xterm Oct 03 20:18:41 hmm... sounds pretty odd then. So, you have the 1.7 alpha, but it still won't use pil. Oct 03 20:18:51 yea Oct 03 20:19:06 can you try the 1.6 series? https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2070/UKMP-1.621.deb Oct 03 20:19:09 i had it working before, just cant get it to work after i reflashed Oct 03 20:19:13 I got some debugging data and how to reproduce the problem if anyone is in charge in here for the wireless blob Oct 03 20:19:13 ill try it Oct 03 20:22:41 konttori, still doesnt work but slightly different error msg Oct 03 20:22:50 kewl ;) Oct 03 20:23:11 o nope still the name, do u think its a prob with python? Oct 03 20:23:50 sounds so very odd. Oct 03 20:23:55 can you open xterm Oct 03 20:23:58 type python Oct 03 20:24:15 type: import PIL Oct 03 20:24:22 notice the capitals Oct 03 20:24:59 No module named PIl Oct 03 20:25:02 PIL* Oct 03 20:25:35 Python 2.5 (r25:10186, Feb 22 2007, 16:28:13) Oct 03 20:26:22 So, it seems like the current python does not include PIL. Oct 03 20:26:25 So odd. Oct 03 20:26:32 pupnik: thanks. it works perfectly. Oct 03 20:26:52 now... i just wish I hadn't let my 770's battery die, as I'd love to play with it over dinner... Oct 03 20:27:00 still, it says on: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html#components Oct 03 20:27:05 that they do include PIL Oct 03 20:27:14 lol Oct 03 20:27:23 I have to test that out tomorrow on my n800. Oct 03 20:27:32 I'll uninstall python and reinstall it. Oct 03 20:27:40 is there an older build of python which will work? Oct 03 20:27:56 I think they only provide the latest and greatest Oct 03 20:28:21 Atarii, I think this problem is related with repositories listed in your N800 Oct 03 20:28:31 770* Oct 03 20:28:43 Did you install from: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html Oct 03 20:28:53 yea Oct 03 20:28:58 thought as much. Oct 03 20:28:59 base then installer Oct 03 20:29:01 u oh Oct 03 20:29:04 is that bad? Oct 03 20:29:10 nope. that's the way to go Oct 03 20:29:24 I'll check it out tomorrow. I'll then release alpha3 if needed. Oct 03 20:29:35 thanks Oct 03 20:29:44 if you wan't to be notified, write me an email to urho.konttori@gmail.com Oct 03 20:30:04 i should be doing work anyways, but then heroes is on, and my 770 is so addictive Oct 03 20:30:05 I'll then let you know once it's working Oct 03 20:30:09 kk will do thanks Oct 03 20:30:17 k later Oct 03 20:30:24 night. I'm off to bed now Oct 03 20:36:45 hrm, is presence expected to interact annoyingly wrt the packet data timeout / wlan autoscan Oct 03 20:37:11 since configuring a gtalk acct it seems to want to drain my phone's battery perpetually with no apps open Oct 03 20:37:52 everyone seems to be set at 10min Oct 03 20:41:35 hi guys, is possible using libosso or another lib or flag, know if the application is running on n800 or 770 HE? Oct 03 20:57:43 what possible improvements could I get by using 2007he? Oct 03 20:58:42 a nicer click sound when tapping screen Oct 03 21:00:37 pupnik: are there any tricks you've discovered about thumbpresses on 2007he? Oct 03 21:00:58 e.g. the fceu buttons are much less sensitive: do I need to tweak some setting? Oct 03 21:01:12 no idea Oct 03 21:01:33 know what's too sensitive? the hardbuttons Oct 03 21:01:42 I get double arrow clicks all the time Oct 03 21:01:58 eh, ok - thought you might have run into it Oct 03 21:02:47 Tak|work: does 2007he noticeably fix any xsp issues for you? Oct 03 21:03:38 not that I've noticed - what kind of xsp issues? Oct 03 21:04:28 basically the only reasons I'm running it are: larger swap file, less obsoleted software Oct 03 21:04:32 there were bugfixes mentioned, never helped me Oct 03 21:05:15 since the 2nd 2007 release where they added xsp, I've never had any xsp issues Oct 03 21:05:56 well it's not just me - you can see problems in the quake1 port as well Oct 03 21:06:11 i'm a little sensitive about this issue :) Oct 03 21:06:11 yeah, I know - I think we reached the consensus that I got lucky Oct 03 21:07:27 i need to look at fceu again Oct 03 21:07:38 you don't use maemo-games-startup, right? Oct 03 21:08:14 it seems to be a good solution to allow for pausing games and task-switching Oct 03 21:08:40 i think i should get around to using it as a launcher Oct 03 21:32:28 heh, just showed a friend of mine the carman homepage. guess he will order a N800 shortly Oct 03 21:33:28 :) Oct 03 21:36:32 i hope expansys can help me with my 770's wsod Oct 03 21:37:32 hmm Oct 03 21:37:44 :/ Oct 03 21:37:47 anyhow Oct 03 21:38:07 where can I find the OS2006 to keep in case I don't like 2007he? Oct 03 21:38:10 get it from nokia? Oct 03 21:39:21 i think both can be found where you found 2007he Oct 03 21:39:24 and should I get flasher or flasher3.0 Oct 03 21:39:27 hmm Oct 03 21:39:31 I found it on ITT Oct 03 21:39:35 internet tablet talk Oct 03 21:39:53 yes, but it directed you to a link where you should input some number, right? Oct 03 21:39:59 eys Oct 03 21:40:04 *yes Oct 03 21:40:10 mac address Oct 03 21:40:25 after that you can download any of the images, 2006, 2007, 2007he iirc Oct 03 21:40:33 I like 2007he Oct 03 21:40:35 wow, god damn, nokia supports all this and it fucking pwns Oct 03 21:40:45 Though it won't do text chat for some reason. Oct 03 21:41:39 i plan to go 2007he if i get the wsod issue fixed... Oct 03 21:42:12 :O white screen of death Oct 03 21:42:17 well, it's not really the same Oct 03 21:42:23 bsod has words Oct 03 21:42:39 otherwise it'd just be a blue screen, or a blank screen Oct 03 21:42:43 it's just brick Oct 03 21:42:48 <||cw> wsod is a hardware failure anyway Oct 03 21:44:19 if not ill look into getting a N800, as i think im hooked ;) Oct 03 21:44:43 what's the fuss about pymaemo repo being borked? Oct 03 21:44:47 lulz so many things of death these days, feels like tech is becoming a fantasy novel Oct 03 21:44:55 or a mmorpg Oct 03 21:44:57 bring your tablet with you and show it to people - generate sales for nokia Oct 03 21:45:05 <3 my tablet, and I love to brag Oct 03 21:45:11 weemon like it too Oct 03 21:45:40 oo, look at this beautiful piece of technology I hold in my hand Oct 03 21:45:45 "ooo, it's so small" Oct 03 21:45:53 you know it baby Oct 03 21:46:11 I just showed it to an 80 year old teacher lady and she was excited about it Oct 03 21:46:36 so, flasher or flasher3.0 Oct 03 21:46:37 didn't have an open wlan available tho Oct 03 21:46:48 get a bluetooth cell with a dataplan Oct 03 21:46:48 Xd Oct 03 21:46:50 for gregale i use flasher 2 Oct 03 21:47:03 i have to save money for my next tablet Oct 03 21:47:10 what's the differences? Oct 03 21:47:23 I've got the stock firmware and want to go to 2007he Oct 03 21:50:24 should I enable r&d mode? Oct 03 21:51:20 for 2007he? no need Oct 03 21:52:18 flasher doesn't seem to detect my 770 Oct 03 21:52:22 well, flasher3.0 Oct 03 21:53:19 i use 2.0 for 770 Oct 03 21:53:50 k Oct 03 21:54:20 Is there a todo app for os2007? Oct 03 21:54:29 I used the os2006 todo app very much. Oct 03 21:55:09 device not founded Oct 03 21:55:21 is there some sorta setting I need to activate to make it connect right? Oct 03 21:55:27 take out the card or something? Oct 03 21:55:30 turn it off? Oct 03 21:55:34 must follow instructions Oct 03 21:55:55 I can actually do that most of the time. Oct 03 21:56:26 don't know todo app Oct 03 21:56:31 gpe Oct 03 21:56:31 should be avail tho Oct 03 21:58:18 suitable usb device, still not found Oct 03 21:58:21 :( Oct 03 21:58:45 errr, is ubuntu 6.06 dapper drake? Oct 03 21:58:46 lulz Oct 03 21:58:57 yup Oct 03 21:58:58 wow Oct 03 21:59:49 T_T Oct 03 22:06:40 never had a issue flashing my 770 here, following the stuff on the maemo page Oct 03 22:07:42 I'm on an ubuntu 6.06 live cd Oct 03 23:00:02 * pupnik tries to figure-out the next easiest productive thing to do Oct 03 23:14:28 disq: is the new firmware a feature release? or just bug fixes? Oct 03 23:17:32 <|R> bug from what the PR says Oct 03 23:17:44 sorry. didn't mean to address that to just disq. Oct 03 23:24:34 http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0bKq3x74UE manualist plays super mario bros. theme on his hands Oct 03 23:25:01 wow. is python busted in the new firmware? Oct 03 23:29:05 pupnik: lol Oct 03 23:30:44 trevarthan: like how? Oct 03 23:31:22 fwiw extras bora at least is being funny and apparently hid all its arch:all pkgs or something for the moment Oct 03 23:32:37 ahhhh ty for explanation Oct 03 23:33:14 huh, python2.5-runtime 0.4-12 is arch:all and 0.4-10 arch:armel? interesting (esp when arch:all disappears) Oct 03 23:44:40 app manager needs a freakin 'update all' Oct 04 00:26:06 would love to see a web tablet running on this one: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2917028234.html Oct 04 00:49:19 night everybody, is there a c/c++ compiler for maemo? Oct 04 00:57:00 gcc Oct 04 01:04:39 darn this alsa **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 04 02:59:56 2007