**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 05 02:59:57 2007 Oct 05 03:03:34 four stories tall Oct 05 03:03:41 that's how long the first half of the arm is Oct 05 03:06:03 hah, where are you located? Oct 05 03:06:26 new york Oct 05 03:06:30 near albany Oct 05 03:06:36 schenectady in fact Oct 05 03:07:08 ah, im on long island! Oct 05 03:07:48 small world. Oct 05 03:08:10 hmm Oct 05 03:08:13 not remotely close Oct 05 03:08:15 but anyhow Oct 05 03:08:21 somebody just hit the roadblock Oct 05 03:08:22 lulz Oct 05 03:08:26 haha Oct 05 03:08:36 I heard a bang and heard people yelling "you all right?" Oct 05 03:08:48 and when I look out the window the car is perpendicular to the road Oct 05 03:09:08 gah Oct 05 03:09:13 people ok? Oct 05 03:09:56 wonder where my thumbdrive is with my bruteforce dict is Oct 05 03:10:01 and yeah, they were alright Oct 05 03:10:04 they were trying to turn around Oct 05 03:10:05 XD Oct 05 03:12:35 it would be ironic if the bruteforce zipped file I'm looking to crack a rar was in fact passworded itself Oct 05 03:12:45 and isn't it ironic Oct 05 03:12:49 don't you think? Oct 05 03:12:50 NO Oct 05 03:17:24 hah Oct 05 03:24:28 crap, the larger one is videos of girls beating up guys Oct 05 03:24:34 should have stuck with the 800k Oct 05 03:24:35 XD Oct 05 03:26:42 there Oct 05 03:26:47 2.5 megs extracted Oct 05 03:29:17 there's that arm again, it's like a freaking monster Oct 05 03:31:58 I can't see why somebody can't make an analyser that looks at rar/zip/etc files that are encrypted or passworded and figures them out Oct 05 03:32:14 they use their own little system and that system shouldn't be that hard to figure out Oct 05 03:55:47 man, over 21000 password tries and none yet Oct 05 03:55:52 up to Harley Oct 05 03:55:57 which is my dogs name Oct 05 03:55:59 how odd Oct 05 03:58:31 joypowder was one of the password tries Oct 05 03:58:31 lulz Oct 05 04:20:23 rar uses AES iirc Oct 05 05:25:02 whatever encryption scheme it uses, you have the whole thing, there should be a way Oct 05 05:25:02 :( Oct 05 05:25:20 if it's able to tell you it's the wrong password you should be able to see what the right one is Oct 05 05:25:30 without trying them all Oct 05 05:35:53 interesting, seems arm got a bit riled about intel saying that one needs x86 to do web the proper way :D Oct 05 05:36:34 i guess the proof will be in the volumes shiped Oct 05 05:42:31 Is anyone running gpsd on a 770? I can't get it to install. Oct 05 06:06:27 bye Oct 05 06:07:05 What's the command to launch the browser by cli? Oct 05 06:09:03 try dbus-send --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:http://google.com/ Oct 05 06:11:45 Thanks disq. I thought there was an easier way. :) Oct 05 08:05:19 finally got tinymail and modest to compile Oct 05 08:05:40 still trying to link modest though Oct 05 08:29:47 nope. modest won't link. giving up Oct 05 08:31:13 hmm. I wonder who is FIXME Oct 05 08:31:22 and whether his/her mail works! :-) Oct 05 09:11:28 hehe Oct 05 09:13:42 that was present in the newest skype download package btw Oct 05 09:13:47 (from skype site) Oct 05 09:30:02 * czr wonders what is the point of having "ads" banner in the N800 image if the links don't work anyway Oct 05 09:30:37 btw, where to report such issues? there is a proper component in bugzilla for this or maybe some quicker way? Oct 05 09:33:09 ah. twas my wlan :-) Oct 05 09:33:11 * czr hides & hides. Oct 05 09:36:43 heh. nice to see that my bugzilla quip is still alive and well Oct 05 09:36:55 ? Oct 05 09:37:06 the "who stole the 3 bits from 777" Oct 05 09:43:00 you are missing "other" write+execute on something? Oct 05 09:43:25 hmm no... missing exe on uog? Oct 05 09:43:27 maybe it's unclear what it means :-) it was sort of inside joke Oct 05 09:43:52 think about it. might help if you'd know that I used to report bugs when the 770 launched Oct 05 09:44:03 * pupnik_ is looking for a usable sports and racing game Oct 05 09:44:21 where's unique311 - he's the best game finder in the community Oct 05 09:46:19 good riddance Oct 05 09:47:39 yay. my first bug against N800 Oct 05 09:48:05 or rather, second, but first with bugzilla. Oct 05 10:48:20 Stupid damn reboot loop. <_< Oct 05 11:26:38 Uh, anybody see this: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12719&contentId=27458 ? Oct 05 11:28:41 Good morning(~) Oct 05 11:28:48 mornin' Oct 05 11:28:58 Pupnik are you here!!!! Oct 05 11:29:09 GeneralAntilles, what about it? Oct 05 11:29:40 Just noticed the comment on the bug page linking to it, thought it meant drivers but maybe not. Oct 05 11:29:53 ? Oct 05 11:31:03 I write "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free Oct 05 11:31:03 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free Oct 05 11:31:03 " in source.list but "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit " dont work Oct 05 11:31:21 Pupnik Please!! Oct 05 11:31:47 does apt-cache search maemo-explicit show that the package is available? Oct 05 11:32:31 Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_gregale_free_binary-arm_Pa Oct 05 11:32:46 I got this message. Oct 05 11:33:23 have you been able to download *any* packages yet in scratchbox? Oct 05 11:33:44 no Oct 05 11:33:49 then check this out Oct 05 11:33:51 nsswitch? Oct 05 11:33:51 <_Monkey> hmmm... nsswitch is http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get Oct 05 11:34:19 I write "files dns" Oct 05 11:35:06 hmm Oct 05 11:35:38 hosts: files dns Oct 05 11:35:54 i have "files dns" in both /etc/nsswitch.conf and /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Oct 05 11:36:12 do i need to change anything here Pupnik. Oct 05 11:36:29 ok Oct 05 11:37:42 Sounds more like you're /etc/apt/sources.list file is screwy. Oct 05 11:37:52 ~your .. Oct 05 11:39:45 Pupnik : I changed but i got the same problem Oct 05 11:39:59 nsswitch.conf Oct 05 11:40:21 i also have deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free in sources.list Oct 05 11:40:59 I also added this Oct 05 11:41:20 opy, can you ping anything? Like google.com ? Oct 05 11:41:55 no Oct 05 11:42:03 Ah, Oct 05 11:42:35 there is no ping in 2.2 Oct 05 11:42:41 Oh .. :) Oct 05 11:43:40 opy: you can install a .deb like wget manually with dpkg -i, then use wget to test your network connection from within scratchbox Oct 05 11:44:36 ok Oct 05 11:44:53 but i install armel from sb-menu Oct 05 11:45:45 within scratchbox armel environment you can install armel deb binary packages with dpkg -i like on a normal tablet Oct 05 11:46:15 is there another way to test network from within scratchbox? Oct 05 11:46:26 Well, I don't have 2.2 installed. Oct 05 11:46:32 Is netcat installed? Oct 05 11:46:33 telnet? Oct 05 11:46:48 no, no Oct 05 11:47:27 Hmm .. Oct 05 11:49:39 pupnik, wget http://www.google.com/ Oct 05 11:49:48 tests both name resolution (dns) and TCP Oct 05 11:50:29 yes, just copy the wget armel binary into scratchbox home and use dpkg -i to install Oct 05 11:51:52 * alterego tries to decide whether he should use common menu's or window specific menus. Oct 05 11:52:01 This goes for toolbars too .. Oct 05 11:52:37 Is it possible to get the current window in your program? So you can make the toolbar work properly .. Oct 05 11:52:59 pupnik: dplk : bash: man: command not found Oct 05 11:53:09 opy, dpkg .. Oct 05 11:53:59 ya Oct 05 11:54:35 ya its dpkg Oct 05 11:54:36 Morning, all Oct 05 11:54:47 bash: man: command not found Oct 05 11:56:56 use manpages in host linux system Oct 05 11:57:02 ok Oct 05 12:01:16 Pupnik: i got "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set Oct 05 12:01:16 " Oct 05 12:03:58 set it in sb-menu Oct 05 12:04:20 hi Jaffa Oct 05 12:05:02 ok Oct 05 12:05:28 i don't know how to set it up in an installed scratchbox target Oct 05 12:05:48 i set the cpu transparency method with sb-menu when creating a new armel target Oct 05 12:06:24 anyone had problems with libcurl in scratchbox? Oct 05 12:08:09 i've compiled some games that use it Oct 05 12:09:12 Ya pupnik I got it Oct 05 12:10:35 you can use sb-conf to setup cpu transparency. Oct 05 12:14:52 How do you get the active HildonWindow ? Oct 05 12:36:36 whee pitfall 2 works and is playable on stella Oct 05 12:42:30 hi :) Oct 05 12:47:36 Any recommendations for a reboot-loop with a progress bar but no desktop on the N800? Oct 05 12:48:23 ouch - sounds like a reflash Oct 05 12:49:00 Ugh Oct 05 12:49:18 I'd almost rather let it sit in a drawer until the next firmware update. <_< Oct 05 12:53:08 hah - wasn't there just a firmware update? Oct 05 12:53:55 For what, non-broken SDHC support? Oct 05 12:54:00 No SDHC cards Oct 05 12:54:00 yes Oct 05 12:54:05 ah Oct 05 12:54:11 so, uh, not worth the pain of doing that update. ;) Oct 05 12:54:35 actually, someone on the list mentioned that there were other changes embedded as well, like tabs in opera Oct 05 12:55:01 Hehe, still not worth the flashing ordeal. Oct 05 12:55:05 But, I guess I have to now. Oct 05 13:09:33 * Tak|work trying out kagu Oct 05 13:10:42 hm, how do i downgrade debhelper version in a source? Oct 05 13:10:55 it uses 4, maemo's got 3 Oct 05 13:11:09 changing builddeps in control is not enough Oct 05 13:15:31 You can change the compat file too. Oct 05 13:15:36 Thgat will fix it. Oct 05 13:15:54 echo "3" > debian/compat Oct 05 13:20:47 alterego: thanks, that did it! Oct 05 13:21:15 No problem, I've hit that obsticle a couple of times cosmo ;) Oct 05 13:23:58 hm ,i guess now only .desktop file needed for stella Oct 05 13:35:13 does anyone have x11vnc working right on an n800? I've got display but can't click the left side. Oct 05 13:41:56 ok then.... anyone else have trouble getting onto maemo.org with their n800? it seems to be the only site that gives me grief. Oct 05 13:43:14 does anyone know if its possible to rotate the screen in xournal? Oct 05 13:44:53 nunyabizn: no, I haven't had any issues Oct 05 13:45:38 nunyabizn: i had some issues getting on there using my 770 at times. never fully understood why... Oct 05 13:47:21 hmmm... weird. I can get on no problem with my PC, but my n800 stalls and stalls. Oct 05 13:47:45 anyone have any luck with getting kagu to work since the new firmware? Oct 05 13:52:53 try a different vnc server nunyabizn Oct 05 13:57:37 mwaha i love this author. makes a nice SDL game with sound using 5 .c files and no autotools Oct 05 13:58:19 pupnik - i thought there was only one for 2007 os Oct 05 13:58:21 builds in ONE SECOND Oct 05 13:58:45 oh i thought you were using vncclient on nokia Oct 05 13:59:02 * Tak|work prefers autotools Oct 05 13:59:11 nope, other way around. thought it would be a handy way to type when i had a lot to do on the tablet hehe.... Oct 05 13:59:25 synergy works for that Oct 05 13:59:42 thx, i'll look it up Oct 05 13:59:53 synergy? Oct 05 13:59:53 <_Monkey> somebody said synergy was mouse and keyboard sharing between computer and tablet: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/unique311/ and for 770 http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb Oct 05 14:04:49 wb koen Oct 05 14:06:32 ugh, if only i had my 770 working now Oct 05 14:13:18 what was the name of the package which gives on devel-roofs the taskbar applet to select usb-net? Oct 05 14:14:27 * pupnik plays a new game on 770 :) Oct 05 14:15:13 any ideas why the "appname-loading" message stays in corner when launching from menu and app crashes after a while? Oct 05 14:15:28 launching from console works ok Oct 05 14:15:34 Does the actual app ever appear? Oct 05 14:15:40 yes Oct 05 14:15:53 but the message stays on top of it Oct 05 14:16:02 Ok Oct 05 14:16:30 see the maemo-games howto Oct 05 14:16:55 i was just reading it Oct 05 14:17:02 would putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=appexename"); help? Oct 05 14:17:13 i forgot .. where's the page again? Oct 05 14:17:32 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/gamedevelopment/#208fbda676b599012b4c45b627cfdaa4 Oct 05 14:17:51 ty Oct 05 14:18:20 anybody remember lode runner? Oct 05 14:18:26 yes Oct 05 14:18:44 i'm playing with a clone right now Oct 05 14:22:19 * alterego is working on an XML Editor for maemo. Oct 05 14:23:09 console orgraphical one? Oct 05 14:23:24 Graphical Oct 05 14:23:43 I got sick of using nano. Oct 05 14:23:53 some patch to vi/vim could work also Oct 05 14:24:01 Not really, Oct 05 14:24:09 Not for what I have in mind and I don't like Vim much. Oct 05 14:24:16 graphical - called scavenger - just looking at key remapping Oct 05 14:24:16 :) Oct 05 14:24:34 Hence why I'm coding it in emacs ;) Oct 05 14:24:46 i was digging through 10 years of linuxgames archives looking for old forgotten sdl games :) Oct 05 14:24:54 Hahg Oct 05 14:24:58 Find any good ones pup? Oct 05 14:25:04 I heard of zile as emacs tiny colne Oct 05 14:25:07 yeah scavenger is fun Oct 05 14:25:09 Sounds fun. Oct 05 14:25:09 *clone Oct 05 14:25:32 Basically, I'm trying to minimize the amount of typing :P Oct 05 14:25:40 So it _has_ to be graphical. Oct 05 14:25:45 k Oct 05 14:25:54 oh editor Oct 05 14:26:08 Editor and Viewer but that's beside the point ;) Oct 05 14:26:11 perl could help Oct 05 14:26:18 I'm writing it in Ruby Oct 05 14:26:26 Using ruby-maemo Oct 05 14:26:32 I'm not familiar :( Oct 05 14:26:36 :) Oct 05 14:27:06 hm, the loading message went away, but still the app crashes after a while when launched from menu Oct 05 14:27:49 Have you created a .service file? Oct 05 14:27:57 You are using OSSO right? Oct 05 14:29:45 yep Oct 05 14:30:03 i got to go now, but you can try yourself http://www.modeemi.fi/~cosmo/stella_2.4.2-1_armel.deb Oct 05 14:30:59 ok cosmo nice job and come back soon Oct 05 14:49:41 Interesting .. My toolbar is showing text too O_O Oct 05 14:50:01 alterego: awesome Oct 05 14:50:08 IT shouldn't be .. Oct 05 14:50:33 Doesn't maemo stop that? Oct 05 14:50:51 The example doesn't change the style of the toolbar .. Oct 05 14:59:53 timeless is a trippy demo for tablets (esc to abort) http://pupnik.de/timeless_maemo.tgz Oct 05 15:02:05 Amazon has the N800 under $300 Oct 05 15:02:08 Quite a price drop Oct 05 15:03:12 Target has it for $280 Oct 05 15:03:56 Maybe in anticipation for the new one :) Oct 05 15:17:22 stupid question, after installing dropbear server on N800, what's the account/pwd combo that can be used to log in? Oct 05 15:17:54 There isn't one Oct 05 15:17:54 there's a root/rootme Oct 05 15:17:57 ? Oct 05 15:18:29 there was on 770 Oct 05 15:18:58 yeah I seem to remember it being root/rootme Oct 05 15:19:02 of course you want to change that password Oct 05 15:21:26 * czr doesn't see any useful answer :-) Oct 05 15:21:31 did I miss it somehow? :-) Oct 05 15:22:20 ah, it is root/rootme. thanks Oct 05 15:22:37 * czr continues making music via wall/head interactions. Oct 05 15:23:19 is there a file which holds all the words in the keyboard auto-complete list? Oct 05 15:27:17 not to forget to say that reflash from usb flash memory stick to 770 device, using old knoppix live cd, worked fine with flasher 2.0; thanx all who helped with advices Oct 05 15:29:58 ~[6~/c Oct 05 15:45:30 the keyboard auto-complete list is part of a piece of non-free software - it's compiled into some sort of compressed form and lives in a shared library Oct 05 15:46:07 shared lib means the information wants to be shared, right? right?? :-) Oct 05 15:46:42 can you rephrase the question? Oct 05 15:47:14 if you are looking to configure a program to use libraries that are available on the tablet, select shared libraries Oct 05 15:47:39 New $595 home computer! http://fargoal.com/homeimages/pspetsm.jpg Oct 05 15:50:42 pupnik, never mind :-) Oct 05 15:54:49 im looking to add/delete things from the list of keywords Oct 05 15:54:52 is that possible Oct 05 15:54:53 ? Oct 05 16:00:36 hmm. the N800 google desktop applet is a bit silly. it keeps the focus in the input field and the cursor remains there. blinking. Oct 05 16:01:19 also I notice the backlight fluctuates for a while, this is not normal, is it? :-) Oct 05 16:01:31 (the device was just resting by itself on the desk) Oct 05 16:04:34 Atarii: When you are typing, click and hold on the word you want to delete and you'll get a menu. Oct 05 16:05:32 at lowest brightness backlight can flicker Oct 05 16:05:56 if using it2007he, there was a backlight oscilatting bug (software) - you can see bl meter go up and down Oct 05 16:07:42 thanks straind Oct 05 16:08:00 No problem. I do that every day because the kids type nonsense. :) Oct 05 16:08:10 pupnik, newest fw for N800 Oct 05 16:08:30 but it turned off completely now, so it's not a biggie. seemed odd though. Oct 05 16:27:35 too many interesting things out there Oct 05 16:47:58 Anyone know why the expand/collapse triangles don't show under Hildon? Oct 05 17:01:47 you are working with gtk->hildon port alterego ? Oct 05 17:01:51 or on ruby stuff? Oct 05 17:02:16 I'm writing an app in Ruby for my tablet. Oct 05 17:02:38 I was just wondering if it was default behaviour to not show those triangles .. Oct 05 17:05:44 is anyone aware of any official documentation on all d-bus services, calls available, their prototypes and results? (as well as signal info) for both system and session. Oct 05 17:07:25 czr, specific to maemo? Nope, I've not found any. I was looking for something like that a couple of weeks ago. Oct 05 17:07:58 alterego, one that would for example list all the stuff, then "starting from " for devices and SDKs separately Oct 05 17:08:01 it would be very very nice. Oct 05 17:08:11 especially if it also would be documented :-) Oct 05 17:08:16 Yes, I think that Nokia is trying to hide some of the details ;) Oct 05 17:08:28 probably just too lazy to document it methinks :-) Oct 05 17:08:30 Or they're just lazy. Oct 05 17:08:33 :) Oct 05 17:08:49 You could always do it yourself. Grep all the sources for dbus ;) Oct 05 17:09:05 Infact, you can view all of the .service files. That'd be a good place to start :) Oct 05 17:09:28 I think that's where I started from. Oct 05 17:09:28 alterego, yes indeed! I could also rewrite X to do graphics correctly, reimplement the I/O scheduling in large multi I/O subsystem systems, do proper packet filtering with dynamically generated machine code, etc, etc, etc. but.. :-) Oct 05 17:09:42 alterego, you were looking for something specific or more in general? Oct 05 17:10:25 I was looking for a way to turn bt off/on so I could add a quick launch command to my cpu/mem status bar applet. Oct 05 17:10:34 I ended up just using hciconfig. :) Oct 05 17:10:38 heh Oct 05 17:11:12 I guess the most simple solutions are the best. Oct 05 17:11:16 I guess that would somehow go through the "mode" daemon which controls which radios are on in which modes (the one that you see when you press the "power" button) Oct 05 17:11:26 especially if hciconfig exists anyway Oct 05 17:11:27 Unfortunately I had to add a line to /etc/sudoers for it to work. But it did and does great :) Oct 05 17:11:52 hciconfig needs root, right? Oct 05 17:12:08 So no more app menu->system->configuration->bluetooth->on Oct 05 17:12:11 Yes Oct 05 17:12:21 what you could do, is a small wrapper in C, that would only allow one parameter (on/off), then it would call hciconfig internally. then you would suid the wrapper Oct 05 17:12:31 the wrapper could use exec too, no need for system() and such. Oct 05 17:12:42 You could do that as a shell script .. Oct 05 17:12:47 i'd like to popup up a status window from shell... Oct 05 17:13:00 pupnik, you mean a dialog? Oct 05 17:13:02 alterego, but you can't suid a shell script. Oct 05 17:13:12 Erm .. Yes you can. Oct 05 17:13:18 What makes you think you can't suid a shell script? Oct 05 17:13:33 because bash (for example) will refuse to run when started with uid != euid. Oct 05 17:13:39 just a little dialog yes Oct 05 17:13:49 it's a security feature (so they say) Oct 05 17:13:50 Who said anything about bash? Oct 05 17:13:53 "are you sure you want to continue? y/n" Oct 05 17:13:54 true Oct 05 17:13:59 alterego, busybox shell doesn't check? Oct 05 17:14:05 pupnik, there is a way. I'll have a look. Oct 05 17:14:14 czr, no idea if ash does or doesn't. Oct 05 17:14:35 well, we'll find out soon enough, give me a sec Oct 05 17:16:03 alterego, it runs, but restores uid before running the script ;-) Oct 05 17:16:14 Are you sure? Oct 05 17:16:16 so indeed, you can set suid, and you can even the script, but it will not run as root ;-) Oct 05 17:16:18 just tested. Oct 05 17:16:18 Try 'rm -rf' ;) Oct 05 17:16:23 ran id Oct 05 17:16:40 Well, you have no idea how id works .. Oct 05 17:16:56 do tell me Oct 05 17:17:12 I don't know either. That's why I suggested 'rm -rf' you know, just to be sure :P Oct 05 17:17:58 ok. now I do ls -la /proc/self after the id as well Oct 05 17:18:01 still no root. Oct 05 17:18:20 and no, I'm not running rm -rf, especially since without filename parameters it will refuse to run Oct 05 17:18:36 :P Oct 05 17:19:07 * czr throws out alteregos script idea out of the window of "ideas that sound fine, but don't actually work" Oct 05 17:19:16 Rubbish. Oct 05 17:19:22 that goes through the same window Oct 05 17:19:25 You're the one that wants to use bash or ash. Oct 05 17:19:36 which script do you suggest to run? Oct 05 17:19:43 I suggested using a wrapper in C :-) Oct 05 17:19:50 You can write it in whatever language you want. Oct 05 17:19:52 I don't care :P Oct 05 17:20:03 * czr throws alterego through the same window Oct 05 17:20:04 :-) Oct 05 17:20:04 My sudo hciconfig works fine. Oct 05 17:20:09 fine fine :-) Oct 05 17:20:24 For the record. I do like your idea about using setuid. Oct 05 17:20:32 I'd probably use ruby ;) Oct 05 17:20:35 that's what I normally do in similar situations Oct 05 17:20:44 you'd have to check how it handles suid Oct 05 17:20:54 I know that perl by default will also refuse to do anything when script is suided Oct 05 17:21:06 Interesting. Oct 05 17:21:17 as said, it is a "security" feature. Oct 05 17:21:29 python doesn't implement it Oct 05 17:21:59 so it runs quite happily with suid. Oct 05 17:22:42 alterego, the other point in the wrapper is that since it will have a very controlled parameter line, it will only use one system call, it is easy to audit for security Oct 05 17:22:53 unlike shells and larger stuff like interpreters Oct 05 17:23:04 O_o Oct 05 17:23:16 yes, some people actually do security audits :-) Oct 05 17:23:19 I just don't see anypoint in writing and compiling a C program for something like this. Oct 05 17:23:31 It's what scripting languages are designed for :P Oct 05 17:23:36 it's restricting the foot print of code that will run with root privs Oct 05 17:23:37 Running/Executing commands and all .. Oct 05 17:23:58 well, you're approaching the problem as a developer. I'm approaching it from security standpoint. Oct 05 17:24:00 Sure, I get your point. But I'm not that paranoid :) Oct 05 17:24:09 besides, writing C is simple Oct 05 17:24:21 Not when you're on the road :P Oct 05 17:24:29 I did my solution whilst in the bath .. Oct 05 17:24:31 hmm. you've got a point. no keyboard? Oct 05 17:24:47 Keyboard doesn't matter. No C compiler :P Oct 05 17:24:55 true :-) Oct 05 17:25:17 But no, I don't have a keyboard. I don't really need one. Oct 05 17:25:19 not a local one, you could always make an transparent gcc-bridge over ssh to the system which has compler and such Oct 05 17:25:29 yup. I wouldn't code anything on the device itself either Oct 05 17:25:37 Oh, I code on the device. Oct 05 17:25:44 The occasional little app/ Oct 05 17:25:46 me not. I hate the virtual keyboard. Oct 05 17:25:48 Ruby is great for that. Oct 05 17:26:17 Only small things. I wrote a colour selector app that generated the hexidecimal html/css notation. Oct 05 17:26:33 That was pretty neat, took me about 10 minutes or so. Oct 05 17:26:36 hmm. the busybox netstat doesn't report processes bound to sockets, does it? (didn't seem to support -p) Oct 05 17:26:50 I don't work on projects which finish under a week Oct 05 17:27:38 It'd take you a week to do that?! :) Oct 05 17:27:47 yeah, I'm a slot typist! Oct 05 17:27:53 :) Oct 05 17:27:58 and I'd have to code all the 2^24 if-then-elses in! Oct 05 17:28:09 Hahah Oct 05 17:28:16 For security right? Oct 05 17:28:18 ;) Oct 05 17:28:31 of course. writing test cases for all 2^24 would be slightly painful Oct 05 17:28:38 but I could always out-source that to india or somewhere. Oct 05 17:28:38 :D Oct 05 17:28:45 Or meta program/ Oct 05 17:29:00 meta program? pretend you're programming, but infact, are slacking off? Oct 05 17:29:01 ruby-hildon has some nice meta programming. Oct 05 17:29:17 It auto generates a header file and a c source file depending on the contents of the source directory. Oct 05 17:29:29 pft Oct 05 17:29:45 Simple example :P Oct 05 17:30:03