**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 07 02:59:57 2007 Oct 07 04:07:26 HOLY FUCKING SHIT Oct 07 04:07:30 errrr Oct 07 04:07:31 woops Oct 07 04:07:49 new camera is full of awsome Oct 07 04:07:51 sorry Oct 07 04:13:47 anyone recommend a quick and dirty php voting script with multiple choices? Oct 07 04:14:03 oss script Oct 07 05:23:23 question, How do i set mplayer to open everything.... Oct 07 05:23:48 vids, stream links from the net. Oct 07 05:23:51 everything.. Oct 07 05:23:52 <_Monkey> everything is executable too Oct 07 05:24:17 really tired of file format not supported. Oct 07 05:24:56 You'd have to edit the MIME types. Oct 07 05:25:42 edit mime types for mplayer Oct 07 06:59:14 osso-xterm: the 16 colour range has the same shade being used for both black and "bright black". Is there any way to change "bright black" to be a dark grey in between black and the normal grey shade? Oct 07 06:59:19 http://inz.fi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/shot-2007-05-15-14-14-01.png Oct 07 06:59:59 Shows the 16 standard colours - need the colour below black to be 1/2 way between black and the grey at the end of the top line. Oct 07 07:01:28 (as is more normal for 'bright black') Oct 07 07:13:35 hi, 770 owner here, writing from it. Ihave a 2gb card that i had working at 1 time....now says corrupt. Instructions for formatting (i already have root)? Oct 07 07:19:49 Hi? Oct 07 07:19:51 <_Monkey> How ya doin' syosof1? Oct 07 07:20:01 Ok,u? Oct 07 07:20:22 I just have 2gb i cant ust ;/ Oct 07 07:20:44 Hi? Oct 07 07:20:47 <_Monkey> How ya doin' syosof1? Oct 07 07:21:00 Figured bot ( Oct 07 07:21:22 /timestamps Oct 07 07:21:43 /Join #help Oct 07 07:33:34 zerojay: mimetypes. I Oct 07 07:33:47 a link maybe on how to edit this on maemo.. Oct 07 07:34:29 So iws thinking about u the p Oct 07 07:36:28 Forgive my type im on the 770 and havent found tthe thum Oct 07 07:36:56 b keybboard Oct 07 07:37:47 don't you just have to press on the screen with your fingers.. Oct 07 07:37:54 and the thumb keyboard appears Oct 07 07:38:16 yeah that should work Oct 07 07:38:26 works over here on the n800 Oct 07 07:38:32 you have to press with your finger in an input field iirc Oct 07 07:39:38 c0ffee: you know how i can go about changing modifying mime types, so mplayer starts instead of the default media player for an rtsp:// link Oct 07 07:39:44 anyone? Oct 07 07:40:15 All i get is the little keyboard Oct 07 07:41:34 try using your thumb... Oct 07 07:41:41 fingerprint part of it.. Oct 07 07:41:44 Although i did come across the big one when i put the 770 in my pocket :) Oct 07 07:41:49 the whole fingerprint.. Oct 07 07:42:27 thumbprint i guess when saying thumb Oct 07 07:43:03 Yup that works Oct 07 07:43:25 cool Oct 07 07:43:32 I feel kina stupit Oct 07 07:43:42 i need help.. Oct 07 07:43:49 can you help me with my problems. Oct 07 07:46:14 So, any ideas on how to format this2gb card? Oct 07 07:46:15 And is tvere a way to send frpm the thumb keyboard? Oct 07 07:47:07 On the N800, the square key in the middle of the dpad also toggles the keyboard into thumb-mode Oct 07 07:47:59 On toggling back, whatever you typed is passed through. Oct 07 07:48:00 Ill try but i havent eally used this thing even thou ive owned it for months Oct 07 07:50:20 Ah ok, middle button sends Oct 07 07:50:32 Much easier Oct 07 07:51:09 hmm, have anyone else ran into a error with opera in 2006 where some of the stuff entered using the thumb-board gets doubled at the end of the text? Oct 07 07:51:35 Yes, I've seen that Oct 07 07:52:15 i wonder if thats still around in 2007he Oct 07 07:52:32 as its, to put it mildly, annoying... Oct 07 07:52:42 Apparenyly the rocker closs or cashes gaim Oct 07 07:52:56 try pidgin Oct 07 07:53:47 Nice, pidgin has a 770 port? Oct 07 07:54:24 yep, may take some repo wrangling but works fine imo Oct 07 07:54:47 sadly, its not the latest and greatest, so you may get a message to update ever so often Oct 07 07:56:08 Hrm... Trying to keep it simple atm. Formatting is first on the agenda. Oct 07 07:58:36 2gb orks on 2006, right? Oct 07 07:58:59 no clue Oct 07 07:59:04 I swear i had it working before... Oct 07 07:59:16 isnt there a format option in the file browser? Oct 07 07:59:23 How do i find os version? Oct 07 07:59:26 sadly my 770 has a wsod so i cant check Oct 07 07:59:41 think its in the settings area somewhere. it should say in the manual Oct 07 08:00:03 Rtfm, eh? Oct 07 08:00:55 something like that :) Oct 07 08:02:14 File mgr just says "no memory card inserted" butt when i put it in it throws a not formatted or corrupt msg Oct 07 08:02:40 Ghetto ;} Oct 07 08:03:16 tools -> control panel -> device -> about product... Oct 07 08:05:13 Thanks for the hand holding ;) it is os 2006... Oct 07 08:08:25 the 770 file manager holds a format option under "memory card" in its menu... Oct 07 08:11:40 Wouldnt know memory card is grayed out as file manager doesnt think on is iserted Oct 07 08:12:07 hmm... Oct 07 08:13:33 Yae kinda sucks... Still getthat message when i insert and close the cover Oct 07 08:15:36 well i have no clue. maybe something on internettablettalk? Oct 07 08:16:14 As in the chan? Oct 07 08:16:44 forum Oct 07 08:16:53 http://www.internettablettalk.com/ Oct 07 08:17:10 Gotcha Oct 07 08:20:04 Grrr cant click-launch that url. Giam is saying somethig about manual browser selection Oct 07 08:31:48 Tryying to follow http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ExtendedRootFilesystem Oct 07 08:42:23 iphone.facebook.com looks really good on microb... Oct 07 08:42:32 works * Oct 07 08:57:04 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card anyone familar with that? I did it all and i can see one ~480mb "memory card" but not the second partiti as the last 770 related command fails Oct 07 08:57:50 mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/mmc2 Oct 07 09:07:49 hi all Oct 07 09:13:00 yeah iphone.facebook is good tho i always prefer the normal facebook ui Oct 07 09:27:42 interesting how soon iphone-specific pages shows up Oct 07 09:27:54 do apple really have that much "power"? Oct 07 09:29:14 it's just hype Oct 07 09:34:46 disq: hype or not, they still get more "presence" then most other corps in the field... Oct 07 09:35:03 they have disproportionate amount of community good-will Oct 07 09:35:26 having been seen as the "renegades" so many years (and they did make quite nice hardware), it's not too suprising. Oct 07 09:35:34 at least that's how I see it. Oct 07 09:35:43 heh, renegades... Oct 07 09:35:46 os x isn't too bad either. esp for developers, etc. Oct 07 09:35:53 t_s_o, compared to ms, obviously :-) Oct 07 09:36:34 i'll get a macbook myself soon, but never liked i* Oct 07 09:37:10 I haven't used the recent hw, but used to install linux into hw quite regularly some years back Oct 07 09:37:19 still have couple of cubes humming away Oct 07 09:38:25 i didn't use linux on desktop since, well. 1999 or so Oct 07 09:38:31 or haven't used, rather Oct 07 09:38:57 sure. people have different needs and tastes, so.. Oct 07 09:39:45 when i used i loved gnome but rarely used it. was more comfortable with cli Oct 07 09:40:30 the thing i find most interesting is this, apple comes out with a closed device, and everyone and their pet seems to want to hack it, sony comes with one, and people go shoping for a less restricted device... Oct 07 09:41:24 yeah Oct 07 09:41:53 the apple device just looks better. Oct 07 09:41:56 not to forget sony has fanboys too, maybe just not as IT-oriented as apple Oct 07 09:42:02 (and apple has an army of fanboys) Oct 07 09:42:11 Does anyone know if there is a terminal for the N800 that defines 'bright black' as dark-grey rather than black? Oct 07 09:42:12 disq, or maybe they're all in japan? Oct 07 09:43:03 on desktop linux this is configurable somewhere Oct 07 09:43:30 still being the renegades in the industry (is it still true? everybody has a macbook in the US nowadays) probably help on the fanboyism Oct 07 09:44:29 Dawnmist: no idea but wouldn't count on it. inz would know how to get that effect on xterm tho Oct 07 09:45:08 disq, maybe it's the glowing log on the laptops :-) Oct 07 09:45:11 logo even Oct 07 09:45:32 I don't know. they must be doing something right. Oct 07 09:45:45 or pushing huge amount of cash into whatever they're doing. Oct 07 09:45:52 but that only helps so far. Oct 07 09:52:14 everyone loves being nonconformist, as long as they can be part of the group ;) Oct 07 09:52:40 so maybe its a cult, the cult of the fruit Oct 07 09:53:05 still, i think its the pod that have gotten them the mindshare they are currently floating on Oct 07 09:53:06 Dawnmist: on debian linux PC you control with /usr/share/X11/rgb.txt Oct 07 09:57:35 i think they are just throwing a lot of money on everything they are doing until it snowballs and yields a profit. Oct 07 09:58:46 * czr agrees with t_s_o Oct 07 09:59:41 i just wonder what kind of result the european launch of the iphone will have... Oct 07 09:59:56 more muted I'd expect Oct 07 10:01:04 damn, why did i forget about the word "fashion". Oct 07 10:01:32 it's unfashionable? Oct 07 10:01:48 no, that the apple logo have become a fashion Oct 07 10:02:12 that if they where to print it onto t-shits they could probably sell it 10x the normal price... Oct 07 10:05:52 hmm. I've finally succeeded at one goals in life. Oct 07 10:06:03 I now dominate the first results page of google with my name :-) Oct 07 10:06:11 * czr drinks some coffee to celebrate. Oct 07 10:07:29 xterm? Oct 07 10:07:29 <_Monkey> xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard Oct 07 10:08:08 That's what I'm using. Oct 07 10:08:21 The problem is the definition of the 'bright black' colour Oct 07 10:08:32 http://inz.fi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/shot-2007-05-15-14-14-01.png Oct 07 10:08:50 shows what the colour is - the one in the system colours under the black Oct 07 10:08:53 strange, that maemo.org shows 0.13.mh19 and i have 0.13.mh24 on 770 Oct 07 10:09:01 yesh i saw that Oct 07 10:09:04 http://frexx.de/xterm-256-notes/img/256colors2.png Oct 07 10:09:13 shows what that colour *should* be Oct 07 10:09:36 did you file bugreport? Oct 07 10:09:52 Can't. It won't accept/file the report Oct 07 10:10:03 I can preview it - but not send it. Oct 07 10:10:30 Bugzilla doesn't have a preview. Oct 07 10:10:31 enable cookies? Oct 07 10:10:31 And without it, lots of monsters + the black market are invisible in angband Oct 07 10:10:37 and that too :-) Oct 07 10:10:58 zerojay: but inz uses trak, and it does have a preview Oct 07 10:11:16 Oh. Trak sucks. Oct 07 10:13:49 why does it suck? it's just slow, anything else? Oct 07 10:14:04 It won't let me enter a bug-report :P Oct 07 10:14:10 I just hate the whole layout of it. Oct 07 10:14:18 More complex than it needs to be. Oct 07 10:15:57 it's useful for developers. if no anonymous tickets are allowed that's a configuration issue :) Oct 07 10:16:05 i think you can allow it Oct 07 10:16:10 never administered trac tho Oct 07 10:16:42 *lol* - with no ability to create a login, and no anonymous tickets, there's no way to file a bug report. Oct 07 10:16:52 I guess it keeps things quiet :P Oct 07 10:17:31 sounds like a dream system to me :-) Oct 07 10:19:39 question: does it make sense to use the GLib bindings for D-Bus instead of libosso now that they work(?) in new releases? Oct 07 10:19:46 account problem on maemo.org Dawnmist ? Oct 07 10:19:57 pupnik_, you can't login either? Oct 07 10:20:08 or somewhere else Oct 07 10:20:09 I registered yesterday, could access garage, but not maemo.org Oct 07 10:23:30 had the same problem Oct 07 10:23:58 ok. must be something wrong with the site config then Oct 07 10:28:01 actually i cannot access anything. maemo or garage. if i try to reactivate my account by folloing the link to the email i received i get the message "account already active" so something else is wrong Oct 07 10:29:21 could be related Oct 07 10:29:43 you probably had an account before yesterday, so we'd see the problem differently I guess. Oct 07 10:30:22 any takers for the d-bus/glib-question? Oct 07 10:31:08 hello Oct 07 10:31:18 I left my N800 on by mistake, and the batteries drained Oct 07 10:31:28 after loading it it works fine again, with one exception Oct 07 10:31:31 wifi refuses to work Oct 07 10:31:43 it worked fine before this happened, but now it won't find my network when scanning Oct 07 10:31:55 does it see other any networks? Oct 07 10:31:58 no Oct 07 10:32:03 did it see before? Oct 07 10:32:06 and usually it picks up several of my neighbors Oct 07 10:32:09 ok Oct 07 10:32:24 * czr has no idea actually. Oct 07 10:32:33 maybe you should report the bug? or scan bugzilla for similar ones? Oct 07 10:32:47 yeah, thats probably a good idea Oct 07 10:32:50 you could always reflash if all else fails (like removing the battery and attaching it back, etc) Oct 07 10:33:01 that _should_ fix it. it's still a bug though. Oct 07 10:33:13 if that doesn't fix it, then something is borken at hw-level. Oct 07 10:40:16 http://www.banksy.co.uk/drawing/images/fallofman.gif Oct 07 10:40:27 do you know how to make xterm display colors? after modifying .bashrc i get the error '-sh: /root/.bashrc: dircolors: not found' when i login Oct 07 10:41:58 I have intentionaly drained the battery of my N800 a couple of times but didn't see the problem you described. try reflashing it. Oct 07 10:42:44 t_s_o, heh Oct 07 10:43:22 czr, removing the battery and attatching it again fixed it Oct 07 10:43:31 altought I fail to see what that does that a power cycle doesn't Oct 07 10:43:34 thanks for the tip Oct 07 10:46:17 the battery forms a full electronic circuit within the system. removing it cuts that circuit. so you might assume that it's more of an reset than just power on/power off Oct 07 10:46:48 I could also say it's a "nokia thing". can't even remember the times when I needed to reset a phone by removing a battery and putting it back into place :-) Oct 07 10:47:07 but then again I guess most portable devices with batteries are like that nowadays. Oct 07 10:47:18 czr: I do. Oct 07 10:47:51 zerojay, unless we're getting married real soon now, what does 'I do' relate to? :-) Oct 07 10:48:01 Removing the battery. Oct 07 10:48:22 * czr is still missing some syntax Oct 07 10:48:27 nm Oct 07 10:48:31 ok Oct 07 10:48:37 you mean counting the times? Oct 07 10:48:52 yep Oct 07 10:54:39 is there a bash package for N800? Oct 07 11:10:04 A linux distro for COMPAQ ipaq h3900??? Oct 07 11:10:27 no? Oct 07 11:11:10 Sorry,I mean do you know A linux distro for COMPAQ ipaq h3900??? Oct 07 11:12:07 wrong room i guess Oct 07 11:12:14 try google Oct 07 11:13:35 hmm. noticed that the dbus package on the device is at 0.61-osso28. I assume then that this is before the 1.0 D-Bus launch last year? Oct 07 11:14:01 I believe we'll get dbus 1.0 in Chinook. Oct 07 11:14:11 ok Oct 07 11:14:40 zerojay, you know whether using libosso for d-bus is more sane than using glib for d-bus? (for 0.61) Oct 07 11:14:55 Sorry, can't say i do. Oct 07 11:15:00 i'd go with libosso when i can. but it doesn't support certain things Oct 07 11:15:00 i.e., what would be the recommended way. Oct 07 11:15:14 disq, why not glib? Oct 07 11:15:27 because the maemo dbus is ancient Oct 07 11:15:28 (just curious mind you, have no opinion on this) Oct 07 11:16:02 ah, so the glib-bindings for 3.2 are old, did I understand correctly? Oct 07 11:16:17 * pupnik works on xu4 and nothing else today Oct 07 11:16:23 pupnik, xu4? Oct 07 11:16:36 i think the glib bindings are newer than the dbus itself. not sure Oct 07 11:16:53 they work to some extent, but most of the docs you find on the net don't really apply Oct 07 11:17:02 hmm. the package versions are the same (0.61-osso28), but that's not saying much. Oct 07 11:17:10 disq, ok. fun fun fun then. Oct 07 11:17:20 yeah. :/ Oct 07 11:17:56 so either way one is screwed when chinook comes out Oct 07 11:18:01 which is always nice :-) Oct 07 11:18:27 i'm guessing libosso would be less problematic Oct 07 11:19:05 they're bound to break it, I'm pretty sure :-) Oct 07 11:19:22 * czr continues to do some digging then Oct 07 11:19:43 I have a pile of stuff that supposedly should work on 3.2 (code and documentation), but aren't feeling overly optimistic about it Oct 07 11:20:13 hence the questions. anticipate running into issues and I can still redo a lot of the stuff. the target is 3.2 though, and I don't have anything to test chinook stuff with anyway Oct 07 11:21:28 * suihkulokki notices czr allways appears when a new software version is comming out Oct 07 11:23:31 suihkulokki, heh. actually I had a long break not being involved in this stuff. Oct 07 11:23:42 trying to get up to speed. very very quickly. Oct 07 11:24:43 suihkulokki, 1.0 was the last version I did anything for Oct 07 11:24:53 that leaves many many versions in between Oct 07 11:40:41 hmm. osso_application_set_top_cb and unset_top_cb are marked for deprecation, and one should use "osso_rpc"-functions instead. which functions, and if this is being replaced by signals coming over the d-bus, then which signals specifically and how can signals be subscribed to in libosso? Oct 07 11:43:16 oh btw if you come across sample python code to broadcast a dbus message could you pass it along :) Oct 07 11:43:35 I wish I'd be doing something with python, alas no Oct 07 11:43:36 maybe later Oct 07 11:47:27 libosso doxygen also is bit weird. osso_application_name_get and osso_application_version_get are not documented (other than prototypes) and are located under "Autosaving". useful.. Oct 07 11:55:18 You can just use the dbus calls. Oct 07 11:56:25 alterego, yup. what's the convention then? reuse the connection that libosso has already opened, or open a new one, separate from libosso? Oct 07 11:56:31 (assuming one uses libosso for other stuff) Oct 07 11:56:47 You can only have one connection I believe. Oct 07 11:57:02 uhm. so how not to trip libosso then? Oct 07 11:57:08 Which does create a problem, I don't think you can get a handle on the connection that osso creates .. Oct 07 11:57:20 indeed Oct 07 11:57:37 Though, interestingly enough. OSSO is kind of pointless in my mind. Oct 07 11:57:41 or even if I could, I'd have to undo all kinds of stuff that libosso did Oct 07 11:57:50 It's not hard to do exactly what libosso does at the start of your app. Oct 07 11:58:07 it does have convenience stuff that is.. well, convenient. Oct 07 11:58:08 It doesn't do much ^_^ Oct 07 11:58:15 Sure, Oct 07 11:58:41 It would be more convenient if you could get the dbus connection ;) Oct 07 11:58:58 Actually .. Oct 07 11:59:02 hmm. why can't I get more than one? Oct 07 11:59:45 I thought that was how D-Bus works. Oct 07 12:00:15 hmm. that'd be rather limiting from their part Oct 07 12:00:25 at least with libdbus. not sure about the glib-wrappers Oct 07 12:00:45 Why would you need more than one connection? Oct 07 12:00:58 to use d-bus for signals and libosso for convenience. Oct 07 12:01:09 libosso opens system and session buses on init. Oct 07 12:01:40 and yes, I remember that you said I should ditch libosso altogether. which would solve this problem. Oct 07 12:01:41 but still. Oct 07 12:01:53 Okay, maybe you can open multiple connections. Oct 07 12:02:01 In which case, you can use dbus outside of osso. Oct 07 12:02:10 yes. Oct 07 12:02:21 that was the intent. Oct 07 12:02:30 so that signal stuff could be done there directly. Oct 07 12:02:35 but I'll need to dig deeper. Oct 07 12:02:42 Right Oct 07 12:04:34 Aha, if you've already opened a connection to a specific address, then the connection object returned by dbus_connection_open is the same. Oct 07 12:04:35 anyone have ideas whether submitting patches against libosso (in order to correct doxygen documentation) makes sense (targetting 3.2), since 4.0 is so near? Oct 07 12:04:51 alterego, makes sense. Oct 07 12:05:03 That's probably why I was getting confused ^_^ Oct 07 12:05:40 Though, you can open a "private" connection. Which will be a different handle. Oct 07 12:05:56 good to know Oct 07 12:06:10 * czr has never done anything with d-bus before Oct 07 12:06:13 hence the stupid questions. Oct 07 12:06:22 Yeah, it's an interesting beast. Oct 07 12:06:51 The d-bus site is pretty informative. Oct 07 12:06:56 there's no docs on the glib/dbus-wrapper for 3.2 Oct 07 12:07:04 alterego, yeah, been reading it. Oct 07 12:07:04 With API documentation and some good descriptive overviews. Oct 07 12:07:19 The glib dbus API is on the dbus website. Oct 07 12:07:28 That's not a maemo thing. Oct 07 12:07:30 alterego, for older releases as well? Oct 07 12:07:33 It's a dbus thing. Oct 07 12:07:36 yeah, but maemo ships 0.61 Oct 07 12:07:40 Oh, right. Oct 07 12:07:47 Not sure about that. Oct 07 12:09:42 hmm. the latest version of binding is 0.74 Oct 07 12:10:04 which seems slightly weird. I know that d-bus uses their own version numbering for libdbus and wrappers have their own Oct 07 12:10:17 but why do the packages have all the same versions in maemo and the device? Oct 07 12:10:34 Don't know :) Oct 07 12:10:35 i.e., what is the true version number of dbus and dbusglib on the device and maemo Oct 07 12:10:49 * czr hates when silly things like this crop up Oct 07 12:11:05 Is it really that important? Oct 07 12:11:22 it is when you're trying to understand what will work and what will not Oct 07 12:11:28 one interesting approach might be hacking sdl's mod play ability or mikmod to implement a subset of midi Oct 07 12:11:34 oop wrong chan Oct 07 12:24:47 What do you get with 2007 hacker edition that you don't get with the latest 770 fw ? Oct 07 12:26:34 hmm, is there a python 2.4 still out there for os2007? I keep finding things that need it, despite me having 2.5 installed Oct 07 12:32:16 ekim|irc_, compatibility with N800 software Oct 07 12:32:39 flip^, you might be able to force the install Oct 07 12:33:15 but stuff looks in the 2.4 paths for python sometimes :( Oct 07 12:33:41 Sounds like rubbish coding. Oct 07 12:33:50 Doesn't Python know it's own site directories? Oct 07 12:33:55 site and library locations .. Oct 07 12:37:04 export PYTHONPATH='/usr/local/bin/python2.5/site-packages' Oct 07 12:37:13 replace te 5 with a 4 Oct 07 12:37:18 alterego: its advertised on the maemo python pages that software needs 'maintenance' to work with 2.5, and suggests that you can't have both 2.4 and 2.5 on at the same time Oct 07 12:37:42 What stuff can I uninstall to get some more space ? Oct 07 12:37:43 Right Oct 07 12:37:48 Still badly designed. Oct 07 12:37:54 Ruby wouldn't suffer that problem :P Oct 07 12:37:54 oh, yes, very much so Oct 07 12:37:54 I only have a 1 gb card Oct 07 12:38:00 howso ? Oct 07 12:38:10 I don't remember how ruby handles paths Oct 07 12:38:19 asa I remeber ... you can't add paths to ruby Oct 07 12:38:27 Of course you can Oct 07 12:38:31 RUBYPATH ? Oct 07 12:38:32 $: << '/some/path' Oct 07 12:38:40 Or through an environment variable. Oct 07 12:38:43 right Oct 07 12:38:47 Its been a while Oct 07 12:38:53 I switched to python and never looked back Oct 07 12:39:03 Hmm Oct 07 12:39:07 The point is, Ruby _knows_ where it's site and library directories are. It doesn't get confused with different versions. Oct 07 12:39:25 there is there annoying package called kernel... Oct 07 12:39:26 I'm not sure python gets too confused on any other system than maemo Oct 07 12:39:31 hmm Oct 07 12:39:35 if I remove it I can get lots mroe space Oct 07 12:39:39 Nope Oct 07 12:39:43 I have 2 versions on my system Oct 07 12:39:50 Well those python packagers aren't doing a very good job ;) Oct 07 12:40:19 python works quite nicely on most platforms, even with multiple versions Oct 07 12:40:21 annoying are things that require 2.4 as a dependancy. i cba to hack them onto the device Oct 07 12:40:50 alterego, just like ruby, python also _knows_ where the dirs are Oct 07 12:40:56 so something is broken in the packaging/build process Oct 07 12:41:04 This is why I make Ruby1.8 _provide_ "ruby" so any package some one makes just has to rely on the 'ruby' dependency. Oct 07 12:41:23 can setuptools work in remverse Oct 07 12:41:25 that's how python packages work normally as well. Oct 07 12:41:25 to remove packages Oct 07 12:41:54 Obviously there is a slight possibility that someone could write code that breaks in Ruby1.9/2.0 when it's released and I release the packages. But that's not very likely at all :) Oct 07 12:42:13 * flip^ wanted to play Shinso Sho, but not enough to hack around with manual packages and python b0rkages Oct 07 12:42:18 czr, on the device or in general? Oct 07 12:42:31 alterego, in general. never tried it on the devie. Oct 07 12:42:33 device even. Oct 07 12:42:59 Right, Oct 07 12:43:24 Well, it would seem the python maemo team haven't provided python. So dependency fields are pointing at python2.4 or python2.5 Oct 07 12:43:32 Which is unfortunate. Oct 07 12:43:57 Not sure why that would break lib/site paths if python _knows_ where they are .. Oct 07 12:44:30 well, it _knows_ based on built time configuration. I guess in same way that ruby _knows_. Oct 07 12:44:45 Yes, that's it. Oct 07 12:44:45 obviously it cannot guess just randomly. I doubt ruby does that either. Oct 07 12:44:55 Sure Oct 07 12:53:45 meh. any ideas why xmllint would vaild to load dtd off the net inside SDK? Oct 07 12:53:50 wget gets the same dtd quite nicely. Oct 07 12:54:14 ahh. the site gies 301 Moved Permanently Oct 07 12:54:19 gives even. Oct 07 12:54:21 * czr kicks xmllint Oct 07 12:55:05 neh. still doesn't work. Oct 07 13:00:54 do u gues use scratchbox through vmware/virtual pc or hdd istall of linux Oct 07 13:01:03 guys* Oct 07 13:01:12 install* Oct 07 13:01:14 lol damn Oct 07 13:01:16 depends on whether people use linux as main system or not. I use linux Oct 07 13:01:30 although I have a separate linux running in vmware for this project Oct 07 13:02:20 ok thanks, i just wanted a general consensus, and i hav linux on a laptop but just wondered if people use it in vmware Oct 07 13:02:34 it's a matter of taste Oct 07 13:02:50 I just want the extra isolation in case scratchbox decides to cause problems Oct 07 13:03:15 wat distro do you use? Oct 07 13:03:28 for maemo? feisty/ubuntu right now. Oct 07 13:17:42 * czr kicks himself. Oct 07 13:18:02 Hello Oct 07 13:18:13 all this time I thought the xml/xmllint was borken. turns out the resolv.conf in scratchbox is permanently at 127.0.0.1 and since by af wasn't running, nothing worked that needed dns. Oct 07 13:20:26 Who can help me with this? I am trying to compile a tool under scratchbox for porting it to N800. It is a language translator called "apertium". The main error is that it can't find gcc or alternative compiler. I'm trying to make an "apt-get install gcc" but: Oct 07 13:20:28 [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/apertium/lttoolbox-unicode] > apt-get install gcc Oct 07 13:20:28 /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set Oct 07 13:20:59 Your target is seriously broken :) Oct 07 13:21:00 seems like your sbox is misconfigured. it already includes gcc. Oct 07 13:21:13 :/ Oct 07 13:21:34 I've done it using the HOWTO of the maemo website. :( Oct 07 13:22:20 Thank you very much. Oct 07 13:26:30 first be sure you have gcc Oct 07 13:26:36 gcc -v tells you version info Oct 07 13:26:59 some packages insist on specific gcc versions, so that might be the problem Oct 07 13:31:08 [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > ln -s /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc Oct 07 13:31:15 I think this could help me :) Oct 07 13:33:46 my 'which gcc' points to /scratchbox/compiles/bin/gcc Oct 07 13:34:10 yes. :/ Oct 07 13:34:15 again maybe your package is doing something strange Oct 07 13:34:33 [sbox-SB_Arm2: ~] > ls -l /usr/bin/gcc Oct 07 13:34:34 lrwxrwxrwx 1 minra minra 7 Sep 19 11:47 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.4 Oct 07 13:38:23 Should I reinstall scratchbox? :) Oct 07 13:38:45 does the problem occur compiling other packages>? Oct 07 13:41:18 hi Oct 07 14:08:15 * czr sighs in deep distress Oct 07 14:08:32 I'd paste some code here, but you'll all want to kill yourself if I'd do that (it is, that bad..) Oct 07 14:08:52 no wonder gcc throws up a warning or two Oct 07 14:08:53 no more than 5 mb Oct 07 14:10:21 :D Oct 07 14:13:48 I need an exit plan. Oct 07 14:13:57 * czr considers running away to south-africa. Oct 07 14:17:05 czr, what is the codu you concider anthilopas would like more what we ? Oct 07 14:17:28 uh, what a typos Oct 07 14:17:43 zoran, neh. my exit plan involves diching all code. all computers. everything! (yes, even my pants). Oct 07 14:18:02 the place you go will do that anyway :) Oct 07 14:18:15 I fear this place will do that to me soon too. Oct 07 14:18:40 * czr asks the gps-navigator for the safest route by foot from helsinki to johannesburg Oct 07 14:18:49 while running naked too. Oct 07 14:19:04 Can you ask it for the riskiest too? Oct 07 14:19:14 zerojay, sure Oct 07 14:19:20 you want to exit too? Oct 07 14:19:28 don't forget that the globe rotates Oct 07 14:20:04 zoran, I am not planning to run near at c. Oct 07 14:20:15 although it could be interesting too. Oct 07 14:24:21 re Oct 07 14:24:40 fuckyou Blacksitox Oct 07 14:24:58 !- Blacksitox [n=fuckyou@unaffiliated/blacksito] has joined #maemo Oct 07 14:25:04 just trying to make you feel at home :) Oct 07 14:25:26 fuck xD Oct 07 14:25:33 wait :P Oct 07 14:26:43 that's nicer :) Oct 07 14:26:59 folks, how I got python 2.4 after reflashing 3.2006.49? should be 2.5 Oct 07 14:27:22 Python isn't included in the flash image. Oct 07 14:27:29 yeah Oct 07 14:27:31 download via application repositories Oct 07 14:27:33 I added it myself Oct 07 14:27:35 You most likely installed a program that uses python. Oct 07 14:27:40 nope Oct 07 14:27:43 my own hands Oct 07 14:27:54 from reps Oct 07 14:28:10 pupnik, :) Oct 07 14:29:03 k, gregale has python 2.4 ! Oct 07 14:29:33 * czr wishes all people who ignore gcc warnings would wither away and die a painful death Oct 07 14:29:59 "meh, it's just a warning! how serious could it be! me be the leet uberhaxor! compiler just complain for no reason!" Oct 07 14:30:01 sorry. Oct 07 14:30:28 what it says? Oct 07 14:31:30 it says the codebase I'm working on sucks and is buggy as hell Oct 07 14:31:51 nice langage for gnu animal Oct 07 14:31:58 *language Oct 07 14:32:02 "Warning: You know that you could be enjoying some fresh air and beer right now.. You know that. right?" Oct 07 14:32:08 i see a 2.5 Oct 07 14:32:11 repositories? Oct 07 14:32:12 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 07 14:32:18 yes Oct 07 14:32:21 it is 770 Oct 07 14:32:38 but scirocco and gregale have 2.4 Oct 07 14:32:43 no big deal, too Oct 07 14:32:51 I just put getmail on it Oct 07 14:32:57 "gconf-directory-watch.c:25: warning: comparison between pointer and integer" Oct 07 14:33:03 I wonder what that means.. hmmm. Oct 07 14:33:12 he-he Oct 07 14:33:25 seriously, this is the most serious poop I've seen in a while. Oct 07 14:33:48 ritchie and kernigan book flows around on the net Oct 07 14:34:48 I was being ironic! Oct 07 14:34:54 :) Oct 07 14:35:10 * czr builds a barge from all the floating books Oct 07 14:35:12 I take all literaly Oct 07 14:45:06 k, python asks for module named getpass Oct 07 14:45:19 leelo multipass Oct 07 14:45:30 or was it leeloo. Oct 07 14:50:00 solution came by itself! battery is out Oct 07 14:50:01 If I'm running my OS 2007 off the memory card would it be dumb to install virtual memory on the second partition? Oct 07 14:50:32 another device would be better Oct 07 14:50:47 for hdd surely Oct 07 14:53:48 fine, found module getpass on my local box Oct 07 14:59:46 heh. not only is the code pooped. it leaks memory too. Oct 07 15:09:53 how people on this channel handle security on connections out of home nets? Oct 07 15:10:29 can you be more specific? Oct 07 15:10:52 my 770 has installed iptables Oct 07 15:11:05 but no stateful module Oct 07 15:11:51 my opinion is that firewall blocks connection for no-net option on 770 Oct 07 15:12:29 I played with it some months ago and it works in stateless mode Oct 07 15:12:43 hmm. if I create a new GMainLoop, I should release it with g_main_loop_unref() after use, right? Oct 07 15:12:54 if you find a way to hack itos, let us know Oct 07 15:13:19 pupnik, me or czr? Oct 07 15:13:30 you zoran Oct 07 15:13:41 I see a clear way to do that Oct 07 15:13:53 just I have no spare box to load linux Oct 07 15:14:42 does someone compiled _whole_ kernel for os versions in the past? Oct 07 15:14:58 yes Oct 07 15:15:10 like: "I need this and that and all other goes to modules" Oct 07 15:15:42 those modules sit on someone's hdd; one of them is nat and stateful one Oct 07 15:25:42 any gconf-hackers around? Oct 07 16:01:47 I have some external 3-head usb cable from hdd enclosure; is it suitable for usb-host-mode usage? Oct 07 16:08:48 czr: what about it? Oct 07 16:09:05 zuh, the prototype for value-changed signal callback Oct 07 16:09:27 although I noticed that most code uses notify_add instead, and the prototype for that cb is clear (and documented), but can't find the one for the gobject-signal Oct 07 16:09:50 from GConfClient that is. Oct 07 16:09:59 when waiting for GConf-entries to change. Oct 07 16:13:07 You should really use notify_add, the value_changed from GConfClient tells you that *a* value changed in the database, even those you don't give a rat's ass about Oct 07 16:13:45 And the only way to detect which is apparently strcmp... Oct 07 16:14:45 sure, but I'm following two keys, and both use same allback (I register the callback at the directory just above the keys), so it needs strcmp:s anyway Oct 07 16:15:12 and I've changed the code to use notify_add now since I didn't find the prototype in any documentation, but just was wondering what it should be Oct 07 16:15:35 allback=callback. keyboard must be getting all kinds of cruft inside it lately. Oct 07 16:18:11 But if you strcmp every time the camera is twisted or something else pings stuff in gconf, wouldn't that be a waste of time and potentially a big one? Oct 07 16:18:38 you get notified only for the directories you follow in gconf Oct 07 16:18:55 even with the value-changed mechanism Oct 07 16:19:17 also, when the camera twists, that surely won't cause a gconf event? Oct 07 16:19:27 d-bus signal yes, but gconf? Oct 07 16:23:08 IIRC it's updated there too (it could be the camera pop-out but you get my point) Oct 07 16:23:35 and right, the GConfClient was inherently only watching specific dirs, forgot that. Oct 07 16:23:56 hmm. must be specific to the camera then? seems weird, but I guess there's some reason to store that. Oct 07 16:25:09 Morning, all Oct 07 16:26:16 There's lots of things that get updated to gconf, like the mmc cover state etc. One could of course check with the gconf-editor what there is but I'm lazy enough to not boot and find out ;) Oct 07 16:26:51 zuh, np. reading gconftool dump as we speak. I wasn't aware that gconf was used for other than "ui-settings" or settings in general. Oct 07 16:27:35 heh. nice to see that the device contains config for /desktop/gnome/* as well (referencing epiphany, gnome-help, and friends).. Oct 07 16:32:53 zuh, yup. found the stuff under /system/osso/af/ Oct 07 16:38:46 konttori: ping Oct 07 17:08:32 mudbuilder is fun Oct 07 18:20:10 Atarii: glad you like it, if you've got any suggestions or packages, please feel free to post them to the mailing list Oct 07 18:20:40 kk. do u have to sign up to the mailing list to see previous posts? Oct 07 18:20:52 or have i got the wrong idea? Oct 07 18:21:13 No, the archive should be visible - it's just low traffic. Oct 07 18:21:39 ok Oct 07 18:41:32 hi... I was upgrading my N800 (with an Ubuntu Gutsy). When I power it on i get from the flasher program this message "Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown" Oct 07 18:44:42 I think I saw this message when I tried to flash the 770 image on a N800 by mistake Oct 07 18:45:02 I was really disappointed that it didn't just tell me straight away I had the wrong image Oct 07 18:45:12 mgedmin, perhaps it has something related to usbfs not mounted Oct 07 18:45:14 * Tybor retry Oct 07 18:46:00 nothing changed Oct 07 18:47:44 ah, no, I had a different message: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2007-August/006364.html Oct 07 18:52:13 now i want an apple II again Oct 07 18:52:26 !beep! whrrwhrrwhrrwhrr Oct 07 19:25:06 jaffa:here Oct 07 19:35:37 konttori: was going to talk to you about Java mencoder wrappers. Spent an hour or so this weekend doing a proper OO one, abstracting out lots of code which I think might be beneficial to your MediaConverter given I noticed it's basically a single class doing all the work Oct 07 19:35:58 But Mrs Jaffa needs me right now. Oct 07 19:36:00 BBL. Oct 07 19:36:09 see you. Oct 07 19:36:15 interesting stuff Oct 07 19:36:18 talk to you later Oct 07 20:04:35 "I almost feel pity for those who grew up with modern games. " - Mobygame review of Ultima IV Oct 07 20:19:46 How do I use the jailbreak on the 770? Oct 07 20:19:55 I already have it installed - but what next. Oct 07 20:20:15 Jailbreak? wtf is that? Oct 07 20:23:23 uhhh Oct 07 20:23:26 to be able to get root Oct 07 20:25:35 pauliukas: sudo gainroot Oct 07 20:25:41 thanks Oct 07 20:33:40 mgedmin, i retried and retried, but it seems that Ubuntu feisty does not fit with flasher-3.0 and N800 Oct 07 20:34:21 does anyone know what's the issue that prevent flasher-3.0 on an ubuntu feisty/gutsy to upgrade an N800? Oct 07 20:39:12 wb Atarii Oct 07 20:40:05 Tybor: sorry i can't help. I will file your issue into my bag of hate for Ubuntu though. Oct 07 20:40:59 :) Oct 07 20:41:33 pupnik, 8) it seems that this bug also apply to Knoppix, isn't it? Oct 07 20:49:39 pupnik, mgedmin: I did a really stupid silly error... -f instead of -F before the rom image Oct 07 20:49:49 it works perfectly until now Oct 07 20:54:52 ah good Oct 07 20:55:46 Tybor: yes, the flasher has really horrific error reporting Oct 07 21:08:52 Canon makes some pretty win ccds Oct 07 21:10:01 i prefer the fujis for the low-light performance Oct 07 21:11:11 http://pupnik.de/pupnik_n770_streetlan.jpg is a handheld snap at night Oct 07 21:13:12 I took a picture of a carpet from 3 feet away, no zoom, I saw the fibers Oct 07 21:13:13 all of them Oct 07 21:13:58 I'll be sure to upload to my server and show, cause full 7.1MP shots are too big for photobucket Oct 07 21:14:00 :/ Oct 07 21:14:43 pupnik: is that the future of the homeless? Oct 07 21:14:49 yep Oct 07 21:14:53 lol Oct 07 21:14:56 hmm, kinda cyberpunk :P Oct 07 21:16:57 today the camera popped without me noticing. i was roaming around in ikea Oct 07 21:17:09 needless to say the battery went dead quickly Oct 07 21:17:15 popped? Oct 07 21:17:46 i keep the device in my pants pocket. and i put my hands in my pockets too. so, it's possible Oct 07 21:18:08 popped? Oct 07 21:18:16 like, exploded? Oct 07 21:18:23 yeah. look it up. i gotta sleep. Oct 07 21:18:33 why would a camera explode Oct 07 21:18:51 well, I'm returning this one and playing the extra $50 for the IS model Oct 07 21:18:58 night shots that much better Oct 07 21:19:04 and more crisp shots Oct 07 21:19:09 is is well worth the 50usd extra Oct 07 21:19:14 ;) Oct 07 21:19:21 Canon A570IS Oct 07 21:19:58 i'd prefer sd800 or sd850 Oct 07 21:20:07 I don't mind the size Oct 07 21:20:14 though the a series are much cheaper Oct 07 21:23:16 it works for what I want it to Oct 07 21:23:27 lulz, 5.34MB Oct 07 21:23:32 of carpet Oct 07 21:25:47 MMCplus cards are nice and fast Oct 07 21:38:29 tb0n3.mine.nu:4444/pic.jpg Oct 07 21:38:29 there Oct 07 21:38:32 finally Oct 07 21:38:50 forgot about permisions and restarting apache Oct 07 21:38:51 XD Oct 07 21:40:11 disq Oct 07 22:02:12 ultima 3 for gameboy sources... http://aiera.timeimmortal.net/downloads/u3-gameboysource.zip Oct 07 22:14:54 * esworp is stoked.. his n800 is coming in the mail. Oct 07 22:17:54 how much did you pay? Oct 07 22:18:23 how well are the sharp zaurus' supported btw? Oct 07 22:19:44 i paid 270ish from amazon right when they lowered the price. Oct 07 22:19:50 (tacked on two 2gig sd cards, too) Oct 07 22:21:32 don't know much about the zaurus'.. I'm a (reformed and ex-) palm guy. Oct 07 22:22:44 then you can help with palm emulator testing Oct 07 22:22:46 pose? Oct 07 22:22:58 what's up with monkey forgetting stuff Oct 07 22:25:38 i would love poke at the emulator.. Oct 07 22:25:43 er, l,ove /to/ Oct 07 22:26:21 only a couple of users so far - needs some polishing - unique311 did most of the work after i got it running Oct 07 22:29:33 so, I think I have a bunch of daemons running slowing my 770 down Oct 07 22:29:36 what does I do? Oct 07 22:34:38 kill them with fire Oct 07 22:36:21 is there a linux command to show running processes/cpu usage etc? Oct 07 22:36:34 top Oct 07 22:36:36 top Oct 07 22:36:41 thanks Oct 07 22:36:42 toprats. Oct 07 22:37:05 now i need to load apps on my 770 which will wow my mates 2moz Oct 07 22:37:23 doom is a good choice, people seem impressed with that Oct 07 22:37:49 i think quake is cooler Oct 07 22:38:04 aha havnt tried that Oct 07 22:38:08 descent 2 still needs some tweaks Oct 07 22:38:21 for some reason, when I run airodump I get bad crap in it Oct 07 22:38:29 show em scummvm - that looks great Oct 07 22:38:35 it ends up going on forever with bad mac addresses Oct 07 22:40:06 omg Oct 07 22:40:11 thanx for that Oct 07 22:40:13 top :D Oct 07 22:41:42 think the airodump-ng is a known problem and sumthin to do with the drivers Oct 07 22:42:19 :( Oct 07 22:42:22 wirelesstools Oct 07 22:42:23 lol Oct 07 22:42:27 I wondered what that was Oct 07 22:42:34 and the package was "wirelesstools" Oct 07 22:51:03 man, if I had a dualcore I'd totally be cracking this rar password faster Oct 07 22:51:04 totally Oct 07 22:51:06 ... Oct 07 22:51:58 14,776,336 total passwords at 4 chars 815,500 processed Oct 07 22:52:53 anybody have an ebook on c++ that I can read on my 770? Oct 07 22:58:42 PLEASE PLACE THE TOWNE DISK INTO DRIVE 1 AND PRESS [ESC] Oct 07 23:06:12 YOU ARE NEW TO TEH INTERNETS? [Y/n] Oct 07 23:12:28 the apple II only had caps Oct 07 23:12:43 health? Oct 07 23:16:56 http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/06/norco-ds-520-home-nas-is-probably-more-server-than-you-need/ Oct 07 23:16:58 Thy sacrifice is small. Give of thy lifes blood that others may live. Oct 07 23:17:01 yummy Oct 07 23:29:10 so if im putting quake on my 770 with 2007he do i use the 800 deb or the 770 version? Oct 08 01:13:07 http://www.users.on.net/~triforce/cduke3d/ Oct 08 01:13:13 * pupnik just discovered the The Experimental Windows Duke3D port by Colourless Oct 08 01:13:15 looks like a nice 3d engine for the nokia tablet Oct 08 02:10:03 Yeti3D is a portable software based 3D engine. The aim of this project is to bring high quality 3D rendering to palm devices like the Gameboy Advanced, mobile phones and Palm PC' Oct 08 02:10:58 yeti 3d source (gba) http://torlus.com/yeti3dgpl.zip Oct 08 02:18:49 http://www.storm-studios.net/onethirty8/images/yeti4.JPG yeti pics **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 08 02:59:57 2007