**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 08 02:59:57 2007 Oct 08 03:24:01 btw (for later), is the source code for the tutorials/howtos available to send patches against? Oct 08 03:24:06 (the ones on maemo.org) Oct 08 04:47:01 Hi. Do you know if anyone has gotten gdc (D programming language) working on maemo? Oct 08 04:47:44 ... I was reading on google about this guy named Deformative who was talking about it in this channel... Oct 08 04:47:50 ... irc log. Oct 08 04:49:39 I guess everyone is asleep, or hasn't heard of D before... Oct 08 04:59:42 likebike, does it support armel? Oct 08 05:05:22 likebike: yes someone is looking into it Oct 08 06:26:51 "unable to find the package libschedule and xsettings-client", using Maemo 3.2 Bora on Debian Etch; any suggestions? Oct 08 06:28:03 Hmmmm..... HP is selling "phone companions" Oct 08 06:29:11 http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/pdas/ipaq-110-and-210-apparently-cost-money-307925.php Oct 08 06:39:21 nelson, virtual escort service? Oct 08 06:39:49 hehe, no, I think they've noticed that the N800 is a serious product. Oct 08 06:40:25 or think that there's some money to be made in the segment :-) Oct 08 06:40:33 the more the merrier though. Oct 08 06:40:43 indeed, yes. Oct 08 06:42:05 no linux, bah Oct 08 06:42:26 maybe in 5 years they will have linux ported, like all the other ipaqs Oct 08 06:43:18 yeah, it seems insane that HP inherited the best mobile Linux hardware on the planet, and then set about to kill it. Oct 08 06:44:33 yep. Oct 08 06:45:05 I wonder who designed these... HTC ? Oct 08 06:46:11 HTC has done all of HP's handhelds, AFAIK. Oct 08 06:46:20 I guess the larger problem to HP is is the vested interested in winmod/whatchamacallit Oct 08 06:46:29 and all the 3rd part apps that are avail for ipaqs Oct 08 06:47:53 I thought some other company did some - the 19xx ? Oct 08 06:48:20 the samsung based ones Oct 08 06:48:24 I exaggerate. At least, I know that the iPAQ 3600 was an HTC creation. Oct 08 06:51:21 "unable to find package libschedule and xsetting-client", using Maemo 3.2 Boar on bebian Oct 08 07:00:50 boar, heehee :-) Oct 08 07:00:54 it does feel like boar sometimes. Oct 08 07:01:34 how's dbus going :) Oct 08 07:04:23 Morning, all Oct 08 07:09:55 disq, heh. "ok". Oct 08 07:10:09 the problem isn't in dbus. it's in the pooporific example code Oct 08 07:10:10 morning Oct 08 07:10:11 <_Monkey> aloha Oct 08 07:10:21 morninkz Oct 08 07:44:35 mornin Oct 08 07:44:41 urgh i hate early mornings Oct 08 07:51:12 Atarii: me too Oct 08 08:25:54 sup Oct 08 08:25:56 guys Oct 08 08:25:59 i have a question Oct 08 08:26:10 is anyone on Oct 08 08:26:11 ? Oct 08 08:26:34 good morning Oct 08 08:27:02 hey Oct 08 08:27:04 AD-N770 Oct 08 08:27:06 can i ask something Oct 08 08:27:11 ask Oct 08 08:27:17 how can i send a thumbnail Oct 08 08:27:20 using nokia 6600 Oct 08 08:27:34 no idea Oct 08 08:27:38 how bout n770 Oct 08 08:27:39 ? Oct 08 08:28:46 anyone Oct 08 08:28:49 i need an answer Oct 08 08:28:50 T_T Oct 08 08:28:57 define send Oct 08 08:29:10 i mean Oct 08 08:29:22 you can add a picture to your contacts right? Oct 08 08:29:37 ? Oct 08 08:29:46 for example Oct 08 08:29:52 i have you as my contact Oct 08 08:29:56 then Oct 08 08:29:57 u do? Oct 08 08:30:00 ill add a pic of yours Oct 08 08:30:02 wtf Oct 08 08:30:06 xD Oct 08 08:30:12 how can i send that business card Oct 08 08:30:16 w/ ur pic in in Oct 08 08:30:17 w/ ur pic in it Oct 08 08:30:31 cant u send it by post? Oct 08 08:30:47 ah nvm Oct 08 08:30:52 u cant understand me Oct 08 08:30:53 xd Oct 08 08:31:01 lol Oct 08 08:31:13 no shit =) Oct 08 08:31:44 OK, what's the trick for getting more than 50% of the latest image? Oct 08 08:32:30 I've tried now five times to get RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin from Nokia's servers and it's cutting out at the half-way mark each time, refusing to go on. Oct 08 08:37:31 ttmrichter, got it ok some days back Oct 08 08:37:38 have you tried using wget? Oct 08 08:39:28 I *AM* using wget. Oct 08 08:39:42 It craps out with server errors. Invariably at the 50% mark. Oct 08 08:40:21 When I set it with retries, all the retries time out, too. Oct 08 08:40:37 if you PM me the url I can download it for you and send it to you Oct 08 08:41:04 or at least see if the same thing happens here Oct 08 08:41:10 help /msg Oct 08 08:41:13 help msg Oct 08 08:41:25 Damn! What's the private message syntax again? Oct 08 08:41:33 /msg message here Oct 08 08:43:01 ttmrichter, wget -c too? Oct 08 08:43:16 ttmrichter, if you have a proxy in between, try to bypass that Oct 08 08:43:35 other than that, can't really help (or I could try to redownload the image if that would make you happy :-) Oct 08 08:44:24 No proxies. I'm not using -c on retries. Hadn't thought of that. I assumed that if --retries=inf was set and it choked constantly I'd have the same problem with -c. Oct 08 08:44:55 hmm. good point. Oct 08 08:45:07 tell me how it goes and whether you need me to test too. Oct 08 08:45:22 well downloading with wget didn't work, since it needs you to authenticate it by entering your licence id Oct 08 08:45:27 maybe thats the problem you're having Oct 08 08:45:39 downloading with a browser seems to work fine Oct 08 08:45:59 wlan id I mean, whatever that is Oct 08 08:46:21 Actually I use a combination: the browser -> a wget front-end. Oct 08 08:47:04 well, does the wget front-end have the session cookie from the browser? Oct 08 08:47:32 Yes, that's the whole point of the front-end. It has all the referrer stuff and so on. Oct 08 08:47:48 It's designed so that I don't have to mess with wget's millions of options. : ) Oct 08 08:47:57 So I just finally decided to bust out the 'ol N800 after about two months.. Oct 08 08:48:07 Any cool new apps I should check out or what? Oct 08 08:48:53 try kagu Oct 08 08:49:19 kagu eh Oct 08 08:49:25 * cy- peeps maemo.org Oct 08 08:50:19 woah nice, new os upgrade too! Oct 08 08:50:55 and for my 770 ? Oct 08 08:51:29 Not sure about that heh Oct 08 08:51:52 Hello. Oct 08 08:52:17 has anyone done any screen rotation in n800? Oct 08 08:52:21 Well, this time I made it to 67%. Oct 08 08:52:34 ttmrichter, with -c? Oct 08 08:54:52 Well, when I retry this time, I'll try with the continuation option set. Oct 08 08:55:34 ulpe: nope Oct 08 08:56:45 * ttmrichter sighs. Oct 08 08:56:52 OK, this is really getting on my nerves. Oct 08 08:57:10 Because *IT* has been screwing up the downloads, the server has had my acceptance of download terms expire. Oct 08 08:57:29 So they put a one hour limit on the download, then make sure it takes MORE THAN AN HOUR TO DOWNLOAD! Oct 08 08:57:44 meh Oct 08 08:57:46 Is there a phone number I can call to shout at someone? Oct 08 08:58:00 Because I know it won't do any good, but it'll make me feel a whole lot better than shouting at my computer. Oct 08 08:59:14 shouting at computers is the <3est Oct 08 09:00:05 it should not take that long to download Oct 08 09:01:50 i dunno - i guess try the customer service number - maybe they can patch a message through to see if there are problems on the server side Oct 08 09:02:51 but first check that drive isn't full ;) Oct 08 09:03:35 Any idea if the wireless drivers were fixed in the new release of the OS? Oct 08 09:03:43 (ie, does Kismet work on the n800?) Oct 08 09:04:07 cy-, do tell me when you find out Oct 08 09:04:11 strange thing is, I managed to rotate the full screen application (every single widget on screen actually), but part of the screen doesn't update correctly (320 pixels from right). Also touchpad in the same region starts behaving oddly. Oct 08 09:04:12 The drive has about 200GB free. I'm pretty sure it's not full.... ;) Oct 08 09:04:14 (haven't tried yet) Oct 08 09:04:23 ttmrichter, did you get my privmsg? Oct 08 09:04:48 Would you believe just now I did? ;) Oct 08 09:04:57 czr: I've been in contact with dragorn.. it was still broken in the upgrade with skype and such Oct 08 09:05:13 I'll ask him about it I guess.. Haven't read the release notes for this new release. Oct 08 09:06:14 cy-, ah. ok Oct 08 09:06:35 they claim it only fixes the MMC problem, but people have reported that some other things have also changed. Oct 08 09:07:07 good deal Oct 08 09:48:42 hello there Oct 08 09:49:08 I hear this channel is very helpfull novice like me Oct 08 09:49:16 *for Oct 08 09:49:36 I would like to know how to install firefox in maemo Oct 08 09:50:01 my apt-get is not working Oct 08 09:50:31 it gives the following error Oct 08 09:50:32 Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) Oct 08 09:53:10 hi bansteen r u here!!!! Oct 08 09:53:20 I would like to know how to install firefox in maemo Oct 08 09:54:17 bansteen: what makes you think there is a version of firefox for maemo? Oct 08 09:54:44 u got me wrong Oct 08 09:55:01 how to instal the regular veriosn of firefox inside maemo Oct 08 09:55:33 vegetable guy Oct 08 10:10:48 Lardman !!! are you here?? Oct 08 10:15:46 opy: Yes Oct 08 10:16:03 I need your help Oct 08 10:16:34 bansteen: there needs to be a firefox package compiled and placed in the repo, there may not be, but it actually looks like the problem is someting else - perhaps you need to update the package list Oct 08 10:16:38 opy: go ahead Oct 08 10:16:41 I have the same question as banteen Oct 08 10:16:51 I also want to know it Oct 08 10:17:19 source.list?? Oct 08 10:17:21 how do i add repository list Oct 08 10:17:26 lardman: Oct 08 10:17:43 sources.list is for ubuntu Oct 08 10:17:55 if the repo is already defined (I can't rememeber where - not my forte I'm afraid) then try something like "apt-get update" Oct 08 10:19:21 /etc/apt/sources.list Oct 08 10:19:34 czr: thanks Oct 08 10:19:55 czr: can u pls give the url of the repository Oct 08 10:20:16 no I cannot. I'm not aware whether anyone has packaged firefox for the SDK Oct 08 10:20:33 which is what people already said to you before Oct 08 10:20:36 and the rootstrap should come with the repos pre-defined afaicr Oct 08 10:21:18 you could (in theory) build it yourself using the source packages, but.. it's not for the faint-hearted Oct 08 10:23:26 apt-get update Oct 08 10:23:26 Err ftp://ftp.debian.org sarge/main Packages Oct 08 10:23:26 Could not resolve 'ftp.debian.org' Oct 08 10:23:41 sorry.. Oct 08 10:23:46 I am a novice Oct 08 10:23:52 you are not running within scratchbox..... Oct 08 10:24:04 or maybe he is and his DNS is broken Oct 08 10:24:13 i am running inside scratchbox Oct 08 10:24:38 fix your /etc/nsswitch.conf (should be hosts: dns files) Oct 08 10:25:35 # /etc/nsswitch.conf Oct 08 10:25:35 # Oct 08 10:25:35 # Example configuration of GNU Name Service Switch functionality. Oct 08 10:25:35 # If you have the `glibc-doc-reference' and `info' packages installed, try: Oct 08 10:25:35 # `info libc "Name Service Switch"' for information about this file. Oct 08 10:25:35 passwd: compat Oct 08 10:25:37 group: compat Oct 08 10:25:39 shadow: compat Oct 08 10:25:41 hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 Oct 08 10:25:43 networks: files Oct 08 10:25:44 don't paste here please Oct 08 10:25:45 protocols: db files Oct 08 10:25:47 services: db files Oct 08 10:25:49 ethers: db files Oct 08 10:25:51 rpc: db files Oct 08 10:25:53 netgroup: nis Oct 08 10:25:55 small file Oct 08 10:25:59 :) Oct 08 10:26:02 ~pastebin Oct 08 10:26:02 hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 Oct 08 10:26:03 somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well Oct 08 10:26:14 hosts: files dns Oct 08 10:32:33 "Be not proud of thy little deeds lest ye too fall from the light." - Ghostly, U4 Oct 08 10:32:57 hi pupnik Oct 08 10:33:30 hi lardman Oct 08 10:33:31 <_Monkey> hi lardman are you here!! Oct 08 10:33:49 _Monkey: forget lardman Oct 08 10:33:49 hah Oct 08 10:33:49 <_Monkey> lardman: I forgot lardman Oct 08 10:34:43 fan worship for sorts :D Oct 08 10:34:48 of sorts Oct 08 10:34:57 * lardman should just go back to sleep Oct 08 10:35:13 Hole Up & Camp... Oct 08 10:37:20 I had a dns/network problem couple days ago.. but the problem was actually my d-link router box, not scratchbox/maemo Oct 08 10:46:30 typical Oct 08 10:46:32 d-link Oct 08 10:46:32 :) Oct 08 10:46:54 i'm not saying that they're bad products, just my experience with d-link routers has been unfavourable Oct 08 10:50:25 i had a dlink switch break up on me Oct 08 10:50:38 it lost packets quite.. well. hmm. strangely Oct 08 10:50:46 a-link is even worse Oct 08 10:52:23 back in 93-95 i had figures for return-rates on all major consumer computer hardware Oct 08 10:53:41 dlinks nic's have been ok tho Oct 08 10:55:53 all i can say is that most generalizations "mfgr xyz is crap" are unfounded Oct 08 10:57:06 you've never owned an a-link product? :) Oct 08 10:57:38 yes, i have never Oct 08 10:58:06 well i have seen plenty of them and i've never seen one that actually works like it should Oct 08 10:59:44 well if i were purchasing for a company i'd sure like to have a friend at a major computer distributor like tech-data etc Oct 08 10:59:50 but that is the only brand i'm avoiding at all cost Oct 08 11:00:27 not saying you're incorrect about that Oct 08 11:01:13 back in 94 though i had access to data on a billion dollars of yearly sales :) Oct 08 11:01:50 anyway Oct 08 11:02:20 avoiding specific consumer brands is stupid Oct 08 11:02:31 well usually it's the same to buy some nonbrand as some cheapobrand.. i got a 8 port 100mbit switch that cost like a tenner Oct 08 11:02:34 they all rebadge stuff from same OEM's Oct 08 11:02:46 dlink does more than that Oct 08 11:02:55 at least with nics Oct 08 11:11:47 "Remember, no one is useless in thie world who lightens the burdens of others!" - Dickens, Skara Brae Oct 08 11:13:16 pupnik, noble idea. too bad it doesn't quite work that way. Oct 08 11:21:31 package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386) Oct 08 11:21:40 any help? Oct 08 11:21:53 bansteen, just forget firefox Oct 08 11:21:57 that's a good error message actually Oct 08 11:22:09 [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg -i powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb Oct 08 11:22:13 you are trying to run/install an arm binary on a 386 machine or target Oct 08 11:22:19 oh dear Oct 08 11:22:31 sorry for my .... Oct 08 11:22:45 pls help Oct 08 11:23:01 this is my first day with maemo and scratchbox Oct 08 11:23:23 read all i cud within this short time Oct 08 11:23:24 ok for some reason your SDK_ARMEL seems to be set up as an X86 target Oct 08 11:23:41 i need to set it as ? Oct 08 11:23:53 armel target i386 Oct 08 11:24:30 the armel target should not be set up as an i386 target Oct 08 11:24:39 k Oct 08 11:24:42 it should use the qemu emulator to emulate an arm Oct 08 11:25:01 when you set up armel target, you must use an armel root fs and select cputransparency Oct 08 11:25:17 now i did Oct 08 11:25:26 dpkg -i powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb Oct 08 11:25:26 dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory Oct 08 11:26:00 guys if u help me i'll get good marks in my assignment Oct 08 11:27:23 i think you should create a new armel target and follow instructions precisely Oct 08 11:27:27 don't know how to fix Oct 08 11:27:45 assuming you want to build for the device and not run stuff on your pc...? Oct 08 11:27:47 k Oct 08 11:28:00 good question lardman Oct 08 11:28:06 i want to test inside the pc Oct 08 11:28:12 then to the n800 Oct 08 11:29:07 sb-menu Oct 08 11:29:17 sorry.. Oct 08 11:30:15 whts a rootstrap Oct 08 11:30:50 it's a safety mechanism to hold the root user in place. Oct 08 11:31:01 so you need to target the i386 target first, so you can run things on the PC (though using qemu you can also run ARM command line stuff), then switch to the armel target to compile for the device Oct 08 11:31:02 thnks Oct 08 11:31:05 (not serious!) Oct 08 11:31:09 it was a joke bansteen Oct 08 11:31:21 lol Oct 08 11:31:53 I should have written, using qemu you can run arm command line stuff on the pc when using the armel target Oct 08 11:32:44 i created a new i386 target.. named it bansteen-i386 Oct 08 11:32:59 now it asks to select devkits Oct 08 11:33:23 wht shud i select.. Oct 08 11:34:01 what do the instructions say? i know you should not select cputransp for an i386 target Oct 08 11:34:11 hmm Oct 08 11:34:25 then let me select others except that Oct 08 11:34:34 ok? Oct 08 11:35:11 If one speaks or acts with pure thought, happiness will follow like a shadow that never leaves. Oct 08 11:35:19 then it says Do you wish to extract a rootstrap on the target? Oct 08 11:35:41 if you were reading instructions you wouldn't be asking these questions, would you Oct 08 11:35:48 i did Oct 08 11:35:56 but cudn't Oct 08 11:36:00 sorry guys Oct 08 11:36:07 i am stupid Oct 08 11:36:24 i forgot exactly what to select Oct 08 11:36:42 for an i386 target you install a rootstrap that has i386 in the name Oct 08 11:37:22 it should be a n800 rootstrap - possibly bora Oct 08 11:38:11 k Oct 08 11:40:24 well in my maemo screen there's only a application named maemopad Oct 08 11:43:11 lardman : may i ask you something? Oct 08 11:45:00 lardman are you here?? Oct 08 11:47:25 lardmen:opy is a hot chick Oct 08 11:47:36 lardman:opy is a hot chick Oct 08 11:47:48 opy:hi baby Oct 08 11:48:36 hi bansteen 'nan desu ka' Oct 08 11:48:50 hi babe Oct 08 11:51:10 does opy being a "hot chick" mean I'm more likely to talk to her...? Oct 08 11:51:42 ohh lardman you too Oct 08 11:52:24 lardman are you busy . I need some help Oct 08 11:52:42 ask away Oct 08 11:53:50 oh lardman my problem is solved Oct 08 11:54:00 Heh Oct 08 11:54:02 good good Oct 08 11:54:15 If only all problems were that easy. Oct 08 11:54:16 must be my positive thoughts, or something like that.... Oct 08 11:54:32 Though, that'd make life pretty boring .. Oct 08 11:54:49 lardman:opy is my good friend Oct 08 11:55:02 i like to tease her Oct 08 11:55:14 bansteen: lucky she's a good friend then Oct 08 11:55:14 Thanks bansteen Oct 08 11:55:15 just kidding Oct 08 11:55:54 opy:only friends Oct 08 11:56:02 if, by some amazing chance, your problem comes back, read this document: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt from section 3.2 "Installing maemo 3.1 manually" Oct 08 11:59:01 darn, i thought #maemo was going to have its first cyber Oct 08 11:59:32 Maybe it would, but now you've blown your pervert cover :P Oct 08 11:59:38 afk my ass :P Oct 08 11:59:48 doubt my girlfriend would be too impressed by that Oct 08 11:59:59 Even if you used a proxy? Oct 08 12:00:16 cyber contraception .. Oct 08 12:00:36 lardman : Maemo 2.2 Launcher can start in SDK_PC but not in armel what is the problem ? Oct 08 12:01:15 Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! Oct 08 12:01:15 Sample files present. Oct 08 12:01:15 Starting DBUS system bus Oct 08 12:01:15 Starting D-BUS session bus daemon Oct 08 12:01:15 Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher start failed. Oct 08 12:01:15 Starting Sapwood image server Oct 08 12:01:18 sapwood-server[6948]: GLIB INFO default - server started Oct 08 12:01:19 Starting Matchbox window manager Oct 08 12:01:21 opy: dunno, I never use a x86 target Oct 08 12:01:22 Starting clipboard-manager Oct 08 12:01:22 aaargh Oct 08 12:01:23 Starting Keyboard Oct 08 12:01:24 ~pastebin Oct 08 12:01:25 Starting MAEMO AF Desktop Oct 08 12:01:26 pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well Oct 08 12:01:35 ok Oct 08 12:01:57 I don;t know much about the inner workings of scratchbox, best ask around and see whether anyone else does Oct 08 12:01:57 opy, export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:2 Oct 08 12:02:01 running late - cheers Oct 08 12:02:19 lol Oct 08 12:02:20 hmm. dbus-bind-tool doesn't create anything for signals? Oct 08 12:02:24 opy, if you add that to the end of you ~/.bashrc file you wont have to do it again. Oct 08 12:02:26 binding-tool even Oct 08 12:02:41 ok Oct 08 12:02:44 alterego: that's not the error in that, the hostname isn't needed. It's just a warning. Oct 08 12:02:50 alterego, DISPLAY=:2 is enough btw. Oct 08 12:03:06 not politically correct, but saves typing. Oct 08 12:03:12 yeah Oct 08 12:03:38 opy:mar armel e maemo choltase Oct 08 12:04:37 I have no idea what he just said .. Oct 08 12:04:44 armel maemo cheese? Oct 08 12:05:12 "throw your armel port into the sea of maemo chocolate-related-disease" Oct 08 12:05:14 chocolate? Oct 08 12:05:28 Oh, Oct 08 12:05:30 Right. Oct 08 12:05:36 lol Oct 08 12:05:43 lol Oct 08 12:05:56 lol Oct 08 12:06:02 thats bangla Oct 08 12:06:13 nah. just slightly weird Oct 08 12:06:19 Hahah Oct 08 12:06:42 I'm supposed to be doing something and I can't think what it is. Oct 08 12:06:43 opy:don't they know u r bangali Oct 08 12:06:43 but I understand your feelings perfectly. Oct 08 12:07:00 altergo: it doesnt work "Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher start failed. Oct 08 12:07:00 " Oct 08 12:08:23 meh. there's scarcely any docs on dbus-glib. Oct 08 12:08:31 * czr bangs head against wall. Oct 08 12:08:44 ooh. interesting sounds. need to practice more often. Oct 08 12:09:24 lol Oct 08 12:13:50 any glib/dbus-hackers around? Oct 08 12:14:03 (glib wrappers for dbus, that is) Oct 08 12:20:44 just ask, someone might know even if they are not hackers. Oct 08 12:21:04 "why does dbus-binding-tool not create any code for dbus-signals"? Oct 08 12:21:28 * czr waits for the flood of responses from non-hackers :-) Oct 08 12:26:28 Weird. Oct 08 13:42:42 hmm, I think debugging on my PC (x86 or even ARM in scratchbox) might be more productive than adding dbg()'s everywhere and running things on the DSP Oct 08 13:43:06 s/running/trying to run ;) Oct 08 13:44:18 +/ too! Oct 08 13:44:29 my brain was busy trying to wait for the terminating character.. Oct 08 13:44:35 lardman, what are you doing on the DSP? Oct 08 13:44:45 DSP ftw Oct 08 13:44:46 vorbis Oct 08 13:44:54 oh man, that must hurt :-) Oct 08 13:45:00 lardman, you far in it? Oct 08 13:45:13 I'm using existing code, but just trying to get it all tied together Oct 08 13:45:20 * czr nods Oct 08 13:45:38 yeah, I've written code that I think should do the job (though that's usually just the start of course), now need to test/debug Oct 08 13:45:44 I noticed there were some mails about DSP in the maemo-dev list archives. I did try to find some info ages ago (when 770 came out), but drew blanks. Oct 08 13:46:07 I'll ask you about that stuff later I guess. Nice to see that someone is working on that :-) Oct 08 13:46:12 Well if you want to try again I'm happy to help - I'm Simon Pickering, so at least some of the emails were from me Oct 08 13:46:19 meanwhile /me goes crazy with GLib/D-Bus Oct 08 13:46:23 :) Oct 08 13:46:41 I'd like nothing more than stop what I'm doing and switch brain into DSP, but alas, deadlines. and all :-) Oct 08 13:47:11 yeah, I'm trying to finish a paper, I should also get back to that rather than letting my mind wander to DSP (strange hey?!) Oct 08 13:47:17 How's that going czr? Oct 08 13:47:19 * czr is finally convinced that dbus-binding-tool is complete piece of.. poop. Oct 08 13:47:39 Never heard of it ;) Oct 08 13:47:48 I'm just about to get back into dbus. Oct 08 13:47:49 alterego, funny you to ask. the day started decently (around 6 AM). thought it would be nice to finish all the code examples by noon. and I'm still stuck on one of them. Oct 08 13:47:56 After I've gone to the shops to get some food for dinner. Oct 08 13:48:05 alterego, it's for the GLib-bindings for D-Bus Oct 08 13:48:13 Yes, I'll be dealing with those. Oct 08 13:48:18 Binding them to ruby Oct 08 13:48:24 so that where before you had clean and simple libdbus, now you have GTypes and GObjects and all that ghastly mess Oct 08 13:48:26 Along with the whole of libdbus Oct 08 13:48:54 dbus-binding-tool generates some marshalling codes based on the interface XML Oct 08 13:49:01 s/codes/code/. Oct 08 13:49:25 It's either dbus or bluez. Oct 08 13:49:31 dbluez Oct 08 13:49:39 I think dbus should take priority because I need to get lihosso finised. Oct 08 13:49:42 ~finished Oct 08 13:50:10 * czr still thinks that function prototypes with minimum of 8 parameters and unbounded upper maximum are EVIL. Oct 08 13:50:16 Then I'm gonna have to write a heap of tests :/ Oct 08 13:51:39 But it's all in good fun :) Oct 08 13:51:47 Ruby-maemo 1.0 is almost out the door. Oct 08 13:51:53 sweet Oct 08 13:51:58 s/door/window/! Oct 08 13:51:59 I might hold back for chinook to be released though. Oct 08 13:52:01 Hah Oct 08 13:52:13 no way, let us have it now! Oct 08 13:52:16 :) Oct 08 13:52:53 Okay, I'll do a 0.8 stable release. Oct 08 13:53:08 After all the testing .. Oct 08 13:53:48 Hopefully done in a couple of days. So I'll probably release it friday before I go out :) Oct 08 14:16:15 lol internets Oct 08 14:17:11 meh. done documentin g_signal_new. Oct 08 14:17:17 it's EVIL. Oct 08 14:17:20 :) Oct 08 14:17:28 * czr spray paints EVIL in red paint over all code that uses it. Oct 08 15:26:02 yeah, python 2.4 is good enough to handle rawdog and getmail Oct 08 15:26:37 i'm still bitter that you can't have 2.4 and 2.5 at the same time and that there are things that depend on one or the other Oct 08 15:26:51 hm Oct 08 15:27:15 ypu could have it, since they are just two separate directories Oct 08 15:30:17 i'll need to find a 2.4 package again... which seems oddly absent from anywhere useful atm Oct 08 15:30:37 the developer site suggests having both would be a bad idea, but i couldn't say for sure how much of that is paranoia Oct 08 15:30:40 I have 770 Oct 08 15:31:26 it was just a 5 minutes to find depends Oct 08 15:32:01 and perfect smtp bouncer works on 2.4 Oct 08 15:35:20 any knowledge about manual change of usb-host-mode option? Oct 08 15:35:43 /sys/devices/platform/tahvo-usb/otg_mode Oct 08 15:36:05 my file has peripheral in it Oct 08 15:36:19 should be either host or slave Oct 08 15:39:35 hi Oct 08 15:39:35 <_Monkey> niihau, Blacksitox Oct 08 15:40:55 alterego, 13 hours straight. doing the GLib/D-Bus example. but it's "almost done now". although I've felt like that for the past couple of hours already. Oct 08 15:43:58 Heh Oct 08 15:44:06 The last leg is always the longest ;) Oct 08 15:44:36 tell me about it Oct 08 15:44:46 although all the legs on this beast were quite long. and hairy too. Oct 08 15:44:54 :) Oct 08 15:45:21 28 lines of headers, 64 lines of XML (validated too), 746 lines of C, 77 lines of Makefile Oct 08 15:45:26 and this is _one_ example. Oct 08 15:45:40 :/ Oct 08 15:45:43 removing comments would probably drop all of the above to 1/3. Oct 08 15:46:02 but it's pretty complicated stuff, hence a lot of comments. Oct 08 15:46:40 Right Oct 08 15:47:40 covers creating a proper GType/GObject, wrapping that around the GLib/D-Bus wrappers, using the crappy dbus-bindings-tool, and publishing methods and signals on the D-Bus (and includes also a simple client program) Oct 08 15:47:58 ah yes. and dtd validation too. thrown in as a bonus. Oct 08 15:48:05 not that it's a lot of use, but still. Oct 08 15:49:22 :) Oct 08 16:26:24 someone could say how behaves minimo on gregale? what is memory diff to built-in opera? Oct 08 16:49:02 folks, what is the newest minimo version, working on 3.2006.49-2? Oct 08 16:54:19 same platform, different worlds Oct 08 18:29:39 Playing MPEG stream from Jaffa - Bklyn Bobbi.mp3 Oct 08 20:35:57 anyone got a vmware image with scratchbox installed? Oct 08 20:41:12 nope. is there a chinook version already? Oct 08 20:43:37 there's the beta sdk Oct 08 20:45:05 Guys, has anyobe had any luck with USB Host mode on the N800? After two days I am nearing the point of desparation. Oct 08 20:54:41 aha! I found the issue with thumbpresses on 2007HE Oct 08 20:58:09 they don't show up as button-one clicks Oct 08 20:58:14 (at least, not to SDL) Oct 08 21:22:05 does anyone here know if N800 works with USB in host mode? And if so, what it takes to do so? Oct 08 21:22:45 Guys, has anyobe had any luck with USB Host mode on the N800? After two days I am nearing the point of desparation. Oct 08 21:22:45 * gopi has quit () Oct 08 21:22:52 around half an hour ago :) Oct 08 21:23:13 :) Oct 08 21:23:15 no answer? Oct 08 21:23:19 :( Oct 08 21:23:22 jamey: search for tony lindgren's mails in the maemo-devel archive Oct 08 21:23:30 thanks Oct 08 21:48:31 why does moving my stylus on my 770 screen cause distortion on the screen Oct 08 21:48:36 as in, a wave of white Oct 08 21:51:02 Because the LCD layer isn't 100% rigid. Oct 08 21:53:21 can it be damaged by pressing too hard? Oct 08 21:54:17 you shouldnt need to press, just touch Oct 08 21:57:26 MoridinBG, did you try Tony Lindgren's patches? Oct 08 21:57:41 http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ Oct 08 21:58:16 yes Oct 08 21:58:25 patched with all of them Oct 08 21:58:40 compiled (kernel configured as needed), flashed with no problems Oct 08 21:58:49 but then the USB is completely silent Oct 08 21:59:06 I put it in host mode (echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode) Oct 08 21:59:22 if i do it again it is doesn't say anything in dmsg Oct 08 21:59:32 the usb cable is mini-a type(modded) Oct 08 21:59:57 I measured D+ and D-, where should be 3V, but there arent Oct 08 22:00:05 neither %v between GND and Vid Oct 08 22:00:56 a friend of mine said it could be the female-to-female usb adaptor I am using to connect standard USB devices Oct 08 22:01:47 (WTF, USB network recovery in lates initfs_flasher? Oct 08 22:02:13 mplayer stopped working Oct 08 22:02:14 :( Oct 08 22:02:33 every once in a while i still get shocked by how cool the 770 is Oct 08 22:02:57 i like how slim it is too - makes it more unreal Oct 08 22:03:32 Hole up & camp! Oct 08 22:03:37 Resting... Oct 08 22:25:19 something I never really learned is drivers in linux Oct 08 22:25:34 how are devices recognized and how would you go about installing drivers for such things Oct 08 22:26:31 You compile the kernel module.. either built-in or as a module. Oct 08 22:26:38 The kernel itself will figure out the rest. Oct 08 22:26:52 well, like a usb joystick, how would I go about installing that Oct 08 22:26:53 If it's a module, it will load the module into the running kernel when it's first called. Oct 08 22:27:03 Compile it into the kernel. Oct 08 22:27:20 When you plug in your USB joystick after that, it will be recognized. Oct 08 22:27:46 well, I'm just not sure how to do that, any place to see that? Oct 08 22:28:01 You don't know much about Linux, right? Oct 08 22:28:12 I know enough to use it Oct 08 22:28:29 Meaning you're comfortable on the command line? Oct 08 22:28:52 I've taught myself debian and how to start/stop daemons change conf files and /etc/, etc Oct 08 22:28:57 yeah, cli Oct 08 22:29:06 ..oh boy. Oct 08 22:29:16 Kernel compilation's generally an advanced topic. Oct 08 22:29:24 required reading? Oct 08 22:29:26 You could find plenty of tutorials for it out there. Oct 08 22:29:31 Yeah, definitely. Oct 08 22:29:47 well, what I mean is where do I find the required reading, or what it it Oct 08 22:29:51 And after you are done, you'll have to flash the new kernel to your Nokia. Oct 08 22:30:02 If you don't do it right, you could maybe brick. Oct 08 22:30:08 I actually have 770's 2007he Oct 08 22:30:14 >_> Oct 08 22:31:18 I've been compiling kernels for seven years or so... however, I don't know what the 770's required options/modules would be.. so... Oct 08 22:31:27 for some reason, somebody from idaho keeps calling here Oct 08 22:31:28 Unless you find someone that knows, I wouldn't try. Oct 08 22:31:57 zerojay: shouldn't that be in the source deb? Oct 08 22:32:16 I don't know. I haven't looked. I'm not sure if there's a default .config file included or not. Oct 08 22:32:33 Or if there is one, if it has the required options or not. Oct 08 22:33:15 just a thought, I don't know either. People have compiled the kernels successfully though, so it may be in there (or they did lots of guessing!) Oct 08 22:33:37 "Fuck it, compile everything as a module!" Oct 08 22:34:23 except schedulers...? Oct 08 22:34:23 Speaking of compiling kernels... Oct 08 22:34:39 Well, the schedulers can be switched in and out last I checked. Oct 08 22:35:02 ah, I thought they were not to be pluggable Oct 08 22:35:15 Oh, maybe not... I do remember an effort was underway to do that at some point. Oct 08 22:35:32 * lardman was just browing slashdot and saw an article Oct 08 22:35:59 I'm too lazy to wade through KernelTrap. Oct 08 22:36:09 Eh.. maybe not. Oct 08 22:36:12 anyway, not really all that relevant Oct 08 22:40:37 Wow, there are still people using XMMS? Oct 08 22:41:41 on the Zaurus? Oct 08 22:41:45 No. Oct 08 22:41:48 At *all*. Oct 08 22:41:53 :) Oct 08 22:42:11 it did actually work on the Zaurus, which was a major positive, despite the age Oct 08 22:43:01 I'd be far too worried about the unpatched security holes. Oct 08 22:43:53 yeah, but back in those days a CF card was the only way to do wifi and sd cards had very little capacity (and were slow) Oct 08 22:44:24 so no music when connected Oct 08 22:47:13 hmm, I want to use a define to change something like this: dbg("%d", some_value) into this: printf("%d\n", some_value). How easy hard is that? Oct 08 22:47:55 I suppose it could turn into two printf()'s, the second containing only the newline Oct 08 22:57:58 Im looking for a good linux distro to install scratchbox on, should I just go with Debian? Oct 08 22:58:07 FC5 is being tricky,. Oct 08 22:58:17 ubuntu works for me Oct 08 22:59:22 what version? Latest? Oct 08 22:59:37 I think latest is 'feisty fawn' Oct 08 22:59:53 version 7.04 if I remember correctly Oct 08 23:00:36 To uTorrent! Oct 08 23:02:11 night all Oct 08 23:11:01 <|R> uhm, anyone played with rtcomm / asterisk? I'm able to make calls but it doesn't ring when i'm called... (while the other phones including a soft phones on a laptop all ring...) Oct 08 23:59:19 any place other than torrents to get ebooks? Oct 08 23:59:20 :( Oct 08 23:59:34 linux ebook would be the win for the thin Oct 08 23:59:36 770 Oct 08 23:59:37 .. Oct 09 00:02:47 ebooks see www.baen.com - they have a free library and also sell DRM free ebooks. ebookreader handles the palm format well. Oct 09 00:06:54 quick question... does the n800 support any kind of screen rotation? Oct 09 00:06:58 * esworp is a lefty. Oct 09 00:07:10 No. Oct 09 00:07:22 I can live with that. Oct 09 00:07:50 mind a few more newb-oid questions about the device? Oct 09 00:08:18 That's what we're here for. Oct 09 00:08:31 cool... I always ask before I make a pain of myself. (0_o) Oct 09 00:08:51 how theme-able is the build of debian used? Oct 09 00:09:29 You realize that it's not just straight plain Debian running, right? Oct 09 00:09:40 nope, i didn't Oct 09 00:09:52 nor do I know much about debian in general. :] Oct 09 00:10:10 It's basically a customized environment on top of a Debian core. Oct 09 00:10:16 You can make themes for it. Oct 09 00:11:05 alright. I've been thinking about trying my hand at that... I always liked the graph-paper re-do of the older mac os. Oct 09 00:11:29 might be a fun one. ... might mangle the device. Oct 09 00:12:13 speaking of mangling.. how possible is it to effectively "brick" the n800? (ala those poor iphone users) Oct 09 00:12:36 Generally, low. Oct 09 00:12:49 The worst you might have to do is reflash. Oct 09 00:13:24 is a reflash much of a PITA on a macosx host machine? Oct 09 00:13:53 Couldn't tell you, but from what I've heard, no. Oct 09 00:18:08 one of the pet project I'd like to look into for it is to work as a MIDI controller for some fiddling around I do with keyboards... Oct 09 00:20:34 is it possible to brick the device badly enough that reflashing is no longer possible? I'd like to know what are the safe limits :) Oct 09 00:54:28 I've only ever reflashed on OS X. Oct 09 01:02:02 <|R> esworp : i feel your pain (lefty too ;) Oct 09 01:07:07 heh Oct 09 01:07:10 thanks IR Oct 09 01:07:16 <|R> :) Oct 09 01:07:32 <|R> thinking about getting an n800? Oct 09 01:07:42 I'm SO hating my lifedrive... tomorrow I get to smash the thing, as my n800 should be here in the mail. Oct 09 01:07:58 <|R> oh, so already got (almost ;) Oct 09 01:08:02 yeah. Oct 09 01:08:15 I'm just sick of getting burned by the Palm device.. I really hate it. Oct 09 01:08:35 and i don't need a smartphone, and the ipod touch doesn't have a calendar app. Oct 09 01:09:06 <|R> burned? what do you mean? :) Oct 09 01:09:21 the os is so damn flaky Oct 09 01:09:25 <|R> ah ok Oct 09 01:09:56 <|R> haven't really tried out a Palm since the old Palm III :P Oct 09 01:10:00 seems like I get it all dialed in, and then the hd will nuke itsself. Oct 09 01:10:08 i liked my p3 Oct 09 01:10:31 seems like the 'zen' of the devices have faltered.. seems like so much of it was a band-aid Oct 09 01:11:02 <|R> i don't know how the OS evolved... but from what i can remember from the P III it was like running Mac OS 6.0 Oct 09 01:11:24 yeah, but it worked fine back then.. something snappy to get an appointment in or whatever Oct 09 01:11:40 but the os never really evolved like it should have Oct 09 01:11:47 <|R> the only horrible thing was loosing everything if you lost your batteries :P Oct 09 01:11:55 well, that is fixed nowadays. Oct 09 01:11:59 <|R> ok :) Oct 09 01:12:14 the only time you loose your data is when the OS decides to hate you. Oct 09 01:12:26 which happened (no lie) to me twenty minutes ago. Oct 09 01:12:32 again. Oct 09 01:12:37 * esworp hates his palm. Oct 09 01:12:41 <|R> :( Oct 09 01:13:10 for a while, folks were working on a linux os replacement, but it stalled. Oct 09 01:13:31 <|R> how about OpenMoko ? is it ported ? Oct 09 01:13:57 i think the OS they were working on was Opie Oct 09 01:14:18 but it wa too much for the system, it seemed.. and no realy power management support/wifi/lots of other stuff Oct 09 01:14:35 <|R> I only just got my n800 last week ... after realising i could have a pocket pseudo-debian :] Oct 09 01:14:59 <|R> So what are you looking for in the n800? Oct 09 01:15:05 my interest is in the angle of a turbo-pda. Oct 09 01:15:31 <|R> ok :) Oct 09 01:15:40 i was able to rely solely on a lifedrive during college as opposed to a laptop.. so i think a n800 will give me plenty of room to stretch. Oct 09 01:15:50 hopefully GPE PIM will get the job done.. Oct 09 01:16:07 all I'd need besides that is something that can open/edit word docs. Oct 09 01:16:15 and I'll be happy. Oct 09 01:17:28 <|R> uhm, open maybe, edit i don't know Oct 09 01:17:42 yeah, well.. I can live with a convert n edit.. Oct 09 01:17:44 <|R> Are you getting a bluetooth keyboard? Oct 09 01:17:48 fer sure. Oct 09 01:17:54 <|R> which one? Oct 09 01:18:03 dunno yet. Oct 09 01:18:38 I've been pretty good with HWR systems for a while now.. and just need to take simple notes during meetings/etc. Oct 09 01:18:53 so I'm not going to shop for a keyboard untill I'm fed up with the HWR Oct 09 01:19:06 <|R> I got the stowaway ultra-slim, it's nice if you don't think you need a number row / F keys and can do with Fn for numbers :) Oct 09 01:19:45 <|R> they also have a somewhat bigger version with those... Oct 09 01:20:04 supposedly it 'learns'.. it this true? or are you stuck just trying to mimic what the HWR engine wnats? Oct 09 01:20:36 i use that kind of keyboard with my pda presently... I would rather have something with nubmer keys. Oct 09 01:20:48 <|R> it can record new patterns, though i've only tried once earlier today and it wouldn't accept the normal way i write my "a" (in 2 strokes, i have to raise the pen, and it doesn't like that :P) Oct 09 01:21:03 <|R> and it seems to recognize letter quite well anyway... Oct 09 01:21:08 <|R> but only toyed with it 1 minute or so Oct 09 01:21:14 right... betcha I'll be able to teach it Grafitti.. that'll learn ya! Oct 09 01:21:21 <|R> haha that would be good ;) Oct 09 01:21:35 <|R> i forgot my Graffiti, i should relearn it and do the same Oct 09 01:21:41 wonder if someone would come and sue me like they did palm for it after the n800 learned it from me. Oct 09 01:21:52 <|R> haha Oct 09 01:22:33 <|R> i hope to get VoIP going now... i've been setting my asterisk to connect to it. It worked for outdial but i don't see anything when i get called, wondering why. . . Oct 09 01:22:56 <|R> Would be useful to get my call from home when i'm somewhere else :) Oct 09 01:22:58 i dont htink I'll use the voip much. there isn't enough wifi saturation in my usual digs for that. Oct 09 01:23:08 and I dont use a home phone. Oct 09 01:23:30 <|R> home phone being the old PSTN? Oct 09 01:25:02 PTSN? Oct 09 01:25:05 * esworp is dumbtarded Oct 09 01:25:15 <|R> hehe sorry Oct 09 01:25:22 <|R> plain simple telephone network Oct 09 01:25:26 oh. Oct 09 01:25:29 not even that.. Oct 09 01:25:31 <|R> Pierre: all the Bell company bringing copper etc ;) Oct 09 01:25:34 <|R> err Oct 09 01:25:38 I just use my celly. Oct 09 01:25:38 <|R> Pierre was ie: :P Oct 09 01:25:42 <|R> (damn irc client ;) Oct 09 01:25:51 I get one from work, and dont really use my personal much. Oct 09 01:25:55 <|R> ok :) Oct 09 01:26:09 but the video phone thingy looks pretty swank. Oct 09 01:26:15 bummer it only works with google talk. Oct 09 01:26:17 <|R> I've transfered my home number to a VoIP provider so it's pretty cheap to keep a "line" at home over my network connection Oct 09 01:26:24 <|R> (7$ / month) Oct 09 01:26:35 <|R> or even less depending on how much i talk :) Oct 09 01:26:35 that /is/ cheapo Oct 09 01:26:51 <|R> 2.5$/month + 1.1c / min Oct 09 01:26:54 <|R> it's quite cheap :) Oct 09 01:27:39 <|R> that's why i'd like to get VoIP going so i can use my VoIP provider to call from anywhere i can get wifi to land lines / cells for cheap :) Oct 09 01:27:58 <|R> well that and receive call which isn't working at the moment ;) Oct 09 01:31:21 I've got a /ton/ of video media I would like to walk around with on my n800 (not pron, honest!).. what's the most compatible codec/settings for n800 happiness? Oct 09 01:31:54 <|R> uhm, not too sure, haven't played with that yet... but i guess something at 400x240 in divx would do... Oct 09 01:32:07 <|R> you can get mplayer on it too Oct 09 01:32:14 <|R> so you have two different codec sets to try :) Oct 09 01:49:07 <|R> is there a paint program for IT2007? Oct 09 02:01:44 I was gonna say gimp lol. how about sketch? Oct 09 02:03:00 I'm thinkin about installing gentoo Oct 09 02:03:05 is that a mistake? Oct 09 02:04:14 mplayer canola and media player aren't playing my xvid files Oct 09 02:04:15 T_T Oct 09 02:04:22 <|R> i wouldn't do that unless you like long nights of compilations for no real gain... Oct 09 02:04:49 <|R> (and want to learn how a system works a bit more, but for that i'd recommend doing a linux from scratch project, much more educational ;) Oct 09 02:05:02 * |R ducks and covers if any gentoo users read his comments :P Oct 09 02:05:34 you can pull apart any working system and learn a lot about how its put together, without compiling everything... I've never really bought that argument Oct 09 02:05:45 it was recommended from me by the guy who introduced me to linux and compiled our server kernel Oct 09 02:05:45 <|R> hehe same here Oct 09 02:06:04 I know how this stuff works and I've never done LFS stuff or gentoo Oct 09 02:06:36 <|R> Robot101: same her Oct 09 02:06:38 <|R> e Oct 09 02:06:59 <|R> But i've been on linux since before 1996... Oct 09 02:07:01 I hear it's bleeding edge Oct 09 02:07:05 <|R> And other Unix before so whatever :) Oct 09 02:07:48 <|R> (but then i was pretty young and used my parent's accounts :P) Oct 09 02:08:38 * |R trying to find sketch's package... Oct 09 02:09:10 * |R wonders why the SD cards are mounted no-exec :/ Oct 09 02:09:40 vfat can end up marking everything as executable Oct 09 02:10:17 <|R> that's a reason or a solution? :) Oct 09 02:10:47 a reason Oct 09 02:11:02 <|R> how is that a problem? Oct 09 02:11:27 most files on the vfat partition aren't actually executable, so running them is a bad plan Oct 09 02:12:01 <|R> uh ok, but you don't just go around trying to execute pictures? Oct 09 02:15:32 so, I noticed somebody further up asked if you can totalbrick your 770 so it's not even flashable Oct 09 02:15:35 so can you? Oct 09 02:16:14 yay, gmail is working Oct 09 02:16:18 <|R> Probably not... Oct 09 02:17:22 awsome Oct 09 02:17:34 so I can fux up my 770 as much as I want and always get it back? Oct 09 02:17:41 Tb0n3: if you lose power during flashing the bootloader, yes Oct 09 02:17:46 but that's a very short period of time Oct 09 02:17:49 :) Oct 09 02:18:02 I'll totally fuck with it a lot Oct 09 02:18:04 :) Oct 09 02:18:17 unless you're trying to replace the bootloader or something, anything you do from the kernel up won't brick it Oct 09 02:18:32 and even then, nokia service points or anyone with a jig can recover it even if the bootloader is mangled Oct 09 02:18:32 <|R> Robot101 : so the flash mode while clicking a key and booting isn't built-in somewhere? :( Oct 09 02:19:15 |R: built in where? it has no rom, just flash Oct 09 02:19:18 --> flight Oct 09 02:19:40 a jig? Oct 09 02:20:43 <|R> damn Oct 09 02:20:47 kinda like the psp jig kick? Oct 09 02:20:58 <|R> i thought it would have a "bios" or something for the flash part Oct 09 02:22:07 I'm thinking I'm going to back up my data on this laptop then go the way of gentoo Oct 09 02:22:42 wish I knew of a backup utility Oct 09 02:25:42 the sony psp is a great open device Oct 09 02:25:56 lulz, dispite sony's best efforts Oct 09 02:26:38 I would lose so much crap if my 500GB maxtor failed Oct 09 02:26:41 external **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 09 02:59:56 2007