**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 09 02:59:56 2007
Oct 09 03:07:20 <Tb0n3> is there a way to install the n770 mplayer on the os2007he because the n800 one doesn't seem to work at all
Oct 09 03:18:54 <|R> uhm, it works here...
Oct 09 03:19:08 <|R> xmame/fceu on the other away is acting very strangely :P
Oct 09 03:19:53 <|R> mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.18.n800 here
Oct 09 03:21:57 <Tb0n3> hmm, for some reason it won't open the new window to play the video
Oct 09 03:22:22 <Tb0n3> I've uninstalled and reinstalled, but ah, forgot about apt-get remove mplayer --purge
Oct 09 03:22:27 <Tb0n3> or is --purge somewhere else
Oct 09 03:25:34 <|R> dpkg --purge
Oct 09 03:25:45 <Tb0n3> it worked anyhow
Oct 09 03:26:14 <|R> uhm, fceu is really strange, when i click on a button (A/B/select/start) it stretches the screen while i click..
Oct 09 03:26:17 <|R> really annoying
Oct 09 03:29:01 <Tb0n3> what's the dpkg reconfigure command?
Oct 09 03:29:14 <Tb0n3> I thought I remembered dpkg reconfigure -a
Oct 09 03:34:43 <Tb0n3> dpkg --configure -a
Oct 09 03:34:44 <Tb0n3> ...
Oct 09 03:36:17 <|R> usually there is a dpkg-reconfigure
Oct 09 03:36:21 <|R> but not on the n800 uhm..
Oct 09 03:36:42 <|R> nothing in --help ?
Oct 09 03:36:59 <Tb0n3> I said the one that it told me to do
Oct 09 03:37:01 <Tb0n3> lol
Oct 09 03:37:07 <Tb0n3> dpkg --configure -a
Oct 09 03:37:14 <|R> hehe ok :)
Oct 09 03:37:50 <Tb0n3> and it appears that things installed in apt-get don't get icons
Oct 09 03:37:56 <Tb0n3> so I don't think they'll work
Oct 09 03:38:02 <Tb0n3> you can't start uis from cli
Oct 09 03:38:41 <|R> urhm...
Oct 09 03:39:04 <Tb0n3> what, you can?
Oct 09 03:39:26 <|R> well, when i apt-get something, sometimes it pauses and ... i figure after a while that it's asking on the screen where to put the icon
Oct 09 03:39:34 <|R> so i don't think it's related (it shouldn't be...)
Oct 09 03:40:22 <Tb0n3> it's pawsing
Oct 09 03:52:07 <Tb0n3> well, it wants me to reinstall it before purging it, but I can't install it because it's not in the application manager for instalation and can't instal from apt-get
Oct 09 03:52:09 <Tb0n3> install*
Oct 09 04:20:17 <|R> mplayer still?
Oct 09 04:20:27 <imBen> task
Oct 09 04:20:28 <imBen> er
Oct 09 04:21:41 <czr> mornink.
Oct 09 05:41:49 <|R> anyone know where pidgin stores it's config? mine keeps crashing right after the first screen loads after i configured and toyed a bit with it ...
Oct 09 05:41:52 <czr> meh. finally done with this code.
Oct 09 06:53:46 <|R> how do you install tar, bash etc, without having a REMOVE warning for a 100 package... argh
Oct 09 07:06:25 <Esben> What is the status of the maemo images that I can build with OpenEmbedded compared to Nokia's maemo images?
Oct 09 07:06:45 <Esben> Are they exactly the same, some features missing, completely different?
Oct 09 07:29:35 <chris00_297244> see my ex-girlfriend naked on:  www.nackte-ex.de.gg   <-my revenge
Oct 09 07:32:16 <ulpe> got to see that ;)
Oct 09 07:32:30 <|R> haha
Oct 09 07:32:50 <_pcfe_> oh FFS now we also get spam on FreeNode
Oct 09 07:34:49 <ulpe> reminds me of this quote: http://www.bash.org/?7444
Oct 09 07:35:03 <czr> _pcfe_, now? :-)
Oct 09 07:35:19 <czr> they're not very frequent, but surely they visited this channel before too?
Oct 09 07:35:27 <_pcfe_> rofl
Oct 09 07:36:21 <_pcfe_> czr: it was the first I saw in #maemo, then again mostly I only see stuff that triggers a notification and this surely dont. Just had the window in front of me by chace
Oct 09 07:36:52 <czr> _pcfe_, what, naked doesn't high-light for you? :-)
Oct 09 07:47:11 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 09 07:48:28 <czr> mornigs jaffa
Oct 09 07:49:16 <solmumaha> morning
Oct 09 07:49:16 <_Monkey> aloha
Oct 09 08:42:33 <felipec> /opt/scratchbox/tools/bin/dialog: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ld.so: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory
Oct 09 08:43:29 <felipec> that's with chinook
Oct 09 09:04:06 <opy> good morning (~ugt)
Oct 09 09:04:18 <opy> pupnik r u here ??
Oct 09 09:20:40 <sujan> Hi
Oct 09 09:21:21 <sujan> pupnik: R U there?
Oct 09 09:22:26 <pupnik> ya
Oct 09 09:23:27 <sujan> yesterday we talked about building packages with dependencies
Oct 09 09:24:38 <sujan> now , how can i add sqlite or hildon-fmmm with my packages?
Oct 09 09:24:46 <sujan> Can you help me please?
Oct 09 09:26:26 <pupnik> i don't know but i'm curious to find out so i am googling
Oct 09 09:26:45 <sujan> Oh....
Oct 09 09:27:17 <sujan> share with me...If you can find any thing...... I am also looking for
Oct 09 09:27:26 <AD-N770> good morning
Oct 09 09:38:01 <pupnik_> AD-N770: did you ever look at gtk angband and/or tome?
Oct 09 09:39:17 <AD-N770> pupnik_: no, currently very busy with other aspects of my life
Oct 09 09:39:57 <AD-N770> gaming is at the bottom of the list, apart some darts in a pub on friday night :)
Oct 09 09:39:58 <pupnik_> yes - i just noticed angband and tome are very similar in their main sections
Oct 09 09:40:17 <pupnik_> but iirc nethack is a very different code tree
Oct 09 09:40:33 <pupnik_> hope the family is doing well :)
Oct 09 09:41:47 <AD-N770> yes, just a bit nervious waiting to know if will be boy or girl, and I have to paint a room, and I would like to draw a mural on the walls
Oct 09 09:42:53 <AD-N770> so immersed in creativity limited by the time available after work
Oct 09 09:43:20 <AD-N770> and pushing other projects to the bottom of the big ToDo list
Oct 09 09:45:22 <pupnik_> sure
Oct 09 09:45:31 <pupnik_> wb lardman
Oct 09 09:45:43 <lardman> hi pupnik_
Oct 09 09:58:43 <ulpe> hey! Are there any source code available for games supplied with N800 (Blocks, particulary)?
Oct 09 10:11:54 <jani> afaik, it is opensource and sourcedeb can be downloaded from apt repository ?
Oct 09 10:12:50 <ulpe> k, I found the sources
Oct 09 10:14:55 <jani> if i may ask, for what do you need'em ?
Oct 09 10:19:59 <ulpe> I'm trying to figure out how to best rotate the whole display to be in portrait mode
Oct 09 10:20:27 <ulpe> but I realized blocks uses SDL
Oct 09 10:20:34 <jani> yep, it does.
Oct 09 10:20:54 <jani> and its not really rotated,  it just switches the coords around
Oct 09 10:21:43 <ulpe> currently I'm messing around with XRandR library...
Oct 09 10:24:48 <jani> jahcure kiertue peruttu briteissä
Oct 09 10:25:50 <disq> anybody got the n95 remote? i'd like to test and see if the extra keys are recognized by the n800
Oct 09 10:33:41 <jani> wrong chan duh.
Oct 09 10:34:25 <bansteen> hi everyone
Oct 09 10:34:50 <bansteen> can i install armel.deb packages inside scratchbox
Oct 09 10:35:41 <Veggen> Sure. In the arm target :)
Oct 09 10:35:42 <AD-N770> bansteen: fakeroot dpkg -i package.deb
Oct 09 10:36:39 <bansteen> sbox-SDK_ARMEL:
Oct 09 10:36:41 <bansteen> here?
Oct 09 10:36:42 <_Monkey> here is why I cant get canola working
Oct 09 10:37:21 <Veggen> bansteen: yes. But did you fix it since yesterday? ;)
Oct 09 10:37:50 <bansteen> ya
Oct 09 10:37:58 <bansteen> i ran apt-get update
Oct 09 10:38:09 <opy> hi bansteen!!
Oct 09 10:38:15 <bansteen> when i try to install deb package it shows this error
Oct 09 10:38:17 <bansteen> dpkg: error processing powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb (--install):
Oct 09 10:38:17 <bansteen>  package architecture (armel) does not match system (arm)
Oct 09 10:38:17 <bansteen> Errors were encountered while processing:
Oct 09 10:38:18 <bansteen>  powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb
Oct 09 10:38:33 <bansteen> opy: hi jan
Oct 09 10:38:38 <opy> good morning lardman(~ugt)
Oct 09 10:38:52 <bansteen> opy: congratulations
Oct 09 10:39:02 <Veggen> bansteen: hmm...looks like you have made an arm and not an armel target? ;)
Oct 09 10:39:05 <bansteen> opy: what abt my gift
Oct 09 10:39:11 <opy> thank you!!!!!!!!!
Oct 09 10:39:27 <bansteen> whts the diff. bet arm and armel target
Oct 09 10:39:44 <Veggen> two different hardware architectures.
Oct 09 10:40:08 <bansteen> can u  plssss help me on this
Oct 09 10:40:26 <AD-N770> bansteen: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
Oct 09 10:40:37 <AD-N770> is a software difference
Oct 09 10:40:49 <AD-N770> different ABI convention
Oct 09 10:41:00 <bansteen> so if i want to install powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb
Oct 09 10:41:06 <bansteen> wht shud i do
Oct 09 10:41:14 * czr peeks
Oct 09 10:41:44 <Veggen> bansteen: Make an armel target ;)
Oct 09 10:42:08 <bansteen> from sb-menu?
Oct 09 10:42:26 <AD-N770> bansteen: last time I've installed following: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351
Oct 09 10:42:29 <lardman> _Monkey: forget here
Oct 09 10:42:30 <_Monkey> lardman: I forgot here
Oct 09 10:42:47 <Veggen> well, long since I did it. But follow the documentation *exactly*.
Oct 09 10:43:12 <lardman> morning opy
Oct 09 10:43:31 <pupnik_> 1 Dollar = 0.70 euro, 1.41 dollar = 1 euro
Oct 09 10:43:56 <lardman> ~convert $1 to euros
Oct 09 10:43:58 <infobot> euros is an invalid unit?
Oct 09 10:44:04 <lardman> ~convert $1 to euro
Oct 09 10:44:06 <infobot> euro is an invalid unit?
Oct 09 10:44:09 <lardman> oh well
Oct 09 10:44:11 <czr> eurobot is an invalid unit
Oct 09 10:44:16 <lardman> :)
Oct 09 10:44:18 <czr> infobot even..
Oct 09 10:44:21 <czr> damn.
Oct 09 10:44:39 <czr> lardman, calculating salaries?
Oct 09 10:44:56 <pupnik_> Amazon.com Nokia n800 $280, Amazon.de N800 345 euro ($486!!!)
Oct 09 10:44:58 <lardman> yeah, hourly rate working at uni :(
Oct 09 10:45:01 <lardman> ;)
Oct 09 10:45:14 <pupnik_> Why is nokia 1.7 times more expensive in euro?
Oct 09 10:45:16 <czr> lardman, working at uni does not compute..  :-)
Oct 09 10:45:29 <czr> pupnik_, because it's special nokia euro
Oct 09 10:45:37 <lardman> no, I'm finishing off my contract - was writing up phd
Oct 09 10:45:44 <czr> lardman, ah. cool.
Oct 09 10:45:45 <bansteen> Veggen: i downloaded the maemo os 0.5
Oct 09 10:46:38 <bansteen> Veggen: my i 386 target is working fine
Oct 09 10:48:13 <AD-N770> bansteen: 0.5 ITOS2005 ?
Oct 09 10:48:55 <bansteen> Maemo-LiveCD-58215
Oct 09 10:49:25 <AD-N770> bansteen: IT OS2005 was arm, first armel was version is IT OS2006
Oct 09 10:50:12 <bansteen> can i install armel.deb there
Oct 09 10:50:49 <bansteen> the truth is before installing or doing anything with maemo, I need to study more abt this things
Oct 09 10:52:01 <AD-N770> bansteen: according to http://news.softpedia.com/news/Introducing-Maemo-LiveCD-58215.shtml
Oct 09 10:52:21 <AD-N770> bansteen: known issues:
Oct 09 10:52:26 <AD-N770> bansteen: • /scratchbox/packages/Maemo_Dev_Platform_RS_v1.0_arm.tgz is unavailable. Therefore, you can't build packages targeting the arm processor running Maemo on Nokia 770.
Oct 09 10:52:50 <bansteen> ya
Oct 09 10:53:05 <bansteen> but me working for n800
Oct 09 10:53:08 <AD-N770> bansteen; Maemo v.1.0 was arm v2 is first armel
Oct 09 10:53:16 <bansteen> oh
Oct 09 10:53:29 <bansteen> so i ahve maemo v.1.0
Oct 09 10:53:34 <bansteen> *have
Oct 09 10:53:51 <AD-N770> bansteen: I suspect it :)
Oct 09 10:54:05 <bansteen> maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel
Oct 09 10:54:10 <bansteen> i have this installed
Oct 09 10:54:39 <AD-N770> bansteen: which sbox version?
Oct 09 10:54:59 <bansteen> maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1
Oct 09 10:55:21 <bansteen> i ran programs in i386
Oct 09 10:55:25 <bansteen> target..
Oct 09 10:55:32 <bansteen> but none in sbox_armel
Oct 09 10:55:36 <bansteen> should i agian reinstall
Oct 09 10:56:01 <AD-N770> basteen: the live cd had an old sbox/old maemo fisrt ?
Oct 09 10:56:38 <bansteen> AD-N770: actually now i am in ubuntu
Oct 09 10:56:43 <bansteen> i am not in live cd
Oct 09 10:56:58 <AD-N770> bansteen: I'm also on ubuntu
Oct 09 10:57:08 <bansteen> so let me again reset all the targets
Oct 09 10:58:20 <bansteen> then try to sart  export DISPLAY=:2
Oct 09 10:58:22 <bansteen> and
Oct 09 10:58:33 <bansteen> af-sb-init.sh start
Oct 09 10:58:48 <bansteen> if the screen comes then my armel target is ok
Oct 09 10:58:51 <bansteen> rightttttttttttttt?
Oct 09 10:59:53 <AD-N770> bansteen: yes
Oct 09 11:00:15 <bansteen> stay with me bro..
Oct 09 11:02:30 <bansteen> AD-N770: it showed a message
Oct 09 11:02:38 <bansteen> deb file:/home/bansteen/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit
Oct 09 11:02:49 <bansteen> to add this line in the sources.list
Oct 09 11:02:59 <bansteen> but which sources.list???
Oct 09 11:03:24 <AD-N770> bansteen: /etc/apt/sources.list
Oct 09 11:03:33 <bansteen> ubuntu's
Oct 09 11:03:35 <bansteen> got it
Oct 09 11:03:38 <AD-N770> sbox
Oct 09 11:03:44 <bansteen> hah..
Oct 09 11:03:49 <bansteen> sbox
Oct 09 11:03:50 <bansteen> ?
Oct 09 11:03:53 <AD-N770> bansteen: in the targets
Oct 09 11:04:00 <bansteen> ok..
Oct 09 11:04:03 <bansteen> got it
Oct 09 11:04:41 <bansteen> i really feel ashamed but i am a total novice in this maemo thing
Oct 09 11:05:18 <AD-N770> bansteen: read carefully this http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 and check your install
Oct 09 11:05:27 <RobHu> I installed the boot menu some time ago on my N800. How can I now remove it? If I reflash the N800 with the new OS will that remvoe the boot menu? I want to return the n800 to it's factory state in other words.
Oct 09 11:06:39 <AD-N770> bansteen: read also this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html
Oct 09 11:06:54 <bansteen> ok..thnks bro
Oct 09 11:09:15 <lardman> RobHu: yes that will do it
Oct 09 11:11:54 <RobHu> lardman: That's great, thankyou
Oct 09 11:12:32 <lardman> np
Oct 09 11:12:48 <czr> odd. searching for "arm7 crc16 routine" leads to the N800 kernel module build howto..
Oct 09 11:12:57 <lardman> kulve: some people just don't appear to understand the idea of architectures hey
Oct 09 11:15:29 <kulve> lardman: you're reffering to the mailing list? :)
Oct 09 11:16:15 <czr> heh
Oct 09 11:16:26 <czr> that must be the most traffic on the list I've yet seen.
Oct 09 11:17:13 <pupnik_> first time i've seen someone wanting to remove the boot menu
Oct 09 11:17:47 <lardman> kulve: yep
Oct 09 11:24:49 <bansteen> AD-N770:fakeroot dpkg -i powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb
Oct 09 11:24:50 <bansteen> Selecting previously deselected package powermanga.
Oct 09 11:24:50 <bansteen> (Reading database ... 17157 files and directories currently installed.)
Oct 09 11:24:50 <bansteen> Unpacking powermanga (from powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb) ...
Oct 09 11:24:50 <bansteen> dpkg: error processing powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb (--install):
Oct 09 11:24:51 <bansteen>  error creating directory `./home/user': Permission denied
Oct 09 11:24:53 <bansteen> Errors were encountered while processing:
Oct 09 11:24:55 <bansteen>  powermanga_0.8.3_armel.deb
Oct 09 11:27:09 <dpb_> That stuff is so annoying.. Packages should never touch stuff under /home, it isn't their job..
Oct 09 11:27:12 <lardman> hmm, I didn't think packages were supposed to touch the home directories
Oct 09 11:27:21 <lardman> beat me :)
Oct 09 11:27:31 <dpb_> some packages do, but they're not supposed to
Oct 09 11:28:19 <lardman> bansteen: create the /home/user directory (within scratchbox) and then copy the files across to your home dir once it's installed
Oct 09 11:28:58 <dpb_> the thing is you don't have permissions to /home, so you'll have to create and chown it from outside scratchbox.. :)
Oct 09 11:29:12 <lardman> fakeroot?
Oct 09 11:29:20 <dpb_> nope, /home is owned by root
Oct 09 11:29:21 <AD-N770> bansteen: outside sbox, sudo ln -s /scratchbox/users/jep/home/jep/ /scratchbox/users/jep/home/user
Oct 09 11:29:37 <AD-N770> bansteen: change jep for your username
Oct 09 11:29:38 <_Monkey> AD-N770: that doesn't look right
Oct 09 11:29:59 <lardman> what was _Monkey replying to there I wonder?
Oct 09 11:30:25 <Veggen> Why can't monkey only talk when specifically asked?
Oct 09 11:30:38 <lardman> no idea.
Oct 09 11:30:44 <lardman> who owns/runs him?
Oct 09 11:30:55 <Veggen> bots shouldn't just talk like that. bad practise.
Oct 09 11:31:16 <lardman> _Monkey: go away and don't come bacl
Oct 09 11:31:16 <_Monkey> lardman: i'm not following you...
Oct 09 11:31:28 <dpb_> s/bacl/back/
Oct 09 11:31:31 <lardman> _Monkey: it's because I can't spell
Oct 09 11:31:31 <_Monkey> lardman: i'm not following you...
Oct 09 11:31:43 <czr> aww. I thought monkey was being ironic
Oct 09 11:32:09 <lardman> anthropomorphism hey?
Oct 09 11:32:58 <czr> could easily be
Oct 09 11:36:16 <bansteen> ok bros.. thnks for ur help
Oct 09 11:36:24 <bansteen> this is a great chat room
Oct 09 11:36:30 <bansteen> thnks very much
Oct 09 11:36:32 <bansteen> bye
Oct 09 11:36:38 <czr> this is the bestest char room there is.
Oct 09 11:37:45 <dpb_> lol
Oct 09 12:06:47 <RobHu> Does the latest Nokia OS support SDHC? I thought it did but it says "Flash card corrupted" in control panel for the 8GB card
Oct 09 12:54:17 <jumpula> RobHu: which image do you have?
Oct 09 12:54:25 <jumpula> version, i mean
Oct 09 12:54:55 <jumpula> sounds like that you've encountered the famous memory-card-trashing-problem
Oct 09 14:13:17 <Blacksitox> hi
Oct 09 14:13:18 <_Monkey> what's up, Blacksitox
Oct 09 14:13:49 <Blacksitox> hi _Monkey
Oct 09 14:14:09 <pupnik_> pipeline's doing great work on the quake 1 port
Oct 09 14:18:12 <sbz> hi
Oct 09 14:21:25 <pupnik> hi sbz
Oct 09 14:26:48 <pupnik> anyone with a n800 want to try pingus?
Oct 09 14:27:47 <Tak|work> hey pupnik - did you ever get that gngeo port going?
Oct 09 14:28:19 <pupnik> no gngeo on my drive
Oct 09 14:34:20 <pupnik> compact programming:  the entire graphics set from the game 'Exile': http://exile.acornarcade.com/images/bbcsource.gif
Oct 09 14:38:59 <Tak|work> hah
Oct 09 14:40:28 <pupnik> did you see the 256-byte demos i linked?
Oct 09 14:41:12 <Tak|work> no
Oct 09 14:41:26 <pupnik> http://www.256b.com/demo/225
Oct 09 14:42:01 <pupnik> runs ok on dosbox and a fast PC (~20k cycles)
Oct 09 14:45:49 <flip^> pingus?
Oct 09 14:45:50 <_Monkey> pingus is a free lemmings clone - currently seeking testers http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9794  - /msg pupnik to test
Oct 09 14:46:22 <flip^> i'll test it on an n800 (albeit maybe not this second as i'm at work, but i can get it installed if you like)
Oct 09 14:46:41 <TPC> _Monkey, what licence is it under?
Oct 09 14:46:41 <_Monkey> tpc: i don't know
Oct 09 14:47:01 <TPC> _Monkey, that was a fast response, are you a bot?
Oct 09 14:47:02 <_Monkey> tpc: no idea
Oct 09 14:47:08 <TPC> so, yes, thats a bot
Oct 09 14:47:21 <zoran> TPC, do you realy liek to talk to bots?
Oct 09 14:47:34 <TPC> zoran, not really
Oct 09 14:47:59 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/pingus.html instructions there should be sufficient
Oct 09 14:48:14 <pupnik> i'm particularly curious if the game slows down after ~12-20 pingus released on n800
Oct 09 14:49:10 <TPC> I would help test, but don't have time today
Oct 09 14:49:25 <pupnik> np - no hurry
Oct 09 14:50:51 <flip^>  ooh, fiddly install steps
Oct 09 14:52:55 <Tak|work> yes, it would be nice if pupnik would provide nice deb packages for things ;-)
Oct 09 14:53:27 * pupnik agrees
Oct 09 14:53:43 <lardman> perhaps pupnik needs a nice script to do the packaging, lardman certainly does
Oct 09 14:54:03 <Tak|work> whatever happened to mud-builder?
Oct 09 14:54:23 <celesteh> mud-builder?
Oct 09 14:54:24 <_Monkey> somebody said mud-builder was "Maemo Unofficial Debs" - an autobuilder for simple source ports that hosts them in a single repository.  http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/index.php  Forum at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10279
Oct 09 14:54:27 <pupnik> was just testing it - automating things ppl don't understand is always dicey
Oct 09 14:54:57 <Tak|work> dh_make is pretty straightforward in any case
Oct 09 14:55:00 <pupnik> but there's no point in an end-user package for pingus right now as it's not playable on 770
Oct 09 14:55:09 <lardman> I'm more tempted to add an OE target, and use the existing toolchain, binutils and libc, etc.
Oct 09 14:55:21 <lardman> then just bitbake world and see what comes out
Oct 09 14:55:40 <dpryo> shit in, shit out
Oct 09 14:55:58 <zoran> in a first moment I thought nokia would set mud-builder to receive source as input ans spit binary as the answer
Oct 09 14:56:01 <lardman> yes, but I was planning on feeding it something useful ;)
Oct 09 14:57:00 * lardman finds the packaging the biggest pita, wish it could be automated, or the debian tools explained
Oct 09 15:00:40 <flip^> can't find libsdl...
Oct 09 15:00:54 * Jaffa hasn't had enough time to work on mud-builder recently.
Oct 09 15:00:59 <flip^> aha, libsdl1.2
Oct 09 15:06:10 <Tak|work> I hear you - I've been on hiatus
Oct 09 15:09:55 * flip^ wonders where pingus installed itself
Oct 09 15:11:14 <pupnik> dpkg -X pingus_0.7.1-1_armel.deb . |grep bin/pingus
Oct 09 15:11:15 <pupnik> ./usr/bin/pingus
Oct 09 15:11:34 <flip^> aha, not /usr/games
Oct 09 15:11:38 * flip^ goes to hunt it down :)
Oct 09 15:12:32 <pupnik> there is a hack to enable execute on mmc - I'm considering making a package that enables mmc execute and symlinks /usr/local to /media/mmc1/local
Oct 09 15:12:48 <pupnik> that way we could package games to install to /usr/local
Oct 09 15:12:54 <czr> pupnik, what does the hack do?
Oct 09 15:12:56 <czr> modify fstab?
Oct 09 15:13:00 <pupnik> and if people had the mmc link hack enabled, they would all reside on mmc
Oct 09 15:14:04 <zoran> like : ln -s /media/mmc1/games/ /bin/game ?
Oct 09 15:14:57 <pupnik> and there'd be no more need to have ppl use the command line when installing big games to the tablet
Oct 09 15:15:01 <pupnik> yes ln-s
Oct 09 15:15:15 * flip^ hmms at it not even seeming to launch
Oct 09 15:15:15 <zoran> :)
Oct 09 15:17:40 <pupnik> try pingus -f --fast-mode ... media is in /usr/share/games/pingus
Oct 09 15:18:01 <pupnik> i'll be moving that to /usr/local/share/games/pingus in next version
Oct 09 15:19:23 <pupnik> if it is somewhere else, start pingus from the pingus share directory - i.e. ./usr/share/games/pingus
Oct 09 15:20:52 <flip^> i'll have a go in a mo
Oct 09 15:24:05 <biggs> hello all
Oct 09 15:24:11 <biggs> big fan...
Oct 09 15:25:12 <RobHu> jumpula: I /had/ (it's in the post now) the latest nokia image. The card was either unflashed or flashed with ext3. I formated it with vfat and it worked.
Oct 09 15:26:08 <jumpula> the latest image should (supposedly) fix issues with the memory card corruption
Oct 09 15:26:12 <flip^> pupnik: installing in the default location seems to have upset it over the location of the data files
Oct 09 15:26:35 <jumpula> supposedly in this case means if i remember correctly :)
Oct 09 15:26:53 <RobHu> If you put in an unformatted card should you be prompted to have it formated?
Oct 09 15:26:58 <flip^> pupnik: i'll have a fiddle a bit later and see if i can get things in locations where it'll find them and actually launch
Oct 09 15:27:08 <RobHu> I couldn't see a way to do that so I installed xterm and dropbear and did it myself
Oct 09 15:27:36 <pupnik> flip^: are you launching from command-line or menu?
Oct 09 15:28:01 <jumpula> i have a vague mental image about a warning displayed in the device's screen if the card was unformatted or corrupted
Oct 09 15:28:14 <flip^> menu just didn't do anything obvious. command line through errors checking for file /usr/bin/media/mmc1/share/pingus/data//date/core.res
Oct 09 15:28:30 <flip^> that really doesn't look like a nice location ;)
Oct 09 15:28:36 <flip^> it failed on a few other things after that
Oct 09 15:28:40 <flip^> /usr/bin/data/data/core.res
Oct 09 15:28:45 <flip^> and data/data/core.res
Oct 09 15:28:50 <flip^> No base path found
Oct 09 15:29:03 <pupnik> sorry then i goofed
Oct 09 15:29:20 <flip^> it does suggest using a --datadir option though
Oct 09 15:31:02 <RobHu> jumpula: I looked at memory in control panel and it just said it was corrupted. That might be because it had a valid partition table but the kernel didn't have ext3 loaded perhaps.
Oct 09 15:33:09 <jumpula> might be
Oct 09 15:34:00 <RobHu> It would be sensible to assume that something with a partition table was formatted already, and something without one wasn't
Oct 09 15:34:11 <RobHu> and if you can't read the partitions probably something is wrong with the card
Oct 09 15:34:39 <biggs> guys.. i have a question.. I followed instructions on making my 800 boot up as root. the only problem with that is now i cannot use the application manager to install applications
Oct 09 15:34:47 <biggs> is there a way of doing booth?
Oct 09 15:34:51 <biggs> both*
Oct 09 15:35:10 <||cw> RobHu: just so you know, and maybe you do, formating a card with ext3 causes twice the writes and so will wear out the card twice as fast
Oct 09 15:35:14 <biggs> I remebered that I changed user:29999:29999 and change to user :0:0
Oct 09 15:35:41 <biggs> and also root: /root and change to root: /home/user/
Oct 09 15:35:46 <||cw> biggs: why do you need it to run as root?
Oct 09 15:36:08 <biggs> because I have written a program that can only run as root
Oct 09 15:36:28 <biggs> and i didn't want to have to type sudo gainroot everytime I ran it
Oct 09 15:36:37 <biggs> which is everytime my 800 starts up
Oct 09 15:36:54 <||cw> add it to sudoers
Oct 09 15:37:03 <RobHu> ||cw: Yes, but it's journalled and I get the impression that write leveling / the lifetime of the card makes this not matter so much. Although I suppose if you don't have write leveling and the journal remains in one place it's a problem
Oct 09 15:37:14 <RobHu> Although, I now don't have a N800 this is a bit academic for me :P
Oct 09 15:37:26 <biggs> what do i add to sudoers?
Oct 09 15:37:52 <zoran> could you roll back all you wrote regarding root?
Oct 09 15:39:06 <biggs> zoran* are you speaking to me?
Oct 09 15:39:22 <||cw> biggs: copy the gainroot line and add your binary
Oct 09 15:39:27 <zoran> if you changed root options
Oct 09 15:39:50 <biggs> could you be a bit more specific....
Oct 09 15:39:53 <zoran> user id is 299999
Oct 09 15:40:00 <biggs> ||cw
Oct 09 15:40:03 <zoran> root is low numbered
Oct 09 15:40:14 <||cw> biggs: vi /etc/sudoers and look at it
Oct 09 15:40:19 <zoran> nokia uses sudo to go around install etc
Oct 09 15:40:30 <biggs> ok thanks... i will take a look now
Oct 09 15:40:34 <biggs> apopreciate it
Oct 09 15:40:57 <zoran> and change MODE=enable # in gainroot file
Oct 09 15:40:58 <_Monkey> zoran: that doesn't look right
Oct 09 15:41:14 <zoran> hurah!
Oct 09 15:42:35 <zoran> biggs, you could always set 755 to the file and exec it as whoever
Oct 09 15:43:08 <||cw> with suid
Oct 09 15:43:16 <||cw> sudo is cleaner in the long run
Oct 09 15:43:38 <|R> SUID anyone? :P
Oct 09 15:44:29 <zoran> me, please
Oct 09 15:44:37 <|R> ~
Oct 09 15:44:49 <|R> oops :)
Oct 09 15:45:11 <||cw> i'm on a suid free diet, my personal trainer, ubuntu, doens't allow it
Oct 09 15:45:20 <|R> hehe
Oct 09 15:47:13 <zoran> fine way would be to completely separate root and user
Oct 09 15:47:47 <zoran> just user cannot run su
Oct 09 15:48:59 <||cw> I think you just need to add /bin/sh to sudoers and you can "sudo -i" which is the new "su -"
Oct 09 15:49:58 <zoran> hm, I don't have sudo on my box and live without it happily
Oct 09 15:53:27 <czr> or you could just write your own C wrapper that launches a shell and then set SUID to it (I have one ready if you really want it)
Oct 09 15:54:13 <czr> or if you want to be extra sneaky, SGID ;-)
Oct 09 15:54:21 <zoran> hm, I would like to trim all down to fit 770 memory
Oct 09 15:54:59 <zoran> (if it concerns me)
Oct 09 16:00:16 <|R> anyone got bash and/or tar installed without it asking to remove basically everything you have installed before?
Oct 09 16:00:28 <|R> And then, can you replace the default shell...
Oct 09 16:00:57 <|R> i know busybox provides a lot though, some tools might be missing, like sed or whatever
Oct 09 16:01:17 <zoran> IR, I had to reflash for chsh
Oct 09 16:01:39 <zoran> I stupidly changed /etc/shells file
Oct 09 16:18:55 <|R> zoran : you mean it works with chsh? or it breaks any way you do it? :)
Oct 09 16:19:36 <zoran> |R, breaks!!!!!!!!
Oct 09 16:19:46 <zoran> I made a mistake, you know
Oct 09 16:20:04 <zoran> I installed bahs in /usr/bin/bash
Oct 09 16:20:13 <zoran> and changed /etc/shells accouringly
Oct 09 16:20:34 <zoran> so, it went into the circle
Oct 09 16:20:55 <zoran> chsh works on all unices I know
Oct 09 16:21:29 <|R> arg /:
Oct 09 16:21:57 * |R has not slepped enough ;)
Oct 09 16:22:10 <zoran> but I found the way to get rid of path in prompt
Oct 09 16:23:54 <zoran> and I tried out to change it via osso-xterm.desktop
Oct 09 16:25:16 <zoran> btw, someone uses bash running as default
Oct 09 16:25:21 <zoran> ?
Oct 09 16:31:07 <|R> i guess i should just extract it somewhere to get the binary and use it for scripts only... like ruby or python
Oct 09 16:31:25 <|R> that's too bad, busybox is a p.i.t.a. ;)
Oct 09 16:31:36 <|R> (a well done one though :P)
Oct 09 16:32:10 <zoran> |R, bash?
Oct 09 16:34:40 <pupnik> bsd nvi is a great vi replacement
Oct 09 16:35:03 <|R> zoran: yep
Oct 09 16:35:09 <zoran> k, anyway vi on busybox is not so bad
Oct 09 16:35:19 <|R> i installed vim, it's my second OS :P
Oct 09 16:35:30 <zoran> |R, you could install bash and call it via "$bash"
Oct 09 16:35:40 <pupnik> busybox vi is missing core commands and has display bugs
Oct 09 16:35:42 <zoran> $ bahs
Oct 09 16:35:47 <zoran> $ bash
Oct 09 16:35:53 <|R> zoran: yeah i know, it's just that the package conflicts with everything... so i'd have to extract it
Oct 09 16:35:56 <zoran> uh, what typos
Oct 09 16:36:11 <zoran> no, you need bash-m
Oct 09 16:36:27 <|R> ok, what's that? :)
Oct 09 16:36:42 <zoran> the same, but differently named
Oct 09 16:36:56 <zoran> busybox calls out for "bash"
Oct 09 16:37:29 <zoran> I had it installed and fired up with " $ bash "
Oct 09 16:37:37 <zoran> worked
Oct 09 16:37:53 <zoran> and I wanted to have it as default
Oct 09 16:38:04 <zoran> and what a fun I had then
Oct 09 16:38:17 <|R> hehe
Oct 09 16:38:34 <zoran> I walked around almost mad
Oct 09 16:38:53 <zoran> and screemed secret words
Oct 09 16:38:53 <|R> i can imagine
Oct 09 16:39:12 <zoran> 3.2006.49 looks fine to me
Oct 09 16:39:14 <|R> after having setup the device for many hours, I'd be pretty mad to screw things up right now :P
Oct 09 16:39:28 <|R> i'm using the latest 2007 release though...
Oct 09 16:39:36 <zoran> on 770?
Oct 09 16:39:58 <|R> n800 here
Oct 09 16:40:07 <zoran> ah, you lucky guy!
Oct 09 16:40:08 <|R> just got it last week
Oct 09 16:40:12 <|R> hehe :)
Oct 09 16:40:24 <zoran> 770 is fine with me
Oct 09 16:40:34 <zoran> little memory footprint...
Oct 09 16:40:42 <zoran> but I use console apps anyway
Oct 09 16:41:02 <|R> yeah, i don't know what i'll be doing the most yet ...
Oct 09 16:41:27 <|R> i need to find a VPN ipsec client for 2007/n800
Oct 09 16:41:41 <|R> i'm not sure vpnc works, i'm looking into it :)
Oct 09 16:41:46 <zoran> I saw openvps or something
Oct 09 16:41:53 <zoran> *vpn
Oct 09 16:42:13 <|R> googlin' :)
Oct 09 16:42:59 <|R> uhm, i'm find a maemo2 not 3 one...
Oct 09 16:43:09 <Tak|work> zoran: no 2007HE?
Oct 09 16:43:30 <zoran> I am modest guy
Oct 09 16:43:38 <zoran> I would kill me
Oct 09 16:43:44 <zoran> all that happiness
Oct 09 16:44:15 <zoran> seriously, I've heard HE is a little bit bloated
Oct 09 16:44:41 <zoran> think I will remove bt modules from rc2
Oct 09 16:45:44 <zoran> I have my little world of mutt, getmail, rawdog, poppy, links...
Oct 09 16:46:05 <zoran> fast as on desktop box
Oct 09 16:46:29 <zoran> and a gem called smtppush
Oct 09 16:50:10 * Tak|work shrugs
Oct 09 16:50:23 <Tak|work> I don't notice much difference, bloatwise
Oct 09 16:50:23 <zoran> seems that openvpn is available for 800 too
Oct 09 16:50:51 <zoran> Tak|work, have I missed something
Oct 09 16:51:11 * Tak|work shrugs
Oct 09 16:51:26 <|R> zoran : maemo3 ?
Oct 09 16:51:36 <zoran> 49 works better for me than 39
Oct 09 16:51:52 <zoran> |R, dunno
Oct 09 16:53:21 <pupnik> what's the ls option that shows real size of sparse files again
Oct 09 16:55:35 <zoran>     -S      Sort by size (largest file first) before sorting the operands in
Oct 09 16:55:43 <zoran>              lexicographical order.    -S      Sort by size (largest file first) before sorting the operands in
Oct 09 16:56:09 <zoran> uh, buffer in xterm lives it's own life
Oct 09 16:56:27 <ssam> i signed up for an account on maemo.org, but i can't log in to edit the wiki
Oct 09 16:58:22 <zoran> pupnik, or -hl ?
Oct 09 16:58:38 <pupnik> nope
Oct 09 16:58:49 <zoran> sparse == thin ?
Oct 09 16:58:55 <zoran> small files?
Oct 09 16:59:24 <pupnik> maybe i'm misremembering that there was a way to do it
Oct 09 16:59:28 <Tak|work> du -sh ?
Oct 09 16:59:33 <pupnik> yes du will show
Oct 09 17:00:00 <zoran>      -h      "Human-readable" output.  Use unit suffixes: Byte, Kilobyte,
Oct 09 17:00:00 <zoran>              Megabyte, Gigabyte, Terabyte and Petabyte.
Oct 09 17:00:07 <czr> ssam, not many can at the moment. seems there is some problem on the website
Oct 09 17:00:24 <pupnik> zoran sparse files report more disk usage in ls output than they really take up
Oct 09 17:00:34 <zoran> aha
Oct 09 17:00:44 <czr> pupnik, assuming that the underlying fs supports sparse files
Oct 09 17:00:57 <Tak|work> hah, I can't wait until I see the size of some file on my system in petabytes
Oct 09 17:01:14 <ssam> czr, ok thanks
Oct 09 17:01:19 <zoran> I read this days to manage that
Oct 09 17:01:20 <czr> Tak|work, neither can I. since that would mean that linux filesystems would scale at last.
Oct 09 17:02:01 <zoran> september linux journal, I think
Oct 09 17:03:22 * zoran gone to feed dragons
Oct 09 17:07:24 <pupnik> http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html << that's a productive spare-time game developer
Oct 09 17:16:15 <flip^> pupnik: did you work out why pingus would't launch?
Oct 09 17:16:34 <pupnik> launches here - did you try starting from the game data dir?
Oct 09 18:08:50 <nunyabizn> is anyone running openvpn on the new firmware?
Oct 09 18:10:13 <Tak|work> hmm - anyone got a good way to conditionally use hildon widgets in a glade project?
Oct 09 18:12:48 <pancake> anyone playing with vala and hildon bindings?
Oct 09 18:13:15 <Tak|work> pancake: I looked at it a little - vala's extremely immature
Oct 09 18:13:29 <Tak|work> and undocumented
Oct 09 18:14:40 <pancake> Tak|work: i've been writting a serious application with Vala
Oct 09 18:14:56 <pancake> and works pretty fine for me, the bugs I have reported have been fixed in less than one week
Oct 09 18:15:05 <pancake> and documentation is senseless (for me)
Oct 09 18:15:17 <pancake> but i was curious about the hildon bindings
Oct 09 18:16:25 <pancake> i know that there'r some tricks to make't work properly, but is far more stable than I have expected for a 0.1 version
Oct 09 18:21:03 <Tak|work> that's cool
Oct 09 18:21:11 <Tak|work> does it have exception handling yet?
Oct 09 18:45:45 <|R>     -- Got SIP response 405 "Method Not Allowed" back from 192.168.1.178
Oct 09 18:45:56 <|R> anyone get this with rtcomm connected to asterisk on their LAN ?
Oct 09 18:46:06 <|R> i can call but it doesn't ring on incoming calls..
Oct 09 18:51:51 <Tak|work> sounds like a useful feature ;-)
Oct 09 18:52:30 <pancake> yup it does (the exception handler)
Oct 09 18:55:47 <cosmo> hmm, this would be nice with maemo & keyboard & mouse: http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/samsungs-19-inch-syncmaster-940ux-lcd-picks-usb/
Oct 09 18:58:51 <Tak|work> pancake: ahh - when I was looking at it, I tried putting a try/catch in my code, and the compiler segfaulted ;-)
Oct 09 19:12:01 <sp3000> oops
Oct 09 19:12:09 <sp3000> why am I reading all the retarded comments on that
Oct 09 19:14:35 <pancake> hehe
Oct 09 19:14:38 <pancake> try the svn ;)
Oct 09 19:21:48 <flip^> pupnik: i got pingus to run :)
Oct 09 19:23:29 <pupnik> yeey
Oct 09 19:24:17 <flip^> took --datadir and some fiddling (though much of the fiddling would have been uncessary if i'd guessed the right datadir to start with
Oct 09 19:24:53 <pupnik> yah .. i think you'll see that it's an excellent game for the tablet
Oct 09 19:25:02 <pupnik> dpad to move screen around
Oct 09 19:25:20 <pupnik> do you have swap enabled?
Oct 09 19:25:34 <flip^> that just made it a little more excellent ;) it was getting clunky moving the pointer to the edge of the screen for moving the screen about
Oct 09 19:25:43 <flip^> yeah, i have swap enabled - have no shortage of mmc space atm
Oct 09 19:25:53 <flip^> and it runs fine... no slowdown with 20 on the screen
Oct 09 19:26:51 <pupnik> ok two more: do you get a lag before panning with dpad
Oct 09 19:27:01 <pupnik> and do you get a long lag after completing a level?
Oct 09 19:29:12 <flip^> dpad panning is fine... there's a little lag transitioning into levels after ticking the box to start, and after completnig a level
Oct 09 19:29:17 <flip^> but its no more than a second or two
Oct 09 19:29:57 <pupnik> sheez, it's like 25 seconds on 770
Oct 09 19:31:26 <flip^> well, maybe 3 or 4... but its really not very long
Oct 09 19:31:29 <flip^> certainly playable on a n800
Oct 09 19:31:33 <pupnik> that's all good
Oct 09 19:32:07 <flip^> the transitions (where it cuts from the centre of the screen to the map, or whatever) are a bit jerky, but not slow
Oct 09 19:32:27 <pupnik> those can be easily disabled
Oct 09 19:32:38 <flip^> map to description of level takes about 8 seconds
Oct 09 19:32:52 <flip^> 5 seconds from description to get into the level itself
Oct 09 19:33:03 <pupnik> thanks - great feedback
Oct 09 19:33:10 <pupnik> nice to hear it's so fast
Oct 09 19:33:46 <flip^> its a little irritating having to double tap pingus to get them to do things, but i guess it'd be useful when you want to know what one of them is without actually assigning a command
Oct 09 19:33:51 <pupnik> that's like 5-7 times faster than on 77
Oct 09 19:34:15 <pupnik> yes that's a game-design decision by grumbel
Oct 09 19:34:32 * flip^ nods
Oct 09 19:34:45 <pupnik> it's very difficult to click on the correct pingu when things are heavily lagged
Oct 09 19:34:57 <flip^> completing that level (the bashers one) seemed to take longer, maybe almost 10 seconds from level complete to summary of success... but i may have overcuonted a little
Oct 09 19:35:01 * flip^ nods
Oct 09 19:37:15 <pupnik> i'll spend some time this week on it, getting libboost into the .deb package and moving the install dir to /usr/local
Oct 09 19:38:23 <pupnik> testing it here is difficult, as it locks up pretty frequently
Oct 09 19:38:31 <flip^> out of interest, on the description/summary screens, is all the text meant to fit inside the green box?
Oct 09 19:38:53 <pupnik> yes, the pingus devs know about the problem
Oct 09 19:39:02 <flip^> ah ok
Oct 09 19:39:11 <flip^> seems ok on a level with all the snow falling too
Oct 09 19:39:31 <pupnik> you running with --fast-mode?
Oct 09 19:39:45 <flip^> nope
Oct 09 19:39:51 <pupnik> graaah
Oct 09 19:39:53 <flip^> i forgot about that this time
Oct 09 19:40:03 <flip^> graaah?
Oct 09 19:40:03 <pupnik> and it's still smooth?
Oct 09 19:40:20 <pupnik> without --fast it's completely unplayable on 770
Oct 09 19:40:22 <flip^> with all the snow its ever so slightly jerky, but doesn't feel slowed down at all
Oct 09 19:40:35 <pupnik> holy crap that's awesome
Oct 09 19:40:49 * flip^ tries with fast mode
Oct 09 19:40:58 <flip^> from the graaah i thought i'd done something wrong :P
Oct 09 19:41:33 <flip^> whats -f do? or is that just --fast-mode shortened
Oct 09 19:41:42 <pupnik> fullscreen
Oct 09 19:41:53 <flip^> oh, it seemed to do that without me asking it to
Oct 09 19:41:58 <pupnik> i think i changed it to go fullscreen by default
Oct 09 19:42:26 * flip^ nods
Oct 09 19:42:41 <pupnik> when you played the level without fast mode, did you see a colored or a black background?
Oct 09 19:43:28 <flip^> um... i'll have to go try in a sec... i didn't really look
Oct 09 19:43:36 <flip^> heh heh, fast mode is quite nippy, isn't it
Oct 09 19:43:56 <flip^> not sure i could touch the pingus fast enough to get them to do what i want
Oct 09 19:44:14 <flip^> hmm, that doesn't sound right reading it back >.<
Oct 09 19:45:16 <flip^> the transitions seem a little slower in fast mode, if anything, but that might just be that the later levels are more complex and therefore the lag from level summary > level increases with later levels
Oct 09 19:46:02 <flip^> the float/bash level certainly takes ages from pressing OK before the level starts
Oct 09 19:47:48 <flip^> background in non-fast-mode appears black - no colour
Oct 09 19:49:13 <flip^> ooh, the level with snow (level 5) also has water at the bottom
Oct 09 19:51:48 <flip^> it does, understandably, appear to be a cpu hog, so probably would eat battery for breakfast
Oct 09 19:53:25 <pupnik> well
Oct 09 19:54:02 <pupnik> i am nearly always playing/using cpu-hogs so.. that's normal behavior for me
Oct 09 19:55:10 <flip^> oh, it doesn't bother me... i stay on mains power most of the time. thought it worth a note tho
Oct 09 19:55:40 <flip^> anyway, time for me to relocate from work to home... happy to offer any more feedback later :)
Oct 09 20:07:26 <pupnik>    cheers flip^ - ty
Oct 09 20:11:32 <Atarii> konttori!
Oct 09 20:11:32 <_Monkey> i think konttori is receptive to patches in disq's experience, i think he's just a little preoccupied
Oct 09 20:11:40 <konttori> hi
Oct 09 20:11:40 <_Monkey> niihau, konttori
Oct 09 20:11:40 <Atarii> lol thats weird timing
Oct 09 20:11:48 <konttori> what's up?
Oct 09 20:11:58 <Atarii> im having problems with 1.7 of ukmp
Oct 09 20:12:08 <konttori> ah... and I'm fixing it at the moment.
Oct 09 20:12:11 <Atarii> :D
Oct 09 20:12:13 <konttori> a coincidence as well
Oct 09 20:12:17 <Atarii> awesome ill leave u too it :p
Oct 09 20:12:24 <konttori> no probs
Oct 09 20:12:26 <Atarii> to*
Oct 09 20:12:30 <konttori> what did you have the problem with
Oct 09 20:12:36 <konttori> I'm probably not fixing that atm
Oct 09 20:12:43 <konttori> so,, I could try to fix it
Oct 09 20:12:51 <Atarii> the album display is weird
Oct 09 20:12:58 <Atarii> not sure if its meant to be how it is
Oct 09 20:14:13 <konttori> what do you mean?
Oct 09 20:14:56 <disq> _Monkey: forget konttori
Oct 09 20:14:57 <_Monkey> disq: I forgot konttori
Oct 09 20:15:01 <Atarii> it only displays one album, but its far off the left side of the screen so i cant click it anyways
Oct 09 20:15:05 <Atarii> hard to explain :p
Oct 09 20:15:29 <konttori> ahh... yeah, if you have too few albums, that happens
Oct 09 20:15:40 <konttori> I'll try to fix that immediately. Hold on.
Oct 09 20:15:47 <Atarii> ok thanks :)
Oct 09 20:18:45 <konttori> ahh... there we go. Now it should be fixed.
Oct 09 20:19:08 <konttori> I'll fix a few other things as well and put the version to garage in a sec (read 5 mins)
Oct 09 20:27:29 <konttori> ok. I'll test it on the device now and then upload
Oct 09 20:31:32 <Atarii> :D
Oct 09 20:36:34 <konttori> hey, it's there now.
Oct 09 20:36:36 <konttori> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2284/UKMP-1.70Alpha5.deb
Oct 09 20:37:24 <Atarii> awesome thanks
Oct 09 20:37:26 <konttori> How come you don't have more than a few albums on the device anyway? Put a few dozen albums in there right now ! ;)
Oct 09 20:37:35 <Atarii> :O yes sir!
Oct 09 20:37:53 <konttori> I've modified the UI a bit, so please comment on that if you have the time to try it out
Oct 09 20:43:11 <Jiten> I was wondering, is the blue led N800:s directional pad actually used for anything useful anywhere?
Oct 09 20:43:44 <konttori> nope
Oct 09 20:43:59 <konttori> i think it was intended as a notifier (like you have new message)
Oct 09 20:44:06 <konttori> or something like that
Oct 09 20:44:18 <Jiten> I got the impression that you can control it's brightness since it slowly lights up when you start up the device
Oct 09 20:44:47 <Atarii> how do u change the os2007 menu to large size?
Oct 09 20:45:00 <pupnik> select a 12 pt font
Oct 09 20:45:03 <pupnik> theme
Oct 09 20:45:07 <pupnik> er 14 pt
Oct 09 20:45:08 <Jiten> so, why not use it to indicate how fast the system is churning through it's battery :)
Oct 09 20:45:16 <Atarii> is that the only way?
Oct 09 20:45:43 <konttori> Jiten: could well be
Oct 09 20:45:53 <Atarii> i like the new back button konttori :p
Oct 09 20:46:36 <Atarii> UI seems a lot more responsive also
Oct 09 20:47:56 <Jiten> anyway, I guess I'll continue getting the SDK running. I'm a bit mixed on whether to install chinook sdk beta or bora sdk.
Oct 09 20:48:40 <roope> oh. :) i need to see that tomorrow.
Oct 09 20:48:46 <konttori> thanks. the back button is from roope
Oct 09 20:48:51 <Jiten> I'm thinking of porting (well, more like rewrite of the UI, since the original is pyqt) this flashcard program called mnemosyne.
Oct 09 20:49:04 <konttori> but the theme is still the same old black stuff, not your new one roope
Oct 09 20:49:15 <roope> ok. well, i've been still iterating on it.
Oct 09 20:49:24 <roope> i made a even better one today etc. :)
Oct 09 20:49:27 <Atarii> 2 things, is there a pause button and also is there an exit button?
Oct 09 20:49:29 <konttori> I'm closer to being able to start the theme as well.
Oct 09 20:49:41 <konttori> just press dpad middle to pause
Oct 09 20:49:58 <konttori> press (and keep pressed) back button to exit.
Oct 09 20:50:15 <konttori> I will add a way to have exit later. Just not yet.
Oct 09 20:50:37 <Atarii> k, thats wat i did to exit, maybe have the back icon as exit, if you are on the main screen
Oct 09 20:50:45 <Atarii> with a confirmation popup
Oct 09 20:51:59 <konttori> Maybe something along that line.
Oct 09 20:58:43 <Jiten> no-one has an opinion as to whether I should port this program to chinook or bora?
Oct 09 20:59:51 <Atarii> bora
Oct 09 21:05:34 <TPC> win 37
Oct 09 21:05:37 <TPC> oops
Oct 09 21:05:47 <Atarii> ssh'ing into the nokia is so sexy, why havnt i done this before!
Oct 09 21:09:05 <roope> Ei ne ymmärrä, että mitä niiden graffojen pitäisi tehdä.
Oct 09 21:09:08 <roope> oops. :)
Oct 09 21:11:22 <zeenix> roope: niin! ei ne ymmärrä :)
Oct 09 21:11:44 <roope> Never mind. :)
Oct 09 21:24:04 <suposs> Hi guys. Just got my hands on a 770, and I was wondering if I should go with OS 2006 or the Hacker Edition 2007. What are the biggest improvements in HE compared to 2006, and what doesn't work
Oct 09 21:32:20 <Atarii> suposs check out http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums
Oct 09 21:32:23 <Jaffa> suposs: no idea, I'm afraid. There are a fair few threads about it on ITT
Oct 09 21:32:29 <Atarii> :p
Oct 09 21:32:40 <pupnik> i say you should stay with 2006 until you are quite familiar with the 770
Oct 09 21:33:15 <Atarii> ooo controversial
Oct 09 21:34:30 <suposs> I should say that I'm just planning to use it for sooling around, no mission critical stuff :)
Oct 09 21:34:40 <suposs> s/sooling/fooling
Oct 09 21:35:04 <Atarii> i personally had 2006 for bout 2 days before upgrading to 2007
Oct 09 21:35:27 <suposs> Atarii: And stuff generally works?
Oct 09 21:36:04 <Atarii> yea no major problems so far
Oct 09 21:36:12 <Atarii> i find it more responsive also
Oct 09 21:36:37 <Atarii> maybe u should put 2006 on first, just so you can see the difference with 2007
Oct 09 21:36:50 <flip^> there's a page on maemo.org somewhere (i think) that says what the 'issues' are... aside from those issues, i think 2007 is meant to be ok on a 770
Oct 09 21:37:10 <flip^> not that i have any way of actually knowing
Oct 09 21:38:32 <Lateralus> Is there a way to poll the internet connectivity status using coniciap other than using the "statistics" signal and checking something like the signal strength? I was doing an rpc call of ICD_DBUS_STATE_REQ on the service bus, but it looks like ICD_DBUS_STATE_REQ has disappeared. Atleast, my compiler thinks it's undeclared, and I can't find anything about it being moved to another header file.
Oct 09 21:46:44 <disq> Lateralus: use libconic. see maemo documentation at maemo.org for details
Oct 09 21:53:34 <Lateralus> disq: I'm attempting to use libconic, and I'm reading the documentation. I see no (good) method to determine if an iap is currently connected. Is using the statistics signal recommended, is there a better way? The con_ic_connection_statistics requires an iap id, I don't really care which, and would not want to poll them all, I just want to know if any are connected.
Oct 09 21:54:10 <disq> Lateralus: see maemoscrobbler sourcecode
Oct 09 21:55:32 <Lateralus> disq: Checking it out now, thanks for your help
Oct 09 21:55:51 <disq> scrobblerd.c :)
Oct 09 22:07:02 <Lateralus> disq: Perhaps I am missing something, I only see you registering a connection-event handler and then attempting to open a connection. I want to check for the availability of a connection and set the initial state of my daemon based on that. Nokia frowns on applications requesting connections when they start.
Oct 09 22:08:00 <disq> you are. it is silent
Oct 09 22:08:08 <Lateralus> Yes, I just looked up the enum value
Oct 09 22:08:11 <Lateralus> thanks!
Oct 09 22:08:25 <Lateralus> I'll read before asking next time :)
Oct 09 22:08:44 <disq> remember to add libconic0 to the dependency list. nokia 770 doesn't have it installed by default (though it's available)
Oct 09 23:10:21 <Jiten> is it supposed to be possible to get this SD-card out of this external slot on n800? the quick start sheet tells me that I should just pull it out, the problem is, there is nothing I can get a hold of.
Oct 09 23:11:25 <disq> fingernails do work.
Oct 09 23:11:30 <_pcfe_> Jiten: the slot has no eject mechanice
Oct 09 23:12:00 <_pcfe_> Jiten: the card _should_ have an indent on one side where you can latch a fingernail in
Oct 09 23:12:59 <_pcfe_> Jiten: otherwise use pliers (fine pliers, not rought big stuff, preferably borrow something from the beauty case of wife/girlfriend/sister/mother
Oct 09 23:13:16 <pupnik> stop biting fingernails
Oct 09 23:14:44 <Jiten> nope, can't find an indentation to fit my fingernail in
Oct 09 23:22:25 <Jiten> I guess I'm not getting this card out. At least not today.
Oct 09 23:23:49 <suposs> what's the easiest/best way to get a root account on 2007HE?
Oct 09 23:25:03 <Jiten> ok, after investigating another card from the same manufacturer, there is an indent, but it's way too shallow to be of any use.
Oct 09 23:28:21 <pupnik> gainroot?
Oct 09 23:28:21 <_Monkey> i heard gainroot was a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot  and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot
Oct 09 23:28:27 <pupnik> ^^jiten
Oct 09 23:29:41 <Jiten> ok, manager to slip the microSD out of this adapter with pliers :P
Oct 09 23:29:46 <Jiten> managed even
Oct 09 23:31:09 <Jiten> ok, got it out finally. I'm going to be rather careful about putting cards in this slow from now on :P
Oct 09 23:34:22 <pupnik> nokia to release another n-gage ...
Oct 09 23:37:23 <Jiten> ok, this 128MB one that was in the package comes out quite easily.
Oct 09 23:39:29 <gla55> pupnik: link? if you're referring to a specific device rather than to the platform
Oct 09 23:41:57 <Tb0n3> lulz
Oct 09 23:42:04 <pupnik> sorry lost it - from an ngage site
Oct 09 23:42:21 <Tb0n3> I rm /bin -rf and thought I fucked it up beyond repair cause the flash wasn't working
Oct 09 23:42:31 <Tb0n3> but then I finally tried the power cord
Oct 09 23:42:32 <pupnik> gla55: i am looking to replace some pentium-based timer using rdtsc with something else... have you seen anyone do that before? :)
Oct 09 23:43:18 <gla55> pupnik: sorry i'm quite useless unless the question is about j2me or symbian c++
Oct 09 23:43:46 <pupnik> heh.. ok here's some arm code to emulate rdtsc function  (as a diff) https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2004-February/006579.html
Oct 09 23:44:10 <pupnik> ooo i know where i can look
Oct 09 23:44:35 <gla55> there's a bunch of devices that are "ngage" now, n95, n81 etc,   well actually they put the ngage brand on some earlier phones boxes too but they havent managed to get the online platform out untill maybe in recent future
Oct 09 23:45:16 <pupnik> yeah it's too bad.  ibut they have a lot invested in symbian so it's understandable
Oct 09 23:45:42 <gla55> it's too bad they havent had the brains to put proper pads
Oct 09 23:45:57 <gla55> hw wise they're quite powerful for games
Oct 09 23:46:33 <gla55> quake on n95 is cool, though you need a bt keyboard for proper controls..
Oct 09 23:46:55 <pupnik> have you tried the latest build of maemo quake?  he fixed the control issues
Oct 09 23:46:59 <pupnik> it's actually fun to play now
Oct 09 23:47:07 <gla55> nice
Oct 09 23:47:36 <gla55> oh yeah, someone wrote a bt driver for wiimote for symbian
Oct 09 23:47:45 <pupnik> it's so fun when you say "i want the ui to be like *this*" and two days later the developer implements it exactly like you dreamed
Oct 09 23:47:46 <gla55> is there something like that for maemo?
Oct 09 23:47:57 <pupnik> i think so actually
Oct 09 23:48:20 <gla55> would be nice for emus as widely available bt gamepad
Oct 09 23:50:54 <pupnik> yeah
Oct 09 23:51:22 <Tb0n3> oh god, kanye west mutilated Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
Oct 09 23:51:26 <Tb0n3> that asshole
Oct 09 23:52:06 <Robot101> yeah it sucks
Oct 09 23:52:16 <Tb0n3> <3 daft punk
Oct 09 23:53:25 <Tb0n3> I forgot why I hated ubuntu
Oct 09 23:53:27 <Tb0n3> I remember now
Oct 09 23:55:26 <Tb0n3> shit sucks
Oct 09 23:58:31 <Tb0n3> getting k3b to burn a debian disk
Oct 10 00:01:10 <Jiten> Tb0n3: why do you hate ubuntu then?
Oct 10 00:07:11 <pupnik> didn't know the sega master system was so much better than the NES
Oct 10 00:18:46 <pupnik> darn emus need a high resolution timer
Oct 10 00:26:00 <pupnik> #define rdtsc(val) __asm__ __volatile__ ("rdtsc" : "=A" (val))
Oct 10 00:37:32 <Tb0n3> oh shit, just watched a samurai cut an arrow in half, midflight when aimed at his heart
Oct 10 00:42:04 * pupnik ponders using gettimeofday(&tv, 0);
Oct 10 00:42:09 <madewokherd`> can anyone recommend a client for the n770? (or am I in the wrong place for this?)
Oct 10 00:42:12 <madewokherd`> er, irc client
Oct 10 00:42:21 <pupnik> xchat, gaim, irssi
Oct 10 00:42:31 <madewokherd`> I'm told xchat doesn't work
Oct 10 00:42:49 <pupnik> worked for me... but i use bluetooth keyboard
Oct 10 00:43:47 <gla55> i had hard time at some point finding a deb for it for then current it.. but that was ages ago
Oct 10 00:46:36 <|R> http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/
Oct 10 00:53:31 <pupnik> hmm looks like gettimeofday might be close enough for jazz
Oct 10 00:53:40 <pupnik> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/osdep/timer-lx.c?root=mplayer&rev=82&view=markup
Oct 10 00:59:55 <Tb0n3> I don't know how to use vi
Oct 10 00:59:56 <Tb0n3> :(
Oct 10 01:02:25 <[31d1]> _Monkey: vi?
Oct 10 01:02:26 <_Monkey> vi is scarry to me
Oct 10 01:38:53 <Tb0n3> god damn
Oct 10 01:39:09 <Tb0n3> firefox is being faggoty
Oct 10 01:39:20 <Tb0n3> also ubuntu
Oct 10 01:42:39 <|R> does anyone know if the blueZ audio support added in chinook (4.0) means that we can have bluetooth headsets?
Oct 10 01:48:07 <pupnik> seems some people were working on that
Oct 10 01:50:54 <zerojay> Apparently, a freshly compiled version of Bluez would give you that *right now*.
Oct 10 02:42:00 <|R> argh wtf, rebooted and now wifi is dead
Oct 10 02:43:11 <|R> (after kismet crashed and i rebooted)
Oct 10 02:50:40 <|R> ah fiew, removing the battery worked
Oct 10 02:50:43 <|R> wifi is back ;)
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